Arachne DOS Coders1 Message Board ,----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | DOS Coders1 Message Board | | [ For the Operational discussions of the Arachne C Coders ] | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Nov 15, 2003 - 7:10:35 pm | | gregy> | now...see if this works.... | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Nov 15, 2003 - 7:11:40 pm | | gregy> | ..hmmm...good enough...still need to clean up the "Archive" section | down below...but...leave something to do tomorrow... | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Nov 15, 2003 - 7:27:56 pm | | gregy> | hmmm....I'd swear that I just set the "xchaos1.gif" permissions.... | ...he he...finger must have slipped... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Nov 15, 2003 - 7:37:44 pm | | gregy> | Ahhhh....that's got it....should be good for go.... | | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Nov 16, 2003 - 5:25:06 pm | | Ray> | Hi Gregy, | Ά Έ ! | Here goes! | | Sheesh, I like this already. | | ============================================================================Š| | Sun, Nov 16, 2003 - 5:51:08 pm | | gregy> | hmmm...THAT was quick..!!!.... | ... | Well...if you think you ProgrammersGroup can make use of it...then | just notify them by private email (and please tell them to keep it | quiet)...and you guys can work away quietly here.. | ... | I will check thru (but will not post) about once per day....and | If you have anything you want to say to me.....I'll see it then... | ...or....you can always private email me... | ... | ...but...if you do private email me...please put [a4dos-yourfirstname] | first in the SUBJECT line.....I'm getting so many spams, I might miss | it when I scan down the list, before deleting them. | | | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Nov 18, 2003 - 6:54:07 pm | | Ray> | Hmmm no one using this yet ... must nag. | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Nov 18, 2003 - 7:17:43 pm | | Ray> | Any coders out there yet? | | FWIW, I noticed in main.c an "ifdef JAVASCRIPT" !!!! | Michaelhimself was obviously planning on incorporating this!!! | As far as I'm concerned that ends any thought that it can't or | shouldn't be done. | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Nov 18, 2003 - 7:49:57 pm | | gregy> | Ray...I haven't yet sent the URL to those 5 people....well..I'd | apologize, but it's only 5 minutes ago that I promised you I'd do | that.... | ... | I won't post here, once you guys get collected here... | .. | FWIW...yes Michael was gonna do javascript..I don't know how he was | gonna do it... | ... | I have my own ideas on how is HAS to be done....and I asked some | investigative questions on the AList, about two months ago, rightŠ| after | it was implemented.... | ... | I won't go into it here and now.. | ... | I will, post haste, go send those five emails...with this URL... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Nov 18, 2003 - 9:07:54 pm | | gregy> | Sent... | | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Nov 19, 2003 - 5:46:12 am | | mht> | Hello! | So, if we have a coders' board... can I get the cleaned sources of | wwwman? I think this is what I should start with: it's relatively | small, contains assembler portions and some other system dependent | things that I am quite familiar with (some of them are not | implemented in the right way). | | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Nov 19, 2003 - 4:33:25 pm | | ray> | Michal, | | I emailed you the cleaned wwwman last week (didn't I?) I wanted | your oppinion on style and editing policy. | | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Nov 19, 2003 - 5:56:27 pm | | gregy> | Okay...Michal...welcome...this is the board for you Coders....I invited | Cristof, Bastiaan, and Joerg and Cristian Burneci. They should also | be checking in here soon. | ... | I will not be posting to this message board....it is strictly for you | guys....BUT...I will monitor it, for any requests to me. However... | ... | I have a MISCellaneous Message Board where you can ALWAYS post to me, | and be sure I check in there several times per day: |Š| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/brd/mindex.php | | You can post to me, here, but I might not see it until the next day... | ...if you post to my MISC...I will almost always see it the same day. | | I am also talking to Joe daSilva about his coming onto this Coders' | Message Board, and discussing this idea he posted to the list of | loading DPMI in config.sys.....if we can do this....then we might | want to future investigate using this idea to add javascript and SSL | support to Arachne..... | ... | This is not a NOW priority...so Joe and I will discuss this elsewhere, | until you guys are ready to start thinking about those two things. | | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Nov 19, 2003 - 5:57:27 pm | | gregy> | Ray...I think you said you mailed the cleaned WWWMAN to Bastiaan, for | him to upload to his website.. | | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Nov 20, 2003 - 11:03:57 am | | mht> | Ray, | | Thanks for wwwman sources. You asked for my opinion about the style. | | I do not like tab sizes other than 8, because not all editors can | handle it, and because you have to re-configure the editor in order | to get proper spacing. Personally, I don't use tabs at all, but | I'm not a purist. | | I'm unsure about the indentation style. I prefer 2 (max. 4) spaces | indent, because it is enough to emphasize code structure (the | 1-space indent used throughout CORE sources isn't satisfactory on | an 80-column display), and doesn't produce enormously right-shifted | lines in deeply nested code. Where to put braces it's another matter | of taste, the most important is that only one style is used in given | project. My personal preference is something like that (I wonder | if there's a way to enter HTML PRE tag?): | | [pre] | /* | A trivial example: Find the index of the smallest element in byte array. | On entry: | n positive, size of the array | *t the array | On exit: | Š| Returns: | the index of the smallest element, or -1 if n nonpositive | */ | int minbyte(int n, unsigned char *t) | { | int i = 0; | int p = MAXINT; | int k, kk; | //separate variables from code | if (n <= 0) | return -1; //single instruction | else | { //braced block | while (i < n) | { | if (t[i] < p) | { | p = t[i]; k = i; | } | i++; | } | return k; | } | } | [/pre] | | Another thing that, I think, makes source more readable, is an | empty line between two functions (well, there should also be a | comment on function's purpose and arguments) and between variable | declarations and executable statements (may a bit difficult in C | since they can be intermixed and joined); in Pascal VAR and BEGIN | clearly separate these sections. | | Assembler insertions formatting is unimportant, because they will | be thrown into separate .ASM files anyway. | | I'd like to throw away all commented out bad code and move all | 'historical' notes to the beginning of the file; the main file | should be splitted into several smaller modules, I think. | | | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Nov 20, 2003 - 11:07:37 am | | mht> | Sorry for the above. The message board demolished my C source | formatting. See private message. | | Greg, can you do something about that? Format all posts as | 
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? | | | ============================================================================Š| | Thu, Nov 20, 2003 - 6:06:48 pm | | gregy> | Michal....I will check and see what I can do about the HTML formatting | on this board's posts. Can you live with it for a little while...?? | ...I have to confess that I'm a slow, lousy HTML coder.... | ... | I'll give you an answer by Sunday. I'm gonna hafta consult with Jake. | ..he's our resident HTML expert.... | | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Nov 20, 2003 - 6:28:40 pm | | gregy> | Michal....this problem with the HTML posting is a "far off topic" | subject for this board...so....let us not jam this board up with any | testing....so.....go to my TEST board: | | http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/brd/test/tindex.php | | Post something/anything that will illustrate what you are trying to | post here, and that will be over there on that board for Jake and I | to look at and tinker with.. | | | | ============================================================================ | | Fri, Nov 21, 2003 - 5:55:29 pm | | ray> | Michal, | | Speaking of coding style, what about this. | | Michael has many different styles of variables: | | char needredraw | char html_source | | and Functions like DeleteFromCache(); | | His global variables are almost all capitalized, which is good, | but what do you say about the others? Me, I like: | | int ThisIsAVariableName style because it is easier to read. | What do you think? | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Nov 22, 2003 - 6:50:54 am |Š| mht> | Difficult question... Some people say that mixed case is ugly and | underscores are better in multi-word names. I don't know ;-) | Anyway, both are a bit more readable than multi-word all-lowercase, | although there seems to be a tradition to use the latter: see | Borland C library functions -- in Pascal there is, for example, | SetFillStyle and in C it is called setfillstyle. | What about short names of local variables, like loop counter 'i'? | I think that 'I' would be less readable. Maybe then, mixed case | for multi-word identifiers, lowercase for local short names? | And what about constants? All uppercase? And types? | | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Nov 22, 2003 - 9:15:32 am | | gregy> | I am working on the "preserve whitespace" problem. That will make it | possible for you all to post examples of coding style, etc. | ...ALSO... | For exchanging complete code-files, or parts of code-files, rather | than putting the whole post into this MessageBoard, I can suggest | ....(1) Each Coder make a /SRCWRK/subdirectory on his own personal | ........website, where he can expose/make-available files for his | ........fellow-coders, or; | ....(2) I can make subdirectories for each Coder, just behind this | ........MessageBoard, like this: | ............/adev/michal/ | ............/adev/ray/ | ............/adev/whomever/ | .. | Your preferences.....??? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Nov 22, 2003 - 12:00:43 pm | | mht> | The most convenient would be a place where files can be uploaded | by FTP and downloaded with FTP or HTTP (this doesn't matter). | I can setup a site at my ISP's, I have contract for 120 Mbytes | of mailbox + www (the cheapest one) which I never used due to | lack of time and invention ;-) Of course, the only person who can | upload files there is me, as the contract prohibits giving the | password away. | | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Nov 22, 2003 - 6:48:17 pm |Š| gregy> | Michal, et al....I don't have that restriction.....just the one | restriction that I want ONLY you guys to know my own password for | this site. | | It might be most convenient for each Coder to have his working | directories on his own site, and expose them for other Coders to | download/look at. | | But...if you guys want...I will set up directories for each Coder, | right here....but...as I said....my password is strictly YOUR secret. | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Nov 22, 2003 - 6:49:42 pm | | ray> | oops, lost my first post (greg, do you have to always use a "nick") | Joerg already has an upload site ready, but I can't figure out how | to get on. Michal, can you send me a config file for ftp-wiz so | I can see what to use for 'gateway'? Or is there a better FTP | program that I can use? | | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Nov 22, 2003 - 7:59:58 pm | | gregy> | ray....yes...you must enter a NICK....or your post will just disappear. | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Nov 23, 2003 - 10:45:42 am | | mht> | For FTP uploads, I use either built-in Arachne FTP (for single HTML | file that I'm editing) or command line NCSA PC DOS FTP client. | | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Nov 23, 2003 - 4:31:14 pm | | gregy> | For bulk-loading my website pages (and message boards) I use WS_FTP Lite | ...but for one or two files...I use built-in ArachneFTP..with...this | ...username:password@ftp.hi-line.net ....this puts me right into my | initial root directory...from there I can give you a quick-map down | to your own upload directories... | ..Š| If you cannot upload to your own website pages (the preferred thing) | then I can give you my own username/password, and you can upload here. | .. | PS...I will try to implement the "preserve whitespace" fix, here, by | tomorrow....it is too cold in my front room to work at the computer | at night... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Nov 24, 2003 - 10:45:16 pm | | gregy> | For posting this post, I first typed up this post in my tiny | editor, and saved it to F:\TEST.BAT. | | Then I came to this /adev/advindex.php board, then: | 1. Entered my NICK | 2. Clicked my cursor down into the message box | 3. Pressed F3, deleted "QUICKPAD.TXT" and typed in "F:\TEST.BAT" | then pressed ENTER, and the whole text of TEST.BAT was | inserted into the message box. | 4. Clicked SEND/REFRESH and the message was posted to this board | | This line has no indentation | This line is indented 2 spaces | This line is indented 4 spaces | This line is indented 8 spaces | This line is indented 1 TAB (==8spaces in my editor) | This line is indented 6 spaces | This line is indented 4 spaces | This line is indented 2 spaces | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Nov 24, 2003 - 10:47:53 pm | | gregy> | As you can see,...Glenn's fix (which he got help from Jake, originally | Clarance Verge's idea) works to preserve indentations made by entering | "spaces"....however...it does not expand TABs...therefore...you will | need to have your editor save your files "with TABs expanded"...or... | just never use TABs... | | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Nov 24, 2003 - 10:52:34 pm | | gregy> | So....a big THANKS to GlennMcC for his "Insta-fix"...... | ...now...I'll leave you guys alone. If you need me to do something, | you can post a specific post to me....and I will give you a reply | post on my MISC Message Board:Š| | http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/brd/misc/mindex.php | | That will keep the noise level down, in here. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Nov 27, 2003 - 9:21:57 am | | ray> | Michal, | | Got another letter from Bernie, he says to delete CLEMTEST, CLEMENTINE, | CLEMGLUE etc .... there gone! | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Nov 30, 2003 - 9:36:50 pm | | moi> | Guys, | | Maybe you're not at that point yet?? Or maybe you've found another | place for FTP exchanging of src and upgrade notes etc | | However, I have managed to secure -- strictly for the dev team -- high | speed access high speed storage NO limits as to traffice volume up or | down. Since it is a private server there are a few limits ... min speed | on modem 56.6 no more than one guy on at a time if possible I've | got some sub directories set up, if you want more we have full | permissions *inside* the arachne folder. Might have to find a new sight | if things start duping & getting bloated ... we only have access to a | *mere* 50 Gigabytes of storage space. NO PERSONAL FILE NO MP3 CRAP | | Get the picture? If you want it, let me know. I'll provide direct | IP username password... | | If you don't want to take advantage of very high speed direct access | with no one having to worry about exceeding the max dl/ul limits of an | ISP let me know. The guy can then free up the space & bandwidth for | other people. | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Nov 30, 2003 - 9:37:41 pm | | moi> | sorry ... got hangup 1st time, reinserted textarea.tmp but forgot | e-dress | | | ============================================================================Š| | Sun, Nov 30, 2003 - 9:39:45 pm | | moi> | Hey ... why didn't e-dress show up?? | | l.d.best@go-concepts.com | | Just to keep the ftp site from being totally empty, I did upload the | most recent src & txt from bear's site. If you want them removed so we | don't run outta room lemme gno | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Nov 30, 2003 - 9:50:02 pm | | gregy> | moi.....welcome....and your email DID...appear...it's under your nick | ...just like on the old AQC..... | | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Nov 30, 2003 - 10:04:18 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Yeah, I got a msg. from L.D. about that, sounds great. But theres | bad news ... I've been working so hard I've given myself repetitive | strain injury ... my right arm is useless ... typing this with one hand. | please contact l.d. for me, tell her thanks, and do what you have to do | with it ... hope this dosent last, or my cleaning will come to an | abrupt end. | | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Dec 01, 2003 - 2:39:45 am | | gregy> | I don't like to hear that, Ray.....I'm not gonna try to diagnose, or | prescribe, either.....you know what's going on, and what you need to | do to mitigate that. | ... | hmmm....I'll get back to you later today, about what you can do with | what you already have cleaned...I may have you email-attach it to me, | then upload it where L.D. can grab it and she can then upload it to | that site she has gotten set up....but.....just hang loose, until I | get back to you.... | | | | ============================================================================ |Š| Mon, Dec 01, 2003 - 2:57:58 am | | moi> | | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Dec 01, 2003 - 4:23:47 pm | | glennmcc> | On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:55:00 +1100, Paul Edwards wrote: | | >> You will need a copy of Borland C/C++ v3.1 to do the compile. | | > I have that already. But there is no makefile or batch | > file and when I tried to compile various files I got a | > lot of errors. So can you tell me what the procedure is? | | Open nokey.prj and then choose to 'build all' | | In just a couple of minutes you'll have nokey.exe which | must then be renamed to core.exe | | Here's the pair of batch files I use to do it. | | --- arabcgpl.bat --- | @echo off | e: | cd \arachne\asrc\asrc173.gpl | bc.exe nokey.prj | call nokeyexe.bat | c: | ________________________ | | --- nokeyexe.bat --- | markexe.exe nokey.exe 181000 | xcopy /f nokey.exe c:\arachne\core.exe | ____________________________________________ | | There you go.... done. | | ( CCed to the message boards) | | -- | Glenn | http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/ | | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Dec 02, 2003 - 5:17:14 pm | | ray>Š| gregy, | | Doctor says just take it easy (so I will). | Don't want to upload anything till I'm done since I've got alot | of personal notes throughout that must be removed first. Will send | it all to you if I die though ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Dec 02, 2003 - 6:03:04 pm | | moi> | | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Dec 02, 2003 - 6:18:50 pm | | moi> | Ray, Gregy, or someone ... I cannot test to see if the FTP site will | work with Arachne by simply changing login (username/password) in cfg | ... nor can I test to see if CUTE FTP works (it surely should!) ... | because I'm behind tooooooo many routers/firewalls. | | This system has refused to accept my message twice so far ... trying one | more time then I split it into smaller pieces. arghhhhhh | | This FTP present is too good to pass up, if youse guyz can connect. The | storage is enough for each and every developer on the team (and more to | come) to back up all their work on. | | The original 1GByte of available storage has been increased to 50GB !!! | | The screening for modem speed will now allow modems as slow as 14.4 to | connect!!! | | Would someone please contact me to get the full info, so the available | free storage no limits on transfers up or down direct IP dedicated shell | account can be tested??!!! | | Face it -- none of us could buy what is being offered free. It's an | opportunity to make certain none of the Arachne work gets lost. | | If any of you have problems with creating subdirectories or moving | things around as updates go up, I can do that for you. (I am FORCED to | used dozerwarez to FTP now .. so have software that allows me | to do everything the system owner is allowing us to do.) | | And Ray ... you don't have my permission to die, so forget it!! | | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 03, 2003 - 3:09:44 pm |Š| ray> | Michal, | | go for it with WWWMAN! | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Dec 04, 2003 - 12:44:40 am | | Joe> | Yes, this seems a good offer, however will this keep or might it vanish | in a couple of years? Anyway, I have no trouble downloading FTP stuff, | uploading is rather more complicated, but not impossible (FWIW). Note | that MP originally made FTP space available at "arachne.cz" for this GPL | work : 'I have created FTP account "arachne-dist" with password "team" at | "arachne.cz". The rest is up to you!' Last time I checked, this account | was still there, so might be useful as a backup FTP site, at least. | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Dec 04, 2003 - 1:55:40 am | | gregy> | Michal....I am not counting myself as one of the "ArachneCoders" so | I do not need access to that FTP account, unless Ray, or someone wants | me to FTP upload for them... | ... | FWIW....for development work...I use WS_FTP Lite...on Win3.1 to do all | my site/multiple uploads......I find it easier than ArachneFTPupload. | ... | I will talk to L.D. and see if she thinks I should have the access to | that upload site.. | ... | Joe....let us keep the GPL-arachne.cz account as a temporary backup.. | ...from what Michael P. said to Glenn....he may make all his "Arachne | Pages, etc" into a museum....and that may mean that the GPL-account | will disappear... | ... | This one L.D. set up...seems like a good possibility.. | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Dec 04, 2003 - 1:57:49 am | | gregy> | Michal...did you say that you finally were able to access this new | FTP upload site, that L.D. set up....??? | ... | I haven't had a reply from L.D. yet....so...I haven't the access info, | so I can check it out....but will do so at the earliest... | ... |Š| | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Dec 04, 2003 - 5:25:55 pm | | moi> | | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Dec 07, 2003 - 9:21:22 pm | | ray> | What do you make of this: In 'html256c.c' there is a function | on line 153, called 'presspal0' that is defined to do nothing. | The same function is redefined on line 313 ... again, to do nothing. | | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Dec 08, 2003 - 5:36:29 am | | gregy> | "presspal0"...defined to do nothing....hmmm...somekind of a "blindstub" | put in for purposes of future expansion...??? | ... | Probably, since it now does nothing, you should leave it in there | until we REALLY determine what its purpose is....or understand the code | enough to be REALLY sure we can just delete it... | | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Dec 08, 2003 - 4:02:24 pm | | Ray> | Gregy, yeah, don't worry about that -- no code will be deleted at this | point. After the first clean .exe's will be guaranteed to be identical. | | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Dec 08, 2003 - 6:19:46 pm | | gregy> | Ray...hmmm...he he he...wasn't "worrying" about that...it was just a | mild suggestion,.....from one of the "non-coders"..... | ... | I'm trying to coordinate with moi(L.D.) to checkout/test that FTP | upload site she has tentatively arranged. I will get back to all | of you, if/when I do.. | | | | ============================================================================Š| | Mon, Dec 08, 2003 - 6:33:41 pm | | gregy> | Also...Ray, Michal, Joe, any other coders.....NOTE...!!! ...take it | easy....I KNOW everyone on the List(s) is bugging you for "improve | this"..."is anyone even looking at that"...."etc"...etc....but...you | all have jobs, and other work to do.....just keep on working toward | our FIRST primary goal.....to get the code cleaned, and in the | process to get some familiarity with how it is laid out, and what it | does. | I don't (and I'm sure the other SENSIBLE Arachne community members | also do NOT) expect immediate completion of even this cleaning | process. So, just work on it as you can....and do NOT panic..!!! | ...he he he..... | | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 10, 2003 - 10:52:22 am | | mht> | [FTP from behind a firewall] | You may need to perform data transfers in so-called passive mode. | Many ftp clients do not have PASSIVE command. Linux ftp clients | are, on average, better than DOS/Win ones and should have it. | But Web browsers always enter passive mode for FTP transfers, | so Arachne should(?) be able to upload. | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 10, 2003 - 4:17:11 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | So far I'm alone in the cleaning department, but Michal has better | things to do right now anyway ... but it is apropriate for folks to | be concerned that I don't change the fuctionality of the program, so | there's no problem with your mentioning it. A while back, changes | in the .exe started showing up for no reason that I could think of, | but Michal showed me what the problem was, so we're all OK now. | | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Dec 14, 2003 - 4:52:18 pm | | gregy> | okay....for my curiosity...what was happening...???....I ask because, | as soon as I get settled for the winter....I will start compiling | with each new-clean module, to "smoke test" your work.... | ... | ...and...whatever you did, is something I will probably do, also.. | ...Š| ...so...clue me in, before I stumble around in the dark and "bark | my shins"...... | ... | ...also...I'm not on that new list.....I am ONLY on coollist....(for | just monitoring, mostly)....and...I am here, on my message boards.. | .. | ...so....you guys can ALWAYS reach me here.... | ... | L.D. and I are getting a directory sturcture together...and will get | that FTP site set up....and I've also decided to mirror it, here... | ..so...by the end of next week, we will give you the skinny on the | whole thing... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Dec 15, 2003 - 1:53:20 am | | gregy> | et al,....I set up an FTP upload directory for the CODERs...I only | created directories for Michal and Ray, so far....I'll create dirs | for any others...as needed... | .. | http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/arachne/ | | will get you into the structure...then... | /CORE/BASE0/ | /BASE1/NICHAL/ | /RAY/ | | Ray already sent me HTML.C and it's in his CORE/BASE1/directory | (he said he'd rather have me upload for him)...if any of the | rest of you want me to, I'll do it....otherwise, Michal and anyone | else who is doing codework....email me privately with [a4dos-yourname] | in the SUBJECT line...and I'll give you my personal Username/Password | so you can upload for yourselves. | ... | This will be temporary, until L.D.'s free server owner can get to | his site (he hasta shovel about 3 feet of snow) and reset the | permissions, etc)... | When that site is ready...I will transfer over all that we have here, | and after that, I will copy files from that site to this one as a | mirror... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Dec 15, 2003 - 1:58:26 am | | gregy> | For what it's worth.....Joe's YahooGroups list is probably a very | good place for the coders, etc to work....but...for exposing the codeŠ| to the rest of the community and the public....it should be on a site | that they can HTTP download it from....instead of on a site where | they have to join up with Yahoo to get/see it... | ... | ...and...YahooGroups only allows HTTP upload to your message area... | and only some of the Windoze-type bloat-wowzers can do that...(I | know, I know...even my little IE3.03d can...but...some people think | THAT is a Blowzer.......)... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Dec 15, 2003 - 4:18:00 pm | | Joe> | Yep, agree about needing a site where everyone can download. However, | I figure that those who are able and willing to build the code, are | also able and willing to sign-up with the Development List. The rest | are only interested in downloading ready-to-run stuff. | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Dec 15, 2003 - 7:54:01 pm | | ray> | Oh, gregy, I forgot to tell you! When you start to compile the code | I send you, contact me privately; there is something you need to know. | All my cleaned code is tested and absolutely guaranteed to be unchanged | from the original (as far as final .exe goes) except for one thing which | is rather hard to explain ... it results in the final .exe being | different from the original but only due to the line numbers | that are ... never mind, I'll explain latter. | | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Dec 16, 2003 - 2:34:38 am | | gregy> | okay...Ray...I'll do that...not scheduled myself to begin that "module | testing" until after NewYears.... | ... | ..and....your email attachments of the rest of your code...didn't | come along.....as I said in my email reply... | ... | Once we get our procedure down pat (just about now, I guess)...I'll | give you a separate email to send those to....so they don't get | hung up in the overload on that current email address.. | | | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Dec 16, 2003 - 2:45:11 am Š| | gregy> | Joe...I'll set your directories up, tonight/tomorrow....as per my | email reply....and will you please tell me what FTP client you will | be using to upload with...??? | ... | FWIW...I want to know what works...I know I can get Arachne into the | site FTP...but have never used him for uploading....I always use the | excellent WS_FTPLite/Win3.1 (I'm not a purest....it's MY "industry | standard".........)... | ..so...whatever else you guys use...I will want to know...just for | my curiosity.. | ... | BTW2....I will put a text file in /ARACHNE/giving the directory | structure, explaining what is what.... | ...for...now... | Base0 is our inherited code (I haven't stuck it there, since it's | available elsewhere, and just a spacewaster on this little 10Mbyte | site).... | Base1 is our code that is being initially cleaned. Once we get the | initial cleaning done... | Base2 will be our next step of cleaning/sprucing.. | Base3 may be used for a further cleaning/sprucing stage....but...I | think, rather, it will be where we start rolling in the small new | functionality (glennmcc's AuthenticatedSMTP, Michal's improved | WWWMAN, etc) and any other immediate enhancements...then we will | roll it over into Base174...which will be the way we number it from | now on.... | L.D. and I are sorting this out, and will come to you for you inputs | and comments...'til we get it finalized.. | ... | for right now....we have a structure that is basic, that we can expand | and modify...and that we can mirror fairly easily... | ... | ...and...(I hope) doesn't, yet...confuse you guys... | | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Dec 16, 2003 - 2:47:18 am | | gregy> | ...and...I am monitoring your YahooList...just for lurking.....but | will not clutter that up with posts...which is one prime reason why | I'm not joining... | ... | You guys all know how to get ahold of me for anything important.. | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Dec 16, 2003 - 6:47:26 am | | glennmcc>Š| re: roll it over into Base174...which will be the way we number it from | | No, no, no........ | | All 'even' numbers are strickly forbidden. | | Even numbers belong to Michael Polak. | | All odd numbers are GPLed | | My current version is 1.75;GPL | | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Dec 16, 2003 - 4:49:44 pm | | ray> | Off topic but still important: | | L.D. didn't really say that to Juha did she? | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Dec 16, 2003 - 9:34:22 pm | | gregy> | he he he...OT or not.....yes...she got pissed off.....and when L.D. | gets thataway...she sometimes explodes.......actually.. | she didn't "say" it....Juha interpreted it....but L.D. said, "FOAD" | ... | ... | Juha is just going to need to get used to not pushing....especially | in the Arachne community....some of this bunch will fire off when | their fuse is lit....... | ... | What I do (you've probably noticed) when someone is BOUND and | determined that they're gonna convince me they're right...is just | drop out of the discussion and ignore them, until they go on to | something else.... | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Dec 16, 2003 - 9:37:10 pm | | gregy> | BTW....I set up Joe's directories....and Michal's are already set up, | right beside yours...... | ...and... | When Joe replies to my latest email...I will either send him a | formatted URL string that he can paste into Arachne...or....just | send him the Username:Password combination... | ...Š| BTW...BTW...BTW....see next post... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Dec 16, 2003 - 9:42:24 pm | | gregy> | Ray, Joe, Michal are the SUPERVISOR-coders....you decide who you want | to give upload privileges to. Then you send me their name/email addy | and I will communicate with them and set up their directories and send | them the link to use for upload. | ... | I ask that NO one: | 1. Set up any directories | 2. Give the Username:Password combination to anyone else | 3. Ever delete files (with Arachne I don't think this is possible) | | Just to keep things from getting confused up there on that/those | UploadSites..... | | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Dec 16, 2003 - 10:47:38 pm | | Joe> | Gregy, To answer your FTP query, as I explained several days ago, FTP | uploading is difficult for me, as I am sitting behind a firewall when | connected via LAN (via ISDN to Internet, I believe). Otherwise, I have | to use my dial-up account and, I guess, use Arachne for FTP uploading, | although I must confess my only dealings with FTP have been via WEB | clients (which is also why FTP downloading is easy enough). I hope that | makes sense, that's why it is much easier for me to HTTP upload to the | file area of Yahoo Groups, which anyone can download from, using any | WEB client (including Arachne:-), and a username and password of their | own choosing (I presume anonymous access to the FTP by the public won't | be possible). BTW, don't forget to roll-in my "Online Timer with BOOTP" | fix (downloadable from Yahoo Groups) . | | Glenn, thanks for explaining that 1.75 business, that's something I've | been wondering about. | | Ray, I think I'm thinking what you're thinking ... | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 17, 2003 - 10:28:33 am | | mht> | So, what do we do with the other sources? Some cleaning is definitely | needed. There are also a lot of Czech comments to translate, at least | in LOPIF graphic library C files; assembler sources have mostly English | comments, but they occur in rather modest number, anyway.Š| Where do we put the files for download in its current condition, to | complete GNU GPL requirements for Arachne? | (BTW, all are under GNU LGPL -- license text is included -- except the | UNARJ code used in APM which has its own open source license.) | | | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 17, 2003 - 4:02:37 pm | | ray> | | | ... so we are/will be OK for *formal* GPL? | I will eventualy clean everything, but it's going to take me at least | another month or two just for core. | | BTW, no one gave me any feed-back on 'html.c' ... I'd like to know | what you guys think of my style, and whether or not you'd like | anything done differently. | | | | ... just the same, LD should behave better ... she is a lady, after | all. | | Glenn, | | This yahoo/cookie stuff: This is obviously so simple that you | would have tried it, but in 'http.c' we have "char cookiestr[2 * | IE_MAXLEN]" and in 'ie.h' IE_MAXLEN is == to 800 ... so surely | that's long enough for a yahoo cookie?? | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 17, 2003 - 4:10:19 pm | | ray> | Joe, | | ... still can't download your fix from yahoo ... get | "f4.grp.yahoofs.com, port 80" msg. in the status line, but then the | 'can't open' msg from Arachne :( | | BTW, if you have trouble with FTP from your machine, why not just | do what I do ... email everything to gregy and let *him* worry about | it ... :-) | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 17, 2003 - 9:51:06 pm | | Joe> | Ray,Š| | Could you save the Yahoo Groups web page, as you see it at your end, just | before the "click and I get f4.grp..." stuff and e-mail it to me? You | should be able to do this by pressing F2, I think. I'd like to see what | is going on with that, I and quite a few others don't get this problem. | | The cookie size problem isn't a quick fix, as Glenn and Glenn spent a | month trying to resolve it a while back. And no, 800 bytes is not long | enough for cookies, if you saw my post on freelists recently, RFC-2109 | says they can be up to 4096 bytes! :-( | | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 17, 2003 - 9:53:52 pm | | Joe> | Oh, I forgot to mention ... I do intend, if Gregy doesn't mind, to e-mail | him any stuff I want to put up on the FTP (Gregy, do you want me to send | you a copy of my "Online timer" fix?). | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 17, 2003 - 10:03:54 pm | | Joe> | Finally, re. code comment translations, cce.zizkov@volny.cz seemed to | be doing this. If someone knows him/her, they might like to contact | him/her to ensure this get incorporated into the code, otherwise I will. | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Dec 18, 2003 - 10:46:53 am | | mht> | | Ask a lawyer who fully understands GPL ;-) I don't. | I only know that we are closer to formal GPL compliance than we were. | | | I contacted Christof already and I'm waiting for his reply. | | | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Dec 18, 2003 - 10:52:39 am | | mht> | Gregy, | Could you send my upload username and password | to mht AT bttr-software DOT de? | | | ============================================================================Š| | Thu, Dec 18, 2003 - 8:37:33 pm | | ray> | Joe, | | I didn't suppose the cookie thing would be that simple, just thought | I'd ask. Will do with the yahoodownload thing -- as you say, there | are many who don't have the problem so something's amiss. | | I'm in touch with Christof and as he translates I'm incorporating | his work into the cleaned code, but he seems to insist on doing things | the slow way. On the other hand, his translating is quite obviously | *very* carefully done. | | ============================================================================ | | Fri, Dec 19, 2003 - 4:05:21 am | | gregy> | Ray..Re: Cristof....yes...better slow-than-sloppy.....and...as I must | ask your patience with me (I'm sometimes offline for a day or two).. | ..and you are all kind enough to grant that....maybe we should all be | patient with each other, too... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Fri, Dec 19, 2003 - 4:12:38 am | | gregy> | Joe, I can send you the formatted string for Arachne...but...I'm not | having much luck getting Arachne to work....(I'm consulting the expert | - Glenn........)..... | ... | Re: Your explanation of your firewall/router setup...maybe it's more | easy if you HTTP upload your stuff to ArachneDevelopment files area | ...I can grab it and FTPupload to my site, myself...I have WS_FTP on | my OS2/Win3.1 box, and it goes up "automagically".... | | | ============================================================================ | | Fri, Dec 19, 2003 - 4:17:49 am | | gregy> | Michal....I just sent you an email, with my Username:Password | formatted string, and all the rest of the URL address, rolled into | one..... | | | ============================================================================ | | Fri, Dec 19, 2003 - 4:36:41 am Š| | gregy> | Ray....I just uploaded your six(6) files in that package you emailed | me....you can d/l check them against your files, but I think that's | not necessary, unless someone has a problem with a specific file... | ..since we verified that my WS_FTP uploaded your HTML.C correctly... | .. | To ALL:....Ray has seven(7) files in his /core/base1/ray/directory | ...you can HTTP d/l them from: | | http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/arachne/core/base1/ray/ | | | | | ============================================================================ | | Fri, Dec 19, 2003 - 4:42:09 am | | gregy> | Joe....I won't email you your FTPUpload string, until I get Arachne | straightened out on upload....and....if the | Joe-to-ADevListFilesArea-togregy-toFTPupload | procedure works...then you won't need to do anything other than http | upload them to you ArachneDevelopmentList files area, and I'll d/l | them and FTPupload them to you FTP directory, myself.. | ... | For right, now...that's probably the easiest.....or...alternatively.. | email-attach them zipped (pkzip or compatible, please) to me....which | ever is easiest....if you email-attach...please include [yourname] | at the start of your SUBJECT line, so I can see them in the spam list | if they get blocked by Postini... | | | ============================================================================ | | Fri, Dec 19, 2003 - 4:46:33 am | | gregy> | QUESTION....our initial code cleaning seems to be coming along...and.. | we seem to be okay on the legal GPL aspects of CORE.EXE, INSIGHT.EXE | and WWWMAN.EXE....these are the main components of Arachne, and the | rest of the package can be handled more-or-less off to the side... | ...therefore....would you like me to start getting us set up for a | Sourceforge site, just for these three components......???? | ... | I do not ever just jump into something, so it will take me a little | checking, and chatting....and planning....so....it you want, I can | start that preliminary work now... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Dec 21, 2003 - 12:45:27 pm Š| | ray> | gregy, | | As far as sourceforge goes, I'm neutral ... others know about this | stuff, so I'll say nothing. | | Michal, | | Can you look at 'ima.h' for me? ... There is a huge block of commented | out code in the middle of it that is full of comments in czech -- | I don't want to send it to Christof if it's deletable anyway :-) If | you could just delete any garbage and send the rest to me I'd | be grateful. | | OH, back to code style questions: | | What do you guys think of " if (xxx) " vs. " if(xxx) "? | | Myself if prefer the latter. In the code it's mostly the latter, | but some of the former. I'm changing everyting to the latter, but | if there is a preference for the former I'll use it. | | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Dec 21, 2003 - 4:49:16 pm | | gregy> | Ray...yeah...I'm neutral, sort of....at least, for now...we're not | trying to be a "bigtime banana-coding enterprise"....just a simple | code-cleaning operation.... | ... | .. | I'll check into it, so that if the time comes, we don't hafta do a | complete research then.... | | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Dec 21, 2003 - 6:18:22 pm | | ray> | gregy, | | thinking ahead will get you into nothing but trouble . | | BTW, if you haven't done so already, hows about uploading | Borland 3.1 and the 386+ core.exe to your site? | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Dec 21, 2003 - 6:35:54 pm | | gregy>Š| well...that's true...but...at 62..my life's been FULLLLLL of trouble.. | ...so....... | .. | RE: The Borland 3.1 will overfill my site...I think....but..I'll | find an alternate URL for it...I notice that quite a few people have | been asking for links to it....over on Joe's ArachneDevelopmentList, | etc... | . | RE: 386+ CORE.EXE....I would...but I don't have it...give me a link | to it...and I'll put it temporarily in the /core/directory....... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Dec 21, 2003 - 7:57:26 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Fantastic, | | Bear put it on his site :))) | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Dec 21, 2003 - 10:01:00 pm | | gregy> | OUTSTANDING...!!! I was gonna go look there, later tonight...but.. | you've save me the trouble.... | ... | Good Ole Bear...!!!! | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Dec 21, 2003 - 10:06:30 pm | | gregy> | well...that's scary....YOU found it...but...Bear doesn't list it on | any link there.... | ...so....you must be clairvoyant... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Dec 21, 2003 - 10:08:21 pm | | gregy> | Ray....as for 386+CORE.EXE....email-attach it to me...and I'll put itŠ| right up there.... | | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Dec 22, 2003 - 4:58:51 pm | | glennmcc> | No, not clairvoyant... | | Bear posted that link on my AQCCC board. | | ============================================================================ | | Tue, Dec 23, 2003 - 3:09:59 pm | | mht> | Ray, | No, this commented part of IMA.H cannot be deleted. It may sound | unbelievable, but this is a DETAILED DESCRIPTION of every function | declared in this header file with EXAMPLES of calls. | | Code style: well, I like "func(arg1, arg2)", but since "if" is not | a function, I prefer "if (condition)" to make it clear. | | Gregy, | The 386+ CORE.EXE is uploaded to my directory (I can even say "self- | uploaded", because it was done using built-in Arachne FTP). I sent | a private message to you yesterday. | | And... Merry Christmas to all! | | | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 24, 2003 - 12:01:35 am | | gregy> | Michal...thank you......I'll grab a copy, and position it in | the /ARACHNE/directory...where we can put a link to it that doesn't | point to one of you coder's personal directory.. | | ... | We'll go with that link glennmcc posted above for the Borland 3.1 | ...?? Bear is taking a lot of care with his site...and once he gets | it all together...It should be more-or-less a mirror/backup for most | all of the arachne.cz stuff....and a focal point for things like | Borland, etc...that we don't want to expose in an up-front listing.. | .. | I'm also looking into a bigger site for myself....and that would | give us more room to play with.. | | QUESTION...are my ISP's servers giving everyone acceptable download | and upload speeds...??....Š| | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 24, 2003 - 3:14:03 pm | | ray> | Merry Christmas all: | | Michal, | | OK, everything in IMA.H stays. | | Gregy, | | While you're consolidating things, it would be a good idea, imho to | grab all the APM's and post them too ... with any luck we should | have one site where anyone can get anything and everything as needed. | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 24, 2003 - 3:28:36 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Sometimes troubles creep up on you. Yesterday, trying to save a page, | I found that I couldn't with my working copy of 1.73GPL nor with | the virgin copy of 1.73GPL ... farting around in mime.cfg I found: | | [glennmcc stuff] | | THIS DIDN'T WORK: | ;file/export.dgi >TXT|copy /b _4prt.txt $s>NUL |del _4prt.txt \n if exist | | THIS DID WORK: | file/export.dgi | copy _4prt.txt $s >> r:\arachne.log | | | ... It seems that ">TXT" won't work on my system. | Any thoughts? | | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Dec 25, 2003 - 8:11:05 am | | Joe> | Ray, | | Just an observation. Is the "/b" option important here? If so, you | should be able to use this option in your second example, I don't | think it's responsible for any "misbehaviour". | | Greggy,Š| | Thanks for your e-mail (I may be a bit "slow" during this period too.;-) | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Dec 25, 2003 - 3:01:35 pm | | ray> | Joe, | | No, "/b" didn't make any diff, it's in the ">TXT" for sure. | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Dec 25, 2003 - 5:48:47 pm | | gregy> | et al....Merry Christmas.... | .. | Ray...Bear has ALL the .APMs up on his site...I have grabbed all of | them, also.... | .... | We can have "separate sites"...as long as they are fairly reliable, | and well known.... | .. | As you know...my web space is only 10Mbytes...I don't want to get | to loaded up... | ... | That's why I don't have the Arachne Package posted, and why I haven't | uploaded the Base0 Inherited Source here...also.. | | | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Dec 25, 2003 - 5:51:57 pm | | gregy> | Joe....slow ain't the word...I'm freezing......actually, not that | ..but...spent the whole day working out, under this trailer..trying | to make the most of this "last nice day" of the year.... | ... | We're supposed to get down below zero, by Monday...so...today was THE | day to "make hay".... | ...I'm for a nice warm bed..... | | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Dec 25, 2003 - 6:12:56 pm | | glennmcc> | Here's the entire correct line for export.dgi | |Š| file/export.dgi >TXT|copy /b _4prt.txt $s>NUL |del _4prt.txt | \n if exist $s echo file has been saved to $s>$2 | | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Dec 25, 2003 - 7:40:31 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Yeah, I'm just dreamin of one site with everything; keep up the | good work. BTW, where do you live that it's so cold? | | Glenn, | | Sorry about the trunctated line I posted above. Anyway the | correct line as you show it is indeed identical to the original | in mime.cfg ... but it doesn't work. | | All, | | I found this at the very end of 'popget.c': | | | switch (status) | { | case 1 : /* foreign host closed */ | break; | case -1: /* timeout */ | sprintf(str, MSG_TCPERR, sockerr(socket)); | outs(str); | break; | }   | | | The first case does nothing, and the only other case boils down to an | if(), no? So I'm wondering if the whole thing couldn't be written better as | | | if (status == -1) | { | sprintf(str, MSG_TCPERR, sockerr(socket)); | outs(str); | } | | | (No changes for now anyway ... just asking) | | | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Dec 25, 2003 - 7:42:08 pm |Š| ray> | Well, that sure didn't print very nicely ... but you get the idea | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Dec 25, 2003 - 8:09:47 pm | | glennmcc> | Where are you when trying to use export.dgi ? | | It will only work correctly when used via print.ah which will show on | your screen after hitting the P key to convert the currently being | viewed HTM file to TXT format. | | ============================================================================ | | Thu, Dec 25, 2003 - 8:11:09 pm | | glennmcc> | Alos ... to past-in some piece of text here. | | It works best if you visit using Arachne and then use the F3 key to | paste it in from some file. | | | ============================================================================ | | Fri, Dec 26, 2003 - 12:09:18 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Yeah, I'm doing by the book -- using 'P'. Is there a way of | slowing down or even capturing the text messages that flash across | the screen for a microsecond when something goes wrong? I think | if we could cature that text, it might help guys like me figure out | a lot of stuff for ourselves (that's sort of what I'm trying to do | with the " >> r:\arachne.log" ending to my 'export.dgi' line). | | Thanks | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Dec 27, 2003 - 9:31:56 am | | Joe> | Ray, | | Your popget.c suggestions seems OK, perhaps "case 1" used to | do more than it does presently, perhaps there were (or were | planned to be) more cases than "1" and "-1"? Dunno. | | Gregy, | | Thanks for your suggestion, perhaps I should spend some timeŠ| on the beach, it's been a while. Too busy catching up with | old friends ATM, then I've got a bunch of work to catch up | on, so I'll see how things pan out. BTW, keep warm (I *hate* | cold;-). | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Dec 27, 2003 - 10:20:59 am | | gregy> | Joe....I LUVVV cold....as long as I'm nice and warm inside.... | ...actually....now that my spine column is getting back to sorta | normal...I even like it outside.....as long as I've got a "nice warm" | to retreat into.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Dec 27, 2003 - 10:22:00 am | | gregy> | Ray....along the hi-line (Canadian Border) in Montana....couldn't | you tell....??? | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Dec 27, 2003 - 10:25:56 am | | gregy> | Ray....re: one site with everything.....???....ahhh...yes..I'm sure | you're having a dream..... | .. | Actually...I kinda like it spread out over several sites...different | stuff here and there....as long as everything is known/documented..so | all we have to do is click-a-link...and we're where different stuff | is kept... | .. | FWIW....I think that, if we get onto sourceforge...it will be only | with CORE, Insight, and WWWMAN...because a lot of the associated stuff | is from other people, and stashed at other places...and sourceforge | is not the place for the whole package.... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Dec 27, 2003 - 11:08:19 am | | ray> | gregy, |Š| So you're practicaly Canadian, eh? | | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Dec 27, 2003 - 11:36:53 am | | gregy> | ha ha...Ray...just like you folks from Vancouver are practically | yankees..... | .... | ...but...now you know why my weather sometimes gets a tad cool... | | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Dec 27, 2003 - 12:48:47 pm | | ray> | gregy, | | Ain't it the truth -- have you heard of the Cascadia project: | B.C. and some of the NorthWest states breaking away to form an | independant nation? Lines of communication here are def. North-South, | not East-West. Most Vancouverites are no more used to really cold | weather than are Floridians. | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Dec 27, 2003 - 3:24:57 pm | | gregy> | Ray..there has been "fringe" mention of the praire provences/states | breaking away and joining up...but...it's more of a joke among we | "serious" inhabitants of these parts......... | .. | ..For me, I like having a "foreign" country so close...and yet so | familiar..... | ... | he he he...now that we're both under madcow quarintine...we can start | to socialize again...... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Sat, Dec 27, 2003 - 3:26:29 pm | | gregy> | ...and...WOW...!!!...we're really having a genuine blizzard blowing | down our throats, here, today....something we haven't seen for a | couple of years.... | ... | Other parts of Montana have had them in recent years...just here, in | Havre, we haven't.....so....now we get the reminder....Š| | | ============================================================================ | | Sun, Dec 28, 2003 - 2:16:49 pm | | glennmcc> | ray, | | Your edited line for export.dgi did not paste-in here properly. | | Could you give it another try please ? | | I'll see if I can figure-out what's going on. | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Dec 29, 2003 - 5:51:55 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | I'll send it to you privately latter on -- I want to | tinker a little bit more with it myself so that I've got | more detailed info. for you. | | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Dec 29, 2003 - 6:08:29 pm | | glennmcc> | OK, I'll wait for an email from you. | | ============================================================================ | | Mon, Dec 29, 2003 - 10:04:59 pm | | glennmcc> | ray, | | I got your email | | So now..... You've got mail. ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 31, 2003 - 12:20:09 pm | | ray> | All, | | Yesterday I was fooling around with Glenn, looking at a problem I was | having in 'mime.cfg'. Anyway, in an effort to find something out, I | put a 'beep' command into 'arachne.bat', just to see how often that | file is called durring an Arachne session -- and I was amased to | find that even after 'core' is launched, it still has to re-call | 'arachne.bat' every time 'insight' does almost anything. I thought | 'arachne.bat' was only needed at startup and shutdown. It seems | a very clumsy thing for an .exe to have to re-call a batch file | for every little thing durring email opperations. Does anyone | know the reason for this? It would seem like something that | should be a major time-waster. | | | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 31, 2003 - 4:21:26 pm | | glennmcc> | ray, | | I suspect that the reason it's happening on your install..... 4Dos | | IIRC, | You removed all of the [nnn] memory specs from mime.cfg so that 4Dos could b | | By doing that, every time that any external program is needed | (wheatinsight.exe, djpeg.exe, png2bmp.exe, etc... etc ...) | Core.exe is 'dumped' from memory and Arachne.bat is re-entered at the | point just after core.exe was originally run. | | The external program is run and then arachne.bat is re-run. | | If you happen to find the time..... | | Try doing that same experiment but this time while using command.com | and a copy of mime.cfg with all of the [nnn] mem specs in-place. | | I'll bet you don't get very many (if any), beeps. | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 31, 2003 - 4:29:57 pm | | glennmcc> | | I just did it the other way around. | (removed all of my [nnn]s and placed this line at the top of arachne.bat) | call beep.bat | | The result.... beep beep beep beep beep beep. | | I then restored my original mime.cfg | (but left 'call beep.bat' in arachne.bat) | | The result..... | 1 beep when I first start Arachne... and another when I do any of these. |Š| F8 to run clr.bat to clear my cache | (also beeps when I clear only the HTML files from the cache) | | Shell to Dos and it beeps upon re-entering Arachne via 'exit' | | Go to the utilities menu and hit 'Memory info' | Hit 'more info' on that page. | | That's it. | | No beeps when doing email, dir listings (which use wwwman.exe), | converting Jpegs... etc...etc...etc... | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 31, 2003 - 6:08:54 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Now that makes perfect sence! No need to test it myself, you've | explained it ... although if I'm not mistaken it is possible for | a program to launch a child process as an overlay without the need | to re-enter the original calling batch file. Anyway, now that I know | why I should have regreted loosing the [nnn]'s ... the next question | is how to get them back! -- how to make mime.cfg work under | 4dos without the need for that modification. Back to the lab ... | | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 31, 2003 - 6:24:01 pm | | glennmcc> | Oooohhhh, | | The solution is very simple......... | | You already know what it is. | | ============================================================================ | | Wed, Dec 31, 2003 - 10:03:46 pm | | ray> | damn, damn, Damn! ... tried everything in the book with no luck. | This is the one and only thing I've ever seen where 4dos fails | to work with a program that works OK with command.com. Yeah, it's | got to be simple ... and I already know what it is ... :-< | | I'm stumped ... give me a *small* hint. | | |