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Sun, 02 Oct 2005 08:17:22
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| 1) Thu, Sep 01, 2005 - 2:12:18 am 
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| gregy>
| Okay...clean board....
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|  2) Thu, Sep 01, 2005 - 2:13:15 am 
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| gregy>
| archives are up....
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|  3) Thu, Sep 01, 2005 - 2:19:51 am 
|
| Eric >
| Glennmcc,    Downloaded 103 emails w/newar1.87 core.  NO aborts.
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| 4) Thu, Sep 01, 2005 - 2:32:00 am 
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| gregy>
| No, Ray...not you...you coder guys can discuss any old topic you wanna.
| ...this is YOUR board.
| ...
| What I was meaning was I am NOT supposed to be posting in here, unless
| it's for an answer to a direct question concerning this board or a
| coder problem that you ask me for an answer on.
| ...
| So, I apologize....I forgot myself....
| ..
| And...
| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/brd/misc/mindex.php
| ..is where all that stuff is supposed to go.  In future...if you need
| me to post on an OT topic, I'll just put a post that "Reply is up on
| my MISC board.".....and nothing more than that...
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| 5) Thu, Sep 01, 2005 - 5:38:18 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| | 395) Wed, Aug 31, 2005 - 12:09:06 am 
| | glennmcc>
| | Here in NE Ohio... $2.50/gal
| | I'll wager it rises to 3 bucks by Fri or Sat... perhaps sooner.
|
| Update......
|
| Hit $3.00 this morning.
|
| By noon they raised it yet again and it's no $3.20
|
| As to the plywood... current price for 1/2"X4'X8' CDX ... $13.29 a sheet.
|
| I'll post the updated price Monday evening.
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| 6) Thu, Sep 01, 2005 - 5:40:48 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| Ray,
| re:"| Ha! Sly dog! Almost caught me there. But saying:"
|
|
| HA !... I _did_ catch you.
|
| | Yup I meant that my knowledge of ... 
|
| It's you who then _caught_ yourself 'too late' and had to retract the "yup".
| <ggggggggggg>
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| 7) Thu, Sep 01, 2005 - 6:34:00 pm 
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| Eric>
| Just bought gas at 3.1599/gal - Marathon - 87 octane
| And that's at a station which is usually priced at the
| low end compared to the others.
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| 8) Thu, Sep 01, 2005 - 8:22:27 pm 
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| ray>
| Wellllll .... ok, you caught me :))
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| 9) Thu, Sep 01, 2005 - 8:43:37 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| I love this kind of discussion.
|
| We can throw our different viow points back and forth between each other
| for days on end. Perhaps even get each others' nerves from time to time.
|
| But we can still joke about it and still keep a sense of decorum.
|
| Thank you for very enjoyable discussion.
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| 10) Thu, Sep 01, 2005 - 9:01:48 pm 
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| ray>
| Most welcome, the pleasure was mine.
| You might find a study of ontology to be very rewarding, it is one
| of the more enlightening areas of philosophy, although it does 
| seem rather abstract. "What do we mean by 'existance'?" "How many
| different kinds of 'existance' are there?" As we saw with numbers,
| even in mathematics there are different 'level's of existance.
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| 11) Thu, Sep 01, 2005 - 9:21:31 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| Quite correct.
|
| But, when the 'level of existence' reaches zero.....
|
| existence itself ceases to exist.
|
| <ggggggg>
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| 12) Thu, Sep 01, 2005 - 9:35:31 pm 
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| ray>
| Well that' just the nub of it. My study of ontology convinced me
| that although zero is *almost* nothing, there is still one 
| level lower than that. Zero has no magnitude but it does 
| have the property of exactness and specificity -- it tells you
| as surely as 1 or -15 or pi that a quantity 'exists'. I save 
| non-existance for that bottom rung where 2 sided triangles live.
|
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| 13) Thu, Sep 01, 2005 - 10:00:20 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| //--- newtest.c ---
| #include <stdio.h>
|
| int main(void)
| {
| char buffer[80];
| int lengthofside1=1, lengthofside2=1, lengthofside3=0;
|
| if(lengthofside1)
| {
| sprintf(buffer, "Side1 exists %s",lengthofside1);
| puts(buffer);
| }
| if(lengthofside2)
| {
| sprintf(buffer, "Side2 exists %s",lengthofside2);
| puts(buffer);
| }
| if(lengthofside3)
| {
| sprintf(buffer, "Side3 exists %s",lengthofside3);
| puts(buffer);
| }
| if(!lengthofside1)
| {
| sprintf(buffer, "Side1 does not exist %s",lengthofside1);
| puts(buffer);
| }
| if(!lengthofside2)
| {
| sprintf(buffer, "Side2 does not exist %s",lengthofside2);
| puts(buffer);
| }
| if(!lengthofside3)
| {
| sprintf(buffer, "Side3 does not exist %s",lengthofside3);
| puts(buffer);
| }
| return 0;
| }
| //___________
|
|
| The output of newtest.exe
|
| Side1 exists 
| Side2 exists 
| Side3 does not exist (null)
|
| <ggggggg>
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| 14) Fri, Sep 02, 2005 - 7:31:13 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| Ray,
| I have a proposed goal for you to aim at.
|
| Arachne v1.87;GPL,Ray_A ...... Public release date Sep 30, 2005
|
| Doable ????
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| 15) Fri, Sep 02, 2005 - 7:34:43 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| You send me the complete 'distro package' of files.
|
| I'll build the SFX file ar187gpl.exe, zip it into ar187gpl.zip
| and upload it to my site.
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| 16) Fri, Sep 02, 2005 - 8:12:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| Sure is't doable but I didn't think you were on for that any more,
| please clarify. Right now I'm writing up B6 ... *actualy* right now
| I'm bug hunting -- Vladimir found another FTP bug ... but once I've
| got B6 documented then I'll start integrating your and Joe's code
| in any case.
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| 17) Fri, Sep 02, 2005 - 9:54:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| You get it ready to go.... we use my site to release it.
|
| Sound like a plan ?
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| 18) Sat, Sep 03, 2005 - 10:10:51 am 
|
| ray>
| Bbbbut I have no full relese, just my 'umble core (+ the .bat and the
| changes to .cfg). One fine day I'd like to reorganise the whole
| distro (all docs and .txt files to the \docs directory, a '\mime'
| directory the the utilities etc. etc.) but for now it's just
| my core. Anyway if you want to host that once I'm integrated, that's
| fine with me.
|
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| 19) Sat, Sep 03, 2005 - 3:44:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| This is all I mean by 'distro package'.
| Everything that's in the Arachne_main dir and all subs under it.
|
| \arachne\16bit.txt
| \arachne\386pc.acf
| \arachne\486pc.acf
| \arachne\about.htm
| \arachne\aexthtml.txt
| \arachne\ahtml40.txt
| \arachne\apm.exe
| \arachne\apm.htp
| \arachne\apm.txt
| \arachne\arachne.bat
| \arachne\aracolor.htm
| \arachne\aracolor.txt
| \arachne\aramdisk.txt
| \arachne\arashade.htm
| \arachne\asf_help.asf
| \arachne\back.gif
| \arachne\bbsppp.acf
| \arachne\blue.skn
| \arachne\caverge.skn
| \arachne\changes.txt
| \arachne\chngdone.htm
| \arachne\clearlok.asf
| \arachne\comtool.com
| \arachne\comtool.txt
| \arachne\core.exe
| \arachne\cwsdpmi.exe
| \arachne\d2c.bat
| \arachne\dgi.txt
| \arachne\dirdgi.htm
| \arachne\djpeg.txt
| \arachne\djpeg32.exe
| \arachne\doslynx.bat
| \arachne\dospppd.txt
| \arachne\e-dress.txt
| \arachne\edithelp.htm
| \arachne\edreshlp.htm
| \arachne\ega_cga.htm
| \arachne\epppd.exe
| \arachne\exedit.mim
| \arachne\faq.htm
| \arachne\fastpc.acf
| \arachne\file_id.diz
| \arachne\fixmem.txt
| \arachne\formfeed
| \arachne\guide.htm
| \arachne\help.htm
| \arachne\help-eng.htm
| \arachne\help2.htm
| \arachne\hgcgevga.htm
| \arachne\home.htm
| \arachne\homeback.gif
| \arachne\hotkeys.htm
| \arachne\hotlist.htm
| \arachne\hot_mgr.htp
| \arachne\hot_raw.htp
| \arachne\ibase.gif
| \arachne\idxfast.htp
| \arachne\idxhead.htp
| \arachne\insight.exe
| \arachne\keywords.txt
| \arachne\lan.acf
| \arachne\lantcp.cfg
| \arachne\license.txt
| \arachne\lsppp.doc
| \arachne\lsppp.exe
| \arachne\mail.htm
| \arachne\memcore.txt
| \arachne\mime.cfg
| \arachne\mime.txt
| \arachne\miniterm.exe
| \arachne\news.htm
| \arachne\nonprofi.htm
| \arachne\options.htm
| \arachne\origins.htm
| \arachne\paper.gif
| \arachne\phone.gif
| \arachne\plany.exe
| \arachne\plany.txt
| \arachne\png2bmp.exe
| \arachne\pop3smtp.asf
| \arachne\pppenhan.htm
| \arachne\pppframe.htm
| \arachne\ppptcp.cfg
| \arachne\pppvolny.acf
| \arachne\ppp_back.gif
| \arachne\ppp_fast.htm
| \arachne\ppp_init.htm
| \arachne\quickpad.txt
| \arachne\readme.txt
| \arachne\register.htm
| \arachne\reply.htp
| \arachne\resend.htp
| \arachne\rtf2htm.bat
| \arachne\rust-plt.jpg
| \arachne\security.cfg
| \arachne\setup.bat
| \arachne\setup.htm
| \arachne\setup2.htm
| \arachne\sign.txt
| \arachne\skin.css
| \arachne\slip.acf
| \arachne\slowpc.acf
| \arachne\spid.ico
| \arachne\strobo.gif
| \arachne\survival.htm
| \arachne\termin.com
| \arachne\toolbar.cfg
| \arachne\unarj.exe
| \arachne\unarj.txt
| \arachne\unzip.exe
| \arachne\utils.htm
| \arachne\uudecode.exe
| \arachne\uuencode.exe
| \arachne\vga.htm
| \arachne\wattcp.cfg
| \arachne\welcome.htm
| \arachne\wwwman.cfg
| \arachne\wwwman.exe
| \arachne\xch.gif
| \arachne\xchaos.skn
| \arachne\xedit.bat
| \arachne\xswap.txt
| \arachne\zip.exe
| \arachne\zipunzip.txt
| \arachne\doc\acf_asf.htm
| \arachne\doc\apm.htm
| \arachne\doc\binhex.htm
| \arachne\doc\cable.htm
| \arachne\doc\charsets.htm
| \arachne\doc\dir.htm
| \arachne\doc\dosshell.htm
| \arachne\doc\editor.htm
| \arachne\doc\ext-prog.htm
| \arachne\doc\ftphelp.htm
| \arachne\doc\howto.htm
| \arachne\doc\icons.htm
| \arachne\doc\internet.htm
| \arachne\doc\isdn.htm
| \arachne\doc\lan.htm
| \arachne\doc\mailhelp.htm
| \arachne\doc\memmap.htm
| \arachne\doc\netdos.htm
| \arachne\doc\pcimodem.htm
| \arachne\doc\ppp_how2.htm
| \arachne\doc\savetrix.gif
| \arachne\doc\setuphow.htm
| \arachne\doc\specif.htm
| \arachne\doc\speed.htm
| \arachne\doc\surftips.htm
| \arachne\doc\system.htm
| \arachne\doc\tempdir.htm
| \arachne\doc\upgrade.htm
| \arachne\doc\viewer.htm
| \arachne\doc\wavelan.htm
| \arachne\examples\arachne.gif
| \arachne\examples\button.htm
| \arachne\examples\csim.gif
| \arachne\examples\csim.htm
| \arachne\examples\css.htm
| \arachne\examples\dirdgi.htm
| \arachne\examples\embed.htm
| \arachne\examples\entity.htm
| \arachne\examples\fonts.htm
| \arachne\examples\framecol.htm
| \arachne\examples\frames.htm
| \arachne\examples\left.htm
| \arachne\examples\mouse.jpg
| \arachne\examples\navigate.htm
| \arachne\examples\nested.htm
| \arachne\examples\newfile.htm
| \arachne\examples\nobreak.htm
| \arachne\examples\nocss.htm
| \arachne\examples\redir.htm
| \arachne\examples\resize.htm
| \arachne\examples\sample.css
| \arachne\examples\tables.htm
| \arachne\examples\testdgi.htm
|
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| 20) Sat, Sep 03, 2005 - 3:45:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| \arachne\oops\dosshell.ook
| \arachne\oops\lynx2851.ook
| \arachne\oops\readme.ook
| \arachne\oops\setup_gr.ook
| \arachne\oops\setup_os.dgi
| \arachne\oops\tcpinfo.eek
| \arachne\oops\windows.ook
| \arachne\system\8x14.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedbi1.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedbi2.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedbi3.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedbi4.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedbi5.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedbi6.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedbn1.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedbn2.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedbn3.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedbn4.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedbn5.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedbn6.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedni1.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedni2.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedni3.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedni4.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedni5.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixedni6.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixednn1.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixednn2.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixednn3.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixednn4.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixednn5.fnt
| \arachne\system\fixednn6.fnt
| \arachne\system\fontinfo.bin
| \arachne\system\propbi1.fnt
| \arachne\system\propbi2.fnt
| \arachne\system\propbi3.fnt
| \arachne\system\propbi4.fnt
| \arachne\system\propbi5.fnt
| \arachne\system\propbi6.fnt
| \arachne\system\propbn1.fnt
| \arachne\system\propbn2.fnt
| \arachne\system\propbn3.fnt
| \arachne\system\propbn4.fnt
| \arachne\system\propbn5.fnt
| \arachne\system\propbn6.fnt
| \arachne\system\propni1.fnt
| \arachne\system\propni2.fnt
| \arachne\system\propni3.fnt
| \arachne\system\propni4.fnt
| \arachne\system\propni5.fnt
| \arachne\system\propni6.fnt
| \arachne\system\propnn1.fnt
| \arachne\system\propnn2.fnt
| \arachne\system\propnn3.fnt
| \arachne\system\propnn4.fnt
| \arachne\system\propnn5.fnt
| \arachne\system\propnn6.fnt
| \arachne\system\apm.db\185gpl.htm
| \arachne\system\apm.db\djpeg32.htm
| \arachne\system\apm.db\insight.htm
| \arachne\system\apm.db\iso88591.htm
| \arachne\system\apm.db\png2bmp.htm
| \arachne\system\apm.db\wwwman.htm
| \arachne\system\codepage\1250.cp
| \arachne\system\codepage\8859-2.cp
| \arachne\system\devdrvrs\ctmouse.exe
| \arachne\system\devdrvrs\ctmouse.txt
| \arachne\system\devdrvrs\history.txt
| \arachne\system\devdrvrs\protocol.txt
| \arachne\system\dgi\cfgwiz.exe
| \arachne\system\dgi\clr.bat
| \arachne\system\dgi\clr-bat.txt
| \arachne\system\dgi\dosshell.bat
| \arachne\system\dgi\fixmem.com
| \arachne\system\dgi\goph2htm.exe
| \arachne\system\dgi\hotlsman.exe
| \arachne\system\dgi\reboot.com
| \arachne\system\dgi\wizard.exe
| \arachne\system\gui\adrsman.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\conf_ext.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\conf_lan.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\conf_ppp.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\copy.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\download.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\edittb.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\error.gif
| \arachne\system\gui\err_asf.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\err_disk.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\err_load.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\err_lock.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\err_mail.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\err_net.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\err_noip.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\err_open.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\err_pkt.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\err_pop3.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\err_ppp.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\err_smtp.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\err_url.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\etherwz1.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\etherwz2.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\etherwz3.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\etherwzn.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\etherwzy.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\fatal.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\ftplogin.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\login.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\maintain.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\makelist.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\nonfatal.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\offline1.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\opt_loc.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\opt_misc.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\opt_net.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\opt_pers.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\print.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\profiles.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\prtbmp.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\ps.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\quickpad.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\saveas.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\search.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\sendfile.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\sendmail.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\setup.gif
| \arachne\system\gui\tcpsetup.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\textedit.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\tips.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\wizard1.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\wizard2.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\wizard3.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\wizard4.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\wizard5.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\wizard6.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\wizard7.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\wizard8.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\wizard9.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\wizarda.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\wizardb.ah
| \arachne\system\gui\xicht.gif
| \arachne\system\ikons\about.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\adrsbook.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\alticon1.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\alticon2.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\alticons.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\bat.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\binary.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\blk_clip.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\blk_copy.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\blk_cut.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\blk_del.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\blk_move.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\blk_past.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\buttons1.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\buttons2.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\buttons3.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\cancel.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\cdromdrv.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\com.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\config.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\dosshell.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\ethernet.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\exe.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\exit.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\floppy.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\font.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\htm.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\htmledit.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\image.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\index.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\key.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\mail01.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\mail02.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\mail03.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\mail04.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\mail05.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\mail06.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\menu.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\midi.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\movie.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\norton.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\phone.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\pidimail.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\pidisave.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\pidisend.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\pidizrus.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\sendfile.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\sendmail.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\sipecky.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\small1.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\small10.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\small2.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\small3.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\small4.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\small5.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\small6.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\small7.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\small8.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\small9.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\small_wm.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\smalogo1.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\smalogo2.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\smalogo3.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\smalogo4.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\smalogoa.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\smalogob.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\smalogox.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\smalogoy.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\smalogoz.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\sound.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\star.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\suplik.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tb800600.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbacf.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbasf.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbbfoldr.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbcancel.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbdial.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbfileop.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbfulscr.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbgoweb.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbhangup.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbhelp.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbicq.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbinbox.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbkill.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbmailop.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbmypc.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbpageop.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbpop3.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbps.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbreqall.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbrfoldr.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbsavftp.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbsendf.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbsetup.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbsmtp.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbsysop.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tburl.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tburlbar.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbutilpg.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tbverify.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\telnet.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\text.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\tools.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\trash1.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\trash2.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\unknown.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\windows.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\xchlogo0.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\xchlogo1.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\xchlogo2.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\xchlogo3.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\xchlogo4.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\xchlogo5.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\xchlogo6.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\xchlogo7.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\xchlogo8.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\xchlogoa.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\xchlogob.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\xchlogox.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\xchlogoy.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\xchlogoz.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\yourpc.ikn
| \arachne\system\ikons\zip.ikn
| \arachne\system\pktdrvrs\3c509.com
| \arachne\system\pktdrvrs\cslipper.exe
| \arachne\system\pktdrvrs\ifconfig.bat
| \arachne\system\pktdrvrs\ne2000.com
| \arachne\system\pktdrvrs\net.cfg
| \arachne\system\pktdrvrs\odipkt.com
| \arachne\system\pktdrvrs\odipkt.rme
| \arachne\system\pktdrvrs\odipkt.txt
| \arachne\system\pktdrvrs\pcipkt.com
| \arachne\system\pktdrvrs\pktchk.com
| \arachne\system\pktdrvrs\pktdrvrs.ah
| \arachne\system\pktdrvrs\pktstat.com
| total files 454
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 21) Sat, Sep 03, 2005 - 7:49:24 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, I know what would be included, but since I haven't changed
| anything there, there's hardly any point.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 22) Sat, Sep 03, 2005 - 9:58:40 pm 
|
| ray>
| I just tried to send B6 final up to Yahoo with no luck -- I  couldn't
| even get on to the site :(
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 23) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 9:51:51 am 
|
| ray>
| Didn't work with Opera, got "connection closed by remote server".
| But this morning it did work with Firebird, but base5c (484,753 bytes)
| still wouldn't upload, get "document contains no data".
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 24) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 4:24:55 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep... I've totally given up on Yehaw.
|
| Screw-em' :(
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 25) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 5:05:49 pm 
|
| ray>
| It's still an archive site when it works, but we should have something
| better, like your site or AVA for our work-a-day uploads.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 26) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 5:06:40 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hey glad to hear that lsppp is still being worked on, I just grabbed
| the latest and will instal now.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 27) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 5:07:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: Post 21
|
| OK,
| Email to me all files that you have changed
| which need to be included in the 'release package'.
|
| It takes about about 1 min to build the SFX, zip it up
| and have it ready for upload to my site.
|
| --- releasel.bat ---
|
| @echo off
| if"%1"=="" goto end
| md !sfx-l
| cd !lite
| xcopy *.* ..\arachne\*.* /s
| cd ..
| mkinst releasel.cfg
| cd !sfx-l
| pkzip -ex a%1gpll.zip a%1gpll.exe
| del a%1gpll.exe
| cd ..
| :end
| rem '%1' == version number
| rem usage ... releasel.bat 187 <enter>
| ___________________
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 28) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 5:12:32 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: Lsppp still being worked on
|
| Nope ... its not.
|
| David has stopped working on it.
|
| The version already included with Arachne _is_ the 'latest version'.
|
| All of my bug reports over the past 18mo have fallen on deaf ears.
| (no replies to any of them) :(
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 29) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 5:21:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Since I have the SRC code....
|
| I guess I'm just gonna hafta bite the bullet and fix those bugs myself.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 30) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 5:35:41 pm 
|
| ray>
| Nuts, right, I just saw that, Sam is pointing to a version dated 
| 10-22-03, and the one from you is 11-20-03. However, strangely,
| the readme with Sam's version appears to be more modern and
| more accurate. What do you make of that?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 31) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 5:36:56 pm 
|
| ray>
| Add good luck with those sources, if you can do ASM you're a better
| man than I am, Gungadin. Where is Clarence when you need him.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 32) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 5:50:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Just D/Led theat 'latest version' a little while ago.
|
|  Volume in drive C is MCCORKLE_01
|  Directory of  C:\!\LSPPP10
|
| .            <DIR>     9-04-05  4:30p
| ..           <DIR>     9-04-05  4:30p
| LSPPP    EXE    36560 10-22-03 10:36p
| BOOTP    ASM     5009  6-29-03  2:30p
| CONNECT  ASM     5312  6-29-03 11:39a
| IPCP     ASM     7484 10-21-03 10:39p
| TSR      ASM    25421 10-21-03 10:37p
| CMDLINE  ASM    19069 10-20-03 12:45p
| PORTFOL  ASM     2966  6-29-03 11:39a
| ARP      ASM     3913  6-29-03 11:39a
| PPP      ASM    18883 10-21-03 10:32p
| LCP      ASM    10694 10-21-03 10:25p
| LOG      ASM    11955 10-20-03 12:40p
| DIALER   ASM    12057 10-22-03 10:36p
| MD5      ASM    12509  6-29-03 11:39a
| PKT      ASM    24458 10-21-03 10:38p
| STATEM   ASM    21515 10-18-03  1:44a
| PAPCHAP  ASM     6166 10-20-03  2:11p
| VJCOMP   ASM    24104 10-16-03  5:36p
| INTERNET ASI     2400  6-29-03 11:39a
| PPP      ASI     5250 10-16-03  7:33p
| MAKEFILE          318 12-22-00  1:34p
| COPYING         18434  3-30-03 12:30p
| README   TXT     9367 10-20-03 12:19p
|        24 File(s)  30531584 bytes free
|
|
| ---- here are the files inclufded in the Arachne package ----
|
|  Volume in drive L is MS-RAMDRIVE
|  Directory of  L:\ARACHNE
|
| LSPPP    CFG      108  6-15-05  1:47p
| LSPPP    EXE    36560 10-22-03 10:36p
| LSPPP    TXT     9367 10-20-03 12:19p
|         3 File(s)  98172928 bytes free
| ________________
|
|
| I renamed readme.txt to lsppp.txt so that they'de show-up next to
| each other in an alphabetical dir listing and so the it would be more
| easily found and so that it would not over-write the Arachne readme.txt
|
| Other than that... the files are identical
|
|
| Comparing files in...
| C:\!\LSPPP10
| with files in...
| L:\ARACHNE
|
| Comparing   README.TXT with    LSPPP.TXT - Files compare ok.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 33) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 5:51:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| FYI,
|
| My ASM abilities are rusty.... but not non-existent. <g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 34) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 6:00:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| Har, har.
|
| My doc is dated 3-03-01, so it musta been from some older version,
| I'll keep the new one, tx.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 35) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 7:56:13 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| See... ??
|
| That's what you get for not doing a 'full install' when I release a new
| version of Arachne.
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 36) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 8:35:18 pm 
|
| ray>
| Na it's not that, there was much confusion over which version to use
| (Sam still suffers from it ;-) and I probably was jumping into bed
| with different versions from different sources so much that it's a 
| wonder I don't have VD ... maybe I do, better get that checked.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 37) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 8:37:32 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW, possible bug: can you send a CC of a message to yourself and
| get it? I couldn't, then, as always, I tried your core, and it worked
| once, but before I was in prober debuging mode, so I can't remember
| exactly what I did, anyway since then no luck with your core (183)
| or mine.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 38) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 9:06:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| BRB
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 39) Sun, Sep 04, 2005 - 9:08:10 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| No problem.........
|
| Return-path: <glennmcc@cisnet.com>
| Received: from cisnet.com (dialup-4.252.93.24.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net
| [4.252.93.24]) by mail.cisnet.com
|  (Vircom SMTPRS 4.5.186) with ESMTP id <B0018830732@mail.cisnet.com> for
| <glennmcc@cisnet.com>;
|  Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:06:58 -0400
| Message-ID: <B0018830732@mail.cisnet.com>
| From: "Glenn McCorkle" <glennmcc@cisnet.com>
| Organization: Arachne Fan Club
| Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:07:18 -0500
| X-Mailer: Arachne v1.87;UE09
| To: 
| Reply-To: glennmcc@cisnet.com
| CC: glennmcc@cisnet.com
| Subject: 
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
| Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
|
| Testing CC
|
| -- 
|  Glenn
|  http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
|  http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
|  http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 40) Mon, Sep 05, 2005 - 8:35:39 am 
|
| ray>
| Do you get two messages saved to the outbox or just one?
| Seems to me there should be two.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 41) Mon, Sep 05, 2005 - 8:40:36 am 
|
| ray>
| Here's one of mine, any obvious problems?
|
| Return-path: <randrews@995.ca>
| Envelope-to: randrews@995.ca,
|  randrews@995.ca
| Delivery-date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 00:44:00 +0000
|
| Received: from orleans-ppp42689.sympatico.ca ([206.172.95.168] helo=995.ca)
|  by mail3.995.ca with smtp (Exim 4.20)
|  id 1EC55b-0006lc-7Z; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 00:43:59 +0000
| From: "Ray Andrews" <randrews@995.ca>
| Organization: Arachne Development Club
| Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 17:44:52 -0800
|
| X-Mailer: Arachne 183:B-6
| To: "Ray Andrews" <randrews@995.ca>
| CC: randrews@995.ca
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| Message-Id: <E1EC55b-0006lc-7Z@mail3.995.ca>
| X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: randrews@995.ca
|
| Subject: try 8a
| Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
| Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
| X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on omega.look.ca
| X-Spam-Level: 
| X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-100.0 required=9.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST 
|
|  autolearn=no version=2.63
| X-SA-Exim-Version: 3.1 (built Tue Feb 24 05:09:27 GMT 2004)
| X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 42) Mon, Sep 05, 2005 - 2:35:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| This might explain why you only get one copy.
|
| X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on omega.look.ca
|
| Since the 2nd is identical to the 1st.... SpamAssassin might be sending
| the 2nd copy right into the 'bit bucket'.
|
| You'de need to ask the techies at 995.ca if that's what SA is setup to do
| with 'exact duplicates' of messages.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 43) Mon, Sep 05, 2005 - 6:42:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| Right, I was just speculating about that in reply to your email.
| It seems logical that two identical emails sent within seconds ...
| hmmm, but there's no problem with a different recipient for the CC, 
| and why would a spammer send to himself?  Suppose they have their
| reasons, maybe my past sucsess is due to a certain cut off, like 
| the assassin kicks in after so many suspicious posts in one day.
| I'll ask them and report back.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 44) Tue, Sep 06, 2005 - 12:38:41 pm 
|
| Joe>
| Hi all,
|
| Just a brief visit - the last for about a week or so,
| at which time I will be back in Oz ...
|
| I´ve noticed some remarks about LSPPP bugs, etc.
| Although it´s not strictly on-topic, perhaps you
| (Glenn, AFAIK) could post something about this to
| ArachneBugs, since this needs some traffic every
| few months (3, IIRC) to show it´s still active ...
|
| Anyway, I´ll check when I get back about file dates
| and such. Be aware however, that DL´s 1.0 is NOT the
| last version ever released ... I made some fixes to
| FIFO handling (and documentation), which are version
| "1.01" (of course, I sent DL a copy, but he seemed to
| have lost interest at about that time). Check my
| website at Geocities if you want a copy ...
|
| See ya!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 45) Tue, Sep 06, 2005 - 7:35:45 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Thank you, thank you, thank you :)))
|
| Now, when you find some time.... would you perhaps help me track down
| what's wrong with /N:dns_number,dns_number
|
|
| If the ISP being dialed into is capable of assigning DNSs... the /N:
| switch gets over-ridden and the ISP assigned DNSs get used instead.
|
| According to the docs it's supposed to work the other way around.
|
| /N: _should_ over-ride the ISP assignmemnt.
|
|
| /N:@[,@]        DNS address 
|
| Set the DNS name server address[s].  First address is primary
| and second address is secondary.  If no name servers are 
| specified LSPPP will attempt to auto-configure them from the 
| server.
| example:  /N:198.77.33.2,198.77.33.1
| default: /N:0.0.0.0,0.0.0.0 (autoconfigure)
|
| ______________
|
| Therefore... when the /N: switch is used... lsppp shopuld not even be
| asking the ISP for the DNSs
|
| It's actually working in this order....
|
| 1) ask ISP for DNSs
| 2) if 1 fails, use /N:
| 3) if /N: also fails.......... no DNS
|
| ____________
|
| It should be working in this order.........
|
| 1) use /N: if it exists
| 2) if 1 fails or /N: does not exist... ask ISP for DNSs
| 3) if both fail....... no DNSs
|
| Another  bug....
|
| If lsppp.cfg exists in the same dir with lsppp.exe ......
|
|
| lsppp.exe /u does not work for unloading the packet driver.
|
| That's why I had to come up with this command line to get lsppp.exe
| to unload itself when I hit Alt+H
|
| ;Hangup @lsppp.exe /u>NUL
| ;does not work if lsppp.cfg exists in the same dir with lsppp.exe
|
| Hangup @ren lsppp.cfg lsppp.cfb | lsppp.exe /u | ren lsppp.cfb lsppp.cfg
|
|
| The existence of lsppp.cfg in the same dir with lsppp.exe is causing
| lsppp.exe to orer-ride _all_ command line switches..... even /u
|
| /u _should_ be exempt from being over-ridden.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 46) Tue, Sep 06, 2005 - 7:46:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| Go to it gentlemen :-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 47) Wed, Sep 07, 2005 - 5:14:41 am 
|
| vbm>
| Hi, All.
| first, Glenn, please, let me know - have you got sources of insight?
| Ray and I'm did transfer all messages to one file about a month ago...
| ;-)
| second, Joe, explain please, why can't sttopping sending a mail by esc
| key, in 183j1-c1? this is not lsppp I using epppd... ;-)
|
| poka.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 48) Wed, Sep 07, 2005 - 7:53:40 am 
|
| vbm>
| again, as just now tested - bug with esc & sending exist to 1.77c3 -
| 1.83c1... sorry. ;-))))
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 49) Wed, Sep 07, 2005 - 3:34:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hi Vladimir,
|
| Yes, I got the insight SRC you sent.
|
| Current version is labled v3.87.3
|
| I will include my changes done since you made yours and it will become v4.0
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 50) Wed, Sep 07, 2005 - 5:39:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Was just now looking at your SRCs
|
| If I underastand correctly,
|
| You and Ray started with my v3.87.2 SRCs
|
| If this is the case... I have only few lines of code to merge into your
| SRC files and I'll compile v4.0
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 51) Wed, Sep 07, 2005 - 5:50:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope... a little more than I thought.
|
| Looks like you and Ray started with this one...
|
| //!!glennmcc: Jan 13, 2005...... new version number - 3.87
|
|
| I will need to merge-in all of the changes from all of these releases....
|
| //!!glennmcc: Apr 13, 2005...... new version number - 3.87.1
| //!!glennmcc: Jul 19, 2005...... new version number - 3.87.2
| //!!glennmcc: Aug 05, 2005...... new version number - 3.87.3
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 52) Wed, Sep 07, 2005 - 5:58:20 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Also... I'm thinking of making it 'dual language'
|
| By default, the English would be used.
|
| But everything would switch to Russian if this lione exists in arachne.cfg
|
| InsightLanguage Russian
|
| As time goes on... we can make insight, wwwman and core itself 'dual languag
|
| And have...
|
| Language Russian
|
| or 
|
| Language English
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 53) Wed, Sep 07, 2005 - 10:03:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| What!  make language a keyword option? Careful that will burn 
| a lot of memory, best to leave it done at compile time, just
| as with core. 
|
| But it will be nice to have an up to date insight.exe, we're all
| over the place with your changes and Vladimir's.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 54) Wed, Sep 07, 2005 - 10:06:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW, Glenn, check out 'mess-eng.c' and 'mess-rus.c' in my code,
| and note how many more translatable messages we have. V looked through
| the code and created translatable messages for almost every bit
| of language :)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 55) Wed, Sep 07, 2005 - 11:55:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| KEWL !!!!
|
| Looks like you guys are already well-on-the-way toward dual language
| capability.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 56) Wed, Sep 07, 2005 - 11:57:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As for eating up memory.... so what ???
|
| You have _saved_ such a HUGE amount of memory with your mods
| that now we have the memory we need to make her 'dual language capable'.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 57) Thu, Sep 08, 2005 - 3:13:18 am 
|
| vvbm>
| Hi, All.
|
| Glenn, thank you for good words for me. ;-)
| now, thinking dual language is no very needs because we don't know how
| much memory will need for support JS & etc.. ;-)
|
| Glenn, what about hacked miniterm ? it's don't work for me. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 58) Thu, Sep 08, 2005 - 3:30:07 am 
|
| vbm>
| oops, three times broken connect.... :-(
| litre corrections, of course, I meant enabling by keywords dual language... 
| ;-)))
|
| poka.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 59) Thu, Sep 08, 2005 - 5:10:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW, Vladimir, also check out 
|
| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/ctst/ctsindex.php
|
| for some more talk with the guinea p ... I mean the testers ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 60) Thu, Sep 08, 2005 - 6:15:34 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Vladimir,
|
| I'm not surprised to hear that my 'hacked' miniterm does not work correctly.
|
| All I did was use a hex editor to change 'ARACHNE.CFG' to 'MINITERM.CFG'
| inside of miniterm.exe
|
| To really do the job right... we need the SRC code files for miniterm.exe
|
| Michael never sent them to me and I have recieved no replies from him
| to my email requests asking if he still had them on his HDD somehwere.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 61) Thu, Sep 08, 2005 - 6:17:13 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I'm going to try one more 'hack'.
|
| So that the filename will be the same length...
|
| I'll change 'ARACHNE.CFG' to 'MINITRM.CFG'
|
| BRB
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 62) Thu, Sep 08, 2005 - 6:30:38 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Hacked, zipped, uploaded.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 63) Thu, Sep 08, 2005 - 7:37:28 pm 
|
| ray>
|
| Yeah, you can't change the size of an .exe when you hack it like that
| so miniterm.cfg won't work, unless you disasemble and reasemble
| the ASM.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 64) Thu, Sep 08, 2005 - 8:25:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Didn't change its size even the 1st time.
|
| That 1st hack worked for me but not for Vladimir
|
| Maybe this 2nd try will work better.
|
| Maybe not. <g>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 65) Thu, Sep 08, 2005 - 9:16:36 pm 
|
| ray>
| It worked at all? I remember the very first time you did that, and
| you used the shorter name, so I'd expect sucess but I'm surprised the
| longer one worked. I predict sucess with the sorter name.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 66) Thu, Sep 08, 2005 - 9:23:22 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ha, just saved another 432 bytes.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 67) Fri, Sep 09, 2005 - 8:28:07 am 
|
| vbm>
| Hi, All.
|
| Glenn, thanks, miniterm  work...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 68) Fri, Sep 09, 2005 - 11:47:31 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Fantastic !!!!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 69) Fri, Sep 09, 2005 - 2:56:46 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yup that's another nail in the coffin for some of those miniterm-only
| keywords.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 70) Fri, Sep 09, 2005 - 5:22:33 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But it also means that we'll need to have the setup pages save those
| keywords and the vaues we assign to them into minitrm.cfg instead of in
| arachne.cfg
|
| This means rewriting the code for 'arachne:internal-config' so that it
| will save some options into arachne.cfg and others into minitrm.cfg
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 71) Fri, Sep 09, 2005 - 5:49:07 pm 
|
| ray>
| Right, more work to do before any release! ... (And I can't do it ;-))))
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 72) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 11:41:31 am 
|
| gregy>
| PROPOSAL #1 - Have Arachne query the SerialPort occasionally to see if
| it is still ONLINE or if the ISP has dropped it OFFLINE.
| I can see when this happens, because I use ExternalModems religiously,
| but my P133 has an InternalModem and I'm getting dropped without any
| Onscreen indication that it's now gone OFFLINE.
|
| PROPOSAL #2 - Glenn, could you please expand your excellent work on
| implementing SMTP.LOG and POP3.LOG to be TCPIP.LOG (or some other
| recognizable name) that would log ANY conversation our Arachne has with
| our ISP's server (or, for that matter, any Inet server)...???
|
| PROPOSAL #3 - Lower priority, but, Glenn, could you complete that prior
| work on killing the "download counter run-away" bug...???  It's a small
| irritation, but still kinda embarrassing the try to explain to a newU
| what's going on and what to do about it...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 73) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 4:02:08 pm 
|
| ray>
| I've been bitchin' for #1 forever. I'd do it myself if I had the 
| slighted idea where to start. There's probably a wattcp function that
| would do it, but I know diddly about it.
|
| #2: Why? Isn't separating traffic into pop3 and smtp more logical?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 74) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 4:04:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| #1 ... no can do unless we write a TSR API to monitor the serial port in
| question
|
| #2 .... also no can do without a TSR API for doing the monitoring/logging
|
| But you can have a look at the stats for this 'session'
|
| Hit 'U' and link to "TCP/IP statistics"
|
| #3 ... already done (in a manner of speaking),
|
| Enabling 'Wait till page D/L done to display'
| finishes killing that bug which was already in 'failing health'.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 75) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 4:07:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| <bump>
| Hi Ray
| </bump>
| <g>
|
| Nope... sorry to say that there is no WATTCP function for TCP/IP logging.
|
| We would need to write that TSR API for it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 76) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 4:17:41 pm 
|
| ray>
| Really? wattcp has no way of checking for an active connection before
| sending?  Maybe that's lsppp's teritory, I never did understand this
| dichotomy between the 'ppp driver' and the 'tcp/ip stack'. Anyway, even
| if it is lsppp's teritory, you and Joe can fix that when you start
| hacking that to bits ;-)
|  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 77) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 4:30:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope.... not in WATTCP nor in Lsppp
|
| All they can do is 'try' to send or recieve via TCP/IP and then 'retry'
| several times for whatever 'time-out' we have set.
|
| If it fails... it can't check to see _why_ it failed.
|
| All they can do is return the appropriate errorlevel for the failed attempt(
|
| Niether of them contains any code to see is the modem connection has
| been dropped.
|
| For that we need a TSR to be running continueously 'in the background'
| that would send an errorlevel to core.exe when the modem is in
| 'No-carrier' condition.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 78) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 4:40:19 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmmmmm, didn't I read in one of my modem manuals that you can
| check for that with a simple AT command?  If so, then solving this
| problem could be dead simple, no?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 79) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 4:59:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| Or, could a 'ping' be sent and if that fails ... na, it would just
| time out right?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 80) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 5:08:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep....
|
|
| pinging a site that is inaccessible would give us the eronnious error
| that the modem had lost carrier.
|
| We need a 'carrier detect' TSR
|
| But now that you mention it.. I'll look into the 'AT command set'
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 81) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 5:14:27 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope :(
|
| http://members.tripod.com/michaelgellis/modem.html
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 82) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 6:03:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| &C0
| Reg, 10
| X0
| and 
| &S1
| looked like starting places to me, I wish I knew more about this.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 83) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 6:36:32 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Those are used in the modem init string.
|
| &C0  Force data carrier detect (DCD) on
| (does not proceed to next action after dialing if carrier is not detected)
|
| Reg, 10 <--- refers to the &S(register number)
|
| The 5 'X' commands are used before and after dialing 
|
| X0 Send OK, CONNECT, RING, NO CARRIER, ERROR and NO
|    ANSWER. Busy and dial tone detection are disabled.
|
| X1 Send X0 messages and CONNECT speed
|
| X2 Send X1 messages and NO DIAL TONE.
|
| X3 Send X2 messages and BUSY and RING BACK. Dial tone
|    detection is disabled.
|
| X4 Send all responses.
|
| ____________________
|
| &S1 DSR on at the start of handshaking and off after carrier loss
|     
| _______________________________________________________________________
|
| http://www.vision.net.au/~timotsc/null/nullmodem.htm
|
|
| DCD <-- if we can figure out a way of testing this one... we got it.
|
| Data Carrier Detect (DCD)
| : When low, indicates that the data carrier has been
| detected by the MODEM or data set. The DCD signal is a MODEM status input
| whose condition can be tested by the CPU reading bit 7 (DCD) of the MODEM
| Status Register. Bit 7 is the complement of the DCD signal. Bit 3 (DDCD) of 
| MODEM Status Register indicates whether the DCD input has changed state sinc
| the previous reading of the MODEM Status Register.
| DCD has no effect on the receiver.
| Note: Whenever the DCD bit of the MODEM Status Register changes state, an
| Interrupt is generated if the MODEM Status Interrupt is enabled.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 84) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 8:31:30 pm 
|
| ray>
| You know enough about this that I probably need not make uninformed
| suggestions, but I know in my bones that this is possible without
| a TSR, it's gota be possible because it is something that someone
| before me would have wanted, it's just gota be doable.
|
| So I done the deed: my core will not ignore any valid keyword
| no how. And it sure as hell won't dial tring to find " " as 
| a valid input! Now, if you add a keyword with no argument at the
| top of the .cfg that's saying you want the option diabled or to
| use the default if there is one.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 85) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 9:07:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| So..........
|
| Where's the 'code snippet' showing how ya done it ????
|
| I showed ya mine for those textedit.ah fixes.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 86) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 9:11:51 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh I'll post it. As for yours, I almost always let that stuff
| ride.  If it passes further testing and is retained I'll have it
| in the next release without my needing to worry about it, and if it's
| in core, I'd pick it up as I integrate your stuff anyway.
| Leme just edit that ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 87) Sat, Sep 10, 2005 - 9:17:08 pm 
|
| ray>
| Three changes, search for 'Þ'
|
| char *ConfigVariable DeF (char *keystring, char *newvalue)
| {
|   struct IBeditor *spFile = &sArachneCfg;
|   int l = strlen(keystring);
|   char *line, *ptr;
|
|   for(spFile->y = 0; spFile->y < spFile->lines; spFile->y++)
|   {
|     line = IEgetLine(spFile, spFile->y);
|     // length of 'line' must be greater than length of 'keystring'
|     // otherwise there is no value after the keyword,
|     // in which case the keyword is ignored.
|     // && the first part of 'line' must match 'keystring' but case is ignore
|
| // {Þ Allow tesing of keyword w.o. value ... this will return NULL.
|     if (line /* && strlen(line) > l */ && !strncmpi(line, keystring, l))
| // }    
|     {
|       if (newvalue)  // We are changing a value.
|       {
| newval:
|         line = malloc(IE_MAXLEN);
|         if (line)
|         {
|           strcat(strcat(strcpy(line, keystring), " "), newvalue);
|           IEputLine(spFile, spFile->y, line);
|           free(line);
|         }
|         return NULL;
|       }
|       else // We are not changing a value.
|       {
|         line += l; // Pass keyword.
| // { RAY: 05-04-08: If another, longer keyword begins with the same
| // string as the current keyword and is higher up in the file, it will be
| // intersepted. Eg. if searching for "SysFont" but another line
| // "SysFontSize 4" exists higer up in ARACHNE.CFG, the value returned for
| // "SysFont will be "Size 4".  This test fixes that (costs 16 bytes).
| // This test also makes sure there is a space between keyword and value.
| //Þ
| //        if (*line != ' ')
|         if (isalnum(*line)) // Check for more than just "!= ' '"
|           continue;
| // }
|         while (*line == ' ')
|           line++;                // Pass all spaces.
|         ptr = strchr(line, ';'); // 'ptr' points to ';' in 'line' if any.
|         if (ptr)                 // Is there a comment after the value?
|         {
|           while (*(ptr - 1) == ' ')
|             ptr--;               // Remove spaces before the comment.
|           *ptr = 0;              // Truncate 'line' at this point.
|         }
| // { Þ If keyword is followed by nothing, or by spaces, return NULL
| // instead ofignoring keyword or using spaces as valid value (for God's
| // sake!) As usual, default will be used if one exists.
|         if (!*line) // 0 means we have reached the end of 'line'.
|           return NULL;
| // }
|         return line;             // Return the parsed configuration value.
|       }
|     } // End: if (line && strlen(line)
|   } // End: for(spFile->y = 0; spFile->y < spFile->lines; spFile->y++)
|
|   if (newvalue && *newvalue && spFile->y < spFile->maxlines)
|   {
|     IEinsLine(spFile, spFile->y, "");
|     goto newval;
|   }
|   return NULL;
| } // End: char *configvariable
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 88) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 7:17:01 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    What the H is that strange symbol you say to search for?
| How do you generate it?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 89) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 9:52:29 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric, that's ASCII 222, which shows up as a totaly blacked out
| rectangle in most text editors. I use it to flag stuff under development
| so I can let it work for a while before deciding to keep it or not,
| then I flag it properly like "RAY: 050911" I've always lamented the 
| fact that we don't have a character set like the standard IBM one.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 90) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 10:03:45 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  You didn't answer how one can search for ascII 222 if
| it's not on the keyboard?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 91) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 11:35:14 am 
|
| ray>
| Oh, just press and hold the Alt key while pecking '222' on the
| numeric keypad, then release the Alt key and voila ASCII 222 is on
| your screen.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 92) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 11:37:15 am 
|
| ray>
| BTW I like to use illegal characters deliberately, that way if I should
| ever forget to comment them they are flagged as errors by the compiler
| automaticaly, since ASCII 222 can never exist legaly in a C program
| anywhere, any time (except in a comment of course).
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 93) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 2:57:54 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn, Ray,...I think you guys are looking in the right spot, at the 
| DCD line, but my assy is so vague/shakey, that I can't envision the 
| code that would be needed.....sorry for being "no help"....
| ...
| PROP #2 - Glenn...well, I take your word for it....if...IF...you tell
| me that SMTP and POP3 are handled by TSRs....and...I'll take your word
| for it, if that's not true, as long as you 'splain to me just how you
| are doing the SMTP.LOG AND POP3.LOG thingees.  I presumed that you had
| modified CORE.....so....if CORE (or whereever else) is the one writing
| to the .LOG, why couldn't we have everything(anything kinda connection)
| write to the .LOG......???
| ...
| I mean...for sure...the .LOG would fill up rapidly, but, that function
| would only be turned on for troubleshooting such things as my FTP 
| problem...(and...as I said....my WS_FTP Lite/w3.1 works fine, so Arachne
| should be able to, too)...
| ..but....we don't wanna keep the SMTP and POP3 permantly turned on,
| either....otherwise you wouldn't have made it a variable-toggle.....
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 94) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 3:03:15 pm 
|
| gregy>
| PROP #3 - Yes, I agree, low priority, just keep it in mind that it still
| needs a more "polished-looking" fix.  The "wait until downloaded" fix
| DOES pretty well mask it...but...a lot of people will NOT be enabling
| that (I don't, all the time)...and then they will still bump into the
| "download-loop-runaway" bug...  
| ...
| As I said...low priority....just don't entirely forget it.....then..when
| you're digging thru the code, on the trail of some other fix, and a REAL
| elegant fix for the "d-l-runaway" thing suddenly presents itself...you
| won't be puzzled by thoughts of, "Hmmmm, wonder what THAT could be good
| for?"........<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 95) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 3:10:28 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Again, PROP #1....I know that programs can ALWAY query the serial port,
| if that port is known by them, and is connected "under their
| use/control"....just what the code would look like I can't say, but it
| should be something simple:
| <pseudoCODE>
| readModemReg#?
| if ModemReg#? is "0" DO flip TCPIPIndicator to OFFLINE
| else continue as usual
| </pseudoCODE>
|
| It wouldn't have to check it but just once in a while...say, every one
| to two minutes (probably easier to check it more regularly, because
| stretching the interval out would require timeing loops, etc...)
| Just a quick check at regular intervals (milliseconds) would be the
| optimum..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 96) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 3:13:28 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Re:  PROP #2...seems to me, that Hayes-compatible modems have some
| capability to monitor the OUTregisters/INregisters, too....but...I think
| Glenn's SMTP/POP3 procedure should be applicable to ANY communication
| by Arachne with ANY type of server (SMTP, POP3, HTTP, FTP, et al)...
| ..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 97) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 3:15:37 pm 
|
| gregy>
| REMEMBER....this would NOT be used for ordinary use....only when we were
| having a problem and needed to see what Arachne was saying to the server
| and the server was replying to Arachne....
| ...
| At all other times it would be turned OFF....as the SMTP/POP3 usually
| is, now...
| ..
| That capability would help troubleshoot my FTP problem, and might
| probably have helped troubleshoot Lee's "no surf after connected"
| problem...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 98) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 3:28:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gregy,
|
| Nope... SMTP.LOG and POP3.LOG are handled internally by core.exe
|
| All she does is to save to disk (in those respective files), everything
| that she sends/recvs repectively via SMTP and POP3
|
| But the TCP/IP stats are not even looked at by core.exe
|
| We can have a look at them via pktstat.com ... but core.exe is totally
| unaware of them.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 99) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 3:34:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As for then making a mod to core.exe so that everything would get
| written into say EVRYTHNG.LOG
|
| As you say ... "the .LOG would fill up rapidly,"
|
| Not just rapidly........ at supersonic speed. <ggg>
|
| Try this after just 10 min of intensive web browsing.
|
| --- evrythng.bat ---
| del c:\arachne\evrythng.log
| for %%f in (c:\arachne\cache\*.*) do type %%f>>c:\arachne\evrythng.log
| ____________________
|
|
| How big is the resulting EVRYTHNG.LOG file ????
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 100) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 3:42:35 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I just now did it by linking to the 1st of 6 hotlists I have and hitting
| 'Q' to visit every link.
|
| The entire process took 3min
|
| This is the reulting EVRYTHNG.LOG
|
|
|  Volume in drive L is MS-RAMDRIVE
|  Directory of  L:\ARACHNE
|
| EVRYTHNG LOG   378189  9-11-05  4:38p
|         1 File(s)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 101) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 3:46:55 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to you FTP upload problem.
|
| Could I perhaps trouble you for the username/password and dir stucture
| so that I can test it ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 102) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 4:15:14 pm 
|
| ray>
| Why don't we make FTP.log? From what I see, the procedure would
| be virtualy identical to the other logs.
|
| As to Gregy's thoughts on a modem connection, hey it would only need
| to check before trying to use the modem, I'd expect that the test
| would only take a microsecond and that it could be left on all the time.
| Now, to figure out how.  I'll bet that if a way can be found it will
| be just a line or two.  Maybe before tring to send or recieve something
| some handshake or sumpin' with the other modem, followed by 
| an automatic disconnect/reconnect as needed, or even a redial as
| needed. As Gregy surmised, we just need to reset gTCPIP to zero if
| the connection is broken, and after that, I'll bet the rest would
| happen automagicaly.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 103) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 4:16:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| Would Wiz know how to do it?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 104) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 5:26:55 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:"Why don't we make FTP.log?"
|
| It's already being done.
|
|
| --- l:\arachne\FTP.LOG ---
| 200 Type set to I.
| 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for web/hotlist.htm
| __________________________
|
| I'll look into makeing it more verbose in the same manner as I did with
| pop3.log
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 105) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 5:31:55 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to checking the modem each time it needs to be accessed.
|
| Yes, that is _exactly_ what we need to do.
|
| Now all we need to figure-out is... what command do we need to send to
| the modem to themn get back from the modem a reply telling us if it has
| detetced a carrier ???
|
| There does not seem to exist a command in the AT command set to do it. :(
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 106) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 6:27:23 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....thanks for your consideration/hacking to apply your .LOG 
| principle to the FTP.....I agreed with you, BEFORE you ever raised the
| point....<g g g>...it WOULD get very large...if .... IF...it was to be
| left on, other than during troubleshooting/testing.  Just as SMTP and
| POP3 are mostly left off (I mean...I'm not gonna leave them on...only
| turn them on when I need to)...
| ...
| As for checking the modem for what's in its register mask for DCD..???
| ...
| ARAIR...the status-flags register has one bit set for DCD yes/no....
| ..so...can we find a command that causes the modem to cough up its
| Status Register contents...??  Then just read that bit for DCD and
| determine if the carrier is still there...??
| ...
| I mean...my external modem is ALWAYS aware of that....it always drops
| the LEDs when my ISP drops my connection.  I can see the LEDs blink
| out (leaving only two lit) and know immediately that it's dropped.
| ...
| The modem automagically knows it's been dropped, and it stores that
| info in its StatusRegister (I think...an 8bit or 16bit register)..I
| think an internal modem (Hayes compatible, of course) also KNOWS that
| info all the time....so....I'm sure (that means almost certain..<g>...)
| that I've seen a command, or sumpin, for querying the modem for the
| contents of its Status Register..
| ...
| hmmmm....needs more digging....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 107) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 6:29:30 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...as for FTP.LOG....I don't see that critter in my r:\arachne
| subdirectory....when is it generated...??  By CORE, or is that created
| by the external FTP.EXE program....???
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 108) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 6:36:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep... that's why I need to modify it to make it 'more verbose'.
|
|
| As you can from my FTP.LOG which resulted from uploading hotlist.htm
|
| Right now, all that gets placed into the log are the 'successful' pieces
| of info.
|
| If the attempt to upload fails......... FTP.LOG does not get created.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 109) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 6:43:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:"ARAIR...the status-flags register has one bit set for DCD yes/no....
| ..so...can we find a command that causes the modem to cough up its
| ______________^^^^^^^^^^^^^^_______
| Status Register contents...??  Then just read that bit for DCD and
| determine if the carrier is still there...??"
|
| Yep... 100% correct.
|
| Now all I gotta figure-out is..... "find a command"
|
| inportb() looks like a place to start.
|
|
| All we gotta figure-oput is how to get that function to query the
| 'base port address' instead of the com port number.
|
| This PCI modem of mine does not have a com port number.
|
| Both miniterm.exe and lsppp.exe are are able to access it via its IRQ
| and base port address.
|
| IRQ 4
| BPA 0xb800
|
| If we can get inportb() to access BPA 0xnnnn ........ we got it.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 110) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 6:51:20 pm 
|
| gregy>
| <g g g> well...I think you're hot on its trail, at least.....<g g g>
| ...
| NOTE - we may find that it IS impossible...but...it surely LOOKS like
| it SHOULD be possible....<g g g>
| ...
| But, isn't there an AT command to deliver up that modem StatusRegister
| contents...???  My memory is lousy, but something is wriggling around
| back in there, trying to tell me that I know sumpin like that....hmmm
| ...prolly have to sleep on it....<g g g>....and then wake up in the
| morning....
| ...
| .
| .
| .
| .
| .
| .with an empty head.....<g g g g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 111) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 6:54:15 pm 
|
| gregy>
| As for baseAddress....yep...those modems and their registers are 
| addressed upward from their baseaddress....so....doesn't that also
| apply to that PCI modem....??
| ..
| I mean:
| 0xb800
| 0xb802
| 0xb804
| etc.......?????
| That would be the case with any ordinary serial port...so....is it with
| that PCI modem...??  I would think something such as that is the case..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 112) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 6:57:13 pm 
|
| gregy>
| And....COMport Numbers can be used, but...asfarasIrecall...the baseaddr
| has always been used/usable for all serial communication.....and..I
| kinda doubt that a REALmodem (PCI though it is) does not have its
| register addresses as part of its "set" of baseaddresses....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 113) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 9:18:01 pm 
|
| ray>
| Well you guys have the bit between your teath on this modem thing.
| A loonie says you bag it.
|
| Guess what I did this aft?  I've created a way of loging every
| function call without using the IDE's debugger.
| Now, would anyone care to hazzard a guess how many function calls
| are needed to put Arachne on the screen (from start to
| full load) *not* including any library calls and *not* including
| the 'ticking' functions that are always working while waiting
| for user input?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 114) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 10:02:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Function calls only ???
|
| Like so......
|
| function_name()
|
| If so.....
|
| My wild guess is 1200
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 115) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 10:15:23 pm 
|
| ray>
| I should wait for more guesses but I won't 'cause it's so
| astonishing:
|
| 186,562
|
| that's
|
| One Hundred and Eighty Six Thousand, Five Hundred and Sixty Two.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 116) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 10:19:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| Doing this, you'll get a very powerful notion of what should be
| static, at least going by number of times a given fuction is
| called. Probably 80% of the above number is just 4 functions
| in iekernel.c and ie_fce.c 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 117) Sun, Sep 11, 2005 - 11:06:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Just now recompiled my 'max mem' version that had everything overlayed.
|
| This one now has those 2 files static.
|
| Cost 6,000 bytes :((
|
| Too expensive.
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 118) Mon, Sep 12, 2005 - 7:23:08 am 
|
| ray>
| It blows me away that those files can be called on 100,000 times just
| to start and yet it seems ok to overlay them.  I've got to get a
| handle on that number above, it is as if there are several function
| calls for every pixel on the screen ... (lessenow 800x600=480000) ...
| well at least it's not for every pixel, but maybe for every 'atom'
| I dunno.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 119) Mon, Sep 12, 2005 - 10:34:53 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...that "log all functions" facility is VERY, VERY usefull...<g> my
| congratulations...!!!....<g g g>.....Please don't think I'm trying to
| steal your thunder, here, but...but...after you and Glenn got those
| "ANYEVERYTHING.LOG" and "MODEM ON/OFF" things figured out....the "log
| all functions" was gonna be my NEXT "PROPOSAL"......<g g g g>
| ...
| Ray...HOWEVER...be very careful to NOT try to coallese too many
| functions into one function, or do away with too many calls, etc...
| ...
| Ref. Steve Ciarcia (of BYTE fame)...we gotta keep in mind that there's 
| supposed to be a whole bunch of things going on.....that's what we've
| got computers for....to handle all that grunt work of running through
| all those functions just to get one tiny black-and-white blob on the
| screen......<g g g>
| ...
| Be very thoughtfull about condensing/collapsing things into other things
| ....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 120) Mon, Sep 12, 2005 - 2:39:27 pm 
|
| ray>
| G,
|
| Well, I dunno, it's turning out to be a whole lot less helpful than
| I thought simply because there are such an overwhelming number of
| function calls.  Sheesh, I intend this to end up in a trace.log
| but the damned thing blows up on me because it gets so big. Clearly
| there will have to be a sort of 'zone' aproach, where one turns on
| logging for some modules only. It's the same with the built in 
| debug in the IDE -- you can't turn it on for all the files at the same
| time.
|
| But don't worry about me compacting functions, I may have done
| a few, but on balance it's been the other way -- I'm more likely to
| split up a function than compact them.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 121) Mon, Sep 12, 2005 - 4:00:44 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray....I hear you...but...that function should ONLY be turned on very
| selectively.  In fact, it MAY be useful to keep out of the standard
| Arachne CORE and only include it in an ArachneDebugCORE....not sure
| I like that..but...it definitely is NOT something the ordinary user
| will use, or want to use..
| ...
| And, even if a user activates it...they will not want it on very long.
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 122) Mon, Sep 12, 2005 - 10:05:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Heavens yes! That's obvious. This trace stuff will only be
| compiled by folks who have the sources and are competent to do
| that kind of thing. 
|
| So what's wrong with having a DEBUG build? Mind the trace stuff 
| is even more specialized that that, but I do like the idea of
| having a lean, mean core with no (or almost no) error checking
| along with a core that has *tons* of it. You use the former when
| things are rosy, and fire up the latter when you have a problem.
| They'd function identicaly otherwise.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 123) Tue, Sep 13, 2005 - 1:52:18 am 
|
| Eric>
| Maybe a total distribution should come with 2 cores...
| a lean & mean core and a debugging core, along with
| necessary support files for a debugging setup.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 124) Tue, Sep 13, 2005 - 10:00:42 am 
|
| gregy>
| I agree with Eric, that there should be two builds, one "regular" and
| one "debug"...but...I think the debug should be distributed separately.
| ...why..??
| ..
| I think we don't want to bloat the normal distribution to larger than
| one 1.44Mbyte floppy.  
| ...
| And...Ray....I mean, debug builds should already be compiled.  Many
| users that suddenly need the debugging capabilities may NOT have the
| immediate capability to compile..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 125) Tue, Sep 13, 2005 - 3:40:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah we're on the same wavelength boys. It's debatable if a
| normal distro would have both cores stock or whether you should have
| to download one or the other seperately. Naturaly a normal user
| would be able to get it already built. The 'trace' stuff is a bit
| different since it is obvious that only someone with the sources
| could use it at all for anything. I'm inclined to think both cores
| should come by default since I'd say the normal user would want
| to use the debug core first and only switch to the lean core
| after becoming confident that all's well. Then of course we have
| the 'tinyfoot' core as well, so that's at least three builds that
| can be expected to have general circulation.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 126) Tue, Sep 13, 2005 - 4:02:28 pm 
|
| gregy>
| How about....I suggest that the "standard distro" contain only what it
| now contains (subject to minor additions/subtractions) and the debug
| core and tiny core be included in with the source files, with a separate
| set of files in another download file for IDE makes, etc...???
| ...
| And...for that matter of fact....I don't suggest we get ourselves into
| the business of distributing the BCC distro, but we should have a LINKS
| file included in with the SourceCode file...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 127) Tue, Sep 13, 2005 - 4:27:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, there's lots of options. For now, the DEBUG core is only a bit
| bigger than the alternate, so there's no need to confuse the issue,
| but I expect that eventualy the DEBUG core will be maybe 10-20K bigger
| and noticably slower, so by then two should be offered.
|
| As to the IDE debugging (if that's what you mean by 'BCC distro')
| its no different, just the project file is changed to include
| the commands needed to compile for debugging -- and that core
| is of no use to any normal user.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 128) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 5:48:25 am 
|
| Eric>
| Guys,    What's this IDE mean?   One reason for two builds,
| mean and lean(m&l) vs. debug, is that there will be bugs induced
| into the core when creating the debugging features.
| So, the m&l core should be as sound and bug free as it's humanly
| possible to make it so there is always a reliable core to fall
| back on.  A few forced restarts when debugging is expected but
| shouldn't be acceptable from the m&l core used with a default
| setup using default hardware.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 129) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 9:22:41 am 
|
| Eric>
| Has anyone else noticed the unusual behavior of the dialing error
| page(err_ppp.ah). The REFRESH seems to behave oddly. Sometimes it
| doesn't work.  The counter doesn't appear at the bottom of the page
| and the redial doesn't occur.   If I ALT E to DOS then return
| with EXIT then the counter starts and redial happens.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 130) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 10:15:09 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Do you have both of these settings in Arachne.cfg
|
| IgnoreRefresh No
| LengthenShortRefresh No
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 131) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 10:57:36 am 
|
| vbm>
| Eric, when you using these Glenn's settings, you maybe have a problem
| with autodial, so use they when open a site where REFRESH=0 and
| immediately start redirection to ... ... for usually work they  no
| needs...  but I like hard to code direct if REFRESH<5 then increase it
| to 30, because can forget disabling  these keyword and long time try
| finds why redial don't work... ;-)))
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 132) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 10:59:58 am 
|
| Eric>
| Thanks Glennmcc,  I added those settings to arachne.cfg
| and now err_ppp.ah seems to work correctly. I wonder
| why they weren't already in my arachne.cfg?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 133) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 11:10:57 am 
|
| Eric>
| I don't like auto-redial so I customize that page to
| load my Hotlist or a blank page. I was doing just that
| when I was reminded of the anomally. I have noticed it
| before but never mentioned it. Since I have to use ALT-D
| to hang-up my modem I see that page a lot and don't want
| it to dial again when I'm trying to hang up. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 134) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 11:20:57 am 
|
| Eric>
| Thanks Vladimir,     I don't use Auto redial. I don't 
| like the computer connecting except by a personal
| command from myself.  I like to be in control! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 135) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 12:16:13 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| My apolgies for the inconsistant operation of my modifications to 'refresh'.
|
| I will fix that for v1.87
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 136) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 12:27:35 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....mea culpa...I apologize...I sent us haring off in the wrong
| direction(s)....
| ..Re: "check for ONLINE/OFFLINE condition"....
| ..
| It is NOT the modem we need to check, it is the actual serial port
| chip(s)...the UART.  The UART is the thing that we can check/get to,
| for status info about the modem-connection (whether external or
| internal)...
| ...
| A start on this info is available from GOOGLE: 8250 uart
| and the first link will get us started on where/how to find/access that
| info...
| ...
| again...I apologize for the wrong directing...
|  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 137) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 12:43:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| There we go... fixed.
|
| Now if either of the variables is missing from Arachne.cfg...
| The refresh tag will work as it did before.
|
| The only way it will get changed is if the variable says "Yes"
|
| Yes == Yes
| No == No
| Not found == No
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 138) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 12:51:55 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...you off work, today...??
| ...must be...you're here....<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 139) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 2:46:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| IDE means Integrated Developement Environment, in other words 
| the Borland compiler's editor cum debugger. When you build a 
| program with debugging 'on' the code you've written doesn't change
| at all, what happens is that lots of extra machine code is added
| by the compiler to make it possible to 'step thru' the code line
| by line as it executes. This lets you see what is happening in
| a very direct way but the .exe produced is of no use except for
| this debugging procedure. This is quite a different thing from 
| what I am talking about when I say we should have a 'debugging core'.
| That core would test for things like out of range .cfg options,
| non-existant directories, etc. etc.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 140) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 2:49:22 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Don't appologise, just home in on the solution :-)
| Oh, that reminds me, Eric, since you don't want to guess,
| Our two dollar coin with the polar bear on it is called ....
|
|
| A 'two-nie'
|
| :-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 141) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 4:01:37 pm 
|
| gregy>
| I didn't know that....I learn sumpin new every day...<g g g>
|
| he he he....NOW I'm reminded why I so delight in having Canadians for
| close neighbors.....<g g g g gg>
| ...
| he he he....only Canucks...!!!!!......<g g g>
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 142) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 4:54:42 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hey, so what are those default colors?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 143) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 8:37:52 pm 
|
| gregy>
| DESKTOP COLORS (I think)...but..anyway...for instance, on this page...
| all fill-in boxes are black background with green text....and on my 
| Arachne Toolbar, at the top of my browser, in the URL box, black
| background and green text.
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 144) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 10:11:24 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ok, it's green on black then. 'Spose I coulda just looked it up and
| stop being lazy.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 145) Wed, Sep 14, 2005 - 11:01:25 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Well, why not...???   Be lazy, I mean....after all, it only took me
| ...what...30sec to answer your question....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 146) Fri, Sep 16, 2005 - 1:44:53 am 
|
| Joe>
| Hi all,
|
| Glenn, I've taken note of the two LSPPP "bugs" you've mentioned above.
|
| However, I don't think the DNS one is a bug. As I understand it (no,
| I haven't taken a closer look as yet), it's supposed to work thus :
| a) If DNS specified by user, negotiate this with ISP,
|    else, just send null DNS instead.
| b) If ISP accepts the specified DNS, use it,
|    else, use whatever the ISP says instead.
|
| That's what I believe LSPPP does. Is there any reason why
| this is unacceptable? Put another way, why would you refuse
| to use the DNS specified by the ISP? That would lead to
| lower performance or even non-working DNS, I think.
|
| Now, as for Unload vs. 'lsppp.cfg' ... yep, that's certainly
| a bug! BTW, I've never used 'lsppp.cfg', so I haven't seen
| (verified) this bug as yet, but I'll do so for the purposes
| of catching this vermin (when I get a chance, that is;-).
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 147) Fri, Sep 16, 2005 - 4:39:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now that I look at it that way.
|
| You're right, that's not a bug after-all.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 148) Fri, Sep 16, 2005 - 5:12:15 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Yes...???
|
| But, then, LSPPP precludes us from using an "alternate" DNS, which is
| perfectly legal, than the one the ISP assigns us, even though that
| DNS may be malfunctioning at the time...??
| ..
| I have that situation, often, with the DNSes my ISP assigns for MT...
| ...
| So, I plug in one of the WY or ID or FreeNIC DNSes and keep on cruising.
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 149) Fri, Sep 16, 2005 - 6:02:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| We can change them after dialup
|
| Exit Arachne and use the 'set' command to place the alternat DNSs into
| the apropriate env variables.
|
| Alos edit pppdrc.cfg to alter the ISP transmitted DNSs to the ones you
| want instead.
|
| Now we can go back into Arachne and use the new DNSs
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 150) Fri, Sep 16, 2005 - 7:27:03 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Okay...I'll buy that..<g>...I'll also remember that when/if I start to
| use LSPPP...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 151) Fri, Sep 16, 2005 - 10:35:10 pm 
|
| Eric>
| I don't think you can do that with ALT-E 'cause they will
| be lost when you "exit" back into Arachne. Environment
| variables "belong" to the "command.com" the are set under
| and will be cleared with "exit".
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 152) Sat, Sep 17, 2005 - 12:14:18 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| That's why I said "exit Arachne" .... not 'shell out of Arachne'
|
| Alt+E == shell to DOS
|
| Alt+X == eXit
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 153) Sat, Sep 17, 2005 - 8:38:08 am 
|
| ray>
| Right, this Alt+E nonsence must stop! < G G G >
| How can we make it clear to everone that you must EXIT before
| you make any environment changes that you want to use, or for that
| matter before making any changes to setup?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 154) Sat, Sep 17, 2005 - 10:42:00 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Some changes can be made with ALT-E.  I've had no problems
| changing cores or config files that I can remember as long 
| as they were compatible with each other. The worse that can happen
| is a lock-up. If one exits before changing files, Arachne may not
| start or may lock up....what's the difference? Changing env. vari-
| ables is a different situation.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 155) Sat, Sep 17, 2005 - 12:33:33 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yeah, I know sometimes an AltE is OK, but it seems to me that
| an AltX is just as easy and leaves out a whole lot of potential
| trouble.  When one is testing, there are so many things that can
| go wrong that it's good to reduce the unforseen to a minimum.
| I remember some time ago having this ongoing problem with
| Vladimir, and it also turned out to be that he always 'quit' with
| AltE, which meant that a whole raft of things that are done
| with AltX were not done. I'd say that AltX just keeps things 
| a whole lot cleaner.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 156) Sat, Sep 17, 2005 - 12:36:19 pm 
|
| ray>
| For example, those hangs when changing cores, it's predictable,
| since any changed core will have memory mapped all over the place
| in differnt locations. Here's some of the things that must be
| done to shut down Arachne that aren't done with an AltE:
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 157) Sat, Sep 17, 2005 - 12:44:24 pm 
|
| ray>
| ... Never mind, I just made it so that even with AltE, a proper
| 'exit' will be performed; it might just prevent any hangs when
| swapping cores.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 158) Sat, Sep 17, 2005 - 2:46:00 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Well, I just ALWAYS (when testing) do EXC, and that completely collapses
| Arachne to DOS.....then, an "I"<enter> launches Arachne again...NOTE..
| I do NOT rerun my AR.BAT since that reloads my RAMdisk with the fresh
| upload from my HDD...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 159) Sat, Sep 17, 2005 - 2:46:33 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ooops...always do ESC...sheeeeesh...can't type, today....<g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 160) Sat, Sep 17, 2005 - 3:36:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Suggestion....
|
| Disable Alt+E in the 'test cores'.
|
| Re-enable it after the bugs are worked-out.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 161) Sat, Sep 17, 2005 - 7:22:26 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Well...that works alright, just those of us who use the commandline
| a lot will need to do ESC or ALT-X, then relaunch Arachne, and we won't
| be always able to return to the page we were on....however, for the
| purposes of these tests, we won't be testing anything more than the
| Setup/WritePCK functions, anyway...
| ..
| And...for that limited amount of testing...disabling ALT-E might not
| be worth the effort...
| ...
| Anyway, after these limited tests, I'm gonna dump the CORE from my HDD.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 162) Sun, Sep 18, 2005 - 2:37:08 am 
|
| Eric>
| Sometimes Alt-X screws up my connection, it seems, and makes
| me redial which costs me a new connection fee. This is minor
| except if repeated over & over & over & over ad infinitum.
| Disabling ALT-E is cause for insurgence.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 163) Sun, Sep 18, 2005 - 1:13:22 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Alt+X in-and-of-itself should not do anything to your connection.
|
| May I see a copy of the .BAT(s) you use to 'launch' Arachne ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 164) Sun, Sep 18, 2005 - 4:03:33 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, Eric that's not minor, it's a real problem and worth fixing.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 165) Sun, Sep 18, 2005 - 8:09:21 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...Maybe ALT-X is causing your connection to drop...but...are you
| certain that, when coming back from ALT-X (with your connection still
| up), you are relaunching Arachne with "arachne -r"...as instructed..???
| ...or....maybe forgetting that...<g>
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 166) Sun, Sep 18, 2005 - 9:46:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| You are supposed to restart using 'exit' and that's supposed to
| excecute 'arachne -r' automaticaly.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 167) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 12:40:28 am 
|
| gregy>
| EXIT...??? ...and THAT supposedly executes "arachne -r" automagically..
| ..???
| ...then...why doesn't it say that..i.e. "EXIT" instead of "arachne -r"
| ....???
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 168) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 2:11:07 am 
|
| Eric>
| I know theoretically ALT-X shouldn't disturb my connection,
| But in the back of my mind I "feel" the connection was disturbed
| when I used ALT-X at one time or another.  I am a "Batch file freak".
| I am always writing a new batch file for something or other. Way back
| when I first started using Arachne (ver. 1.4 ?) I setup batch files
| to clear environment, etc.  My mind isn't good enough to remember all
| the stuff I putzed with, incuding arachne.bat. It could be somewhere in 
| that chain of batch files that the connection gets disturbed. Right now,
| I am not about to try to figure it out. All I know is that I would be most
| upset if ALT-E didn't work!!!  <GGGGG> 
| BTW, 'cause of all the calls to batch files, when I am testing I try to
| start arachne with arachne.bat to by-pass them and I use "stock" oem.
| arachne.bat. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 169) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 2:18:30 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,  I think the thin air out there in B.C. is getting to Ray.
| I enter EXIT often just to check that I have ALT-Xed and didn't
| ALT-Eed accidentally. It never started up Arachne for me.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  170) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 7:29:42 am 
|
| ray>
| Oh, I meant you EXIT back into Arachne from AltE! That won't do much
| if you've AltX'ed :-) 
|
| Eric, under 4dos, there is this cool thing that lets you set your
| prompt to automaticaly show your shell level. That's the only thing
| that saves me from trying to 'start' Arachne when infact she is 
| already running and just shelled out.
|  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 171) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 7:31:15 am 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Any results from that 9Q! core, vis. arachne.pck?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 172) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 12:26:26 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  I once wrote a batch file that checked for how many 
| times command.com was loaded and told you what shell you
| were in so that you could prevent starting a second
| instance of Arachne. That sounds like a good feature in 4DOS.  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 173) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 2:11:57 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...no..have not yet tested 9Q....:(((
| ...
| Hey..!!!  I've been a tiny bit busy....<g>....didn't even pay my bills
| yet this month....<g>....
| ...
| And, I have most of them set up for PayOnline thru my CreditUnion...
| ....<g g g>
| ...Finally fired up Win3.1/NC4.08b and went and paid them today...<g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 174) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 2:16:47 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...I don't like to "not know" what level of COMMAND.COM I'm at..
| ..but (you KNEW there was a "but", didn't you...???)...I find that, if
| I actually DO try to load just "one more" time that's too many, it'll
| kick back at me automagically, and I can exit out, back to the original
| commandlevel.....<g>
| ...
| BTW...I, too, am a .BATfreak....<g g g>...I usually restrict my BATs
| to little functions that I don't wanna fully type out.....e.g.
| X.BAT - because I don't want to allatime have to type "exit", e.g.g
| U.BAT and R.BAT - because I don't wan to all the time have to type
| "arachne -u" and "arachne -r".....and...and....etc......<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 175) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 2:18:57 pm 
|
| gregy>
| So...of course, to check/exit, all I need to do is type "x<enter>" and
| it'll either exit the shelled-out COMMAND.COM or just blink and sit
| there....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 176) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 2:34:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| I figure all of us DOS freaks are a bit .batty, we like to make our
| own commands and like to be able to do things 'our' way.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 177) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 4:45:03 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| May I see a copy of the BAT you use to start Arachne ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 178) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 4:45:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Here's mine
|
| --- arr.bat ---
| @echo off
| if %cdrom%=="loaded" nwcache /u
| IF direxist l:\temp\arachne.tmp exit
| rem exit
| :continue
| IF "%ARA%"=="" GOTO ARANO
| if "%1"=="" goto err
| GOTO ARAYES
| :ARANO
| CD\1RECON
| !ARA
| :ARAYES
| rem QDPMI OFF
| C:
| CD\
| rem lh MOUSE
| CALL \EMSDSK\XMSDSK 100000 l: /c1 %4
| copy c:\command.com l:\
| IF NOT EXIST l:\command.com goto delmail
| set comspec=l:\command.com
| rem set trace=on
| md l:\temp
| set temp=l:\temp
| IF NOT EXIST l:\ARACHNE\ARACHNE.BAT PKUNZIP -d e:\ARACHNE\!AR%1.ZIP l:\
| PKUNZIP -d -o e:\ARACHNE\MAIL\!AR!MDIR.ZIP c:\
| if "%1"=="mail" PKUNZIP -d -o E:\ARACHNE\MAIL\!AR!MAIL.ZIP c:\
| rem COPY g:\graphics\JPEG6B32\DJPEG.EXE l:\ARACHNE\DJPEG32.EXE
| rem D:
| rem CD\AUDIO\CNDMIDI
| rem LH SBMIDI
| rem SBSIM
| rem CD\
| l:
| CD \ARACHNE
| rem md c:\arachne
| rem md c:\arachne\mail
| rem xcopy c:\arachne\mail\*.* l:\arachne\mail\ /s
| IF EXIST PPP.LOG CALL ARACHNE.BAT -r %2
| IF NOT EXIST PPP.LOG CALL ARACHNE.BAT %2
| C:
| :delmail
| if not "%3"=="/y" goto confirm
| del l:\arachne\!*.*
| rem xdel /drsn c:\arachne\mail
| goto xc
| :confirm
| ? del l:\arachne\!*.*
| rem xdel /drs c:\arachne\mail
| :xc
| rem xcopy l:\arachne\mail\*.* c:\arachne\mail\ /s
| rem D:
| rem CD\AUDIO\CNDMIDI
| rem SBSIM /u
| rem SBMIDI /u
| rem CD\
| C:
| rem MOUSE /r
| rem QDPMI ON
| set comspec=c:\command.com
| set temp=c:\temp
| if %cdrom%=="loaded" c:\opendos\nwcache.exe 7670 1024 /lend=on /delay=on /mu
| /e
| goto end
| :err
| echo To run !ar150b2.zip --- arrm 150b2(enter)
| pause
| dir e:\arachne\!ar*.zip /p
| pause
| :end
| if not "%3"=="/n" call c:\1batch\scanmail.bat
| if "%5"=="/killppp" call c:\1batch\killppp.bat
| if not "%3"=="/n" goto scandone
| men.bat
| :scandone
| ________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 179) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 5:07:47 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ahhh...gee, Glenn....I break all those functions up into a bunch of 
| widdle-files plus some automagical manual-processing steps....<g g g>
| ...
| I see that you, also, get your COMMAND.COM up off the HDD onto the
| RAMDisk....<g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 180) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 6:17:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Well, of-coarse I do.
|
|
| What's the point in doing RamDrive at-all
| if you're not going to do 100% RamDrive ???
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 181) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 7:26:38 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glennmcc,    It isn't just one batch file. I'm like Ray, it's
| several batch files that interact. That's part of what makes
| it interesting! <ggg> (read...confusing to debug) Remember,
| I'm completely self taught at this. I never had any computer
| classes so my batch files aren't usually as sophisticated
| as yours are.  I learn stuff from you guys every day. 
| Problem is, I also store things in the eaves in the
|  attic of my mind at about the same rate. It's sometimes
| difficult to find stuff in those eaves.....a lot of
| arachnids and webs in there! <ggggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 182) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 8:29:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glennmcc,  Here they are....install and start Arachne
| from floppy....more or less.....much not pertinant any
| more.....notice all different ver. nos.....I just rename
| new versions 177 lately instead of changing batch file
|
| ------- arad.bat ------------
|
| @echo off
| Rem arad.bat - file for running Arachne browser from D:
| dir a:
| wait
| goto skip1
| c:
| cd\ctmous16
| ctmousep 
| cd\
| :skip1
| if not .%1==.i goto return
| if .%2==.3 goto install3
| if .%2==.7 goto install7
| echo installing ara171ue.exe from disk A:
| a:
| cd\
| xcopy ara171ue.exe  d:\ /v
| goto startri
| :install3
| echo installing a17%2gplf.exe from disk A:
| a:
| cd\
| xcopy a173gplf.exe  d:\ /v
| goto startri
| :install7
| echo installing a17%2gplf.exe from disk A:
| a:
| cd\
| xcopy a177gplf.exe  d:\ /v
| :startri
| d:
| cd\
| call ri.bat %2
| goto hangup
| :return
| d:
| cd\arachne
| if not exist arachne.bat goto noprgrm
| call arachne
| goto hangup
| :return2
| call arachne -r
| :hangup
| echo Do you wish to hangup modem  or  would you rather return to Arachne ?
| echo Press  R  to return to Archne  or  Press  H  to hang up with normal exi
| echo Press  Q  to abort Archne  or  Press  X  to hang up with normal exit
| :gtky
| getkey
| if errorlevel 72 if not errorlevel 73 goto endn
| if errorlevel 81 if not errorlevel 82 goto endabort
| if errorlevel 82 if not errorlevel 83 goto return
| if errorlevel 88 if not errorlevel 89 goto endn
| if errorlevel 120 if not errorlevel 121 goto endn
| echo Did you use a capital letter?
| goto gtky
| :endn
| if exist ppp.log echo ppp.log exists ... Running 'arachne -u' to terminate
| SLIP/PPP connection.
| echo Running 'arachne -u' to terminate SLIP/PPP connection.
| Rem pause
| if exist ppp.log arachne -u
| echo Removing environment variables.
| Rem wait
| rem xcopy d:\cache\*.*  c:\arachne\cache\ /v
| SET MYIP=
| SET REMIP=
| SET NETMASK=
| SET PEERMRU=
| echo Arachne closed normally
| goto endf
| :noprgrm
| echo Arachne doesn't exist on ram drive
| echo Insert start-up disk in drive A:
| echo Then at prompt enter [arad i version[1 or 3]]
| goto endf
| :endabort
| echo Exited Arachne by abort - modem may still be online.
| echo Environment variables still active
| echo Enter arachne -u to hang up modem.
| :endf
| Rem arad.bat - file for running Arachne browser
|
| ------------------
|
| rem install arachne on ramdisk - RI.BAT
| rem a:
| rem xcopy archn170.exe d:\ /v
| echo installing a17%1
| pause
| d:
| cd\
| if .%1==.3 goto start3
| if .%1==.7 goto start7
| :start1
| echo running ara171ue.exe
| ara171ue.exe
| goto starta
| :start3
| echo installing a17%1gplf.exe from disk A:
| a173gplf.exe
| goto starta
| :start7
| echo installing a17%1gplf.exe from disk A:
| a177gplf.exe
| :starta
| echo installing saved files
| pause
| cd\arachne
| rename arachne.cfg arachne0.cfg
| rename mime.cfg mime0.cfg
| xcopy c:\a167\initf\*.*  d:\arachne\ /v
| rem xcopy c:\arachne\hotlist.htm  d:\arachne\ /v   < c:\enter.rsp
| xcopy a:\hotlist.htm  d:\arachne\ /v   < c:\enter.rsp
| xcopy a:\htlst.htm  d:\arachne\ /v   < c:\enter.rsp
| rename arachnem.cfg arachne.cfg
| echo running arachne with command [arachne}
| pause
| arachne
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 183) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 9:18:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeww, heavy duty stuff.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 184) Mon, Sep 19, 2005 - 9:36:53 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Looking at your https2http toggle: What is going on with these
| 0,1,2,3 values? AFAICT in Joe's code, there seems to be nothing
| more going on that a simple ON/OFF of the flag to idicate either
| "http://" or "https://" so what's with the added complexity?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 185) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 2:55:02 am 
|
| vbm>
| hmmm, I using a.bat for start arachne and eee.bat for exit from dos
| sessions.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 186) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 6:12:52 am 
|
| gregy>
| --------X.BAT--------------
| @echo off
| REM for exiting from DOS sessions
| exit
| -----endBAT------------
|
| <g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 187) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 6:30:53 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,  I'll match your x.bat and raise you a cm.bat! <ggg>
|
| rem x.bat - command to return from DOS shell
| exit
|
| rem x.bat - command to return from DOS shell
|
| -------------
| Rem cm.bat - clears Arachne mail inbox
| d:
| cd\arachne\mail
| del *.cnm
| dir
| Rem cm.bat - clears Arachne mail inbox
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 188) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 7:20:57 am 
|
| ray>
| Ah, but there's one thing better than .bat files and that's
| using ANSI.SYS to make key asignments. I don't need an x.bat 'cause
| that's what F2 does when I'm at the command line.
|
| That cnm.bat looks nice.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 189) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 7:24:19 am 
|
| Eric>
| Hey Guys,  Just a thought.....how about a number adjacent
| to each icon on mail.htm page to indicate the number of
| that type of entrys/files? eg. # of emails in inbox
| Anyone else think that would be convenient?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 190) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 1:22:33 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I was going to do that with my little 'CNM/TBS' indicator down
| on the bottom right, which is visible all the time. I ran into a
| hitch, it's doable, but it would slow things down. Maybe I should do
| it anyway.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 191) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 4:28:44 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| If you CD to the Arachne dir and simply run arachne.bat .... does your
| connection stay 'intact' after Alt+X and the running arachne.bat again ?
|
| If so....
| The problem is somewhere in your batch files  / not in Arachne herself.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 192) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 5:09:18 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| What about that toggle code?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 193) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 6:00:02 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Don't bother spending any time on that....
|
| It's being scrapped in about 15 min
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 194) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 6:50:48 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...Glenn....I just (after reading 191):
| 1.  Pressed ESC (which dropped me to the commandline, with the standard
| "yada, yada, type "arachne -r" or "arachne -u"...etc
| 2.  Did "X<enter>" (to make sure I was at the ORIGINAL commandline).
| 3.  Since pressing ESC dropped me to the commandline at the X:\ARACHNE
| prompt (meaning I was IN the operating arachne directory), I didn't
| need to return to that directory.
| 4.  Typed "arachne<enter" (NOTE - no "-r" or "-u" arguments, or any
| others).
| 5.  Was returned directly do my last page (this one) with my connection
| still active and accessible...
| 6.  Typed and Posted this message on the original connection.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 195) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 7:07:31 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I've played with that ANSI.SYS but I always found it
| confusing.  I use Basic and batch files 'cause that's what
| I know best and find simplest. I subscribe to that old
| adage KISS !  With the old 8088 batch files were kind of
| slow... but with these fast 386s they work as fast as I
| can think !
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 196) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 7:12:23 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,  I just ALT-Xd and Arachned also with the same results.
| So why the parameter "-r" ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 197) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 7:22:10 pm 
|
| ray>
| Really? I thought that was a great idea, infact I wanted to expand it
| to make it possible to toggle any Y/N flag. I thought that the
| apropriate key like CTRL+T would bring up an html page that showed the
| setting of all the toggles and then let you click to change any of
| them. So what's wrong with your two toggles? Mind I can implement
| that in my code with one line per toggle, no need for functions.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 198) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 8:01:17 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glennmcc,  I never directly said "the problem is in Arachne".
| I'm sure it's in my batch files...if there is a problem.
| But with ALT-E my batch files never get called .... so...
| then any chance for a "batch glitch" is circumvented. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 199) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 8:05:20 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   That toggle page sounds like an interesting
| concept.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 200) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 8:20:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| There's no doubt that ANSII commands are about as intimidating as
| they could be, but once you get used to them they are so powerful.
| A very simple example:
|
| add: devicehigh ansii.sys to your config.sys then try this:
|
| echo *[0;60;"@exit"13p
|
| ... where the asterisk is itself ASCII 27 (hold down ALT then numeric
| '27') ... it will then turn your F2 key into the "exit" command.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 201) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 8:21:40 pm 
|
| ray>
| Did I mean 'ANSI'? ... yes: American National Standards Institute --
| no double 'I' that's ASCII.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 202) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 8:55:51 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...we were speculating just above, on "What their (Canucks') problem
| was..??
| ..
| It ain't "their" problem....it's Ray has been deep-diving without a
| lung, again.....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 203) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 8:57:10 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ....:P~~~~~~~~~
| ...
| ...
| couldn't resist, Ray.....<g g g>
| ..
| but, I'm gonna hafta stop...'cause you're too placid...you don't 
| harass back worth a toot...<g g g>
| ..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 204) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 8:58:04 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Must be the Mailman in ya....used to taking abuse....<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 205) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 10:08:10 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, that's what they all say until we go POSTAL ;-)
|
| But as we just saw above my spelling is soooo bad that I even get
| acronyms wrong.  Speaking of bugs, I think I found one:
|
|
|     }                                                              
|     x_cleardev(); // Clear the screen.                             
|   }                                                                
|   else                                                             
|   {                                                                
|     if (plus)                                                      
|     {                                                              
|       if (!strncmpi(sArachne.graphics, "VESA.X", 6))               
|         *ptr = 'B';                 // B ==  640 x 480 x 256c      
|       Eif (*ptr == 'B') *ptr = 'C'; // C ==  800 x 600 x 256c      
|       Eif (*ptr == 'C') *ptr = 'E'; // E == 1024 x 768 x 256c      
|                                     // I ==  640 x 480 x HiColor   
|       Eif (*ptr == 'I') *ptr = 'J'; // J ==  800 x 600 x HiColor   
|       Eif (*ptr == 'J') *ptr = 'K'; // K == 1024 x 768 x HiColor   
|     }                               // (see X_LOPIF.H)             
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 206) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 10:11:26 pm 
|
| ray>
| Now as far as I can see, the ".X" setting is invalid. It is set in
| the graphics init. page in repsonce to the "256K 640x480" graphics
| choice, but my reading of x_lopif.h is that the correct setting
| should be "A", not ".X". Thoughts?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 207) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 10:15:49 pm 
|
| ray>
| Furthermore, the logic above would indicate that the next decrease
| in resolution below "B" would be "A" and that is exactly the setting
| that has the next lower resolution, i.e. 640x480 16 color.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 208) Tue, Sep 20, 2005 - 11:50:45 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| line numbers 86 and 87 of x_revga.c in the lopif SRCs
|
|
| //if(i == 10 && Inx == 23)  // 9804: 640x400 VESA.X
| if(Inx == 23)  // 9810: 640x400 VESA.X, REALTEK.X, ...
|
| As we see.... X==640x400
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 209) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 3:44:11 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    I assume when you say "w/o a lung" you mean
| w/o a tank. <ggg>  Or do you thinks Ray is walking around
| hypoxic because he screwed up one lung on his last foolish
| solo venture into "the deep".  I was talking to a friend who
| told me her daughter/daughter-in-law dives down to ship wrecks
| here in the Great Lakes. I've always found that intriguing.
| BTW, I just came across the issue of Sports Illistrated with
| the article on free diving where the woman trying for a world
| record of 500 plus feet deep, died.  I was spell-bound by that
| article. I couldn't put it down until I finished it. If anyone's
| interested I could scrounge up what issue that was in. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 210) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 3:54:01 am 
|
| Eric>
| OK Ray,   So now F2 is EXIT..... how in Hades do I get it
| back to default SAVE ??
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 211) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 7:38:56 am 
|
| <WTF>
| The same way you get back your 'O' for options.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 212) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 8:05:34 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...just wave the magic wand, and chant the proper incantation,..
| ..and voila..!!
| ...
| <gg g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 213) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 10:01:59 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    I tried that magic wand bit. I inserted the wand,
| and wagged my fanny, and believe me, I really chanted, but
| F2 is still stuck on EXIT.  And....I'm still as tense as ever! <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  214) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 10:02:00 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    I tried that magic wand bit. I inserted the wand,
| and wagged my fanny, and believe me, I really chanted, but
| F2 is still stuck on EXIT.  And....I'm still as tense as ever! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  215) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 10:17:09 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Sorry man, the change is permanent, it re-burns the EPROM in
| your machine and that can't be undone :-(
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 216) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 10:22:33 am 
|
| ray>
| Just kidding.
|
| Try "(ESC)[0;60;0;60p"
|
| Where ESC as before is ASCII #27
|
| The same form can be used to turn off any key asignments, eg.
|
| ESC[0;59;059p would restore F1 to it's normal state.
|
| BTW, most programs will ignore ANSI sets when they are running, so
| that these sets are only active at the command prompt and the program
| will use the fuction keys are per normal when they are running.
| For the odd program that isn't so smart, I have a .bat named
| 'keys-off.bat' that cancels all my ANSI stuff for the duration of
| that program then 'keys.bat' restores everything.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 217) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 10:27:10 am 
|
| ray>
| Just incase your thinking of fooling around with ANSI, here's my
| key sets:
|
| : ^|
|      echo  [28;" | list /s"13p
|
| : F1 Note that `echo [0;59;"@echo y | ";3p' won't work to quit `go.bat'
|           :because input goes to "e" (gencad) then "c" cdrom.
|      :echo  [0;59;3p                          
|      echo  [0;59;"arach"13p                          
| : F2 "exit"
|      echo  [0;60;"@exit"13p
|
| : F3 4dos stock line completion function
|      echo  [0;61;0;61p
|      
| : F4 Move 4dos "F10" = next in the file name completion list to F4
|           : echo [0;62;0;68p                  
|           : below works only with nansi.sys
|      
|      echo  [0;62;11;0;72;13p     
|
| : F5 Change to \boot directory
|      echo  [0;63;"sl cdd c:\boot"13p
|
| : F6 Change to  system directory
|      echo  [0;64;"sl cdd v:\"13p
|
| : F7 Run 7.bat from X:\
|      echo  [0;65;"x:\7.bat"13p                                       
|
| : F8 Run 8.bat in current directory
|      echo  [0;66;".\8.bat"13p                                          
|
| : F9 TYPES ENVIRONMENT STRING "Fkey9" SET BY <ALT, F9> (see below).
|
| : F10 Write "for" string
|      echo  [0;68;"for %%a in (*.*) "p
|
| : F11 Write text search string (Note how "" marks are included in literal 
|           : string as '34;34;' and how cursor is moved to the left with
|           : '75;0'.
|      
|      echo  [0;133;"mt -rt4kc-b- *.* "34;34;0;75;p
|
| : F12 Write "*.*"
|      echo  [0;134;"*.* "p
|
|           : ALT FUNCTION KEY RE_ASIGNMENTS:
|
|           : ALT F1
|           : echo [0;104;"release^mark"13p
|
| : ALT F7 EDIT 7.BAT
|      echo  [0;110;"e x:\7.bat"13p                 
|
| : ALT F8 EDIT 8.BAT
|      echo  [0;111;"e .\8.bat"13p
|
| : ALT F9 CALL "SETFKEY9.BAT" WHICH SETS ENV. STRING "Fkey9" AND SETS "F9" KE
|      echo  [0;112;"setfkey9.bat"13p
|
|      
| : ALT ARROW RE-ASSIGNMENTS: (NB "next" won't drop to subdir but will
| :                          (   "climb out" when at last subdir. 
|
| echo [0;152;"sl *cd.."13p               
| echo [0;160;"sl down"13p             
|           : Left arow must 'popd' twice because sl now calls 'pushd'.
| echo [0;155;"sl popd^popd"13p                   
| echo [0;157;"sl next"13p            
|
| :ALT M = swap monitors.
|      echo  [0;50;"monitor"13p
|
| quit     
|      
| to restore a key use "echo [0;65;0;65p" or "echo [0;65;""p"
|
| At the 4dos command line ` e[0;59;"exit r"p ' sets f1 to type exit
| and then return.  Note the up arrow sign followed by "e" duplicates
| the escape character " ", and ` "exit r"p ' duplicates ` "exit"13p '.
|                       
| TO WRITE A STRING TO THE COMMAND LINE:
| you can use F9 as above, or note the following:
| "echo [0;67"howdy!"p" to set the key then:
| "keystack @67" to write the string to the command line.
| The above works in a batch file, but only as the last line.
| If there are other commands, the keystack string is passed to them without
| ever showing the command line to you.
|
| If you want to write an interactive string to the command line from within
| a batch file, the format is:
|
| keystack ....
| input %%somevariable
| %somevariable
|
| 'Keystack' sends the string you want to 'input', which then waits for you to
| modify it (or not) and once you press 'enter', the finished string is then
| 'run' by the '%somevarible' line.  See textcopy.btm for an example.  Keystac
| alone can't be made to wait for user modification.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 218) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 10:30:40 am 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Pending hearing back from you on those toggles, I'll leave them out
| for now, but I still think it should be persued.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 219) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 10:56:43 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope.... it's not.
|
| My idea for those toggles was a bad one to begin with.... it's time to kill 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 220) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 11:28:53 am 
|
| ray>
| Why?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 221) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 12:29:52 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Thanks Ray,   I saved those ansi posts. Some of that looks
| familiar. I have played with it a little at one time but
| not recently.
|
| Glennmcc,   What's wrong with the toggle page idea?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 222) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 1:50:10 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The toggles Ray and I arefering to are the ones I added to toggle
| Https2Http and IgnoreJS on-and-off via hotkeys instead of going to
| opt_misc.ah
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 223) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 1:51:01 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Those were a bad idea and I'm killing them for the next release.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 224) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 2:36:10 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| It's your project of course so you have the last word, but I'd
| consider it a courtesy if you'd explain what's wrong with it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 225) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 2:53:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| If you toggle either one of them... as soon as anything happens to
| reload the arachne.cfg settings.... you gotta toggle it back the other
| way again.
|
| It would take some extensive work and higher memory requirements in the
| end to make them 'sticky'.
|
| ie: we'de need to add code that would update the CFG when we hit the
| toggle button.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 226) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 2:56:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Since only 2 users requested that they wanted these toggles.... it ain't
| worth adding that stuff just to accomodate 2 users.
|
| If those 2 users want a 'custom compile'..... that's why the SRC code is
| available and that's why this thing is now GPL.
|
| You want it... you got... customize it yourself.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 227) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 2:59:12 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And since I already did most of the work.... all they need to do is D/L
| the 1.85 SRC code..... download the 1.87 SRC code when it's available...
| paste the toggle stuff from 1.85 into 1.87... recompile and go.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 228) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 3:26:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| There we go.... done.
|
| It's all deleted from my current SRC code.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 229) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 3:49:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| 3 new optional settings added to opt_misc.ah
|
| Show Bytes/Sec during file downloads 
|
| Wait till page D/L done to display 
|
| Warn before clearing Cache 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 230) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 3:53:36 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| F8 will do this when the warning feature is enabled.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/warn_clr.htm
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 231) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 5:19:29 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yes, I see the point. However, just to kick it around, I rather
| thought that the toggles would be quite pointedly just for that
| session -- that if you wanted a permanent change you should make
| it properly, so I'd say that's a feature, not a bug. Mind since
| there are several places where the .cfg is updated/reloaded, 
| (IIRC ProcessForm()), then it follows that the toggle would, as you
| say, keep slipping, which would be a pain in the but.
| OTOH I see this a just an add hoc way of coping with some nasty
| page in real time, so the slip might not be such a bad thing.
| Infact, just brainstorming here, it might be best if it *only*
| stayed on for the page in question and popped back to the default
| after the JS-buggered page was loaded, see what I'm thinking?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 232) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 6:17:46 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The problem is that it goes back to the CFG value upon converting any
| JPGs on the current page to BMP
|
| Therefore it must be toggeld-back after the images are done.
|
| That defeats its entire purpose if it needs to be turned-on for this
| page to enable its original purpose.... stopping that 'verfying images loop'
| due to one of those images being in an https link.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 233) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 6:21:55 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And it's even worse if the page in question needs ignoreJS toggled to be
| opposite from the CFG value to prevent a crash.
|
| Toggle IgnoreJS... hit load images... it gets put back to CFG value..... CRA
| !!! 
|
| Or on an https image.
|
| Toggle Https2Http... hit load images... it gets toggled to CFG value.... STU
| IN LOOP !!!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 234) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 6:56:55 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, Glennmcc,   My biggest complaint with W$doze is that it keeps on
| changing "automagically" so that the response to any particular keystroke/
| mouse input isn't always the same. One can't tell if the computer has 
| picked up a bug or if W$doze has just switched its skin like a chameleon.
| So, toggles that toggle themselves can be agravating. OTOH, auto-toggling
| that is consistant and always behaves the same can sometimes be advantageous
| if the user knows it's going to happen. The only way to tell
| good from bad is to try it.  And sometimes things you don't like at first,
| grow on you. All guinea pigs don't spin the wheel clockwise....some like to
| spin it counter-clockwise. However, the need to compile a new core may turn
| off a lot of users.      
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   235) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 7:02:21 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glennmcc,  the way you describe it does sound like it behaves badly
| and could cause much irritation.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  236) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 7:38:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:" the need to compile a new core may turn off a lot of users."
|
| Maybe, maybe not.
|
| Literally millions of users world-wide re-compile their Linux kernel
| to suit their needs.
|
| In addition..... literally millions of Linux programs are not available
| in pre-compiled from. Instead, the user downloads the SRC code and then
| must compile the finished binary with their selected optional features
| before they can even test it to see if they want to continue using it.
|
| Even with this need-to-compile-before-it-can-be-run requirement....
|
| Linux is continueing to gain popularity.
|
| GPL has now made this same thing available with Arachne.
|
| The SRC code is now freely available and anyone who needs it
| has but to ask and we can send them the compiler.
|
| All users who might want to do so can now compile core.exe themselves
| with whatever optional features they might want.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 237) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 8:20:44 pm 
|
| ray>
| Working backwards: Rodger that vis compiling! Even given it's other
| problems, one of the insurmountable hurdles that proprietary software
| like W$ has is that the kernel must come with most things that normal
| users might want, and even where you can add and subtract features,
| that is done at the DLL level, which is far less efficient than
| simply making a custom build.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 238) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 8:26:18 pm 
|
| ray>
| As to the toggles, I now see the problem more clearly, however their
| might just be an answer in my code ....
|
|
| CONFIG.DAT :-)))))
|
|
| With 'useconfigdat Y' the keywords are not reread on restarting
| so it would be a piece of cake to have any toggled values retained.
| As you can see in my .bat, it's optional to delete config.dat on
| cold restart, which forces a reread of the .cfg, but even that is
| up to ones choice.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 239) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 8:26:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And it's one hell-of-a-lot more fun making a custom build. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 240) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 8:28:14 pm 
|
| ray>
| As to the https loop, I have a breakout hack to prevent a hang there,
| but (anticipating what Eric just said), I'd rather have it convert
| to/from https automagicaly and then retry. Check it out, it wouldn't
| be too hard to do.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 241) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 8:38:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW, today looking at ChangeZoom ... Oh I forgot, thanks for the
| clarification vis. the ".X" setting, x_lopif.h is less than complete
| it seems ... I see that whereas screen resolution can be changed,
| color depth can not.  Why? Couldn't we make it so that one could
| +/- minus ones way cross both resolutions and color depth?
|
| And that reminds me why I was there in the first place. I was 
| integrating your 'maxres' code and over the day it occured to me
| that it might just be possible to do the same thing without
| needing a user to check against going out of range.  The x_lopif
| function that does the work, can return a value indicating 
| failure, now if ConfigureGraphics() was changed to return that
| value back to ChangeZoom(), that should be all it would take.
| If I had an old videocard installed I'd check it out myself.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 242) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 8:38:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That one's not too bad an idea. <g>
|
| Any comments on ... post #230 ???
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 243) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 9:32:16 pm 
|
| ray>
| It would certainly be effective, but I still feel that a double key
| would be a whole lot simpler and faster and probably just as secure.
| What are the odds of hitting Alt+F8 or some other double key
| by accident? Besides, the only other decent way is as you suggest,
| but that adds another file -- beware creaping bloat -- and finaly,
| it is a bit windozy IMO.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 244) Wed, Sep 21, 2005 - 9:33:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| G'nite
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 245) Thu, Sep 22, 2005 - 4:01:21 am 
|
| Eric>
| Glennmcc,    Re: post #230.....What do the bottom 2 buttons
| do....If click on them does the cache get cleared?
| Why are they needed ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 246) Thu, Sep 22, 2005 - 4:26:52 am 
|
| Eric>
| RE: #230........Where does "go back after clear cash" go back to?
| I would expect to remain on the page I was on when I pressed
| the "clear cache" button.  Why would I particularly want to
| go to home page?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 247) Thu, Sep 22, 2005 - 5:59:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:"What are the odds of hitting Alt+F8 or some other double key by accident
|
| There is a very great chance of hitting Alt+F8 by mistake because it's
| right next to Alt+F7 which I hit many times each day to go to Google.
|
| ---------- e:guievent.c
| [1272]   if(key==0x6e00)//Alt+F7 - search engine
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 248) Thu, Sep 22, 2005 - 6:07:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| "Cancel" will simply take you back to where you were when you hit F8
|
| The "Go to 'Home page'"
| button simply takes you to where ever you have set as your 'home page'
| in arachne.cfg
|
| The default is set to..... 
|
| HomePage http://arachne.cz/
|
| "Go back after hitting clear cache" button goes back to whatever page you
| were on when you hit F8
|
| None one of those 3 buttons clears the cache
|
| Only the "Clear cache" button will clear the cache.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 249) Thu, Sep 22, 2005 - 6:11:29 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Is this a little simpler ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 250) Thu, Sep 22, 2005 - 9:24:23 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Re AltF8, ok, but I wasn't meaning that key specificaly, I just
| picked that out at random, but a safe key combo could be found.
| I like the idea of reserving perhapst the CTRL+? combinations
| for dangerous things, but this is all speculative, my only point is
| that some safe, deliberate key combo could easily be found.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 251) Thu, Sep 22, 2005 - 9:41:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Good idea.
|
| Hmmmmm, 
|
| Perhaps Ctrl+Alt+Delete <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 252) Thu, Sep 22, 2005 - 10:19:45 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmmmm, maybe Ctlr+Alt+F8!  It's easy enough. 
| BTW, have you played around with Joe's core? I'm looking at his
| breakout stuff now and it looks like it will do the job, it's a sort
| of built in TSR. I'll see if I can add some MALOCERR stuff to it so
| that it give a useful message too.
|
| BTW Joe, you are quite right about the copyright message, I shouldn't
| have cut that.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 253) Thu, Sep 22, 2005 - 11:31:42 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Bye Guys,   Gone for a day or two.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 254) Fri, Sep 23, 2005 - 2:10:04 am 
|
| vbm>
| Hi, All.
|
| I see here dissicuss keys... would be nice making instead or by choosing 
| ^C, ^V, ^X using - Ctrl+Insert, Shift+Insert, Ctrl+Delete?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 255) Fri, Sep 23, 2005 - 2:21:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| Vladimir,
|
| Yes, soon we will get to work on this alternate keyboard.
| BTW, did you see that discussion some days ago about commenting out
| that "unlink(mpArachnePick)" so as to see if that fixed the
| problem of deleting the .pck at the wrong time?  Please try that
| out and see if it helps with that problem when you install.
| It's in init.c.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 256) Fri, Sep 23, 2005 - 2:22:31 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy was supposed to check that out too but ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 257) Fri, Sep 23, 2005 - 5:52:20 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW, hows things on the freelist? Has it picked up the traffic from
| the coollist?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 258) Fri, Sep 23, 2005 - 7:03:08 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Not yet.
|
| Just a few more messages ... none of which concern Arachne herself .
|
| http://www.freelists.org/archives/arachne/09-2005/
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 259) Fri, Sep 23, 2005 - 8:37:15 pm 
|
| ray>
| Thanks, I forgot you could scan those archives.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 260) Fri, Sep 23, 2005 - 9:47:13 pm 
|
| gregy>
| yes, gregy has been remiss....<g g g>
| ..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 261) Sat, Sep 24, 2005 - 8:55:40 am 
|
| ray>
| Well snap to it soldier ;-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 262) Mon, Sep 26, 2005 - 10:03:56 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Did you sort out that bug with my code not going to the options page?
| Reason I ask is that I'd like your help with my popget stuff.  As I
| mentioned, I've got a 'continue in case of timeout' thing there and
| an impoved ESC function that will delete any susessfull downloaded mail,
| but I want a 'skip over this' and a 'delete this' option to, but 
| I figure that should cal an HTML page and ... <:-(
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 263) Tue, Sep 27, 2005 - 2:55:57 am 
|
| vbm>
| Hi, All...
|
| Ray, re: msg #255 commenting unlink - no fixed bug with pck...
| poka.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 264) Tue, Sep 27, 2005 - 4:22:52 am 
|
| Eric>
| Strange that activity on the boards coincides with return
| of Coollist.  Is there some form of psychic/electronic
| connection?  An empathy of sorts?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 265) Tue, Sep 27, 2005 - 7:13:39 am 
|
| ray>
| Vladimir,
|
| Ah well, is there something that can be done in the setup.bat?
| Some:
|
| if not exist arachne.pck
| copy arachne.pc1 arachne.pck 
|
| or something easy like that? I think the install.exe is perhaps
| doing something that could be easily fixed.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 266) Tue, Sep 27, 2005 - 2:26:43 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yes, these rythmic things are quite interesting.  Have you ever looked
| into the 'Global Conciousness Project'? Facinating stuff.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 267) Tue, Sep 27, 2005 - 8:38:09 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hey Vladimir, I deleted your last email by accident, please resend.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 268) Tue, Sep 27, 2005 - 8:45:33 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    That 'Global Conciousness Project' sounds familiar. I have
| friends who are deeply immersed in such things. They are always
| reading books such as "Conversations with God" and "The Celestine
| Prophecy" and "Jonathan Livingston Seagull". Their favorite comment is
| "There is no such thing as an accident!".
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  269) Tue, Sep 27, 2005 - 8:52:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| The cool thing about the GCP is how un-flakey it is. No airy-fairy
| new age stuff at all, this is brutaly hard science. The analysis of
| their data comes complete with a very thorough introduction to
| statistical mathematics that is worth the read by itself.
|
| Anyway, it's good to have the coollist back :-)
|
| BTW I've finished integrating Joes 183C1 code which is supposed to
| be up to the 183 mark with Glenn's as well, next I'll double check
| that then I'll upload a provisional 6-a. The breakout code is
| stinkin' marvelous for a developer.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 270) Tue, Sep 27, 2005 - 9:11:41 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   What is this "breakout code"?
| As I'm writing this I am getting so bombarded with Zone Alarm pop ups
| warning me of attacks that I can't hardly get this done.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  271) Tue, Sep 27, 2005 - 9:42:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Joe,
|
| I have just now completed 'melding' your 1.85j1 changes into my SRCs
|
| You did some great work there dude. :))
| Since I had already dumped my idea of the time remaining section...
|
| The only thing I did not decide to use was your changes to the
| file download progress indicator.
|
| Everthing else you did is now in this fresh compile of v1.87
|
| BRB with the code in question.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 272) Tue, Sep 27, 2005 - 9:57:01 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| --- in http.c ---
|
| void Download(struct HTTPrecord *cache)
| {
|  long fpos=0;
|  char dl[80],str[80];
|  int rd=1, prc=0;
|
| //!!glennmcc: Nov 17, 2004 -- include bytes/sec rate
| long starttime=(int)(time(NULL)), elapsedtime=0, lastsec=0, bytesec=0;
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
|  if(cache->handle!=-1)
|   fpos=a_filelength(cache->handle);
|
|  while(rd>0)
|  {
| #ifdef POSIX
|   rd=tickhttp(cache,p->buf,socknum);
| #else
|   rd=tickhttp(cache,p->buf,socket);
| #endif
|   fpos+=rd;
|
|   strcpy(dl,MSG_DOWNLD);
|
| #ifndef POSIX
|   if (!sock_dataready(socket ) || rd==0)
|   {
| #endif
|    if (cache->knowsize && cache->size>0)
|    {
|     prc=(int)(100*fpos/cache->size);
|
| //!!glennmcc: Nov 17, 2004 -- include bytes/sec rate
| //!!glennmcc: Aug 20, 2005 -- restore original MSG_X_of_Y for use by 2nd ima
| //during parallel image download & use MSG_X_of_Y_byte for the 1st image onl
| elapsedtime=(int)(time(NULL))-(int)(starttime);
| if(elapsedtime>lastsec && prc<=99 &&
|  strstr(configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"UseByteSec",NULL),"Y"))
| {
|  lastsec++;
|  bytesec=fpos/lastsec;
| }
|  sprintf(str,MSG_X_OF_Y_byte,dl,fpos,cache->size,bytesec);
|
| if(lastsec==0 || prc>99 ||
| !strstr(configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"UseByteSec",NULL),"Y"))
| sprintf(str,MSG_X_OF_Y,dl,fpos,cache->size);//original line
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
|     outs(str);
|
| _________________
|
|
| --- in messages.h ---
|
| //!!glennmcc: Nov 17, 2004 -- include bytes/sec rate
| #define MSG_X_OF_Y_byte "%s%ld of %ld bytes, %ld bytes/sec)"
| //!!glennmcc: Aug 19, 2005 -- restore original MSG_X_of_Y for use by 2nd ima
| //during parallel image download & use MSG_X_of_Y_byte for the 1st image onl
| #define MSG_X_OF_Y "%s%ld of %ld bytes ) ..."
|
| _____________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 273) Tue, Sep 27, 2005 - 10:03:44 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yes Ray.... what is this 'breakout code' you mention ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 274) Tue, Sep 27, 2005 - 10:10:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| Well, you've got it too if you have all Joes stuff, it's just the
| Ctrl+Alt+Esc breakout key for when you are stuck in some loop.
| Works great and will save me at least one whole lot of bother.
| Hooked up with my function trace stuff it will be possible to quickly
| find where any hangup might have occured which should help us
| track down any remaining bugs in short order.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 275) Tue, Sep 27, 2005 - 10:12:33 pm 
|
| ray>
| And think of the benefit to our testers, who risk having to 
| reboot and reload the program into ramdisk. With this, you can
| always break out without needing to reboot. Eric and Gregy should
| love it.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 276) Tue, Sep 27, 2005 - 10:37:32 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I can't find anything for ctrl+alt+esc
|
| Where is it ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 277) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 3:41:20 am 
|
| vbm>
| Hi, All.
|
| Ray, re msg#265 it' sole by adding to begin setup.bat 
| set ARACHNETEMP=%TEMP%\
|
| poka.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 278) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 3:46:43 am 
|
| vbm>
| sorry for misprints. here don't know when lost connect..  ;-)))))
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 279) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 3:29:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn, 
|
| I used Joes 183C1 code, in which it is found in misc.c. If you
| are using the old code version, if memory serves it would be found
| in int09.c, but I haven't checked.
|
| Vladimir,
|
| Well that is simple. But did you try moving 'set ARACHNETEMP ...'
| lines to the top of arachne.bat like this:
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 280) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 3:32:15 pm 
|
| ray>
|
| ARACHNE.BAT
|
| set CORE=RAY << Ignore this.
|
| @echo off > NUL
| break=off > NUL
|
| set ARACHNETEMP=%TEMP%\
| if (%ARACHNETEMP%)==() goto noarachnetemp
|
| if (%1) == (-u) goto termin
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 281) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 3:34:07 pm 
|
| ray>
| My thinking is that this makes sure that ARACHNETEMP is set before
| starting setup, so it should be ok, please let me know if it works, 
| because it is nice to keep all changes to one batchfile.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 282) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 6:14:12 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| That explains why I did not find it.
|
| As I said, "...completed 'melding' your 1.85j1 changes into my SRCs..."
|
|
| I'll look for it in int09.c from the earlier stuff.
|
| BRB
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 283) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 6:19:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Got it.
|
| --- in int09.c ----
|
| //!!JdS 2004/11/30 {
|     case ESCSCAN      : if ((peekb(0x40,0x17) & 0x0C) == 0x0C && // Ctl-Alt-
|     peekb(g_InDosSeg,g_InDosOfs) == 0)  // Exit if DOS ready
| {
|   OldKeyboard();
|   ReleaseAltTab();  // just to be sure
|                           exit(Terminate_Arachne(EXIT_ABNORMAL));
|                         }
| break;
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
| I'll recompile and test it.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 284) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 6:22:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| Sounds like you'd better go over the 183 stuff seperately, you
| might have missed something else, anyway the breakout code it
| the best of it IMHO.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 285) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 6:24:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| On the flip side of the coin, I've got to wait for clean code '185'
| stuff that you've already got ;-(
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 286) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 6:36:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I just created a test page.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/sitestat.htm
| (includes an 'https linked' image)
|
| Visit with these 2 settings....
|
| LoadImages Yes
| Https2Httpp No
|
| I was in the continueous 'Verifying images loop' and had to do a clold reboo
|
| Ctrl+Alt+Esc did nothing at-all.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 287) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 6:38:35 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oops, keybounce gave me 2 Ps instead of 1... make that 'Https2Http No'
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 288) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 8:15:15 pm 
|
| ray>
| Page looks fine here, and breaks out fine with those settings.
| However there are no images that I can see.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 289) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 8:16:53 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yup, it's fine, no loop lock, no trouble with breakout.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 290) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 8:19:34 pm 
|
| ray>
| OH, there it is -- that little 'checked' 4.01 thingy. Hmmm should that
| load automaticaly? I had to press INSERT.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 291) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 8:22:49 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oppps, I had it in cache so it reloaded as previously, after killing
| cache, it loads with the image OK.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 292) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 8:32:26 pm 
|
| ray>
| One way to test that breakout is just to put a 'while(1);' in your
| code any old where.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 293) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 9:04:05 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That don't catch nothin' but an 'artificial loop'
|
| You need to test it in 'the real world'.
|
| The page I linked you to... http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/sitestat.htm
|
| Has the image speced as...
| https://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/images/valid-html401.png
|
| With autoload of images on and https2http off... the loop will occur
| because the image will try to load err_url.ah
|
| "Unknown protocol in URL"
|
| Try visiting with image off and https2http off and then 'rightclick' on
| the image itself.
|
| "Unknown protocol in URL" is all you should get.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 294) Thu, Sep 29, 2005 - 2:32:45 am 
|
| vbm>
| Hi, All.
|
| Ray, re:msg#280.  if you meant this:
|
| @echo off > NUL
| break=off > NUL
| set ARACHNETEMP=%TEMP%\
| if (%1) == (-u) goto termin
| if not (%1) == () goto continue
| if not exist core.exe goto noexe
| if not exist arachne.cfg setup.bat
| if not exist arachne.pck setup.bat
| ...
| da, this works too.
|
| poka.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 295) Thu, Sep 29, 2005 - 2:35:46 am 
|
| vbm>
| Ray, have you received email where I'm sending function  for kb mb?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 296) Thu, Sep 29, 2005 - 7:19:27 am 
|
| ray>
| Vladimir,
|
| Yes, that's what I meant, my .bat is always changing so it didn't
| look right.
|
| da, I have your function and should have time to look today.
|
| poka
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 297) Thu, Sep 29, 2005 - 8:03:16 am 
|
| vbm>
| spasibo, Ray.  ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 298) Thu, Sep 29, 2005 - 4:29:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| What happened when you 'rightclicked' on that image ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 299) Thu, Sep 29, 2005 - 9:09:12 pm 
|
| ray>
| A right click loads the image on a page by itself.
|
| But now that I think about it, this might not be a fair 
| page to compare our luck with Joe's code, because I put my
| own little hack in place to break out of the https/http loop
| some time ago, so that might be the reason I display the page
| ok. Thus, no getting stuck, no fair test of Joe's code.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 300) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 2:01:47 am 
|
| Joe>
| Hi all,
|
| OK, looking over the above messages, I see a couple of entries :
|
| #271 : Cool, nice to see (at least some of) my stuff finding it's
| way into other branches. I note the "file download" code snippet,
| not sure if you wanted any comment on this? Basically, I've done
| it a slightly different way to suit my tastes and because of a
| couple of artefacts in the original version, such as huge numbers
| near the completion of large downloads ...
|
| #283 : This doesn't look like the complete code, but I'm sure
| you've sorted this out, otherwise it shouldn't compile. Given
| that you have implemented all of it, don't forget you must
| enable this feature via the "AltKeys" keyword.
|
| Catcha latter.
|
| PS. Glenn, as I recall, you've implemented some changes to
| Insight recently ... would you mind uploading this to your
| directory at AD when you get the chance, to keep the repository
| up-to-date? If you don't have the time in the next few days,
| I can upload it for you, if you like. (AFAIK, wwwman is OK,
| but if not, the same applies, of course).
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 301) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 7:09:32 am 
|
| ray>
| Joe,
|
| FYI, I don't 'keyword' your breakout code, rather, I have it
| enabled full time in my 'DEBUG' core and not compiled in my 'STANDARD'
| core. What I'm working toward is that the latter will have tons of
| debugging stuff built in and always 'on' whereas the standard core will
| be fast and lite.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 302) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 7:10:42 am 
|
| ray>
| Oppps, I mean "that the former will have ..."
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 303) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 7:16:50 am 
|
| ray>
| Also, just as a good example of how cross-fertilization works,
| after I had reinstated the copyright msg at your example and also 
| saw what you were up to vis. making the title bar more useful,
| I realized I could make the title bar even longer by move the version
| string down *to* the copyright message, thus leaving the whole bar
| free for long titles ;-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 304) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 12:31:41 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| AltKeys Yes
|
| ????
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 305) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 12:32:13 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Insight.zip on its way to AD in just minute.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 306) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 12:40:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| It's in there ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 307) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 12:43:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| As to the version number now down with the copyright message.
|
| Does your vsersion of core.exe implement my code for going 'up one level'
| when we link to the version number ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 308) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 1:03:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| AltKeys Yes
|
| CRASH !!! :((
|
| I included int09.c from you 1.83 changes.
|
| What else do I need to fix this ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 309) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 1:15:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| As to 'up one level' the area where the version string used to be
| is still active, but it goes to the help system, so if you changed
| that recently I've not got it. Anyway, I hate that. There is no
| logical reason why the old 'Arachne xxx' should function as a GUI
| button. For that matter I hate those other two little buttons up there,
| Sheesh the one that duplicates F5 is 3mm away from the one that quits
| for God's sake. Nope, stuff like that belongs on the toolbar or we
| can just use the hotkeys.
|
| As to your troubles with Joe's code, you better ask him but I have
| one hunch -- make sure that all that code is built with static link.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 310) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 1:17:03 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, Glenn, I figure I'd better take a look at your code up to
| 1.83 directly incase Joe missed anything or left it out.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 311) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 1:18:40 pm 
|
| ray>
| If I was going to make an 'up one level' button on the screen, I'd
| link it to the 'URL' on the screen anyway, wouldn't you say that that
| would be a bit more intuative?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 312) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 1:21:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| "Up one level" isn't recent............
|
| 1.81;GPL,386+ stable for DOS
| ----
| Release date: Feb 16, 2005
|
| Feb 03, 2005
| Linking to the Arachne version number at the top of the screen will
| now take us 'Up one level' when we are viewing a remote file.
| (will still go to 'about.htm' if we are currently local)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 313) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 1:24:01 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I like that idea.
|
| How about this ?
|
| ^URL ____________________________________
|
| Linking to the '^' will take us up a level.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 314) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 3:53:10 pm 
|
| ray>
| Why the tilde? Just make the area under the text itself active and
| away you go. I think I left it out before for the same reason above,
| I didn't like it, also it bothered me that the active area was
| always the same even if the length of the version string changed, thus
| the leftmost part of "Arachne ..." wasn't active. Anyway, link it to
| "URL" and I'm in.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 315) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 3:54:32 pm 
|
| ray>
| Sorry, the caret, not the tilde <:-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 316) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 3:59:03 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Not a tilde ..... a caret (shifted 6) to symbolize an upward arrow.
|
| Up one level == ^
|
| As for the length of the version changing.
|
| Not in my compiles it don't
|
| It is always the same... Arachne n.nn
|
| All other specs added to the version number do not get placed there.
|
| ie: ;GPL,386+ ain't up there... just Arachne 1.87
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 317) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 4:56:28 pm 
|
| ray>
| Up arrow, eh? that makes good sense, give the user some hint as to
| what will happen. Good thinking. As to the version length, sure if
| it never changes there's no problem. Anyway, I'm happier with it gone
| from there since it alows longer titles, is faster and saves quite
| a few bytes.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 318) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 4:58:30 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmmm, but "URL" starts out as plain text, not some graphic, so
| how would the up arrow be displayed? You'd have to put an icon there,
| no? It would be simpler to just leave the thing alone, but ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 319) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 4:59:15 pm 
|
| ray>
| And where has that Gregy got to?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 320) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 5:43:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep... I decided to leave it alone too. <g>
|
| And it's now done.
|
| The area of the 'bar' from 40 pixells preceeding the URL window to 5
| pixells is now 'active' as "Up one level"
|
| Even in the screen layout with just one bar across the top
| where 'URL' does not preceed the URL window.
|
| --- in guieven2.c ---
| //!!glennmcc: Sep 30, 2005
| //moveing 'Up one Level' function to 'URL' instead of 'Arachne ver#'
|  if(x>URLprompt.x-40 && x<URLprompt.x-5 && y>URLprompt.y+p->htscrn_ytop &&
| y<p->htscrn_ytop)
|  {
| #ifdef OVRL
| #ifndef XTVERSION
|   thisxx=0;
| #endif
| #endif
|   return CLICK_UPLEVEL;
|  }
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
|  if(y<p->htscrn_ytop-25 && y>p->htscrn_ytop-50)
|  {
|  if(x>x_maxx()-300 && x<x_maxx()-190)
|  {
| #ifdef OVRL
| #ifndef XTVERSION
|   thisxx=0;
| #endif
| #endif
|   return CLICK_ABOUT;
|  }
|  else
|  if(x>x_maxx()-190 && x<x_maxx()-170)
|  {
| #ifdef OVRL
| #ifndef XTVERSION
|   thisxx=0;
| #endif
| #endif
|   return CLICK_ZOOM;
|  }
|  else
|  if(x>x_maxx()-170 && x<x_maxx()-152)
|  {
| #ifdef OVRL
| #ifndef XTVERSION
|   thisxx=0;
| #endif
| #endif
|   return CLICK_EXIT;
|  }
|  }
|
| _____________________
|
|
| --- in giuevent.c ---
|
| //!!glennmcc: Sep 30, 2005
| //moveing 'Up one Level' function to 'URL' instead of 'Arachne ver#'
| //still will go up only when remote.. nothing will happen when local
|      case CLICK_UPLEVEL://click on "URL" label
| //!!glennmcc: Feb 03, 2005 -- up one level if remote 'about:' if local
| if(!strstr(GLOBAL.location,"file:"))
|      {
|       if((strchr(GLOBAL.location,0)-1)==strrchr(GLOBAL.location,'/'))
|  strcat(GLOBAL.location,"../");
|  else
|  strcat(GLOBAL.location,"../../");
|       arachne.target=0;
|       return gotoloc();
|      }
| else
| //     strcpy(GLOBAL.location,"about:");
| //     arachne.target=0;
| //     return gotoloc();
|      return 0;
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
|      case CLICK_ABOUT://click on "Arachne Vxx" label
|      strcpy(GLOBAL.location,"about:");
|
|      arachne.target=0;
|      return gotoloc();
|
|      case CLICK_HISTORY:
|      return gotohistory();
|
|      case CLICK_ZOOM://zoom
| ______________________
|
|
| --- in guidraw.c ---
|
| //!!glennmcc: Sep 30, 2005
| //moveing 'Up one Level' function to 'URL' instead of 'Arachne ver#'
| //still will go up only when remote.. nothing will happen when local
| //!!glennmcc: Feb 03, 2005 -- up one level if remote 'about:' if local
|   case CLICK_UPLEVEL:
| if(!strstr(GLOBAL.location,"file:"))
|    {
|     outs("Up one level");
|     break;
|    }
| else
| //  outs("about:");
|   break;
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
|   case CLICK_ABOUT:
|   outs("about:");
|   break;
|
|   case CLICK_EXIT:
| _____________________
|
|
| --- in gui.h ---
|
| #define CLICK_MAIL    910
| #define CLICK_SAVE    911
|
| //!!glennmcc: Sep 30, 2005
| //moveing 'Up one Level' function to 'URL' instead of 'Arachne ver#'
| #define CLICK_UPLEVEL 912
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
| #define ONMOUSE_TITLE 999
| ________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 321) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 6:44:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| Great, I still don't know how you make part of the screen active,
| so I look forward to studying your code :-)))
|
| I'll leave it out for now so's you can test and aprove the change, and
| I'll grab it at your next release. (Grabing it now tends to
| get me all mixed up as to what I've got and what I don't so it's better
| to wait).
|
| Hey any luck with Joe's code? Try leaving out the keyword, just
| make the code always active to see if that's it.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 322) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 7:18:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| How to make it 'active' is in guieven2.c
|
| if(x>URLprompt.x-40 && x<URLprompt.x-5 && y>URLprompt.y+p->htscrn_ytop &&
| y<p->htscrn_ytop)
|  {
| #ifdef OVRL
| #ifndef XTVERSION
|   thisxx=0;
| #endif
| #endif
|   return CLICK_UPLEVEL;
|  }
|
| Those x/y coords define the 'block' which is now 'locked' as "CLICK_UPLEVEL"
| (in this case, the block is 35px wide by 25px high and is located
|  just to the left of the URL text window)
|
| Now in guidraw.c we indicate what to show on-screen in the lower-left
| 'status area' when our cursor is inside that block.
|
|   case CLICK_UPLEVEL:
| if(!strstr(GLOBAL.location,"file:"))
|    {
|     outs("Up one level");
|     break;
|    }
| else
|   break;
|
|
| And finally in guievent.c we indicate what to actually do when the
| left mouse button (or the enter key), is pressed while the cursor
| is in that block.
|
|      case CLICK_UPLEVEL://click on "URL" label
| if(!strstr(GLOBAL.location,"file:"))
|      {
|       if((strchr(GLOBAL.location,0)-1)==strrchr(GLOBAL.location,'/'))
|  strcat(GLOBAL.location,"../");
|  else
|  strcat(GLOBAL.location,"../../");
|       arachne.target=0;
|       return gotoloc();
|      }
| else
|      return 0;
|
| _________________________
|
|
| That's it... nuttin' to it. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 323) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 9:15:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ah, thanks. Easy when you know how eh? :-)
|
| Hmmmm, I think I've just gota play with this right now.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 324) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 11:34:20 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gotta love it. It's a breakthrough for me understanding the way active
| areas of the screen are processed, thanks again. Now if I could just 
| find out where those ratty little icons on the title bar come from 
| <hint hint> :-)
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 325) Fri, Sep 30, 2005 - 11:36:42 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW, just to be consistent, why don't we figure out something
| smart to link to the "Tile" text?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 326) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 8:44:01 am 
|
| Eric>
| Up one level.....I clicked on 1.85 with this page loaded....
| went to next level....but couldn't come back to this board...
| had to use CTRL-LFT Arrow....Shouldn't there be a back down
| button if there's an up one level button?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 327) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 8:52:34 am 
|
| Eric>
| I tried back arrow.... that worked.  But, had a malfunction...
| sometimes up one level wouldn't work...got a beep,beep instead
| and a page reload.  I reloaded page from Hotlist and then up one
| level worked again.....wot's up?
|
|
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|
| 328) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 9:39:10 am 
|
| phantom>
| Hi Glenn, et al.
|
| I've had a look at the 1.83J1 changes, and the only stuff associated
| with the new Int09 code is the AltKeys keyword stuff (AltTab is now
| deprecated, of course), unless I'm overlooking something.
|
| I think Ray has it right ... if you haven't made int09 static,
| you're very likely to kill Arachne that way. This was also true
| back when there was just the AltTab feature - enable it without
| int09 being static and, unless int09 happened to be loaded when
| it needed to be called ... ***bang***!
|
| BTW, just changed my mousie to a wheely type ... so cool being
| able to use a wheel with Arachne!  :-)
|
|
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|
| 329) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 9:44:07 am 
|
| phantom>
| Oh, and thanks for updating your stuff at AD, Glenn!
| :-)
|
|
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|
| 330) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 11:37:40 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yeah, that up one level stuff is not quite what you might imagine.
| For one thing, doing down isn't as easy, since one always knows
| what the next branch up is, but once there, there can be several
| subbranches and which one should the 'down' go to? You've gotta
| use the back arrow. Also, sometimes you are only allowed to look
| at some of the levels and when you go up one, you might hit something
| that is off limits or that has nothing in it. At the top level
| my code beeps.
|
|
|
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|
| 331) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 1:16:43 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Watching the MICH vs. MICH.ST. game....what a nail biter!! <ggg>
| Ray,   You know that could be a toggle....often one might want 
| to check one level up then return to same location as before
| one level up.  Might be handy?
|
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|
| 332) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 2:14:39 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Well, my friend in Cour D'alene, ID is pissed.  Mich.St. lost in overtime.
| Go Blue !!  Her relatives live in Revelstoke, BC, Ray. (I think I got
| the name right. <ggg>)
|
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|
| 333) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 2:51:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| The beep beep here on the message boards is due to the 'end anchor'
|
| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/adev/advindex.php#end
|
| BRB with the result of using 'Up one level' after making a post.....
|
|
|
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|
| 334) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 2:54:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| UOL 4 times... 4 beeps
|
| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/adev/advindex.php#end../../../../
|
| Now that I've modified the code to move it to URL instead of the ver#
|
| I'll go ahead and modify it to remove the '#anchor' also.
|
|
|
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|
| 335) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 3:06:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| phantom,
|
| BRB after having a look at int09.c static vs overlayed status.
|
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|
| 336) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 3:11:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep... had it overlayed.
|
| Back to static now and all is well so-far.
|
| I'll run this baby through the paces for the next couple of hours to see
| what happens.
|
|
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|
| 337) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 3:35:10 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| AltKeys Yes
| LoadImages Yes
| Https2Http No
|
| Start-up........
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/altkeys1.gif
|
| Visit......
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/sitestat.htm
|
| verifying images loop
|
| Hit Ctrl+Alt+Esc (loop stopped, screen not updated)
|
| Hit down arrow..........
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/altkeys2.gif
|
| Hit restart button.
|
| Visit......
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/sitestat.htm
|
| verifying images loop
|
| Hit Ctrl+Alt+Esc (loop stopped, screen not updated)
|
| Hit down arrow..........
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/altkeys3.gif
|
| Hit restart button.
|
| ____________________________
|
| Conclusion:
|
| It ain't perfect........
| but it's one hell-of-a-lot better than needing to hit the damned reset butto
|
| <ggg>
|
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|
| 338) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 5:17:30 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| I routinely have to hit it twice, but so far it has never failed to
| break out of anthing -- mind I have to deliberately create 
| faulty code. If you find some other bad page that should hang, let
| me know and I'll try it, as I said I have no problem with your
| sitestat.htm.
|
|
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|
| 339) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 5:18:13 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yup Revelstoke it is, nice town.
|
|
|
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|
| 340) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 6:19:10 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep, as you said... you don't have a problem at sitestat.htm
| becuase you did something different with https
|
| So.... what did you do and what happens when you hit an https link
| even when you have 'Https2Http No' ?
| (example URL)
|
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|
| 341) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 6:22:44 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| This is what _should_ happen with 'Https2Http No'
|
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|
| 342) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 6:55:32 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Got unknown protocol page....is that correct?
|
|
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|
| 343) Sat, Oct 01, 2005 - 10:15:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep... exactly as it should be.
|
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