DOS Coders1 Message Board Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:03:43 ______________________________________________________________________________ | ============================================================================ | | 1) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 12:17:51 am | | gregy> | test...first post on new board... | | ============================================================================ | | 2) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 12:25:13 am | | gregy> | Last 11 posts.... | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 318) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 3:08:10 pm | | | | ray> | | I never noticed that, they are animated indeed. | | Here, they stay on all the time. But is there some performance | | penalty for this, if so, I'd rather have a faster download maself. | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 319) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 4:41:52 pm | | | | glennmcc> | | Eric, | | | | Yep, the XH logo on the GUI itself will only animate with its | | various | | indicators while something is going on. | | | | The animated GIF we are refering to is this one... | | http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/adev/xchaos1.gif | | | | It is 'embeded' within the SRC of this page just to the right of... | | 'Arachne DOS Coders1 Message Board' | | | | | | | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 320) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 4:44:30 pm | | | | glennmcc> | | Ray, Š| | | | No there is no 'performance penalty'. | | | | And as for 'faster download'. | | | | Grabbing a 2708 byte GIF don't slow ya down... do it ? | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 321) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 5:59:17 pm | | | | ray> | | I dunno, if you say so. But, I find it animates all the time, | | my core and yours (187 right now). | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 322) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 6:03:27 pm | | | | glennmcc> | | Yes... it's _supposed_ to animate all the time. | | That's what animated GIFs do. | | | | But it does not slowdown the downloading of the page. | | | | So changing anything in the way that anmaited GIFs are handled is | | not | | got to give you... "I'd rather have a faster download maself." | | | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 323) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 6:29:44 pm | | | | ray> | | ok | | | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 324) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 6:33:06 pm | | | | ray> | | BTW, you can't do this stack monitoring the way I can, but, once | | I've figured out if the low points always occur in the same | | group of functions, and if it's not a big list, there's no | | reason why you couldn't put in some monitoring yourself: | | | | if(_SP < [some safe size]) | | { Beep(); Outsf("RED ALERT! STACK IS LOW!"); } | | Š| | ========================================================================== | | | | 325) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 8:33:24 pm | | | | gregy> | | Glenn...pardon me...but I think you're nuts......that .GIF that | | is | | on this board does NOT animate here, with 1.87...and NEVER has with | | any previous version....you surely are kiddin', aren't you....?? | | ... | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 326) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 8:36:08 pm | | | | ray> | | It's very hard to see, I never noticed it until I looked very | | closely and saw the very faint blue lightning inside the logo. | | | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 327) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 9:18:38 pm | | | | glennmcc> | | gregy, | | | | Nope... no kiddin' it _is_ indeed animated. | | | | Need new glasses... do we ? | | | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 328) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 11:22:59 pm | | | | gregy> | | he he....you're right...but...(youknewthiswascoming)...I wouldn't | | call | | that "animation"....that's more like "micro-animation"... | | .... | | BTW...I'm gonna archive this board at midnight... | | ... | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | ============================================================================ | | 3) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 12:42:47 am | Š| Eric> | glennmcc, with images off that logo on this board does not display... | therefore.....no lightening with Arachne! It does show on M$IE and | keeps flashing constantly.....The ozone level is getting so high that | I'm feeling woozy. | | | ============================================================================ | | 4) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 3:36:24 pm | | glennmcc> | Serves you right for using M$IE | | ============================================================================ | | 5) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 8:54:39 pm | | glennmcc> | Just now made a small mod to wwwman.exe | | //!!glennmcc: Feb 03, 2006 -- for this situation... | //230-some text | //250 more text | if(*str=='2' && (str[3]=='-' || str[3]==' ')) //normal Unix | // if(*str=='2' && str[3]=='-') //normal Unix | //!!glennmcc: end | | Now the last line of the message shows correctly (not truncated), | and in the correct place above the
not below it. | | --- before the mod --- | ____________________________________________________________________________ | | FTP directory | | User glennmcc@cisnet.com has group access to: cisnet | ============================================================================ | | 250 OK. Current directory is | drwxr-xr-x 3 32039 cisnet 4096 Dec 25 09:35 ./ | drwsr-xr-x 21 32039 cisnet 4096 Feb 3 20:01 ../ | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 34 Oct 23 20:29 .htaccess | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 10915 Dec 2 00:55 aqccc.php | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 11367 Oct 23 20:29 aqcccnew.php | drwxr-xr-x 2 32039 cisnet 4096 Feb 1 18:06 archives/ | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 5619 Dec 2 21:42 archives.htm | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 100 Oct 23 20:30 maint.htm | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 10915 Dec 2 00:54 php-src.txt | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 11304 Oct 23 20:30 re.php | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 11030 Dec 1 22:50 test.php | | ============================================================================ | (11 items listed) | This file generated by wwwman.exe v1.81 Š| (now being maintained by the Arachne Development team) | ______________________ | | --- after the mod --- | ____________________________________________________________________________ | | FTP directory | | User glennmcc@cisnet.com has group access to: cisnet | OK. Current directory is /aqc | ============================================================================ | | drwxr-xr-x 3 32039 cisnet 4096 Dec 25 09:35 ./ | drwsr-xr-x 21 32039 cisnet 4096 Feb 3 20:01 ../ | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 34 Oct 23 20:29 .htaccess | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 10915 Dec 2 00:55 aqccc.php | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 11367 Oct 23 20:29 aqcccnew.php | drwxr-xr-x 2 32039 cisnet 4096 Feb 1 18:06 archives/ | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 5619 Dec 2 21:42 archives.htm | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 100 Oct 23 20:30 maint.htm | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 10915 Dec 2 00:54 php-src.txt | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 11304 Oct 23 20:30 re.php | -rw-r--r-- 1 32039 cisnet 11030 Dec 1 22:50 test.php | | ============================================================================ | (11 items listed) | This file generated by wwwman.exe v1.91 | (now being maintained by the Arachne Development team) | _____________________ | | | ============================================================================ | | 6) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 9:51:27 pm | | glennmcc> | More clean-up....... | | //!!glennmcc: Feb 03, 2006 -- added || str[3]==' 'for this situation... | /* | 230-some text | 250 more text | */ | if(((*str=='2' || *str=='5') && (str[3]=='-' || str[3]==' ')) | //added =='5' for 'permission denied' message | || *str=='\n')//for messages with 'empty lines' such-as... | /* | (found at ... ftp://ftp.cdrom.com:21/.2/simtelnet/ ) | 230-some text | | 230-more text | | 230-some text | | 250 more text Š| */ | // if(*str=='2' && str[3]=='-') //normal Unix //original simgle line | //!!glennmcc: end | { | //!!glennmcc: Feb 03, 2005 -- if there are 'empty lines', remove them | if(*str!='\n') | //!!glennmcc: end | { | puts(&str[4]); | puts("
"); | } | } | _______________________________________________________________________ | | | | ============================================================================ | | 7) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 3:00:42 am | | gregy> | Glenn...should I/we download it from your link on CTST board..??? or | can we just wait for the next version release....??? | I mean, how crucial is this....??? immediate...??? | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 8) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 9:13:51 am | | ray> | Gregy, | | this stuff can wait for sure, it's just formating for wwwman -- better | display, that's all. Nice but not pressing. | | | ============================================================================ | | 9) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 3:15:34 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep, quite right. | | Better formatting of the 'welcome messages' when viewing an FTP dir listing. | | Grab it now.... wait for later... it's your choice. ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 10) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 4:14:37 pm | | glennmcc> Š| BTW, | | Did you see those last few messages on Coollist ? | | I'm trying an expermental 'new approach' to email downloads. ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 11) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 5:09:03 am | | gregy> | no, I haven't read my email for about 5 days..... | ... | I got sidetracked outside........now it's snowing again, so I'm | more-or-less back inside...for a while... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 12) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:03:16 pm | | ray> | boy this board is down on it's luck lately. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 13) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 9:04:01 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep, we're doing everything over on the testers board that we realy _should_ | | ============================================================================ | | 14) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 5:38:18 pm | | gregy> | well...maybe....there, here....they are (I think) right beside each | other... | | | ============================================================================ | | 15) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 9:27:48 pm | | Eric> | Slow board == reduced work load for monthly arachiver (known | else where as archiver). | | | ============================================================================ | | 16) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 6:34:39 am Š| | vbm> | Hi, All. | | Ray, thanks for sources. I testing them.... | :-)))))) | | Glenn, explain please how using keyword "EnterBGDL"? | thanks... | | poka... | | | ============================================================================ | | 17) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 3:36:17 pm | | Eric> | Hi Vladimir, Welcome back. All the action has been on the testers | board lately. | | ============================================================================ | | 18) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 3:39:40 pm | | glennmcc> | vdm, | | EnterBGDL == Ctrl+Enter (background download) | | Exceopt that with EnterBGDL as soon as the background download is | complete, the file is viewed without the need of clicking the link a | second time. | | | ============================================================================ | | 19) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 10:56:03 pm | | gregy> | Welcome back, Vladimir..... | | ============================================================================ | | 20) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 9:55:51 am | | vbm> | spasibo, Eric, Gregy.... | | Glennnnnn, spasibo, but what mean phrase "(enter key only)"??? | | Ray, I had preparing report abou b6b5x core.... wait.... ;-)))) | | ============================================================================ | Š| 21) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 3:56:58 pm | | glennmcc> | Enter key only == left mouse button will still work as normal. (no backgroun | | | ============================================================================ | | 22) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:58:14 pm | | ray> | Ah, happiness is having Vladimir back to muck about with these | things :-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 23) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 8:45:22 am | | vbm> | Glenn, spasibo... this for nice translations that item... | | Ray, we are telling - " again return to kolhoz" :-)))))))))))))))))))))) | | ============================================================================ | | 24) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 11:22:11 am | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Sorry, I don't understand 'kolhoz' | | | | ============================================================================ | | 25) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 1:11:14 pm | | glennmcc> | kolhoz == 'collective farm' ???? | | ============================================================================ | | 26) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 5:18:31 pm | | Eric> | Vladimir, Are you saying that you are now living on a farm or | in a kolhoz ? | | ============================================================================ | | 27) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 8:18:51 am | | vbm> Š| re 24-26: | Glennnn, is right. | I'm living in town... ;-))))))))))))) | I hate kolhoz. don't ask - why. | | well, Ray, try find a program - pktstat for checking packet drivers... | | | ============================================================================ | | 28) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 4:04:40 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | New files at tripod. | | BTW, check out the .jpg of Dr. Tyc as a soldier! | | Hmmm is that 'Doctor private Tyc' or 'Private doctor Tyc' ? | | Gregy would know. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 29) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 4:10:16 pm | | glennmcc> | Which of those 4 is Michal ? | | ============================================================================ | | 30) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 9:12:50 pm | | ray> | You've gotta guess ;-) | | (Don't worry, you'll get it right) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 31) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 11:17:03 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Doctors are never privates. | | ============================================================================ | | 32) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 12:35:43 am | Š| gregy> | Ray...don't see any link that that .jpg of Michal.... | ...and | Doctors, even in SovietEra eastern european armies would be officers, | or, at least WarrantOfficers.....perhaps (with a stretch of imagination) | SeniorNonCommissionedOfficers. | | | ============================================================================ | | 33) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 4:12:17 am | | vbm> | spasibo, Ray, for sources (I'll testing these) and photo... :-)))))) | | | ============================================================================ | | 34) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 7:13:32 am | | ray> | Ya, I stand corrected, even in the Polish reserves he'd get better | than just 'grunt' status. But think of the possible confusion -- | someone comes looking for 'the doctor' only to find that Micahl | is a doctor of physics, *not* a physician ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 35) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 7:17:32 am | | vbm> | this source of epppd... | | http://mvmpc200.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de/~mvmpc9/user/TONI/dosppp/dosppp06.zip | | ============================================================================ | | 36) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 8:00:33 am | | vbm> | and sources of lsppp try find to Joe's site... | | | ============================================================================ | | 37) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 1:26:55 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Thanks. | | BTW I was wrong about Michal, seems he's a corporal already and Š| with a bit more time he will be a liutenant. You know what that means: | Gregy will have to salute him ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 38) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 6:28:02 pm | | gregy> | Ray....I'm a Combat Platoon Sergeant....WE are the guys who TRAIN those | green leutenants....and if they don't behave....we "EAT "EM FOR OUR | BREAKFAST"...... | ... | However...now...physicists.....I have a certain amount of respect for... | ...if they keep their noses clean.........being a Math Major, | and two Elect. Engrng Majors.....there's a certain amount of overlap, | there.....I mean...down at the "micro" level..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 39) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 6:53:30 pm | | ray> | I *love* it -- the thought of Gregy and Michal reprizing 'an officer | and a gentleman'. Yup, I know that no one is an officer till they've | been through the hell of having to pass through the eye of a sargeant's | needle ... but if he makes it, you've gotta salute him | right? | | "I've never SEEN such punks ... you giving me a hard-on BOY! ..." ;-) | | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 40) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 7:10:33 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Ok so to keep the error page showing up even if ppp.log is | deleted how about this: | | | @lh connect\lsppp.exe>PPP.LOG | if errorlevel 1 del PPP.LOG>NUL | if errorlevel 1 arachne err_ppp.ah | @if exist connect\ip-up.bat call connect\ip-up.bat | | This way, ppp.log is still deleted, but you can have the error | page if you want it, what do you think? Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 41) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 9:55:27 pm | | Eric`> | Re: #38 | Gregy, Re: Physicists....I not sure I'd use the word respect... | I've "known" a few and I'd say that I tend to be suspicious, | wary, not sure I want to approach. They have to percieve the | world from a vantage point that the "average" person doesn't | even know exists. This can lead to some behavior that may | be looked upon as strange to the rest of us. But, then again, | Math majors and Electrical "injuneers" have a reputation for | hugging that line down the middle of the road and occasionally | straddling that line. I can't figure out how that mixes | with "combat platoon sergeant". The name Nash comes to mind, | among others, and I'm not thinking of the car. | | ============================================================================ | | 42) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 10:26:22 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, I think I'm starting to grasp a smiggen of understanding... | ... What a combat platoon sergeant would describe as "respect | for" might be similar to the respect that a junkyard dog has for | an "intruder" that's carrying a tire iron....that wise dog is going | to do his best to sneak up on the intruder from the rear, but in no | way is he going to ignore the intruder. This would be different | from how a bear would handle things. Bears tend to be on the demanding | end of respect! | | | ============================================================================ | | 43) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 3:54:24 am | | vbm> | re 40: | | Ray, spasibo. but my fix to atcpip.c is works nice. so seems needn't a | chagening the bat... | | BTW, my syster is Capitain reserve of medical service or surgeon | (don't know how is right)... my brother had serviced in army in Poland | 81-83 years XX century... | as soldier techsupport of soviet's airforce - i.e. radars, anntens, etc.. | I don't service in army by health... | | ============================================================================ | | 44) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 6:57:51 am | Š| gregy> | Vladimir....we would call her a "doctor"....Military Surgeons are ONE of | the officers we ALL respect.... | ... | Your brother did similar to what I did, 59-60...US Air Force... | ...that's where I got started "professionally" in electronics and in | computers... | | | ============================================================================ | | 45) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 7:01:48 am | | gregy> | Ray...re:...officers' respect.....there's a number of Colonels and | Generals I've "raised from a pup".....I look them straight in the eye, | and call them "Sir"....and they know it's because their rank is due my | respect. Then I look them in the eye, again, and call 'em Petey, or | Stan, or...or....he he he...and they know it's because THEY have earned | my respect..... | .. | If they haven't....and they don't mess my people up...then I just leave | them alone....but...if they hinder/hurt my people....God better help | them....because I'm gonna GET..!!! them... | ... | 'course...I'm just a shadow of my former vicious personality....so... | they might get off a tad more lightly than they would in my younger | days..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 46) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 7:04:43 am | | gregy> | Eric...re: Physicists' respect.....hmmmm....I suppose that having a | Brazilian Physicist and an MIT Math Masters walk me through into | Hamiltonian Space, using Tensor Calculus....so I could solve some hairy | problems on my part of one of our company's contracts....gave me a very | decent respect for those breeds....also gave me an enduring love for | "stinky" mathematics...... | | | ============================================================================ | | 47) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 9:15:31 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I think your proving my point ...If you have pets, | dogs, cats, rabbits, goats, turtles, GUINEA-pigs , then you don't | notice the distinctive aroma that visiting non-pet admirers notice. | The closer one gets and the longer that term of close proximity and | the more pleasant the experience , then the fonder the memories! | . One person's obnoxious odor can be some one elses sweet perfume! Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 48) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 1:42:04 pm | | vbm> | Eric, what's troubles you had wuth Ray's core to Google? | | | ============================================================================ | | 49) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 5:15:51 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Rodger that SIR! ;-) | | Can you really do tensor calculus? | | | ============================================================================ | | 50) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 7:27:29 pm | | Eric> | Vladimir, That was so long ago...let me think...I think it locked | up but when I commented out a hidden function on the page which | reduced the length of the URL search line then it worked OK. | But, that was fixed as far as I know. | All that stuff should be in the archives of this | or the testers board. | | ============================================================================ | | 51) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 5:27:19 am | | vbm> | spasibo, Eric. trouble in that: google begin using a links like: | | | | ============================================================================ | | 55) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 7:33:49 am | | Eric> | Ray, this is not a new bug....it is the one we spent so much time | on....check your notes! | | ============================================================================ | | 56) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 8:07:49 am | | vbm> | 1.89 Glenn's works fine. with google.ru | as I think it's a bug with css... | | ============================================================================ | | 57) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 8:13:34 am | | vbm> | Ray, it's really bug with proccessing css in 6b6g core.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 58) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 8:24:07 am | | vbm> | add > 57: | I meant try enable/disale css and re/load google... ;-)))) | and see what's you see to links under cursor...;-) | Š| ============================================================================ | | 59) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 8:29:25 am | | Eric> | Vladimir, How "CSS Y/N" is set in arachne.cfg may effect how | Google works. My config.log shows that CSS is No in my arachne.cfg. | I'm not sure if glennmcc and Ray have the same default for CSS. | | ============================================================================ | | 60) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 2:16:20 pm | | gregy> | Ray....REAL sergeants do NOT like to be called "SIR"..... | ... | Re: Tensor Calc....hmmmm...no...I don't....or, at least, I can only | remember vaguely.......but...I suppose if I had to, again, I | could stumble around thru it, until it became familiar again... | ...but.... | ..I've no need for it...so...I wouldn't raise the effort....and..besides | Luis and Stan aren't around to help me out..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 61) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 3:18:31 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | It might not be the same exact problem even though it's Google | related. Last time it boiled down to an over long status line | string which overflowed the buffer. I'll try to duplicate it now. | | | Gregy, | | All I know about the military is what I've 'learned' in movies, | where recruits always say: "SIR, yes SIR". | | | ============================================================================ | | 62) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 3:23:34 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | www.google.com/webhp is where I get sent to by all google logons, | but all seems ok here. if 'CSS Y' then the only problem is that | the tab key gets stuck on one link but with 'CSS N' all is well. | Can you tell me more about this bug? | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 63) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 3:29:19 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Good call, my default is N but Glenn's is Y. | Mind, since the problem Vladimir is having seems to be with 'Y', | it's unlikely that the default is the problem. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 64) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 3:56:01 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Re: Tensor Calculus | I was looking at some of the stuff on TC that I found with Google. | It was interesting...however...it also reminded me of the reason that I | stopped taking advanced math courses.....if I don't keep on spending | mucho time working out problems then "stuff" starts getting stored in | my foggy, remote memory banks and I got tired of digging out concepts | and formulae that I "learned" years before. | Did you solve problems by "pencil pushing" or did you use computer | programs? What kind of "stuff" were you using it for?...theoretical | or practical design problems? | | | ============================================================================ | | 65) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 4:08:09 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Re: VBM's Google bug | Your right, it may not be related to CSS and/or it may be a different o | it sure smells like the same "stink bug" or a close relative! | | ============================================================================ | | 66) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 4:42:30 pm | | gregy> | Eric...I had to go into Hamiltonian Space to deal with some factors that | were popping up in "E" and "H" planes which were popping back out in | very unfortunate problems in some "practical" design problems I was | forced to deal with. | ... | "E" and "H" planes have to do with wave propogation functions, and since | these things also act like "packets" it's slippery handling. So, about | the only way the physicists could suggest grappling (pun) with them | was to employ TensorCalc "grapples" to twist them into HamiltonianSpace, | work out a solution there, then untwist them back into normal space and Š| see if a practical solution appeared. Fortunately, a "close enough" | solution did pop back out....and I finalized the designs.... | ... | I was fairly intense, because the idiots who bid that contract had done | the bid based upon very unworldly, unrealistic specifications that would | allow no wriggle room... | .. | My corporation was about to start getting hit with thousands-per-day | nonconformance penalties....and my boss threw the problem at me this | way, "Gregory, there's something wrong with ......, and we're about to | get hit with penalties. Find out what the problem is, and fix it." | ... | As you can see, it was a super start to a hairy problem.... | .. | It ended up with the Brazilian Physicist and the MIT Maths Whiz giving | me crash courses in little chunks of math and physics, as we went along, | and me finding out that there were apparently only two people in the | whole world (at least that the whole worldwide corporation could find) | who could even discuss it with me....and they two worked for the REA in | Washington, D.C.....needless to say...I spent many nighttime hours on | the telex link to D.C...... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 67) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 4:59:16 pm | | gregy> | Eric...Re: "pencil" or "keyboard"...?? | .. | I set my desk up with a roll of teletype paper down in the middle of the | "legwell"...which I could pull off the roll up past the front of the | desk, then over the top (away from me) so that I could start working | at the "top" (end of the paper) and just keep calculating endlessly down | the so-called page (which, if I recal) grew to about 50ft one time)... | ... | For just crunching out large quantities of varification numbers and | design tables, I had sole use of the office HP 9100B Programmable | Calculator, which I programed to sort of "preproccess" my problems and | arrange my data, which I hooked up from eight floors above to the | IBM 360 in the basement. Hooked it up with jerry-rigged serial "modems" | at both ends. Then I got ready to "make a run"...I connected it at my | desk, went down and connected it in the basement, got the 360 running | the program I'd written to input the stuff from up above, went back up | and started the 9100B sending it down....when the "push" had completed, | I disconnected the 9100B...went back down and verified the receipt of | the transfer (to tape)...then started my crunching/collating/outputting | programs....and waited for the job to be done....which was signaled by | the chain-printer giving a wild squeal and rapidly delivering yards of | printout...which were the said design tables, and verification tables.. | ... | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 68) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 8:32:51 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, I like that story....that must have been a while ago based | on your description of the printer. That reminds me of my old centronics | based Tandy Radio Shack printer....BTW, talking about smoking some | electronics....I learned early on that it pays to observe your printer | when it's printing...don't walk away! I was watching that big centronics | printer print one day when suddenly.....smoke, from the print head. | Something had fried on the circuit board and was sending uninterupted | power to some of the printing pin solenoids. Since I was right there | when it happened I immediately shut off the power and saved the print | head. I had to get the circuit board repaired by Radio Shack. I never | had any more trouble with it. That printer used big rolls and I used to have | | ============================================================================ | | 69) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 8:41:06 pm | | ray> | I love you guy's stories. | | Gregy what on earth were you designing? ... if it's ok to ask | don't kill me if I'm not supposta know ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 70) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 2:16:26 am | | Eric> | Ray, I'd recommend, don't ask Gregy for specifics....then he can | justify shooting over your head ! If a bear just looks | at you from the distance, you shoot in the air to scare it away ! | On the other hand, if a bear starts following you to gain carnal | knowledge, then if there's time, you aim for a lethal shot. Soooo.... | a wise bear never acts agressively or appears too inquisitive about | a person who might be carrying a weapon. | | ============================================================================ | | 71) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 4:29:59 am | | gregy> | Ray....my engineering speciality field was "Transmission Line | Engineering"..... | ... | I was the sole "Transmission Line Engineer" for the whole of a major | U.S International Corporation, and all of its subsidiaries. The major | subsidiary of all, for which I worked, was a "Communications Engineering" | sub-corporation. | ... Š| Transmission lines come in all shapes and sizes, all locations and | environments (there are LOTs of them inside your computer, and attached | to it, by the way)... | ... | That described problem had to do with the idiots who originaly bid a | very large overseas contract on which I was one of numerous Engineering | Managers (i.e. I managed my own shop, with lotsa folks working for me... | my portion of responsibility on that contract entailed 133 individual | sites/locations - trimmed down and consolidated from 165 sites). | ... | The problem was that our bidders accepted a specification that was | impossible to meet/satisfy using existing designs and materials. | ... | Our performance shortfall was 0.5db (a seemingly insignificant amount, | which was what the bidders originally concluded)..... | ... | I worked on it (investigated, designed, theorized, built, tested, etc,.. | ..everything - I even had a whole MercedesBenz bus chocked full of | all manner of highly sophisticated test equipment, just for checking and | testing things in a "field" environment) for over a year, before finally | resolving it.... | ... | The results were 4 new CCITT/U.S.Government certified designs for that | type of equipment/installation, two of which the foreign government | customer chose to have us implement/install for them on that contract. | The shoddiest of the 4-new designs came in at 0.7db over the spec. | Again, not seemingly a big deal....but....with transmission lines, small | things CAN make a big difference in performance, and on such small | things hang the profit (or loss) for many a contract.... | ... | PS...for a while, my immediate Engineering Manager, and the overall | Project Engineer, looked at me as if I could "walk on water:... | ...he he he | ...due to my rough, abrasive, overbearing personality, I soon wore out | THAT welcome..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 72) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 8:33:57 am | | vbm> | re 62: | Ray, as I tested, and your link too, this bug is only in 6b6g core, and | exactly with css, sorry. | if I enable css - links looks "l" or "ul", if disable - as normal links. | of course, to page result search something, no at home page of google. | | | ============================================================================ | | 73) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 12:54:02 pm | | ray> | Gregy, Š| | Most interesting. I had no idea db was used in an electrical context, | I thought it was for sound only. | | Vladimir, | | I sent you build 6m right? how is it with that one? | But I'm still confused as to what you are seeing. So you say it's | not on the home page, but within a search listing? And what do you | mean 'l' or 'ul' ?? | | | ============================================================================ | | 74) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 1:02:54 pm | | ray> | I just did a google search for 'solar sail' and all the links on | the page seem fine. Can you please send a screen capture so I can | see this? | | | ============================================================================ | | 75) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 2:08:46 pm | | gregy> | Ray...db...not used in electrical work....only for signal/communication | work.... | ... | I did very little work on electrical power transmission lines....they're | pretty well passe'.....it's the other'n that're hairy.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 76) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 6:14:37 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Am I right ?....the cord from the keyboard to the | motherboard on a desktop computer is a transmission line, eh? | | ============================================================================ | | 77) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 2:14:40 am | | gregy> | Eric...yes...you're more than right.......in fact, just look | around you....you'll find LOTsa Xmission lines........including | the ones that bring your power to the house....and the telephone | likewise.....(and cable, etc, etc)... | | ============================================================================ | Š| 78) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 2:21:40 am | | vbm> | re 73: | | Ray, sorry, I'm forget say that 'l' 'ul' showed in the status line - | bottom of screen... | | Eric, any wire is transmission line... ;-))))))) | | | ============================================================================ | | 79) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 2:32:01 am | | vbm> | re 73: | | Ray, core exe 6b6m giving same result as 6b6g... | | ============================================================================ | | 80) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 2:38:07 am | | vbm> | add > 78: | | again forget, 'l' 'ul' showed as it was said when cursor is on a link... | | ============================================================================ | | 81) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 3:25:14 am | | Eric> | Re: Eric, any wire is transmission line... ;-))))))) | | Vladimir, What about the wire in an underwire bra? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 82) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 3:42:42 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Re: #77 - Duh.....I know that ... what I was saying was | in reference to Ray's question about electrical transmission lines and | db.....as you were using the terms in your story. The keyboard cord can | only be so long. If the cord exceeds a certain length the keyboard will | not work properly any more. This is caused by signal transmission problems | caused by the cord length. | | ============================================================================ | | 83) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 2:56:33 pm Š| | glennmcc> | Eric, | | re:post 81 | | Yep, sure is. | | It sure enough transmits a signal to we men who are looking at the | women who wear them. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 84) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 3:03:43 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Ok, now I see it, thanks. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 85) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 3:10:50 pm | | glennmcc> | un /misc/ | pw /ctst/ | svr /test/ | | ============================================================================ | | 86) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 8:44:16 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | I fixed it, but there are many changes so I'll have to send new | code. Unfortunately I had to undo one of my global optimizations -- | I had taken all the local 'char *tagarg' variables and replaced | them with one global 'gTagArg' and it seemed fine except for | the bug you found. Anyway, I tried to find another fix, but it's too | complicated. It seems that when there is a CSS involved the | 'old' tagarg pointing to the URL for the status line is overwritten | by something from the CSS page. But it is no big thing, just a | small disapointment for me. The fix will be in the next code. | | | ============================================================================ | | 87) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 10:03:48 pm | Š| ray> | Glenn, | | That lockup with 'humanevents': I've traced the code to the | hang, it's in hanimgif, a library function: | | | | ============================================================================ | | 88) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 10:07:47 pm | | ray> | ... | | if(gif->is_animation > 0) // more than one img. | xmove.sourceOff = (!gif->NextImg) ? gif->BegImg : gif->NextImg; | else | xmove.sourceOff = gif->BegImg; | /* | printf("\r\n\n\n fromX %d", gif->fromX); | printf("\n fromY %d", gif->fromY); | printf("\n picX %d", gif->picX); | printf("\n picY %d", gif->picY); | printf("\n stopX %d", gif->stopX); | printf("\r stopY %d", gif->stopY); | printf("\r sizeX %d", gif->sizeX); | printf("\n sizeY %d", gif->sizeY); | */ | { | //char ch; | //if((ch = getch()) == ESC) exit(0); | if(gif->sizeY == 1) {BEEP return 0; } | } | //THIS FUNCTION WILL HANG IF IT DOESN'T LIKE THE GIF'S VITAL STATISTICS. | //THE TESTING CODE ABOVE WAS TO GET SOME GLIMPS OF WHAT THOSE STATS | // MIGHT BE, IF THEY ARE INTERCEPTED IN TIME, THE HANG CAN BE PREVENTED, | // THO THE TEST PROBABLY SHOULD BE UPSTREAM OF HERE, ANYWAY THIS IS | // A PLACE TO START. SO WHAT ARE THE LIMITS TO THE GIF'S WE CAN | // SWALLOW? | | ist = h_xmove(&xmove); <<<< HANG HERE. | if(!ist) | goto End_wrt; | | | ============================================================================ | | 89) Sun, Apr 09, 2006 - 1:32:00 pm | | glennmcc> | IMO, | | The 'limit' should be our current screen width. | Š| ============================================================================ | | 90) Sun, Apr 09, 2006 - 4:46:53 pm | | ray> | That makes more than a little sense but for now I'm thinking more | about some sort of 'legal' limit, that is, some guard against | the above library function trying to retrieve something that isn't | stored, probably because it is in some way indigestible. As I read | the code, there is already some snipping and cutting of gifs if they | are too big, looks like the idea is that we should see as much as is | viewable, ie. current screen width, it seems more filtering than | that is needed. Dunno, it's still early days and this is very | complicated stuff. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 91) Mon, Apr 10, 2006 - 2:56:20 pm | | vbm> | re 81,82: | | as know (was radioamateur 10-15 years) every pieces of metall is | transmit line, so even panties under mikro-skirt are transmitting line, | it's indicate us where ends legs. ;-)))))))))))))))) | | re 86: | spasibo, Ray... | | ============================================================================ | | 92) Mon, Apr 10, 2006 - 3:56:30 pm | | ray> | So Russian girls wear metal panties???? ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 93) Mon, Apr 10, 2006 - 4:16:04 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | I was just checking those '\n' in the messages, one thing | I noticed: cGIF2LOW, cLOW2ANIM and cANERROR are all printed | with 'printf()' just as with 'break.ah!' so should these messages | not use the same encoding as break.ah!? ie should these not | be considered DOS messages and have only one encoding in mess-russ.c? | | | | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 94) Mon, Apr 10, 2006 - 8:52:33 pm | | Eric> | Vladimir, Oh, I see, you guys over there have additional | armour to deal with! I don't think we have any "underwire panties" | over here. If we do, it's been kept secret from me. | BTW, what frequency to they transmit on, and do they need to be | licensed as mobile transmitters? | | ============================================================================ | | 95) Tue, Apr 11, 2006 - 3:10:49 am | | vbm> | re 92: | | a some girls have a panties with rivets... ;-))))))))))) | | re 93: | | Ray, probably you are right. I'll checking they... | | re 94: | | Eric, transmit frequency dependent from volume your wallet and your | heart... licensed girls is very expensive ;-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) | | ============================================================================ | | 96) Tue, Apr 11, 2006 - 9:47:00 am | | Eric> | Vladimir, Are those expensive licensed girls digital transmitters? | Or, do they transmit on their own distinctive wave form? | | | ============================================================================ | | 97) Wed, Apr 12, 2006 - 10:00:33 am | | vbm> | Eric, what's form of digital signal - it's restangles, right? ;-))))) | so nice girls must have analog signal distinctive form... ;-))))))) | | | ============================================================================ | | 98) Wed, Apr 12, 2006 - 11:10:10 am | URL | | Eric> | Vladimir, Check out the first 2 definitions for "digital". Š| | http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?digital | | ============================================================================ | | 99) Wed, Apr 12, 2006 - 1:34:14 pm | | glennmcc> | hehehehe.... I love it !! | | | ============================================================================ | | 100) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 8:08:09 am | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Are you ready for some new sources? I've been simplifying all the | startup switches, seems we need '-r' after all but | | -d | -x | -o | -c | -i | | can all be cut ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 101) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 8:09:29 am | | ray> | we need -r to indicate 'reload previous page' wether online or offline. | | | ============================================================================ | | 102) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 9:19:01 am | | vbm> | re 98: | Eric, spasibo for the link. so we all are digital - because all making | with fingers.. ;-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) | | re 100, 101: | Ray, can making that reload indicating by e.g. '-l' - not '-r'??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 103) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 10:28:27 am | Š| ray> | Vladimir, | | Sure we can use anything we like, but why not stick with '-r' | since it's already there? OTOH, since even '-r' will be a bit | different, maybe a totaly new one is better like '-l' thus: | | '-l' == '-r' + '-c' | | This is a good question: recycle old '-r' or create new one?? | I think '-r' is familar so we should keep it. | | ============================================================================ | | 104) Sat, Apr 15, 2006 - 6:06:40 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | that 'define:xyz' is sweet :-) | I don't understand the lines in main.c that deal with spaces, colons | etc. what's that about? | | And, what is the ACTIVE tag control about? I've imported that on | faith but I'd like to know what it does. | | | ============================================================================ | | 105) Sat, Apr 15, 2006 - 6:47:13 pm | | glennmcc> | Michael's original code protocol automatically used the 'find:' protocol | is we manually typed a URL containing spaces. | | My alteration allows spaces in the new 'define:' protocol | so the we can define phrases like.... define:moot court | | Without that alteration... 'define:moot court' would automatically | get converted to 'find:define:moot court' | | | ============================================================================ | | 106) Sat, Apr 15, 2006 - 6:48:07 pm | | glennmcc> | ACTIVE tag control ??? | | ============================================================================ | | 107) Sat, Apr 15, 2006 - 6:51:37 pm | | glennmcc> | if you mean this........ Š| | //!!glennmcc: Feb 14, 2006 -- optionally ignore 'active' | if(getvar("CHECKED",&tagarg) || (getvar("ACTIVE",&tagarg) && | configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"IgnoreActive",NULL)[0]!='Y')) | // if(getvar("CHECKED",&tagarg) || getvar("ACTIVE",&tagarg)) | checked=1; | //!!glennmcc: end | | | That's another Eric customization. | | Eric don't like 'ACTIVE' | | | | ============================================================================ | | 108) Sat, Apr 15, 2006 - 9:27:04 pm | | ray> | Yeah, but what does it do? | | Since it's keyworded, gotta be important, not just an #ifdef ERIC | sorta thing. | | As to the space thingy, still a bit over my head, nevermind it's in | and it works, I'll figure out this 'find:' stuff latter. | | Oh, while I've got ya: what is 'MailTop' for? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 109) Sat, Apr 15, 2006 - 9:29:20 pm | | ray> | Oh, you did get that comment about Joe not using your 'dialpage' | change? I'd like to know why, it looks good to me and seems to work | fine. I suppose in theory the old way makes it usable inside | HTML? | | | ============================================================================ | | 110) Sat, Apr 15, 2006 - 10:06:00 pm | | ray> | That code in urlstat to add a missing '\' -- good idea except that | you can't look at a file that has no extension because the test | turns on the dot in most file names. Betcha it can be fixed tho, | maybe before returning the error page it could try again with the | '\' or somethin. Or there's always 'isdir()' maybe some other way | of checking if it's a directory and then adding the '\'. | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 111) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 12:43:23 am | | glennmcc> | Yes, you can view a file without an extension. | | Just add a dot at the end of the URL instead of that / | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 112) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 12:45:07 am | | glennmcc> | As to the ACTIVE stuff. | | You can eliminate the keyword if you like and just put | it inside of an #ifndef ERIC instead. | | It was just an experiment anyways. ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 113) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 12:45:52 am | | glennmcc> | MailTop downloads only the headers of the email. | | ============================================================================ | | 114) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 12:47:08 am | | glennmcc> | DialPage ? | | Nope, did not look closely at it. | | What code were you refering to that you liked ? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 115) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 9:16:38 am | | ray> | Morning Glenn, | | re 111: that's not intuative, seems your replacing one little irritation | with another. Š| | re: ACTIVE, OK, I'll consider it experimental, but you still didn't | explain what it does. | | re: Mailtop, that sounds like it could be very useful. My mind, | even now spins with diabolical ideas ;-) | | re: DialPage. Sheesh, it was your change, flagged and commented. | IIRC right now it involved several files, will send a clip | shortly. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 116) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 9:24:35 am | | ray> | My code, not commented yet: | | PROTOCOL.C: | | //190 G. no need for a 'protocol' just load the bloomin' page ;-) | /* | Eif(!strcmpi(url->file, "dialpage")) | { | dialpage: | if(UI.dialpage) | { | strcpy(G.location, UI.dialpage); | AnalyseURL(G.location, url, IGNORE_PARENT_FRAME); | } | } | */ | | GUIEVENT.C: | | | //190 G. no need for a 'protocol' just load the bloomin' page | ;-) | | // case 'D': return GotoPage("arachne:dialpage"); | case 'D': return GotoPage(UI.dialpage); | | ============================================================================ | | 117) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 9:41:02 am | | glennmcc> | Oh... _that_ | | IMO it's quite trivial. | | Who cares _how_ we get there so-long-as we get there. | Š| | | As to swapping one irritation for another. | | Yep.... that's what she does. | | But heck, that's what we've been doing for years now. | | But, but, but, now that you see what I did ...... | | you're gonna fix it. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 118) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 9:41:51 am | | glennmcc> | Where's Joe ? | | I'm just waiting on his approval and 1.90 is ready for primetime. | | ============================================================================ | | 119) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 9:42:34 am | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ar190/ | | ============================================================================ | | 120) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 12:57:30 pm | | ray> | Yeah, there might be a better way and it should be done, I've many times | had that rude error page 'cause I forgot the bleeding backslash, | this needs some thot. | | Yes, where is Joe, I have some questions. | BTW, he also left out your simplification of the 'User-agent' | stuff which looks good to me (liking, as I do, for things to be | as simple as possible). | | What is a ".SWF" file? Something tells me I don't like them either | even though I don't know what they are, so I have your filter in | place anyway :-) | | I've finished my first pass code incorporation but it looks like | the comparison of Joe's vs. 1.89 is incomplete and not fully | documented by Joe so I'm going to have to do another comparison | going back to 1.85 :( | Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 121) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 8:27:48 pm | | gregy> | Re:...110/111....no...I've already complained about that. DOS (and OS2 | and other operating systems) do NOT restrict me to naming my files with | an .EXTension.....so...with that "we'll complete your stupid mistake for | you, widdle stupid kiddie"...micro$loth-style "fix"...you've decided to | restrict my file-naming conventions to YOUR specifications.....??? | .. | Well, Glenn "personal-compiled" a 190core for me, that drops that stupid | thing....so...if it's in the distributed 190, and in future cores...then | I'm stopped at myPersonal190... | | | ============================================================================ | | 122) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 8:34:45 pm | | gregy> | Ray...Re:..."what is SWF"....Arachne "find:swf" is your friend... | ... | but...FWIW...that's Macromedia "ShockWaveFile"...you know...that FLASH | junk... | | | ============================================================================ | | 123) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 8:36:09 pm | | gregy> | yeah....if that "I'll add your "\" for you, stupid" fix isn't in Joe's | distro...then I'm eager to give his distro a good honkin'.... | .. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 124) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 11:05:58 am | | glennmcc> | Nope.... Joe did not include that fix. | | ============================================================================ | | 125) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 1:49:33 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | I wouldn't get so worked up about the '\' thing, it's obviously Š| experimental, and I won't use it as long as it replaces one | agrivation for another neither -- but I'll bet a robust fix | is possible since, technicaly, the '\' shouldn't be absolutely | required, it isn't DOS law. | | (Glenn, I'm thinking the place to append the '\' is just before | the '*.* is added -- at that point the test for dir or file is being | made anyway, or that's my hunch.) Where is the '*.*' added? | | | | re: SWF, rodger that :-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 126) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 2:08:37 pm | | glennmcc> | *.* gets added only if there is already a / or \ at the end. | | Without the / or \ it is interpreted as a filename without an extension. | | | ============================================================================ | | 127) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 2:10:47 pm | | glennmcc> | Manually entering a . at the end 'forces' interpretation as a filename | without an extension (both before and after implementaion of that 'fix') | | ============================================================================ | | 128) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 2:15:59 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Arachne v1.90 has been released. | | As always, | it may be downloaded via the link on the front page of my web site. | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ | | As indicated there on the front page... core.exe is by Joe da Silva. | | Enjoy. | | ============================================================================ | | 129) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 5:36:05 pm | | ray> | Right, there is no further test, the '*.*' is automatic with the | '\'. So where is the '*.*' added? Seems like it should be right Š| there. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 130) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 6:30:04 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...please forgive the tone of my rather cranky past few posts... | ..might be "that time of the month"...or sumpin.....but...that "complete | the idiot's error for him" kinda thing is why I avoid mizro$loth stuff | religiously.... | ...now...don't bring up my recent Win3.1/IE5 struggles..... | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 131) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 7:01:09 pm | | glennmcc> | You wouldn't by-chance be refering to your several occurences of..... | | BLASPHEMY !!!!!!!! | | would you ???? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 132) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 8:01:30 pm | | ray> | Yeah, you have been a bit cranky ;-) | | I take the backseat to no one when it comes to not liking the M$ | way of doing things, but we've got to be careful not to cut off our | noses to spite Bill Gates' interface. I mean let's not be dogmatic | about these things -- if something is a clear improvement in convinience | then it should be done regardless of if it's windowsy or not, but, | as is usualy the case, if some 'convinience' turns out to be | a limitation or a bug or such, then out it goes. Anyway no harm in | trying things out. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 133) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 9:06:24 pm | Š| gregy> | hmmmm....I think that "A" (NOTE - not "THE") criteria should be that we | put no further restrictions on Arachne's ability to FileManage/Read than | those that are already in any given OperatingSystem....I mean...DOS does | not restrict my ability to name (within the 8+3 limit, and a few char | restrictions) a file with a single character. DOS does mandate that I | "close my directorys" maybe........ | .... | I mean, if I want to DIR (somedirectory) I'd better close it with a | final "\"....or DOS will complain... | ... | Now, Arachne has, ever since I've used it, followed this convention..and | when we violate that (i.e. fail to provide the closing dir-slash) | Arachne gives us an error page WHICH IS AS IT SHOULD BE...!!!! | ... | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 134) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 2:17:40 pm | | vbm> | ray, sorry when you will have 3 don't answered messages by me... I did | want sendinng to Glenn messages.* for insight, pressing alt+s... :-) | and sending all drafts... | | BTW, maybe bettter make a buttyon in insight - "save as draft"??? | | ============================================================================ | | 135) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 6:09:01 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | I don't think it is the law. you can "cd c:\boot" and get there | without a backslash. But I hear you philosophicaly -- we aren't in | the buisiness of encouraging sloppy or lazy behavior, that's for sure. | | (Anecdote: today I had the missfortune of having to use | Word, when a guy at work asked me to help him type a grievance | then and there, so had to use the boss' machine -- the damnable | thing corrects my spelling mistakes in real time without even | telling me or asking me or nuthin! ... how's a dude ever supposed to | get any better with that sort of thing going on? Suppose I *want* | to misspell sumpin?) | | | Vladimir, | | Pardon? Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying. | | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 136) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 6:27:18 pm | | glennmcc> | I think what VDM means by save as draft would be to save a message we | are working on as say !nnnnnnn.dft instead of !nnnnnnn.tbs | | We could then hit the Send unsent mail button and the .drt files would | not get sent along with the .snt files. | | We could pull-up a .dft file later, finish it and send now or | choose save to outbox (.TBS) and it would get sent the next time | we hit send unsent. | | ============================================================================ | | 137) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 6:28:05 pm | | glennmcc> | Oops.... sorry, | | vbm .. not vdm :( | | ============================================================================ | | 138) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 7:03:19 pm | | ray> | Yes, that makes sense ... and it's an interesting idea! I often save | things to the outbox on a temporary basis, then forget that the | message is incomplete before 'send all'. I bet a 'save as draft' | button would be easy, or even some button for creating your own | name for the file. Which reminds me, I've often wanted something like | that in the inbox -- some way of not only moving a file but giving | it a 'real' name. Seems to me that would be a huge improvement | to the mail handling, those automatic names serve their purpose but | they suk otherwise. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 139) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 7:28:16 pm | | glennmcc> | But... but ... but.... | | If we implement the ability of choosing a different name other than | nnnnnnnn.mes .... we would also need to implement a test for an already | existing file of the same name so that the existing one would not be | overwritten by the new one. | | That's the good thing about the nnnnnnn.??? nameing convention. | Š| Since I changed it to HEX instead of DEC.... | | So long as our clock is set to correct time.... | it will not recycle till many, many years from now. | (something like 53 years IIRC) | | ============================================================================ | | 140) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 7:33:57 pm | | glennmcc> | And as for finding a particulr message.... that's what's so great about | the moving capabilities of insight. | | We place saved messages into seperate directories named as we choose. | | Have a look at my mail subdirs | | Can you guess where I save !nnnnnnn.TBS files | that I don't intend upon sending right away ? | | | | | c:\arachne\mail | c:\arachne\mail\!later | c:\arachne\mail\0spam | c:\arachne\mail\a4cheap | c:\arachne\mail\a4dos.fre | c:\arachne\mail\a4dos.lst | c:\arachne\mail\aaron | c:\arachne\mail\amazon | c:\arachne\mail\andrej | c:\arachne\mail\angelfir | c:\arachne\mail\ara-free.lst | c:\arachne\mail\arachne_.ue | c:\arachne\mail\archive | c:\arachne\mail\bastiaan | c:\arachne\mail\bear | c:\arachne\mail\bernie | c:\arachne\mail\bestbuy | c:\arachne\mail\bill_w | c:\arachne\mail\bluebttl | c:\arachne\mail\borkysue | c:\arachne\mail\bosley | c:\arachne\mail\brian_m | c:\arachne\mail\cabelas | c:\arachne\mail\carl | c:\arachne\mail\christof | c:\arachne\mail\cisbbs.nl | c:\arachne\mail\cisnet | c:\arachne\mail\citibank | c:\arachne\mail\clarence | c:\arachne\mail\counter | c:\arachne\mail\cyberguy Š| c:\arachne\mail\datalite | c:\arachne\mail\david_g | c:\arachne\mail\destiny | c:\arachne\mail\drdos_8.0 | c:\arachne\mail\dreampro | c:\arachne\mail\ebay | c:\arachne\mail\epop3 | c:\arachne\mail\eric | c:\arachne\mail\f-prot | c:\arachne\mail\firefox | c:\arachne\mail\foss | c:\arachne\mail\frshmeat | c:\arachne\mail\geoff | c:\arachne\mail\glennmcc | c:\arachne\mail\gpl | c:\arachne\mail\gregy | c:\arachne\mail\greg_m | c:\arachne\mail\hans_h | c:\arachne\mail\hinet | c:\arachne\mail\howard | c:\arachne\mail\human.odd | c:\arachne\mail\internet.21 | c:\arachne\mail\jason_do.dd | c:\arachne\mail\jds | c:\arachne\mail\ken | c:\arachne\mail\kevin | c:\arachne\mail\kfmf | c:\arachne\mail\klaus | c:\arachne\mail\l12 | c:\arachne\mail\laurie | c:\arachne\mail\ld | c:\arachne\mail\lsppp | c:\arachne\mail\m-center | c:\arachne\mail\martin.web | c:\arachne\mail\mel | c:\arachne\mail\michal | c:\arachne\mail\myreal.box | c:\arachne\mail\nick | c:\arachne\mail\or | c:\arachne\mail\os2site | c:\arachne\mail\qvd | c:\arachne\mail\ray_a | c:\arachne\mail\ricsi | c:\arachne\mail\roberto | c:\arachne\mail\ron | c:\arachne\mail\ross | c:\arachne\mail\sam | c:\arachne\mail\sbc | c:\arachne\mail\scott_w | c:\arachne\mail\slack10.1 | c:\arachne\mail\srccode | c:\arachne\mail\srcforge | c:\arachne\mail\tele | c:\arachne\mail\tfp | c:\arachne\mail\tom_tab Š| c:\arachne\mail\trash | c:\arachne\mail\tripod | c:\arachne\mail\true | c:\arachne\mail\usb-dos | c:\arachne\mail\v171ue01 | c:\arachne\mail\vladimir | c:\arachne\mail\werner | c:\arachne\mail\wizzy | c:\arachne\mail\xms | c:\arachne\mail\yahoo | | ============================================================================ | | 141) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 7:37:33 pm | | glennmcc> | Now look at where I 'archive' stuff. ;-) | | ------ 780,045 12-31-99 10:36p e:\arachne\mail\!ar!m!99.zip | ------ 1,429,605 12-27-00 8:35p e:\arachne\mail\!ar!m00.zip | ------ 742,992 12-30-01 9:38p e:\arachne\mail\!ar!m01.zip | ------ 13,010,202 1-01-03 12:11a e:\arachne\mail\!ar!m02.zip | ------ 16,248,133 12-31-03 7:00p e:\arachne\mail\!ar!m03.zip | ------ 17,664,854 1-01-05 11:00a e:\arachne\mail\!ar!m04.zip | ------ 8,642,612 9-18-05 8:26p e:\arachne\mail\!ar!m05a.zip | ------ 21,356,302 1-01-06 11:10a e:\arachne\mail\!ar!m05b.zip | --a--- 7,573,748 4-17-06 2:56p e:\arachne\mail\!ar!mail.zip | --a--- 11,194 4-17-06 3:31p e:\arachne\mail\!ar!mdir.zip | total files 10 total bytes 87,459,687 disk free space 35,790,848 | | | ============================================================================ | | 142) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 7:40:04 pm | | glennmcc> | Ever need any of the stuff from the original Arachne mailing list | which I always recieved in 'digest mode' ? | | No problem.......... ;-) | | ------ 5,032,128 11-10-01 5:44p e:\arachne\digest\05501000.zip | ------ 5,607,624 11-10-01 5:49p e:\arachne\digest\10011500.zip | ------ 4,483,226 12-30-02 11:51p e:\arachne\digest\15012000.zip | ------ 5,327,687 8-20-03 5:28p e:\arachne\digest\2001-end.zip | ------ 4,439,693 5-09-01 6:42p e:\arachne\digest\old\dgst-old.zip | total files 5 total bytes 24,890,358 disk free space 35,790,848 | | ============================================================================ | | 143) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 7:57:14 pm | | ray> | Testing for an existing file is simple, infact IIRC popget.c | already does that, yeah, has to because more than one message can Š| theoreticaly show up in one second. No problemo. | | char *newname; | | etc. | etc. | | if(!FileExists(newname) | save the file; | else | { | Beep(); | Outsf("Sorry, that name already exists, please try again"); | goto tryagain; | } | | ============================================================================ | | 144) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 7:58:16 pm | | ray> | Oh, I'm not a packrat myself ... but it's sure nice to have one | around ;-) ... that's one hell of a library. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 145) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 5:56:35 am | | gregy> | no...he's NOT a packrat....they're disorganized....he must be a | "pack-guinea-mouse"....'cause he's so organized...... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 146) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 6:36:27 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I use that filename-dot thing all the time in DOS to | force a listing of only no-extension names and directories! | | dir filename. | | ============================================================================ | | 147) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 6:38:48 am | | Eric> | Post #146 continued: | dir *. | dir l*. Š| dir ??. | | | ============================================================================ | | 148) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 1:02:18 pm | | vbm> | re 136: | | hgm, why Glennnn better understood me than Ray? sometime. ;-)))))))))))))))) | and I thinking that best add buttons 'save as draft' to the files: | reply.htp, resent.htp, sendnail.ah (not sure about sendfiles.ah)... | seems it's simple, as added 'external editor' button... | I'll try do it...' | | | ============================================================================ | | 149) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 7:24:35 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | finished the import from comparison of Joe's 1.90 core with your | 1.89, now looking at 1.89 vs. 1.85, expect a flurry of questions ;-) | | first: what is RRT, is this going to interface with something in | insight or does it stand on its own? | | | ============================================================================ | | 150) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 7:44:46 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | --- in changes.txt ---- | | Oct 16, 2005 | Added the ability to request a return receipt from email clients | capable of returning them. | 'Return-Receipt-To:' and 'Disposition-Notification-To:' will now be placed | into the headers of outgoing mail messages for which we choose to do so. | | ___________ | | The needed address entry field is on the new mail screens. | (sendmail.ah, sendfile.ah, reply.htp and resend.htp) | | Receipt-To: _______________________ | | We can now request a 'return receipt' from any email client capable of | sending one. | Š| Detailed info in the RFC........ http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2298.txt | | | | ============================================================================ | | 151) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 7:45:23 pm | | glennmcc> | Oh....... | | It 'stands on its own' in core.exe | | ============================================================================ | | 152) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 10:44:16 pm | | ray> | Ah, right, for this stage I can use changes.txt, pardon I'll | use that until I run out of answers. | | | ============================================================================ | | 153) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 5:32:18 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Looking at changes.txt: | | I shouldn't have fallen as far behind as I did, some of this stuff | is quite old but: | | I read: | | 1.85J1: | * Eight-fold increase in the number of JGP .... | | ... where/what is this? I should be up to the 1.85 level, but I | can't find anything in the code about this. | | The case sensitivity change in mime.cfg, what's that for? | Can you give an example of that making a difference? Could be | important if you do something in mime.cfg that uses it, so I want | to be up to speed on it. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 154) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 5:43:16 pm | | glennmcc> | --- in urlovrl.c --- Š| | //!!JdS 2005/08/15 : Rewritten so as to use a temporary heap buffer | //instead of p->buf, since under some circumstances, the latter did | //not allow sufficient space for "$roura$.bat" for the conversion of | //all JPG and/or PNG images on a web page. The size required for the | //"$roura$.bat" buffer depends both on the number of images requiring | //conversion, and the path name length of the Arachne directory and | //the Temporary directory ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 155) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 5:46:37 pm | | glennmcc> | --- 2 places in main.c --- | | //!!glennmcc: Nov 18, 2005 mime.cfg lines will now retain case | if (!strcmpi(buf,"insight")) | // if(strstr(strlwr(buf),"insight")) | | ============================================================================ | | 156) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 5:53:36 pm | | glennmcc> | Insert this line at the top of mime.cfg | | file/test.dgi >TXT|echo This line has both UPPERCASE and lowercase text>$2 | | Now type file:test.dgi into your URL bar and press enter | | Without the change, strlwr(buf) converts it to all lowercase and this is | displayed on-screen...... | | this line has both uppercase and lowercase text | | With the change, case is retained.... | | This line has both UPPERCASE and lowercase text | | | ============================================================================ | | 157) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 8:06:30 pm | | ray> | Ah, right, I had seen that urlovrl stuff, but didn't make the | connection. Tx. And rodger the case conversion, that makes good | sense. It doesn't help that Joe's documentation is full of | holes and his code imports are incomplete. With your changes, I can | always find anything by tracking your tag and date, but Joe's | system is much less thorough. I had hoped to save time by importing | your stuff via Joe's code, but that turns out to have been a mistake. | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 158) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:30:15 pm | | ray> | Ok, moving right along, one question left from changes.txt: | Your 'addressbook' in main.c, looks like a good idea is, there a | hotkey? and/or are there links in some of the new pages? (I won't | have time to download and set up a full 1.90 till I've got my core | updated). | | ============================================================================ | | 159) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:38:40 pm | | ray> | BTW, Glenn, it's entirely your business of course, but if it were | up to me, I'd not only review the omissions in Joe's code but | I'd think of the 1.90 sources not as Joe's import of your code, but as | your import of Joe's code and document it accordingly, since you | do a so much more complete job. Joe's code is always good stuff, but | his docs leave a bit to be desired. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 160) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:42:32 pm | | Little_Birdie> | 'M' and then 2nd link from left in 2nd row. ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 161) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:45:03 pm | | glennmcc> | As to imports, updates, DOCs, comments in code, etc... etc.. etc... | | From now on it's Joe's baby. | | I'm done making changes. | | ============================================================================ | | 162) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:47:35 pm | | glennmcc> | I'll build the release packages from Joe's code and upload them to my site. | | But I'm done with coding. | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 163) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 10:09:32 pm | | ray> | Well I hope not! Joe is a coder not a project manager nor a | documenter. Even if you want to let him control what's gets into | core, you should still handle documentation and such as well as | the interface with the other files. Joe (I'm sure I can anticipate | his view on this) probably has no interest in being anything other | than what he is so good at, namely source code improvements. | As for 'done making changes' sheesh I don't believe you've run dry | but it would be cool to give Joe the final say on core.exe | matters. | Nite nite. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 164) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 10:10:52 pm | | ray> | oh, as to addressbook, so what's happening is that you are | going to a better link right? -- a dedicated page, will get it with | 1.90 doubless. | | | ============================================================================ | | 165) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 10:18:29 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep... dedicated page. | | IMO, that's the way it should have been all along. | | arachne:adressbook == adrsbook.htm | | | ============================================================================ | | 166) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 10:24:02 pm | | glennmcc> | re:"....... don't believe you've run dry.... " | | Nope... not 'run dry'...... | | But after more than 5yrs of core.exe, insight.exe and wwwman.exe | SRC code changes. | Along with many many .HTM, .HTP, .AH and .TXT changes...... | | 'burnt out' | | ============================================================================ Š| | 167) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 10:33:56 pm | | glennmcc> | The 1st changes I made can be found in the Insight.exe SRC code | | ---------- e:attach.c | [119]//!!glennmcc: Nov 5, 2000 "COPY /b" will assure "exact copy" | | ---------- e:convmsg.c | [487]//!!glennmcc: Nov 5, 2000 This will prevent the word "begin" at the | | ---------- e:insight.c | [20]//!!glennmcc: Nov 5, 2000...... new version number ;-) - 3.52 | [771]//!!glennmcc: Nov 5, 2000.... name change ;-) | | ________ | | My 1st change to core.exe ......... | | | ---------- e:adial.c | [177]//!!glennmcc: begin Dec 24, 2000 | | | And my 1st changes to wwwman.exe | | ---------- e:wwwman.cpp | [71]//!!glennmcc: begin Apr 10, 2002 | [304]//!!glennmcc: begin Apr 10, 2002 | [340]//!!glennmcc: begin Apr 10, 2002 | | ============================================================================ | | 168) Sat, Apr 22, 2006 - 8:59:53 am | | ray> | Glenn, my friend, if there was ever a man overdue for a burnout, | it's you. Take a break and then consider this: you try to do too much, | find your best niche and spend your time there instead of trying to | do everything. If I could have things as I'd want them the project | would look like this: | | | Joe: coder at large, esp. bug hunting. | Ray: overall source code maintenance, cleaning, opimizing and | systems analysis. | Glenn: coder at large, overall project integration and maintenace. | VBM: testing, coding, and translation. | Eric: testing, feedback. | Gregy: testing, feeback, design analysis. | Andrej: answers to questions no one else can answer. | MHT: ditto | | etc. Š| | | | ============================================================================ | | 169) Sun, Apr 23, 2006 - 9:50:26 am | | ray> | Where's Joe when you need him? ... in Switzerland stuffing himself | with good chocolate, that's where. | | I've got that buffer change in urlovrl in but I'd like to see this | big $roura$ stuff in action, Glenn, can you recomend some page that | demonstrates the need for this? | | else | MessageToYahoo(); | | | ============================================================================ | | 170) Sun, Apr 23, 2006 - 12:58:44 pm | | ray> | Never mind, what a sissy, how far do you have to look to find | something with a few jpg's? | | | ============================================================================ | | 171) Sun, Apr 23, 2006 - 1:34:08 pm | | glennmcc> | Will over 100 do the trick ? | | The old limit was about 38 to 44 (depending upon the depth of your dir | structure to the temp dir. | | With Joe's mods in-place ... I have not yet seen a problem and I've done | it on pages with over 400 Jpeg thumbnails to be converted. | | | ============================================================================ | | 172) Sun, Apr 23, 2006 - 1:52:13 pm | | glennmcc> | Oh... that is of-course with my experimental compiles which have a limit | of 2048 items in the cache instead of just 256 | | ============================================================================ | | 173) Sun, Apr 23, 2006 - 4:46:31 pm | | ray> Š| Ah! I saw that change, but I just thought of it as a limit on the | history list -- but of course that's just the front end of the | cache. So why would one *not* want 2048 ? Please send a URL for | one of these 400 thumbnail pages Glenn, I'd like to see how my | implementation stacks up and I'll use 2048 too. | | | ============================================================================ | | 174) Sun, Apr 23, 2006 - 6:33:35 pm | | glennmcc> | 2048 requires slows things to a crawl on slower machines. | | It even slows things down quite a bit here on this P4-1.7ghz machine :( | | | ============================================================================ | | 175) Sun, Apr 23, 2006 - 6:34:42 pm | | glennmcc> | A more realistic figure of 768 should be enough for most situations. | | ============================================================================ | | 176) Sun, Apr 23, 2006 - 7:31:53 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Couldn't find one off-hand with that many Jpegs ... so I made one. | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/thumbs/ | | But, unfortunately I mis-spoke..... she can only handle 255. | | ============================================================================ | | 177) Sun, Apr 23, 2006 - 10:01:59 pm | | ray> | It changes speed? I'll test that tomorrow. Anyway I guess the 255 | is controled by another define, can't remember what it's called | but I saw it, try boosing that too. Hmmm, why would boosting LINES | slow anything down? I figure the only perfomance issue would be | with the history size and how much would that matter. Interesting. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 178) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 4:55:54 pm | | glennmcc> | #define LINES 2048 | Š| Increases our capability to 2048 for arachne.cfg, mine.cfg, toolbar.cfg, | history.lst and cache items. | | This of-course increases the memory rewquirements for storing all of the | CFGs in memory and as history.lst gets bigger and bigger with more and more | URLs and the cache keeps getting more and more items in it.... things | begin to slow down because there are many, many more items to search | through to see if the URL we are requesting is already in the cache or | in our history. | | The slow-down can be noticed here on this P-4,1.7ghz machine at about | 850 or 900 items in the cache. | | F8 to clear the cache brings me right back up to _almost_ full speed. | | To all the way back up to full-speed, I must also delete history.lst | | ============================================================================ | | 179) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 5:00:32 pm | | glennmcc> | As top 255 Jpegs converted... | | Yep... I'll bet Joe has something in that modfied code of his that | limits it to 255 | | Since the limit is 256 items in the history and cache... | 1 item is the HTML page containing the 255 images... | | 1 + 255 = 256 | | I'll have a look at his stuff in urlovrl.c to see if we can tie that | limit to 'LINES' | | That way when we increase one, we increase both. | | ============================================================================ | | 180) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 5:01:44 pm | | glennmcc> | Sheeeiiittt... that was east to find. | | #define MAXCONV 255 | | | ============================================================================ | | 181) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 5:05:26 pm | | glennmcc> | So.... | | #ifdef EXP Š| #define MAXCONV 2047 | #else | #define MAXCONV 255 | #endif | | Will duplicate the lines define | | #ifdef EXP | #define LINES 2048 | #else | #define LINES 256 | #endif | | | BRB after testing it on my 400 thumbnail page. | (but with these more conservitive figures) | | #ifdef EXP | #define MAXCONV 767 | #else | #define MAXCONV 255 | #endif | | #ifdef EXP | #define LINES 768 | #else | #define LINES 256 | #endif | | ============================================================================ | | 182) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 5:54:55 pm | | glennmcc> | Hmmm, | | For some strange reason it hit a 'ceiling' of 387 | | All 400 images were downloaded but it only converted the 1st 387 | | Those last 13 Jpegs are in the cache but did not get converted to BMPs | | The message in the status bar said.... | | Processing 387 embeded objects..... | | I wonder what is limiting it to 387 ???? | | ============================================================================ | | 183) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 6:01:11 pm | | glennmcc> | Scratch that... they did not get saved into the cache dir | Š| The status bar _did_ show that they were being downloaded | | But they did not get saved. | | Curiouser and curiouser. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 184) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 6:33:44 pm | | glennmcc> | OK, found it. :) | | It was not limited to 387 as a constant... but 387 just happens to be | where it reached the limit of the size of $roura$.bat | | So here are the needed changes in urlovrl.c to get our 767 | conversion capability. | | | | //!!glennmcc: increased to 767 (experimental compile only) | //works in tandom with the increase of LINES define in init.c | #ifdef EXP | #define MAXCONV 767 | #else | #define MAXCONV 255 | #endif | | | | //!!glennmcc: increased to 65536L (experimental compile only) | //works in tandom with the increase of MAXCONV define above | // and the increase of LINES define in init.c | #ifdef EXP | #define CMD_BUF_SIZE 65536L | #else | #define CMD_BUF_SIZE 32768L | #endif | | | | //!!glennmcc: changed to unsigned int (experimental compile only) | //works in tandom with the increase of MAXCONV define above | // and increase of CMD_BUF_SIZE define above | // and the increase of LINES define in init.c | #ifdef EXP | unsigned int cmdlen = 0; | #else | int cmdlen = 0; | #endif | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 185) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 6:41:45 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Now we're "good to go" :)) | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/images/good2go.gif | | | ============================================================================ | | 186) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 6:43:48 pm | | ray> | I'd check the roura created by the conversion. Joe's buffer is | about 32000 bytes so that's 82 bytes per line converted which, given | the lenght of those lines, seems about right. I'm experimenting | right now with using ".\" as the .exe path. So far it works fine and of | course it cuts those conversion lines almost in half. To be a | true smart-ass, tho, you'd next create a 'set' for the cache path: | | set CPATH=x:\arachne\cache\ | | within the roura, then use it for the conversion lines ... get 'em | less than half what they were and bag 700's .jpg easy ;-) | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 187) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 6:45:18 pm | | ray> | Ah, I see you've been working while I was writing ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 188) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 6:52:19 pm | | glennmcc> | Great minds _DO_ think alike. | | Full path.... | | l:\arachne\djpeg32.exe -bmp \arachne\cache\45922501.JPG \arachne\cache\45922 | arachne -rg | | | Dot path.... | | l:\arachne\djpeg32.exe -bmp .\cache\45922621.JPG .\cache\45922621.BMP Š| arachne -rg | | ============================================================================ | | 189) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 6:57:35 pm | | glennmcc> | A reduction from 84 characters to only 70 (including the \n) | | With that 65k bat size ... over 900 items can be converted. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 190) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 7:02:35 pm | | glennmcc> | If we install Arachne into L:\A\ and set our cache to .\C\ | we cut-off 14 more bytes per line trimming it to only 56 per | for about 1170 items that can then be converted. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 191) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 7:04:05 pm | | glennmcc> | We could cut it to 50 per if we renamed djpeg32.exe to just 'd.exe' and | made the needed changes in mime.cfg | | | | ============================================================================ | | 192) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 7:13:47 pm | | glennmcc> | Works like a charm. :)) | | l:\a\d.exe -bmp .\c\45923723.JPG .\c\45923723.BMP | arachne -rg | | | ============================================================================ | | 193) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 7:14:26 pm | | glennmcc> | What else can we 'trim' ???? | | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 194) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 7:15:16 pm | | glennmcc> | We now have the capability of over 1300 conversions. | | ============================================================================ | | 195) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 10:15:09 pm | | ray> | Whoa partner! Let's not get carried away here ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 196) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 10:15:31 pm | | ray> | Oh, but why not 'dot' the .exe path too? | | | ============================================================================ | | 197) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 10:17:20 pm | | ray> | Oh again, hey with a 64K buffer you'd better make sure your | 'min memory' spec is big enough for that. | | | ============================================================================ | | 198) Mon, Apr 24, 2006 - 11:49:20 pm | | gregy> | A question about this.....I have my CACHE set into a separate dir... | R:\CACHE ....not with in my main ARACHNE dir, which is R:\ARACHNE | ... | ..so...will this setup still be usable for me.....??? | (and any others like me...???) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 199) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 5:47:34 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Re: #198 - Why R:\CACHE ?? | | ============================================================================ | Š| 200) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 7:12:40 am | | ray> | Gregy, | | Ditto here, I just 'dot' my .exe path. But you could do some | renaming like Glenn did above. I'm going to rename my cache dir to | "X:\AR\" and the converter to "jpeg2.exe". | | | ============================================================================ | | 201) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 8:55:24 am | | vbm> | re 198: | Gregy, I have the CACHE dir ti l:\tmp\ and main Arachne dir is R:\ARA\ | and Ray's code is works | | | ============================================================================ | | 202) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 9:04:08 am | | vbm> | add 201: | if I right understood asking Gregy... ;-)))))))))) | | Ray, I'd testing testing your code about roura, but still can't answer | by email - busy - try downloading nvidia drivers... :-)))))) | | ============================================================================ | | 203) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 2:45:53 pm | | ray> | What is nvidia ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 204) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 4:53:08 pm | | glennmcc> | nvidia is brand of video card. | | | ============================================================================ | | 205) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 4:56:49 pm | | glennmcc> | Gregy, | | No problem with cache on R:\cache\ Š| | Even with my regular dir structure which gave this commnd line in | $roura$.bat.... | | l:\arachne\djpeg32.exe -bmp \arachne\cache\45922501.JPG \arachne\cache\45922 | | The change I made still allow for 767 Jpeg conversions. | | Yor setup would result in this shorter command line... | | l:\arachne\djpeg32.exe -bmp R:\cache\45922501.JPG R:\cache\45922501.BMP | | ============================================================================ | | 206) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 5:13:04 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | re:"Whoa partner! Let's not get carried away here ;-)" | | Hey !!! | | Don't go tryin' to stop me when I'm on a roll. | | ============================================================================ | | 207) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 5:14:22 pm | | glennmcc> | As for dotting the EXE path..... | | Now yer talkin' | | We could push her up to about 1500 conversions. | | | ============================================================================ | | 208) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 5:56:00 pm | | glennmcc> | Bad news. | | Many, many Xswap crashes. :(( | | New settings | | LINES 388 | | MAXCONV 387 | | cmdline changed back to int instead of unsigned int | | 387 ought to be enough for everyone. Š| | | | | ============================================================================ | | 209) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 5:56:47 pm | | glennmcc> | Oh yeah... buffer size changed back to 32k also. | | ============================================================================ | | 210) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:04:01 pm | | ray> | yeah, you well pushing your luck there, probably more than one | magic limit was breached, probably xswap has a few limits built in | there too. Me I'll stick with 255 till you can say for sure a higher | number is safe. BTW been doing speed tests with LINES and | bogus tho it seems, I actually run faster with '2048' than with | '256' go figure. Interesting experiments all round tho. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 211) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:05:06 pm | | ray> | Remember, who the Gods would destroy they first set on a roll < gggg > | | | ============================================================================ | | 212) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:36:13 pm | | glennmcc> | 2048 might be faster than 256 to start with ... | | But it won't stay that way when you have accumulated over 900 | items in the cache and history. | | ============================================================================ | | 213) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 7:15:41 pm | | glennmcc> | current mem stats... | | Dos mem 222,128 [+] green | | memcore.dgi shows core.exe using 421,152 bytes | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 214) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 9:12:54 pm | | ray> | 374,464 here. I'll follow your leed on these overlay/static | experiments if it doesn't hurt speed too much. I'm 6% faster than | 1.90 right now but that's before the 1.90 level improvements, I've got | them in place but some aren't active yet. | | That makes sense about the cache once it gets plugged up. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 215) Thu, Apr 27, 2006 - 12:07:15 am | | gregy> | Vladimir...thank you...Glenn....thank you....that eases my mind about | that... | ... | Eric..."why..??"....hmmmmm....."just because"...... | .. | Actually, I WANT my cache separate, and directly off the root...and..of | course...on my RAMdisk.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 216) Thu, Apr 27, 2006 - 8:07:26 am | | Eric> | Gregy, That's not much of a scientific/"logical" reason! | | | ============================================================================ | | 217) Thu, Apr 27, 2006 - 9:11:29 pm | | gregy> | Eric....as a "retired" (but NOT too tired) engineer....I refuse to be | bound by any "logical scientific reasoning" whenever I'm dealing with | my "personal preferences"...... | | | ============================================================================ | | 218) Thu, Apr 27, 2006 - 11:57:07 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, OK, be that way...grab ahold of that hand the anti-logic masses | is holding out for you...but...beware...that centrifugal force | increases mighty fast when they "crack the whip". Remember, it's | the "to hell with your scientific reasoning" bunch! They don't need Š| any reason or non-reason to change direction....what ever feels good | will susfice! Did you ever have a "loon" pull a "U" turn in | front of you on a 6 lane road from the far right lane, during rush hour in t | you discard logical reasoning then that's the group your joining hands with. | | ============================================================================ | | 219) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 12:29:59 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I thought that you, of all people, might have a good | reason for altering the default directory tree. You know | I have learned "semper fi" to the default unless modification is | required to avoid some "sniper"! Such as that damn F8 key!! | | | ============================================================================ | | 220) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 9:56:59 am | | vbm> | at least I finishe that chertov downloads... abot 70 mb did = 2x20 mb | +30mb. it was nightmare, with breakings every a few minutes... | 8-)))))))) | | but I did it... | | ============================================================================ | | 221) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 10:05:01 am | | vbm> | now I'll rest two days... | | ============================================================================ | | 222) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 1:01:37 pm | | ray> | Yes, then some hard labour testing 1.90 improvements in my code ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 223) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 5:34:37 pm | | glennmcc> | ar190 801 (since Apr 17, 2006) | | 801 / 11 = 72.8 per day | | ============================================================================ | | 224) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 5:35:29 pm Š| | glennmcc> | Who *are* these people ??? | | Beat ya' to it again | | ============================================================================ | | 225) Sat, Apr 29, 2006 - 8:24:22 am | | ray> | When are you going to start inviting these people to the | lists and start sending out press gangs to bash the smart ones | over the head so's we can put them to work? There's gotta be some | talent in those people. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 226) Sat, Apr 29, 2006 - 2:36:13 pm | | glennmcc> | If we knew the answer to the question in question , we could ask them. | | But since we don't.... we can't. | | ============================================================================ | | 227) Tue, May 02, 2006 - 3:32:12 am | | vbm> | re 222: | | well, Ray, where is a code for testing???? | | ============================================================================ | | 228) Tue, May 02, 2006 - 7:09:22 am | | ray> | Vladimir, | | I got it ready yesterday, I'll send it to my tripod site after | work this afternoon. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 229) Tue, May 02, 2006 - 6:43:40 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | Š| 6v.zip at ftp.tripod.com. | | | ============================================================================ | | 230) Tue, May 02, 2006 - 7:44:24 pm | | glennmcc> | BRB | | ============================================================================ | | 231) Tue, May 02, 2006 - 7:49:45 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | index.htm updated | | http://rayandrews0.tripod.com/ | | | | ============================================================================ | | 232) Tue, May 02, 2006 - 10:05:25 pm | | ray> | Now that's what I call service. | | | ============================================================================ | | 233) Wed, May 03, 2006 - 3:09:43 am | | vbm> | Ray, Glennnn, spasibo... I'd downloaded 6o & 6v and will rolling with | these... | | ============================================================================ | | 234) Thu, May 04, 2006 - 1:34:15 pm | | vbm> | Ray, I don't have displaying page err_ppp.ah when having dial error... | of course, I'll try fixed it, but you please try fixing too... | I assuming 1.90 b-7 6u core... | spasibo... | | | ============================================================================ | | 235) Thu, May 04, 2006 - 7:12:24 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, Š| | Right, I made a logic mistake here: | | ========================================================================= | | INIT.C: | | // status shows 'Can't open ppp.log' and then Box shows ONLINE -- it | // can't show the timer since that is linked to ppp.log's time stamp. | // ppp.log is now used by core only for the online timer. | | // SUPPOSE WE REQUEST CONNECTION BUT IT FAILS? WE NEED AN EXTRA TEST: | // if(FileExists("PPP.LOG")) | if(!strcmp((char *)getvect(0x60) + 3, "PKT DRVR") | || argv[1][2] == 'd') // Andrej's method :-) // CONNECTION REQUESTED! | ArachneTCPIP(); // initialize TCP/IP // OR REPORT ERROR | | // OR PERHAPS SOMETHING LIKE THIS: | | if(argv[1][2] == 'd' && strcmp((char *)getvect(0x60) + 3, "PKT DRVR")) | sprintf(G.location, "file:err_ppp.ah"); | | ========================================================================== | PROTOCOL.C: | | AnalyseURL(G.location, url, IGNORE_PARENT_FRAME); | } | } | */ | //±6a: A arachneDial() made inline here: | Eif(!strcmpi(url->file, "dialer")) | { | if(!UI.connection) TerminateArachne(137); | | // Create contents of $roura$.bat for dialing. | //. add 'r' here. | | | // ADD 'd' TO ARGUMENT STRING TO INDICATE 'CONNECTION WAS REQUESTED': | sprintf(buffer, "%Ns\narachne -rd", UI.connection); | | | //. Do we need this? Perhaps these tests should be in init.c for | //. returning from any error? | /* | if((!strcmpi(p->Frame[p->ActiveFrame].CacheItem.URL, UI.dialpage) | || strstr(p->Frame[p->ActiveFrame].CacheItem.URL, "err_")) | && !aSCRIPTLINE) // Ends up at homepage, or shows error | strcat(buffer, "o"); // see INIT.C '//1' | else strcat(buffer, "r"); // Reload previous page. | */ | ======================================================================== | | But, as I look again at this stuff I think I see some more clarifications | of all these switches. Š| | poka | | | ============================================================================ | | 236) Fri, May 05, 2006 - 9:28:21 am | | vbm> | Ray, spasibo, your code for protocol.c & init.c, exactly first - w/o call e | work, but calling cdlost.ah all time... ;-))))) | so I changed the line atcpip.c | | if( (! (inportb(eBase) & 0x80)) && (!strcmp((char *)getvect(0x60) + 3, "PK | | it works, but when the modem self brokening connect, then try dial and if ha | dial error then call hangup proccess... 8-))))))) | it's comic, truly?... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 237) Fri, May 05, 2006 - 2:40:30 pm | | ray> | Right, no matter what we do, some error pops up somewhere else it's | like trying to kill gophers (little ground rodents) by blocking | their tunnels, they just dig a new hole and pop up somewhere else. | I suppose the 'hangup' can be prevented by rechecking the '-rd' | anyway one day this will all make perfect logic and be better than | what we started with because we will have more accurate error | reports to user. | | -modem error | -no ppp driver loaded | -driver loaded but no connection | -etc. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 238) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 9:25:25 am | | ray> | Vladimir, | | I was right about init.c, I've found many more optimizations there and | cut out about 70 lines with about 500 bytes more memory and still not | finished. Maybe one day init.c will be one screen full ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 239) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 12:45:59 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Can you tell me what: | | =========================================================================== | INIT.C, 1.89 SOURCES: | | //THIS | InitInput(&tmpeditor,"","",1,CONTEXT_SYSTEM);//URL input prompt | | if(fonty(SYSFONT,0)==14) | MakeInputAtom(&URLprompt,&tmpeditor,50,-21,p->htscrn_xsize,-3); | else if(fonty(SYSFONT,0)<=16) | MakeInputAtom(&URLprompt,&tmpeditor,50,-22,p->htscrn_xsize,-2); | else | MakeInputAtom(&URLprompt,&tmpeditor,50,-25,x_maxx()-152,-2); | | // AND THIS | InitInput(&tmpeditor,"","",1,CONTEXT_SYSTEM);//text input prompt | | ============================================================================ | | ... are for? Note the first and second are duplicates. Anyway, I | have these lines commented in my code to see what they do, and I can't | find any defect. | | Tx. | | | ============================================================================ | | 240) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 1:34:31 pm | | glennmcc> | I have no idea what that's for. | | Maybe Joe can answer that when he gets back from vacation. | | | ============================================================================ | | 241) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 6:48:08 pm | | ray> | Thanks, as an experiment, try commenting them out and see if you | can see anything amiss. Looks like some initialization to me, but | might be redundant, I just finished cutting out a dozen similar | pointless initializations (global variables are zeroed by default, | etc.) | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 242) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 7:04:25 pm | | glennmcc> | Michael seemed to think there was a point to those pointless initializations | | Who am I to argue with the original author ? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 243) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 8:08:46 pm | | ray> | He made many mistakes Glenn, don't think just because he did something | it should be assumed to be right. We've spent years tracking down his | bugs and besides them, there are even more examples of sloppy code that | works but is wasteful, how do you think I've managed to scrape up | 80K more memory and still run faster than stock? Nope, there is | absolutely no point in zeroing a global variable on startup. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 244) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 8:16:54 pm | | ray> | Thing about MP is/was that he is the ultimate Yin sort of guy -- he | just wanted to get things working and didn't care about the mess he | made doing it, thus errors and sloppiness compound until it's one hell | of a mess. Me, I'm the ultimate Yang sort of guy. I wish I'd come on | board when he started. With me to keep his code clean who knows | what might have happened? | | | ============================================================================ | | 245) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 8:52:13 pm | | glennmcc> | Me... I'm a 'Yin Yang' kind of a guy. | | I don't really mind how messy a thing is so long as it works. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 246) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 5:34:25 am | | vbm> | Ray,please, explain - why if using code as 235, 236 (also I'd add 'd' Š| to section :termin of arachne.bat) & using BOOTP don't creating ppp.log | & don't run online timer? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 247) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 5:55:01 am | | vbm> | same as with MYIP set. | | only "online" message has been displaying... | | hey programmmers, is there a methods to defferrentiate a modems from | a netcards??? | | may be better e. g. MYIP using only for a modems and BOOTP bonly for a | necards? | | ============================================================================ | | 248) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 3:40:12 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Sorry I don't know what you mean by '235, 236'. | Do we need 'd' for hangup too? Maybe that makes sense but please | explain. | | As to the online timer, right now it uses ppp.log but that can be | changed easily or we can even force creation of ppp.log just to | start the timer. Or we can even create a new file '$online$' just | to start the timer with network or modem and never mind ppp.log. | Best to ask Andrej about netword cards he knows everything ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 249) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 4:32:41 pm | | glennmcc> | To get the online timer working with NIC/BOOTP | | [profile] | Profile ara-net.ACF | Connection @call c:\1batch\loadlne.bat>ppp.log | Hangup @call c:\1batch\unloadln.bat | | [dialer] | DialPage file:pppenhan.htm | Dialer NULL | | [tcp/ip] Š| IP_Address BOOTP | | | Alt+D loads my NIC driver and starts the online timer | | Alt+H unloads it and as expected, places 'offline' in the lower-right | | | ============================================================================ | | 250) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 6:43:25 pm | | ray> | Yup, anything that creates the file will do the job. Come to think | of it, since we always explicitly create ppp.log in our connection | commands, there isn't much difference with a NIC, just make sure | that somewhere in the process you create ppp.log. Hmmm, that seems | quite clear now, thanks Glenn. | | | ============================================================================ | | 251) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 6:48:31 pm | | ray> | With my system all that would be needed is: | | Connection @netcon.bat | | Which then contains something like: | | my_nic.exe | echo my network driver loaded > ppp.log | | so that the file is created even if you can't echo output from the | driver itself. | | But, Vladimir and I want to be able to detect a NIC card at the | hardware level just like we now do with PKT_DRVR (or whatever it | is, can't remember) for modems so that the packet driver test doesn't | trip up if we are connected otherwise than with a packet driver. | If that made any sense. | | | ============================================================================ | | 252) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 6:56:24 pm | | glennmcc> | With an NIC, you _are_ connected with a packet driver. | | lne100tx.com is the packet driver for my LinkSys lne100tx NIC card. | | | Mon 5-08-2006 | 19:54:32.33 Š| [OPENDOS 7.01] C:\>lh c:\lne100tx\lne100tx.com -1 -a -f -s 0x60 | Linksys LNE100TX Fast Ethernet Adapter Packet Driver v 1.06 (991217) | Copyright (C) 2000 Linksys GroupAll Rights Reserved. | | My Options | Packet Driver Interrupt Number 0x60 | I/O Port 0xC400 | Hardware Interrupt Number 11 | Medium Type is 100baseTx Full Duplex | My Ethernet Address is 00:04:5A:45:55:9D | Packet Driver is loaded at segment C902 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 253) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 9:08:44 pm | | ray> | Makes sense to me. Does is show that PKT_DRV string as fereted out | by that line I've got in init.c? I dunno, but I'm thinking that with | a NIC card a seperate packet driver might not be needed because | the packet driver is sorta built in to the NIC -- part of the | package that makes the card work at all. IOW without a packet driver | the NIC would be of no use for anything. Anyway, it could be that a | NIC card doesn't identify itself as PKT_DRV but as NW_DRV or | something to that effect. Easy to check using that line. | Let me just grab it: | | | | ============================================================================ | | 254) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 9:12:13 pm | | ray> | printf("\r%s", (char *)getvect(0x60) + 3); | | should show what your card calls itself. | | BTW you're right that I've got to check all the vectors but I don't | even know if I'll keep this stuff yet. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 255) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 9:44:37 pm | | glennmcc> | No..... there ain't no such thing as a built-in packet driver. | | lne100tx.com is the packet driver and it must be loaded in-order to use | the NIC | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 256) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 10:26:55 pm | | glennmcc> | re: printf("\r%s", (char *)getvect(0x60) + 3); | | | Ya mean like this ? | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/pkt_drvr.gif | | Yep... my NIC packet driver (lne100tx.com), | _is_ identifying itself as "PKT DRVR" | | ============================================================================ | | 257) Tue, May 09, 2006 - 3:48:36 am | | vbm> | re 248: | Ray, I meant messages 235, 236.... | | and seems only a modems heve the CD signal so would be better online timer | run by it??? | | ============================================================================ | | 258) Tue, May 09, 2006 - 3:54:33 am | | vbm> | like - if exists cd signal, then online timer start... | but it's seems may be problems with xDSL cards, yes??? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 259) Tue, May 09, 2006 - 4:03:21 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Oh, sorry for being stupid, that is obvious <;-) | So, if modems only have CD signal it should be easy to make a guard. | Something like: | | if( ! strcmp(UI.connection, "READY") | (CD break tests); | | My thinking is that 'READY' is always used if there is no modem, | right?, so we just make sure we are not using that before going to the | CD break test. I guess that with DSL cards we would also use 'READY' | so that guard should work there too. Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 260) Tue, May 09, 2006 - 4:10:06 pm | | ray> | And you know, if there is some other trouble with CD break we can | always make it a user option: | | UseCDbreak NO | | So the user can just ignore that code completely. My guess is that | probably that code will cause someone trouble sometime. | | so then we have: | | if( ! strcmp(UI.connection, "READY") && UI.usecdbreak) | (CD break tests); | | Hey, do you know how to add a keyword? If not, it's very simple: | | Add keyword to keywords.cfg, add new member in uiface.h | Make sure the new keywords are in exactly the same place in both | files or all hell breaks loose! Also make sure the keywords are | in the correct section (default to NO, or default to YES). | | | ============================================================================ | | 261) Tue, May 09, 2006 - 4:12:01 pm | | ray> | If you do it right, everything else is automatic :-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 262) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 4:49:19 am | | vbm> | re 260, 261: | spasibo, Ray, I'll try it... | now I try creating messages.* for wwwman... | | if you'll find fix to error from msg 236, will kind write me please... | | | Glenn, why "MailTop" don't existing in setup files? | | and maybe better all a settings of email bring to one file??? | | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 263) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 5:48:52 am | | vbm> | Eric, if new mail.htm is your work? | then please look to my mail.htm from http://mvb.kbsu.ru/files/1.90/rusify.ap | don't look to Russian words, look to table bottom... ;-))))) | | ============================================================================ | | 264) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 7:18:22 am | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Ok, I always have this CD break thing in the back of my mind. BTW you | read where Glenn says even a network card will report PKT_DRVR ? ... | so that is good. You know one answer is just to forget about the | CD check on startup and only use the one call in guievent.c since | all these problems only happen on startup. With the check in guievent.c | any keystroke checks for CD break so maybe that is good enough. | Anyway, right now I'm still working in init.c. I've cut it down | to 590 lines with many optimizations. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 265) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 4:20:15 pm | | Eric> | Vladimir, Now what do I do....reinstall?...I can't read | Russian! BTW, I didn't know "email" was a Russian word. | The page looks good to me but I can't compare it to the original | because your APM over wrote the original English page! | | ============================================================================ | | 266) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 4:22:32 pm | | glennmcc> | vdm, | | Because MailTop is expermental, and is not intended for 'public use'. | | Only we developers need know that it exists. | | Since Joe saw fit to place this line in his changes.txt | | * Added "MailTop" keyword, per Glenn. | | Any 'public user' who feels like experimenting can go ahead and add the | line manually. | Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 267) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 10:53:07 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | FYI, that line I queried you about: | | InitInput(&TmpEditor ... | | without it, if you use Ctrl+L without a search string having been | entered, there is an xswap error. Seems the buffer space needs to | be initialized to empty string (which makes perfect sense). | Yup, my rule hardly ever fails: if you want to know what something | does, take it out and see what happens :-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 268) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 10:57:18 pm | | glennmcc> | Not a bad rule to have.... not too bad at-all. | | And now we know why those initializations are needed. | | Thanks for testing. | | ============================================================================ | | 269) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 3:46:05 am | | vbm> | re 264: | spasibo, Ray, I'll looking to guievent.c... | about PKT DRVR I'd searching it to packet drivers from distro of Arachne | and all these contains that word, but all netcards haven't CD signal... ;-) | | re 265: | Eric, sorry, I never mind that you'll install rusify.apm ;-), IMO enough ope | by ARJ and that all... about reinstall: probably I too late, but try open | ar190gpl.exe by rar 2.50 and extract needs files...;-))))) | and of course I can replace "email" to Russian word, but it will not nice vi | :-)))))))))) | | re 266: | Glennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, who is vdm???????? ;-)))))))))))))))) | spasibo for explaining....... | | ============================================================================ | Š| 270) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 8:17:56 am | | glennmcc> | vdm is that guy who keeps making me make typos. ;-)))) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 271) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 8:25:41 am | | vbm> | Ray, I'd looking to guievent.c... | and see that when proccessing the line: | | return FGotoPage("%scdlost.ah", gGUIpath); | | in URL field and in file history.lst has been the line: | | http://.\system\gui\cdlost.ah/ | | as I understand this and call try dial. | | will be kind explaining what need do for normal work, please. | | | ============================================================================ | | 272) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 5:00:41 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Right, I know the cd check is irrelevant for network cards but I think | we just have to make it a user option so that network users can | disable this. I can't right now think of a way to have an automatic | bypass of the cd check for networks, so for now it must be a user | option, no? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 273) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 5:08:53 pm | | ray> | Now, I just checked that in guievent, and it seems I wrote it wrong, | it should be: | | return FGotoPage("file:%scdlost.ah", gGUIpath); | | Thanks for finding it. Let me know if there are any more troubles | with it. (Without 'file' it assumes http: and dials to try to find it.) | | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 274) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 6:01:52 pm | | Eric> | Vladimir, I'm getting used to the Russian labels....but.... | I don't know how to pronounce them! | | ============================================================================ | | 275) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 6:05:09 pm | | Eric> | Vladimir, It's very hard to read those Russian letters when | one reduces their size by using a higher resolution. | | ============================================================================ | | 276) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 9:31:41 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Why do some of the err_*.ah pages not have our friend the | skull? Shouldn't the non-fatal ones all have one skull and | the fatal ones have three? I love that skull, it's so Michael. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 277) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 9:44:21 pm | | ray> | waitaminute! There there with your core just not with mine. | Gotta be a bug. | | | ============================================================================ | | 278) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 10:21:56 pm | | ray> | Yup, a boggey. Good to have the skull back. This is what happens | when I don't have Eric testing for me, bugs sit around for a couple | of months undetected :( The fact is that I myself am a lousy | general tester, I only notice things I'm working on at the moment. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 279) Sat, May 13, 2006 - 5:48:04 am | Š| vbm> | re 273: | Ray, spasibo, a first look it works... ;-))))))))))))))) | about bug with the skull: I notifi it long time ago, but think it's | feature... ;-)))))))))) | | re 274,275: | | Eric, can you read those Russian words without installing needs | fonts???? 8-))))))))))))))))))))) | | sizes of fonts using by original... | | Now Glenn, or Ray, I did finished collecting a messages of wwwman to one | file, but have a problems with compiling it, so please, download it from | http://mvb.kbsu.ru/3wman.rar, and try fixing these. sorry, but I haven't | time and simple don't know how fixing it... | | | ============================================================================ | | 280) Sat, May 13, 2006 - 9:49:28 am | | ray> | Vladimir, | | I have been thinking about this stuff, expect some new ideas in | a few days. The missing skull was a bug in htmltag3.c ca. line 220. | | Should be: | | Atom.xx = p->DocRight + 1; | Atom.y = y; | p-> ..... | Atom.x = p->DocRight; | Atom.yy ... | | I had: | | Atom.x = Atom.xx = .... | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 281) Sat, May 13, 2006 - 9:52:48 am | | ray> | Ok, I have that file and will look when I have time. (I must work | on my motorcycle today). | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 282) Sat, May 13, 2006 - 8:04:54 pm | | ray> | Glenn, possible bug in html.c: | | | case tgFRAME: // TAG_FRAME in your code. | if(UI.frames && emptyframeset != -1) | FrameTag(&emptyframeset, &previousframe); | else | { | DummyFrame(p, &x, &y); | goto br; | } | // BUG?? | break; //Þ Shouldn't there be a break here?? | case tgMETA: // TAG_META in your code. | MetaTag(); | break; | // The 'easy' tags, i.e. those with no goto's are | // in this module to reduce .exe size. | | I've run it with the break addded and it seems ok. If this is | indeed a bug it's not serious, probably just a pointless call | to MetaTag(); | | | | ============================================================================ | | 283) Sat, May 13, 2006 - 9:36:06 pm | | glennmcc> | That's the original MP code. | | I amde no changes to that section. | | ============================================================================ | | 284) Sat, May 13, 2006 - 9:54:21 pm | | ray> | Yeah, I checked back and saw that it was that way but it still | looks buggy to me, easy thing to forget a break in a huge switch. | You know html so are in a possition to know if there is ever any | reason for the processing of a FRAME tag to run into that for | a META tag (like every FRAME tag must also be considered a META | tag) it could be, but seems unlikely to me. Just a hunch tho. | | | ============================================================================ | | 285) Sat, May 13, 2006 - 9:55:59 pm | | ray> Š| I only tested it on the old hover test pages you saved in /my-stuff | and inserting the break seems to cause no trouble so I figure the | following function call is pointless. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 286) Sun, May 14, 2006 - 6:20:45 am | | glennmcc> | As far as I know.... nope, no such situation exists. | | I think you're right..... Michael simply missed putting in one break. | | ============================================================================ | | 287) Sun, May 14, 2006 - 8:39:07 am | | ray> | I remember back when I was cleaning, html.c was the worst of a bad | lot. God what a mess! Hard to believe that it worked at all, so | an oversight or two is hardly unexpected. There are a few more 'missing' | breaks, but I'm sure that most of them are intentional. | | | ============================================================================ | | 288) Sun, May 14, 2006 - 1:35:53 pm | | glennmcc> | Maybe intentional... maybe more mistakes. | | But as you pointed-out... that missing break does nothing more than | 'ask the question' case tgMETA: when it does not need to be asked. | | Since in this case the answer will always be 'no'.... it causes no | problems. | | Due to the 'no' ... the next break breaks the loop. | | | ============================================================================ | | 289) Sun, May 14, 2006 - 6:13:08 pm | | ray> | In this case that seems correct, but an omitted break can cause | trouble. I wouldn't be suprised if some of our html rendering | bugs are caused by omitted breaks. Hmmm, maybe I should do | a systematic listing for your parusal, want a list? | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 290) Sun, May 14, 2006 - 6:20:23 pm | | ray> | Hey, just rereading your post, it occurs to me that you might just | have a misunderstanding of how switches work. The next 'case' | statement does not function as an 'if'. In this case the next | fuction: MetaTag(); *will* be processed, the 'case tgMETA' is | invisible to the program flow. This is very counter intuative and | it's one reason why switches often contain bugs. We intuatively | think of it as a shorthand for | | if( | else | if( | else | if( | | when infact, once the switch has been entered, it keeps executing | untill a break or a return is found, even if that means moving | past several 'case' statements. | | ============================================================================ | | 291) Sun, May 14, 2006 - 6:24:37 pm | | ray> | You can verify this by putting a 'beep()' inside MetaTag() | then loading a framed page, like the css test pages you've kept. | It will beep. In this case, it seems that the incorrect function | call does no harm besides waste time, but it could be much | worse. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 292) Sun, May 14, 2006 - 6:52:21 pm | | glennmcc> | I might be wrong... but I don't think this beep(); will happen. | | case tgFRAME: // TAG_FRAME in your code. | if(UI.frames && emptyframeset != -1) | FrameTag(&emptyframeset, &previousframe); | else | { | DummyFrame(p, &x, &y); | goto br; | } | | case tgMETA: // TAG_META in your code. | { | MetaTag(); | beep(); Š| } | break; | | | ============================================================================ | | 293) Sun, May 14, 2006 - 6:59:55 pm | | glennmcc> | If the if is true... FrameTag() will be execuited over in htmlutil.c | | If the if if false.... we goto br | | We will never get to 'case tgMETA:' | unless the case of the switch actually _is_ tgMETA | | ============================================================================ | | 294) Sun, May 14, 2006 - 10:59:59 pm | | ray> | Sure we will, *if* FrameTag() is executed, because once that returns, | program flow then flows right past the next case and into MetaTag(). | Mind, if FrameTag() is not executed, then the 'goto br' will indeed | break from the switch. However, it is possible that FrameTag could | contain an 'exit()' with would then not return of course (but | it doesn't). Ditto for MetaTag(), both functions could then go | on wild goose chases but must eventualy return. | | Also, once the switch has been entered, the truth of 'tgMETA' is | irrelevant! it isn't rechecked although again, this is | counterintuative. Nope, the cases are only used to 'enter' the | switch, after that they are invisible and not checked again. | Switches let you do all sorts of dangerous stuff. I remember when | I took my second programming credit, my instructor showed the class | some switches that were actualy funny, laugh out lound funny because | of the crazy things you can make them do. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 295) Sun, May 14, 2006 - 11:00:54 pm | | ray> | BTW, the logic in your sources is exactly the same there, you | don't have to play with my code to explore this. | | | ============================================================================ | | 296) Mon, May 15, 2006 - 1:25:15 pm | | glennmcc> Š| Ah HA !!! | The light begins to shine through. ;-) | | Thank you. | | ============================================================================ | | 297) Mon, May 15, 2006 - 5:10:11 pm | | Eric> | Jake, Yeh, dogs are happy if they can just find a | nice fire hydrandt or a spiffy new car wheel hubcap to | decorate...or...a cute butt to sniff. | | | ============================================================================ | | 298) Mon, May 15, 2006 - 5:12:55 pm | | Eric> | Forget post #297...went to wrong board...I backed up too far. | | ============================================================================ | | 299) Mon, May 15, 2006 - 5:17:31 pm | | Eric> | Forget post #297...went to wrong board...I backed up too far. | | ============================================================================ | | 300) Mon, May 15, 2006 - 5:27:59 pm | | glennmcc> | Double post ? | | Using Opera ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 301) Mon, May 15, 2006 - 6:53:01 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | IIRC, you haven't yet written a switch, so we are in no danger ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 302) Mon, May 15, 2006 - 7:00:43 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep.... played with 'em a little bit here and there, Š| but never 'wrote one from scratch'. | | ============================================================================ | | 303) Mon, May 15, 2006 - 7:11:06 pm | | glennmcc> | Just now tested your suggestion. | | case TAG_FRAME: // | if(user_interface.frames && emptyframeset!=-1) | FRAMEtag(&emptyframeset,&previousframe); | else | { | DummyFrame(p,&x,&y); | goto br; | } | | case TAG_META: | { | METAtag(); | Piip(); | } | break; | | _________ | | It beeps on http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/testcssf.htm | | _________________________ | | | case TAG_FRAME: // | if(user_interface.frames && emptyframeset!=-1) | FRAMEtag(&emptyframeset,&previousframe); | else | { | DummyFrame(p,&x,&y); | goto br; | } | break; | | case TAG_META: | { | METAtag(); | Piip(); | } | break; | | _____________ | | No more beep on testcssf.htm | | However, due to the fact that my 'front page' _does_ contain a Meta | tag......... it beeps at http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ Š| | Now I'll remove that beep but I'll leave the break in-place. | | | Good work Ray.... thank you. :)) | | | ============================================================================ | | 304) Mon, May 15, 2006 - 7:20:55 pm | | glennmcc> | OK, beep gone... credit added. ;-) | | case TAG_FRAME: // | if(user_interface.frames && emptyframeset!=-1) | FRAMEtag(&emptyframeset,&previousframe); | else | { | DummyFrame(p,&x,&y); | goto br; | } | break;//!!ray: May 15, 2006 | | case TAG_META: | METAtag(); | break; | | | ============================================================================ | | 305) Mon, May 15, 2006 - 9:11:52 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, No opera....the response time was so slow that | Arachne acted like she was locked up...trying to figure out | what was going on I must have accidently sent the posting | a second time....I'm not sure who is responsible for the | slow response time....it seems to come and go. | | ============================================================================ | | 306) Mon, May 15, 2006 - 9:23:48 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Come to think of it, I used to get those dreadfully slow postings | to the boards too, but it's been a long time since I had one. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 307) Wed, May 17, 2006 - 2:24:52 am Š| | vbm> | re 280: | | spasibo,Ray, for skull face fixing... :-))))) | | but to sorry, I noticed that your core doesn't see fixed ip-address if it de | it usually need for a LANs. at least I can using LAN in DOS. ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 308) Wed, May 17, 2006 - 7:25:33 am | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Ok thanks, this is another thing I have never tested. Are all my cores | broken or just recently? Narrow it down as much as you can since this | will help me find it. Probably some little mistake in atcpip.c | | poka | | | | ============================================================================ | | 309) Wed, May 17, 2006 - 8:16:11 am | | vbm> | re 308: | | Ray, seems, I'd fixed this bug: | | atcpip.c | ================= | eBase = (int)(strtol(UI.base, NULL, 0) + 6); | // if( ! (inportb(eBase) & 0x80)) // original | if((! (inportb(eBase) & 0x80)) | && (!strcmp((char *)getvect(0x60) + 3, "PKT DRVR")) | && ((strcmp(UI.connection, "READY") !=0 ))) | ================ | | guievent.c | ================ | | //±3r: Andrej's code to check CD break: initialized in init.c | extern int eBase; | //±6h: Don't check when text area active. Possible: 'pActiveAtom->type != | | if(gTCPIP == 1 && !(inportb(eBase) & 0x80) && ((strcmp(UI.connection, "REA | // if(gTCPIP == 1 && *gToolbarKey != 'E' && !(inportb(eBase) & 0x80)) | | ================ | | I was wonder that that exactly this logic work... Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 310) Wed, May 17, 2006 - 8:18:49 am | | vbm> | core is 190:b-7:6u | | ============================================================================ | | 311) Wed, May 17, 2006 - 1:39:31 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Hey good work! I think the logic is perfect but I simplified the code | a wee bit. Perhaps the test for "READY" is strong enough that we don't need | my idea of adding a keyword to turn CD checking on or off? If we do add | that keyword it would work exactly in the same way, but instead of being | automatic, it is user controled. Automatic is nice, but perhaps there is | some other bug we haven't thought of yet? If so, a keyword gives the | user full control. Or we can have both tests if we want. | | ======================================================= | | int GUIevent DeF (uint key, int mouse) | { | char *link = NULL; | XSWAP formID = IE_NULL; | FUNCNORM | { | //±3r: Andrej's code to check CD break: initialized in init.c | extern int eBase; | //±6h: Don't check when text area active. Possible: 'pActiveAtom->type != | if(gTCPIP == 1 && *gToolbarKey != 'E' | && !(inportb(eBase) & 0x80) // Modem is not connected and ... | // vbm: we are NOT using "READY" ("READY" == using network not modem!) | && strcmpi(UI.connection, "READY")) // NOTE SIMPLER FORM, "!=0" ISN'T NEE | { // AND PERHAPS THIS SHOULD NOT BE CAS | gTCPIP = 0; // SENSITIVE? | Beep(); | G.no2hist = 1; | | ============================================================================ | | #ifdef DEBUG | if(!UI.connection) TerminateArachne(140); // Sorry, You have no 'connectio | if(!UI.ip_address) TerminateArachne(141); // Sorry, You have no 'ip_addres | #endif | //±3r: Andrej's code to check CD break: also used in GUIevent() | // 0x3f8 == com1 0x2f8 == com2, then add 6 to get needed byte. | eBase = (int)(strtol(UI.base, NULL, 0) + 6); | if( ! (inportb(eBase) & 0x80) // Modem is not connected and ... | // vbm: a packet driver is loaded and ... Š| && ! strcmp((char *)getvect(0x60) + 3, "PKT DRVR") | // vbm: we are NOT using "READY" ("READY" == using network not modem!) | && strcmpi(UI.connection, "READY")) | { | Beep(); | G.no2hist = 1; | sprintf(gLocation, "file:%serr_cd.ah", gGUIpath); | aPAGETIME = time(NULL); // Otherwise page doesn't show!! | return; | } | Outs(cTCPIP); // Initializing TCP/IP... | | ============================================================================ | | 312) Wed, May 17, 2006 - 2:35:57 pm | | glennmcc> | Checking for 'Connection Ready' is no good. | | Arache can beused with 'Connection Ready' with a modem by using an | external dialer/packet driver combo. | | --- connect.bat --- | lsppp.exe | ___________________ | | --- lsppp.cfg --- | /M:at&fs7=90s11=50 | /x | /i:4 | /b:bx800 | /d:330-984-4005 | /B:115200 | /V:60 | /U:glennmcc@cisnet.com | /P:****** | _________________ | | --- in arachne.cfg --- | Connection Ready | Dialer NUL | IP_Address BOOTP | ______________________ | | | ============================================================================ | | 313) Wed, May 17, 2006 - 4:45:16 pm | | ray> | Good point, but this is just a guard against the cd break page | rearing it's ugly head when it's inapropriate and that should do | for now, at least for Vladimir. This whole show will probably change | several more times, we still don't have a really clear, focused | grasp of things. the cd break test is useful in theory and I'd like Š| to keep it but a cleaner approach is needed. Hmmm, maybe I could | use 'Connect NETWORK' or sumpin' to stear things better and use | that as the controler for the check. Needs work. | | | ============================================================================ | | 314) Wed, May 17, 2006 - 4:56:31 pm | | glennmcc> | What you really need is a 'hardware test' to see if the connection | is being made by a modem or an NIC | | There are many 'system info' programs out ther which identify | what hardware is in a machine. | | What we need is a 'hardware detection' routine. | | ============================================================================ | | 315) Wed, May 17, 2006 - 11:01:10 pm | | ray> | That sounds like the robust answer, no more fiddling about with these | obscure tests. OTOH, most people at least know what hardware they are | using, so once we get proper filters in place there should be no | false tests. OTOOH, such a hardware detection sounds like a nice | adition to the instalation wizard, I mean before running the modem | tests it might first determine if there is a modem at all or if a NIC | is being used instead. A nice touch for beginners. So many | posibilities. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 316) Thu, May 18, 2006 - 4:45:58 pm | | glennmcc> | That is exactly what _is_ being done during the modem detection process. | | comtool.com actually is a hardware detetion program. | | The problem is, it can only check the 4 'standard' com ports. | | It can't detect the newer PCI modems such as mine that's not on any | of those standard com port numbers. | | As you can see from my lsppp.cfg above... I must access it using the IRQ | and base port address instead of thew com port number. | | But for 'standard' modems, either ISA or PCI that _are_ on com1 thru com4 | comtool.com acytually detects the hardware itself as being a modem. | Š| ============================================================================ | | 317) Thu, May 18, 2006 - 4:47:56 pm | | ray> | Yo! 300K free memory! Funny thing is I'm desperately trying to | _spend_ the stuff ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 318) Thu, May 18, 2006 - 4:48:26 pm | | glennmcc> | It does this by sending an AT command to the comport and waiting to get | the needed response back from the comport. | | Only a modem connected to that port will give the correct response. | | | ============================================================================ | | 319) Thu, May 18, 2006 - 4:49:04 pm | | glennmcc> | | Hi Ray | | | ============================================================================ | | 320) Thu, May 18, 2006 - 4:50:44 pm | | ray> | Ya, but IIRC comtool.com won't specificaly tell you that you have | a NIC vs. a modem. Hey do we have the sources for that? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 321) Thu, May 18, 2006 - 5:07:07 pm | | glennmcc> | It can only tell you that you have a modem. | | That is because it can only test the com ports. | | An NIC is not connected to a comport. | | comtool.com can't detect an NIC | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 322) Thu, May 18, 2006 - 5:09:49 pm | | glennmcc> | file:comtool.txt | | | ============================================================================ | | 323) Thu, May 18, 2006 - 5:37:24 pm | | glennmcc> | My modem is at IRQ4 base port address 0xB800 | | But this is what happens when wizard.exe runs through all of its possibiltie | to try and find a modem connected to any of the com ports 1 thru 4 | | Arachne PPP Wizard - modem settings Arachne v | file:system\gui\wizard.dgi Thu, 18 May 2006 18:3 | ____________________________________________________________________________ | | | ,------------------------------------------- | | | | | Arachne PPP Wizard - modem settings | | |-------------------------------------------+ | |Modem not found - please enter settings | | |of serial port where your modem is | | |connected. Winmodems are not supported, | | |sorry... | | |-------------------------------------------+ | | | | | COM1 (IRQ 4, Base 0x3f8 = | | | "/dev/ttyS0") | | | | | | COM2 (IRQ 3, Base 0x2f8 = | | | "/dev/ttyS1") | | |   | | | COM3 (IRQ 4, Base 0x3e8 = | | | "/dev/ttyS2") | | | | | | COM4 (IRQ 3, Base 0x2e8 = | | | "/dev/ttyS3") | | | | | | Non-standard serial port: | | | | | | | | | Irq: (2,3,4,5,7,9,10,11,12) | | | | | | Base (0x3f8,0x2f8,0x3e8, | | | 0x2e8, ...) | | |   | | | | | | << Previous Continue >> | | | | | | | Š| |-------------------------------------------+ | | ============================================================================ | | 324) Thu, May 18, 2006 - 5:38:27 pm | | glennmcc> | arachne_main\system\dgi\wizard.exe uses comtool.com | | | ============================================================================ | | 325) Thu, May 18, 2006 - 5:39:43 pm | | glennmcc> | Arachne modem detection wizard | | Invented by Dev Teelucksingh - written by Arachne Labs, GNUpyright(G)1998-20 | Uses COMTOOL.COM utility by K.H.Weiss | | Arachne is now trying to detect your modem; this may crash your system. | If you are already wathing this screen for more than 5 minutes, it means | that autodection failed and you have to press Reset button and restart Arach | In this case, please send your modem settings to | | Detecting modem on standard COM2(0x2f8/IRQ 3)... | Detecting modem on standard COM1(0x3f8/IRQ 4)... | Detecting modem on standard COM3(0x3e8/IRQ 4)... | Detecting modem on alternative COM3(0x3e8/IRQ 5)... | Detecting modem on standard COM4(0x2e8/IRQ 3)... | Detecting modem on alternative COM4(0x2e8/IRQ 2)... | Detecting modem on alternative COM4(0x2e8/IRQ 5)... | Detecting unitialized modem on standard COM2(0x2f8/IRQ 3)... | Detecting unitialized modem on standard COM1(0x3f8/IRQ 4)... | Detecting unitialized modem on standard COM3(0x3e8/IRQ 4)... | Detecting modem on alternative COM4 (0x2e8/IRQ 10)... | Detecting modem on alternative COM4 (0x2e8/IRQ 7)... | Detecting modem on alternative (historical ?) COM1 (0x3f8/IRQ 2)... | Detecting modem on alternative COM3 (0x3e8/IRQ 7)... | Detecting modem on alternative COM3 (0x3e8/IRQ 10)... | Detecting modem on alternative COM4 (0x2e8/IRQ 11)... | Detecting modem on alternative COM3 (0x3e8/IRQ 11)... [Note: this is nonstan | *** Modem not found *** | | | ============================================================================ | | 326) Fri, May 19, 2006 - 9:49:48 am | | vbm> | re 311: | spasibo, Ray, your modification work good, seems. ;-))) | why it's automatical? for simplest using - needn't remembering | enable or not nessesary keywords... ;-))))) | Š| | re 312: | Glenn, maybe you are right, such work and klos dialer, | well, how we can detection a packet drivers exactly for a netcards? | | | ============================================================================ | | 327) Fri, May 19, 2006 - 9:58:39 am | | vbm> | add: | well, how detect usings exactly com ports? | and by result detection of com ports enable keyword MODEM??? | and if this keyword is disable - mean using network??? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 328) Fri, May 19, 2006 - 10:03:15 am | | vbm> | forget, of course, if loaded a packet driver... ;-)))))))) | | ============================================================================ | | 329) Fri, May 19, 2006 - 1:20:32 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | But we must resist the temptation to make things too cute. Remember, | such things look good at first but often there is some bug and | with automatic systems they are hard to find. The most important | thing is that there are no headaches for the user. | | | ============================================================================ | | 330) Fri, May 19, 2006 - 4:40:09 pm | | glennmcc> | Yes, forget checking the packet driver. | | When the carrier gets dropped ... the packet driver is still loaded. | | The problem is that for carrier detect... you need to check all of the | possibilites of where the modem might be located. | | My PCI modem is not an the standard com port numbers 1 to 4 and it not | at any of the standard base port addresses. | | It is at IRQ 4, base port address 0xB800 Š| | So you would need to check for CD at all base port addresses | from 0x2e8 all the way to 0xB800 | | And perhaps some other PCI modems are at addresses even higher than that. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 331) Sat, May 20, 2006 - 10:24:52 am | | ray> | That's a very good point. I had to resurect the 'Base' keyword | just to make the CD break checker work (it's gotta know where | to look after all). Anyway, there's no substitute for the | hardware check since, as you say, the driver stays loaded regardless. | Best to just make the CD break check a user option so it can be | used where it's useful and not otherwise. When not used, back to | the check for ppp.log, which sucks but we've survived with it | till now. Still better than Windows tho, which seems to dumb to | handle the fact that a modem may have dropped it's con. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 332) Sun, May 21, 2006 - 5:40:10 pm | | ray> | Nuts, I missed a little milestone that I've been keeping an eye on. | When I started my revision of the code, I figured that the best I'd | ever do was shorten it (working characters only) by about 1/3, and | I rechecked and I'm now down to 62% of 1.90 size. Is 50% possible? | | Na, maybe 55, 60 should be doable tho. | | | ============================================================================ | | 333) Mon, May 22, 2006 - 4:08:00 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | How does 'AcceptCharset' work? It seems that we have two files that | are acceptable, 1250.cp and 8859-2.cp. I had occasion to poke | around in HTTPcharset() in htmlutil.c and boiled the function down | quite a bit but I want to test it to see if I busted something. | Anyway, I thought I'd force one of those charsets by modifying an | email with 'charset=windows-1250" and then using | "Acceptcharset windows-1250" in arachne.cfg but nothing seems to | change with my core or yours. Can you enlighten me? | | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 334) Mon, May 22, 2006 - 4:26:24 pm | | glennmcc> | As far as I know, that only works for HTTP pages. | | BRB | | ============================================================================ | | 335) Mon, May 22, 2006 - 4:35:53 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Yep, it's HTTP stuff. | | HTTP/1.1: Header Field Definitions Arachne v | http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html Mon, 22 May 2006 17:3 | ____________________________________________________________________________ | | part of Hypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1 | RFC 2616 Fielding, et al. | | 14 Header Field Definitions | | This section defines the syntax and semantics of all standard HTTP/1.1 | header fields. For entity-header fields, both sender and recipient refer to | either the client or the server, depending on who sends and who receives the | entity. | | | | 14.2 Accept-Charset | | The Accept-Charset request-header field can be used to indicate what | character sets are acceptable for the response. This field allows clients | capable of understanding more comprehensive or special- purpose character | sets to signal that capability to a server which is capable of representing | documents in those character sets. | | Accept-Charset = "Accept-Charset" ":" | 1#( ( charset | "*" )[ ";" "q" "=" qvalue ] ) | | Character set values are described in section 3.4. Each charset MAY be given | an associated quality value which represents the user's preference for that | charset. The default value is q=1. An example is | | Accept-Charset: iso-8859-5, unicode-1-1;q=0.8 | | The special value "*", if present in the Accept-Charset field, matches every | character set (including ISO-8859-1) which is not mentioned elsewhere in the | Accept-Charset field. If no "*" is present in an Accept-Charset field, then | all character sets not explicitly mentioned get a quality value of 0, except Š| for ISO-8859-1, which gets a quality value of 1 if not explicitly mentioned. | | If no Accept-Charset header is present, the default is that any character | set is acceptable. If an Accept-Charset header is present, and if the server | cannot send a response which is acceptable according to the Accept-Charset | header, then the server SHOULD send an error response with the 406 (not | acceptable) status code, though the sending of an unacceptable response is | also allowed. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 336) Mon, May 22, 2006 - 6:54:57 pm | | ray> | Hey, that's a cool site, nuts the whole ball of wax for these | HTML rules ... one day ;-) | | Anyway, can you give me some idea how I can test this stuff, some | page or other that responds to 'AcceptCharset' ? | On a similar vein, the default is 'MyCharset US-ASCII' right? | is that a 'codepage' like the others or something else entirely? | And where is this thing found? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 337) Mon, May 22, 2006 - 9:58:40 pm | | glennmcc> | Just as Acceptcarset is used strictly for HTTP pages.... | | MyCharset is used strictly for outgoing mails. | | You really _do_ need to start reading what's on the various setup | pages... you know that. | | BRB | | ============================================================================ | | 338) Mon, May 22, 2006 - 10:01:16 pm | | glennmcc> | Arachne local settings Arachne v | file:l:\arachne\system\gui\opt_loc.ah Mon, 22 May 2006 22:5 | ____________________________________________________________________________ | | | ,-------------------------------------------------- | | | | | Arachne local settings | | --------------------------------------------------+ Š| ,----------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | |================================================== | | |Your character set | | | | | | | | | For HTTP other | | | requests | | | (Accept-charset: ISO-Latin-1 ("ISO-8859-1,*" - West Europe & USA) | | | ...) | | | ISO-Latin-2 ("ISO-8859-2,*" - Central Europe) | | | | | | | | | other | | | For outgoing | | | e-mails US-ASCII (7-bit characters) | | | (charset=...) | | | ISO-8859-1 (ISO-Latin-1 - West Europe) | | | | | | ISO-8859-2 (ISO-Latin-2 - Central Europe) | | | | | | | | |Note: these settings won't really change fonts you will see on screen. | | |You have to install correct APM package with desired fonts - these are | | |only the settings for http protocol and MIME e-mail formatting. If you | | |install any font package, settings above will change automatically. | | |=======================================================================| | | | | ============================================================================ | | 339) Mon, May 22, 2006 - 10:05:10 pm | | glennmcc> | In other words..... | | AcceptCharSet changes what goews out during the HTTP request telling the | server which character set you prefer to use. | | MyCharSet changes what goes into the headers of your outgoing mails. | | Niether one of them changes what gets displayed on-screen.... just what | goes into the headers of HTTP requests and email headers respectively. | | | BRB | | | ============================================================================ | | 340) Mon, May 22, 2006 - 10:08:20 pm Š| | glennmcc> | Clipped from the headers of 3 emails created with the 3 settings for MyCharS | | Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII | | Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 | | Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 | | | ============================================================================ | | 341) Mon, May 22, 2006 - 10:10:06 pm | | glennmcc> | Now when those 3 emails are received using an email client that can | display a different font based upon the line in the headers.... | the apropriate chacter set will be used. | | ============================================================================ | | 342) Mon, May 22, 2006 - 10:12:38 pm | | glennmcc> | Arachne can't switch character sets based upon that line. | | We must do it manually by chaning our fonts. | | That's why I created alt-font.apm and the Alt+F hotkey to call-up | file:l:\arachne\alt-font.htm to make it easier. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 343) Mon, May 22, 2006 - 10:12:54 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/apm/alt-font.apm | | 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19:45:16 FE93F5E3 A--W B+1 Š| PROPNI3.FNT 9478 2648 0.279 98-04-28 19:45:16 596594EE A--W B+1 | PROPNI4.FNT 10419 3032 0.291 98-04-28 19:45:16 68EB9837 A--W B+1 | PROPNI5.FNT 11463 3289 0.287 98-04-28 19:45:16 3EBC6071 A--W B+1 | PROPNI6.FNT 17704 4151 0.234 98-04-28 19:45:16 F990FD9D A--W B+1 | PROPNN1.FNT 5758 1990 0.346 00-07-18 14:38:16 9E75CFB6 A--W B+1 | PROPNN2.FNT 6575 2133 0.324 98-04-28 19:45:16 6E7EF929 A--W B+1 | PROPNN3.FNT 8988 2338 0.260 98-04-28 19:45:16 4109EAB5 A--W B+1 | PROPNN4.FNT 9583 2665 0.278 98-04-28 19:45:16 290D8BA0 A--W B+1 | PROPNN5.FNT 10465 2905 0.278 98-04-28 19:45:16 45771D86 A--W B+1 | PROPNN6.FNT 16509 3776 0.229 98-04-28 19:45:16 85159641 A--W B+1 | ------------ ---------- ---------- ----- ----------------- | 61 files 542059 154749 0.285 05-06-15 21:25:08 | | | ============================================================================ | | 345) Mon, May 22, 2006 - 10:17:25 pm | | glennmcc> | This is default alt-font.htm included in the release package..... | | Change font(s) APM not installed Arachne v | file:l:\arachne\alt-font.htm Mon, 22 May 2006 23:1 | ____________________________________________________________________________ | | | Change font(s) APM not installed | | Take this link to download and install alt-font.apm | | | | ============================================================================ | | 346) Mon, May 22, 2006 - 10:18:02 pm | | glennmcc> | And this is the new one included in alt-font.apm | | | Change font(s) Arachne v | file:l:\arachne\alt-font.htm Mon, 22 May 2006 23:1 | ____________________________________________________________________________ | | | Change System font | | Current setting is: | ( blank == not yet changed from original | Choose a system font from those listed below. | | Original Arachne font | | Original | Š| | EGA terminal style | | '1251' '8859-1' '8859-2' 'KOI8-R' | | | | Sanserif style | | '1251' '8859-1' '8859-2' 'KOI8-R' | | | Change HTML proportional font | | Current setting is: | ( blank == not yet changed from original | Choose an HTML proportional font from those listed below. | | Original Arachne HTML proportional font set | | Original | | New HTML proportional font set | | 'New' | | | ============================================================================ | | 347) Tue, May 23, 2006 - 7:09:44 am | | ray> | Actualy I did read that page but it just left me more confused <;-) | And now it's even worse :( I think this is one of those things where | I'm not understanding something basic to HTML that you are taking | as not even needing mention. Don't waste any time with this but ... | | - All the lists of charsets above are inconsistent with each other. | What I have in my subdir is 1250.cp and 8859-2.cp but above are | listed: | | For HTTP - Latin-1 | - Latin-2 ... no iso sets or US-ASCII ?? | | For mail - ISO-8859-1/2 ... but I only have '2' | | ... And if things don't change what is on the screen what use are they? | Why would the charsets for outgoing emails be totaly different than | the ones for incoming HTTP? Isn't a charset a charset? And what's | the dif between a charset and a font? Or a codepage <:( ? | | As you can see, I don't get none of this stuff. | | And where *is* 'US-ASCII' ?? Some file somewhere? Shouldn't it be | 'ascii.cp' or something? Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 348) Tue, May 23, 2006 - 4:08:55 pm | | ray> | Oh, one thing I *do* understand is the dif between a 'system' font | and the others. As I figure, system fonts are always 8x14 in size | and always 'fixed' spacing. This is because the editor is designed around | that size font. I once forced another font to be the system font | and, predictably, the cursor in the IE went all to hell. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 349) Tue, May 23, 2006 - 4:34:31 pm | | glennmcc> | Those are 'codepages' used for other fontsets and other keyboard drivers. | | file:l:\arachne\doc\charsets.htm | | | ============================================================================ | | 350) Tue, May 23, 2006 - 4:39:00 pm | | glennmcc> | Now... are you 100% totally confused ? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 351) Tue, May 23, 2006 - 7:21:09 pm | | ray> | Yup ;-) | | ... but I did find that I do have a zillon *.cp files in different | directories tho just two where they 'should' be, it seems. So we | have: | -fonts | -codepages | -charsets | | Now the thing is these .cp files are all short and all the same | length so whatever they do, they aren't fonts as such. I dunno. | Maybe Vladimir knows about this stuff. | | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 352) Fri, May 26, 2006 - 4:08:21 am | | vbm> | sorry, Ray, I'm knowabout this very small.. | try look to www.unicode.org. or asking Dr. Tyc... | | as I know without necessary font set you can't see e.g. Russians or an | another texts. charset is like to encoding of a text e.g. Russian have | 5 encodings and without needs *.cp files and using in tag meta word | "charset=" with ko8-r or windows-1251. you must need creating fonts for | each charsets. sorry, but more fundamental it knoew Michal. | | ============================================================================ | | 353) Fri, May 26, 2006 - 7:21:26 am | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Well then, I can just assume I have not broken something until | I hear a report that it is broken ;-) | | So are there any bugs left in those last sources? I have had some | interesting projects lately, sources are down by about 15K since | the last code I sent as I find better ways to do some things. Also | speed is now about 9% better than 1.90. Let me know when you are | ready and I'll upload the latest sources, then if there are no | bugs, it's time to look at your translations of wwwman. | | | ============================================================================ | | 354) Mon, May 29, 2006 - 6:01:01 am | | vbm> | I'm ready, but testing will be long time since here begin vacations and | 3 my nephews will play a games here to network, so uncle will sitting | and try fixings tech problems... they are like only windows, soooo.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 355) Mon, May 29, 2006 - 6:01:59 am | | vbm> | :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) | | ============================================================================ | | 356) Mon, May 29, 2006 - 7:15:32 am | | ray> | Tell those boys that unless you get to have your time on the machine, Š| you will not fix their problems ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 357) Wed, May 31, 2006 - 7:00:02 am | | vbm> | I can't fight one aganist 3-d 19, 17, 12 year old boys. ;-)))))))) | | | ============================================================================ | | 358) Fri, Jun 02, 2006 - 6:53:06 pm | | ray> | Eric, Vladimir, | | BASE7 uploaded to: ftp.tripod.com -- rayandrews0 | | ============================================================================ | | 359) Fri, Jun 02, 2006 - 7:12:00 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Sorry, I can't remember how guys get on there without giving them | my password, please refresh me, tx, <;-) | | if you use: "ftp://rayandrews0@ftp.tripod.com" it wants a password. | And then there's the html way, which Eric used and which I can't | remember at all ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 360) Fri, Jun 02, 2006 - 7:16:05 pm | | ray> | Oh, Glenn, you may as well get rid of anything that doesn't begin | with 'B7' thanks. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 361) Fri, Jun 02, 2006 - 9:45:56 pm | | Little_Birdie> | ftp://rayandrews0@ftp.tripod.com | http://rayandrews0.tripod.com | ^^^^<--http ^^^^<--remove '@ftp' | | ============================================================================ Š| | 362) Sat, Jun 03, 2006 - 5:21:36 am | | Eric> | Ray, I grabbed the stuff from tripod, I see you still refuse | to write an easy installation BAT for your stuff based on a | conversion of a default installation of Glenn's distro. | You write up all the TXT files describing changes and | suggested methods for the conversion but you refuse to | provide even a sample batch file that will perform the | conversion to a Ray Andrews Core setup. Why are you so | stubborn? Why do you refuse to take the time to create | such a file and keep it current with yor changes? I'm | sure it would get your cores tested faster. My old | conversion program/batch file doesn't necessarily | work with your new changes.` | | ============================================================================ | | 363) Sat, Jun 03, 2006 - 8:27:37 am | | ray> | Glenn, | | Thanks, I'll have that tatooed on my forarm ;-) | | Eric, | | Previously I did write such a bat, but it was inferior to yours, | and since both you and Vladimir are familiar with my core and both | of you know how to run it, and since this is not designed for anyone | new, there seemed to be no reason to add anything. It should work | exactly as before except for the couple of changed filenames which | I document right at the top of B7README.TXT. If there were any | other relevant changes to how to run it, I would have mentioned it, | but there aren't. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 364) Sat, Jun 03, 2006 - 11:10:59 am | | ray> | BTW, Glenn, | | Have you ever noticed that on any of these boards, if you are scrolled | such that the 'Show XX messages' and 'Send / Refresh' buttons are | only half visible, the former button is redrawn such that the | lower '3D' shaddow area is recreated whereas the latter button is just | cut off? It's not exactly a big problem but I'm currious why the | two buttons are not redrawn the same way. Probably it's because one | button activates a pulldown and the other doesn't. | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 365) Sat, Jun 03, 2006 - 12:47:56 pm | | Eric> | Ray, All those things are obvious to you 'cause you changed | them and are working with them all the time. I'm not, and I don't | think any one else is, as familiar with these changes as you are. | That means we have to study things and spend time figuring out | stuff that is obvious to you. It's often a lot easier to relate | to changes made in a BAT file than to transpose changes to a | batch file from a documentation file. Particularly when one | isn't the one who made those changes. It can lead to a lot | of false bug reports because of errors and misunderstandings | on the part of the tester. | | ============================================================================ | | 366) Sat, Jun 03, 2006 - 1:02:56 pm | | ray> | Well I dunno Eric, fire it up and see if there's anything that | doesn't work. As far as I know, what's involved in core swapping, | save those two file renames, is exactly the same. I hear you as far | as the endless problem of what's 'obvious' -- I can suffer from that | as badly as anyone and pointing those things out is one of the prime | duties of a tester. As far as functional changes, they're all in | the two .txt files, the big changes are just the inclusion of the 1.90 | stuff from Glenn and Joe. I suppose the reason I haven't continued | with my own swapping bat file is that you, me, Vladimir and Bastiaan | have all figured out our own ways of doing it that suit our own needs | and that are all quite different, I'd consider it a bit presumptuous | to tell anyone how it should be done esp. after they already have | a method that works. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 367) Sat, Jun 03, 2006 - 1:37:34 pm | | Eric> | Ray, What's going on with this %arachnetemp% ? Have you | changed it to a different location than the JG distro ? | It seems that way...The JG distro had no %arachnetemp% | set in the ENV. | | ============================================================================ | | 368) Sat, Jun 03, 2006 - 1:50:36 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Concerning the "conversion.bat"...I don't consider it | presumptious for you to provide an installation file that Š| converts a default install of Glenn's distro to yours. | I consider it a common courtesy. If an individual tester | has deviated from the default installation then that tester | knows that and can adjust things for his setup. BUT, at least | an installation/conversion BAT gives the tester who looks at | it, some idea where to start...kind of like an outline and | it is often easier to institute than to start from an | interpretation of a text file. | | ============================================================================ | | 369) Sat, Jun 03, 2006 - 2:23:12 pm | | Little_Birdie> | re:"Probably it's because one button activates | a pulldown and the other doesn't." | | Yep, that's why. | | | ============================================================================ | | 370) Sat, Jun 03, 2006 - 2:32:41 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Well, if there were any new guys involved I'd do as you say and | provide at least a starting point converter but there ain't so I | didn't. As to %arachnetemp% there are no changes there, as has been | the case with my cores going back to base 5, you must set | %arachnetemp% and the default in arachne.bat is: | | set %arachnetemp%=%temp% | | Glenn, | | Still it seems inconsistent that the buttons use different rules | for redraw, I smell a simplification. | | | ============================================================================ | | 371) Sat, Jun 03, 2006 - 3:25:43 pm | | Eric> | Ray, It doesn't matter if there are new guys....I didn't | know anything about a change in "arachnetemp". My tmp files | goto D:\tmp\arachne.tmp and have as long as I can remember. | It looks like yours goto d:\tmp\ and don't use arachne.tmp. | | Anyway, here we go again, I just locked up using your core. I got | a "runtime overlay error" then option to exit or restart. I exited | and cleared screen (cls) and was left in some odd video mode that | repeated every command about 4 times. I started Pictview and got a Š| disconbobilated screen and the computer locked up. I need reset button | to reboot. I sure would be nice if I had an install program and did have to | | ============================================================================ | | 372) Sat, Jun 03, 2006 - 5:54:04 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Again, "run time overlay" error when I clicked on | "get mail" icon. I entered "mode 80" and got automatic | reboot. | | | ============================================================================ | | 373) Sun, Jun 04, 2006 - 7:40:08 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Funny about arachnetemp, that change has been part of cores you've | been using since base 5 but it hasn't changed since then. As then, | you must set it, but set it to any directory you want in arachne.bat, | probably ramdisk, but of course you run from ramdisk all the time so | it hardly matters. | | As to the error msg, well nuts, looks like the stack again. I can't | figure this out since I run with well over 0x1000 of free stack | even at the tightest point, yet you need more, it don't make | sense. I'll email you a boosted stack and see how that goes. | | | ============================================================================ | | 374) Sun, Jun 04, 2006 - 7:49:06 pm | | ray> | Ok, just sent it, if that fixes, I'll reupload to tripod. | | | ============================================================================ | | 375) Mon, Jun 05, 2006 - 2:02:20 am | | Eric> | Ray, That didn't fix it. Runtime overlay error when I clicked | on "Get new mail". You know that it takes me 7-8 min. to setup | Glenn's distribution but it takes me 1/2 hr. to convert to your | core since you don't provide a BAT for conversion. This doesn't | help you to get your core tested. Also, if you were maintaining | a conversion BAT then a lot of these problems would be avoided | because: | 1. The setup for your core would be more uniform. | 2. You would be more sure that I had the right setup so that | . bug chasing would be easier. Š| 3. You would be more familiar with the conversion problems. | | You are just defeating your own purpose to get your core tested. | | | ============================================================================ | | 376) Mon, Jun 05, 2006 - 9:00:41 am | | vbm> | spasibo, Ray, for new sources... | | still don't see a bug...... | | and troubles with using... | | if it wi be - will send... | | ============================================================================ | | 377) Mon, Jun 05, 2006 - 2:24:54 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Hmmm, you don't suppose the error comes from insight perhaps? It seems | this error happens when that program is called, you could try | another ver of insight and see if that's it. Is the screensaver | OK? -- that's where the stack overflow in core happend last time. | Another idea: check the 'roura.log' file, it shows you what's | going on with rouras, although my core can execute insight | using system() so you might not see anything. If it isn't insight | then I'll send a tracing build and we can see where it's | hanging. | | | As to setting up, I must confess there is something going on with | this issue that I am just not comprehending. You already have a | core swapper right? I can see how some new guy would need one from | me but you *don't* need one from me because you already have one | so how can it take you 1/2 hour to convert? It seems to me it should | take you two minutes to change the names of two files inside the | swapper bat and then two seconds to run it when you want to fire up | my core. What's wrong with this picture? | | As to taking 7 minutes to fire up the distro, heck, why don't you | just set up, then zip the whole instalation as it is, then | to run it next time you just unzip the previously set up instalation? | A possible .bat: | | md d:\arach | cd d:\arach | copy c:\somewher\ar-setup.zip | unzip -r ar-setup.zip | arachne Š| | Seems to me going through the whole thing every time is one heck | of a waste of time. | | | ============================================================================ | | 378) Mon, Jun 05, 2006 - 4:57:34 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | Please refresh my memory. | | What are the specs of the machine on which these crashes are happening ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 379) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 7:09:02 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, The machine is a Gateway2000 4SX-33 originally but | it has a Pentium upgrade CPU. When Arachne analyses it, Arachne | usually sees it as a 486...but...sometimes it sees it as 586. | When setting up I always use pick the 486 setting. It has | about 24MB RAM. I set Arachne up on a RAMdrive. | | ============================================================================ | | 380) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 11:02:49 am | | Eric> | Ray, I only have a 170MB drive of which 8192 bytes are free. | | ============================================================================ | | 381) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 12:35:09 pm | | Eric> | Ray, RE: Checking log files...I can't check log files when the | machine locks up then they are gone. If the machine auto-reboots... | then the logs are gone. | | I have a hard time getting you to understand! I think it is | your responsibility to maintain an installation program of some | sort for your cores if you wish to have others use them. If | you wish to only use your cores your self then continue on | just the way you are now. A few of us when we desire some | stimulation for our grey matter will play around with | your cores to keep the neurons and axions working. I don't | need directions on how save a setup and build my own | installation program. I can do that. I just don't think | it should be the user/testers responsibility to devise | and debug and maintain his own installation program. Š| glennmcc has provided and maintained his own installation | program for his cores and when used his program delivers | a working setup with his cores. You have no such program. | You expect others to read all your notes and decide | what is relevant and then adapt glennmcc's installation | to your core requirements. So, others then end up | debugging their own self written conversion programs | and your core at the same time. And since you have | decided to implement many things differently than | glennmcc there are many chances to introduce bugs. | Consequently, a core swap is no longer a simple | core swap...it is a complete setup rebuild. | Some fools seem to think that because they replaced | the head gasket on their car engine that they have | rebuilt the engine. Well, replacing the head gasket | is like core swapping...easy stuff! But tearing | the whole engine apart and checking all the individual | parts and replacing badly worn parts and properly | reassembling all the parts back to a properly | functioning engine is really rebuilding an engine. | Using your core has become comparible to rebuilding | an engine when you have to search all over for | the specs for every little thing because you don't | have the proper factory manual. | | | ============================================================================ | | 382) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 1:29:47 pm | | Eric> | Ray, You wrote: | | >Seems to me going through the whole thing every time is one heck | >of a waste of time. | | The little bit of time spent to do a setup is nothing compared | to the time spent figuring out and writing and maintaining | a conversion program for a core that someone else has made | the changes in. When I have written or changed a program | myself I have an innate knowledge which helps to point to | what's wrong when a bug pops up. When someone else has made | the changes or written the progran then I lack that innate | knowledge so the debugging is a more difficult task. | When I am writing/updating a program for a core that | someone else has changed as well as changing supporting | files then I am operating under a handicap that the | author doesn't have. For the author, the updating/maintenance | should be much easier since he has been working | with all the changes and they are imbedded in his | gray matter. | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 383) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 1:31:36 pm | | Eric> | Ray, BTW, why did you change the VGA.HTM file? | | ============================================================================ | | 384) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 1:47:24 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Well I don't know what more to say. If you didn't already have | what's needed I'd understand your point of view completely. If I | ever do create a full distro, it will be as you say, with | complete facilities, but you already have what you need and there | is nothing new vis. swapping. The error you get is something | very deep in the bowels of the .exe, there's probably no way that's | caused by anything that I've changed deliberately. Tell me, if you | still have the previous core from me, does it still run? If so | then there could be a deep bug in my code, we'd have to backtrack | with older cores till we find the culprit. | | VGA.HTM is different in that any references to CGA and EGA are gone | since my core has that stuff cut out, that's all. | | Oh, as for config.log, you said that my core crashes when you | perform a mail opperation, but if you just start it up, then quit | imidiately, you will get a config.log and can save it. BTW, I | presume you don't mean you have litteraly 8192 bytes free on your | HD? 8192K perhaps? I'd be amased if any core works with 8192 bytes | free HD space since many temp files are bigger than that. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 385) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 3:36:33 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Yes, I mean 8192 bytes, literally... I don't send any | temp files to my HD. And it works just fine...except with your | new core. | BTW, You are one of the most stubborn guys I've known. You seem to | relish making up excuses for not providing an installation program | for your core. You would rather spend your time with debugging | that could be avoided. | | ============================================================================ | | 386) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 4:22:34 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I'm writing this with your core that I setup Bastiaan with. | It's working fine. Mail works fine. Š| | ============================================================================ | | 387) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 4:27:37 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I'd give you the version but this is one of those cores | that you refused to include the version number inside. | However, it appears that the "Runtime overlay error" does | come from the core itself. | | | ============================================================================ | | 388) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 4:30:58 pm | | glennmcc> | Is that 'mail works fine' setup using the newest insight.exe ? | | ============================================================================ | | 389) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 4:31:27 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Sheesh, well, I suppose since you run in a ramdisk then | perhaps nothing is written to HD and that's not the problem, but | it is the tightest disk I've ever heard of. And I'm not stubborn, | I'm just giving my point of view. But you never quite respond | directly to my points which makes me repeat them: you have a | core swapping system that works and that you have previously been | quite happy with so why on earth are you so dissatisfied now? | Besides, depending one one's system and one's tastes there could | be half a dozen ways to create a swapper. Your floppy > ramdisk | system is best for such a tight disk, but my system is designed | for swapping from harddisk and can swap one of half a dozen | cores as needed. Vladimir does it different again. Bastiaan just | uses a separate instalation with no swapping at all. How can | I presume to write something that works for everyone when we all | do it so differently? | | | ============================================================================ | | 390) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 4:33:10 pm | | Eric> | Ray, BTW, out of 41,569 allocation units on my HD, I have | only 2 available. | | | ============================================================================ | | 391) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 4:47:11 pm Š| | Eric> | Ray, You don't have to provide a complicated swapping | program for multiple cores....Just a program, relatively | simple, that installs all your stuff into a glennmcc | installation....maybe even including a copy of A190gpll.exe | in the program/file/disk. You don't have to work with | everyone's custom installation. Just provide one of your own | that anyone can install and provide an up to date copy | when ever you want a core tested. Anyone with a custom | setup that doesn't want to use your program from scratch | can then use it as a guide. | | ============================================================================ | | 392) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 4:53:07 pm | | Eric> | Ray, You know, most people trying your core aren't going | to want to screw up their working, custom, setup with your | core untill they know/think it works. | | ============================================================================ | | 393) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 4:56:32 pm | | Eric> | Ray, How stubborn are you?....You are so stubborn that | you refuse to admit that your stubborn!! | | | ============================================================================ | | 394) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 6:32:04 pm | | Eric> | Ray, That difference in arachnetemp location screws up | the inbox if one has files downloaded with glennmcc's | setup already in the inbox. Why don't you use the same | TEMP file location as glennmcc? | | ============================================================================ | | 395) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 6:33:59 pm | | Eric> | Ray, The core I'm using is 1.85B6-b2s | | ============================================================================ | | 396) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 6:41:05 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I just remembered, you can't use CTRL-Q for whatever it | was you used it for because CTRL-Q is used already for SEARCH Š| function...you can't take that away! | | | ============================================================================ | | 397) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 7:11:34 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I'm not stuborn I'm autistic, there is a difference! Anyway, | for the time .... hmmmm, maybe this is the key ... for the time | being, I don't want any new testers, just you, VBM, Bastiaan and | (lately) Cal will give me all the feedback I can digest. When I'm | ready for more I will indeed do something like you demand -- as you | say, it would be rude not to -- for now it's just a small group so | jury rigged methods are fine. | | As to arachnetemp, one can set it as one wants. With Glenn's core, | if it doesn't exist the current directory is used, I suppose I could | make that the default, tho I can't off hand think why there should be | any trouble vis Glenn's with the inbox ... mind I can't say for sure | that there wouldn't be, just that I can't say *why* there would be. | | Anyway, first things first: build 2s works OK? Heck that's a long time | ago, I'm in the 7's now :-( ... and it works in the same install | that balked with the last core? ... that rules out some other | trouble, like with insight or whatever. Now, using the last core, | can you get me a config.log? Just start and quit imidiately and you | should still have one. You might compare that with the .log you | get running build 2s -- they will be different due to new keywords, | but otherwise they should be the same, if not, the problem could be | right there. | | | ============================================================================ | | 398) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 7:15:26 pm | | ray> | Failing that, we might have to back up till we find the first | build that fails, it's tedious but sure to work like it did last time. | Oh, and this time there's no 'oddometer' problem ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 399) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 9:05:39 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Glenn's core uses x:\tmp\arachne.tmp\ for the temp directory | in all my setups for quite some time now. The way it confused the inbox | was that the inbox was looking for some files in d:\tmp\ and some | files in d:\tmp\arachne.tmp\ . As soon as I changed arachnetemp=d:\ | tmp\arachne.tmp and copied all the files in d:\tmp to d:\tmp\arachne.tmp\ Š| then the inbox was OK. | | | ============================================================================ | | 400) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 9:20:47 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Are you using this latest core for mail with no problems?] | if so, then what could be different in my setup that would make it | behave poorly.? Glenn's core works fine for me. What would cause a | runtime error....what type/types of bug returns that error code.? | Would using the wrong arachnetemp setting call up that error message.? | | ============================================================================ | | 401) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 9:55:30 pm | | ray> | "runtime overlay error" is a very deep problem, it says that the | overlay mangager inside the .exe has been corrupted. As you may know, | some of Arachne's code is permanently in memory when the .exe loads, | but some of it is 'overlayed', ie it's not in memory all the time, | but is rather retrieved from the .exe and loaded into memory when | needed, that process is controled by something else inside the .exe | called the 'overlay manager'. When that code can't do it's thing, | that message happens. Normaly, this corruption of the overlay | mangager happens in case of a stack overflow, but that's been ruled | out in this case. What interests me is that you only seem to get | the problem when insight is involved which is why I suspected that | it might be the problem (it can generate that error too). | It all works fine here, no trouble of any kind. | | ============================================================================ | | 402) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 9:57:40 pm | | ray> | You're right, it's unlikely that there's anything in your setup that's | at fault, but I'd like to see your .log just to be sure -- rule that | out for good. Can you Alt+E ? Is anything besides mail causing | trouble? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 403) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 10:06:48 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Arachne was working OK until I clicked on "Get mail" ikon. | That caused an immediate runtime error. | | ============================================================================ Š| | 404) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 10:10:54 pm | | Eric> | Ray, How could Insight cause the error if it is working fine | for you? I still think it is connected to the fact that you | are using your own custom setup. | | ============================================================================ | | 405) Tue, Jun 06, 2006 - 10:13:01 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I don't have a config.log and I probably can't get one tonight. | | | ============================================================================ | | 406) Wed, Jun 07, 2006 - 7:18:31 am | | ray> | Eric, right, it probably isn't insight but it can't be ruled out | yet either. I'll wait for a .log, run that as my .cfg here, and if | that doesn't show anything I'll send a tracing core and we'll see | where it craps out. | | | ============================================================================ | | 407) Wed, Jun 07, 2006 - 8:33:40 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I think I found it, new core in the mail. | Vladimir, heads up: | | | HTTP.C: | | SOCK_PUTS("QUIT"); // Double use of litteral string is tighter code | LogIt("QUIT"); // than use of sprintf() | SWI | SOCK_GETS(buffer) | LogIt(buffer); | Outs(cCLOSECON); | sock_close(gSocket); | gClosing[gSockNum] = 1; | gSockKeepAlive[gSockNum][0] = 0; | | //7n: BUG! Don't close file if it isn't open!! Thanks Eric. | if(gLogFile) //<<<<<<<<<< MUST ADD THIS TEST, | close(gLogFile); | | sock_err: // Just to satisfy goto in macros. Š| if(gStatus == -1) | Outsf(cERR_TCP, sockerr(gSocket)); | } | | | ============================================================================ | | 408) Wed, Jun 07, 2006 - 8:50:45 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Why is the core reading PPP.LOG file everytime when | returning from DOS shell. When PPP.LOG is not there I keep | getting that darn Beep! | | | | ============================================================================ | | 409) Wed, Jun 07, 2006 - 9:01:06 pm | | Eric> | Ray, On Jeopardy TV Show tonight, the Canadian was winning again | up to the final question, which was: What is the only Canadian | provence which has a preposition as it's mail abreviation? | The other 2 contestants got it and he missed it. He wrote down | Alberta.....Of course it was Ontario! | | ============================================================================ | | 410) Wed, Jun 07, 2006 - 10:11:23 pm | | ray> | Typical Canadian, we love to talk about how proud we are etc. etc. | but the fact is, most of us don't know diddly about our own | country. | | Did you get that core I sent? Any restults? | | The ppp.log thing: if you are online and you restart, it will | complain if it can't find ppp.log 'cause that file should be there | any time you are online, as I understand it. I get that when I | start Arachne in one directory then change to another build in | another directory -- I am connected, but the message box says | ONLINE instead of showing the time because ppp.log doesn't exist | in the new dir, and when I shell, I get the above messaged and beep. | You can fix it buy just creating the file: | | echo howdy! > ppp.log | | it doesn't matter what's in it, just that it exists. | ... or is this a dumb system? The check for the file could | easily be removed. | | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 411) Wed, Jun 07, 2006 - 10:14:19 pm | | ray> | Remember that horrible bug that Glenn eventualy figured out that | boiled down to that subdir in the cache not being there? After that | I created a function SafeOpen() which basicaly does what you see | with ppp.log whenever it tries to open a file and can't do it, it's | a safety thing but there are places where it shouldn't be used. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 412) Wed, Jun 07, 2006 - 10:36:49 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Why can't I change resolution with the + or -. | All I get is a beep? | | ============================================================================ | | 413) Wed, Jun 07, 2006 - 10:46:58 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I'll get that new core later...I can't use this computer | 'cause it will abort and make me do a reboot & setup. | | You never said what your going to do about CTRL-Q that I mentioned | in an earlier posting before #402. | | ============================================================================ | | 414) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 1:03:29 am | | Eric> | Ray, That's post #396 about CTRL-Q. | | | ============================================================================ | | 415) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 5:39:48 am | | vbm> | re 407: | | well, Ray, I'll testing it, but maybe it don't actual for me - because I'm | for getting a mail using asf file... | | ============================================================================ | | 416) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 12:40:18 pm | | Eric> Š| Ray, The red/green cursor arrow has turned to white and it stays | white. The cusor no longer changes color. | | ============================================================================ | | 417) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 12:42:28 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I don't remember changing CTRL+Q, what's different? | As to the +/-, the core I just sent has your personal #define | active and IIRC that had some effect on res changes. If the last | core has the problem it's a problem. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 418) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 2:48:23 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I added "POP3log Yes" to my arachne.cfg and the "get mail" | worked. | | | ============================================================================ | | 419) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 2:57:03 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Re: CTRL-Q ... I don't care if you remember it or not... | you did change the CTRL-Q...The hotkey was Q but you changed it | to CTRL-Q to avoid accidental pressing of Q. Did you change it | back? | | ============================================================================ | | 420) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 3:01:42 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I just tried CTRL-Q and it worked...I got search box... | when I tried it before (when I wrote #396), it didn't work. | Maybe it was with the old core? | | | ============================================================================ | | 421) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 3:10:09 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Something is also funny with "O". Glenn's core gives | Options page with "O"....your's gives Outbox with "O". | I pressed "O" and got Outbox...then pressed ALT-O and got Options | page...then I pressed CTRL-Back Arrow and got a page that said: Š| "Cannot allocate memory for Outbox" | | ============================================================================ | | 422) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 3:11:48 pm | | Eric> | Ray. Correction: "Cannot allocate memory for reading index" | | ============================================================================ | | 423) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 3:15:07 pm | | Eric> | Ray, And now all I get is that error page....I can't get | the outbox with "O" or from Outbox ikon on the mail page. | | | ============================================================================ | | 424) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 3:21:34 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Nothing that requires the mail index will work now. | There is an error message in upperleft corner that starts: | "Too ma....." the rest is covered by the Arachne bar. | | ============================================================================ | | 425) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 3:38:02 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | re: 418, yeah, then that bug is nailed, it should be ok with the | pending core. Interesting that the bug manifests differently here | than there, such things don't make debugging easier, but I think | we've got it anyway. | | re: 419-20, CTRL+Q is identical to F7 now and as I said, I don't | remember changing it. If I did, I guess I changed it back. Don't | sweat these key things, I consider them all to be trivial and | experimental pending my alternate keyboard option to come. Ditto | the 'O' -- in my core that's 'Outbox' right now 'cause that's | convenient for me, and Alt+O is 'Options' it can be made whatever | suits you. | | This new error, let me look into it. BRB. | | | ============================================================================ | | 426) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 3:39:55 pm | | Eric> Š| Ray, When I click on empty trash ikon I get the error message | in upper left corner "Too many parameters- .\insight.exe" and | it never goes away. | | | ============================================================================ | | 427) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 3:46:21 pm | | ray> | That error message is generated by insight which leads me to | think that my core is executing insight without shelling but | there still isn't enough memory. How much Free DOS mem do you | have? As to the trash icon msg. Please check your 'roura.log' | you should see the command that was attempted, and send it or | post it here, it should reveal the problem. | | | ============================================================================ | | 428) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 3:47:50 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Also ALT-H will not hang up anything. The "online" stays | in the lr corner and connectionn still works. And I can hang up | if I ALT-E and then use my HU.bat. | | ============================================================================ | | 429) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 3:51:54 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Here's my roura.log after using the trash icon, yours should be | functionaly the same: | | if exist U:\MAIL\trash\*.mes del U:\MAIL\trash\*.mes | .\insight.exe -i U:\MAIL\trash\*.mes -cache=X:\AR\>X:\AR\49792753.HTM | arachne -r | | | | ============================================================================ | | 430) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 3:52:05 pm | | Eric> | Ray, How do I check the roura.log....all I see is the the | shell command from the ALT-E I have to use to check it. | | ============================================================================ | | 431) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 3:59:16 pm | Š| Eric> | Ray, Now all I get is that damn beep and the no ppp.log | message when I click on "empty trash" then the empty trash | DGI page opens....no error message... | | | ============================================================================ | | 432) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 4:00:15 pm | | ray> | roura.log should be created in your main arachne directory along with | all the other .logs. Isn't it there? | | As to hanging up, check this section in arachne.bat: | | | | :termin | if errorlevel 66 set $hang$=exit | :: //5y: Internal hangup code gone, do it all here now. | connect\termin.com 0x60 | if exist ppp.log copy ppp.log ppp.bak | if exist ppp.log del ppp.log | if (%1) == (-u) goto end | if %$hang$! == exit! goto end | core.exe -r | goto aftertermin | | ... | | and change the | | "connect\termin.com 0x60" | | line to something like: | | "@call hu.bat" | | and it should be ok. Nuts, I forgot to mention anything about that | in the readme -- or have I forgotten that I did mention it? ;-) | Better go and check ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 433) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 4:02:59 pm | | ray> | Why aren't you getting ppp.log being created automaticaly like it | should? Ah, there's only one answer, your connect.bat (or whatever | you call it) probably does not have something like: | | "lsppp.exe > ppp.log" in it right? | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 434) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 4:04:47 pm | | ray> | In any case you can avoid the beep by just creating ppp.log like | I said yesterday. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 435) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 4:07:34 pm | | Eric> | Ray, There has to be something in the TRASH to get the error | message when you click on "empty trash". | | ============================================================================ | | 436) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 4:10:43 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I have all the hangup stuff in the right places but | ALT-H doesn't work....I've checked it numerous times. | | ============================================================================ | | 437) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 4:11:23 pm | | ray> | Well, it works fine here in either case ... hmmm, I wonder if this | problem is related to the problem you were having with insight | yesterday? The newer core with confirm or refute that. Try to find | your roura.log and it should enlighten us. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 438) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 4:14:44 pm | | ray> | So you modified your arachne.bat as I said? Hmmm, if so then | the next thing is to temporarily modify your hu.bat to show that | it is indeed being found, try: | | ... | echo NOW RUNNING HU.BAT .. | pause | ... | | and this will confirm that the file is being run. If not then | we must figure out why not. If it is being run and still not Š| working that is a bigger problem. | | | ============================================================================ | | 439) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 4:15:11 pm | | Eric> | Ray, The roura.log is there....your not reading again....but it | contains only the command generated from ALT-E that I had to use | so I can read the roura.log. | | ============================================================================ | | 440) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 4:19:38 pm | | ray> | Oh, sorry I missunderstood that you had used ALT+E to shell out to | go look for it. So how much free mem do you have showing? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 441) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 4:25:07 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Free memory = 225,632 | | ============================================================================ | | 442) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 4:29:30 pm | | ray> | I've got 269K ... and I'm running under 4DOS, let me switch to | command.com and choke my system down and see what happens. But gotta | do it latter, right now I've got an appointment. | | Good to have you on the case Eric, you're the best damn Guinea mouse. | We'll shake this all out. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 443) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 4:29:36 pm | | Eric> | Ray, You made it very hard to check the hang up because | ALT-H only works with your core if the online message is in | the lr corner. I am not going to keep wasting money connecting | just to see if ALT-H works. All I get with "offline" in the lr corner | is a beep when I press ALT-H. | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 444) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 4:56:44 pm | | Eric> | Ray, The "Too many parameters- .\insight.exe" doesn't look like | it comes from the roura.bat. The roura.log doesn't change but | an new error message is generated with every click on "empty trash". | | Also if I press "T" I get "MAIN.C, line 308:" and a beep. | | ============================================================================ | | 445) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 6:41:15 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Right, if you are OFFLINE, it beeps when you press ALT+H because | it detects that you don't need to hangup because you aren't | connected. Seems to me that's a feature not a bug ;-) | | As to the MAIN.C line 308, thanks. Sometimes, when I see a bit of | code who's function is a mystery to me, I tag it as you see, thus, | when, eventualy that code is accessed, the tag shows up and voila, | I know what the code does. Now let me just go and see ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 446) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 6:46:20 pm | | ray> | Ah, a small bug there. When you are offline, if you use 'T' to | telnet, it beeps just to let you know that you are offline, but it should | just beep, not show the file and line number. It seems to me | that any action requested that only has meaning when connected should | beep and abort when you are infact offline, no? Why hangup when | you aren't connected anyway? why shell out to telnet when there | is no connection? It's a policy thing but of course it can be | changed. Or, instead of a beep, there could be a status line message | saying "Sorry, you aren't connected just now" or something. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 447) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 6:47:22 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I think you miss the point. I always could ALT-H and make | sure that the hangup file was called....now it doesn't work....it's | a PITA. It's stops me from checking hangup files called by ALT-H. | ALT-H never caused any problems with anything so WHY did you Š| change it...What has been gained ??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 448) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 6:54:24 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Now you're starting to truly make things W$doze-ee. | "No you can't send a hang-up to your modem unless I want you | to....even if it is sometimes useful and causes no harm." | | | ============================================================================ | | 449) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 7:04:12 pm | | ray> | Give me a reson why one would want to hangup when one is not connected? | Mind, if there is a reason to do it, I'll happly remove the | guard, this isn't a big issue with me. Let's see what Vladimir has | to say about that, am I over protecting? Maybe! | | BTW, I just tried to 'empty trash' while offline and got some | trouble, I've been doing it online till now. The message ends up with | "file not found "...\ -I" so somehow the | '-i' argument to insight is looking like a file name!" | Will dig into it after dinner. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 450) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 7:04:13 pm | | Eric> | Ray, One reason why Arachne should not prevent commands from going | to the modem just because Arachne thinks she is off line is that | Arachne still is VERY OFTEN WRONG about her true online status. | And the fact that I'm having problems with your core hanging up | is proof that she is still confused. Therefore, access to the | modem should be made easier if anything...not made harder. | If you want things tested then stop taking away the testing tools. | | ============================================================================ | | 451) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 7:10:58 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I don't care what VBM has to say about it....If my | testing tools are removed then I will not test. If there is only | benefit from a function and it causes no harm then there is no | reason to block that function. | Š| ============================================================================ | | 452) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 7:35:52 pm | | Eric> | Ray, The reason ALT-H function should not be blocked is | as plain as the nose on your face...because right now it is | stopping me from properly checking your core...That is obvious, | isn't it? If it was helping things then I wouldn't be complaining | about it. There are several things that your testers have suggested | are a nuisance to testing or that they feel make Arachne less | attractive with your core and you have failed to change them... | even though some of them have been repeated more than once. | You pass them off by saying that they are negotible but they | never get negotiated or changed. | | | ============================================================================ | | 453) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 7:44:50 pm | | Eric> | Ray, BTW, that CTRL-Q thing was mentioned somewhere in your | notes and that was what originally reminded me of it. So, maybe | it should be removed if your core no longer works that way. | | ============================================================================ | | 454) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 8:22:22 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | No, it isn't obvious or anywhere close to being obvious that | blocking hangup when one isn't connected anyway is a bad idea. OTOH | it is quite obvious that if it interferes with your testing then | it should go at least in your private build. Now what are these | several things? Maybe I disagree that whatever they are, they | should be made stock in my core. OTOH, there is no reason why anyone, | esp. yourself as a tester, should not have your personal prefs | attended to. Make me a list and it shall be done. | | As to emptytrash, as you know this is a mime.cfg controled command and | because it doens't have a '[nnn]' within it, it should always | be executed via $roura$.bat and should show up in roura.log but | I've found a problem: See the line in arachne.bat that says: | BRB ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 455) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 8:27:12 pm | | ray> Š| | :execute | :: For diagnostics: This saves to main directory, not to ARACHNETEMP as befo | if exist roura.log echo. >> roura.log | if not exist roura.log echo. > roura.log | copy roura.log + %ARACHNETEMP%$roura$.bat > NUL | if exist %ARACHNETEMP%$roura$.bat %ARACHNETEMP%$roura$.bat | goto roura | | under 4DOS the line: | copy roura.log + %ARACHNETEMP%$roura$.bat > NUL | | ... suceeds in appending the .bat to the .log, but under | MSDOS the .log is rewritten every time, which could be why you | only get one command showing up there at a time instead of a | cumulative display. How can we fix this? you probably know MSDOS | better than me (not to mention other DOS's) so what command structure | there will work? MSDOS help assures me that the above form should | work but it don't. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 456) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 8:29:53 pm | | glennmcc> | If I understand correctly.... Alt+H gets 'blocked' if ppp.log is not present | | Ray, | | When we use 'Connection Ready' and have dialed via some outside | connection method.... ppp.log will not be present even though we are | in-fact connected. | | In other words.... | The absence of ppp.log does not mean that we are offline. | | I am online right now... but I do not have a ppp.log | | Alt+H calls my hangup batch file which unloads my NIC packet driver. | | ============================================================================ | | 457) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 8:41:10 pm | | glennmcc> | | [profile] | Profile ara-net.ACF | Connection READY | Hangup @c:\lne100tx\lne100tx.com -u | | [dialer] | DialPage file:pppenhan.htm Š| Dialer @call c:\1batch\loadlne.bat | | | ============================================================================ | | 458) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 8:45:23 pm | | glennmcc> | That's the alternate method of unloading my NIC packet driver. | (do it directly instead of via a batch file) | | --- contents of loadlne.bat --- | lh c:\lne100tx\lne100tx.com -1 -a -f -s 0x60 | _______________________________ | | --- contents of unloadln.bat --- | c:\lne100tx\lne100tx.com -u | ________________________________ | | | ============================================================================ | | 459) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 8:50:04 pm | | glennmcc> | Via batch file method....... | | Hangup @call c:\1batch\unloadln.bat | | | ============================================================================ | | 460) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 8:53:40 pm | | glennmcc> | --- contents of undeleted L:\temp\arachne.tmp\$roura$.bat --- | @call c:\1batch\unloadln.bat | if exist PPP.LOG del PPP.LOG | @arachne -c | _____________________________________________________________ | | ============================================================================ | | 461) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 8:58:19 pm | | glennmcc> | Oh... the reason I don't have a ppp.log is because I load my NIC packet | driver at boot-up in autoexec.bat even before creating my RamDrive and | unzipping Arachne to there. | | --- clipped from autoexec.bat --- | c:\opendos\nwcache.exe 7670 1024 /lend=on /delay=on /mux /e | | call c:\1batch\loadlne.bat | Š| C:\1BATCH\ARR.BAT 191 file://my_ip.asf /y /y | :OpenDOSEND | _________________________________ | | | | ============================================================================ | | 462) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 8:59:24 pm | | glennmcc> | ARR.BAT loads a 100meg RamDrive and unzips Arachne to the RamDrive | | ============================================================================ | | 463) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 9:01:27 pm | | glennmcc> | --- arr.bat --- | @echo off | C: | CD\ | CALL \EMSDSK\XMSDSK 100000 l: /c1 %4 | copy c:\command.com l:\ | IF NOT EXIST l:\command.com goto delmail | set comspec=l:\command.com | md l:\temp | set temp=l:\temp | IF NOT EXIST l:\ARACHNE\ARACHNE.BAT PKUNZIP -d e:\ARACHNE\!AR%1.ZIP l:\ | PKUNZIP -d -o e:\ARACHNE\MAIL\!AR!MDIR.ZIP c:\ | if "%1"=="mail" PKUNZIP -d -o E:\ARACHNE\MAIL\!AR!MAIL.ZIP c:\ | l: | CD \ARACHNE | IF EXIST PPP.LOG CALL ARACHNE.BAT -r %2 | IF NOT EXIST PPP.LOG CALL ARACHNE.BAT %2 | C: | :delmail | if not "%3"=="/y" goto confirm | del l:\arachne\!*.* | goto xc | :confirm | ? del l:\arachne\!*.* | :xc | C: | set comspec=c:\command.com | set temp=c:\temp | if %cdrom%=="loaded" c:\opendos\nwcache.exe 7670 1024 /lend=on /delay=on /mu | goto end | :err | echo To run !ar150b2.zip --- arrm 150b2(enter) | pause | dir e:\arachne\!ar*.zip /p | pause | :end | if not "%3"=="/n" call c:\1batch\scanmail.bat Š| if "%5"=="/killppp" call c:\1batch\killppp.bat | if not "%3"=="/n" goto scandone | men.bat | :scandone | _______________ | | ============================================================================ | | 464) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 9:07:25 pm | | glennmcc> | That batch allows me to run any one of these versions 100% on RamDrive | (the HDD never gets touched ecept for saving email) | | | Volume in drive E is MCCORKLE_03 | Directory of E:\ARACHNE | | !AR!NETW ZIP 1299907 10-31-01 2:15a | !AR110 ZIP 813010 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1203 ZIP 1168006 2-24-00 12:56p | !AR1205 ZIP 1080691 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1206 ZIP 1120644 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1207 ZIP 1072168 11-14-04 3:21p | !AR1209 ZIP 1117371 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR120P ZIP 1235297 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR120X ZIP 1121105 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1401 ZIP 1015966 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1402 ZIP 1110214 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1411 ZIP 918763 8-28-98 8:27p | !AR142 ZIP 983621 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1431 ZIP 969176 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1432 ZIP 984567 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1441 ZIP 987057 1-22-99 1:24a | !AR1451 ZIP 1012569 1-24-99 7:04p | !AR1461 ZIP 990956 1-30-99 11:10p | !AR1471 ZIP 1020869 2-06-99 2:20a | !AR1481 ZIP 1010871 2-12-99 9:44p | !AR1482 ZIP 1017516 2-18-99 2:13a | !AR1483 ZIP 1022660 3-07-99 7:21p | !AR1491 ZIP 1063806 3-21-99 5:35p | !AR150A ZIP 1042300 5-08-99 8:21p | !AR150B1 ZIP 1062911 5-16-99 11:13p | !AR150B2 ZIP 1063492 7-04-99 10:51p | !AR150RC ZIP 1173984 11-14-04 3:22p | !AR160B1 ZIP 1284652 3-16-00 10:49p | !AR160B2 ZIP 1203028 3-17-00 7:47p | !AR160SR ZIP 1217662 3-21-00 12:33a | !AR161SN ZIP 38604 5-18-00 5:12p | !AR161SR ZIP 1233028 6-04-00 8:53p | !AR162 ZIP 1253211 1-14-01 11:08p | !AR164 ZIP 1270740 7-06-00 9:07p | !AR165 ZIP 1273195 1-21-01 6:59p | !AR166 ZIP 1285473 1-21-01 6:59p | !AR166E ZIP 6429 1-21-01 6:10p Š| !AR166E7 ZIP 1283382 1-21-01 7:00p | !AR167 ZIP 1292168 1-21-01 7:00p | !AR167E ZIP 6429 1-21-01 6:11p | !AR167E7 ZIP 1335370 1-21-01 7:00p | !AR168 ZIP 1282091 1-21-01 7:00p | !AR169 ZIP 1317653 11-02-01 7:18p | !AR170 ZIP 1309562 10-17-04 4:22p | !AR17070 ZIP 1299612 11-02-01 7:16p | !AR1707C ZIP 1294464 11-02-01 7:17p | !AR17080 ZIP 1294559 11-02-01 7:17p | !AR17082 ZIP 1294836 11-02-01 7:17p | !AR171 ZIP 1340095 12-28-02 7:22p | !AR171UE ZIP 1356698 10-17-04 4:26p | !AR173G1 ZIP 1387740 10-17-04 4:30p | !AR173UE ZIP 1382962 11-05-03 11:05p | !AR175G1 ZIP 1398799 5-13-04 10:57a | !AR175GJ ZIP 1432099 3-13-04 5:58p | !AR177 ZIP 1529231 11-05-04 9:01p | !AR179 ZIP 1530730 12-25-04 6:32a | !AR179ST ZIP 1713147 10-17-04 10:30p | !AR181 ZIP 1592107 2-16-05 9:15p | !AR183 ZIP 1616933 3-06-05 8:17p | !AR185 ZIP 1621054 8-10-05 10:59a | !AR187 ZIP 1634936 11-11-05 9:41p | !AR189 ZIP 1638281 11-29-05 7:07p | !AR190 ZIP 1647381 3-12-06 4:09p | !AR190JG ZIP 1640646 4-17-06 3:29p | !AR191 ZIP 1647633 6-03-06 11:00p | !ARNEWS ZIP 2217785 3-06-04 7:07p | 66 File(s) 17670144 bytes free | | | | ============================================================================ | | 465) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 9:46:10 pm | | Eric> | Ray, This is what I mean that you insist on being stubborn. | NOBODY, not just me, should have to connect everytime they | want to check or debug a disconnect BAT file. A batch file | works and presents on screen differently when run by Arachne | than when run from the command line so to see how it really | works one has to have the ability to run it from ALT-H. | I REPEAT...those functions which don't interfere with the | operation of Arachne should not be taken away from the user. | What useful function does disabling ALT-H serve ?? Pleassssse ! | Answer me that! | | ============================================================================ | | 466) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 10:04:45 pm | | Eric> | Ray, The problem you are having with concatenation of the Š| roura.log is one reason that delegation of functions that are | treated differently by different DOS's to batch files is not | always the best way to go. I could be wrong but it seems that | I saw/heard somewhere that the "if exist" function works | differently in differnt DOS's. | | ============================================================================ | | 467) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 10:27:00 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | re 456, indirectly that's about right. As I have it now | ALT+H gets blocked if(!gTCPIP) but the TCPIP status flag is | itself set and unset all over the place as you know. My ongoing | experiments test for ppp.log and/or CD and try and deterimine | accurately if you are infact connected or not. Now, it's quite | possible, as Eric says, that this flag can be set incorrectly but | I'd say the answer to that is to damned well make sure it IS | correct. Mind, if that just can't be done, then of course we've | got to retreat and remove any such blocks -- but heck it's at | least a worthy goal no? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 468) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 10:32:40 pm | | Eric> | Ray, It also isn't obvious to a non-driver that placing | a small rock at the corner of your driveway is a bad idea. | Why, you ask? Because a driver when he is turning into the | driveway can't see it...but it may not become obvious to | the driveway owner until he damages his car on it a few | times....even though his friends, neighbors and wife and | kids have complained about it many times. My neighbor had | a dog that several of the other neighbors complained was | chewing on people. The dog owner didn't acknowledge it | untill one day the dog bit him. The next day the dog | disappeared. Ray, how many damaged wheels or dog bites | is it going to take to convince you? | | ============================================================================ | | 469) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 10:42:06 pm | | glennmcc> | re:"experiments test for ppp.log and/or CD and try and deterimine | accurately if you are infact connected or not." | | Sorry to to tell ya this but.... no can do. | | You have been concentrating on testing for modem connectivity. Š| | We can also have Arachne connected via NIC packet driver as I am now | doing on this DSL connection. | | We can also load a packet driver and connect her to another computer | in the same room that's running an HTTP server and the 2 machines | connected via a NULmodem cable. | | There is only one way that I know of to 'cover all of the bases'. | | And that is to test ever vector from 0x60 through 0x80 for the | existance of a packet driver. | | ============================================================================ | | 470) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 10:42:52 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I can't deny that when one is testing an 'automatic' system, one must | be able to switch to manual incase it doesn't work! Point taken, but | I am infact still trying to make this blocker thing useful. However, | you are correct that it's only use is to save the couple of seconds | it takes Arachne to quit, try to run the terminator then restart when | the opperation is pointless 'cause you AREN'T CONNECTED! Consider that | my stubborness is the mirror image of yours -- you are hung up on the | idea that my little blocker is BAD, whereas I'm just very mildly | infavour of it -- if it works and does no harm (which it might do | during testing of course!) Sheesh, it's not even a one liner: | | if(!gTCPIP) GotoPage("arachne:dialer"); | | becomes either: | | GotoPage("arachne:dialer"); | | or: | | #ifndef ERIC | if(!gTCPIP) | #endif | GotoPage("arachne:dialer"); | | I don't know why folks get up in arms about these tiny little | things, heck I sorta like it for now anyway, you don't like it, | that's fine, I can make a copy with any customisation you want and | not even care if I like it 'cause what matters is that you like it. | But please grant me the same courtesy to like what I like. | | Now, to real issues: you found another bug, there was indeed | an error in the empty trash but it only seems to happen (here anyway) | after another mail opperation. FWIW, the reason is that I forgot | to zero an varaible between calls in one of my new functions. Fixed. | Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 471) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 10:47:55 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | You're probably right, but that's an easy change, I just have to | wrap the CD detect line inside a for() loop that steps through the | vectors, it's a one liner. Question is, will that cover ALL the | bases? As to the CD detect stuff, the best that will ever get to | is a user option -- no way that stuff will ever be on all the time, | too flakey by half. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 472) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 10:48:31 pm | | glennmcc> | The bottom line is... | a packet driver loaded at any of those vectors == connected. | | All other points are moot. | | ============================================================================ | | 473) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 10:52:26 pm | | glennmcc> | Nope... the CD detect does not test the vectors. | | It tests a single bit within the base port address of the modem. | | | ============================================================================ | | 474) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 10:53:37 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | You know, I have only one real problem with your point of view my | man, and that is that you seem to expect my cores to be presented | and polished like finished products which they most certainly | are not. docs are incomplete and changing, experimental ideas | are laying around everywhere in various states of completion, | old functions have been redesigned with varying degrees of | skill ... don't get emotional about the errors and differences of | oppinion. The former will be ironed out, the latter are | negotiable and besides, you can always have what you want anyway. | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 475) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 10:53:42 pm | | glennmcc> | Therefore.... the CD detect will not work for NIC cards. | | ============================================================================ | | 476) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 10:55:50 pm | | glennmcc> | Also won't work for packet drivers loaded to use the built-in comm ports | connected via NULmodem cable. | | | ============================================================================ | | 477) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 10:56:31 pm | | glennmcc> | It only works for modem dial-up connections. | | ============================================================================ | | 478) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 10:56:47 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | You missunderstood. I know what the CD stuff does and how incomplete | it is, that's why it will never be anything but a frill even if | the packet driver detect becomes standard. Too bad the latter | couldn't be improved such that it detected not only the existance of | the vector but the status of the connection too :-) I'll be there | is some way of doing it, like a 'ping' or something. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 479) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 10:57:39 pm | | ray> | Good night gentlemen, mailman's bedtime. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 480) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 11:00:03 pm | | glennmcc> Š| And as I pointed-out some time ago... my PCI modem has no comm port | number but rather must be accessed via IRQ and base port address | | My base port address is 0xB800 | | Which means that the CD detect code 'for() loop' would need to go from | 0x2e8 all the way to 0xB800 | | And perhaps higher because some other PCI modems might be at even | higher base port addresses. | | | ============================================================================ | | 481) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 11:08:00 pm | | glennmcc> | Now that's the best idea you've had all week. ;-) | | 'ping' a particular IP address to see if we are still connected. | | But just what IP address would we ping ? | | When I have my 2 machines connected to each other via NULmodem cable | niether of them has access to the web... but only to each other. | | Therfore, the only IP address Arachne has access to is the IP address of | the machine running the the HTTP server. | | And pinging the other machine and not getting an answer does not | necesarily mean that Arachne has lost her connection. | | She will not get a ping if the other machine is busy doing something else. | | Such-as if I shelled to DOS from the server to check something | and had not exited the shell yet when the ping request was made by | Arachne on the client machine. | | So, as I said up above...... no can do. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 482) Thu, Jun 08, 2006 - 11:11:05 pm | | glennmcc> | As to nowing what the CD detect does....... | | Apparently you don't understand it as well as you think you do or you | would not have said that you could...... | | "wrap the CD detect line inside a for() loop that steps through the vectors, | | The CD detect don't look at vectors... it looks at base port addesses. Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 483) Fri, Jun 09, 2006 - 12:38:56 am | | Eric> | Ray, What I suggest is that when there is a justified | complaint that you leave it the way it was for the rest | of us and keep the blocker for yourself if you are so | attached to it. That way, everyone will not need a | custom compilation. I don't, I repeat, I don't expect | your setup to be polished. As a matter of fact, I would | probably faint from shock if I had no problems with it. | What I expect is the willingness to fix/remove those | changes from the testers/general version that cause | the testers problems or elicit complaints for legitimate | reasons. Keep them for yourself and use them and refine them | if you can and then reactivate them for testing when you | decide that they are improved. The more things that you | leave in the core/setup that cause the testers agravation | then the less testing your core will get. When I get irritated | enough then I switch back to a setup I know will work and the | testing on your core stops. And I'm sure that others using | your setup will do likewise. I'm glad to help when my advice | is welcomed. But when I feel my advice is ignored then I've | learned to stop advising. | I'm glad that your trying different things but I've done | enough inventing and programming to know that in the end if | only five percent of my "great" ideas were really that great | I would probably be a billionaire today. The real faults or | disadvantages of most ideas are not evident untill one tries | to implement them. After all in hockey, how many goal | attempts end up with the puck in the net. But...all those | other attempts were necessary to get goals that counted. | | ============================================================================ | | 484) Fri, Jun 09, 2006 - 7:19:41 am | | ray> | Ooopps, sorry I meant wrap the vector tests inside a for() loop, | not the CD detect, pardon I was falling asleep. | | | ============================================================================ | | 485) Fri, Jun 09, 2006 - 10:41:34 am | | glennmcc> | WAKE UP !!!!!! | | | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 486) Fri, Jun 09, 2006 - 4:20:08 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Ironicaly, it is precicely our differences in opinion and our ways | of using Arachne that make your testing so valuable to me -- you | do things and think things that I don't so you find things that | I wouldn't and broaden my mind to things I wouldn't otherwise consider. | | As to things like the hangup blocker, sheesh, don't take this stuff | so seriously, I throw these things around and after I've had some | feedback I decide to keep, trash, or conditionalize them as the case | may be, it's just not a big deal. If you don't like it it could be | as simple as: | | Eric: "Ray, I don't like that blocker you put in to stop me from | executing a call to my hangup .bat when I'm not online." | | Ray: "Oh, sure, I'll comment it out in the next core upload". | | Other than that, I think your general attitude to my experiments is | possitive -- I'm glad you agree/understand that not every 'great' | idea turns out to be that great after all heck, If I bat 500 | I think I'm Hank Arron. And it is always the case that you don't | really know what you've done till several other people have | kicked it around. | | New core in the mail shortly, there's the 'trash' bug and Vladimir | found one too. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 487) Fri, Jun 09, 2006 - 5:10:07 pm | | ????> | ???? | | ============================================================================ | | 488) Fri, Jun 09, 2006 - 5:10:51 pm | | ????> | Ironically.... | | Eric expressed his feelings on this matter in posts 428, 436, 443, 447, | 448, 450, 451, 452, etc... etc... etc... | | In most of your replies to those posts, you have been argueing for | keeping the 'hangup blocker'. | Š| It is only now that you seem to understand that the blocker needs to be | taken out of any compiles you send to Eric. | | | ============================================================================ | | 489) Fri, Jun 09, 2006 - 5:29:38 pm | | ray> | Ironicaly ... | | You're wrong. If someone just asks for something I'll probably | do it, but if they want to argue the *merits* of their position, | being the cooperative guy that I am, I will then argue the merits of | their position, since it seems that that's what they want to do. | This is such a textbook case of why no amount of inteligence can | help an autistic to understand what normal people really want. | Why (we ask ourselves) don't they just say what they want like we do? | | | ============================================================================ | | 490) Fri, Jun 09, 2006 - 5:32:32 pm | | ray> | Correction, you're quite right, that's exactly what happened, I | responded to a percieved inuendo, not to the face of your comment. | | | ============================================================================ | | 491) Fri, Jun 09, 2006 - 5:34:20 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | so I figure, if I have my range correct that this should do it: | | | /* | NOTE, if ppp.log exists with no packet driver loaded, (as after a crash and | reboot), old way shows CD break page, new way ignores the problem and delete | ppp.log on exit. Box shows OFFLINE as it should. Contrary wise, if there is | a packet driver loaded, but no ppp.log (as when changing to another copy of | Arachne in another directory while online), the old way won't connect, gives | 'No Network Interface Available" msg; you must hangup and redial to connect. | New way starts fine, status shows 'Can't open ppp.log' and then Box shows | ONLINE -- it can't show the timer since that is linked to ppp.log's time | stamp. ppp.log is now used by core only for the online timer. | */ | // if(FileExists("PPP.LOG")) | { | int i; | for(i = 0x60; i < 0x81; i++) // CHECK ALL POSSIBLE LOCATIONS OF | VECTOR. Š| if(!strcmp((char *)getvect(i) + 3, "PKT DRVR") // Andrej's method :-) | || arg2 == 'd') // Dial requested, if no pkt driver access error msgs. | ArachneTCPIP(); // initialize TCP/IP | } | | | | ============================================================================ | | 492) Fri, Jun 09, 2006 - 6:13:22 pm | | glennmcc> | FanFrigginTastic.... by George... I think he's got it !!!! | | ============================================================================ | | 493) Fri, Jun 09, 2006 - 9:47:16 pm | | ray> | You know, with your code still containing internal hangup code, | it would be possible to capture the vector # and then plug that | into the argument to 'termin' to give an automatic hangup of the | correct vector. Slick. | | | ============================================================================ | | 494) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 2:24:14 pm | | glennmcc> | I don't understand what you mean by 'internal hangup code'. | | As far as I know Alt+H does now and always has run an external program | to hangup by unloading the packet driver. | | BRB | | | ============================================================================ | | 495) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 2:28:11 pm | | glennmcc> | | ---------- e:adial.c | [109] char terminal[80]="\0",hangup[80]="\0",useterm=0,dospppd=0; | [123] value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"Hangup",NULL); | [126] makestr(hangup,value,128); | [127] strcat(hangup,"\n"); | [261] sprintf(buf,"%s%s@if errorlevel 1 goto skip\n%s\n:skip\n",hangup,termi | | ---------- e:guievent.c | [1177] strcpy(GLOBAL.location,"arachne:hangup"); | | ---------- e:protocol.c Š| [93] if(!strcmpi(url->file,"hangup")) | [97] outs(MSG_HANGUP); | [101] sprintf(buf,"%s\nif exist PPP.LOG del | PPP.LOG\n",configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"Hangup",NULL)); | [102] value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"ExitOnHangup",NULL); | | | Yep......... | all external by creating and running an external batch file to delete | ppp.log and run whatever program is named on the 'Hangup line' in arachne.cf | | ============================================================================ | | 496) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 2:46:04 pm | | glennmcc> | What happens in your version when Alt+H is pressed ? | | ============================================================================ | | 497) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 3:13:21 pm | | glennmcc> | Just now downloaded from Tripiod and looked through your B7 code. | | I can't find anything that unloads the packet driver except what's in | arachne.bat | | So if I understand correctly... TerminateArachne(65) exits core.exe | and executes the portion of arachne.bat that unloads the packet driver. | | Specifically... | | if errorlevel 65 goto termin | | :termin | if errorlevel 66 set $hang$=exit | :: //5y: Internal hangup code gone, do it all here now. | connect\termin.com 0x60 | if exist ppp.log copy ppp.log ppp.bak | if exist ppp.log del ppp.log | if (%1) == (-u) goto end | if %$hang$! == exit! goto end | core.exe -r | goto aftertermin | | __________ | | | Question.... | | What the the heck does this line do ???? | | connect\termin.com 0x60 | Š| If I understand correctly..... termin.com is loacated in the subdir | connect under the arachne_main_dir like so....... | | c:\arachne\connect\termin.com | | | If this is correct... not only must a tester have the correct files... | they must also setup a subdir and move or copy termin.com to that subdir | so that your version can unload the packet driver. | | In addition to that........ if theyt have the packet driver loaded at | any other vector than 0x60.... they must edit arachne.bat to point to | that vector. | | In all of Michael's versions, all of my versions and in all of Joe's version | no such requirements exist for setting up a new dir structure | and no such requirement exists for editing arachne.bat to get Alt+H to work. | | | ============================================================================ | | 498) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 3:20:51 pm | | glennmcc> | In all of the those version.... any user how needs to change the hanup | command from the default setting can do it right from the setup page. | | file:l:\arachne\system\gui\conf_ext.ah | | No editing of arachne.bat... no editing of arachne.cfg... no subdir | requirement... no screwing around...... just do it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 499) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 5:08:26 pm | | glennmcc> | OK, that's enough bitching for one evening. | | Got connected using your core.exe and guess what ? | | I like it. | | Good job Ray !!!!!!!!!!!! | | | | ============================================================================ | | 500) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 5:10:57 pm | | glennmcc> | Now... | if you put the best stuff from yours Š| together with the best stuff from Joe's...... | | v1.91 is gonna be the best version ever. | | | ============================================================================ | | 501) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 5:18:00 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | re: 494, Sure, but, as with dialing, your core still creates | and executes a roura and adds whatever it wants to that roura first, | in the code above just the errorlevel stuff, but it could | be expanded to execute termin with an argument pointing to the | vector. As with dialing what you gain in internal processing you | loose in flexibility which is why I opt to do it all externaly. | | As to your comments on 'connect\termin ...' you are | absolutely correct. In a bid to organize myself a bit better I | created a \connect subdir and moved all relevant stuff into it, | but of course I forgot all about it vis. letting any one else know | about that or just changing it back. Not surprising Eric can't | hangup eh? Seems to me what I should do it have the .bat call | another 'hangup.bat' so that the user doesn't have to edit | arachne.bat but instead edits hangup.bat as needed, same logic | as with 'connect.bat' | | | | ============================================================================ | | 502) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 5:22:45 pm | | ray> | Hey! Thanks for firing it up :-) Hope to get some feedback from the | master himself! As to 'the best', as you know, I have almost all the | stuff from 1.90 included already, only the changes that aren't | relevant are omitted. Oh, and your history exclusion system as | we've discussed ... mind, I'm very near caving in on that anyway ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 503) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 5:34:59 pm | | glennmcc> | As to the subdir..... | | Now that I have thought about it a little more....... | | I like that idea. | | Heck, Š| do you remember way back when there were almost no subdirs under arachne_mai | | Almost everything was in one directory. | | BRB | | | ============================================================================ | | 504) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 5:38:36 pm | | glennmcc> | I stand corrected. | | Not 'almost everything'.... EVERYTHING. | | bytes files path | 2,569,937 295 c:\arachne | 0 0 c:\arachne\cache | total files 295 | total bytes 2,569,937 | | ============================================================================ | | 505) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 5:39:53 pm | | glennmcc> | Now we have it more organized like this.... | | bytes files path | 55,077 2 l:\ | 0 0 l:\temp | 101 2 l:\temp\arachne.tmp | 2,135,424 193 l:\arachne | 335 2 l:\arachne\asf.bak | 76,058 9 l:\arachne\cache | 1,194 2 l:\arachne\cache\headers | 93,742 28 l:\arachne\doc | 54,793 23 l:\arachne\examples | 2,185 8 l:\arachne\oops | 459,711 50 l:\arachne\system | 2,369 6 l:\arachne\system\apm.db | 512 2 l:\arachne\system\codepage | 26,213 5 l:\arachne\system\devdrvrs | 91,127 10 l:\arachne\system\dgi | 174,559 64 l:\arachne\system\gui | 275,191 125 l:\arachne\system\ikons | 52,624 12 l:\arachne\system\pktdrvrs | 5,107 2 l:\arachne\system\pktdrvrs\dsl | 35,391 8 l:\arachne\acf.bak | total files 553 | total bytes 3,541,713 | | ============================================================================ | Š| 506) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 5:43:55 pm | | glennmcc> | So.......... adding the \arachne_main\connect\ subdir to hold everything | for connecting/disconnecting seems like the next logical step. | | connect.bat | disconnect.bat | termin.com | miniterm.exe | epppd.exe | lsppp.exe | lsppp.cfg | pppdrc.cfg | ppp.log | | etc....etc...etc... should all be in the connect subdir | | | ============================================================================ | | 507) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 8:17:09 pm | | ray> | As Gregy would say: "Prezackly". | | If that becomes stock, it'll save me from having to cope with | another incompatablility between cores. Tho, come to think of | it the 'connect.bat' and 'hangup.bat' sould probably be in the main | dir so they can be run independantly ... or not, either way it's | a step toward decent organization. | | | ============================================================================ | | 508) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 8:20:54 pm | | ray> | And there's more to do in the same line, like a \mime subdir for | external commands run by Arachne but part of the package and maybe a | \util subdir for misc stuff. My idea of a beautifuly organized | program is our Borland compiler -- almost nothing in the main dir, | everything organized nicely in subdirs. | | ============================================================================ | | 509) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 9:44:23 pm | | glennmcc> | Prezackly | | | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 510) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 8:44:18 am | | ray> | Oy Eric, what's happening? | | | ============================================================================ | | 511) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 11:09:42 am | | Eric> | Ray, Where is this new fixed core you promised ?? | I just looked at Tripod and everything is dated June 2 . | | ============================================================================ | | 512) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 11:15:24 am | | Eric> | Ray, I just got "can't allocate memory for inbox" error. | | | ============================================================================ | | 513) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 11:36:01 am | | Eric> | Ray, glennmcc, I'm not so sure I like this idea of adding | subdirectories for everything, because of individual variations | in different DOS's. It seems I can recall some complications | caused by a failure to find things sorted into subdirectories. | It looks good on a flow chart...but.... | | ============================================================================ | | 514) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 1:30:18 pm | | glennmcc> | The problems due to paths were due to user-configured paths that were | not done correctly. | | What Ray and I are proposing would be paths that are hard-coded into core.ex | Just as all ikons are hard-coded to be in arachne_main\system\ikons and | all font files are hard-coded to be in arachne_main\system | | We would hard-code all of the dialing/connecting/disconnecting files to | be in arachne_main\system\connect | | We could also move all of the .CFG files to arachne_main\system\config | and all of the html files to arachne_main\system\html | | IMO, | The only files that should remain in arachne_main itself would be | 'main executable' files such-as arachne.bat, core.exe, setup.bat, etc..etc.. Š| | ============================================================================ | | 515) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 1:46:24 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Something like this.......... | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/new_dirs.txt | | | ============================================================================ | | 516) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 1:49:07 pm | | glennmcc> | That trimms arachne_main down to only 25 files. | | Everthing else that used to be there is moved to sub dirs where | anything you need to find can be grabbed in just a second or two | because it's in a sub dir named for the type of file it happens to be. | | ============================================================================ | | 517) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 2:15:15 pm | | Eric> | Hey Guys, What the heck did Patrice Lemmonier send to | the list....Hoew many MB...5-6 MB?....I had to use Ray's | mail skip utility....I ran out of memory? | | | ============================================================================ | | 518) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 2:17:26 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I just found the core in my email but the ZIP was bad... | I was trying to DL it again when Patrice's email screw things | up. | | | ============================================================================ | | 519) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 2:27:46 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, It's easy to grab but not always as easy to find. | It makes changing stuff more complicated. Some utilities only | work in the directory they are in. It's a lot of work and | may be one of those ideas that look good on paper but... | Will it not also create some backward compatibility issues? | | ============================================================================ Š| | 520) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 2:36:36 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Why do I have a POP3.LOG that is 2.175 MB ? | This certainly prevents using this on a minimal machine! | | ============================================================================ | | 521) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 2:41:42 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Your ZIP file is in my 2.175 MB POP3.LOG but no where else. | How in the hell am I supposed to get it.....parse the pop3.log? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 522) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 2:44:19 pm | | glennmcc> | When moveing forward... backward compatibiltiy is irrelevant. | | Current versions most certainly are not backward complatible with those | versions that had all of the files in one directory. | | ============================================================================ | | 523) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 3:04:25 pm | | glennmcc> | Try this. | | Copy pop3.log into your mail dir and rename it as pop3.cnm | | Insight.exe should then be able to grab the ZIP from there. | | ============================================================================ | | 524) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 4:02:35 pm | | Eric > | I have a CNM from Ray with lists 236KB but when I download the | ZIP attachment the ZIP file is only 98KB. Before I had a 216KB | ZIP and PKZip said it was defective so for sure 98KB ain't | complete. And I don't have 2.5 MB to copy the POP3.LOG | into. Why is the POP3.LOG so big now? | | | | ray | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 525) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 4:08:58 pm | | glennmcc> | pop3.log contains all of your emails from the most recent download | concentrated into a single file. (headers and all) | | BRB | | | | ============================================================================ | | 526) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 4:17:04 pm | | glennmcc> | --- my current pop3.log after downloading 4 test messages --- | Asking domain name server for pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com ... | +OK hello from popgate(2.34.1) | USER glennmcc1959 | PASS q | +OK maildrop ready, 4 messages (8309 octets) (39554 2147483648) | LIST 1 | +OK 1 1454 | RETR 1 | +OK 1454 octets | X-Apparently-To: glennmcc@sbcglobal.net via 209.191.84.227; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 | X-Originating-IP: [68.142.198.207] | Authentication-Results: mta136.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com | from=cisnet.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) | Received: from 207.115.57.67 (EHLO ylpvm36.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.67) | by mta136.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:13:47 -070 | X-Originating-IP: [68.142.198.207] | Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.co | [68.142.198.207]) | by ylpvm36.prodigy.net (8.13.6 inb/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5BMDR4R017639 | for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:13:27 -0400 | Message-Id: <200606112213.k5BMDR4R017639@ylpvm36.prodigy.net> | Received: (qmail 85033 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2006 22:13:46 -0000 | Received: from unknown (HELO sbcglobal.net) (glennmcc@sbcglobal.net@64.109.1 | login) | by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2006 22:13:46 -0000 | From: "Glenn McCorkle" | Organization: Arachne Fan Club | Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:13:14 -0500 | X-Mailer: Arachne v1.91;UE11 | To: glennmcc@sbcglobal.net | Reply-To: glennmcc@cisnet.com | Subject: test 1... | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 | Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit | | this is #1 | Š| -- | Glenn | http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ | http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html | . | DELE 1 | +OK message 1 marked deleted | LIST 2 | +OK 2 1453 | RETR 2 | +OK 1453 octets | X-Apparently-To: glennmcc@sbcglobal.net via 209.191.84.214; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 | X-Originating-IP: [207.115.20.54] | Authentication-Results: mta122.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com | from=cisnet.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) | Received: from 207.115.20.54 (EHLO ylpvm02.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.54) | by mta122.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:13:57 -070 | X-Originating-IP: [68.142.198.210] | Received: from smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.co | [68.142.198.210]) | by ylpvm02.prodigy.net (8.13.6 inb/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5BMDXA9005916 | for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:13:34 -0700 | Message-Id: <200606112213.k5BMDXA9005916@ylpvm02.prodigy.net> | Received: (qmail 48802 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2006 22:13:52 -0000 | Received: from unknown (HELO sbcglobal.net) (glennmcc@sbcglobal.net@64.109.1 | login) | by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2006 22:13:51 -0000 | From: "Glenn McCorkle" | Organization: Arachne Fan Club | Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:13:20 -0500 | X-Mailer: Arachne v1.91;UE11 | To: glennmcc@sbcglobal.net | Reply-To: glennmcc@cisnet.com | Subject: test 2... | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 | Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit | | this is #2 | | -- | Glenn | http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ | http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html | . | DELE 2 | +OK message 2 marked deleted | LIST 3 | +OK 3 2632 | RETR 3 | +OK 2632 octets | X-Apparently-To: glennmcc@sbcglobal.net via 209.191.84.228; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 | X-Originating-IP: [68.142.198.203] Š| Authentication-Results: mta130.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com | from=cisnet.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) | Received: from 207.115.20.35 (EHLO flpvm05.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.35) | by mta130.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:14:22 -070 | X-Originating-IP: [68.142.198.203] | Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.co | [68.142.198.203]) | by flpvm05.prodigy.net (8.13.6 inb/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5BME1cx023398 | for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:14:01 -0700 | Message-Id: <200606112214.k5BME1cx023398@flpvm05.prodigy.net> | Received: (qmail 58778 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2006 22:14:21 -0000 | Received: from unknown (HELO sbcglobal.net) (glennmcc@sbcglobal.net@64.109.1 | login) | by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2006 22:14:20 -0000 | From: "Glenn McCorkle" | Organization: Arachne Fan Club | Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:13:44 -0500 | X-Mailer: Arachne v1.91;UE11 | To: glennmcc@sbcglobal.net | Reply-To: glennmcc@cisnet.com | Subject: test 3... | X-Encoding: MIME | MIME-Version: 1.0 | X-Attachment-Processor: Insight 4.6;ML | Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=MIME-multipart-message-boundary-1150 | | * This message is in MIME format. | | --MIME-multipart-message-boundary-1150060424 | Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 | Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit | | this is #3 | (with 16bit.txt attached) | | -- | Glenn | http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ | http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html | | --MIME-multipart-message-boundary-1150060424 | Content-Type: text/plain ;name=16bit.txt | Content-ID: arachne-namespace/16bit.txt | Content-Description: File "16bit.txt" (type text/plain, size 0 KB) | Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable | | This version of the Arachne distribution package requires at least a | 80386-compatible CPU to run, but CORE.EXE, the main Arachne component, is | compiled as a 16 bit DOS executable. To run in 16bit DOS (either real | machine or virtual x86), you need to apply the package "16bit.apm", or: | | 1) get 16bit DJPEG.EXE (e.g., from old Arachne packages) | 2) in MIME.CFG, change all calls to DJPEG32.EXE to DJPEG.EXE | 3) remove all calls to PNG2BMP.EXE from MIME.CFG Š| | Arachne won't be able to view PNG images in 16bit mode any time soon. | If you know of a compact PNG library available for 16bit DOS, please | let us know about it. | --MIME-multipart-message-boundary-1150060424-- | . | DELE 3 | +OK message 3 marked deleted | LIST 4 | +OK 4 1445 | RETR 4 | +OK 1445 octets | X-Apparently-To: glennmcc@sbcglobal.net via 209.191.84.215; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 | X-Originating-IP: [207.115.20.54] | Authentication-Results: mta815.mail.scd.yahoo.com | from=cisnet.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) | Received: from 207.115.20.54 (EHLO ylpvm02.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.54) | by mta815.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:14:32 -0700 | X-Originating-IP: [68.142.198.210] | Received: from smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.co | [68.142.198.210]) | by ylpvm02.prodigy.net (8.13.6 inb/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5BME9oA010407 | for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:14:09 -0700 | Message-Id: <200606112214.k5BME9oA010407@ylpvm02.prodigy.net> | Received: (qmail 50478 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2006 22:14:31 -0000 | Received: from unknown (HELO sbcglobal.net) (glennmcc@sbcglobal.net@64.109.1 | login) | by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2006 22:14:31 -0000 | From: "Glenn McCorkle" | Organization: Arachne Fan Club | Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:13:59 -0500 | X-Mailer: Arachne v1.91;UE11 | To: glennmcc@sbcglobal.net | Reply-To: glennmcc@cisnet.com | Subject: test 4... | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 | Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit | | this is #4 | | -- | Glenn | http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ | http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html | . | DELE 4 | +OK message 4 marked deleted | Closing connection... | +OK server signing off. | _____________________________________________________________ | | Now I'll rename pop3.log as pop3.cnm and change my setup so that my | arachne_main dir will be the mail dir. Š| | BRB | | ============================================================================ | | 527) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 4:25:55 pm | | glennmcc> | Nope.... did not work. :( | | The boundaries are in the wrong places to get insight.exe to seperate | the attachment. | | | --MIME-multipart-message-boundary-1150060424 | Content-Type: text/plain ;name=16bit.txt | Content-ID: arachne-namespace/16bit.txt | Content-Description: File "16bit.txt" (type text/plain, size 0 KB) | Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable | | | What you'll need to do is the 'crop-out' the section of pop3.log which | is the message in question and save it as a seperat .CNM file. | | --- like so ---- | X-Apparently-To: glennmcc@sbcglobal.net via 209.191.84.228; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 | X-Originating-IP: [68.142.198.203] | Authentication-Results: mta130.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com | from=cisnet.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) | Received: from 207.115.20.35 (EHLO flpvm05.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.35) | by mta130.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:14:22 -070 | X-Originating-IP: [68.142.198.203] | Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.co | [68.142.198.203]) | by flpvm05.prodigy.net (8.13.6 inb/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5BME1cx023398 | for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:14:01 -0700 | Message-Id: <200606112214.k5BME1cx023398@flpvm05.prodigy.net> | Received: (qmail 58778 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2006 22:14:21 -0000 | Received: from unknown (HELO sbcglobal.net) (glennmcc@sbcglobal.net@64.109.1 | login) | by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2006 22:14:20 -0000 | From: "Glenn McCorkle" | Organization: Arachne Fan Club | Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:13:44 -0500 | X-Mailer: Arachne v1.91;UE11 | To: glennmcc@sbcglobal.net | Reply-To: glennmcc@cisnet.com | Subject: test 3... | X-Encoding: MIME | MIME-Version: 1.0 | X-Attachment-Processor: Insight 4.6;ML | Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=MIME-multipart-message-boundary-1150 | | * This message is in MIME format. | Š| --MIME-multipart-message-boundary-1150060424 | Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 | Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit | | this is #3 | (with 16bit.txt attached) | | -- | Glenn | http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ | http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html | | --MIME-multipart-message-boundary-1150060424 | Content-Type: text/plain ;name=16bit.txt | Content-ID: arachne-namespace/16bit.txt | Content-Description: File "16bit.txt" (type text/plain, size 0 KB) | Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable | | This version of the Arachne distribution package requires at least a | 80386-compatible CPU to run, but CORE.EXE, the main Arachne component, is | compiled as a 16 bit DOS executable. To run in 16bit DOS (either real | machine or virtual x86), you need to apply the package "16bit.apm", or: | | 1) get 16bit DJPEG.EXE (e.g., from old Arachne packages) | 2) in MIME.CFG, change all calls to DJPEG32.EXE to DJPEG.EXE | 3) remove all calls to PNG2BMP.EXE from MIME.CFG | | Arachne won't be able to view PNG images in 16bit mode any time soon. | If you know of a compact PNG library available for 16bit DOS, please | let us know about it. | --MIME-multipart-message-boundary-1150060424-- | | | ============================================================================ | | 528) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 4:28:32 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep.... that worked.... now I got it back intact. | | ============================================================================ | | 529) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 5:40:43 pm | | Eric > | Well, I'm now running Erichne 1.90:B7:7m | | | ============================================================================ | | 530) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 5:55:15 pm | | Eric > | Ray, what is this file DIRDGI.HTM. It doesn't work for me... Š| does it work for you? | | | ============================================================================ | | 531) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 7:09:52 pm | | glennmcc> | Do you have this line in mime.cfg ? | | file/dir.dgi >htm|dir $klastdir \|$esystem\\dgi\\fixmem.com dir>$2 | | __________________________________________________________________ | | If it's there but commented-out with a ; at the start of the line, | remove the ; to enable it. | | ============================================================================ | | 532) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 7:41:45 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I dunno what went wrong with that attachment, anyway seems you | managed to extract it, leme just send you a small file right now | to make sure things are OK ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 533) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 7:44:40 pm | | ray> | just sent main.c as an attachment let's see if it makes it w.o. trouble. | | I have no idea what dirdgi might be I'll look at my mime as | Glenn says ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 534) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 7:50:18 pm | | ray> | Ewww, just ran that and I shell to dos, get a dir listing but then | there is no prompt just a flashing cursor. I can type commands but | nothing happens except for the display of the command, had to | reboot. let me try it in 1.90 ... | | | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 535) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 7:54:52 pm | | ray> | 1.90 is even worse, I get a black screen and then the same as above. | But Ctrl+Break cancels the roura that is active and you can then | restart Arachne OK. | | ============================================================================ | | 536) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 7:56:54 pm | | ray> | So Eric, how's dem bugs? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 537) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 8:04:11 pm | | glennmcc> | If you would stop using that POS called 4dos... | you would stop having such troubles. | | ============================================================================ | | 538) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 8:49:19 pm | | glennmcc> | Oh... wait a sec..... just thought of something. | | You didn't run dir.dgi derectly, did you ? | | file://dir.dgi typed into the URL bar ? | | If so, that's what caused the troubles. | | dir.dgi is intended to nbe used via the file Eric asked about. | | file://dirdgi.htm which is located in your arachne_main directory. | (and a slightly diferent version in the arachne_main\examples dir) | | ============================================================================ | | 539) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 10:52:01 pm | | ray> | I had done it that way, just tried it as you direct, under 4dos or | command.com the restult is the same, the roura hangs. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 540) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 10:53:45 pm Š| | ray> | FWIW the roura generated is: | | dir | .\system\dgi\fixmem dir>[my cache dir]\12345678.htm | arachne -r | | | | ============================================================================ | | 541) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 10:56:49 pm | | ray> | What is it supposed to do? | Actualy, let me try again via the second file, with 190 under | command.com ... | | ============================================================================ | | 542) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 10:59:30 pm | | ray> | Nope, no better, the dir seems fine, but she hangs at the call to | fixmem. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 543) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 11:00:55 pm | | ray> | Interesting that under 190, about 1/2 of the status line is not | erased. | | | ============================================================================ | | 544) Mon, Jun 12, 2006 - 5:04:09 pm | | glennmcc> | This is my $roura$.bat | | dir |l:\arachne\system\dgi\fixmem.com dir>\arachne\cache\50149540.htm | arachne -rg | | And this is what the result is.... | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/dirdgi.gif | | ============================================================================ | | 545) Mon, Jun 12, 2006 - 5:06:28 pm | Š| glennmcc> | Are you sure that the lin in mime.cfg reads exactly as follows ? | | file/dir.dgi >htm|dir $klastdir \|$esystem\\dgi\\fixmem.com dir>$2 | | Also... what is the path to your cache dir ? | (it might be too long for this DGI to handle) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 546) Mon, Jun 12, 2006 - 5:13:57 pm | | glennmcc> | Qusetion: How the devil can cats sleep like this ????? | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/patches1.gif | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/patches2.gif | | | ============================================================================ | | 547) Mon, Jun 12, 2006 - 5:17:31 pm | | glennmcc> | Oops... mistyped... those are both .jpg not .gif | | ============================================================================ | | 548) Mon, Jun 12, 2006 - 6:08:11 pm | | ray> | Ah, progress, my mime.cfg had '\n' where the pipe should have been, | seems to me some time ago I made that change because the pipe was | mistakenly being used to create newlines -- looks like that one | was not to be replaced. Works fine with 190 but I've got a bogey, it | isn't accepting the input from the .htm file, let me go and find it. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 549) Mon, Jun 12, 2006 - 11:12:20 pm | | ray> | Well that wasn't any fun at all. | | A long time ago, I did this in config.c: | | | // { RAY: 05-04-08: If another, longer keyword begins with the same | // string as the current keyword and is higher up in the file, it will be | // intersepted. Eg. if searching for "SysFont" but another line | // "SysFontSize 4" exists higer up in ARACHNE.CFG, the value returned for Š| // "SysFont will be "Size 4". This test fixes that (costs 16 bytes). | // This test also makes sure there is a space between keyword and value. | //~6a if(*line != ' ') | // if(isalnum(*line)) // Check for more than just != ' ' | // continue; | // } | while(*line == ' ') | line++; // Pass all spaces. | | ... and until now it's worked fine, but it craps out with dirdgi.htm | because -- and I haven't looked into why yet -- the keyword is stored | with the space included: 'lastdir '. Thus, my test above regects | it. I could just abandon the test but this is the first and only | time it's caused trouble and it is logicaly sound. I rather think | that the rougue space should be removed. OTOH, the above test is | just a little bit of hand holding anyway. Now is there any legitimate | reason to include as space as part of a keyword? Ah, but even if there | is one, the argument to the keyword should have a space between it | and the keyword in any case and become 'lastdir somedir' so | this is a bug in dirdgi.htm, I'm thinking. | | | ============================================================================ | | 550) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 3:29:29 pm | | Eric> | Ray, On the Arachne Desktop (hotkey X) there is an ikon | labled "Registration". Is that info up to date...I don't | think so...I'm sure any new user reading that would get | some wrong ideas. BTW, What have you done that | makes that Desktop page pop up so often. | | ============================================================================ | | 551) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 3:37:32 pm | | Eric> | Ray, something else, I have had some rather odd, random seemimg, | incidents with your core involving sudden arorts to DOS, no | return from ALT-E, and an xSwap error. Several times I'm sure | that I Alt-E'd to shell but when I tried to return with EXIT cmnd. | I got no response but was essentially aborted from Arachne. | The connection was not disturbed. I just typed arachne+ENTER and | I was back surfing again. | | | ============================================================================ | | 552) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 4:08:17 pm | | ray> | Hi Eric, | | What is this 'registration' ikon? I don't see any such thing. Š| As to the desktop, the old code has the dialpage used as the | default homepage which seems crazy to me so I use your | .cfg 'HomePage' as just that, that could be what you are seeing. | | As to these errors, please keep me posted and with as much detail | as possible, at first glance some of these things look like they | could be roura problems or path problems of some kind, esp. the no | return from ALT+E that would happen if somehow the code involved | simply couldn't find Arachne again. | | | ============================================================================ | | 553) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 4:10:30 pm | | ray> | Ah, waitaminute, I think I found what you were talking about, | F10 takes you to 'home.htm' which has a 'how to register' icon, | is that it? Well, it probably should be changed but you've gotta | talk to Glenn or Joe about that. Me, I'd just remove it altogether. | | | ============================================================================ | | 554) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 4:13:30 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | What is a bummer is that under command.com the roura.log is recreated | every restart, which isn't helpful, under 4dos, it is preserved, | which is what is wanted, I wonder how to fix that. If it was | preserved you could look there to see what was happpening. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 555) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 4:15:15 pm | | ray> | Eric, you're a batch wiz and you know command.com better than me, | can you look at my arachne.bat and see if you can fix it to | preserve the roura.log? | | | ============================================================================ | | 556) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 4:33:57 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Couldn't the roura.log just be copied to a file with a | different name before exit. | Š| ============================================================================ | | 557) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 4:59:41 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | Register.htm is the same situation as with 'readme.txt' | | (on the F1 help page).......... | | *readme.txt v1.70 [retained for purposes of nostalgia] ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 558) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 9:05:15 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Retaining things for nostalgia is fine, but... | don't you think it should be clearly designated as such ? | Otherwise, the uninformed will be informed into a state | of confusion. | | ============================================================================ | | 559) Thu, Jun 15, 2006 - 7:34:53 pm | | ray> | Eric is right, that stuff should be in some \legacy directory or | some such. Eric, as to roura.log maybe that would work, but as far | as I know, command.com should alow appending to the same filename | so I can't figure out what the problem is. Without a proper solution, | I suppose using a different name would work. | | | ============================================================================ | | 560) Sun, Jun 18, 2006 - 10:39:17 am | | ray> | Eric, | | I figured out why the roura.log isn't working with command.com. | Sort of anyway. Posted it to coollist for some feedback. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 561) Sun, Jun 18, 2006 - 2:31:25 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I never recieved any mail from you from the Coollist today. Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 562) Sun, Jun 18, 2006 - 3:50:31 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I'm running the Erichne 190B7:7m When I press AKT-H I get | "Cannot open the ppp.log" and arachne doesn't hang up. What have I | failed to change? | | ============================================================================ | | 563) Sun, Jun 18, 2006 - 3:56:43 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Some how, ppp.log is not being created, thus my 'SafeOpen()' | is notifying you. But since that file now only starts the online | timer, it's absence won't stop the connection from working, it's just | that you'll get 'ONLINE' instead of the time. I'd look at your | connection .bat and make sure it is creating ppp.log as it normaly | should. Of course maybe I should just disable that warning ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 564) Sun, Jun 18, 2006 - 6:34:05 pm | | glennmcc> | Did you move the hangup code call back into the arachne_main dir ? | | Or is it still trying to unload the packet driver via | arachne_main\connect\termin.com ? | | ============================================================================ | | 565) Sun, Jun 18, 2006 - 6:35:35 pm | | glennmcc> | Also... have you disabled that 'test' that says you aren't connected | when ppp.log does not exist... hence it does not try to hangup because | it thinks it doesn't need to ? | | ============================================================================ | | 566) Sun, Jun 18, 2006 - 8:42:48 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Hold on, I didn't say it was necessarily your fault. | It may have something to do with the new way I setup for | your core that the ppp.log didn't get made. I've had flu | like symptoms since 15:00 Fri and I'm just starting to Š| kind of function. It happened right after I had dinner | with friends and family of a close lifetime friend...so... | it could also be food poisoning. | | | ============================================================================ | | 567) Sun, Jun 18, 2006 - 8:44:43 pm | | Eric> | Ray, If ppp.log isn't essential for running Arachne...then... | why are we checking for it? | | ============================================================================ | | 568) Mon, Jun 19, 2006 - 9:40:51 am | | Eric> | Ray, The ppp.log is there originally, with ALT-H the ppp.log | is removed but I get the error message "Cannot open ppp.log" | and a beep and Arachne is still online. | | ============================================================================ | | 569) Mon, Jun 19, 2006 - 10:04:07 am | | Eric> | Ray, I changed the line: "connect\termin 0x60" in the :termin | section of your arachne.bat to @call hu.bat and now Alt-H works. | | | ============================================================================ | | 570) Mon, Jun 19, 2006 - 2:09:56 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I don't know what you changed to make Arachne beep and pause | everytime it can't find an item in the cache...but...for me it is | a PITA. I often go to the cache and remove items I no longer want | and when I return to that page I am stuck waiting for the page to | load. Pages used to load faster if I removed graphics from the cache | now removing the graphics makes them take for ever to load. | | | ============================================================================ | | 571) Mon, Jun 19, 2006 - 5:55:14 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, When someone sends an email to you that has been designed | to stop you from returning it, isn't the real return address | hidden somewherein the header? See the header inserted below: | | From: ITP Support | To: Š| Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:02:01 -0400 | Subject: Support Form Ref. #USGI8539 | Message-ID: | Received: from mx10.lax.untd.com (mx10.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.70]) | by maildeliver03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCKQANAAHN35G2 | for (sender ); | Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:56:48 -0700 (PDT) | Received: from plxbshexch01.ad.platformexperts.com ([64.29.183.31]) | by mx10.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCKQAM9AMQUU7A | for (sender ); | Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:56:47 -0700 (PDT) | Received: from swsp_sql0 ([64.29.183.25]) by plxbshexch01.ad.platformexperts | Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); | Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:56:59 -0400 | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit | X-Status: Read | X-Juno-Att: 0 | X-Priority: 3 | X-UNTD-Peer-Info: | 64.29.183.31|<>|plxbshexch01.ad.platformexperts.com|support@ad.platformexper | X-MAIL-INFO: | 513e43bf43ba4e4b9be34b835a4f7f7b0a83ee0a1bbb2b7b0233ce6f679f8f1fbf8f8f43a723 | Return-Path: support@ad.platformexperts.com | X-ContentStamp: 3:5:1626228525 | X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2006 19:56:59.0682 (UTC) | FILETIME=[8696C820:01C693DA] | X-UNTD-UBE: -1 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 572) Mon, Jun 19, 2006 - 7:18:26 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep, right here........ | | Received: from plxbshexch01.ad.platformexperts.com ([64.29.183.31]) | by mx10.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCKQAM9AMQUU7A | for (sender ); | __________________________________^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^_______ | | | ============================================================================ | | 573) Mon, Jun 19, 2006 - 7:21:15 pm | | glennmcc> | Here are the results of a whois search on that IP address... 64.29.183.31 | | OrgName: Core Technology Services, Inc. | OrgID: CTS-96 Š| Address: 75 Broad Street | Address: Suite 1902 | City: New York | StateProv: NY | PostalCode: 10004 | Country: US | NetRange: 64.29.176.0 - 64.29.191.255 | CIDR: 64.29.176.0/20 | NetName: CORETECHSERV | NetHandle: NET-64-29-176-0-1 | Parent: NET-64-0-0-0-0 | NetType: Direct Assignment | NameServer: HERMES.CORETRANSNATIONAL.COM | NameServer: PROMETHEUS.CORETRANSNATIONAL.COM | NameServer: ARIES.CORETRANSNATIONAL.COM | Comment: | RegDate: 2002-02-15 | Updated: 2005-06-30 | RTechHandle: EBL-ARIN | RTechName: Levitt, Erik | RTechPhone: +1-212-725-2748 | RTechEmail: eblevitt@coreserv.com | OrgTechHandle: EBL-ARIN | OrgTechName: Levitt, Erik | OrgTechPhone: +1-212-725-2748 | OrgTechEmail: eblevitt@coreserv.com | | | ============================================================================ | | 574) Mon, Jun 19, 2006 - 7:22:53 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | And here's the web address of the company in question.... | http://platformexperts.com/ | | | ============================================================================ | | 575) Mon, Jun 19, 2006 - 10:35:41 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Thanks, I thought that was it too...but...when I | used that as the address, the Mail Daemon returned my mail with | the message: "Sorry, I couldn't find any host named ad.platformexperts. | com (#5.1.2) | | | ============================================================================ | | 576) Mon, Jun 19, 2006 - 11:19:29 pm | | Eric> | That header was on an email sent me as an answer to an email I Š| sent them from a customer service box on a webpage. This is connected | to that bill I received months ago from ITP. I had no idea who ITP | was and I ask here if you guys did and no one did. It turns out that | ITP bought out CallingCard.com which I use for long distance but | not very much. I would go to their webpage and prepay for a block | of time with my credit card. There were no other fees. Well here's | the email I'm trying to return to them: | | Date: 19 Jun 2006 23:27:28 -0000 | | Dear ITP Spokesperson, | I can find no notification that any monthly | payment was going to be extracted from my | credit card on a monthly basis in any of the emails | I received last fall from CALLINGCARD.COM | concerning the ITP purchase of CALLINGCARD.COM . | I saved all such emails that I received. I definitely | did not receive any notification by USPS or any | other means either. Also, none of your emails | I have received nor the hardcopy bill I just received | from you by USPS mentioned that the charges you | were billing me for pertained to my CALLINGCARD.COM | account. I visited CALLINGCARD.COM infrequently | and I had no idea who ITP was and neither did any | of the friends I asked. | I never gave CALLINGCARD.COM or ITP any | permission to make a monthly charge on my | credit card account until today, 06/19/06, @ 13:27 EDT. | CALLINGCARD.COM only had permission to | charge my credit card if I requested personally | for a recharge of my callingcard. | The reason that you didn't get paid from my credit | card is because someone in your organization made | a keypunch error and entered the wrong experation | date for my credit card. I'm glad the error occurred | or it would have been longer before I noticed your | monthly charges. | Your employee Gregory Francis at customer | service was quite helpful and straightened out the | confusion when I was finally able to reach a person | instead of an automated message. | Your webpage asks us, your customers, to | recommend your service to our friends. Well, unless | future communication from ITP is improved I will find | it very hard to promote ITP to friends and acquaintances. | I used to mention CALLINGCARD.COM frequently to my | friends. | Attached please find the two notices that I received | last fall from CALLINGCARD.COM concerning your | purchase of the company. Please notice that there is | no notice of monthly charges. There is profuse verbiage | stating that nothing will change. | | Sincerely yours, | Š| Eric S. Emerson | | ============================================================================ | | 577) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 11:52:32 am | | Eric> | Have the rest of you been getting email from the coollist(A4DOS list). | I just got one sent by Wiz which is discussing redirection to | roura.bat or roura.log. It is my first from coollist since maybe | a week or more it seems. I know Ray said he sent something | to the coollist several days ago that I know I never received. | | | ============================================================================ | | 578) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 4:00:20 pm | | Jake> | Yep, eight so far today. | | | ============================================================================ | | 579) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 4:08:33 pm | | Eric> | Hi Jake, Thanks, I guess coollist has probably got something | screwed up again, based on past experience. I was wondering why | the list seemed so quiet. I only received the one today | sent in by Wiz. <:-( And that was the first in a long time. | The freelist emails seem to arrive in my inbox just fine. | | ============================================================================ | | 580) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 5:12:38 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Sorry taking so long to answer, been away. You did the right thing | modifying arachne.bat as you did, that should be standard, I'll fix | it. As to ppp.log, you ask a good question -- no it is by no means | necessary to anything however the stock core uses it's existance | as the confirmation that lsppp or epppd has sucessfully loaded via: | | lsppp.com > ppp.log | | in other words, ppp.log should be created if the packet driver loads | sucessfully so testing for its existance is a more or less OK method | for testing for a conenction, tho indirect. However, the method is | rife with little problems. My method is direct -- it tests for a packet | driver itself. However the timestamp of ppp.log is still used as the | start time of the online timer. This too could be changed I suppose but | the method seems OK. Š| | As to more anoying beeps, tell me more about this, note my | SafeOpen() is probably still being used in places where it should not | be and you've probably found one of them ;-) Tell me how to | duplicate an example and I'll cut the SafeOpen back to a normal | open so it doesn't beep. This thing might just be relegated to the | 'debugging core' that I plan to make if it caused any trouble so | let's see how it goes. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 581) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 3:48:08 am | | Eric> | Ray, Re: #580 - Annoying beeps - I don't know which annoying | beeps you are now referring to...Your setup beeps frequently | but it seems for different causes/reasons. As I said above | in #570, The response I get to removal of cache items is | the most annoying right now. It's not the beep that's most | annoying, it's the time delay caused by persistant attempts | to load removed items instead of just loading the page without | the images like it used to do. | | | ============================================================================ | | 582) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 4:06:10 am | | Eric> | Ray, If you are going to keep changing things, then you | need to make and maintain a setup program for your core. | You have changed, added, made more complex (eg. arachne.bat) | too many things. Don't answer me back with excuses as you | always do because I don't agree with your excuses. You just | don't want to do it, I know! | | ============================================================================ | | 583) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 8:42:27 am | | ray> | Mornin' Eric, | | Any beep that bothers should be on the block and only reprieved if | it serves a genuine purpose. Unfortunately DOS only has two | easily accessble 'beeps' and I use the long, loud one for errors and | code traces that I want to know about right away. The short quiet | beep must serve for all other beepable situations and there are | dozens of those but I probably have too many. This cache thing | please give me more information. | | ============================================================================ Š| | 584) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 8:49:42 am | | ray> | How do you remove items from the cache? via history? via command line? | How? Then, specificaly what do you do to get the beep? My 'SafeOpen' | has a built in delay so you can see on the status line the name of | the file that can't be opened, so that's probably the delay you are | getting. I want to duplicate this so I can see what's happening but | I don't have enough information. | | Oh as to 'setup' I think I'm finaly near ready to fork my cores | into a stable edition and an experimental edition. Once there *is* | a stable edition, then indeed a proper setup, or even an entire | new distribution is in order. Why print the menus before the | chef has even figured out what he wants to cook? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 585) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 11:58:06 am | | glennmcc> | The problem is that the chef has been | cooking and cooking and cooking, | and serving and serving and serving, | and having the diners eat and eat and eat, | all without benefit of a menu. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 586) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 12:21:29 pm | | ray> | That is quite true! But the time nears when a bit of stability is | in order ;-) | | BTW it seems the trouble I was having with dirdgi rattles back to | and extra space added by the code for processing '$k'. BTW2 why do | you limit to one use of $k? I cut the guard and it seems ok to | call as many keywords as you want via $k. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 587) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 12:29:14 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I told you not to do it but you did it anyway...of course.... | I knew you would ...You just gave me the same old excuse | but...I'm not going to repeat the obvious again...I am going to Š| say that I think it is rude to suggest to someone that is | having trouble with Arachne such as on the List, that they | should try your core when you don't have any kind of installation | program for it. If someone is having problems already then | they sure don't need the difficulties of installing your core | added to the problems they already are experiencing. | | Re: Menus - your hap-hazard method for dispensing your core | right now is like feeding people a meal with no menu and | then after they have eaten, You ask them "How did you like | the peanuts in the baked beans and the salad." The people | allergic to peanuts are sure to tell you exactly how much | they like it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 588) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 12:43:20 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Re: Deleting Cache items - I ALT-E and goto the cache | (d:\arachne\cache), then I use CLI: del *.gif or I use a utility | to delete selected items eg. wash *.htm or pictview to delete | selected jpgs. Then I return to Arachne with CLI: exit . | As the page I was deleting the files from then tries to load, it | balks at every picture file I have deleted. That is new. It hasn't | ever happened in the 9-10 yrs that I have been using Arachne. | | ============================================================================ | | 589) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 5:20:56 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Right, just tried that and it is a bit of a nuisance isn't it? | A bit unusual tho, so I'm wondering what the best responce is, I | can: | | -use a keyword to disable SafeOpen() -- so that you don't get | a beep or a message when a file isn't found. | | -just disable it in your personal build | | -disable checking in the cache | | What do you think? I figure I should use a keyword 'UseSafeOpen Y/N' | defaulting to YES and then you can just turn it off entirely. | | As to the rest, I don't get it man, I tell you that the time has come | to do just as you suggest but even then you ain't happy. When I have | a stable core I'll have a stable instalation, can't have the latter | before the former exists, seems to me. | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 590) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 7:39:05 pm | | glennmcc> | Do you mean to tell us that you can't figure-out a way to...... | | 'stably install' an 'unstable core' ??? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 591) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 7:53:02 pm | | ray> | That's it. Can't lay the carpet before the subfloor is even | down. But I do long for something stable, so I'm laying off | until '7m' is more or less completely debugged. Two years of | constant change with no truely stable islands is a wee bit | much . | | So what about that '$k' restriction? That is a powerful addition | to mime but why on earth limit it to one call per line? Mind I see | that as far as it is used there is no need for more at present but | that's no reason to *force* the one call limit. | | | ============================================================================ | | 592) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 7:58:52 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I just had a complete meltdown. Here is what I did: | 1. Pressed ALT-D to dial...changed my mind... | 2. Pressed ESC to abort dial...Abort PPP page loaded... | 3. Arachne locked up...keyboard dead... | 4. Pressed RESET and rebooted | | Using Erichne 1.90:B7:7m | | ============================================================================ | | 593) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 8:04:27 pm | | Eric> | Damn it Ray, You've got your mind in a deep dark groove !!! | Stability has nothing to do with it !!! ... If you are going | to have others use you stuff, stable or not, you have to make | it reasonably easy to install it...It's only common courtesy!!! | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 594) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 8:07:47 pm | | Eric> | Ray, As a matter of fact...the more unstable your stuff is | then the more important the installation program becomes... | CHEW on that!!! | | ============================================================================ | | 595) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 8:12:08 pm | | Eric> | Re: UseSafeOpen Y/N | Ray, I vote for it and default should be NO. It should be a | debugging tool only if it is useful for that. | | ============================================================================ | | 596) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 8:40:59 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, How's the weather down your way? Is it missing you? | We're still looking for tornados up here and watching lots of | lightning and rain. | | | ============================================================================ | | 597) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 8:45:12 pm | | glennmcc> | Small amount of rain here... no bad storms near me. :) | | ============================================================================ | | 598) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 9:09:56 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Good, the really bad stuff must be passing | between us. | | ============================================================================ | | 599) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 9:30:20 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | re: 592, Roger that, I've already caught it, fix in next core. | re: 595, OK, that's what I'll do. | re: The rest, I guess we just can't connect on this subject my friend, | can we agree to just not understand each other? After you and | Vladimir and Bastiaan have dubugged this then I promise to leave it alone, | let it stabilize and then I will do whatever is needed to make you | happy vis. installing it. Honest. Once it stops changing that should Š| be doable and will be done. Promise. ;-) | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 600) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 10:01:36 pm | | glennmcc> | Promises.... promises. | | Now he sounds like a politician. | | "If I am elected, I promise to......." | | | | ============================================================================ | | 601) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 8:31:07 am | | Eric> | Ray, Gregy's last link, post#73 on Misc. board, locked up Arachne. | Thank goodness for CTRL-ALT-ESC. Some GIF did it. Error: Not | sufficient memory for this gif. Isn't there some way to stop | GIFs from causing a lockup. The page was mostly blank for me | until I pressed INSERT to download images then lockup. | | ============================================================================ | | 602) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 9:03:27 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Hmmm, it should show the error message, wait a few seconds and then | continue. If it hangs, that's bad news. I'd increase | | xms4allgifskb to avoid the message but I'll choke my setting down | until I get the error and see what happens. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 603) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 9:17:09 am | | ray> | ... Well that sux. with 'xms4allgifskb 1000' all is well. | With '500' it behaves properly -- one beep, one error message, a | 4 second pause and then the page loads ok although the one gif won't | animate. But with '200' it gives multiple beeps, messages and | pauses and then hangs with a font file error! So, it looks like Š| I can handle one gif error only without a hang. Anyway if you can | spare 1000K of XMS please set the keyword to that and there should | be no trouble. | | | ============================================================================ | | 604) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 12:53:44 pm | | ray> | Seems it's not the number of beeps. If I use '201' it beeps 8 times | but the page then loads, so it looks like there is a lower limit | of 200 tho I have no idea why. | | | ============================================================================ | | 605) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 12:55:10 pm | | Eric> | Ray, My XMS4allGIFsKB is 2048. | | | ============================================================================ | | 606) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 12:58:33 pm | | Eric> | Ray, What is this beeping you get? I got no beeps. | | ============================================================================ | | 607) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 1:19:36 pm | | ray> | No beeps while the error message shows? Strange, there is a beep | command in there. BTW 1.90 hangs just as rudely if you set: | | xms4allgifs 200 | | so it looks like this 200 limit is not something I did. However, if | you set the keyword to 2048 we have a real mystery. Please check | your config.log and confirm that setting, maybe something is | amiss in your .cfg. | | | ============================================================================ | | 608) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 1:21:51 pm | | ray> | I just tried 2048 and it's fine. | | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 609) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 2:01:30 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Arachne was all disconbobblled just now. Showed connected but | would not load anything. I checked phone and line was still there. | Even Alt-H didn't hang up line with HU.bat. I hung up the line and Alt-X | from Arachne. | I restarted Arachne and reconnected. Now, since the gifs are still | in the cache, Arachne seems to behave as you describe. It still says | it can't animate the gif and then it beeps as it loads the page. It | does not lockup like it did the first time. | And I did check my XMS4allGIFsKB is 2048 in arachne.cfg | | ============================================================================ | | 610) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 3:07:27 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I went and deleted my whole cache and headers and then went | back to Gregy's link page. Now it still tries to load every gif | I deleted and beeps for everyone. There are about 50 gifs so you | guess how many minutes it takes to load the page. It does the same | thing with every page-up or page-down. What a PITA. | | ============================================================================ | | 611) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 3:28:42 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I just was searching for where the index that is trying to | load those deleted gifs is stored so I was shelled out of Arachne | and went to d:\tmp to look. Only roura and mail stuff was found there | so I entered EXIT. I don't usually do this, I usually return to | arachne main dir before exiting a shell. I got an error message | that CORE could not be found and Arachne aborted. I don't remember this | happening for years now. | | | ============================================================================ | | 612) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 3:41:03 pm | | Eric> | Ray, As long as I am in an arachne directory there is no problem | returning from shell. However, from D:\, C;\, D:\TMP\, Arachne aborts... | can't find core. From D:\arachne\system\, D:\arachne\cache\, there | is no problem. | | ============================================================================ | | 613) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 4:12:05 pm | | Eric> Š| Ray, Return from shell in d:\arachne\system\gui\ caused abort | due to failure to find CORE. | | ============================================================================ | | 614) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 4:52:02 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Please check config.log not arachne.cfg for that value, the .log | is much less likely to mislead. | | Interesting that connection headaches should result in the core | beeping like it should loading .gifs anyway, that's what it should | do. If you can confirm your .log shows 2048 for xms... then | that is some bug for sure. | | As to not finding core, you must indeed return to the Arachne main | dir before restarting and I think that's true with all cores: | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 615) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 4:52:50 pm | | Eric> | Ray, What is this $HANG$=exit in the environment? | | ============================================================================ | | 616) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 4:54:11 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I did check the config.log...It is confirmed! | | ============================================================================ | | 617) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 4:57:29 pm | | ray> | ... | | as we see in arachne.bat: | | | if not exist core.exe goto noexe | if not exist arachne.cfg goto noarachnecfg | if not exist arachne.pck goto setup | | ... so the .bat must find core.exe in the main dir or she goes to | error. Š| | $hang$ you say? Look for it in my .bat, it's a rather ugly way | of handling my implementation of 'exitonhangup' I had somehow | omitted that from my cores untill just recently, but with the | external hangup, I've gotta distinguish between a hangup and return | to arachne and a hangup and quit, so that variable handles the | difference. Got a better idea? I don't like what I've done one bit, | a rotten hack. | | | ============================================================================ | | 618) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:03:30 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Returning to main dir before returning from shell has not been | required for a long time AFAIK. It was years ago but it was fixed. | I usually do 'cause I'm cautious, but sometimes I forget and I have | not been aborted for return from shell for years. I can't/don't ever | run Arachne without shelling. I do it without thinking. It's a reflex | reaction. | | ============================================================================ | | 619) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:04:38 pm | | ray> | Well nuts, if it's 2048 in the .log and you get beeps ... hey | waitaminute you said about 50 gifs?? When I go to that URL in msg. | 73 I get a max of 8 beeps with '201' and then the page loads. | But, 2048 should be enought for anyone so what's wrong? Please try | increasing it and maybe even decreasing it to see what happens. | I had no trouble with '1000' so try that. Are you perhaps asking for | more XMS than you should? ... na, it would warn you if that was | the case. Play with the setting and let me know if it changes | anything. BTW if we can't figure this out it is of course easy to | make that a user option to: 'WarnGifLow Y/N' ... but I think it's | probably fixable. | | | ============================================================================ | | 620) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:07:51 pm | | Eric> | Ray, That's how YOUR arachne.bat is doing it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 621) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:09:06 pm | | ray> | Right. I shelled, changed dirs, 'exit' and ... error. | With 1.90 it works fine, I'm automaticaly returned to the Š| main dir for wherever I happen to be. Let me just look into that. | | | ============================================================================ | | 622) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:10:09 pm | | ray> | Of course MY arachne.bat ... who else's? | | | ============================================================================ | | 623) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:10:47 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I can't play around with it ... I thought I explained that... | not when it takes so long to load the page. | | | ============================================================================ | | 624) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:16:20 pm | | Eric> | Ray, This gif thing has been a problem for a long time. Why if | the gif is too large doesn't Arachne just ignore it? Other | programs do. | | ============================================================================ | | 625) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:22:24 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | Why are you screwing with manually setting XMS4All at only 200 kb ??? | | Here's what we gots on opt_misc.ah ............ | | |================================================| | |XMS for Animated GIFs and fonts | | | disabled max. 64 KB for one | | | 256 KB for all max. 128 KB for one | | | 1 MB for all max. 256 KB for one | | | 2 MB for all max. 512 KB for one | | | 4 MB for all max. 1 MB for one | | | 15 MB for all max. 15 MB for one | | | 30 MB for all max. 30 MB for one | | | Disable caching of fonts in XMS | | |Note: Animated GIFs require XMS memory manager | | |and 256 color or HiColor mode | | |================================================| | | Š| If you would simply use the setup pages as they are intended, | you would stop having a-lot of these problems. | | ============================================================================ | | 626) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:23:07 pm | | ray> | Aw come on Eric, be a sport, let's figure this out. Can't you change | your .cfg one time to '1000' and restart and try it? I wan't to know | what is going on here. | | As to why we can't just ignore gifs when needed, that's probably | a very good idea but the code for this stuff is very complecated. | If we can't figure this out with settings then I should probably | take a look, but it's heavy stuff. | | Mind, I should send a core with the recent fixes and there's no | reason not to disable that message, even temporarily, to avoid the | bother. | | | ============================================================================ | | 627) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:27:34 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | The 'problem' was deliberate. I just wanted to confirm that this | 200K hang wasn't my doing by confirming that it exists in the stock | core too, that's the first step I take with any bug. I know that | we shouldn't go below 256 but somehow Eric's copy is behaving | like it has < 200K for gifs even though it seems that that is not | the case. Question now is why is Eric's behaving like that. I'm | guessing there is some sort of range error. | | | ============================================================================ | | 628) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:29:00 pm | | glennmcc> | In addition... why are screwing around with all of these PITA warnings. | | If there is not enough memory for a particular ainamated GIF... it | simply does not animate. | | The average user couldn't care less that there ain't enough memory | for a particular animated GIF. | | And they sure as hell do not want a whole bunch of friggin' beeps | going off in thier ears because of your stupid warnings. | | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 629) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:31:02 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | re:"... Why if the gif is too large doesn't Arachne just ignore it?" | | Arachne always used to ignore it... it's RAY whom has decided _not_ to. | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 630) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:33:08 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I just counted over 125 beeps before I cracked up and started | beating the floor. I CTRL-ALT-ESC and restarted Arachne. | | ============================================================================ | | 631) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:33:40 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | What happens with huge sucker ? | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/images/lifestyl.gif | | | ============================================================================ | | 632) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:35:59 pm | | ray> | Sure. I am fond of warnings, when something doesn't work I want to know | about it, not have Arachne ignore it, but obviously things can get | out of hand as they have here. As I said a while back, this warning | can be made optional, it can be limited to one beep per page, or it | can simply be scrapped if it crys Wolf too often. No need for | pitchforks and torches, some ideas pan out and some don't. | | Off to dinner. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 633) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:36:26 pm | Š| glennmcc> | Set to 30 megs via opt_misc.ah ............ | | | 30 MB for all max. 30 MB for one | | | XMS4allGIFs 30720 | XMS4oneGIF 30720 | | | ============================================================================ | | 634) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 6:23:24 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Reacts the same ... not enough memory. I get a little | baby sitting in upper left corner of my page. | | ============================================================================ | | 635) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 6:45:16 pm | | Eric> | Ray, This is most frustrating...I have erased the cache, the pck file, | and exited and started Arachne many times now and When I click that | darn link on Gregy's board Arachne still keeps looking for those darn | gifs and beeping. I have images shut off and I haven't touched INSERT | since the first time. I'm done ! | | | ============================================================================ | | 636) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 7:21:08 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray.......... | | --- from code dated Aug 17, 2005 ---- | find /n "*= 1024" *.c/p | | ---------- e:config.c | [370] sUI.mindiskspacekb *= 1024L; | | ---------- e:initgif.c | [44] sUI.xms4allgifskb *= 1024L; // Here NOT in config.c due to alloc_xme | | _____________________________________ | | --- from B7 code --- | find /n "*= 1024" *.c/p | | ---------- e:config.c | [481]//±3m: UI.mindiskspacekb *= 1024L; | | ______________________ | Š| | So...... where in B7 are you converting from KB to bytes ????? | | | ============================================================================ | | 637) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 7:22:39 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | Just-for-the-hell-of-it ...... | | Xms4AllKB 30000000 | | (30million bytes) | | Now what happens with this one ? | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/images/lifestyl.gif | | ============================================================================ | | 638) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 7:24:25 pm | | glennmcc> | Oh ... and that will only work _if_ you _do_ have 30mb XMS available. | | Please refresh _my_ memory ... how much XMS memory do you have avalable ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 639) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 7:26:32 pm | | glennmcc> | Oops... make that | | Xms4AllGifsKB 30000000 | | ============================================================================ | | 640) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 7:46:09 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | If that still does not work... swap-in Ray's core from Aug 17, 2005 | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/050817.zip | | ============================================================================ | | 641) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 7:54:35 pm | Š| glennmcc> | Just now tested. | | B7 is working fine here with this setting....... | | XMS4allGIFsKB 30720 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 642) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 8:12:59 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | How do we make a 'full-screen' screen capture with your core ? | | The printscreen key don't do it no more :( | | ============================================================================ | | 643) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 8:38:52 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I only have 24MB of RAM in my computer. | | ============================================================================ | | 644) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 8:41:23 pm | | glennmcc> | Well then... that one ain't gonna animate for you no matter what you do. | | It rquires no less than 28 megs to get it to animate. | | | ============================================================================ | | 645) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 8:47:23 pm | | glennmcc> | A little more testing gets it to animate at.... | | Xms4AllGifsKB 23000 | | 22000 and it don't animate. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 646) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 8:50:44 pm | | Eric> Š| With 190JG Gregy's link loads just fine. Most of the page is blank | but it has no trouble with GIFs. | | ============================================================================ | | 647) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 8:52:40 pm | | Eric> | Of course, I'm getting no animation....am I supposed to? | | | ============================================================================ | | 648) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 9:07:39 pm | | Eric> | I can see some animation...the water thing changes....I can't find | the ad for the WMD book on the page. I hate this type of page... | so darn wide and big that one has to work hard to find anything. | In my opinion, a stupid way to make a webpage. | | ============================================================================ | | 649) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 9:08:10 pm | | ray> | Lesse now where are we? ... | | Glenn, ^P is page export, ^S is screen export. | | Very sharp the way you zoom right in on a possible culprit -- the | KB > byte conversion. As you can see, I had a bit of trouble with | that but at the moment the conversion to bytes is made inside the | gif module what's it? mdrawgif.c? Just search for 'UI.xms4allgifskg'. | But, as I read your experiments, it is clear that the units are | right ... right? ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 650) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 9:11:29 pm | | ray> | Let me just fire up the 486 and see how that works. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 651) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 9:24:30 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Thanks for the Coollist subscribe link. It just returned | a message that said I am already subscribed. I assume since you | replied that my test message went out over the list even though Š| I never got it returned to me by the list, eh? | | ============================================================================ | | 652) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 9:28:55 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep... since you got the message saying that you are already subscribed.... | everthing's fine on the coollist end. | | Looks like you might be having some trouble at your ISP | | Betcha JUNO is sending them to the bit-bucket as spam. | | ============================================================================ | | 653) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 9:33:17 pm | | glennmcc> | There it is... move it to hdrawgif.c | | | ---------- e:hdrawgif.c | [79] if((FreeAnim + SizeXms) >= UI.xms4allgifskb * 1024) //±3m: | [173] if((FreeAnim + SizeXms) >= UI.xms4allgifskb * 1024) //±3m: | [537] if((FreeAnim + SizeXms) < UI.xms4allgifskb * 1024) //±3m: | | | Query: | | What the hell are all those stange characters I keep finding in your | comments ? | | Like those at the end of each of those lines ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 654) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 9:36:13 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I looked in the bucket that they have on my web access | for spam and it was empty. | | ============================================================================ | | 655) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 9:36:15 pm | | glennmcc> | And this one from init.c | | //±6z: simplified, two buffers always used | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 656) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 9:39:18 pm | | glennmcc> | Since your messages to the list are going out to all of us. | | This indicates to me that JUNO is dumping yours right into the bit-bucket | and not the spam-can. | | spam-can == retrievable | | bit-bucket == non-retrievable | | | ============================================================================ | | 657) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 9:44:41 pm | | glennmcc> | Gonna try a test. | | I'll send an email to you and make it look like it cane from coollist. | (CCed to my own address of-course) | | If I get it but you don't... | that will confirm that JUNO is in-fact blocking collist. | | BRB | | | | ============================================================================ | | 658) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 9:52:24 pm | | glennmcc> | Got mine...... did you get yours ? | | ============================================================================ | | 659) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 9:58:51 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, The only email I got was the one with the subscribe link | so far... | | | ============================================================================ | | 660) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 10:18:10 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | I use several wigits and such in my comments to indicate when something Š| was done and what it's 'status' is. Basicaly: | | //3m: .... This was done just after build 3m. i.e. to undo it, look | at build 3m. | | //[character # 177]3m: As above but this change is downstream of the | last major code release. | | //[character #222] Keep an eye on this! | | //. Temporary, not written up, might be kept, might not. | | Because I make changes hundreds of times more voluminously than | you, I need these sophisticated methods to give me any hope | of figuring out what I've done. When I have to backtrace some | bug, once I've isolated the build in question I then start hunting | for changes using these wigets to home in on things as required. | | | ============================================================================ | | 661) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 10:19:37 pm | | ray> | ... and so far it's worked ok, I always find my bugs eventualy, tho the | older they are the harder it gets. | | | ============================================================================ | | 662) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 10:21:06 pm | | ray> | G'nite gentlemen. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 663) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 10:35:40 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I received an email from you. The message is "Coollist | test". | | ============================================================================ | | 664) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 10:39:22 pm | | Eric> | G'nite Ray. | | ============================================================================ | | 665) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 11:46:59 pm Š| | glennmcc> | //±6z: simplified, two buffers always used | __^<--that's the strange character I'm talking about... not the 6z | | | ============================================================================ | | 666) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 11:48:23 pm | | glennmcc> | What the heck is wrong with just dateing the changes ? | | ============================================================================ | | 667) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 11:49:00 pm | | glennmcc> | //!!glennmcc: Jun 23, 2006 | | ============================================================================ | | 668) Fri, Jun 23, 2006 - 12:00:00 am | | glennmcc> | Now let's see what happens. | | 220 smtp102.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com ESMTP | EHLO sbcglobal.net | 250-smtp102.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com | 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN XYMCOOKIE | 250-PIPELINING | 250 8BITMIME | AUTH LOGIN | 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6 | Z2xlbm5tY2NAc2JjZ2xvYmFsLm5ldA== | 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6 | ************ | 235 ok, go ahead (#2.0.0) | MAIL FROM: | 250 ok | RCPT TO: | 250 ok | RCPT TO: | 250 ok | DATA | 354 go ahead | Return-path: glennmcc=cisnet.com@bounce.coollist.com | To: "Eric S. Emerson" | Reply-To: glennmcc@cisnet.com | From: glennmcc@cisnet.com | Subject: coollist test...... | CC: glennmcc@cisnet.com | Precedence: list | Mailing-List: arachne4dos@coollist.com Š| X-Coollist-User: glennmcc@cisnet.com | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain | | Test message. | | -- | Glenn | http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ | http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html | . | 250 ok 1151042246 qp 91385 | QUIT | | | | ============================================================================ | | 669) Fri, Jun 23, 2006 - 12:02:08 am | | glennmcc> | Got mine.......... | | Return-path: | Received: from nevermore.outofoptions.com (unverified [70.230.53.13]) by mai | (Vircom SMTPRS 4.5.186) with ESMTP id for | ; | Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:58:09 -0400 | Message-ID: | Received: from smtp102.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([68.142.229.103]) | by nevermore.outofoptions.com with smtp (Exim 4.60) | (envelope-from ) | id 1Fteg1-0000eL-UC | for glennmcc@cisnet.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:58:08 -0400 | Received: (qmail 91386 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 05:57:26 -0000 | Received: from unknown (HELO sbcglobal.net) (glennmcc@sbcglobal.net@75.24.36 | by smtp102.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 05:57:26 -0000 | To: "Eric S. Emerson" | Reply-To: glennmcc@cisnet.com | From: glennmcc@cisnet.com | Subject: coollist test...... | CC: glennmcc@cisnet.com | Precedence: list | Mailing-List: arachne4dos@coollist.com | X-Coollist-User: glennmcc@cisnet.com | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain | | Test message. | | -- | Glenn Š| http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ | http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html | | | ============================================================================ | | 670) Fri, Jun 23, 2006 - 8:38:02 am | | ray> | Glenn, | | I do it that way because it's a direct pointer to a build number, | which, as we have discussed, must be no more than two characters: | | main.c3m | main.c3n | main.c3o | ... | arachne.h3m | arachne.h3n | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 671) Fri, Jun 23, 2006 - 8:40:32 am | | ray> | Also, dates don't work well for me because sometimes a complex set of | changes might be smeared out over several days and involve many files | each of which has a different date stamp. But the build number | always points me to the correct set of files. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 672) Fri, Jun 23, 2006 - 8:45:06 am | | ray> | Oh, and '3m' is easier to write and takes up less space than '050607' | and you know what a compact-freak I am ... when I was a kid I used | to design submarines -- loved to get rid of all that wasted space | which I saw on 'voyage to the bottom of the sea' < gggg > | 'Das Boot' was my idea of a prudent yet generous use of space < GGG > | | | | ============================================================================ | | 673) Fri, Jun 23, 2006 - 8:54:01 am | | ray> | Eric, Š| | I'll send a core latter this morning with the changes so far. | And I'll disable the bloody gif messages for now, if that turns out | to be an ongoing issue I'll keyword it. Hell, I'll keyword it anyway, | it does no harm, so that's two new keywords in this core. | | | ============================================================================ | | 674) Fri, Jun 23, 2006 - 9:04:51 am | | ray> | Forgot: | | Eric, about exiting back to arachne when in a different directory, | the cause is my simplification of the internal handling of paths. | It's a big savings and so far it looks like this is the one | glitch, nuts. What it boils down to is that 'dosshell.bat' ends up | trying to 'cd' back to the MAD (main arachne directory) which with | the stock core is fully expanded but with mine is just '.\' -- so | she doesn't work if you've changed directories. For now, just | change back while I see if there's a work around or maybe I'll have | to restore the old method. Thing is that the expanded method | bites of a chunk of memory due to the fact that paths are used so | frequently inside core :( | | | | ============================================================================ | | 675) Fri, Jun 23, 2006 - 5:24:10 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Results of some speed tests with NIC/DSL | | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ArachneDevelopment/message/2345?l=1 | | | ============================================================================ | | 676) Fri, Jun 23, 2006 - 8:23:19 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I have the new 7o core installed. The return from shell | is still busted, just in case you think it is fixed. | | ============================================================================ | | 677) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 1:47:50 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Nope, fixing that will take a bit of thinking since I don't want Š| to restore the old method of using paths inside core.exe if I can | help it ... hey I just got an idea ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 678) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 2:28:53 pm | | glennmcc> | Look out Eric. | | Every time Ray gets an idea...... it means more headaches for you. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 679) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 3:06:12 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, You got that right !!! Ray's brain child==Eric's torment | | ============================================================================ | | 680) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 3:08:18 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I just clicked on TRASH button to delete an email and I got | "File creation error" and email still there in inbox. | | | ============================================================================ | | 681) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 3:20:07 pm | | Eric> | Ray's path manipulation may==Ray's core choking! | | ============================================================================ | | 682) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 4:35:07 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | No one ever said being an alpha tester was for the faint of heart, | the inflexible or those lacking patience :-) | | This thing with TRASH, I get that sometimes too and I've never been | able to figure it out. Let me know if it's just sporadic or if it | happens more often. Seems to me I used to get it with the stock core too | but it's so infrequent that it's hard to say. You can always just | DEL them of course. My quess is that it's some duplicate file name | trouble or something like that. Š| | As to the paths thing, theres an easy fix in 4DOS but I don't yet | know how I'd do the same thing in MSDOS -- | | Modified dosshell.bat: | | @echo off | pushd << SAVE THE CURENT DIRECTORY | set oldpmt=%prompt% | set prompt=You are still online$_Type EXIT to return to Arachne$_$p$g | if not exist ppp.log set prompt=Type EXIT to return to Arachne$_$p$g | if (%COMSPEC%)==() goto nocomspec | %COMSPEC% /E:1024 | goto end | :nocomspec | COMMAND.COM /E:1024 | :end | set prompt=%oldpmt% | set oldpmt= | popd << 'POP' THE SAVED DIRECTORY | quit << FOLLOWING LINES NOT NEEDED IF ABOVE IS USED | | %1 | cd %1system | cd .. | | So, how can one save a location in MSDOS so as to return to it | latter? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 683) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 4:47:55 pm | | ray> | If there is an easy answer that will sufice but otherwise I'll have | to restore the old method. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 684) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 7:46:41 pm | | glennmcc> | Guess what Ray. | | It's caused by problems with paths. | | As you might remember, we salved it in the older versions by specifying | the 'full path' to all of the various directories. | | c:\arachne\mail\ | c:\arachne\cache\ Š| c:\arachne\cache.idx | | etc....etc....etc... | | ============================================================================ | | 685) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 8:57:05 pm | | ray> | Hmmm, I do vaguely remember something like that but the details | elude me, please refresh. | | So far, this exit from shell problem is the first one I've come | across that won't swallow my simplified internal .exe path. | Hey, I didn't *expect* it would work but so far it has, except for | this. Find another paths problem with my core and I won't even try | to salvage the new system -- back goes the old method. BUT it's | too bad because there's a wad of memory involved and I think speed | is affected too. | | | ============================================================================ | | 686) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 10:08:54 pm | | glennmcc> | Find another problem, you say ? | | That's 2, in-faxt... it's probably several. | | It's more than likely that the pathing changes you made are what's | causing the problems Eric mentioned with all of these... | | exit from shell after CD | can't create idx when linking to trash | crash/lockup when linking to inbox, outbox, etc, etc, | | As a test, if the 'old method' can be re-enabled without much trouble, | have Eric try the same tests with old vs new. | | | ============================================================================ | | 687) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 10:23:02 pm | | ray> | No question about the first one. | Eric, have you had these other problems? I don't have any trouble | with idx or the other system paths ... hey, *that's* what you | were talking about. Sure the system paths in the .cfg should be | fully qualified, but I haven't touched that, all I've done is | have core search for its own files via ".\" instead of a qualified | path, but that has no effect on any path inside the .cfg. | | But resoring the old method won't be any trouble if it comes to that. Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 688) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 10:25:46 pm | | ray> | Remember, this is just an experiment that (appart from the shell thing) | seems to be working, I have no great emotional comitment to it, if it | isn't perfect (or very close to perfect) it goes, no tears. | | | ============================================================================ | | 689) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 1:36:22 pm | | Eric> | Ray, This 7o core setup still complains about files | deleted from the cache. If I delete graphic files from the | cache then when I return to that page it lists every file | that it's looking for at the bottom of the page and gives | a beep and a time delay. It sucks! | | | ============================================================================ | | 690) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 2:15:14 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Trash button when viewing email, at top of screen, gives | a file creation error every time, and file remains in inbox. | | ============================================================================ | | 691) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 2:57:08 pm | | glennmcc> | Do you have a 'trash folder' something like this ? | | c:\arachne\mail\trash | | | | ============================================================================ | | 692) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 3:44:53 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Nuts, I created the keyword 'UseSafeOpen' and then forgot to | actualy implement it <;-( Pardon, I just did that now. Let's see if | there's something else to change vis. this 'TRASH' thing, and I'll | resend. Glenn could be on the right track here, I have no problem with | TRASH and there have been no changes as to how it works so Š| first thing to check is the path/directory validity. | | | ============================================================================ | | 693) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 5:32:40 pm | | Eric> | Re: Trash ... I have d:\arachne\mail\trash\ with 2 zero byte | IDX files in it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 694) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 7:25:07 pm | | glennmcc> | Is d:\arachne your arachne_main directory ? | | Or are you running Arachne itself on some other drive | and placing mail on the D: drive ? | | ============================================================================ | | 695) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 7:36:59 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Delete them and see what happens. The .idx's are rebuild all the time | so it's no problem to kill them. | | Is 1.90 OK in the same situation? If so then it must be a bug of mine. | If you have them, do older cores of mine work? | | Needless to say you will have 'd:\arachne\mail\' as your mail path. | | | ============================================================================ | | 696) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 7:42:53 pm | | ray> | Oh, do the other buttons for handling mail work? They all use about | the same grammar in mime.cfg so if it's got something to do with | my simplified internal paths, then none of the buttons should work. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 697) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 7:43:28 pm | | glennmcc> | Aaahhh... another point. Š| | Does your mail path spec in arachne.cfg have the required | 'trailing backslash' ? | | ============================================================================ | | 698) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 7:44:37 pm | | glennmcc> | | Hi Ray | | | ============================================================================ | | 699) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 8:14:55 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, As I have stated many times before, I install | everything on RAM drive which is D:. | | Ray, 1.90JG has been working fine...no problems. | Your cores did not have this problem before. | | | ============================================================================ | | 700) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 8:17:57 pm | | Eric> | Guys, This was a working 1.90JG setup. I changed nothing | except switch to Ray's core and necessary files. | | ============================================================================ | | 701) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 8:19:23 pm | | glennmcc> | OK, that seems to confirm that the problem lies within | the changes Ray made to handling the paths. | | ============================================================================ | | 702) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 8:30:48 pm | | Eric> | As I have explained many times, I can not and don't use all | the mail functions because Juno will not work with them. | I get email, read it, trash it. I don't save it,move it, send it | etc. with Arachne. So, I can't totally check out all that | other stuff. It appears from my investigations that only | the TRASH button causes a file creation error. | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 703) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 8:38:25 pm | | ray> | Sheesh, if you can trash it you can move it, they are the same | opperation just to different directories. | | \trash | \someotherdirectory | | 'trash' == 'move' except that the move is always to the predictable | directory. | | Be a sport, create a 'mail\test\' directory then create a dummy | email then 'move' it to 'test'. If that fails Glenn is correct, it must | be my paths change in which case I'll restore the old method and | send it off to you. (with SafeOpen OFF! ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 704) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 8:54:01 pm | | ray> | Come to think of it why fart around? I just restored the old | method. Heck it's easier to just try it and see if it fixes the | problem that it is to make you jump through hoops trying to dignose | it (sometimes I need a smack on the side of the head ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 705) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 8:58:42 pm | | ray> | In the mail. Costs 200 bytes but so bloody what ;-) | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 706) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 9:28:07 pm | | ray> | Yeah, that fixes the 'exit' from Alt+E problem without further | trouble so the new method is on ice. | | | ============================================================================ | | 707) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 12:47:24 am | | Eric> Š| Arachne seems to be looking for a file delmail1.dgi | which it can't find...and...neither can I. Is that | a file that Arachne creates to deal with trash? | | ============================================================================ | | 708) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 1:08:58 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, Do you have any idea what I may be doing wrong | at Bluebottle.com ? ... I can't seem to get SMTP to work | with Arachne. | | | ============================================================================ | | 709) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 7:02:15 am | | ray> | Glenn, | | That last post, embarasing to admit, but I dont understand this | "bump" thing. Gregy has used that every now and then too and I thought | I'd figure it out from context but so far, no luck. So, gotta just | ask what it means ;-) | | Eric, | | With the core I just sent? Sounds like some trouble with mime.cfg, | that's where that 'file' (dgi) is found. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 710) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 8:38:29 am | | glennmcc> | We were both here at the same time so we bumped into each other. | | ============================================================================ | | 711) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 8:39:54 am | | glennmcc> | --- in mime.cfg --- | | ;Trash mail folder management: | ;people who don't like TRASH folder can copy delmail1.dgi as delmail2.dgi .. | file/delmail1.dgi >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -2 -q=$q -cache=$t>$2 | file/delmail2.dgi >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -d -q=$q -cache=$t>$2 | file/emptytrash.dgi >HTM|if exist $Mtrash\\*.mes del $Mtrash\\*.mes\n$einsig | ____________________________________________________________________________ | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 712) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 8:48:39 am | | Eric> | Ray, mime.cfg for "delmail1.dgi" looks the same as ever. | It sounds like probably a path thing. | | ============================================================================ | | 713) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 8:52:32 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, I found that but I'm not very good at interpreting | the mime.cfg. However, those lines have not changed. | | ============================================================================ | | 714) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 9:04:11 am | | Eric> | Ray, Yes, with core build71p.zip. File creation error... | can't find delmail1.dgi | | | ============================================================================ | | 715) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 9:33:31 am | | Eric> | Ray, With build71p.zip core the ALT-H is now disabled again | when OFFLINE. | | ============================================================================ | | 716) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 11:25:37 am | | Eric> | I switched back to 1.90JG core and arachne.bat but TRASH still | didn't work. So, I rebooted and reinstalled 1.90JG. Now TRASH | works. | | ============================================================================ | | 717) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 4:33:13 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Opps, that last code was it Arachne or Erichne? (The name is more than | just a joke, it reminds us that it's your personal build -- which | I might forget to enable ...). | | So this TRASH thing is a problem with both cores? That's good to | know 'cause it let's me off the hook as to it being some new bug Š| of mine. But it goes away after a reinstall eh? Glenn might have | some idea what's up there but I'm dry. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 718) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 4:34:50 pm | | ray> | Hmmm, but if I have it, when you install, then swap my core it doesn't | work and even if you restore the stock core it still don't work, but | if you reinstall again it's OK? | | | ============================================================================ | | 719) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 4:45:34 pm | | Eric> | Ray, That seems right...but...swaping your core is so complicated | now that there is a chance for all kinds of errors just from | swapping. | | ============================================================================ | | 720) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 4:48:26 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Are you able to do everything at Bluebottle with Arachne | or do you have to resort to another browser? I seem to be having | difficulty adding addresses to the permissions list. | | | ============================================================================ | | 721) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 4:59:47 pm | | glennmcc> | 5 will get you 10 that Eric did not empty his cache before trying the | first test in post 716. | | Therefore the failiar was actually an error message in the cache. | | Re-installing would have started with an empty cache. | | ============================================================================ | | 722) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:10:04 pm | URL | | ray> | Bbbut Eric, you already know how to swap cores with one command no? | How can you say this is difficult? What happened to your swapper.bat? | Š| ... and I won't take odds against Glenn when he's got a bug treed ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 723) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:17:45 pm | | Eric> | Re: #721 | glennmcc, That could be but then why would I get "File creation error" | in the upper left corner over laying the toolbar? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 724) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:20:05 pm | | Eric> | Ray, The core is dated 06/23/06 and at top of page in blue lettering | it says Erichne 1.90:B7:7o | | ============================================================================ | | 725) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:23:02 pm | | Eric> | TRASH is working now with Ray's core too. | | ============================================================================ | | 726) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:25:35 pm | | Eric> | Still can't get SMTP to work with Bluebottle. | | | ============================================================================ | | 727) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:28:48 pm | | ray> | But the ALT+H | | ============================================================================ | | 728) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:30:14 pm | | ray> | (sorry) ... still doesn't work? If it says Erichne then it should | attempt a hangup even if you are offline. | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 729) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:32:28 pm | | ray> | So what was the thing with trash? And, does it now work with the | previous core? (the one before going back to the standard path | method?) | | A Guinea mouse's work is never done ;-)))) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 730) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:32:52 pm | | glennmcc> | POP/IMAP Server (Incoming): mail.bluebottle.com | SMTP Server (Outgoing): mail.bluebottle.com | SMTP should be port 25, 26 or 587 | POP3 should be port 110, using SSL 995 | IMAP should be port 143, using SSL 993 | | Outgoing server requires username/password authentication. | Also make sure your username is 'username@bluebottle.com' not just 'username | | ============================================================================ | | 731) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:33:33 pm | | Eric> | Ray, It didn't work before and I don't want to hangup now so I | won't test it for a while. | | ============================================================================ | | 732) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:36:55 pm | | glennmcc> | Therefore, these are the settings needed in arachne.cfg | | [mail] | SMTPserver mail.bluebottle.com | POP3server mail.bluebottle.com | POP3username your_username | POP3password your_password | SendHELO Yes | UseAuthSMTP Yes | AuthSMTPusername your_username@bluebottle.com | AuthSMTPpassword your_password | | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 733) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:38:49 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, In the address box I get smtp://:25/ when I try to | send email I am using the full address as username. | POP3 work fine. | | ============================================================================ | | 734) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:45:12 pm | | glennmcc> | Just now sent one to your JUNO inbox. | | Port 25 did not work... had to switch to port 26 | | Options/Internet Settings/Use alternate port # for SMTP | | | | ============================================================================ | | 735) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:47:28 pm | | glennmcc> | Now at the bottom of my arachne.cfg ...... | | [auto-added] | SMTPport 26 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 736) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:49:05 pm | | glennmcc> | Oh... if JUNO askes if you want to send a return-receipt .. answer 'yes' ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 737) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:53:54 pm | | ray> | Hmmm, this port thing, did I leave that out of my core pending some | demonstration of its utility?? The above seems quite sufficient. | | | ============================================================================ | | 738) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:55:24 pm | | glennmcc> | Have not checked yours yet. | Š| BRB | | | ============================================================================ | | 739) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:57:59 pm | | glennmcc> | No problem ... you added both of 'em. | | | ---------- e:b7notes.txt | [157]* Added "SMTPport" and "POP3port" keywords (alternative SMTP | | ---------- e:urlstat.c | [409] Eif(PROTOCOL_IS ("smtp")) U->port = /*UI.smtpport ? UI.smtpport : | | | ---------- e:urlstat.c | [410] Eif(PROTOCOL_IS ("pop3")) U->port = /*UI.pop3port ? UI.pop3port : | | | ============================================================================ | | 740) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 5:59:57 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Thanks, I got your email test...Also, my SMTP now works | thanks to that last post of arachne.cfg info. I just added it | to my arachne.cfg and SMTP works. But, I still have to figure out | how to setup permissions on Bluebottle. | | ============================================================================ | | 741) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 6:00:31 pm | | glennmcc> | Or did you ? | | Part of it seems to be commented-out. | | | ============================================================================ | | 742) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 6:00:59 pm | | ray> | Yeah, it's in place but commented. But the keywords need to be | added. You know, if the ports used tend to be restricted to some | small set of 'standard' values, it would be easy to have her do | an automatic scan, in theory anyway. | | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 743) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 6:01:04 pm | | glennmcc> | Permissions ???? | | ============================================================================ | | 744) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 6:02:53 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, Ray, Ray...... | | "In Theory" is a "total fallacy". | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 745) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 6:06:44 pm | | glennmcc> | And as you see from bluebottle.... 26 is a new port that I had not heard | of as a possibility when I added the option. | | Use alternate port # for SMTP | (default is port #25) | (other possible values... 587, 465 ) | [or check with provider] | | | 587 and 465 were the only 2 other than 25 that I could find reference to. | | Now we see from the suppot pages at bluebottle.com that they also use 26 | | | ============================================================================ | | 746) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 6:08:11 pm | | glennmcc> | And since they have disabled 25 ... it now becomes a necesity to use the | new option of changing from 25 to 26. | | ============================================================================ | | 747) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 6:11:08 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | You've got mail. ;-) | | Port 587 also works. Š| | 220 fe1.bluebottle.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.6/8.13.6; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:09: | EHLO bluebottle.com | 250-fe1.bluebottle.com Hello adsl-75-24-44-22.dsl.yntwoh.sbcglobal.net [75.2 | 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES | 250-PIPELINING | 250-8BITMIME | 250-SIZE | 250-DSN | 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN | 250-STARTTLS | 250-DELIVERBY | 250 HELP | AUTH LOGIN | 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6 | Z2xlbm5tY2NAYmx1ZWJvdHRsZS5jb20= | 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6 | *********** | 235 2.0.0 OK Authenticated | MAIL FROM: | 250 2.1.0 ... Sender ok | RCPT TO: | 250 2.1.5 ... Recipient ok | DATA | 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself | From: "Glenn McCorkle" | Organization: Arachne Fan Club | Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:08:59 -0500 | X-Mailer: Arachne v1.91;UE11 | To: wildrice5@juno.com | Return-Receipt-To: glennmcc@cisnet.com | Disposition-Notification-To: glennmcc@cisnet.com | Subject: testing port 587 .... | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 | Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit | | testing port 587 .... | | | -- | Glenn | http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ | http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html | . | 250 2.0.0 k5R09kUH022398 Message accepted for delivery | QUIT | | | | ============================================================================ | | 748) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 6:11:34 pm | Š| Eric> | Bluebottle only accepts email to inbox if the incoming email is | from an address in the accepted permissions list...otherwise, the | email is dumped into a Pending bucket which is supposed to | add the address to the accepted list if one accepts the email. | It doesn't seem to work for me using Arachne. | | ============================================================================ | | 749) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 6:34:54 pm | | ray> | Well, that list doesn't look like any part of some standardized set | of possibilities. Anyway let me just enable that stuff ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 750) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 6:38:28 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I added SMTPport 26 to arachne.cfg byt Ray's core seems to | continue to use Port 25 | | | ============================================================================ | | 751) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 6:48:32 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep.... shew no worky in Ray's core. | | Hoewever.... post 749 seems to indicate that you should be | getting a new compile any timme now. ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 752) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 6:50:54 pm | | ray> | Yup, it's now active. | | | ============================================================================ | | 753) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 6:53:09 pm | | Eric> | Oh Boy, Just what I need....a new compile....wheeee! | | | ============================================================================ | | 754) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 6:54:12 pm | Š| glennmcc> | Worked OK here with Arachne. | | Loged-in to bluebottle webmail, open a message in my pending folder, | linked to 'Allow' and the message was moved to my inbox. | | ============================================================================ | | 755) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 7:05:17 pm | | glennmcc> | There we go... coollist is now in my allowed list. | | As is your address which was added automatically | when I sent messages to you via BlueBottle. | | Date Name Sender Method | 07:51:39 PM Coollist Subscri... nobody@coollist.... MANUAL | 06:43:11 PM wildrice5@juno.c... AUTOMATIC | 04/11/2006 ceo@bluebottle.c... VERIFIED | 02/17/2006 pfinlaw@epop3.co... VERIFIED | 02/17/2006 glennmcc@cisnet.... AUTOMATIC | 02/17/2006 Bluebottle Suppo... support@bluebott... AUTOMATIC | | ============================================================================ | | 756) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 8:01:12 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I don't think I could find the allow link. With images | turned off if may not be visible and the TAB key was misbehaving. | | | ============================================================================ | | 757) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 8:33:11 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Thanks, I found allow and got my messages out of | pending. | | ============================================================================ | | 758) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 8:59:31 pm | | glennmcc> | Kewl.... you're good to go then :) | | ============================================================================ | | 759) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 9:41:08 pm | | ray> | Eric, | Š| Please confirm the status of all our recent bugs and problems and | if it's cleared up I'll send with the new port keywords so you can | check 'em out. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 760) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 11:36:42 pm | | Eric> | Ray, All I can say is things seem to be working except for | the hangup which I will check out. So far no lockups or aborts. | Just be sure you remember to include all my options and I'll | check out the ports as best I can. | | ============================================================================ | | 761) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 11:47:30 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I spoke too soon....just had an xSwap error and an abort | to DOS while working on Gregy's MISC board. | | ============================================================================ | | 762) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 12:27:52 am | | Eric> | Ray, I think you screwed up on the compile of this core... | the hangup refusal when off line and the search for deleted | gifs in cache is back... I think something went wrong with | this Erichne compile. | | | ============================================================================ | | 763) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 12:41:11 am | | Eric> | Ray, Now ALT-H works when offline. I think when offline | condition is shown in LR corner but the Packet driver pointer | is still in memory then the ALT-H doesn't work. That condition | sometimes happens but don't ask me how. | | ============================================================================ | | 764) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 3:19:56 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | What? still complaining about lost cache items? Double check your | .log and see that "UseSafeOpen N". As to hangup, as my core is now, | it determines online/offline by checking the packet driver Š| directly and *that* should determine the message shown in the corner. | Mind this whole show is still experimental so there could be some | situation that I haven't thought of, keep an eye on it and see if | you can give me more specific information about it, then we'll | bag it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 765) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 3:39:13 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I just had some strange trouble using F2 on the MISC board too, it | wouldn't post, but went to the 'F2 page' instead of uploading | automaticaly. Strangely I can't make it happen again. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 766) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 4:57:43 pm | | glennmcc> | F2 will only submit this form if your cursor is a text entry field. | | ============================================================================ | | 767) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 5:00:16 pm | | glennmcc> | If you have moved the curso out of the textarea to say the 'show nn messages | select tag ... F2 will pop-up saveas.ah | | BRB | | ============================================================================ | | 768) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 5:04:16 pm | | glennmcc> | arachne_main\edithelp.htm | | | | Submit form / save file (*) | | | | Goto next input field (**) | | | (*) Multi-line windows only | (**) Submits form if in last (or only) single-line input field in form Š| | | | ============================================================================ | | 769) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 6:42:34 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Sorry, I no longer have your core installed, so I | can't check the congif.log. When I delete things from cache | and it continues to persist in looking for them, then | Arachne becomes unusable. I can't wait 10-15 min for a page | to load while it keeps searching for deleted gifs. | | | ============================================================================ | | 770) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 7:04:16 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | There is a very easy way around that. | | LoadImages No | | | | ============================================================================ | | 771) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 7:13:54 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I have load images NO, but Ray has done something | that ignores Loadimages No. He claims it has something to do | with his SafeOpen stuff. | | | ============================================================================ | | 772) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 7:18:22 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, If you once press INSERT to download images, Ray's | setup never stops looking for those images...even if you delete | the whole cache and cache\headers directories. And it pauses | for each file it looks for and beeps. | | ============================================================================ | | 773) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 7:23:59 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Have you noticed that you can't compose an e-mail | on Bluebottle.com via web because of JS. Š| | ============================================================================ | | 774) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 7:51:30 pm | | glennmcc> | Sure you can. | | Choose 'setup' | | Un-check this box..... | | _ Compose messages in a separate window? | | Save the changes and now the compose link won't be JavaShit no more. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 775) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 8:00:20 pm | | glennmcc> | Nevermind. | | That gets us to the compose screen itself.... but the form submit | functions are JavaShit :( | | ============================================================================ | | 776) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 8:01:54 pm | | glennmcc> | Luckily, BlueBottle SMTP and POP3 still do work OK with Arachne so we | don't really need their webmail 'features'. | | ============================================================================ | | 777) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 9:18:42 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I didn't change IgnoreImages at all, so if she whines she can't find | anything that must mean that the code searches for the image even | if it won't be loaded due to that keyword. Next time you start my | core, before you do anything please check the .log to see what the | hell is happening there, just start and quit imediately. If UseSafeOpen | is 'N' and it still beeps then something very strange is happening. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 778) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 9:22:16 pm Š| | ray> | Yup just deleted all my images from cache while ALT+X'ed, restarted and | the page loaded without any images but without complaining. | | ============================================================================ | | 779) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 10:31:40 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray... my man, | | Have a look at the 4th word in this line..... | | I didn't change IgnoreImages at all, so if she whines she can't find | | Now compare that to the 1st word in this line..... | | LoadImages No | | And to the 3rd word in this line...... | | that ignores Loadimages No. He claims it has something to do | | ______________________________________________________________ | | Do you see sumpin wrong ???? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 780) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 10:33:38 pm | | glennmcc> | 'LoadImages' and 'IgnoreImages' are 2 different keywords. | | Both are used in my compile. | | What's being used in yours ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 781) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 10:39:32 pm | | glennmcc> | --- in html.c --- | case TAG_IMG: // | //!!glennmcc: Dec 03, 2005 - optionally do not display any remote images | if(((!strncmpi(cache->URL,"http:",5) || !strncmpi(cache->URL,"ftp:",4)) & | configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"IgnoreImages",NULL)[0]=='Y')) | break; | //!!glennmcc: end | input_image=0; Š| process_input_image: | _________________ | | With 'IgnoreImages Yes' not even the empty [image] box will show. | | The entire tag is bypassed and ignored. | | ============================================================================ | | 782) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 10:41:51 pm | | glennmcc> | I added that otion so that we can view HUGE file lists with [image] | boxes beside each link like this one........ | | http://browser.arachne.cz/archive/ | | | | ============================================================================ | | 783) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 5:21:01 am | | Eric> | Ray, Don't ALT-X ... instead ALT-E ... then delete images | and see what happens. | | | ============================================================================ | | 784) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 5:47:19 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, I was experimenting with IgnoreImages using the | link you provided above. I set II Yes and downloaded a 200+ KB | directory listing...then I pressed INSERT and got "Verifying images" | on status line but nothing changed. I then changed II No and returned | to the Arachne Directory page...then I pressed INSERT and got a xSwap | error and then the Fatal Error page. This is with 1.90JG and with | LoadImages No. | | ============================================================================ | | 785) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 6:56:43 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Sorry, I meant ALT+E. Anyway, grab that info from the .log and | we'll know what's going on. | | Glenn, I misspoke, but the point is that I | haven't changed any of that, it should all be stock. Mind I don't think | that new keyword has been tested in my core tho it is active IIRC. | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 786) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 2:32:49 pm | | Eric> | Ray, You should have mail with config.log attached. | | | ============================================================================ | | 787) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 4:03:31 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Your email server just refused my email sent from | Bluebottle.com with the config.log attached. | | ============================================================================ | | 788) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 6:26:49 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I got it. My server didn't like it?? Hmmm, send me something else | as a test, maybe it didn't like the message or maybe this is some | bug? Let me just extract it and send it to myself and see what | happens ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 789) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 6:44:22 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Try using fully qualified paths instead of: | | CachePath CACHE\ | DownloadPath DOWNLOAD\ | MailPath MAIL\ | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 790) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 6:45:31 pm | | ray> | Well, I made that .log into an attachment and sent it to myself Ok, | maybe my server doesn't like Bluebottle? | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 791) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 6:55:17 pm | | Eric> | Ray, That's what I said I thought....Your e-mail provider | doesn't like Bluebottle and refused it. Why? | | ============================================================================ | | 792) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 7:04:20 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I'm not having any trouble with those paths the way they are. | How do you have those paths in your arachne.cfg? The only truely | identifiable path problem was with your core on return from ALT-E. | | | ============================================================================ | | 793) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 7:27:01 pm | | RAY> | ERIC, | | ONL ... online with your settings now, yup, those paths seem | fine, working here. As to Bluebottle, I have no clue, they do have | spam filtering tho, so maybe you looked suspisious to them, God | knows why. | | I clicked on the magnifying glass (arachne.cz) loaded the images, | ALT+E'ed, deleted them from the cache, exited and the page displayed | with no images but no complaints either, go figure. You know, I've | got to start keeping a proper log of what I've sent to whom, I know | build 7o didn't have that keyword activated but I sent you something | more recent that did have it. Could it be that I made a mistake, and | sent the wrong build? What is the size of core.exe? ... let's be | sure about this. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 794) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 7:29:02 pm | | RAY> | Better yet let me send the most recent, it has that stuff of Glenn's | enabled. | | | ============================================================================ | | 795) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 7:57:23 pm | Š| Eric> | Ray, This core came from build71p.zip unless some gremlin | has been screwing things up. | | | ============================================================================ | | 796) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 8:17:47 pm | | gremlin> | And you _know_ we just LOVE to screw with things. ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 797) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 8:18:58 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Gremlins at work...somehow 71p core wasn't installed... | I must have somehow got the buggy 7o core instead when I | did a reinstall. I can delete pics from cache and no longer | get beep and searching time delay. But you can send me the | most recent core anyway. | | ============================================================================ | | 798) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 8:21:58 pm | | Eric> | Ray, The confusion happened because 7o and 71p both show 1.90:B7:7o | in blue at top of page. | | | ============================================================================ | | 799) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 8:36:49 pm | | ray> | Damn those critters, why can't they find something nice to | ocupy their time? | | However that's a relief, but I've got to tie a knot in my dick or | something to remind myself to always update the !@#$%^ version | string before I send anything. Anyway, latest core just sent, | besides the activation of Glenn's 'SMTPport' and 'POP3port' theres | some rethinking of a function involving rouras, so watch out for | any trouble with anything in mime.cfg. BTW Vladimir likes the | simplifed internal path string and he found a way to make | command.com save the path so that the Alt+E, change dir, exit, | problem is solved. I'll stick with the older method for now tho. | | | ============================================================================ | | 800) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 8:39:13 pm | Š| ray> | Vladimir and Bastiaan report no bugs so she's close to stable ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 801) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 9:35:28 pm | | Eric> | Careful Ray, better stick with the "or something"...I read about | a guy who tried the former to enhance his memory...well...his wife | snuck a Viagra into his coffee and he's still trying to get untied. | He at least should have used a slip knot. | | | ============================================================================ | | 802) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 9:45:19 pm | | Eric> | Ray, glennmcc, I think these e-mail filters seem to just be | screwing up e-mail more and more and make it just that much | more unreliable. | | ============================================================================ | | 803) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 1:12:11 pm | | ray> | I guess it's always a tradeoff with filtering. So far this is the | only case where it appears that my ISP has blocked something and | even then we don't really know why, could be filtering, maybe not. | Could be similar to whatever it is that won't let me send to | the freelist from my ISP. BTW Eric, using your .cfg settings I | had one instance of something wierd happening when starting up -- | I got the cd-break' page for no reason that I could think of when | I was supposedly offline anyway. Hasen't happened since so I can't | trace it but it could be related to some of that strange stuff you've | noticed. | | | ============================================================================ | | 804) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 5:48:12 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Your e-mail provider refused to accept my email. We do | know why...reason #550. | | | ============================================================================ | | 805) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 6:35:29 pm | | glennmcc> Š| error 550 is 'user unknown'. | | Are you sure you sent it to the correct address ? | | ============================================================================ | | 806) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 7:33:06 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | updated index.htm at ........ http://rayandrews0.tripod.com/ | | | ============================================================================ | | 807) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 8:06:26 pm | | ray> | I just read Eric's refusal msg which he sent to me, IIRC it was | error 500 -- refused as spam. First time that I know of that this | has happened, I wonder why. Eric if you still have the original | regected message perhaps you could try resending it with another | core, or from another provider, maybe there was some issue there, | not the content per se. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 808) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 8:08:25 pm | | ray> | Glenn, that's what a download page *should* look like -- atractive but | no baloney. | | | ============================================================================ | | 809) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 8:23:21 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I assumed it was because it was sent from Bluebottle. | I did send it to you from my Juno mail and that's why you | got it. What I sent you today was the original message as returned | to Bluebottle. BTW, The spam error was #550, (not #500). | | ============================================================================ | | 810) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 8:50:03 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric.... I just read your email with the bounced on in it. | | The SPAM filter might have kicked it back to you because of the subject line | Š| Subject: Re: Config.log | | Some SPAMs and viruses going around these days have subject lones that | are very similar to that. | | | ============================================================================ | | 811) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 8:51:54 pm | | glennmcc> | ----- Transcript of session follows ----- | ...... while talking to mail.995.ca.: | >>> DATA | <<< 550 The client has decided not to accept messages they deem to be spam. | The scoring they have selected has deemed your messge as spam and will not | be accepted. | Please contact them another way if you believe they should change this. | 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable | | ============================================================================ | | 812) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 9:22:47 pm | | Eric> | Thanks glennmcc, I read that transcript of session before. | For all the sh*t they show, they still refuse to really | tell you the nitty-gritty on why it was refused. | Even the US postal service knows it's more important | to deliver the mail they are given for delivery than | to attempt filtering out the "junk mail" and then burning it. | | ============================================================================ | | 813) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 9:26:10 pm | | Eric> | BTW, have you read/heard about all the bad consequences of 911 | operators filtering their calls. | | | ============================================================================ | | 814) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 9:34:04 pm | | ray> | Glenn, you'll be able to figure that out much better than me, | but your fingering the 'subject' line seems like a good hunch. | Eric is right tho, you'd think they'd give you some real information | on what part of the message triggered the regection. | | | ============================================================================ | | 815) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 4:57:45 pm Š| URL | | glennmcc> | The situation at guantanamo bay is nothing new. | | We did it before, | we are doing it now, | and we will do it again in the future. | | http://www.postonproject.org/generalHistory.htm | | If there is one thing that we can learn from history, it is that humans | are destined to continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. | | ============================================================================ | | 816) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 5:00:13 pm | | glennmcc> | Oops... wrong board... reposted at the misc board. | | | ============================================================================ | | 817) Tue, Jul 04, 2006 - 12:06:26 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Something is definitely messed up that causes the cursor | alignment to get shifted down about half of a line. I don't | know any specific thing that causes it but once it happens, | a shell out and a return are required to get the cursor | back on line. It seems to happen in conjunction with going | to a text entry box such as on this board or the URL address | box on any page. | | ============================================================================ | | 818) Tue, Jul 04, 2006 - 9:39:22 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Try and find some exact situation that will cause it. I'm fairly | sure I know what you are talking about but it only happens here | once if a blue moon and as always, I can't trace it unless I can | duplicate it consistently. Maybe it's your non-use of the mouse | or something. IIRC the cursor is not so much misplaced as it is | mishapen, seems to be cut in half or something. When I have had it, | it disapears so fast I hardly notice it. I wonder if virtual screen | is involved. Anyway see if you can duplicate it reliably and then | let me know. | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 819) Tue, Jul 04, 2006 - 9:43:43 pm | | ray> | Never mind, just move the cursor and press enter <;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 820) Tue, Jul 04, 2006 - 9:44:34 pm | | ray> | Ooopps, ignore last post, I asked a question and then answered it | myself. | | | ============================================================================ | | 821) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 1:53:49 am | | Eric> | Ray, There you go again twisting around what I say....I described | as accurately as I can what happens with the cursor. The cursor is NOT | cut in half. It is placed about a line lower than it should be so that | on single line entry boxes the top half of the cursor is in the box | and the lower half of the cursor is below the box. The cursor is | still a little black rectangle one line high and one letter space | wide. I have not been able to cause it to happen intentionally. | | ============================================================================ | | 822) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 2:03:56 am | | Eric> | Ray, Pressing page down while in an entry box seems to cause | the cursor to move down one line. It stays down one line as the | tab key moves it to the different entry boxes untill PAGE UP is | pressed. | | | ============================================================================ | | 823) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 2:15:22 am | | Eric> | Ray, Now with the PAGE DOWN, The cursor only stays mispositioned | in the entry box in which page down is pressed as TAB moves the | cursor to the various boxes. | | ============================================================================ | | 824) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 7:14:38 am | | ray> | Eric, Š| | I'm not 'twisting' anything, tho I may be getting it wrong. Thanks | for the additionlal discription. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 825) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 7:16:11 am | | ray> | Ah! There we go, 'page down' in a one line box demonstrates the | problem :-) | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 826) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 6:58:50 pm | | ray> | Thanks Eric, stomped it. 'Twas a simple editing mistake, almost | a year old though :( | | | ============================================================================ | | 827) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 7:00:05 pm | | ray> | I'd never have found it since I'd never hit page down while in | a one line box, still there might have been other repercusions, perhaps | that bug I was telling you about was related. | | | ============================================================================ | | 828) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 7:44:06 pm | | Eric> | Ray, If you use a mouse then your not going to intentionally | hit PAGE DOWN when in a text entry box. I don't intentionally | do it either when in a single line entry box but since PAGE DOWN | is right next to END I think it gets pressed accidentally. Also, | if I want to page down and I ignore that the cursor is in a text | entry box then the problem occurs. | | | ============================================================================ | | 829) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 8:56:58 pm | | ray> | Yup, you mouseless folks find stuff us mousers would never find. Š| No matter how unlikely the defect was to surface, it was a defect | nevertheless. The fact that it took almost a year to surface is | disheartening but them's the breaks. | | | ============================================================================ | | 830) Fri, Jul 07, 2006 - 6:56:27 pm | | ray> | Ah :) ... I think I finaly have the right answer to making sure | that every external command executes with the fastest possible | graphics mode. Eric, want to test it? It might be I've overlooked | some command that will fall through the cracks. | | | ============================================================================ | | 831) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 2:51:24 am | | Eric> | Ray, I was just shocked. I sat down to browse with Arachne, but | when I clicked on a link, I felt like I was using M$IE. In got | a page I started to read, saying "You have lost your modem connection". | I never got a chance to finish reading it because it disappeared and | my modem hung up automatically. I don't like that. | | | ============================================================================ | | 832) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 8:49:30 am | | ray> | Morning Eric, | | Yeah, that's the famous CD-break check stuff that Vladimir and I | have been toiling over for months. You lost your connection and | it told you so. The hangup is necessary to get rid of the packet | driver, otherwise when you restart Arachne thinks she is online when | she is infact not and you don't find out about it till she timesout | at which point you'd have to hangup anyway. Sees like a good thing | to me unless it is in some way faulty, like giving a false message, | or even *causing* a CD break -- but so far it seems quite stable, | I get it here only when there is a modem break due to someone else | in the house picking up the phone long enough to break the connection. | Mind, if it ever does turn out to be faulty, or just unloved, it can | be made optional or just disabled in your personal build, let me | know. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 833) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 11:47:48 am | Š| Eric> | Ray, It should not automagically continue to the hangup. It should ask | you for permission to complete the hang up. One should be given as much | time as one wants to take to read the page. | | ============================================================================ | | 834) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 2:17:28 pm | | Eric> | Ray, That ERR_CD.AH page is just like the automatic redial | page that I have to disable everytime I reinstall Arachne. | Ten seconds is not sufficient for someone to figure out | what is going on when that page pops up let alone read it | and figure out what button they are supposed to push. Clicking | a button should be used to make the action happen not to stop | the action from happening. The way you have it set up it takes | control away from the user which is a bad way to do things. | | | ============================================================================ | | 835) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 2:31:09 pm | | Eric> | Ray, The concept of informing the user that the carrier | has been dropped is a good idea and should be done. The concept | of taking contol away from the user is a BAD idea. Those of us | who use Arachne seem to like it because it gives us control | of how certain functions are performed. We like to be informed | but we still like to be in control. Since your "Dropped CD warning" | and the subsequent "real hangup" of Arachne/modem can cause a loss | of data, leaving the control in the hands of the user is twice as | important. | | ============================================================================ | | 836) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 2:49:30 pm | | Eric> | Ray, What would really turn me on would be a hot key I could | press to confirm that the carrier had been dropped after your | warning pops up. Or even anytime I want to check if the | carrier is still there. If I could press a hotkey that checked | for the carrier, then gave the carrier status, then displayed | "If the carrier has beed dropped, then press "ALT-H" to initialize | Arachne for reconnecting with 'ALT-D' " I would love it. | | ============================================================================ | | 837) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 2:56:33 pm | | Eric> | Post #836 cont. - Then I could save anything in any temp file | eg. textarea.tmp, before performing any other functions. Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 838) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 3:01:23 pm | | Eric> | Post #836 cont. | Ray, On the status line it could say "carrier gone" instead of | "online" or "offline". | | ============================================================================ | | 839) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 3:42:13 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Hmmm, thanks for the feedback, points well taken, I like your | last idea, I think -- instead of a popup page, a beep and a | status line message might be sufficient. I don't think a confirmation | would be of much use, heck if the test isn't reliable to begin with | then there's not much point in asking twice. The way it is now, if | you are online, the carrrier is checked anytime you press a hotkey | or initiate an event with the mouse, it seems like overkill but the | code needed is very short and very fast, so there's not much time | lost. As to the cd-break page itself, of course one could simply | disable the countdown, as with the automatic redial thing -- I hate | that too, BTW. Now, if the page pops up when you are reading someting, | it should still be there via ESC or the "<" icon. However, when | you are typing something, nuts, is it gone? ... never thought of | that ;-) If that can't be fixed, then that's reason enough to | just go to a status line message. Thing is, with experimental code, | the page was best because one wants to know for sure whenever the | damned think squeeks but with work-a-day code I guess the | status message is enough, simpler too. Comments? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 840) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 3:44:49 pm | | ray> | Or ... *you* redesign the cd-break.ah page, send it to me and | I'll run it by Vladimir and then we'll use that. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 841) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 4:15:29 pm | | Eric> Š| Ray, I like the idea of seeing for myself that the carrier | is still there by pressing a hotkey. There are situations that arise | when one questions why something is not working and a hotkey to | confirm the carrier would be a real help. | Re: Err_cd.ah being there with "page back" or "CTRL-L. Arrow"... | Since the hangup, which BTW is now an external function, has already | occured with your current setup, it is too late to be of much use. | | ============================================================================ | | 842) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 6:03:27 pm | | Eric> | BTW, Ray, It seems that the only way to get ERR_CD.AH back | after it hangs up is to retrieve it from HISTORY. Other methods | fail. | | ============================================================================ | | 843) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 6:52:50 pm | | little_birdie> | file:system\gui\ERR_CD.AH | | | ============================================================================ | | 844) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 6:58:33 pm | | little_birdie> | BTW, | | edit that file and remove this line to stopp the auto-hangup. | | | | Alternately... | | Set shortest refresh to 60 sec via Options/Internet settings | | This will insert this line into arachne.cfg and you'l now have | a full minute to decide what to do. | | ShortestRefresh 60 | | | Also... you can simply hit the ESC key once to stop the count-down. | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 845) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 7:00:54 pm Š| | little_birdie> | As it says there in the lower left... | | Arachne will fly to 'new URL' in nn seconds. aborts | | ============================================================================ | | 846) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 7:12:05 pm | | Horny Owl> | Hi l_b, I know those solutions and file locations that you | have listed above. I'm not sure how to setup hotkeys and other | suggestions I described. I'm giving feed back on/for Ray's setup, | as it is. | | | ============================================================================ | | 847) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 7:21:36 pm | | Horny Owl> | BTW, I would much rather press a hotkey to check for a carrier than | have to pick up my telephone receiver to check for carrier as I have | to do now. | | ============================================================================ | | 848) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 8:12:34 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I meant retrieving the page you were looking at *before* the cdbreak | page shows, sheesh there would be no reason to retrieve the | error page itself. | | As to the hotkey, It seems strange that a dedicated hotkey would | be wanted when infact *any* key serves the same function when one | is online, still I can see that it would seem comforting. However, | we could declare *any* key to be the 'check CD hotkey' since infact | *any* key already has that function (so pick any one you want ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 849) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 8:14:00 pm | | ray> | Hey, I can advertise this as pure magic: My core reads your mind! | And I can prove it -- pick any key you like as the 'check CD' hotkey | and my core automagicaly implements your preference ;-) | | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 850) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 8:18:45 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Just thought of something, this is right off the cuff, so it might | be worthless. | But besides a status line message (which could be | overlooked and which might be overwritten at any time) I could also | replace the online timer with the "CD LOST!" or some such when a | break occurs, that would remain visible and if something didn't | work, a glance down there would give the reason, and it would | remain totaly manual -- nothing would happen without an explisit | command from the user. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 851) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 8:21:07 pm | | ray> | Or, going in the opposite direction, 'cd-break.ah' could loose the | automatic aspect but give you the option to hangup or to both | hangup and redial in one go -- should be possible to do both in | one roura. | | | ============================================================================ | | 852) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 8:38:57 pm | | little_birdie> |
| | | file/hangup.dgi |[50]$etermin.com 0x60>nul \n if exist PPP.LOG del PPP.LOG | | | | | file/hangupredial.dgi |[50]$etermin.com 0x60>nul \n if exist PPP.LOG del PPP | ____________________________________________________________________________ | | | ============================================================================ | | 853) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 8:40:49 pm | | little_birdie> | file/hangupredial.dgi |[50]call hu.bat \n call connect.bat | Š| ============================================================================ | | 854) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 8:42:31 pm | | little_birdie> | | | ============================================================================ | | 855) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 8:58:32 pm | | Eric> | Ray, When I said status line I was thinking of the lower right | corner where the "online" , offline , and timer now reside. | | I don't understand your post #848...If I never got a chance to read what | the error page said then why wouldn't I want to retrieve the error | page to see what the h*ll was happening. Try to imagine being an | inexperienced Arachne user...not the guy who wrote the darn thing! | BANG...all of a sudden my page disappears and some ERROR page pops up... | and as I start to read it, BANG... the error page disappears and the page | turns to black with some printing on the left in white letters that says | "You have hung up"..."Press ALT-E to return to Arachne". Now, I didn't | ask for a hangup, I don't know why it hung up, shouldn't I be | confused...shouldn't I be looking for the error page to see what | the h*ll happened. | | | ============================================================================ | | 856) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 9:07:31 pm | | Great Horny Owlie> | little_birdie, refresh my memory...what is the "[50]" for? | | ============================================================================ | | 857) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 9:16:21 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Please explain...how does any key act as a hotkey | to show carrier condition? Where does it say"Carrier is intact" or | "Carrier has been dropped"? | | ============================================================================ | | 858) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 9:23:11 pm | | ray> | Well well it seems some little birdie has done the work for me, I should | take up bird watching. | | Eric, | | Sorry you misunderstand what I'm saying, *given* that the automatic Š| timer should be disabled anyway, *then* the only think you'd want | to retrieve would be whatever you were looking at when 'break.ah' | popped up. | | Seems our thoughts are converging anyway ;-) But I'd still have | a proper statusline message like: | | "Your modem connection has been dropped, please hangup and redial" | | so that more information is conveyed AND the online timer goes to | "CD LOST!!" | | But, given that Glenn has done the work anyway, I'm now very tempted | to just stay with the break page, add the extra feature and disable | the automatic countdown :-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 859) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 9:26:57 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | The way I have it now, the CD check is performed before ANY | command to Arachne is performed and if it's OK it's OK so nothing | needs to be said -- you are online, you expect things to be working | and they *are* working so why belabour the point? I suppose a hotkey | could be used to simply report that fact but it's given anyway. | Hmmm, if the lower right message became "CD LOST!" when that happened, | then the simple fact that you see the timer would be sufficient to | show you that the connection is good, no? | | | ============================================================================ | | 860) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 9:30:14 pm | | ray> | Yeah, just think of the online timer as an ongoing | "connection is good" monitor. | | | ============================================================================ | | 861) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 9:58:27 pm | | ray> | Nitie nite gentlemen. | | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 862) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 10:13:57 pm | | [50] ==little_birdie> | if(dos_mem_kb < [nn]) dump_core_from_mem(); | | ============================================================================ | | 863) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 2:30:11 am | | Eric> | Thanks, little_birdie, Now I remember, that's the minimum memory | required in KB to perform the operation. I don't know how one knows | what that figure should be but now I remember it's function after | your knudge. | | ============================================================================ | | 864) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 2:36:48 am | | Eric> | Ray, All of what you say is true but I've been burned so many times | by the failure of Arachne to drop the carrier/hang up, that if I | had a hotkey to check the carrier, I guarantee I would use it often | and it would be one of my favorite hotkeys. | | | ============================================================================ | | 865) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 7:23:29 am | | Eric> | Please help me out...doesn't "CD" stand for "Carrier detect"? | If so, it's not the carrier detect that's lost...it's | the carrier that is lost...Am I right or am I confused? | | ============================================================================ | | 866) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 7:59:23 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Yeah, I understand but it's like giving a soother to a baby. With | the cd detect in place you can start to learn to trust that all is well | unless it tells you otherwise. But you logic is unasailable as far | as the term 'cd lost' ... it don't make no litteral sense. Maybe | there's a better way of saying it? "Carrier Lost" ? (might not fit). | | But if my man wants a hotkey so be it, what key would you like to | use? I'll put it into your personal build. | | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 867) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 8:00:43 am | | ray> | Hmmm, or maybe 'CD lost' will always be understood to mean | 'Carrier Detect signal lost' ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 868) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 12:12:59 pm | | Eric> | But is there such a thing as a "carrier detect siginal"? | Doesn't one just detect a "carrier siginal". | If one is watching an external modem with led's to monitor | the different siginals, then one can say the CD is gone when | the LED no longer is lit, meaning the light has gone out which | indicates that the carrier siginal is no longer there. | | ============================================================================ | | 869) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 12:17:04 pm | | Eric> | Saying "CD lost" is like saying that TERMIN 0x60 removes the | packet driver from 0x60, which is wrong. Termin removes the | pointer to the packet driver from 0x60. | | ============================================================================ | | 870) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 4:46:55 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | As I understand from Andrej, yes, there is a monitor for carrier and | it's the same thing that gives the light on an external modem, and it | can detect a loss of carrier even when there's no traffic, which is | why the 'break.ah' and pop up even when your connection is not | currently busy. You can verify that by just going online, then | once all is well, unplug your modem from the wall and break.ah | should pop up even if nothing else is happening. I couldn't tell you | exactly how it works, but Andrej knows. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 871) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 6:46:26 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Of course there is a monitor for carrier. That's what | I assume nakes your "dropped carrier warning" work and that's Š| what activates the LED on external modems. The existance of | traffic should have no effect on a carrier monitor otherwise | the carrier monitor would be useless. What is your point? | I don't understand what your trying to convey! I'm totally | in the dark! You got me again! | | ============================================================================ | | 872) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 7:21:59 pm | | little_birdie> | Eric, | | You're not the only one who's in the dark. | | Ray don't understand how it works, nor does he understand what he | means when trying to explain something he does not understand. | | ============================================================================ | | 873) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 7:31:28 pm | | little_birdie> | Here is basically how it works. | | The 6th bit into the base port address of the comport is the 'CD bit' | | 0 == no carrier detected | 1 == carrier detected | | (might be the other way around... can't remember for sure... but you get | the idea) | | | ============================================================================ | | 874) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 7:37:17 pm | | little_birdie> | The whole point is that you are correct. | | "CD lost" is the incorrect terminology. | | The CD is never 'lost'. | | When the carrier is lost... | the CD bit changes to the reverse state from when the carrier existed. | | The correct terminology would be... | | "Carrier lost" or "Carrier not detected" | | ============================================================================ | | 875) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 7:41:09 pm Š| | little_birdie> | If the pick-up coil of my metal detector is not currently near a piece | of metal, it does not mean that my MD has been lost. | | It simply means that it is not currently detecting any metal. | | ============================================================================ | | 876) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 11:29:38 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | re 183: I understand *that* it's explicit in the code. Your | explanation adds nothing whatsoever. What I don't | understand is how the modem knows when to flip that bit and I | doubt you know either. I'd speculate that there is some sort of | background chatter between the two modems even when nothing overt | is happening, and some break in that chatter is what triggers the | bit flip. | | Eric, | | Well then, maybe there's nothing to explain, maybe we understand | each other ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 877) Mon, Jul 10, 2006 - 8:37:36 am | | glennmcc> | Oh yes I _do_ understand what 'flips' that bit. | | It's magic !!! | | | | ============================================================================ | | 878) Mon, Jul 10, 2006 - 8:45:18 am | | glennmcc> | Oh... new testform.htm in my-stuff. | | ============================================================================ | | 879) Mon, Jul 10, 2006 - 7:05:20 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Why is there no link to "my-stuff" on your main page? | You mention "my-stuff" but there is no link to it. | Š| What is testform.htm for? It doesn't work as described for | the first text box. ENTER takes me to the second text box, not | to "before". | | | ============================================================================ | | 880) Mon, Jul 10, 2006 - 7:13:22 pm | | glennmcc> | There's no link to it because it's MY-STUFF !!!! | | And I only allow just a very select few to now where I keep my stuff. | | | | As for enter moveing to the second text box... ther is no second box in | the 1st form. | | | ============================================================================ | | 881) Mon, Jul 10, 2006 - 7:22:46 pm | | glennmcc> | But you're correct... I forgot to update the explainitory text after I | modified the page. | | Thanks for the heads-up... text now updated. | | ============================================================================ | | 882) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 9:52:52 am | | vbm> | re 839: & nexts abot cd lost: | Ray, spasibo for email reminding about this board. ;-) | if I right understand from discussion you want make a somelike monitor | of quality "CD-signal"???? ;-))))) sorry if I misunderstand. | to be continued... | | | ============================================================================ | | 883) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 10:29:30 am | | vbm> | Aga, seems I understood: ;-)))) | | Ray, Arachne can hangup if message about changing bit of cd lost will | displayed in the status line? | BTW, I don't like making by manual that that can make automatically. | ;-))) | and I notified that if try redial and use env variable "MYIP" then, | ip-address continuing displayed above msg "offline"... Š| for avoid this - need add to termin section line: | "SET MYIP=" | | | | ============================================================================ | | 884) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 3:32:45 pm | | ray> | Hi Vladimir, | | So the big question is, should we stick with the cd break page, or | just go to a status line message? I like the page since if Eric | or someone doesn't like the countdown it can be disabled, also, | as Glenn showed us, we can make a button to hangup AND redial | all at once. BTW it would also be possible to replace the 'termin' | section of arachne.bat with two lines in mime.cfg -- one for hangup | and return, one for hangup and quit, what do you think? Anyway, perhaps | you can redo the page, with a longer default countdown and this | extra button for hanup and redial? | | Right about 'set myip=' :-) | Should some other environment variables be killed too? | | | ============================================================================ | | 885) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 3:35:31 pm | | ray> | Oh, I forgot: yes, I think the hangup automaticaly could take place | with a status line message but it's not a good idea. If we have a | button to hangup it should be on the page, if we just use a status | line message, then the user must do it with Alt+H I think. Let's just | make a longer countdown, say 60 seconds like Glenn said, and then | that should be slow enough for Eric. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 886) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 4:18:47 pm | | glennmcc> | I use a bat file to 'clear' all of the environment variables haing to do | with connectivity. | | --- clrenv.bat --- | set lsppp= | set myip= | set remip= | set netmask= | set peermru= | set dns1= Š| set dns2= | __________________ | | ============================================================================ | | 887) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 4:22:17 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric or anyone else who might want it, can set their own minimum time-out | | ShortestRefresh 60 | | or 120 or 1000 .... whatever they might want. | | or they can disable it altogether....... | | IgnoreRefresh Yes | | ============================================================================ | | 888) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 7:48:38 pm | | ray> | Yeah, that's good housekeeping, I tend to like to leave things | laying around incase I might have some need to examine one of those | variables, but it's probably right to clean up. | | Roger that with the countdown, it's easy enough to handle, the page | stays and I hope VBM will update it as you suggested. | | BTW I have a resonably decent fix for the Arachne crash that Eric | and I found with one of Gregy's URL's, seems there's 6319 atoms | in that page :( | I found a way to make it quit trying if things overflow and just | show what it's got, seems OK, code available on request. | Eric, want to give it a boot? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 889) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 8:59:50 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/8710.gif | | ============================================================================ | | 890) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 11:45:50 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, What's one supposed to see at that #889 link? | The quote concerning USA ignorance? Š| | ============================================================================ | | 891) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 11:56:31 pm | | Eric> | I'm not concerned about the "expert" arachne user who can set | the time and/or figure out what's going on...I'm concerned about | the rest of the users (certainly not myself). A page that | disappears while your reading it is ALWAYS a PITA. When your | "super familiar" with the software then you don't bother to read | the page cause you already know what's on it. Therefore, a 10 sec. | delay seems like an eternity in such a case. | | | ============================================================================ | | 892) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 8:00:59 am | | glennmcc> | What are you spossa' see ????? | | What's the filename in post 889 ? | | What was Ray talking about in post 888 ? | | ============================================================================ | | 893) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 11:19:44 am | | glennmcc> | The point I wanted Ray to see is thatr the problem is not the high | number of HTML Atoms in and of itself. | | That screen-cap shows my fresh experimental compile displaying the | entire page (including all of the images loaded), even tho there are | 8710 HTML Atoms. | | I accomplished it by commenting-out one line in arachne.h and | recompiling core.exe with one feature not included. | | Ray, | | Can you guess which line was conmmented-out and which feature that | eliminated from core.exe ???? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 894) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 1:21:23 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, All I see when I click on link in #889 is a Pajama gif | and a page with two paragraphs of names in one continuous line with Š| no spaces between names and only two screens long. | | | ============================================================================ | | 895) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 2:13:20 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Most interesting, you removed something eh? My method shows | a bit more than yours I think but I'm betting your way would be | faster, my way got as far as the input fields but it took an age | to load and display. Well I'm stumped, can't begin to guess what | you took out. Let me know so I can do a direct comparison of | methods as to output and display time. | | I see what Eric sees, if I read his description properly. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 896) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 2:33:31 pm | | ray> | Waitaminute, I see something totaly different that your .gif -- I get | the 'little green football' at the top, then a list of archieves or | something. No pajamas, no list of names. | | | ============================================================================ | | 897) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 4:07:10 pm | | glennmcc> | Scroll the 8710.gif to the bottom /right. | | You will see all the buttons down the right side of my screen and ... | "8710 HTML atoms" | | | ============================================================================ | | 898) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 4:14:14 pm | | glennmcc> | -- in arachne.h -- | | //#define TABLES | __________________ | | That's the 'feature' that no longer works in that expeimental compile. | Š| No table rendering at-all. | | I did that little test just to show that the number of HTML atoms is not | the problem on that page and others like it. | | The problem is....... | | | find /c " | In addition to that. | | Have a look at the Alt+V validation results. | | Result: Failed validation, 230 errors | | ============================================================================ | | 900) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 4:19:30 pm | | glennmcc> | And from gregy's other nasty-ass link..... | | Result: Failed validation, 228 errors | | | | ============================================================================ | | 901) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 4:22:57 pm | | glennmcc> | Since gregy visited both of those and then posted the links to them.... Š| | I think we just caught him red-handed two-timing on us by using | someone else's browser. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 902) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 5:19:20 pm | | Eric> | Maaaaaannn, glennmcc, You sure made me run around the barn for that | explaination! Too many errors. | | ============================================================================ | | 903) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 5:36:45 pm | | glennmcc> | No, most of the errors we can deal with..... too many tables is the problem. | | | ============================================================================ | | 904) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 5:44:09 pm | | Eric> | Why do they write pages that are so wide? How many people run at a | resolution that shows the full width of those pages without | scrolling? Most people I know don't enjoy reading print that | small on the monitor. I think that they are defeating their | own purpose because it makes things much harder to find when they | cram so much on one screen and then require horizontal scrolling. | | ============================================================================ | | 905) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 5:50:13 pm | | Eric> | I think it would make much more sense to divide the info between | several pages instead of trying to jam so much onto one page, | I think it would also cut down on the errors. | | ============================================================================ | | 906) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 6:02:52 pm | | glennmcc> | Actually, that particular page is not wide. | | If you notice at the bottom of my screen-cap, there's no scrollbar. | | The whole page fits in the Arachne screen with no side-scolling needed. | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 907) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 8:02:21 pm | | Eric> | It doesn't fit in my Arachne screen. I have to scroll it. | I didn't even see your buttons untill you mentioned them | so I went searching. | | ============================================================================ | | 908) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 8:06:48 pm | | Eric> | As a matter of fact, this very board I'm writing on right now | only goes two thirds or less of the way across my screen at | this resolution where I can see most of your gif on one screen | without scrolling. | | ============================================================================ | | 909) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 8:50:28 pm | | glennmcc> | My screen-cap does not fit on your screen because it is 800x600 | | I was referring to the HTML page I was displaying when I took that | screen-cap. | | That page is fitting within the Arachne HTML screen area. | (no horiz scrollbar needed) | | | ============================================================================ | | 910) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 8:51:38 pm | | ray> | Tables eh? God, what I'd give for your nose ;-) | So that would explain why we see such different things. | As to the number of atoms, when I load ... and of course you are | right you *have* caught Gregy fraternizing with the enemy ... hmmm, | well it could be a Linux browser in which case he gets a proper | court martial, otherwise it's off to Gitmo with him for some | waterboarding < ggg > ... when I load that URL of Gregy's my | counter runs up to 1021 atoms quite quickly and then it | bogs down, and didn't I see somewhere that 1021 or 2 or 3 is the | limit?? Something about the maximum number of xswap items?? And isn't | each atom and xswap item? Could it be that the atom *counter* works | ok but in fact we can't store that many? | | | ============================================================================ | | 911) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 8:54:37 pm Š| | ray> | Anyway, seems we need some sort of page pre-checker to make sure | we don't try to load a page with too many tables or whatever -- or | load however many we can handle then render what's renderable. | | | ============================================================================ | | 912) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 8:55:27 pm | | glennmcc> | Oops... wrong res.... the screen-cap is 1024x768 | | | ============================================================================ | | 913) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 8:56:33 pm | | ray> | Yeah, when I load that page, it goes to '1021' very quickly but then | it takes about 5 minutes for the rest of whatever is happening | to finish before the partial page displays (that's with my bandaid fix). | | | ============================================================================ | | 914) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 8:58:32 pm | | glennmcc> | Nope... no limit on HTML atoms. | | As you see ... | I was displaying the whole page with images loaded and 8710 atoms | | The problem is simply too many tables. | | Arachne just can not handle 959 tables. | | ============================================================================ | | 915) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 8:59:49 pm | | glennmcc> | This page has 429 atoms right now. | (32 massages showing) | | BRB | | | ============================================================================ | | 916) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 9:01:09 pm | | glennmcc> Š| all 915 messages now showing..... 11,667 HTML atoms | (this is the 'standard compile' with table support) | | ============================================================================ | | 917) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 9:06:46 pm | | glennmcc> | Here are the 'table stats' for 916 messages. | | find /c "
| 3 tables == no problem dude | | 959 tables == BIG PROBLEM !!! | | | ============================================================================ | | 919) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 9:12:27 pm | | glennmcc> | mem stats for 917 messages... | | Dos mem (bytes) 222064[+] green | Used XMS (KB) 5836 | Free xSwap (KB) 774 | Used xSwap (KB) 1144 | Disk space (MB) 92 | HTTP cache items 4 | 11698 HTML atoms 0:02 | | ============================================================================ | | 920) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 9:25:34 pm | | glennmcc> | As to.... | | "it takes about 5 minutes for the rest of whatever is happening | to finish before...." | Š| During the 5min wait. | | This message _should_ have been in the lower/left. | | "Adjusting frames, images and tables" | | The "whatever is happening" was adjusting all of those friggin' tables. | | Can't say for sure how many you had in your partial download, | but since it took 5min to complete the adjusting.... | my estimate would be about 100. | | Let's see. | | Assuming for the moment that the total # of atoms is directly | proportional to the # of tables..... | | 959/8710 = 0.11 tables per atom | | 1021*0.11 = 112.31 | | ============================================================================ | | 921) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 9:32:20 pm | | glennmcc> | There, stopped the D/L at 1190 atoms | | find /c "
| In case you'd like to use it. | | Here's the BAT I've been using for counting tables. | (edit filename as needed to scan the file in question in your cache) | | --- tables.bat --- | echo find /c "
\tables.txt | find /c "
>\tables.txt | echo find /c ">\tables.txt Š| find /c ">\tables.txt | echo find /c ">\tables.txt | find /c ">\tables.txt | echo find /c ">\tables.txt | find /c ">\tables.txt | ________________________________________ | | ============================================================================ | | 923) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 9:43:54 pm | | ray> | Well, that's pretty unarguable, I guess #atoms != #xswap items, | infact I suppose each whole page is one xswap item. | | | ============================================================================ | | 924) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 9:45:24 pm | | ray> | Sounds to me like we need some sort of guard against these | monster pages, can we create some sort of #define MAXTABLES? ... | hmmm, or is there already something like that, a wee bell is | jingling in my skull. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 925) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 9:55:49 pm | | ray> | But whatever is happening, there is an xswap error so something | somewhere is overflowing. | | | ============================================================================ | | 926) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 10:19:38 pm | | glennmcc> | Betcha we can put a counter in html.c to stop processing any more tables | once the counter reaches a certain level. | | #define maxtables 1020; //or configurable via an arachne.cfg variable | int tablecount=0; | | | case TAG_TABLE | | if (tablecount>maxtables) break; | tablecount++; | | ============================================================================ Š| | 927) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 10:54:29 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, The title on your GIF image says: "GIF Image 1024x768 256 | colors" | | | ============================================================================ | | 928) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 11:26:16 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I don't know what world your living in but I just clicked | on that link and I am at a resolution where this lettering I am | typeing looks about as small as the small, hardly visible printing | on a medicine bottle. And, this board text box I'm typing in only | goes about 5/8 of the way across the screen...but...that "green-sh*t" | page required scrolling. Only about 3/4 of the page was visible | without horizontal scrolling. | | ============================================================================ | | 929) Wed, Jul 12, 2006 - 11:30:30 pm | | Eric> | "green-sh*t" page == littlegreenfootballs.com | | ============================================================================ | | 930) Thu, Jul 13, 2006 - 4:19:35 pm | | glennmcc> | Are you refering to the link to green-shit over on the misc board ? | | If so, are you using Ray's latest compile with the bandaid fix ? | | BRB | | | ============================================================================ | | 931) Thu, Jul 13, 2006 - 5:05:12 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | --- in html.c --- | | | | int renderHTML(struct Page *p) | { | //not specific to frames: | char search4maps=0; | unsigned char in; //in=buf[i]... Š| //specific to frames: | int i,bflen; | | //!!glennmcc: July 13, 2006 | int maxtables=64, tablecount=0; | //!!glennmcc: end | | | | #ifdef TABLES | // =========================================================== //
elements - Netscape's invention... | if(tabledepth && !istd) | goto tag_td; | tag_table: | | //
tag analysing code starts here | // ==================================================================== | { | char border=0,newtab=0,tabalign=0; | int newx,twidth,alignarg; | | //!!glennmcc: July 13, 2006 | if(tablecount>maxtables) goto p; | tablecount++; | //!!glennmcc:end | | //if there are too many nested tables, than we will give up... | if(tabledepth>MAXTABLEDEPTH) | goto p; | | | ____________________________________________________________________________ | | ============================================================================ | | 932) Thu, Jul 13, 2006 - 5:42:24 pm | | glennmcc> | Was still getting few crashes so I made it really conservitive by | eliminateing the maxtables variable and just using MAXTABLEDEPTH which | is defined as 16 | | if(tablecount>MAXTABLEDEPTH) goto p; | | | This fixes the crashing problem on these STUPID pages. | But.... it is still 'painfully slow' and takes about 40sec | to adjust the tables on this P4-1.7ghz machine. | | ============================================================================ | Š| 933) Thu, Jul 13, 2006 - 5:59:51 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Yes, I was referring to "green-sh*t" over on the misc, brd. | I am using the same core I've been using for te last week or so, | Erichne 1.90:B7:7p | | | ============================================================================ | | 934) Thu, Jul 13, 2006 - 6:08:25 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, The people writing these "green-sh*t" pages must be | using a very poorly written webpage generator, IMHO, with no | reasonable limits set on table depth. Probably a good example | of what happens when a poorly trained webpage designer is set | loose with a webpage generator. | | ============================================================================ | | 935) Thu, Jul 13, 2006 - 6:13:00 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, As I said earlier, the wise person would break such | webpages up into reasonably sized multiple pages so that the | reader/user could find things faster and easier. They try | to cram too much into a single page. | | ============================================================================ | | 936) Thu, Jul 13, 2006 - 6:19:46 pm | | Eric> | These over sized webpages remind me of the newspaper puting | out an edition with pages 10 feet wide and 10 feet high. | Hard for the paper boy to deliver and harder yet to read...but... | easy for their big presses to produce. | | | ============================================================================ | | 937) Thu, Jul 13, 2006 - 7:08:59 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep, agreed. | | That's why I refer to page like that one as 'STUPID' pages. | | | | Ray, | | Steal that code if you want to. | Š| My current 'test compile' is using.... | | if(tablecount>(MAXTABLEDEPTH*2)) goto p; | | That sets our 'limit' at 32 tables with a max depth of 16 nested tables. | | So-far-so-good. ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 938) Sat, Jul 15, 2006 - 5:17:28 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | What happens with your builds at this link ? | | Both mine and Joe's freeze-up tight :( | | ============================================================================ | | 939) Sat, Jul 15, 2006 - 5:22:14 pm | | glennmcc> | The problem is similar to the 'too many tables' problem. | | But this one is 'too many textareas' | | find /c " | Re: post 938 | | I locked up and needed to use RESET and reinstall Arachne | when I clicked on the link in post #938. Keyboard was | non-functional. | | ============================================================================ | | 941) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 7:33:19 am | | g> | m | | ============================================================================ | | 942) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 9:42:18 pm | | ray> Š| Evnin' folks, back from 4 days kyaking. Glenn, that little | guard above looks like exactly what's wanted. The 'download | everything before displaying' looks like the right choice too, | it always seemed to me that that should be the default. Will get | caught up in the next few days. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 943) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 11:08:41 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Where were you kayaking? Ocean, calm rivers, rapids or | waterfalls? I'd like to be doing some of that myself. I built | a kayak as a teenager and it got more use than probably anything | else I ever built. It was a canvas over woodframe kayak...a great | boat but fragile and not for rough usage. It was very light and | great for portaging. | | ============================================================================ | | 944) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 11:20:25 pm | | Eric> | BTW, the kayak was 17 ft long and could carry 2 passengers... | it was great with the girls but I had to be careful with | my Irish Setter dog. | | ============================================================================ | | 945) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 6:45:37 am | | ray> | Yo! dog in a kayak eh? He must have been very well trained to sit. | We were up the coast a ways exploring some inlets, which are | basicaly fjords. Basic ocean kayaking but when the tide rips | it can be a bit of a thrill. We were thinking of attempting the | Skookumchuck narrows but chickened out. You don't see frame kayaks | much anymore, too fragile for most folks but I'll bet they do | save a ton of weight. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 946) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 7:13:17 am | | Eric> | Ray, Your right, everything is high tensile strength, impact | resistant plastic that I see on TV and car tops. They're | rather expensive too! I have seen some stuff on TV where | they were going up those inlets you mentioned. It looked | like a lot of fun. I'm sure I'd enjoy it. Did you see Š| any whales or other wildlife? | | Concerning the dog...she was pretty good about boating... | however, when sailboating she tended to retreat under the | bow deck. AND you never wanted to leave her alone in the | boat...that got her all upset! She was a people | dog...all the kids wanted to play with her and take her | for walks. One day in heavy winds I fell overboard. I | was sailing alone with the dog and I had the boat all | set to sail by itself. When it healed way over I slipped | on that darn slippery fiberglass and fell out and the | boat kept sailing with the dog barking at me. It scared | the h*ll out of me. Somehow I caught the end of the tiller | extension as it shot past me and pulled myself back into | the boat. I was black and blue from my wrist down my arm | and side to my thigh on one side. | | | ============================================================================ | | 947) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 7:26:10 am | | Eric> | Ray, BTW, after that sailboat experience I learned it's a | good idea to leave a rope tied to the boat and trailing | over the stern as a safety measure when possible. I gives a man | overboard something to grab...however with motor boats one has | to avoid getting trailing lines caught in the prop or sucked | into waterjet intakes. | | ============================================================================ | | 948) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 7:47:19 am | | Eric> | Ray, I just remembered, my brother carved a double ended | paddle for the kayak out of an 8-9 ft. 2x6 in shop class | at school. I think it was a piece of Sitka spruce. I used | sitka spruce for the stringers in my kayak. | | | ============================================================================ | | 949) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 9:02:22 am | | Eric> | Ray, Didn't you fix the file creation problem I was having | when I click on "reply" or "forward" when looking at an email? | I am having that problem now ... and ... I can't seem to get | rid of an email in the outbox ie. when I click on "send unsent mail" | it stays in the outbox. | | ============================================================================ | | 950) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 1:54:54 pm Š| | ray> | Eric, | | We saw seals galore and birds of all kinds but no whales unfortunately, | tho they can be seen on occasion in there. Pound for pound, Sitka | spruce is among the strongest materials known to science. | | The file creation thing, nuts I can't even remember what I did there, | but seems to me I did fix something or other, or was it a paths | thing? Anyway, check your roura.log and see what's happening. Or did | I fix it but not send it? Nut's I've got Alzheimers ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 951) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 3:14:44 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I know pods of Orca's are supposed to frequent those | waters according to what I've read and/or seen on TV. They | have been showing a lot of whale programs on PBS for the | last week or so. I haven't seen any lately in your area, | however. | | Re: Sitka spruce....I don't know if the average guy can | even find pieces of wood like that any more. I cut the | stringers out of a piece of CLEAR Sitka spruce 18ft. long | and about 10-12in.x1in.. My dad & I ripped them with a | hand saw. It was quite a job. I built the whole boat by | hand...All I had as power tools were a vibrating scroll | saw and a 1/4 in comercial type electric drill. As I | remember, we had to rip about 10 stringers out of that | piece of wood. My radial arm saw would sure have made | it a lot easier. | | Don't feel bad about the memory thing...I can't exactly | remember what we did either ... It's funny how one | can remember certain things about 40-50 years ago but | other more recent things get stored in hard to retrieve | from parts of our brain. | | | ============================================================================ | | 952) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 4:40:45 pm | | little_birdie> | Show 512 messages | | post 680 and on-down dealing with the 'path problems' | | the solution in .... | | 704) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 8:54:01 pm Š| ray> | Come to think of it why fart around? I just restored the old | method. Heck it's easier to just try it and see if it fixes the | problem that it is to make you jump through hoops trying to dignose | it (sometimes I need a smack on the side of the head ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 953) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 5:12:07 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Thanks, I'll check that out re: paths. | What about it, you work at Carter, I bet you guys don't | handle anything like Sitka spruce, right? It's considered | specialty lumber, isn't it? | | ============================================================================ | | 954) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 6:04:24 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Are you having trouble with Bluebottle.com? | I can't seem to login. | | | ============================================================================ | | 955) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 6:09:18 pm | | glennmcc> | Bluebottle is down at the moment. | (webmail, pop3 and smtp as-well) | | ============================================================================ | | 956) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 6:10:46 pm | | glennmcc> | --- pop3.log --- | Asking domain name server for mail.bluebottle.com ... | +OK POP3 Ready f12.bluebottle.com 0001c7cf | USER glennmcc@bluebottle.com | PASS | Closing connection... | +OK QUIT | ________________ | | ============================================================================ | | 957) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 6:14:24 pm | | glennmcc> | --- smtp.log --- | 220 fe10.bluebottle.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.6/8.13.6; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 | 19:13:31 -0500 Š| EHLO bluebottle.com | 250-fe10.bluebottle.com Hello adsl-75-24-30-83.dsl.yntwoh.sbcglobal.net | [75.24.30.83], pleased to meet you | 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES | 250-PIPELINING | 250-8BITMIME | 250-SIZE | 250-DSN | 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN | 250-STARTTLS | 250-DELIVERBY | 250 HELP | AUTH LOGIN | 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6 | Z2xlbm5tY2NAYmx1ZWJvdHRsZS5jb20= | 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6 | ************** | 235 2.0.0 OK Authenticated | MAIL FROM: | 250 2.1.0 ... Sender ok | RCPT TO: | 250 2.1.5 ... Recipient ok | DATA | 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself | From: "Glenn McCorkle" | Organization: Arachne Fan Club | Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:13:53 -0500 | X-Mailer: Arachne v1.91;UE11.r9 | To: glennmcc@bluebottle.com | Reply-To: glennmcc@cisnet.com | Subject: test.... | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 | Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit | | 1,2,3...... | | -- | Glenn | http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ | http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html | . | 250 2.0.0 k6J0DVlC027387 Message accepted for delivery | QUIT | ________________ | | | ============================================================================ | | 958) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 6:14:49 pm | | glennmcc> | As you can see... pop3 and smtp are back up now. | Š| ============================================================================ | | 959) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 6:16:19 pm | | glennmcc> | webmail login is still down | | ============================================================================ | | 960) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 6:17:53 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Yep... something is screwy at the moment. | | http://fe10.bluebottle.com/ | | | | ============================================================================ | | 961) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 6:18:42 pm | | glennmcc> | Fedora Core | | This page is used to test the proper operation of the Apache HTTP server | after it | has been installed. If you can read this page, it means that the Apache HTTP | server installed at this site is working properly. | | If you are a member of the general public: | | The fact that you are seeing this page indicates that the website you just | visited is | either experiencing problems, or is undergoing routine maintenance. | | ============================================================================ | | 962) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 6:25:11 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/myserver.htm | | ============================================================================ | | 963) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 7:16:37 pm | | glennmcc> | --- clipped from access_log ---- | 209.104.141.129 - - [18/Jul/2006:20:46:54 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 7259 | ___________________________________________________________________________ | | WHOIS Record For Š| 209.104.141.129 | Record Type: IP Address | | OrgName: Internet Operation Center | OrgID: GCI | Address: 200 Galleria Office Center | City: Southfield | StateProv: MI | PostalCode: 48034 | Country: US | | NetRange: 209.104.128.0 - 209.104.159.255 | CIDR: 209.104.128.0/19 | NetName: IOCENTER-IP-BLK-1 | NetHandle: NET-209-104-128-0-1 | Parent: NET-209-0-0-0-0 | NetType: Direct Allocation | NameServer: NS1.IOCENTER.NET | NameServer: NS2.IOCENTER.NET | Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE | RegDate: 1997-08-14 | Updated: 2000-03-06 | | RTechHandle: DC113-ORG-ARIN | RTechName: dns-technical contact | RTechPhone: +1-810-204-8888 | RTechEmail: dns-tech@iocenter.net | | | | ============================================================================ | | 964) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 8:04:55 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Interesting, that address is about 10 mi. up the road | from me in zip 48034. | | ============================================================================ | | 965) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 8:27:14 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I just had another burp from Arachne. I just sent myself an | email with 2 attachments. The 1st is a JPG file, 2nd a ZIP file. | The ZIP file gives me the SAVE page when I click on it, but... | the JPG is not clickable. The TAB key ignores it and the cursor | doesn't change color when placed on it and nothing happens when | I press enter with the cursor over the JPG name. Both files are | in the TMP directory and the JPG works fine with the viewer. | | ============================================================================ | | 966) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 9:14:02 pm | Š| Eric> | Ray, Do you have an Erichne compile that should be free of these | bugs? I checked your site and didn't see any. All the builds | I am using have a later date than on your download site. | I think you recently mentioned some new build to be tried. | | | ============================================================================ | | 967) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 10:26:03 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I'll send an updated core tomorrow, there are a few bugs we | discussed worked out and then you can update me on these new | bugs, tho these things sound like mime.cfg issues. | | BTW Glenn, that URL you mentioned above locks or crashes my core | too and what has me quite confuzzled is the fact that when I | fire up the function tracing code in my core, I get different | results every time I try that URL. Sometimes it will go | for for as little as 16,480 calls before crashing and sometimes | for as many as 16,980, it seems to depend on how much delay time | I have in the tracing code (used to make things visible) also, the | order and pattern of the function calls can change, how is that | possible? Also, the last function called (the one where the | crash takes place) can vary as well. I don't get it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 968) Wed, Jul 19, 2006 - 12:26:16 am | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | Did you visit my homeserver via the link in post 962 ? | | If so... that was probably your hit that was looged. | | ============================================================================ | | 969) Wed, Jul 19, 2006 - 12:28:29 am | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | Which link locks you up ? | | the one in post 960... or the one in 962 ? | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 970) Wed, Jul 19, 2006 - 1:51:02 am | | Eric> | gleenmcc, Yes, I clicked on that link so I was probably looged. | | ============================================================================ | | 971) Wed, Jul 19, 2006 - 1:55:38 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, You never answered my question about Sitka spruce | in post #953: | 953) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 5:12:07 pm | Eric> | glennmcc, Thanks, I'll check that out re: paths. | What about it, you work at Carter, I bet you guys don't | handle anything like Sitka spruce, right? It's considered | specialty lumber, isn't it? | | ============================================================================ | | 972) Wed, Jul 19, 2006 - 7:32:05 am | | ray> | Glenn, it was the URL in 936. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 973) Wed, Jul 19, 2006 - 1:23:55 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Spruce of that quality can still be had but it's rare, search for | 'aircraft quality spruce' and you'll see there's a few folks still | have it for making home-built planes, it's better than aluminum but | must be sawn with TLC as you no doubt know from making your kayak. | | | ============================================================================ | | 974) Wed, Jul 19, 2006 - 4:24:18 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | Nope... no Sitka spruce at Carter Lumber. | | In-fact... until you mentioned it, I had never even heard of it. | | But then again... I don't work in the lumber dept. | | I am asstnt. Mgr. of the Plumbing, Electric & Heating Dept. Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 975) Wed, Jul 19, 2006 - 4:26:13 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, re: post 972 | | There is no link in post 936. | | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 976) Wed, Jul 19, 2006 - 4:26:46 pm | | glennmcc> | Did you mean 938 ? | | ============================================================================ | | 977) Wed, Jul 19, 2006 - 4:27:40 pm | | glennmcc> | If so... the explaination of what causes the lock-up is in post 939 | | ============================================================================ | | 978) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 12:36:49 am | | Eric> | Ray, PBS TV just broadcast a program showing the grey whales | traveling up the coast and past the area where you were kayaking. | It showed the Orcas attacking the baby whales for food around the | Vancouver area. The grey whales migrate up and down your coast | every year and follow the coast for protection. | | | ============================================================================ | | 979) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 12:48:46 am | | Eric> | Ray, I had a little trouble with your email "bad download" fix. | I had about 10 emails which were all good emails but one was about | 300KB and took a while to download so I pressed ESC and selected | "S" for skip, but...instead of just skipping it aborted the download. | Have you experienced this action? I'm using Erichne 1.90:B7:7p | | ============================================================================ | Š| 980) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 7:03:16 am | | ray> | Glenn, | | Yeah that was it. Anyway, it's one thing to know it's two many | text areas, it's another to find out where the actual trouble | shows up and that seems hard to do for some reason, anyway, what about | another guard there? | | Eric, | | I thought the Greys stayed off the coast and avoided internal | waters but if you saw different ... | | As to "S" if the mail concerned was the last one, that's the | way it should behave, otherwise it should resume and if not, that's | a bug. Note you will see the partialy downloaded mail which you | will probably want to delete, it works fine here, or did last time | I tried it, will look at it after work. | | | ============================================================================ | | 981) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 11:23:53 am | | Eric> | Ray, The way I understood it...Particularly the mother Greys | like to stay in shallower water to limit the attacks from Orcas | from underneath the mother and her baby. The Orcas feed on the | baby Greys. I think there was also some mention of the protection | of the kelp beds. They also said there was a small pod of Greys | that stayed off the Oregon/Washington coast instead of migrating | all the way up to the Bering Sea. | | | ============================================================================ | | 982) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 11:30:16 am | | Eric> | Ray, Re. the email...it was in the middle and downloading should | have resumed. However, it was on my Juno mailbox and it seems to | be more tempermental since glennmcc has had to give me a special | compile several times to avoid download aborting. | | ============================================================================ | | 983) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 4:35:58 pm | | glennmcc> | http://new-brunswick.net/new-brunswick/whales/orca.html | http://www.acsonline.org/factpack/graywhl.htm | | ============================================================================ Š| | 984) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 4:37:43 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | As to another 'guard' .... | | Since that is the on and only page I have ever seen that's like that. | | Naw, I don't think we need it for textareas. | | | ============================================================================ | | 985) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 7:26:33 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Interesting links....They pretty much confirm what | I understood from the PBS TV show. Evidently it's "gray" not | "grey". There are Greyhounds but Gray whales! | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 986) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 7:33:27 pm | | glennmcc> | Quite correct ;-) | | define:gray whale | | http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?gray%20whale | | define:greyhound | | http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?greyhound | | ============================================================================ | | 987) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 9:45:20 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | RE Juno, perhaps Glenn will be kind enough to show what's in this | special code for Juno and I'll include it in you custom build of | my core too. BTW new core just sent no changes up front, just | bug fixes as discussed and some tighter code in a module or two. | | | Glenn, | RE guard, quite correct, to avoid bloat one must resist the temptation Š| to add code to fix every little thing -- once in a blue moon bugs | are better just tolerated. | | | ============================================================================ | | 988) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 9:47:32 pm | | ray> | Oh forgot, drat. I meant to include your tables guard but thought I'd | let you play with it till you hit the trigger numbers you like, forgot | to ask: what numbers are you now using? | | | ============================================================================ | | 989) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 9:59:26 pm | | glennmcc> | One weekand many thousands of pages.... not one single problem. | | if(tablecount>(MAXTABLEDEPTH*2)) goto p; | | | ============================================================================ | | 990) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 10:01:13 pm | | glennmcc> | RE Juno, perhaps Glenn will be kind enough to show what's in this | special code for Juno and I'll include it in you custom build of | | ???? | | What 'special code' ??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 991) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 10:09:26 pm | | glennmcc> | If you mean 'SMTPport' and 'POP3port' | | ---- urlstat.c --- | | else | if(!strcmpi(url->protocol,"smtp")) | //!!glennmcc: Feb 28, 2006 -- optionally use 'alternate' port # | { | char *ptr=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"SMTPport",NULL); | if(ptr && strlen(ptr)>1) | url->port=atoi(ptr); | else | url->port=25;//original single line Š| } | //!!glennmcc: end | else | if(!strcmpi(url->protocol,"pop3")) | //!!glennmcc: Feb 28, 2006 -- optionally use 'alternate' port # | { | char *ptr=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"POP3port",NULL); | if(ptr && strlen(ptr)>1) | url->port=atoi(ptr); | else | url->port=110;//original single line | } | //!!glennmcc: end | /* | else | if(!strcmpi(url->protocol,"irc")) | url->port=6667; | */ | else | if(!strcmpi(url->protocol,"finger")) | url->port=79; | // ======================================================================= | | ============================================================================ | | 992) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 10:12:43 pm | | glennmcc> | --- in opt_net.ah --- | | Keep mail on POP3 server after download |
| | Use alternate port # for POP3 |
  • (default is port #110) |
  • (other possible values... 995 ) |
  • [or check with provider] ) |
    • |
    SMTP server (port 25 - outgoing mail) |

    | Note: Arachne doesn't support IDENT protocol yet - all connection | at this PC's port 113 will be refused. |

    		| |
    | | | Create SMTP log file for debugging |
    | | | Disable HELO protocol |
    | | Use alternate port # for SMTP Š|
  • (default is port #25) |
  • (other possible values... 587, 465 ) |
  • [or check with provider] |
    | 7-bit | | | ============================================================================ | | 993) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 10:14:15 pm | | glennmcc> | In the case of JUNO ... SMTPport 26 was needed. | | | ============================================================================ | | 994) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 12:15:33 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, I'm not so sure about Juno and SMTP port 26. | Weren't we changing those ports somewhere and | trying them out? Refresh my mind! I still haven't | been able to send email with Arachne via Juno. I | recall changing the port numbers but never got Juno | SMTP to work. | | ============================================================================ | | 995) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 5:55:24 am | | glennmcc> | Nevermind. | | went back to post 730 - 734 | | That was for bluebottle, not JUNO. | | IIRC, We determined that JUNO mail requires that you be logged-in | to the JUNO system using JUNO software. | | ============================================================================ | | 996) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 6:11:04 am | | Eric> | Yeh, I think Juno is doing something to confuse us intentionally. | | | ============================================================================ | | 997) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 4:24:44 pm | | ray> Š| Well whatever you guys come up with ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 998) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 4:38:29 pm | | glennmcc> | Sorry to say, there is nothing to 'come up with'. | | JUNO requires JUNO and that's that. | | ============================================================================ | | 999) Sat, Jul 22, 2006 - 12:27:51 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, If I were to capture what is being sent back and | forth thru the modem couldn't I figure out what they are | doing different ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 1000) Sat, Jul 22, 2006 - 5:45:51 am | | Eric> | Ray, I just tried that skip a message thing again, just to test, | and it just caused an abort. This is with E. 1.90:B7:7r, the latest! | Am I doing something wrong? I press ESC in the middle of an email | download and then press "S", and then wait. Boinnnnggg...it aborts! | | | ============================================================================ | | 1001) Sat, Jul 22, 2006 - 2:55:23 pm | | glennmcc> | IIRC, | | JUNO's method of authentication is that you must be logged-onto | the JUNO network using JUNO software in-order to use JUNO smtp. | | ============================================================================ | | 1002) Sat, Jul 22, 2006 - 4:16:15 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Confirmed. | | I tried all possible methods of accessing JUNO smtp | with both Arachne and with Netscape. | | All attempts failed. Š| | The smtp server itself is 100% inaccessible. | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/junosmtp.gif | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1003) Sat, Jul 22, 2006 - 4:24:00 pm | | glennmcc> | Also tried accessing it via telnet .... | | authsmtp.juno.com 25 | | Still no-go. | | Telnet to the pop3 server works perfectly. | | pop.juno.com 110 | | And I downloaded mail just fine using Arachne. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1004) Sat, Jul 22, 2006 - 4:25:06 pm | | glennmcc> | You can send me an email at this newly created free JUNO account at..... | | glennmcc1959@juno.com | | | ============================================================================ | | 1005) Sat, Jul 22, 2006 - 4:31:52 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Check it out. | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/juno_webmail_arachne.gif | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1006) Sat, Jul 22, 2006 - 4:46:28 pm | | glennmcc> | Sending a message requires JS | Š| But logging-in and reading messages online works fine in Arachne. | | ============================================================================ | | 1007) Sat, Jul 22, 2006 - 5:47:29 pm | | glennmcc> | Further testing seems to show that JUNO is no longer supporting smtp | regardless of the situatuion. | | We never even get a chance to attempt to login. | | The smtp server itself is inaccessible with all software. | | ============================================================================ | | 1008) Sat, Jul 22, 2006 - 6:39:24 pm | | glennmcc> | Check-out this CRAP. | | Installed and ran the JUNO software on Win98 | | It switched my default browser from FireFox to IE | (never asked for confirmation that I wanted to do that... it just did it | without so mauch as a "We just screwed you") | | Now checkout this CRAP !!!! | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/juno-ad1.gif | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/juno-ad2.gif | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/juno-ad3.gif | | JUNO has now been uninstalled from my machine. | | Oh, and don't bother sending any emails to that address in post 1004 | | I'll be closeing that JUNO-CRAP account ASAP !!!! | | | ============================================================================ | | 1009) Sat, Jul 22, 2006 - 10:09:48 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, That's the reason I hardly ever used Juno | until my Greater Detroit Freenet (GDFN) crapped out. | They used to periodically update software online with | no warning as to size of the update or system requirements. | If you didn't have enough HD space then it required you | to erase/create more HD space. Several times it locked up | my critical computer which took me a couple of days to | fix. Once you clicked on update you were screwed. I | used the old free software that I had on a floppy | until that no longer worked. I decided that the cheapest Š| for-pay mailbox gave me the best arrangement and | I avoided changing my email address. I can send/forward | things back and forth to other free mailboxes and | use Arachne if I want. The way things are right now | I can't click on links in emails using my Juno software | because it tries to connect to the internet by dialing | Juno numbers when I am already connected thru my ISP. | To avoid losing everything on my computer I just suffer | with it the way it is. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1010) Sat, Jul 22, 2006 - 10:22:00 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I'm not an AdAware user but as I interpret your | GIF's in #1008, it looks like you picked up a few bugs from | Juno. | | ============================================================================ | | 1011) Sun, Jul 23, 2006 - 5:13:22 am | | glennmcc> | A few bugs ?!?!?! | | Uh Uh ..... A lot of bugs !!! | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1012) Sun, Jul 23, 2006 - 5:15:43 am | | glennmcc> | Grab both "Adaware" and "Spybot Search & Destroy" | | I'll betcha you got a lot of bugs from them too. | | ============================================================================ | | 1013) Sun, Jul 23, 2006 - 5:47:26 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, I've been using Spybot S&D but it seems to | behave strangely in certain aspects and I'm suspicious | that my Spybot itself may have an anomaly in it. As you | know this reinstall stuff doesn't always go so smoothly | so as it does S&D pretty well I have not found the courage | to try a re-install. As I said, I'm sure that I'm not using | the Juno program you installed. I'm using an old obsolete | Juno program intentionally. When I first started using Juno Š| maybe 15 yrs. ago I was able to customize the program similar | to the way we can Arachne and eliminate most of the ads, etc. but... | as they updated their software to more advanced M$ft verions | I lost that ability. I hate using the web access 'cause it | works so slowly with my computer so I use web acess only when | necessary. | | ============================================================================ | | 1014) Sun, Jul 23, 2006 - 1:48:47 pm | | glennmcc> | Sooooo.... what program and what method _do_ you use to send email using | your JUNO account ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 1015) Sun, Jul 23, 2006 - 3:31:34 pm | | Eric> | Re: My Juno software - Juno 4.0 build 11 copyright 1995-1999 | | glennmcc, Above you see the program I use for my Juno account. | | ============================================================================ | | 1016) Sun, Jul 23, 2006 - 3:46:56 pm | | glennmcc> | Ahhhh.... that also answers the Q about what method is being used. | | It's not using SMTP but rather the JUNO proprietary protocal built into | their own program. | | Which unfortunately confirms my suspicians that sending email via JUNO | requires JUNO software. | | ============================================================================