MISCELLANEOUS Message Board Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:00:53 ______________________________________________________________________________ | ============================================================================ | | 1) Thu, Jun 01, 2006 - 12:13:59 am | | gregy> | New board... | | | ============================================================================ | | 2) Thu, Jun 01, 2006 - 12:14:49 am | | gregy> | Last 11 messages.... | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 728) Mon, May 29, 2006 - 3:53:55 pm | | | | ray> | | Hey Gregy, how's that spring project goin' ? | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 729) Mon, May 29, 2006 - 8:25:46 pm | | | | gregy> | | hho ho ho ho ho....We'll send you "love and kisses" in "Thought | | Police | | Heaven"...... | | ... | | Re: spring project.....yes....it progresses.........but... | | ..with me...it's ALWAYS...."Slowly, slowly, catchee monkey"..... | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 730) Mon, May 29, 2006 - 9:14:58 pm | | | | ray> | | You know, some have said that even here in Kanistan, the | | highwater mark has been reached with thoughtpolicing, there are | | signs that folks in general are a bit feed up with it, and several | | 'human rights tribunals' have had their wings clipped. Mind, I'd | | still be arrested if I publicly said anything that might hurt the | | feelings of a Jew, a faggot, a woman, an indian, or anyone of | | dark pigmentation. | | | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 731) Mon, May 29, 2006 - 9:37:38 pm | | URL | | | | gregy> | | The esteemable "Hitch"... | | | | http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008441 | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 732) Mon, May 29, 2006 - 9:39:11 pm | | | | gregy> | | Well...I'd probably not use those appellations just because their | | "rude" | | ....errrmmmm....hmmmmm....well, I guess "women" IS kinda rude.....to | | some feminazi..... | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 733) Mon, May 29, 2006 - 9:55:26 pm | | URL | | | | gregy> | | hmmmmm..... | | | | http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/4603_0_2_0_C/ | | | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 734) Mon, May 29, 2006 - 10:45:14 pm | | URL | | | | gregy> | | ...and...our "Sunday-Steyn"..... | | | | http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn28.html | | | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 735) Mon, May 29, 2006 - 11:10:20 pm | | | | ray> | | Thanks, yes, Hitch does write well, a pleasure to read both for | | style and content. | | | | Interesting comments on Katrina too. | | | | Steyn ... not quite so good. | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 736) Mon, May 29, 2006 - 11:27:06 pm | | | | gregy> | | ah...well...that's because of your "libby-soccy-proggy" biases.... | | .......and...possibly because it's Monday, not Sunday.. | | ... | | ... | | but...I refuse to apologize....it FEELS like Sunday..... | | | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 737) Tue, May 30, 2006 - 2:44:24 am | | URL | | | | gregy> | | hmmmmm...... | | | | http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/5/27/93622.shtml | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 738) Tue, May 30, 2006 - 4:12:46 pm | | | | ray> | | Well well! Seems Al should be welcomed into the anti-environazi | | fold no? It looks to me like maybe he's really a good-old-boy | | after all. | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | ============================================================================ | | 3) Thu, Jun 01, 2006 - 12:18:02 am | | gregy> | Guys, again I apologize....this little "Homeowners' Delight" project I | got forcefully thrust upon me has really discumbobolated me.... | ... | I thought I was "about 1/4 into it"....but find that I'm only about | 1/8 into it....he he....just can't win for losing.... | ... | Please be aware....my last few posts have been facitious, frivolous and | disjointed..... | ... | My head's not "here"..... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 4) Thu, Jun 01, 2006 - 3:02:56 am | | Eric> | Gregy, "Homeowner's Delight" is a good reason for flight or fight! | Once caught in the net, your like a fly caught in the vortex of a | flushing toilet! | | ============================================================================ | | 5) Thu, Jun 01, 2006 - 3:14:20 am | | gregy> | PREEEeeee-zakkkly...!!!!!....... | | | ============================================================================ | | 6) Thu, Jun 01, 2006 - 4:59:07 am | | gregy> | Time check.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 7) Sun, Jun 04, 2006 - 1:28:08 pm | URL | | Eric> | Non W$doze attacks on the rise. | | http://www.techspot.com/news/21374-nonwindows-attacks-on-the-rise.html | | ============================================================================ | | 8) Sun, Jun 04, 2006 - 1:31:37 pm | URL | | Eric> | SMTP used for attacks. | | http://www.scmagazine.com/uk/news/article/548852/serious+security+bug+found+ | | ============================================================================ | | 9) Sun, Jun 04, 2006 - 1:36:09 pm | URL | | Eric> | Ransomeware...pay us if you want your files back! | | http://www.techspot.com/news/21786-the-rise-of-ransomware.html | | | ============================================================================ | | 10) Sun, Jun 04, 2006 - 8:37:50 pm | | ray> | Hmmm, with SMTP so ubiquitous, how is it that this is only | coming to light now? Sounds like something that the hackers would | have figured out ages ago. | | | ============================================================================ | | 11) Mon, Jun 05, 2006 - 12:55:28 am | | Jake> | Re: Ransomeware... | | > > BTW, the 30-digit password locking the files is | > > mf2lro8sw03ufvnsq034jfowr18f3cszc20vmw." | > | > I was just looking for that. Thanks! | | What?! That's exactly the kind of combination a Slashdotter would use | on his luggage! | | ============================================================================ | | 12) Wed, Jun 07, 2006 - 10:15:15 pm | | ray> | boring | | | | ============================================================================ | | 13) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 10:09:50 pm | | ray> | borrring. | Gregy, I'm sliding back into communism! | | | ============================================================================ | | 14) Sat, Jun 10, 2006 - 11:34:48 pm | | gregy> | sorry, Ray...but...I'm sliding under my trailer, regularly, to perform | "Homeowners' Delight".... | ... | Can't fight off both communism AND that obscene word ******** (eight | letters) that begins with a "p"...... | | | ============================================================================ | | 15) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 9:03:45 am | | Jake> | Sat in a corner and pulled out a plum? | | | ============================================================================ | | 16) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 9:41:55 am | | ray> | Sh*it ... or is that a Freudian slip? I'm on holidays next two | weeks, if I get my bike together in time, I'll ride out there and | give you a hand. And bring my MAD collection for your | continued mental health. | | | ============================================================================ | | 17) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 9:42:48 pm | | gregy> | oh..NO!!!....not the MAD collection.....!!!!! | .... | I usta be addicted to that thing when I was a kid......he he | ... | Spy v. Spy......he he he...... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 18) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 9:47:23 pm | | gregy> | per "give you a hand"...thanks...but, there's NO room for (sometimes) | even two hands....let alone four.... | ... | That's part of the frustration and slowness of the job....Trailer houses | have their plumbing "enclosed" in realllll tight places..... | ... | ...and...for the past 20 years, the "great homeowner" (me) has just | jerry-rigged one thing after another, precisely because it was well | nye impossible to do otherwise....but...now....since I intend to die | in this trailer.....twenty years down the road I doan wanna hafta be | messing with this stuff...therefore....I'm doing a slow and methodical | rework/rebuild of all that so I won't have to deal with it when I do | start to get decrepit..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 19) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 10:58:08 pm | | gregy> | Jake....well...you had the first half of it..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 20) Sun, Jun 11, 2006 - 11:06:40 pm | | ray> | I hope I never have to live in one of those tin cans, I hate 'em. | | | ============================================================================ | | 21) Mon, Jun 12, 2006 - 4:51:54 pm | | Jake> | Glad to hear you anticipate a further 20. Sometimes you | sound as though you might "pop your clogs" at any time. | Well, none of us know when/if we might join the squashed | flies on the front of a truck, but "huzzah!" for you if | you don't have reason for thinking your days are numbered, | just yet. | | | ============================================================================ | | 22) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 1:50:09 am | | Eric> | Gregy, My motto, "If it ain't broke don't fix it for the | next guy" and "New isn't always better...particularly in | plumbing". If it's too hard to get at to fix...figure a way | to by-pass it and do it so it's easier to fix next time. | Today, engineers tend to ignore the need for repair.... | just toss it and buy a new one. | | ============================================================================ | | 23) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 1:55:42 am | | gregy> | Ray....hold IT.!!!!.....I'll have you know that I WUVVVVVVVVVvvvvv my | "tin can"...and...I would recommend similar for anyone who's "up to | it"...... | | | ============================================================================ | | 24) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 2:00:08 am | | gregy> | Jake....ahhmmmmm....these past 3 years have been somewhat painful ones, | for me,....with a bad reinjury first, then (a year ago, just as the | bad reinjury was getting healed) and different, but fairly disabling | new injury....which is now getting back to normal..... | ... | Other than that....I don't expect to die from anything I'm currently | afflicted with..... | .... | However....I don't intend to stay in this world ONE SECOND LONGER than | the Good Lord intends for me to stay. | ... | You won't find me dragging my heals, or saying, "I just have to finish | (this/that) first."...... | .... | Oh, no....when the moment comes......I'm outa here..... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 25) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 2:12:43 am | | gregy> | Eric....yeah...I'm with you.....but (youknewthiswascoming)..this ain't | fixin' it for the next guy....it's fixing it for myself, now, so I don't | have to fix it in the future (when I really AM old an grey)....for 20 | years I've lived in this trailer, "fixin'" one thing after another, and | now I need to finalize all those "fixins" and get the job done right | ..... | .. | Re: "bypass"....can't do that without having all kinds of things | dangling around underneath, or snaking around on the floor inside... | ... | This problem occurs in all trailers built before, about, 1979...they | put "black pipe" (steel pipe, used usually for gas distribution) in | for all the sewer drain pipes. This stuff will last for 45+ years... | but...but...when it finally DOES plug up....there's NO clearing it...so | ...you either do what you suggest (and which I've done on other | trailers)...bypass....or you dig it all out and replace it with PVC.... | ..... | I only had one chunk that terminally plugged, but....I'll be hanged if | I'll sit here for the rest of my life just waiting for "the other shoe | to drop"....especially when I KNOW all the rest of these pipes are in | pretty bad shape already..... | ...so....it's dig 'em and replace 'em..... | ...and...since the draining is half of the plumbing...and the water | pipes are more-or-less right there beside the drain pipes....and these | copper water pipes are old, multi-spliced, mis-routed....also...they're | being replaced, too.... | ... | So....as I said..."HomeOwners' Delight"...'cause it's SURRRRrrrrre a | true delight to finally get done with it..... | ... | Which I've got about 1/4 of it done, and I'm already getting a boost | just from having finished that much..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 26) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 2:15:22 am | | gregy> | As for "easier to fix next time"....yep...that's what this is ALLLLLLLL | about....if there ever IS a "next time"....it'll be a snap to fix what | little will be required..... | ... | And...being a former engineer....I well know the trend of "swap and | throw"....but....in this case....that'd be like telling me to "jack up | the steering wheel and drive a new car under it"..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 27) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 4:25:50 am | | gregy> | Read all four pages....they really do a good job of "whack-a-mole" on | this nutzo..... | | http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=d0235a70-33f1 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 28) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 5:17:04 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=704 | | | ============================================================================ | | 29) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 6:30:52 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/MaryKatharineHam/2006/06/12/200752.h | | | ============================================================================ | | 30) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 6:50:53 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15512 | | | | ============================================================================ | | Š 31) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 9:18:02 am | | ray> | Gregy, | | So how come you like trailers? I've always thought of them as | cramped, poorly insulated, prone to leak, hard to maintain and | almost imposible to modify. And ugly. | | | ============================================================================ | | 32) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 4:52:59 pm | | glennmcc> | Gregy, | | I see you're doing the job right by using PVC for the drain lines. | | Are you also doing the water line replacement the right way by | using CPVC instead of copper ? | | ============================================================================ | | 33) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 5:43:02 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Plastic piping is noisy and it's toughness deteriorates | as the temperatures decrease. AND, ALL plastic deteriorates with | time. Some plastic faster than others but none of it is as long | lasting as copper pipe. It requires a much harder freeze of a | copper water line to rupture it than required for plastic. | However, plastic piping is much easier and less expensive | to install. I am surprised that they would use black | iron piping for drainlines instead of galvanized piping. | What would be their reasoning....cheaper? | | | ============================================================================ | | 34) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 5:54:58 pm | | Eric> | Ray, You wrote: | | Re: "bypass"....can't do that without having all kinds of things | dangling around underneath, or snaking around on the floor inside... | | You can always use raised floors or covered raceways to hide plumbing | and electrical conduits, etc. which can be designed to make access | for repairs simple. Of course, if your 7 feet tall then raised | floors aren't such a good idea. | | ============================================================================ | | 35) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 5:57:53 pm | | Eric> | Correction: Last post #34 should have been to Gregy...somehow | Ray's name crept in there. | | ============================================================================ | | 36) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 6:06:09 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Do they use standard pipe sizes for drain pipe | or do the use smaller diameters do to space constrictions? | | | ============================================================================ | | 37) Tue, Jun 13, 2006 - 9:23:46 pm | | Eric> | I was just watching Frontline on PBS TV. They were showing | the situation in Iraq. What a mess. One wonders if there is | any chance of peace when one hears and sees the attitude of the | insurgents. It showed insurgents standing in the streets of | Bagdad lobbing mortars at US military installations while women | with groups of children were walking by and no one tried to even | stop them. It showed civilian contractors hung up from bridges | over the streets after they were first beheaded and dragged thru | the streets. It showed Iraqi citizens that were beheaded and left | in the streets with signs posted that "anyone who moved the bodies | would also have the same fate". This is civilization ?? :-( | | ============================================================================ | | 38) Wed, Jun 14, 2006 - 3:23:24 am | | gregy> | Glenn....copper...for reasons some of which Eric enumerated...plus my | long time experience with both CVPC and copper (I managed the trailer | court I previously lived it..and had to, sort of, maintain some of the | court-owned trailers)... | ... | Eric....nope....things gotta go back in the, more-or-less, same place | where they came out of (or were replaced in)...why..??...If you ever | wanna move it, especially at a "moments notice"....it's gotta be all | "together"...so that's possible... | ... | Ray....he he...."Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"..... | ... | Re: steel "Black Pipes"....instead of galvanized or iron....I don't | know....maybe because the steel lasts so long. These are the pipes they | use to distribute natural gas with....but.....but....once those joints | and fittings are in place for just a few years, they freeze solid..and | there is NO way to get them to turn....hence....cut 'em out... | ... | ..and....once they "plug" (as opposed to just get a slight blockage that | can be cleared with draino)...there is NO way to snake them....nothing | will go through what seems like concrete.... | ... | The diameter of the steel as opposed to the PVC...?? It's about the | same....the inside diameter, I mean.....the outside diameters are: | steel drain pipe == 1 1/4 inch outside diameter | PVC drain pipe == 1 1/2 inch outside diameter | ... | For temporary splicing (while your pulling/replacing the steel)..they | have rubber sleeves (with clamps) to transition between the two... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 39) Wed, Jun 14, 2006 - 3:27:48 am | | gregy> | Re: PBS ala Iraq....that sounds like some of their data is a bit "dated" | ... | ..but...hey....you shoulda seen the "mess" in Germany right after the | Second World War..........and it took many more years to get that | stabilized than it's so far taken in Iraq.... | .... | However...of course...."We can't win this....we gotta cut and | run...RIGHT NOW...!!!!"...."Bush lied, kids died"..."etc, etc, blah, | blah and baloney"... | ... | It's getting there and, as I said what back when, the Iraqis are VERY | competent and capable....I've worked with them.....we here have a | view of them that is somewhat narrow.....but...they're able...and it | looks like they're willing..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 40) Wed, Jun 14, 2006 - 3:45:50 am | URL | | gregy> | Eric...this will give you 250 good rebuttals to that PBS baloney... | ...see the "pitchers" | | http://www.fumento.com/weblog/archives/2006/05/my_photos_from.html | | | ============================================================================ | | 41) Wed, Jun 14, 2006 - 5:10:45 am | | Jake> | That pic page is as sanitized as 9/11 coverage not showing the streets | littered with body parts. Several months ago I provided a link to the | disgusting photos that troops in Iraq seem to enjoy taking. | | ============================================================================ | | 42) Wed, Jun 14, 2006 - 7:20:46 am | | gregy> | hmmm...but I THOUGHT he said that that was his goal..."To show some good | things about Iraq."....???? | ... | So, I don't think you're trying to say that that's illegal...are you.?? | .....< g g gg> | | | | ============================================================================ | | 43) Wed, Jun 14, 2006 - 7:35:04 am | | Eric> | Gregy, This didn't look like "PBS Baloney". This was not | supposed to be current news. It was a documentary by a news | reporter who came close to being killed/nabbed/kidnapped several | times. It was not a "one sided" presentation. It appeared to be an | honest attempt to present as true a picture as a reporter who was | a non-Muslem could. It showed interviews with some of the actual | insurgents discussing how they made the "road side bombs". It pointed | out that many of the people voting were insurgents who took a break from | their bombing/martyring activities just long enough to vote. It pointed | out how many different types of insurgents there are and how they | differ in their beliefs/attitudes. It showed some insurgents who | were against the terrorist bombing but only because it also killed too | many Muslems. Their attitude was that all non-Muslems should be beheaded. | | ============================================================================ | | 44) Wed, Jun 14, 2006 - 7:59:23 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I clicked on your link but I never saw any pictures | fro Iraq. | | ============================================================================ | | 45) Wed, Jun 14, 2006 - 9:27:20 am | URL | | Jake> | Eric, try here: http://www.fumento.com/iraq06/target0.html | | | ============================================================================ | | 46) Wed, Jun 14, 2006 - 9:50:49 pm | | Eric> | Thanks, Jake, That one worked. It's a shame that some of those | great pieces of architecture are being damaged and/or destroyed. | I saw a little of similar architecture when I was in Turkey for | a day. | | ============================================================================ | | 47) Thu, Jun 15, 2006 - 5:30:11 pm | | glennmcc> | I've seen similar stuff in 'photo essays' about New York city ghetos :( | | ============================================================================ | | 48) Thu, Jun 15, 2006 - 5:33:58 pm | | glennmcc> | And that includes bullet holes in the walls, burned-out cars, bombed | buildings, bars on the windows (or the window-openings that no longer | have glass becaise it was shot-out in a drave-by shooting), children | playing in gabage and children holding boxes of food given to them as | a 'care package' by some charity or some government agency. | | | ============================================================================ | | 49) Thu, Jun 15, 2006 - 5:35:34 pm | | glennmcc> | Democracy has finally made its way to Iraq. | | ============================================================================ | | 50) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 12:08:04 am | | Eric> | Hey Gregy, How's the plumbing progressing? I hope you | haven't caught anything on fire soldering those copper pipes. | Or dropped any of that plumbing stuff on your head. Seriously, | be careful, I've seen all that stuff happen. BTW, for copper | tubing, a flare fitting is always superior but usually reserved | for gas lines. I have had compression fittings forced apart on | copper pipe to plastic sink feed tubing by freezing when no one was | home. It caused serious flooding and burned out the the pump on the well. | | ============================================================================ | | 51) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 10:38:02 am | | gregy> | Eric....yes...all those caveats, and more, are being considered.. | ...have to.... | ..for the 20+ years I've owned this trailer...I've bandaided, patched, | jerry-rigged, worked-around.....and....in order to "do it right"..I | now must ponder, contemplate and design....so....that's added effort and | time... | ...Re:...soldering copper tubing.....nope...I never do that...I learned | better when I was managing that 20+ unit trailer court (we owned about | 12+ of the trailers).....I use only flared fittings or compressions | fittings, with some soft-plastic-tubing splice/join fittings - where I | think it's required and possible (mostly on cold water lines).... | ... | For "absent during winter"....I've found that it is absolutely required | to "shutOFF the water" when absent.....I've found ALL types of fittings | expanded/broke and even tubing/pipes/plastic pipes bulged/burst...so... | I've found that nothing will guarantee no-bursting/non-leaking like that | ole shutoff valve..... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 52) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 10:43:39 am | | gregy> | Because of the 20-years jerry-rigging....this project has to include the | whole of the trailer plumbing - water and sewer - so it's not just doing | the replacement on one chunk of drainpipe that plugged solid...and... | ..the jerry-rigging has lead to an initial progress/process of "one step | forward, two steps back"....which has slowed and complicated the job... | ... | However....1/4 of the project is finished (I thank GOD...!!!) and the | next 1/4 is lined-out and begun.....and the 1-up/2-back is beginning to | fade out, too...as my "clear the decks" process has weeded out the stuff | that was j-rigged/bandaided, that got in the way of getting on with the | main job.... | ... | So, 1/4 of "Homeowners' Delight" is down.....he he he | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 53) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 11:37:01 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I'm glad to here your at least making progress and | on a down grade, however small it may be. The smallest downgrade | beats any upgrade or the level even, when pushing/pulling a heavy | load. Re: Water shutoff - Your right. When no ones there the | correct procedure is shut off the pump/water main. But...most people | don't. Most people refuse to turn off the faucets where the | washing machine hoses attach, even though the directions tell | them not to leave them turned on. My friend who lived in one | of the fanciest subs of half a million (on up) dollar homes | had a basement with a computer workshop fill with equipment. He | also had two pug dogs which got shut up in the laundry room | on the first floor. While no one was there the dogs got frustrated | and chewed thru the washing machine hose which of course was | left turned on. Of couse it drained to the basement. When he | got home he had a major mess, If you have a crawl space where | water can drain without causing damage, it is wise to provide | some drainage thru the floor under sinks etc.if it can be done | without causing major heat loss. A little drainage can save a | lot of trouble in case of a small water leak. And small water | leaks always happen. | | ============================================================================ | | 54) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 12:07:47 pm | | gregy> | Eric....hey..!!!...."small minds, etc"........That's part of the | "clear the decks" pondering/designing process....drain holes in every | secton (under bathroom washbasin, bathtub, bedroom closet where it goes | thru to the washbasin, under kitchen sink, etc) where there might be a | water leak, plus a positive dam/dike system to keep the leaks in those | areas..... | ...but...but....BUT.....that normal human tendency to "not shutoff if | it's only for a bit"....THAT has to be defeated, and, in my redesigning, | the shutoff has to be the easiest thing going....that's just so I don't | get lazy when I finally reach-middle-age...... | ... | BTW...I haven't been on the computer since last Wednesday, and probably | won't be back on for another week, so y'all can heave a sigh of relief | that ya doan hafta put up with me for a while...... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 55) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 12:22:45 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, I have heard the TV/Radio plumbing guy talk about an | electric main water shutoff I believe. If your on your own | well pump, of course you can just put a shutoff switch | by the door or some other handy spot. Or you can switch off | the circuit breaker to the pump...but...eventually you will | need to replace the circuit breaker because their not really | designed to be switches. | | ============================================================================ | | 56) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 12:54:47 pm | | gregy> | Eric....nah..it's water mains...not a wellpump...so physical water valve | it is.......but...making that "effortless and lazyidiotproof" | are the key..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 57) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 1:29:25 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Remember that anything that could get damaged by a lack | of water has to be shut off also, eg. electric hot water tank | | | ============================================================================ | | 58) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 1:47:58 pm | | gregy> | yeah...but...stingy ole me ...has had the water heater on "manual | cutoff" for years.....and it only gets turned on when needed.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 59) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 2:09:58 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Nothing wrong with that except it can lead to some | cold showers for lack of warmup time. And of course, Your | memory has to be in top shape. | | ============================================================================ | | 60) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 5:18:30 pm | | ray> | Me, I'll stick with solder. When we freeze a pipe here, the solder | joints usualy just expand and can be redone easy as pie. I don't trust | plastic preasure pipes. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 61) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 5:53:25 pm | | glennmcc> | Myself... I have used nothing but cpvc for water lines since 1971 | | To-date... not so much as a single problem. | | ============================================================================ | | 62) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 10:08:04 pm | | ray> | Up here seems to me there's been waranty and reliability trouble | with plastic. The stuff that plumbs my parent's place is no longer | made, you can't buy the couplings etc. and it's only about 20 | years old, I hate that sort of out-in-the-cold with dropped product. | Copper is always around. Dunno, maybe they finaly have something | that will stick with us, I don't do enough plumbing to find out and | for now at least with copper I know what I'm getting -- 50+ years | of predictable service. | | | ============================================================================ | | 63) Tue, Jun 20, 2006 - 10:42:01 pm | | glennmcc> | 35+ years ain't good enough to suit you ???? | | | ============================================================================ | | 64) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 6:58:56 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, If your house only lasts 35yrs is that good enough? | I know, people are so mobile nowadays, as long as it lasts while | they are the owners then that's good enough. How many people today | really expect their offspring to be living in their home after | they have passed away? | | ============================================================================ | | 65) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 10:02:02 am | | glennmcc> | The cpvc water lines I installed 35yrs ago are still in | exactly the same condition as the day I installed them. | | Are copper water lines installed 35 days ago still in the exact same conditi | | Or have they begun to corrode from exposure to water ? | | ============================================================================ | | 66) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 2:01:45 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Copper piping or copper anything is extremely durable. | It doesn't rust or corrode away like steel in most uses. If it | were installed in some extrordinary way or in an application | where electolytic corrosion caused by electrolytes and dissimilar | metal contact can occur then it could deteriorate. Otherwise, I | can personally vouch for "clean as a whistle" "good as the day | installed" condition after 54-55 years. I have yet to see any | plastic that can say that. I have some old plastic cpvc water | pipe that is ten to fifteen years old and it has aged. It is | still OK and looks pretty good but it is not as tough as when | it was new. As a chemist it can tell you that the cross-linking | of the polymers tends to deteriorate and thus the toughness | decreases. | | | ============================================================================ | | 67) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 2:16:45 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, If a copper pipe is screwed/threaded into a steel pipe or | coupling then electrolytic corosion will occur. This often happens | when hot water tanks are improperly installed. I takes a long time | like 20-30 yrs. in my experience, but a slow occlusion of the | internal pipe orfice occurs. It occurs locally near the joint | in question and is mostly in the steel pipe or coupling. The surface | oxidation or corrosion provides a protective coating on copper | when it occurs. | | ============================================================================ | | 68) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 3:04:15 pm | | glennmcc> | Obviously you have never seen the copper pipes used in this area of the coun | | The well water around here is as hard as a rock, loaded with sulfur, maganes | iron, and many other minerals, and is quite acid whith an average PH of 5.5 | | In just the 35 days mentioned above... there is visible sign of corrosion. | | In many cases, within 5yrs the acidity has eaten completely through the | pipes from the inside out. | | But as I say... the cpvc pipes are still in the same condition as they | were when installed 35 years ago. | | ============================================================================ | | 69) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 3:08:21 pm | | glennmcc> | As an example of how bad the water is around here.... | where I work at Carter Plumbing, we sell salt for use in water softeners. | | How does 2 million pounds per year sound for BAD WATER ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 70) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 3:12:53 pm | | glennmcc> | Even the 'city water' ain't so great. | | 15 to 20 gpg hardness, 0.25 to 0.50 ppm of iron, 9.0 to 9.5 ph | (high ph due to tons of pottash injected to counter-act the effects | of the exteamly high amount of chlorine that's being used) | | ============================================================================ | | 71) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 4:54:55 pm | | ray> | Can argue with that -- copper will be decidedly inferior to | plasitc where the acidity is high. Here the water is as soft as | a baby's bum. | | | ============================================================================ | | 72) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 9:06:22 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, That's not water your talking about...your | running a chemical plant...big difference...although | plastic isn't totally immune to high/low pH it is more | durable than copper when electrolysis is at work. I bet | they sell a lot of bottled water around you...... | or do the locals get used to tap water and think that | bottled water is too bland? I have been all over these | United States and Canada and I have drunk local water | where ever I've been. Sulfur doesn't tend to improve | the desirability of water! Although, there are those | who will ascribe to it's medicinal qualities. | | | ============================================================================ | | 73) Wed, Jun 21, 2006 - 10:19:48 pm | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15655 | | | ============================================================================ | | 74) Thu, Jun 22, 2006 - 5:09:26 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Just now added to........ | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/global_warming/ | | ============================================================================ | | 75) Fri, Jun 23, 2006 - 11:36:35 am | | gregy> | It's amazing how these crapheads can keep on harping/hyping this fraud | ...and...it HAS to be a deliberate fraud, at least on the part of the | "leaders".....because THEY are "eeeduuucratered" and MUST know their | data and "computer models (aka gigo)" are phoney... | .... | ..so...just as with the ban-DDT baloney-artists, these deserve to be | brought to justice for their "crimes against humanity"....too..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 76) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 1:59:21 pm | | ray> | From what I've read, they now have reached concensus that the | models are indeed quite inacurate. Obviously it takes time to | compare model predictions with actual data, so this conclusion | had to take some time, didn't it? And given that modeling the | atmosphere is such an overwhelingly difficult task, I for one | am not surprised that they don't have it perfect yet. Now, since | these models are just extensions of the whether forcasting models | that have been in use for some time, and since you think those who | are trying to model the entire atmosphere should be tried ( and | I suppose executed) for the errors in their models, do you also | propose to execute weathermen who give bad forcasts? (Note they are | doing exactly the same thing in principal as the former, and | the failures in their forcasts are also due to imperfect modeling.) | | | ============================================================================ | | 77) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 2:04:07 pm | | ray> | Or perhaps we could be lenient with the local weathermen, restrict | their punishemnt to time behind bars, and just ban all computerised | forcasting until such times as the models are demonstrably perfect? | | | ============================================================================ | | 78) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 2:27:31 pm | | glennmcc> | Nope, no leniency......... HANG 'em ALL !!!! | | | ============================================================================ | | 79) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 4:50:07 pm | | Jake> | Can we start with Arnie? | | Dubya's starting to honk the same goose, so he's in line too. | | And if suicide is an act of war, when's Rumpfeeler gonna retaliate? | | The UK Met Office spends $$$s on Cray superpooters for weather forecasting | which must have a trickledown effect (no pun intended). Where d'you draw | the line on blue sky research? (Again, no pun intended.) Private industry | and philanthropy is never gonna fund CERN. | | ============================================================================ | | 80) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 7:08:14 pm | | ray> | Yeup, Gregy's gotta tell us who gets the 'crimes against humanity' | trial and who it alowed to continue their research even though | they don't have it perfect yet. And, I suppose it goes without | saying that true blue right-wingers are alowed to make mistakes | because we know that their hearts are pure? Or is it that TBRW'ers | never make mistakes because they don't belive in research in | meteorology to begin with? | | BTW news flash from Kanistan: A bunch of our biggest CEO's, including | the big tuna's of some of our biggest oil companies, coal companies | and mining companies recently finished a conference in which they | concluded that not only should CO2 emissions be reduced by the 6% | asked for by Kyoto, but that they should infact be recuded by 60% | (sic) and that doing so need not impact our standard of living | except positively. I dunno, but that's what *they* said ... the | progies. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 81) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 7:13:50 pm | | ray> | Speaking of progies, the lions share of our meteorologists recently | adviced our PM that, yes, previous, tentative model based predictions | have been wrong, esp. regarding lower atm. temps (NOT surface temps). | However they reafirmed the need for continued research in this | area and said that global warming is real even though the cause | might be largely due to solar variation not C02. | | But Gregy would probably advise me to ignore their de-empasising | CO2 because these people are known to have bad motives and to | be deliberate liars. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 82) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 7:42:46 pm | | glennmcc> | Of-course they are going to reafirm the need for continued research. | | That's where their money is coming from. | | If they admitted the truth... their 'free meal ticket' would be taken away. | | There is one simple truth that no-one seems willing to admit to. | | The future CAN NOT be predicted. | | Nothing about the future... least of all anything to do with mother nature. | | ============================================================================ | | 83) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 9:01:23 pm | | ray> | Disagree, weather forcasting up here is getting so good that it's | almost not a joke anymore -- you can actualy trust the 3 day forcast | and even the 5 day is right most of the time. | | | ============================================================================ | | 84) Sat, Jun 24, 2006 - 10:13:10 pm | | glennmcc> | Prove it. | | Post the 3 amnd 5 day forcasts as-of tomorow morning. | | Then at the end of each day for the next 5 days, post what really | happened on each day. | | I have been keeping track for all of this month. | | So-far.... 21 wrong.... 3 right. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 85) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 4:05:07 am | | Jake> | Must be the effect of all that global warming | | ============================================================================ | | Š 86) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 2:55:12 pm | | glennmcc> | Wrong again for today. | | Updated figure....... 22 wrong.... 3 right. | | | ============================================================================ | | 87) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 8:08:32 pm | | anonymous> | It's not the extreme right or left that will take us to hell in a hand baske | | It's the vast, indifferent middle. | | | ============================================================================ | | 88) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 8:10:36 pm | | anonymous> | Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor | and campaign funds from the rich. | | ============================================================================ | | 89) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 8:11:19 pm | | anonymous> | The old believe everything, | the middle-aged suspect everything, | the young know everything. | | ============================================================================ | | 90) Sun, Jun 25, 2006 - 10:28:46 pm | URL | | gregy> | ..but... | | the "approaching middle-age" are just wiley, cunning and wise... | | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/26/wross26.xml& | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 91) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 2:15:55 am | | Jake> | Hey, we know you have at least "functional Arabic" and are in the | right neck of the woods. Convince us that's not you (in drag or not). | | ============================================================================ | | 92) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 11:36:33 am | | Eric> | Jake, He could tell us but....(well, you know the rest!) | Ignorance is bliss! | | ============================================================================ | | 93) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 4:40:18 pm | | ray> | Anon is close to wisdom but I must quibble: it IS the extremists who | will *take* us to hell but it is indeed the vast, indifferent middle | who will permit it to happen. | | All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 94) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 4:52:15 pm | | ray> | Hell of a gal! | | But Jake, don't be gullible here, things ain't what they seem. | That's not Gregy in drag. I'll bet that 'Sgt. Gregy Feig' is just | one of that ladys noms de guerre which she uses to smoke out | terrorists -- in this case, she's unmasked Eric and me as proggies. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 95) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 8:40:25 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Did you mean froggies or proggies...if the later what is | your definition of proggy? I think you may be misrepresenting me! | | | ============================================================================ | | 96) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 9:45:17 pm | | ray> | Na, 'proggies' or however Gregy spells it. I'm still not quite sure | what it means exactly but people who do atmospheric research, people | who don't eat DDT, who have reservations about Gitmo, who vote | Democrat ... are all progies < g g g g > | | | | ============================================================================ | | 97) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 9:47:02 pm | | ray> | Even that skookum lady might be a progy since she said she isn't | a Republican. | | | ============================================================================ | | 98) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 11:36:13 pm | | gregy> | She's what used to be known as "a Montana Democrat"........we've | all hadda shift our stance since the demoncrats sold out to the far out | freakos (of whatever fanaticism they might be)..... | ... | Proggy-Lib....rhymes with froggy-legs........progressive-liberal | ..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 99) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 11:39:51 pm | | gregy> | And...if...IF (mind you) I ever chanced to run into any Jihado-nazis on | the net....of course...I'd take that opportunity to "do them in"... | ...in fact...it is my sworn duty to do so.....retired military (as | opposed to those who just serve and get out before their retirement | date)...retired military are STILL military....for the rest of their | lives... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 100) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 11:44:49 pm | | Eric> | Well, I am definitely not a progressive liberal...not by | any stretch of anyone's imagination. | | ============================================================================ | | 101) Mon, Jun 26, 2006 - 11:59:14 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Yes, SIR! I had an uncle who was a retired LT. COL. and | ex-Provost Marshall who taught Military Science at, I think, Broward | College, in the Fort Lauderdale, Fl area. I know what you mean. | | ============================================================================ | | 102) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 2:02:30 am | | gregy> | yeah...so...whether or not we're on duty, "we're always on duty."... | ... | Forever and ever, amen..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 103) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 4:50:04 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.Frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23110 | | | ============================================================================ | | 104) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 3:35:50 pm | | ray> | | Ah! Proggy == progressive, should have figured that out myself. | | "Montana Democrat" ... that sounds like a good thing. Sober, clean | air, clean mind, self reliant but still compasionate and kind, hard | working and prosperous but not big money, progressive but not | so arrogant as to screw around with basic institutions -- that's what | comes to mind. | | Gregy, is it litteraly true that if you retire from the military, | as opposed to serving your time and heading back to civilian life, | that you have a different status? ... or are you just refering to | a different frame of mind? | | Eric, Ok so you're not a progressive, pardon my assumtion. | Me, I am progressive because I can't imagine any alternative. It isn't | possible for mankind to remain static, so if we aren't progressing, | we're going backwards. That's what the taliban want, to return to | the middle ages, interesting to see the same basic mentality in | their most hated enemys. To me, all 'regressives' are basicaly | of the same type of mind (though I'd rather live with Gregy's | version ;-) | | OTOH, there are 'progressives' who have lost any kind of moderation | or humility or even common sense. I hate to share the same label | with them. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 105) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 3:36:16 pm | | ray> | test | | | ============================================================================ | | 106) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 3:36:43 pm | | ray> | test | | ============================================================================ | | 107) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 4:54:33 pm | | glennmcc> | Both of your test posts failed to get through. | | ============================================================================ | | 108) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 9:24:24 pm | | ray> | Ha Ha ;-) | | I wonder if it was something in the litteral text I sent? | Let's see if it happens again: | | | | ============================================================================ | | 109) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 9:28:40 pm | | ray> | | 104) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 3:35:50 pm | | ray> | | Ah! Proggy == progressive, should have figured that out myself. | | "Montana Democrat" ... that sounds like a good thing. Sober, clean | air, clean mind, self reliant but still compasionate and kind, hard | working and prosperous but not big money, progressive but not so | arrogant as to screw around with basic institutions -- that's what | comes to mind. | | Gregy, is it litteraly true that if you retire from the military, as | opposed to serving your time and heading back to civilian life, that | you have a different status? ... or are you just refering to a | different frame of mind? | | Eric, Ok so you're not a progressive, pardon my assumtion. Me, I am | progressive because I can't imagine any alternative. It isn't possible | for mankind to remain static, so if we aren't progressing, we're going | backwards. That's what the taliban want, to return to the middle ages, | interesting to see the same basic mentality in their most hated | enemys. To me, all 'regressives' are basicaly of the same type of mind | (though I'd rather live with Gregy's version ;-) | | OTOH, there are 'progressives' who have lost any kind of moderation or | humility or even common sense. I hate to share the same label with | them. | | ============================================================================ | | 110) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 9:29:06 pm | | ray> | Hmmm, no problem there. Who knows. | | | ============================================================================ | | 111) Tue, Jun 27, 2006 - 10:28:11 pm | | glennmcc> | posts #109 and #110 still did not get through | | | ============================================================================ | | 112) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 5:53:59 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, What are you trying to get posts #109 & #110 thru? | | ============================================================================ | | 113) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 5:55:46 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, Maybe thru the eye of a needle? | | ============================================================================ | | 114) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 6:12:48 am | | gregy> | Ray....yes, it is literally true....I have a permanent Military ID card | that expires on the day that I do..... | ... | However, if I'd just "done my time" (anything less than the 20 years | needed for retirement)...I'd just be "prior service"....no permanent | connection/affiliation with the military....but...as retired...I'm | "still in"...though not call-up-able...unless in a national emergency, | and then only until I'm 72..... | ... | FWIW...they have been, and are, soliciting voluntary callups from some | of the younger retired, who have needed skills, such as combat MOS | (MilitaryOccupationSpecialty) instructors and Instructor instructors | (both of which I am)....and my combat MOSes are in highly needed | Cavalary Scout and M1A1 Abrams Tank.... | ... | A couple years ago, I could have volunteered (up until I was 62) and | thought about doing so. I only skated out, anyway. Another senior | NCO and I were scheduled for mandatory retirement (60 years old) for | the end of September 2001....guess what happened on the 11th...???? | ... | So, our retirement would have been placed on "hold" if our unit, here | in Havre, had gotten activated before we were retired.... | ... | But...the unit immediately east of us, the unit immediately south of us, | the unit immediately west of us (there is NO unit north of us, only the | Canadian border)...these units were activated....we weren't....so... | Errol's and my retirements went as scheduled.....and then, about 12 | months later, EVERYYYYYYbody got activated..... | ... | Oh, well....we old guys "keep the home fires burning"........and | do what we can to support the troops while they're "over there"...and | we welcome them home when they return... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 115) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 7:02:43 am | | ray> | Interesting. It seems somehow 'unbeureaucratic' to make such a | distinction vis. retirement vs. 'prior service' but it makes very | good sense too. There is a big difference in practice between a | draftee or even a volunteer who isn't realy a life time soldier and | a guy like you who is indeed a lifer. | | So you are familiar with the 'A1 ? That sounds like fun. | | | ============================================================================ | | 116) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 7:49:10 am | | Eric> | Ray, From what I've been told from others, tanks aren't | much fun. | | ============================================================================ | | 117) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 7:50:17 am | | gregy> | It's not burocracy...it's "status"...I mean....those who are lifers | (i.e. spent 20 years or more) are given retirement benefits, and are | automatically entered into "permanent" military category...all who stay | in for 20+years know this is coming....... | ... | RE: M1A1...hmmmm....well, you COULD say an M1A1 Tank Platoon Sergeant, | Primary/Secondary MOS Instructor, TankCrewEvaluator Qualified, Tank | Commander Course Instructor Qualified, Instructor-instructor is sort | of "familiar" with that tank.... | ... | Ah...fun...???....hmmmm....it was just another "new job"...when I went | into it from Cavalary Scout MOS....but...but...I fell in love with that | tank,....the first time on the firing range, when I locked onto a hard | target (abused former model tank), and the instructor told the Tank | Commander to "bound" (bound means to blast at maximum speed out from | behind hull-down cover into a new "hide" position)....and we took off | like a rocket...!!! | ... | I was amAZED..!!!...my sight cross-hairs stayed locked on the target, | all the while we were bouncing around on the terrain...I was SOOOoooo | impressed, ecstatic, etc....that I almost forgot to touch the round off | .........however...the student acting as TC (Tank Commander) on | that run, kicked me in the shoulder to wake me up, and, just before we | went back behind another hill (where our gun tube would have been | blocked) I popped the round....needless to say...I couldn't miss...the | tank did all the work..... | ... | I realized then...that that was where I'd ALWAYS wanted to be on the | battlefield....safe behind a hill, with just my optics peeking over, | until I spotted an enemy tank, lock on him, blast out at 60mph, pop him | and duck back out of sight, with no one being able to lock on me do to | my speed and dodging...and drop back down into another hide position | to do the same thing..... | ... | I survived 10 years in the southeast asia war zones, and combat in an | M1A1 was the first time I EVER really enjoyed it.... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 118) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 8:01:20 am | | Jake> | I've got a WWII book of cartoons. There's one of someone's mother | visiting him in hospital, and saying: "But I thought you'd be safe | in a tank!" | | British tanks weren't much good, leading to the adoption of the | expression "brewing up", for the wisps of smoke before the turret | was blown off, like a kettle's lid jiggling to let the steam out. | | ============================================================================ | | 119) Wed, Jun 28, 2006 - 1:26:53 pm | | ray> | Gregy, yeah, I *suppose* we can call that 'familiar' ;-) | | But they say a tank isn't a nice place to die esp. those lousy | British tanks and the 'Ronson' ie the Sherman, they cranked them | out like tin cans and just overwhelmed the panzers with sheer numbers. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 120) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 4:59:54 am | URL | | Eric> | Is anyone familiar with this program? | | http://www.techspot.com/downloads/50-newsletter.html | | | | ============================================================================ | | 121) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 7:28:41 am | | Jake> | Ah, the hype about Skype? Never used it, but eBay bought them | out for gazillions. You can buy a phone to make it easier/better | to use these VOIP services. Users hear some odd effects when | packets collide. | | ============================================================================ | | 122) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 6:27:42 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/index.php?p=148 | | ============================================================================ | | 123) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 6:31:19 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/index.php?p=99 | | | ============================================================================ | | 124) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 8:14:46 pm | | ray> | So, the Supreme Court thinks that the rule of law should apply | even at Gitmo! Good to know that Magna Carta isn't totaly dead even in | Bushland. | | | ============================================================================ | | 125) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 9:12:14 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Jake, Thanks for the info on Skype. Sure is hard | to know when your getting good info. BTW, is anyone else | noticing a misalignment of the cursor on this page with the | Nick, Email & URL boxes at times? | | ============================================================================ | | 126) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 9:37:23 pm | | ray> | Eric, If it's with my core, I've noticed that too, but it's so | infrequent that I've not been able to pin it down yet. Almost | surely something I did tho. If you can replicate it reliably please | let me know and I'll track it down. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 127) Thu, Jun 29, 2006 - 9:48:14 pm | | gregy> | Ray...Re: 124.....errmmmm...just what "rule of law" were you referring | to....???? | ... | You mention the Magna Carta...???....care to quote some of it, so those | not familiar with it will know exACTly which clauses of Magna Carta you | think SHOULD apply to Gitmo....??? | .... | We'll discuss this further, if you'll do that....so far...you've only | made some vaguly disparaging comments about how those POOR widdle | detainees are being treated.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 128) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 1:17:10 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.clearlight.com/%7Emhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html | | | ============================================================================ | | 129) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 3:04:06 am | URL | | Jake> | Monte cites emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases from human sources | as greenhouse gases (though with minimal effect). Should he therefore be | shot with the rest of `em, or has your position changed? | | | ============================================================================ | | 130) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 12:49:03 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Ok, I'll dig up a readable version. However, don't mistkake my | upholding of the *principal* of rule by law for anything like | sympathy for the Gitmostanis. We 'rule of law' types think that | *everyone* is entitled to basic legal protections like: | | -no incarceration without (speedy) trial. | -right to know the case against you | -right to make a defence. | -freedom from cruel or unusual punishment | | etc. | | ... but once those fundamentals are taken care of, as they were at | Neuremburg, heck hang the bastards. | | | ============================================================================ | | 131) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 12:52:38 pm | | ray> | Also 'treatment' isn't the issue, due process is the issue. It doesn't | change my view one bit if I find out that Camp Delta is a Club Med. | The fact remains that the inmates have none of the fundamental rights | that all civilized countries respect. What is at stake here is | America's principals, not the fate of those creeps. | | | ============================================================================ | | 132) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 1:02:29 pm | | ray> | As I understand it, the water vapor effect is exactly why the GW people | are so concerned with the 'runaway'. Since a hoter planet will have | a more humid atmosphere, and since a more humid atmosphere will, | as that page showed, increase the GHE, even a small boost | in temp due to CO2 could end up magnifying itself via the | coresponding increase in H2O. An unstable positive feedback loop! | Hard to model but cause for concern. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 133) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 4:59:43 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | The situation at guantanamo bay is nothing new. | | We did it before, | we are doing it now, | and we will do it again in the future. | | http://www.postonproject.org/generalHistory.htm | | If there is one thing that we can learn from history, it is that humans | are destined to continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. | | ============================================================================ | | 134) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 6:29:46 pm | | ray> | Different situation entirely. We interned our 'Japs' too, but they | had private houses, were subjected to almost no interogation, were | told they would be released at the end of the war (and were), they | lived almost 'normal' lives inside the camps, with schools for the | kids, no families were broken up. The internees were not considered | to be 'enemy combatants' or any such but the government could not risk | a 5th column when invasion was a real posiblilty. | | The action was taken because it was truely necessary in time of war | (a 'real' war, with a | decleration etc.) To compare the internment of the Japanese with | Gitmo is a bit of a streach. OTOH, there are similarities too, | like the suspension of normal liberty and of some human rights. But | no one tried to claim that the internees were legal non-entities, | subject to whatever treatment the government felt like handing out, | with no rights whatsoever. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 135) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 6:34:39 pm | | glennmcc> | A guilded cage... no mater how nice... is still a cage. | | The point I was trying to make is the the principle is the same. | | Again, it's the same situation as when we hearded the native Americans | onto 'Indian resevations'. | | As I said.... | | We did it before, | we are doing it now, | and we will do it again in the future. | | | ============================================================================ | | 136) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 6:44:07 pm | | ray> | Principles matter, that's for sure, and of course there were | principaled similarities, but I maintain that the great | difference is that there was no *total* removal of the rights | of the internees, as at Gitmo. | | | ============================================================================ | | 137) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 9:53:56 pm | | glennmcc> | Are we talking about the same thing here ? | | By "Gitmo", do you mean "guantanamo bay" ? | | ============================================================================ | | 138) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 11:24:09 pm | | gregy> | well...just what "rights" do you think the Gitmosazis are "entitled" to | ...?? | ...under what/who's "rule of law"....??? | ... | surely you aren't making the specious claim that they are "entitled" | under the Geneva Conventions, are you....??? If so...I will laugh with | disparagement at your brainwashed state.... | ... | About the only thing they are "entitled" to is to not be tortured, not | summarily executed (which we have never proposed), and some kind of | administrative hearing about whether they were captured "in flagrant | delectro".... | ... | We were about to review most of their cases by administrative hearings | (aka tribunals)...but...hey...!!! So much for that..!!!...the good ole | AncientCommieLieyersUnion shot them in the head (so much for "their" | friends) over that, with this Hamdan case... | ... | FYI....we've released some over the past couple years....and...just what | we thought....!!! We ended up subsequently killing or capturing them | a second time...because the little "innocents" went back to their | terrorist ways and got back into the fray... | ... | So,...if YOU wanna have a couple of the little "what?? me terrorist???" | creepos...as house guests....just so's you can give them all the rights | you think they are "entitled" to...well...be our guest...!!! | I suggest you apply to the Department of State for custody of a few.. | ...and...see whether they give 'em to you for safe keeping... | ... | As far as I'm concerned...you, or anyone else who's whining about their | "rights" are welcome to receive them...and take care of the poor little | (we're ALL innocent) abused peaceful jihadonazis..... | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 139) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 11:33:05 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...yes....he's taking about Gitmo/Guantanamo Bay in Cuba... | ... | And...FWIW...your info about the "horrible" internment conditions of the | Japanese is flawed....sorry...you're usually so clued in that I'm sorta | ashamed to hafta call you on this.... | ... | Please check the FACTS..!!! | ... | And...FWIW...ALL the then liberal Libs were intensely approving of that | internment....including....inCLUDing...the great, ole AckLOO....the | only ones who protested on the Japanese-extraction American internees | was one...ONE minor branch of the ACLU, that of the Pacific Northwest.. | ... | The REST of ALL the Libs (AncientCommieLieyersUnion, | NationalLieyersGuild, etc)...were right in their hollering for their | incarceration..... | ...and..of course...this was 'cause all those commie traitors were now | involved in the "great crusade" to defend their "Uncle Joe"... | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 140) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 11:54:32 pm | | glennmcc> | We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, | that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, | that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. | | ============================================================================ | | Š 141) Fri, Jun 30, 2006 - 11:58:20 pm | | glennmcc> | ...your info about the "horrible" internment conditions of ... | | When did _I_ ever say _anything_ about what the conditions were like ??? | | All _I_ did was to point-out that we are doing it again. | | So I will repeat.......... | | We did it before, | we are doing it now, | and we will do it again in the future. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 142) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 12:07:34 am | | glennmcc> | The _claim_ is that the "detainees" are guilty of terrorist acts or of | 'harboring terorists'. | | Where is the proof of these alagations ? | | Where and when have any hearings or trials been held to present any | evidecne that the alegations may or may not be true ? | | It seems that McCarthyism is still alive and well in the good 'ol U S of A | | Guilt by association. | | Guilty until proven innocent. | | Held without trial for years and years and years. | | Is _THAT_ the type of principle you went to war to defend ????? | | ============================================================================ | | 143) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 12:23:01 am | URL | | glennmcc> | Or did you go to war to defend _these_ types of principles ???? | | http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html | | We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, | establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defen | promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselve | our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United Stat | America. | | ============================================================================ | | 144) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 12:28:53 am | | glennmcc> | Notice the next two words after "more perfect union".... | | Do you actually believe that justice is being served at guantanamo bay. | | Are the "blessings of liberty" being secured for those whom have not | been proven to have been guilty of a crime which would result in the | removal of said liberty ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 145) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 12:32:00 am | URL | | glennmcc> | Are the principles set-down in this document being upheld at guantanamo bay | | http://www.constitution.org/eng/magnacar.htm | | ============================================================================ | | 146) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 12:33:30 am | | glennmcc> | And what about the principles set-down in this one ??? | | http://www.sojust.net/documents/emancipation_proclomation.html | | ============================================================================ | | 147) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 12:36:50 am | URL | | glennmcc> | _THOSE_ are the priciples by-which we lead our lives and by-which we | guide our actions toward others. | | _NOT_ by the principles set-down in this one. | | http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/ | | | | ============================================================================ | | 148) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 12:41:58 am | | glennmcc> | Or am I m,istaken ? | | _Did_ you actually go to war to defend _thias_ type of thinking ????? | | On November 9, 1923, in the fourth year of its existence, the National | Socialist German Workers' Party was dissolved and prohibited in the whole | Reich territory. Today in November, 1926, it stands again free before us, | stronger and inwardly firmer than every before. | All the persecutions of the movement and its individual leaders, all | vilifications and slanders, were powerless to harm it. The correctness of it | ideas, the purity of its will, its supporters' spirit of self-sacrifice, hav | caused it to issue from all repressions strong than ever. | If, in the world of our present parliamentary corruption, it becomes | more and more aware of the profoundest essence of its struggle, feels | itself to be the purest embodiment of the value of race and personality and | conducts itself accordingly, it will with almost mathematical certainty some | day emerge victorious from its struggle. Just as Germany must inevitably | win her rightful position on this earth if she is led and organized accordin | to the same principles. | A state which in this age of racial poisoning dedicates itself to the | care of its best racial elements must some day become lord of the earth. | May the adherents of our movement never forget this if ever the | magnitude of the sacrifices should beguile them to an anxious comparison | with the possible results. | | | ============================================================================ | | 149) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 12:42:48 am | | glennmcc> | We did it before, | we are doing it now, | and we will do it again in the future. | | ============================================================================ | | 150) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 6:35:12 am | | Jake> | Re #138 | I'd be mightily aggrieved if I'd been incarcerated, even if innocent. | Perhaps enough to tip me into striking back, rather than just holding | a grudge for the rest of my life. | | Rumsfeld says prisoners there are treated in compliance with the Geneva | Convention, "for the most part." The released Britons claim they were tortur | There's no sign yet of US agents "subsequently killing or capturing them | a second time." | | Ninety years ago today 20,000 Brits and thousands of other nationalities | were slaughtered on the Somme. I'm glad to be living in softer times. | | | ============================================================================ | | 151) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 8:46:01 am | | ray> | Mornin' gentlemen, | | 1st, Jake, happy 90'th, there are still holes in British families | where men used to be and of course we Canucks had an even higher | casualty rate, tho the absolute numbers weren't the same. | | Gregy, | | First, I note that I believe the internments *were* justified and | legaly proper so you can't use that against me. I disagree with | Glenn that that and Gitmo are usefuly comparable even though there | are similarities. As to the Gitmosazis, the rights that I think they | are entitled to are contained in the 'universal declaration of | human rights' which was signed by the USA -- that's LAW old | soldier! As to the Geneva Conventions, you formerly showed me that | they cannot properly be classed as POW's, point made. But no | human being is EVER a legal non-entity subject to whatever treatment | Rumsfeld feels like handing out. You say they are entitled to not | be tortured -- why not? Where does that 'entitlement' come from? | Is it a legal thing or just Rumsfeld's generosity? If a legal thing | then what law? If we know what law, then does that law not | recognise things like the right to know the case against one? | | And the ACLU didn't rule against Gitmo the United States Supreme Court | did, and one and all recognise the current court as CONSERVATIVE. | Good!!! Conservatives are supposed to believe in the rule of law, | leave the buggering around with basic rights to the Commies, if you | ask me. | | As to the jihadiis coming back to bite ya -- you have a tiger by the | tail here don't you? When you have held people without trial and without | rights for 4 - 5 years, if you DO eventualy release some of them, it | should surprise no one that they are a bit angry. | | (breakfast ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 152) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 9:04:17 am | | ray> | ... Gitmo is the biggest recruiting center for jihad in the whole | world. If you let those guys go, they are almost sure to resume | the fight against you, if you murder them, they bcome martyrs, | when you deny them basic rights, you make a mockery of the claim that | you stand for something better than they do. | | After 9-11 someone said something to the effect that the terrorists | might destroy American buildings but they would never destroy | American values. Right, the terrorsist can't but the terrorists | did give the American government the excuse they needed to -- themselves | -- start destroying American values. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 153) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 9:12:10 am | | ray> | There's only one way out -- America must practice the values that | she claims to represent. Sure that's tough in the short run, you'd | have to respect the law and release (or try) some bad dudes. OTOH, | no one could look at America and whip up hatred against her with the | quite justified charge of blatant hypocrisy. In the long run, you'd | be better off. | | Try to imagine that you were and Iraqi. Try to put the shoe on the | other foot. You are a hater of Sadam, but how do you feel about being | invaded by a foreign power? OK, so you live with it for a while but | one day you are rounded up in a sweep and end up in Gitmo. Four years | of living in a cage latter you still have no way of knowing what is | going to happen to you. Then one day you are let out. | | How do you feel? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 154) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 2:54:02 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | One last question. | | Are the ideals and priciples in the 342 pages of _this_ document | the representative of those you went to war to defend ???? | | http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.pdf | | ============================================================================ | | 155) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 7:04:38 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | (and all the rest of the canucks) | | Happy Canada day on your 139th 'birthday'. | | ============================================================================ | | 156) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 11:06:42 pm | | gregy> | Ray...yes...Happy Canada Day.... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 157) Sat, Jul 01, 2006 - 11:19:53 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...Jake...Ray...et al... | .. | Glenn...yes...there ARE documented cases where we sent some back to | Afghanistan and they were subsequently killed/captured fighting as | jihadzis....fact.... | ... | As for "closing Gitmo"...okay...and just what do you want to do with | the detainees...???? | .... | As for what laws apply to them....you cite "Universal Rights, etc"... | and much Brit/U.S. documents.....but....but....these jihadzis are ALL | "innocent"...they were all "just sightseeing" around and about terrorist | activities....but..they'll all "I never did anything"....hey..!!!... | Saddam never did, either..... | ... | ..and the 9/11 murders never did either...or the SpainBombers, either | ...or the LondonistanBombers either... | ... | They're all just as pure as the driven snow... | ... | So, let us intern them into YOUR living rooms....okay...??? | ... | | ... | Oh, and it is the ACLU that is agitating the Gitmo jihadzis and helping | them challenge the tribunals which were being set up to review their | cases....now...they don't have that option presented to them, do they.. | ????....so...the ACLU shot that down....was a real helpful action, was | it...??? | ... | As for them being covered by US law....no...no more than I'm covered by | Canadian law...nor is Ray covered by US law.... | .... | We can unilaterally extend to foreigners some of the protections of US | law...but..BUT that is entirely at our descretion....they are NOT US | citizens who are protected under the US constitution....so...any citing | of that document is invalid.... | ..and...AND...neither they nor their lieyers are entitled to demand that | the rights of US citizens be extended to them... | ... | Is this arbitrary...??? Not at all....any/every country sets its own | criteria for what gets extended to whom (of the foreigners in their | land)... | | | ============================================================================ | | 158) Sun, Jul 02, 2006 - 12:16:43 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597 | | | ============================================================================ | | 159) Sun, Jul 02, 2006 - 3:20:00 pm | URL | | gregy> | The third one down appears to possibly be a very serious incident..which | is now being actively investigated by the cognizant authorities. | | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060630/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_investigations_glanc | | You notice I am being circumspect...my name is "gregy"...not Crazy Uncle | Jack Murtha..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 160) Sun, Jul 02, 2006 - 3:23:19 pm | URL | | gregy> | This is a brief, preliminary coverage of that cited incident. | | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060702/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_investigation | | Without doing any "rush to judgement"...this reported incident (first | reported, by the way, by the U.S. Military, itself) is fully worthy of | immediate and intense investigation....which is being carried out... | | | ============================================================================ | | 161) Mon, Jul 03, 2006 - 5:36:00 pm | | ray> | Thanks Gents, and a fine long weekend it was, just got back from | a few days ocean swimming with various nices and nephews. New | nephew in law from Oz was worried that the seals might try to | eat him, just like we'd be worried that, down there, the sharks | would try to eat us. | | | ============================================================================ | | 162) Mon, Jul 03, 2006 - 9:18:52 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Point by point: | | - of course there are such cases. As I said, if you were in their | shoes, that's what you would do -- and with more hatred than ever | before. | | - Here's what you do with the detainees ... try them in something | that a civilized country would recognise as a court of law with | due process. If they can't be proven guilty, you release them, if | they can be proven guilty you sentence them to something apropriate -- | including death if the case warants it. | | *Naturaly* they claim to be inocent, who doesn't ?? But if you can | prove otherwise ... | | -We, and the Brits, *do* want our nationals back! We've asked | many times and you guys won't hand them over. | | -Never claimed that they were covered by the same laws a American | citizens, but they are covered by international law. If they are | not covered by any law, doubtless you agree that the converce is | also true -- any American out of uniform captured by Iraqis in Iraq | can be subject to whatever treatment those Iraqis choose to subject | them too, right? And you won't be critical, right? After all, if | they have no rights in your prisons, it's only natural that you have | no rights in theirs. Now they might *choose* to be nice, or maybe not, | just like Rumsfeld might or might not treat his prisoners but either | way, there's nothing to critisize. | | Baloney! If an American is arested in Canada he is aforded full | legal protection BY LAW, the same goes for foreigners in any | cizilized country. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 163) Mon, Jul 03, 2006 - 11:12:18 pm | | gregy> | Ray... | | "...not covered by any law, doubtless you agree that the converce is | also true -- any American out of uniform captured by Iraqis in | Iraq..." | ... | ummmm....well....he he....in or out of uniform seems to make no | difference to them....and don't broaden your classification to | "Iraqis"....it's the jihadzis...not the Iraqis.... | ... | That's the problem with your viewpoint...you want to treat them as | "criminals" with all the "legalities" nicely observed. We want to | just incarcerate them until we can figure out something else to do | with them.......just so's they're not "coming back at us" | again.... | We consider them to be, by their own choosing, proclamation and | behavior, as "outside the law"..... | ...and....they ARE being treated humanely....just not to THEIR legal | liking.... | ... | Also, you may want them "tried in what would be considered...etc" | ...considered by whom...??? Which kangaroo court style would you | suggest...??? | ... | If you suggest any of the American, Canadian or British styles... | forgeddaboudit..!!!.... | .. | You may want us to "confront them with the evidence" but we choose to | NOT allow them to get any handle on our intelligence info or sources | or procedures/programs.... | ...he he | ...we've already got waaayyyyy more than enough of our own home-grown | traitors leaking the details of our intelligence ops to them...we | don't need judicially mandated broadcasting, too.... | .... | Re: Baloney...well, that's because we're such "close neighbors"... | ...even though it sometimes sounds as if our northern flank is about | to invade us........or...allow another of our enemies to use | their soil to invade us.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 164) Mon, Jul 03, 2006 - 11:45:12 pm | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.aim.org/guest_column/4680_0_6_0_C/ | | | ============================================================================ | | 165) Tue, Jul 04, 2006 - 12:28:03 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50897 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 166) Tue, Jul 04, 2006 - 1:51:30 am | URL | | gregy> | .....:P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*.* | | http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15790 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 167) Tue, Jul 04, 2006 - 1:56:28 am | URL | | gregy> | ......:P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*.*...too | | http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15885 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 168) Tue, Jul 04, 2006 - 2:39:55 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://powerlineblog.com/archives/NYTSecretsS.jpg | | | | ============================================================================ | | 169) Tue, Jul 04, 2006 - 3:20:08 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowryprint012902.html | | | ============================================================================ | | 170) Tue, Jul 04, 2006 - 3:24:25 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://pajamasmedia.com/2006/07/the_notunprecedented_leak.php | | | ============================================================================ | | 171) Tue, Jul 04, 2006 - 9:47:18 pm | | ray> | Happy fourth Yanks! | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 172) Tue, Jul 04, 2006 - 10:12:27 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Well I dunno my man, I guess we just have different ideas about the | importance of the rule of law and of basic human rights. Hey, I know | this is one hell of a difficult situation, I'm not suggesting that | any of this is simple. However, I do salute the Supreme Court for | its decision (the proggys ;-) | | BTW you are right about Canada vis. terrorism, we might just be the | worlds softest country when it comes to that sort of thing. For the | Tamil Tigers, Canada is not only HQ, but primarly funding source, | safe house and reqruiting centre. The worlds terorists know they are | safe and secure in Kanistan because deporting them would hurt the | feelings of their compatriots, and that would be Politicaly Incorrect. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 173) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 2:32:12 pm | URL | | Jake> | The USA is one destination I'm going to avoid. | | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/07/05/dl0502 | | ============================================================================ | | 174) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 3:31:22 pm | | ray> | It is a bit off-putting to know that they will do with you whatever | they please. A few years ago, a Canadian citizen changing planes in | New York was arested and sent to Syria for a bit of torture, this in | spite of the fact that, by international agreament people changing | planes are not even considered to be 'in' the country in question | unless they leave the airport. Subsequent investigation has revealed | that there is nothing more substantial against this guy than | a distant guilt by association. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 175) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 4:28:47 pm | | Eric> | Re: Travelling to the USA | Jake, Are you cancelling a planned trip to the USA ? ... or ... | Are you afraid for reasons that we would describe a "5th amendment | rights?" (Can't tell for fear of self incrimination?) | | | ============================================================================ | | 176) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 6:06:03 pm | | Jake> | I'd probably be shot on sight, for wearing a pair of green trousers! | | ============================================================================ | | 177) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 7:01:10 pm | | ray> | Yup, even up here, that would ring alarm bells -- we don't want no | such people here neither ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 178) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 8:08:54 pm | | Eric> | Jake, Geeeez, what the h*ll are you, a leprechaun? For sure, | ain't no authorities over here going to shoot you just for the | green pants. However, if your a leprechaun then we have a lot | of looneys looking for the pot of gold that your rumored to be | hiding. One can't predict what they're likely to do. And, if you | were to accidently trip over the border into Canastan, well ... | as Ray says, they have some strange customs up there but you | could probably hang around with Red Green and be realatively | inconspicuous! | | ============================================================================ | | 179) Wed, Jul 05, 2006 - 8:59:07 pm | | ray> | Eric, my man you are a natural. I never thought of that, it's | all he'd need to say to not only get out of trouble but to be | welcomed with open arms. | | | ============================================================================ | | 180) Thu, Jul 06, 2006 - 2:10:01 am | | gregy> | ahhh....sanity returns to the MISC board...... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 181) Thu, Jul 06, 2006 - 2:37:42 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.reason.com/sullum/070506.shtml | | | ============================================================================ | | 182) Thu, Jul 06, 2006 - 4:02:35 am | URL | | gregy> | hmmmm...Jake...in light of how dangerous it's getting in YOUR neck of | the woods....I believe I'll postpone that scheduled jaunt to drop in | on you..... | | http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10389979 | | | ============================================================================ | | 183) Thu, Jul 06, 2006 - 4:35:45 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15910 | http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm | | | | ============================================================================ | | 184) Thu, Jul 06, 2006 - 4:43:03 am | URL | | Jake> | You just need to keep your Stan Laurel act finely tuned: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/uk_news/england/manchester/5153600.stm | | ============================================================================ | | 185) Thu, Jul 06, 2006 - 5:02:32 am | | gregy> | he he...that's a good one.........obviously, your lots lieyers | (aka "promoted to judges") are just as immune from ever admitting they | are wrong as our lots lieyers..... | ... | woe is us...!!! | ... | ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 186) Fri, Jul 07, 2006 - 10:26:56 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/51963?fulltext | | | | ============================================================================ | | 187) Fri, Jul 07, 2006 - 3:53:48 pm | | ray> | Most interesting. Needless to say you disagree with all of it, since | this guy uses computer models. Further, these models seem to be close | or identical to the ones the globwams use and he also impliclty says | he belives in GW himself ... shoot him. | | As for me, I think he might just be right; that bit about the | Rockys causing an upward prevailing wind off Europe is new to me, | but it makes perfect sense. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 188) Fri, Jul 07, 2006 - 6:58:48 pm | | ray> | Jake, | | Happy London bombing aniversary. FWIW a poll taken here of | young Muslims born in Kanistan revealed that 12% of them thought | the bombing was a good thing and that the perpetrators are | proper martyrs for Islam. Nice people. | | | ============================================================================ | | 189) Fri, Jul 07, 2006 - 7:29:41 pm | | Thank GOD for the good Christians> | http://crusades.boisestate.edu/ | http://www.kyrene.k12.az.us/schools/brisas/sunda/ma/1kyle.htm | http://www.mrdowling.com/606islam.html | http://historymedren.about.com/od/crusades/ | | | ============================================================================ | | 190) Fri, Jul 07, 2006 - 9:09:50 pm | | ray> | The difference is that 'we' (Christians) haven't behaved that way | for several centuries now ... at least not 'officialy' ... it's been | a while since anyone can recall some cleric telling the armies of | some creep to march off and slaughter the infidel in the name of | Christ. Even GWB is at pains to say that the Christians are not | trashing Iraq in the name of religion. | | | ============================================================================ | | 191) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 12:26:15 am | | gregy> | well...yeah....FWIW...there's lotsa other "religions" represented in the | US forces, too....so...your "Christians are not trashing...etc" wouldn't | really be applicable... | .. | and....FWIW...for the past 3 years...it hasn't been the Coalition that's | been "trashing" Iraq....so much as the "rejectionists" which include | old Baahtzis, jihadzis, plain-ole-crooks/thugs, and foreign meddlers.. | ... | More "trashing" occuring Islamic-group-to-group, than "crusaders"... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 192) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 12:35:19 am | | Jake> | http://www.waado.org/NigerDelta/Essays/Religion/Ibanga.html | | http://www.waado.org/NigerDelta/Essays/Religion/IbangaOnIslamAndXtianity.htm | | I think at least 12% of US AQC posters were in favour of nuking Afghanistan | following 9/11. It would be interesting to know the percentage of the US | population that tacitly or actively supported terrorism by the Republican IR | | | ============================================================================ | | 193) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 12:53:52 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008626 | | | ============================================================================ | | 194) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 12:58:11 am | URL | | gregy> | hmmm..."nuking Afghanistan"....??? | ... | I don't remember that...... | ... | I know you never heard me make such a rediculous statement/comment... | ... | In fact, right about directly after 9/11, as we prepared to go into | Afghanistan, I was burining up the phones with the State and Defense | Departments to get them to "for God's sake.!!!" prepare immediate | humanitarian aid to all the then-existent, and expected, refugees who | were going to be facing that hard winter up there..... | ... | Which, thank God, our government(s) did do..... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 195) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 1:00:56 am | URL | | gregy> | As for the IRA...I doanknow, Jake,....unfortunately...as LOT of former | Dem-pols...(Tip O'Neal, George Mitchell, the Dalys, etc) were into that | pandering to the worst of the Irish-vote in the US....but...I can tell | you, that the majority of the American people have NEVER supported that | .... | To most Americans, the IRA was just a particularily vicious terrorist | group.. | | | | ============================================================================ | | Š 196) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 1:49:18 am | | Jake> | And unfortunately it was vicious economics that led to results of the Potato | | The Republican IRA were at least fairly good about giving warnings when "eco | targets were about to be attacked. That may be a defining characteristic of | | ============================================================================ | | 197) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 1:51:59 am | | Jake> | These guys declared as terrorists by their opposition, use their incarcerati | train themselves for future power... in Northern Ireland and South Africa. | | ============================================================================ | | 198) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 2:58:02 am | | gregy> | I don't recall about the causes of the Potato Famine, except that it was | an enormous boondogle, blamed on the Brit government, which could have | done something (more??) to prevent/allievate it.... | .. | I'm not sure that recollection of mine is correct, though....I might be | "slipping into middle-age"....... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 199) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 9:24:28 am | | ray> | Gregy, | | re 191, you read me to close there I was deliberately oversimplfying | and being a bit tonuge in cheek. My point is that, broadly speaking, | the US is a Christian power and not afraid to break any and all | international laws in persuit of it's objectives but even then, the | US is at pains to point out that it is NOT engaging in a religious | war whereas the jihadii's (and a huge number of 'normal' Muslims) | are quite open about their support for a frankly religious | war in which the whole world becomes umma and all non-Muslims die. | | The Potato Famine was caused by a disease which wiped out the crop | for two years and since the British government at the time believed | that free market economics was the only possible way of looking at | the situation, and since the Irish had no money -- they starved. | Sending them aid would have been nothing but an interference with | the free market and would have done more harm than good and would | have been tantamount to proggy socialism. | | | ============================================================================ | | 200) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 5:32:50 pm | | Eric> | PBS TV just had a historical program on the Potato Famine saying | essentially what Ray just said. It was on within the last 2-3 days | here in Detroit area. Chances are it will be repeated. | | ============================================================================ | | 201) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 5:43:35 pm | | Eric> | Has anyone else just received an email with an attachement named | "hearta01.pps". It is supposed to describe what one should do | to survive a heart attack if one has a heart attack and is all | alone. It was forwarded to me from sources I don't recognise. | I don't read *.pps documents but inspection with an editor | shows that it may be legit. It describes a coughing technique | one should use to stimulate blood circulation and oxygenation. | I have not heard of it before. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 202) Sat, Jul 08, 2006 - 8:56:26 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | It's bullshit | | http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blcpr.htm | | ============================================================================ | | 203) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 3:12:04 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, For some reason I had difficulty loading your link in | post #202. I gave some error message eventually and aborted | Arachne. I had to restart Arachne from the command line and then | it loaded fine. I had room in the cache so I don't know what the | problem was. | Anyway, the procedure isn't "bullshit". Your link describes it | as a controversial procedure which is not recommended for use by | the layman and not shown to be beneficial for the most commonly | occuring type of heart attack. | I still don't know how/why it ended up in my email box. And I | still don't know if it is infected with a bug. | | ============================================================================ | | 204) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 4:14:45 am | URL | | gregy> | Eric....when in doubt....delete.... | ... | http://www.Frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23262 | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 205) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 5:59:30 am | | Eric> | Re: #204 link | Gregy, interesting article...but....I think the author is | slightly bias against environmentalists. One problem with | most studies is that they are done to prove something and not | to discover the truth...and not necessarily intentionally. | Then once they get published then the conclusions are harvested | by those with ulterior motives and often misused to try to | prove things that are not even remotely related to the conclusions | reached by studies. I have done significant research into such | use of published research studies at one time. | | ============================================================================ | | 206) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 8:16:00 am | | ray> | So Gregy, once the 'power' of the environmentalists is broken | what are you guys planning to change? I can safely say that | the use of DDT would skyrocket and that the current year by year | increases in the production of CO2 would be robustly encouraged. | | What else? | | | ============================================================================ | | 207) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 1:40:23 pm | | trees_\'breath-in\'_CO2....> | ....and then the 'exhale' O2 | | Therefore... an increase of CO2 emissions would help trees to breath | better and hence will produce more oxygen for _us_ to breath. | | | ============================================================================ | | 208) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 4:53:29 pm | | ray> | Yup, no doubt about that, boosting CO2 artificialy has been shown | to have a big inpact on photosynthisis rates. Alas you can't | boost CO2 (to make more O2) without first burning that O2 in the | first place (to make more CO2) so that argument don't wash. Anyway | CO2 levels are so low in absolute terms that even doubling its level | would have only a tiny impact on O2 levels although a big impact | on photosynthisis -- the net change is: petrochemicals >> new | biomass. | | | ============================================================================ | | 209) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 5:01:38 pm | | ray> | Ah wait, but since Oxygen is part of all biomass, the net impact on | O2 levels would be negative. | | CH4 + 2O2 > CO2 + 2H2O > H20 + CH20 + O2 | | Methane (typical fossil fuel (shouldn't have said 'petrochemical')) | plus two oxygen end up producing one sacharide unit, one water, and | one oxygen -- but we started with two oxygens. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 210) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 6:47:31 pm | | ????> | mammals breath air which is 21% oxygen..... and then exhale mostly CO2 | | Hence.... | | more mammal resperation == more 'air' for the plants to 'breath' | | and...... | | more exhaled O2 from plants == more 'air' for mammals to breath | | Inaddition...... | | bacterial decomposition of dead biomass then releases the stored oxygen | back into the atmosphere in the form of both O2 and CO2 for _both_ | mammals and plants to breath | | | ============================================================================ | | 211) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 6:50:03 pm | | ????> | Plus ........ | | Humans make-up but very miniscule percentage of the mammals on this | planet. | | The vast majority of exhaled CO2 comes from non-human mammals. | | ============================================================================ | | 212) Sun, Jul 09, 2006 - 6:59:11 pm | URL | | ????> | Have a look at just how miniscule the 'human factor' is..... | | http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html | | ============================================================================ | | 213) Mon, Jul 10, 2006 - 2:40:38 am | | gregy> | Eric....Re: 205....what you have just discribed there, is a perfect | picture of Environ-nutzis.....and Freakologs..... | ... | So, of course, I'm agin 'em.... | .... | Ray...PREzackly....since the so-called "runaway greenhouse effect" is | a totally delusional figment of sagging-Sagan's imagination....we can | safely disregard ALL references to, and concern about, human-caused | "greenhouse gases"... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 214) Mon, Jul 10, 2006 - 3:15:52 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn09.html | | | ============================================================================ | | 215) Mon, Jul 10, 2006 - 3:32:03 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50981 | | | ============================================================================ | | 216) Mon, Jul 10, 2006 - 4:23:26 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.lucianne.com/routine/images/07-10-06.jpg | | | | ============================================================================ | | 217) Mon, Jul 10, 2006 - 9:07:31 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://rgcombs.blog-city.com/science_from_the_realitybased_community.htm | | | ============================================================================ | | 218) Mon, Jul 10, 2006 - 9:39:28 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21421_Hilarious_Lefty_Post_of_ | http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20060707DUExperiment.jpg | | | ============================================================================ | | 219) Mon, Jul 10, 2006 - 11:06:14 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32550 | http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/dell%20banger1.jpg | | | | ============================================================================ | | 220) Mon, Jul 10, 2006 - 12:37:46 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, What's with these links your posting....they keep causing | xSwap errors when I click on them...both posts 218 & 219. | | Nice laptop fire...I knew there was a reason I avoid laptops. | | I learned long ago, anything the engineers try to cram into a | little box half the size that is really need is prone to | heat problems. Of course, If some idiot has also crammed some | pyrotechnic device into a disk drive slot...well, it's hard to | plan for enough cooling in such instances. | | ============================================================================ | | 221) Mon, Jul 10, 2006 - 10:02:29 pm | | ray> | Yeah, I get those errors too, with my core and 1.90. | I may have a bandaid tho. | | | ============================================================================ | | 222) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 1:38:24 am | | Eric> | Re: Laptop fire | Gregy, I've seen fires like that eminating from under my car | hood but never from inside my computer case...although I have | smelled odors coming from printed circuit boards that smelled | like fire. If that had occured on an airline flight it sure | would have made the big news. | | | ============================================================================ | | 223) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 2:59:32 am | URL | | Eric> | Support for W$ndoze 98 & ME ends. | | http://www.techspot.com/news/22159-microsoft-ends-extended-support-for-windo | | ============================================================================ | | 224) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 3:37:51 pm | | ray> | Yeah, it's been on death watch for a few year now, but folks seem to | think XP is pretty good, as windows goes, one day I'll start pokeing | around with it. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 225) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 4:14:34 pm | | Jake> | I'm thinking of giving Win2K a poke, so's I can run some camera RAW conversi | However, the multiplatform DCRaw will give `em a run for their money. | | | ============================================================================ | | 226) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 6:53:08 pm | | Eric> | Jake, I got the impression somewhere that one should stay away from | anything bteween 98 and XP. | | ============================================================================ | | 227) Tue, Jul 11, 2006 - 7:08:31 pm | | glennmcc> | From my experience... | the one you definately want to stay away from is WinME | | 2000 ait'nt quite as bad as ME but it is 100% impossible to | fix a broken 2000 or XP system using DOS if it is installed on NTFS | | The olny viable option for fixing such a broken system is with a | bootable Linux CD | | At-least with Win98se and before... it is possible to fix a broken | system using DOS even if it is on FAT32 | | 2000 and XP can be installed on FAT32 but unless you do it yourseklf | that way... you ain't gonna have such a system. | | Every pre-installed 2000 and XP system I have seen so-far has been NTFS | | ============================================================================ | | 228) Thu, Jul 13, 2006 - 1:43:42 am | | gregy> | ahhh...hmmmm....OS/2 has/had NTFS support....after all, NT (all versions | including XP) is nothing but an overbloated Mz$loth version of OS/2 | ..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 229) Thu, Jul 13, 2006 - 2:23:07 am | | gregy> | Re:...."The Flaming Laptop"....hmmmmm....well...if you use Arachne 1.90, | standard, cruise with "Images OFF"...and load the "pitchers" manually, | it works jes fine..... | ... | Re:...Why did I post 'em..??? well...I thought they were good for a | laugh..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 230) Thu, Jul 13, 2006 - 2:32:07 am | URL | | gregy> | welp...so much for the Demoncraps' PlameKerfuffle..... | | http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15988 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 231) Thu, Jul 13, 2006 - 9:06:30 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://climatesci.atmos.colostate.edu/2006/07/12/open-arctic-ocean-commentar | | | | ============================================================================ | | 232) Thu, Jul 13, 2006 - 10:43:58 pm | | gregy> | ahhh....Glenn....as you would suspect....I'm getting more familiar with | Lynx...the more I use it..... | ... | And...I'm getting able to use it more competently and enjoyably....so | ...thanks for pioneering that...and for patiently tugging me through | my steep learning curve..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 233) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 7:28:19 am | | gregy> | Glenn...Ray...Eric.... | | Please see Post 129 on the Testers Board: | http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/ctst/ctsindex.php#end | | ...and perform that brief little test I request....THEN...then... | post your results back on the Testers Board.....please NOT on the | Coders Board... | ... | Thanks.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 234) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 8:47:53 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/4702_0_2_0_C/ | | | | ============================================================================ | | 235) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 6:30:50 pm | URL | | Eric> | I dont know if anyone is interested but one of my friends | sent me this link: | | http://www.whitehouse.org/administration/georgew.asp | | I thought it was interesting that according to the record | they link to, G.W. was only 2 months old when he got that | DUI ticket. | | ============================================================================ | | 236) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 7:32:39 pm | | glennmcc> | All of that stuff is faked and is nothing more than political rhetoric. | | | Whitehouse.org is the officious web site for the White House and | President George W. Bush, the 43rd President of the United States | of America. | | family values, christian, jesus christ, traditional marriage, evangelical, | end times, rapture, republicans, GOP, conservative, right-wing, | George W. Bush, President, Laura Bush, Jenna Bush, Barbara | Bush, Dick Cheney, Richard Cheney, Lynne Cheney, Barbara | | __________________________________________________________________________ | | Note that they call themselves "....the officious web site for..." | | They do that on-purpose to make those whom do not have a well-rounded | vocabulary think that it is "...the official web site for..." | | However..... "officious" is quite the opposite of "official" | | | http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?officious | | 2: volunteering one's | services where they are | neither asked nor needed : | MEDDLESOME | 3 : INFORMAL, UNOFFICIAL | synonym see IMPERTINENT | _______________________________________ | | ============================================================================ | | 237) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 7:34:56 pm | | glennmcc> | whois data for whitehouse.org | | Registrant: Satire On-line | 245-M Mount Hermon Road, Suite 137 | Scotts Valley, CA 95066 | | Domain Name: WHITEHOUSE.ORG | Administrative Contact , Technical Contact : Pace, Mark ** | pace@ILLUMINATI.ORG | 245-M Mount Hermon Road, Suite 137 | Scotts Valley, CA 95066 | US | Phone: 650.212.3765 | Fax: 831.460.9237 | | Record expires on 06-Sep-2015 | Record created on 17-Sep-2002 | Database last updated on 23-Jan-2006 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 238) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 7:37:30 pm | | glennmcc> | This is the "official web site for the white house" | | http://www.whitehouse.gov/ | _____________________^^^^<-- .gov not .org | | If you're not offended by sexually explicate web sites ... | replace .org or .gov with .com | | ============================================================================ | | 239) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 7:43:24 pm | | glennmcc> | Nevermind. | | The porn site that had been using that domain name is no longer. :(( | | ============================================================================ | | 240) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 2:08:27 am | URL | | Eric> | glennmcc, Try this link: | | http://www.whitehouse.net | | | | ============================================================================ | | 241) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 5:08:53 am | | glennmcc> | That is also a fake site which is not connected to whitehouse.gov | | | Registrant: Capitol Area Networking Group | 3005 Crane Drive | Falls Church, VA 22042 | US | | Domain Name: WHITEHOUSE.NET | Administrative Contact : Mincer, Chris | cmincer@MINCER.ORG | 3840 Longstreet Ct | Annandale, VA 22003 | US | Phone: (703) 449-1992 | Fax: 999 999 9999 | | Technical Contact : Herrin, William D | herrin@DIRTSIDE.COM | 3005 CRANE DR | FALLS CHURCH, VA 22042-3004 | US | Phone: (703) 534-2652 | | ============================================================================ | | 242) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 7:31:03 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Strange thing the main page of that link in #240 above | has changed to some screwy stuff the last I looked at it. However, | the links on the page seem to link to the actual GOV site. | | ============================================================================ | | 243) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 7:34:22 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I just tried #240 link and now it's back to previous | condition....It had some crazy chinese hacker stuff on it when | I clicked on it this morning. | | | ============================================================================ | | 244) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 8:45:17 pm | | glennmcc> | They cracked-in again. | | We Chinese super hacker!!!!! | Hahahahahah!!!!! USA suck!!!! | Hahahahahahah!!!! USA pilots gay!!!!! | Hahahahahah!!!! We kill all USA!!!! | Hahahahah!! You president dope. | Hahahahah!!! We Chinese, we play | joke, we put pee pee in your Coke. | Hahahahah!! We hate you!!!! | Hahahahahahahahahah!!!! You dumb. | | | ============================================================================ | | 245) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 8:49:31 pm | | glennmcc> | And yes, some of the links on whitehouse.net are actual links to.... | | http://www.whitehouse.gov/ | | Again... they 'fake-you-out' by making you _think_ that they are | connected to whitehouse.gov by putting _real links_ on a _fake page_ | | ============================================================================ | | 246) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 8:52:34 pm | | glennmcc> | http://celinedion.com/ and http://celinedion.org/ are her real web | addresses. | | http://celinedion.net/ is not. | | | ============================================================================ | | 247) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 9:03:49 pm | | glennmcc> | Registrar Name....: WEBNAMES.CA INC | Registrar Whois...: whois.webnames.ca | Registrar Homepage: http://www.webnames.ca | Domain Name: celinedion.com | Created on..............: 27 Jun 2005 | Expires on..............: 17 Mar 2007 | Organization Info: | SONY BMG MUSIC (CANADA) INC. | Steve C NewMedia | 190 Liberty Street, Suite 100 | Toronto, ON M6K 3L5 | CAN | Phone: 1 416 5893158 () | Fax..: 1 416 5893001 | Email: domains.canada@sonybmg.com | | ------------------------------------------------------------------- | | Domain ID:D522292-LRMS | Domain Name:CELINEDION.ORG | Created On:02-Oct-1997 04:00:00 UTC | Last Updated On:02-Sep-2005 00:49:54 UTC | Expiration Date:01-Oct-2009 04:00:00 UTC | Sponsoring Registrar:Register.com Inc. (R71-LRMS) | Status:OK | Registrant ID:28646918-NSI | Registrant Name:Sony Music Canada | Registrant Organization:Sony Music Canada | Registrant Street1:1121 Leslie St. | Registrant Street2: | Registrant Street3: | Registrant City:Toronto | Registrant State/Province:Ontario | Registrant Postal Code:M3C2J9 | Registrant Country:CA | Registrant Phone:+1.4163913311 | Registrant Phone Ext.: | Registrant FAX: | Registrant FAX Ext.: | Registrant Email:canada_notify@SONYMUSIC.COM | Admin ID:15452327-NSI | Admin Name:Sony Music Canada | Admin Organization:Sony Music Canada | Admin Street1:1121 Leslie St. | Admin Street2: | Admin Street3: | | _______________________________________________________________ | | | - and now the fake one in Brazil which is made to look as-if it is real- | | Domain Name: CELINEDION.NET | Registrant [15282]: | Akway International LTD | No 5 New Road | P.O.Box 388 | Belize City | NA | 0000 | BZ | | ============================================================================ | | 248) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 9:20:41 pm | | glennmcc> | My bad.... BZ is not Brazil ... it's the country of Balize | | Balize -- | Location: Central America, | bordering the Caribbean Sea, | between Guatemala and Mexico | | ============================================================================ | | 249) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 10:42:16 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Please don't take offence...I'm not questioning | what your posting. I would never think that page was the | official whitehouse site. I just found it interesting | that when I clicked on one of the links, I found myself | seeing and hearing a real press conference with the real | GWB. I'm not exactly sure what the deal is with the chinese | stuff....it may just be part of the hoax site tomfoolery. | | | ============================================================================ | | 250) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 12:03:30 am | | Eric> | Hey...how did Celine Dion get messed up in all this stuff? | What did she do now? ... Buy Belize? ... Probably | got together with Oprah and made a real estate investment. | | ============================================================================ | | Š 251) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 5:49:54 am | | glennmcc> | Oh... no problem, I'm not offended or anything like that concerning | the whitehouse stuff. | | But..... be carefull what you say about Celine. | | You start dissin' my sweetie and I'll have to take a ride up there and | kick your ass. | | ============================================================================ | | 252) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 4:27:47 pm | | ray> | It's amazing how, per capita, Canuks are so overrepresented in the | American entertainment scene. We love to dismiss American culture, | but we are better at it that you guys (per capita). | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 253) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 7:19:14 pm | | Eric> | Ray, That entertainment perfusion of Canuks into USA is | just another one of the many exports that you northerners | like to use to lure the almighty dollar over our northern | border. A small capital outlay produces large returns! | | ============================================================================ | | 254) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 7:23:30 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Many Canistan wowmen are hot....the have to be | to survive in that northern climate and to keep their | men from getting frostbite. | | ============================================================================ | | 255) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 7:27:59 pm | | Eric> | #254 cont. | After all, a man with frostbitten extremities isn't much | good for "anything" !!! | | | ============================================================================ | | 256) Sun, Jul 23, 2006 - 8:23:59 pm | | ray> | Yup, and Canistani men need plenty of good circulation in all their | appendages to ward of frostbite too. Not a problem right now tho, as | with England, we are currently experiencing the hottest temperatures ever | recorded in this part of the tundra. The little ice age just keeps on | ending and ending and ending. | | | ============================================================================ | | 257) Mon, Jul 24, 2006 - 7:16:55 am | | Jake> | :-) | | ... although I'm no great fan of high ambient temperatures and UV levels. | | ============================================================================ | | 258) Mon, Jul 24, 2006 - 7:40:02 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html | | | ============================================================================ | | 259) Mon, Jul 24, 2006 - 7:45:20 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://climate.umn.edu/doc/journal/cool0408.htm | | ============================================================================ | | 260) Mon, Jul 24, 2006 - 7:46:47 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.bigeye.com/ca0198.htm | | ============================================================================ | | 261) Mon, Jul 24, 2006 - 11:02:17 pm | | Eric> | I hope you all saw Jay Leno's show last night/this AM.... | He had 2 guys on his show who skiied to the North Pole and back to | save ther Polar bears and check out the global warming. | They confirmed that there are cracks in the ice pack. | | | ============================================================================ | | 262) Tue, Jul 25, 2006 - 12:22:17 am | | Jake> | Well, tell those darned bears to pee somewhere else! | | ============================================================================ | | 263) Tue, Jul 25, 2006 - 1:35:33 am | | Eric> | Hey, There's something Gore hasn't suggested yet.... | reduce global warming...stop having babies...ban viagra! | | ============================================================================ | | 264) Tue, Jul 25, 2006 - 1:37:43 am | | Eric> | Sexual revolution == global warming | | | ============================================================================ | | 265) Tue, Jul 25, 2006 - 10:10:10 pm | | ray> | Sigh ... the first URL above about had me convinced to change | 'sides' ... then the last two reafirmed that anti-global warming | people are politicaly motivated nutbars who I should be very | sceptical of. Maybe *both* are true -- GW has been grossly | exagerated and that fact has been picked up on by the far Right | for political reasons as a way of trashing the Left in general and | Liberals and proggies in particular. | | Strange, my Comunist friend basicaly agrees with Gregy -- the | GW people have used this issue as a hot-button to get their | general evvironmental agenda ahead, what they realy want is reductions | in fuel depleation and overall reductions in polution, and GW is just | an indirect way of achieving that. Damned Commies. | | | ============================================================================ | | 266) Tue, Jul 25, 2006 - 10:14:32 pm | | ray> |