MISCELLANEOUS Message Board Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:04:15 ______________________________________________________________________________ | ============================================================================ | | 855) Wed, Sep 27, 2006 - 3:28:43 pm | | Eric> | Jake, | I could use some of that scaffolding right about | now for some painting work. The yellow sleeve is probably | as much for improving visibility as for insulating. They | put yellow sleeves on some electric pole guy cables around | here for visibility. It's a good idea. | | ============================================================================ | | 856) Fri, Sep 29, 2006 - 2:48:22 am | | Jake> | I parcelled it all up, but the postage costs were prohibitive... | | ============================================================================ | | 857) Fri, Sep 29, 2006 - 11:30:21 am | URL | | Eric> | Jake, Thank's for the effort....but...I doubt that | my mailwoman could deliver it anyway. | | Is anyone else interested in this MSIE vulnerability fix ? | | http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2006/09/guarding_against_the_new_ | | | | ============================================================================ | | 858) Fri, Sep 29, 2006 - 10:15:45 pm | | gregy> | Eric...Re: Re:..#848....hmmmm...well....if you'll tell me how to hack | that website, I'd think about "editing" that page...... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 859) Fri, Sep 29, 2006 - 10:22:03 pm | | gregy> | Eric.... | | "...the ground, dead. One has to be real careful. | Especially when working in tight places like | under trailers doing plumbing. Or..." | | Yep...been there, felt that bite........as manager of my | former trailer court, I found that you could never be surprised by | what some idiot had done to one of those trailers....most of which | had lotsa "jerry-rig" stuff done to them over the years before the | trailer court owner ever bought them from their original (or 2nd, 3rd, | etc) owners.... | ... | Once we had them, then I found it prudent to be VErrrryyyyy cautious | when I went in/under one of them to fix sumpin....unfortunately, most | of those times were in the 20-below environment of winter....he he | ...it was the pits....and the former owner (named Danny) and I were | just talking about "those days" and both exclaiming how glad we now | were that we were "outa there"..... | ... | | ============================================================================ | | 860) Fri, Sep 29, 2006 - 10:34:37 pm | | gregy> | As for my own, personal, trailer....I've always been very careful to NOT | jerry-rig my wiring.....given my engineering background, I hafta admit | that it exceeds code..... | ... | And,...I'm about done with that last 1/4 of my 4-quarter plumbing | project (which included lotsa off-the-side extra sub-projects because | of the idiot jerry-rigging that was done on this trailer before I bought | it.... | ... | I'm in the "prettying-up" phase and about ready to button back on that | chunk of metal siding I hadda remove to get that last 1/4....and we're | having "Indian Summer" here, so the weather is still allowing me to | take my time about it... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 861) Sat, Sep 30, 2006 - 7:06:42 am | | Jake> | You have Indian Summers over there, too? Hehe, must be a different kind | of Indian. | | ============================================================================ | | 862) Sat, Sep 30, 2006 - 9:55:46 am | URL | | Jake> | Taken this morning, I think this is a Chrysler Airflow, and I've heard | it's one of three in existence (maybe in RH drive?). The owner took a | delight in letting it rot away. What would Ayn Rand say? | | http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7905/imgp1796600x400hl0.jpg | | ============================================================================ | | 863) Sat, Sep 30, 2006 - 9:56:27 am | URL | | Jake> | Info about the car: | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Airflow | | | ============================================================================ | | 864) Sat, Sep 30, 2006 - 2:24:04 pm | | Eric> | Jake, Chrysler always was known for it's | engineering innovations but construction/longevity | wise was often poor. In the '40's and '50's and '60's | the Chrysler products seemed to rust away faster | than GM cars which is noticed here in Detroit where | salt is used to keep the streets clear in the winter. | You know Detroit is built on top of a salt mine! | GM cars always seemed to maintain their value better. | These unibody cars loose their structural integrity | much faster in areas where rust is a major concern. | Also, once a unibody car gets "bent" out of alignment | in can never be straightened out correctly. | | ============================================================================ | | 865) Sat, Sep 30, 2006 - 6:34:08 pm | | ray> | I once drove a unibody car until the entire left front of the car | (a VW rabbit) litteraly broke off, taking the wheel with it. | (I like to get full value out of a vehicle ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 866) Sat, Sep 30, 2006 - 8:39:34 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I had a friend that said he saw one of the 1st | realitively popular unibody cars break in half, so to | speak. It was a Hudson of the late '40s or '50s vintage. | The driver put on the brakes and the Hudson just | collapsed in the middle he said. I heard from about an | 1/8 mile away, across a lake, a police car hit a tree | one summer afternoon. He was chasing a fellow in a car | at high speed thru the countryside. It was lucky that no | innocent by standers were hurt. The car was one of those | '60s Plymouth unibodies. The car went off a curve, hit | a tree mid-body, split in half and the back half blew up. | The front half was just sitting upright with the two | officers sitting in the front seat. The passenger walked | away. The driver died. It was poor judgement on the | driver's part. This happened in a 35mph zone in close | proximity to many cottages/homes. The passenger officer | was extremely lucky. If the car had not split in half | he would have burned up in the exploding car. If the | car had had a decent frame it would have just wrapped | itself around the tree and burned up. The car chase | had been going on for over an hour traversing back | and forth across the county. The radio was giving | moment by moment up dates similar to the O.J. case. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 867) Sat, Sep 30, 2006 - 8:48:48 pm | | Eric> | Jake, RE: #861 ... To be politically correct they should | be called "Native American Summers" but similar to the | popular sports teams' names.... the old idiom seems | to stick with us. hehehehe | | ============================================================================ | | 868) Sun, Oct 01, 2006 - 2:37:41 am | | Jake> | Over here, they refer to the Indian Subcontinent, so really it's a | meaningless term, unless you're a Brit in a 19th century uniform, to | whom any "hot" would be "too bloody hot". There weren't a huge number | of Brits there in the days of the Raj, so many of them could head off | for Simla to avoid the really hot Indian summer. | | ============================================================================ | | 869) Sun, Oct 01, 2006 - 2:46:31 am | | Jake> | So it _is_ an American English term (I first heard it from my | grandmother, who went to India in the "fishing fleets" to find | and marry my grandfather, so assumed it was from the Raj). | | http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Indian+summer | | http://www.wordorigins.org/wordori.htm#indsum | | | ============================================================================ | | 870) Sun, Oct 01, 2006 - 4:15:50 am | | Eric> | Jake, Re: #869 ... those are a couple of interesting | references. | | ============================================================================ | | 871) Sun, Oct 01, 2006 - 1:14:52 pm | | ray> | Jake, just so you're up to the minute on Kanistani correctspeak, it's | | "First Nations" here now, I don't think the Yanks have that term yet. | | eg. as it might be used in a newscast: | | "The xwes'twetn' First Nation (all 13 of them) shut down the | Trans Kanistan Highway today demanding that the government | build them all new houses. The RCMP stood by to make sure that | the First Nations warriors were not subject to any vebal | abuse from angry motorists. Unfortunately one irrate trucker | used a racial slur and had to be arrested." | | | | ============================================================================ | | 872) Sun, Oct 01, 2006 - 10:18:11 pm | | W0rm> | Huhu :) | | This is my new hangout. | | I can't be bothered with the complicated posting shit on the other board. | | | ============================================================================ | | 873) Mon, Oct 02, 2006 - 5:51:47 am | | Eric> | Ray, This time you got me. I can't figure out | your slang....what is "xwes'twet'n" ? I know it's an | adjective describing the demonstrating First Nation | but I figure I'm missing something. | | ============================================================================ | | 874) Mon, Oct 02, 2006 - 5:57:20 am | | Eric> | Hi WOrm, Yeh, it's too bad there have to be a few | jackasses around to spoil it for the rest of us. | | ============================================================================ | | 875) Mon, Oct 02, 2006 - 4:26:14 pm | | glennmcc> | What's so complicated about adding chocoholic.php to the URL ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 876) Mon, Oct 02, 2006 - 6:44:01 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | It's become very fashionable up here for indian bands ... errr sorry | I mean First Nations, to resurect some more or less phony precolonial | name for themselves and spell it with some transliteration of the | latin alphabet that is supposedly phonetic in the original language. | Lot's of accent marks and apostrophies are used. The goal it to | make things difficult but it would be an incorrectness to protest, | thus: | | Lillooet becomes Lil'xwetn | Squamish becomes Squa'm'ishe | Stolo becomes S:to:lo | | etc. | | | ============================================================================ | | 877) Mon, Oct 02, 2006 - 9:07:55 pm | | gregy> | Re:..."..don't think the Yanks have the term, yet...".....yep...some of | the dummies use that "Native American".....and up north they play the | "First Nations" baloney..... | ... | However....reference the FACT...that ALL tribes, nations, peoples and | tongues migrated here from other parts of the world.... | ...then there are NO "native americans"....just some who migrated here | before others. | .... | ....and....since the first KNOWN inhabitants of North America are the | people known as the "Clovis-Point" people....who are known to definitely | NOT be related to current North American Indian tribes (or South | American, for that matter)....then those that CALL themselves "First | Nation(s)" are lying for propaganda purposes... | ... | I refuse to buy it.... | ... | I don't call them anything but by their tribal names...and NOT those | canuckized phonied-up abortions that Ray was citing... | ... | ....and...along with Teddy Rosevelt....I state emphatically, "There are | no hyphenated-Americans."... | | | ============================================================================ | | 878) Mon, Oct 02, 2006 - 9:17:56 pm | | gregy> | w0rmy....you're welcome here....... | ... | ..and...glennmcc explained "The Other Place" access method....as for | the rest of the AVA...it's still all there....fossilized... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 879) Mon, Oct 02, 2006 - 9:48:52 pm | | W0rm> | I don't much like the idea of having to e-mail someone to get a special URL | regular posting thing appear and disappear. | | Anyway, I dunno - the natives were screwed - I'm not sure how to resolve any | | ============================================================================ | | 880) Mon, Oct 02, 2006 - 10:24:00 pm | | gregy> | how were the natives screwed....??? I mean...if anyone was "screwed" | (because they were here "first") it was the clovis-point people...whom | the current "Native Americans" came along after and moved into all the | areas where the Clovis-Points lived... | ... | So, then, along came the european-tribes and moved into all the areas | where the previous invaders (current, so-called "Native Americans") | had invaded... | ... | So, who "screwed" who....??? | ... | ... | As for the problems with hiding URLs to block spammers....it's the only | way to REALLY block spammers....Jake mentioned denying access from | certain URLs...but...we all know the spammers are using trojan-bots on | other peoples computers to spam with, meaning that they're coming from | many different URLs....and we can keep up with the changing spam-blast | points and can't just deny every URL on the web, except for our personal | friends... | ... | Problem is caused because people who use these boards have not been | careful posting these boards' URLs in the open....and the spammers | harvest-bots have picked them up....just as their harvest-bots pick up | any email-addys posted "in the clear"....so....we just keep on slightly | modifying the end-file names and that does the trick... | | | ============================================================================ | | 881) Mon, Oct 02, 2006 - 11:33:48 pm | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17320 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 882) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 12:17:07 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm | | | ============================================================================ | | 883) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 12:28:26 am | URL | | gregy> | Iraq has taken our eye off the main enemy....!!! | | http://www.nbc11.com/news/9946298/detail.html?rss=bay&psp=news | | | ============================================================================ | | Š 884) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 12:44:06 am | URL | | gregy> | I kid you not...!! | | http://www.drudgereport.com/flash6.htm | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 885) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 1:59:17 am | | gregy> | The Big Secret of that Leaked NIE | October 1st, 2006 | | | | During this past week, politicians and | commentators from across the political | spectrum have been weighing in on the | now-declassified “Key Judgments” of | that leaked National Intelligence | Estimate about the Iraq war and its | impact on terrorism. | | As usual, it’s turned into a partisan | brawl. Those on the left assert that | the NIE supports their contention that | the Iraq war has made the terrorist | threat worse, while those on the right | insist that the NIE supports the | President’s assertion that the Iraq war | will reduce the terrorist threat. | | Unfortunately, everyone is having so | much fun scoring political points that | they’ve all missed the astonishing, | deeply disturbing secret that the NIE’s | Key Judgments inadvertently reveal. | | I spent several years of my life | managing the production of these NIE’s | for President Reagan, and before | disclosing the overlooked secret | contained in this one, please allow me | to explain just what NIE’s are and how | the process works: | | Simply put, an NIE is a projection of | trends and developments that reflects | the combined thinking of the 16 | agencies that comprise our country’s | intelligence service. Its purpose is | to provide the President with an | understanding of what the future is | likely to be – and to provide this | understanding soon enough, and clearly | enough, so that if the President | doesn’t like what lies ahead he can | take steps to change the future before | it happens. | | The President’s Radar | | In this sense, an NIE is to the | President what radar is to the captain | of a 747. If the radar tells the captain there’s a mountain 50 mil | ahead, the captain has time to decide | what to do – to maneuver to a higher | altitude so he can fly over the | mountain, for instance, or to change | course to fly around it. But if the | radar doesn’t tell the captain there’s | a mountain dead-ahead – or if the radar | doesn’t see that mountain until it’s a | half-mile dead-ahead – then it’s | failed. It will be too late for the | captain to respond. | | Moreover, if the radar screen displays | so much informationabout what’s ahead, | what’s behind, above, below, and what’s | off the port and starboard wingsthat | the captain’s eyeballs start to bleed | when he looks at that luminous green | line sweeping around the screen, then | the radar is worse than useless. It’s | a downright hazard, and the pilot would | be better off shutting it down and | flying by the seat of his pants. In | other words, the radar must provide | information about what lies ahead not | only soon enough to take action – but | also clearly enough so the pilot can | understand what danger is real and what | dangers are merely theoretical | possibilities. | | | ============================================================================ | | 886) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 2:00:09 am | | gregy> | --------------------(cont.)----- | One problem inherent to NIE’s is that | they sometimes reflect nothing more | than the institutional biases of each | of the 16 participating agencies. A | second inherent problem is that | sometimes these agencies are so | determined to not be proven wrong about | what the future holds that they try to | have it both ways, for instance by | obscuring their projections beneath an | avalanche of “on the one hand, on the | other hand” sentences. | | The best and most concise description | of NIE’s that suffer from these | problems comes from President Reagan’s | great Director of Central Intelligence, | William J. Casey: “total crap”. | | That’s why Casey’s orders to me were to | make certain that the NIE’s we produced | for President Reagan overcame these | problems. | First, I was to sort though the | differing judgments of the 16 agencies | to understand if they were basing their | conclusions on the facts contained in | the text of the NIE itself – or merely | on long-standing institutional biases. | If the latter, my job was to confront | the agency representatives and then | work with them to align their judgments | with the facts. | | Second, when an agency wanted to | dissent from the consensus, it was my | job to assure that this dissent was | written as clearly as possible so the | President could understand not only | what this agency was saying, but why it | had chosen to dissent from the majority | view. | | Finally, when all the bureaucratic | fighting had ended and we had hosed the | blood off my office walls, it was my | job to run the crucial “Key Judgments” | of the NIE through my word processor | one last time, to assure that the | finished product was intelligible to an | intelligent but busy policymaker. That | meant knocking out all the “on the one | hand, on the other hand” sentences and | replacing them with sentences that made | a point. It meant eliminating the | gobbledygook sentences that invariably | had crept in, such as: “We judge that | Soviet leaders will be neither too | hasty nor too reluctant to either | over-react or under-react to the | developing circumstances flowing from | the new initiative.” It meant weeding | out Key Judgments that were accurate | but worthless – such as the old | standby: “We judge that the future of | US-Soviet relations will be volatile | and subject to change.” | | Casey the Wordsmith | | When I had done the best I could, the | NIE went to Casey, who himself would | read through it – pen in hand – and | make whatever changes he thought would | clarify or sharpen the Key Judgments. | No matter how busy Casey was – and he | was a very busy man – he always found | the time to wordsmith the NIE’s because | he believed that arming the President | with the best possible intelligence | greatly enhanced the President’s | ability to develop the best possible | policies to accomplish his objectives. | | ============================================================================ | | 887) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 2:01:23 am | | gregy> | ------------------------(cont.)--------- | The final step In the Estimates process | was a closed-door, secure-room meeting | of the 16 intelligence agency chiefs, | to hash out the final text of the Key | Judgments that would be sent to the | President. Casey himself would chair | these meetings, and while sometimes | they were friendly and workmanlike, | more often they were contentious and, | well, explosive. At one of these | meetings, the State Department’s | intelligence chief delivered himself of | a rambling outburst whose point – as | best we could understand it – was that | the revolution we were predicting in a | certain country wasn’t going to happen | because there were other countries in | even worse shape that weren’t likely to | see revolutions. | | The deathly silence that followed – | none of us had the slightest idea of | how to respond to logic like this – was | finally broken by Casey himself. | “That’s the stupidest goddamned thing | I’ve ever heard in my life. But if | that’s your position, so be it.” Then | he ordered me to modify the NIE to | include the State Department’s dissent | (“…and write it just the goddamned way | he said it.”) and then get the finished | version printed and distributed. | | Reading through the now-declassified | Key Judgments of the NIE on Trends in | Global Terrorism, it’s obvious that our | intelligence service has abandoned the | Casey approach. Some sentences in the | Key Judgments contradict themselves, | and some are trite (“We judge that | groups of all stripes will continue to | use the Internet…..”). Others are | classic examples of the “on the one | hand, on the other hand” syndrome. And | still others are simply unintelligible | – they are neither right nor wrong, but | written in a way to make them subject | to whatever interpretation the reader | wishes to make. | | No issue is more important to our | country’s security than the future of | terrorism, and nothing could be more | helpful to the President than a clear | and accurate projection of what that | future is likely to be. That is what | this NIE should have provided, but | doesn’t. | | Now you see the “secret” that the Key | Judgments of this NIE inadvertently | reveal – and it isn’t about Iraq or | about the future of terrorism. It’s | about our own intelligence service, and | what this NIE has revealed is that our | radar is busted. That’s frightening, | and what’s even more frightening is the | realization that if we know it, so too | do our enemies. | | Rest assured they will be looking | closely to see if the President decides | to just ignore his busted radar and fly | by the seat of his pants – or if he | decides to get it fixed. | | Herbert E. Meyer served during the | Reagan Administration as Special | Assistant to the Director of Central | Intelligence and Vice Chairman of the | National Intelligence Council. His DVD | on The Siege of Western Civilization | has become an international best-seller. | | | | Herbert E. Meyer | | | ============================================================================ | | 888) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 3:45:46 am | | Eric> | Squirrels are vegitarians....so...they only get rabies | if bitten by some infected meat eating animal. As the | article says rabid squirrels are rare. However, I am | familiar with other instances of squirrels going on the | attack. I have never been attacked myself and I have | had many experiences with squirrels in my life time, | both inside my home and in the out-of- doors. My father | as a youngster did get bit by a squirrel when it came | into his bedroom thru the window and the window got | closed by mistake. The squirrel was kind of a pet. | I had a friend who walked around with a squirrel | either in her pocket, or on her back or shoulder. | She raised it from a baby and eventually gave it | to an animal sanctuary. | | ============================================================================ | | 889) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 7:50:46 am | URL | | Jake> | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/england/2415095.stm | | ============================================================================ | | 890) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 3:20:25 pm | | gregy> | yeah...as I said...."Iraq has taken our eye off the REAL battle...!!!" | ... | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 891) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 3:21:27 pm | | gregy> | Aliens in our midsts.... | ... | "The Attack of the Killer Squirrels"... | ... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 892) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 4:30:45 pm | | glennmcc> | W0rm, | | Sorry for the hassles over on my board. | | But as you saw... justr as soon as I put the posting version of the | page 'back in the open'..... we got another SPAM attack. | | At-least I'm lucky in that the SPAMMER who's been hitting my board | was not as persistant as the one who was hitting 'The Other Place'. | | If you take a look over there... you'll se that Hoody's old board was | getting hit several times a day every day. | | That's why gregy had to rename the file by adding the letter 'z' to the | filename. | | And that's why I had to ask folks to email me for the correct filename | for posing my board. | | But since the chances are quite slim for those SPAMMERs to visit here | and then know which board has a filename named 'chocoholic.php' .... | it's pretty safe to post that filename here. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 893) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 5:49:25 pm | | gregy> | yeah...Re:...my last couple posts on your board....I think that we, | collectively, are MORE than a match for allllllll the spammers in the | whooooollllllleeee wide world..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 894) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 5:59:46 pm | | Eric> | Too bad we can't sic the squirrels on the spammers. | Those spammers would never know what hit them...those | squirrels are harvesting nuts for the winter...keep | your ears peeled for high pitched screens ! hehehehehehehehe | | ============================================================================ | | 895) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 6:02:14 pm | | Eric> | Did it again....screens == screams ... | | ============================================================================ | | 896) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 6:22:10 pm | | glennmcc> | FYI, | | Just now counted the SPAMs at 'The Other Place'. | | It got hit 112 times before gregy put a stop to it by renameing the file. | | | ============================================================================ | | 897) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 6:31:04 pm | | gregy> | yeah...:))))...it was pretty hot and heavy, there, for a while.. | ... | At first, I kinda thought/hoped it might just be an aberration that was | temporary...but...after it kept on....we hadda do something. | ... | And...the simplest thing I could come up with was the file-rename... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 898) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 6:41:58 pm | | Eric> | Remember....Squirrels is just another race ... and .... | just like the rest of the world ... Some of them are | after your nuts and some of them aren't .... the | problem being, you can't tell'em apart .... Them | critters with the fancy tails all look alike ... | you can't tell'em apart !!! I don't think I ever | met one that didn't love to sass you and tease. | They drove my Irish setter berserk from a position | just up the big maple tree trunk just out of reach, | turned upside down, chattering away. But on the | other hand, some also like to sit on my back door | sill, waiting for me to open the door, so they | can pop right in for a neighborly visit. The | problem is that they knock all my plants off the | window sill when they try to use the closed window | as an exit. The little buggers aren't smart enough | to use the open door only 3 feet to their right. | And if your trying to assist them in their exit, | you can be sure if it looks like they're going right, | then they'll fool ya and go left. If the only exit | is up the stairs...they'll turn around and skitter | down the stairs...right thru your legs if they | have to. A squirrel is a perfect model for | Particle Physics....it's impossible to predict | a squirrels position at any specific moment | in time. | | ============================================================================ | | 899) Tue, Oct 03, 2006 - 7:03:06 pm | | gregy> | ah, yes...."random chaos" (surely a "redundant redundancy" example) | ..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 900) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 5:59:56 am | | SPAMMMER½> | I FOUND YOU ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! | muahahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! | , | , | , | , | , | , | , | , | , | , | , | (just kidding ! ! ! it's me, telemarketer :)))))))))) | you can pick yourself up off the floor now and breathe a sigh of relief... | I had this place bookmarked, and wondered if it's still here.... | . | .. | now if you'll excuse me, I gotta go and.... | | | | deltree c:\windows | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 901) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 6:04:39 am | | telemarketer> | this is what I have for hoody's chat... | http://hood.id.au/fun/story.php | must be an obsolete U-R-L ????????? | | waiting to hear from mailaka.... | hopefully they'll keep me at $5.95 instead of the 'new and improved latest a | | if not.... | deltree mailaka.net | signup dialup.cc @ $4.94 / month == unlimited (400 hours) + 3 pop3 mails | | ============================================================================ | | 902) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 6:43:25 am | | Eric> | Telemarketer, You better watch it or we'll send the | squirrels after ya !!! | | | ============================================================================ | | 903) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 10:29:43 am | URL | | Jake> | http://ben.hood.id.au/fun/story.php | | Nothing added since the New Year... | | ============================================================================ | | 904) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 2:34:45 pm | | gregy> | tele...et al....just trim that Hoody URL down to: | http://hood.id.au/ | .. | ..and you'll get his main page...with other links... | ... | ..also...Jake's Hoody URL is still active.. | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 905) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 3:25:19 pm | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17368 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 906) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 5:17:14 pm | | Jake> | Hooray for the scientific method and its eventual win over | bickering and politicking. | | Even so, I'll prudently minimize all synthetic chemical inputs | entering my bod, thank you very much. | | And I'll refrain from making political points and jibes like | that author, who I'm sure did all sorts of heroic undercover | stuff over the past four decades to take DDT to those who | wanted it. | | ============================================================================ | | 907) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 5:41:06 pm | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17381 | | | ============================================================================ | | 908) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 5:44:54 pm | | gregy> | yeah...Jake.......but (youknewthiswascoming)...... | ...but... | ... | You KNOW that I wanna whack off the hands of ALL those politically | correct scumbags who have the blood of those (minimum) 50 million | malaria victims (mostly...SURPRISE.!!!...poor, black africans) on those | self-same hands.... | ... | ... | ... | I know you've read the forceful back-and-forth that Ray and I already | had on this.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 909) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 5:46:08 pm | | gregy> | Oh...and...you also know that, since these creeps have been getting away | with this for so long....I'm more than happy to now stick them with it | ...even if I can do no more that say, "I told you so."... | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 910) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 5:52:18 pm | | Jake> | What punishment would you mete out if it were in your power? | Would you also punish politicos swayed by whipped-up public | opinion? | | "Let him without guilt throw the first stone"... so what have | you done to spread the usage of DDT over the past 40 years? | | ============================================================================ | | 911) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 5:59:45 pm | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/4911_0_2_0_C/ | http://www.slate.com/id/2148555/ | | | | ============================================================================ | | 912) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 6:05:03 pm | | gregy> | ah....I've done everything I can....which amounted to a drop in the | bucket.....mostly speaking up against the enviro-nutso-nazis, and the | racist politicos who pandered to them.... | ... | I must confess....yes...I'm guilty...mea culpa....I failed to shed the | last drop of my OWN blood to stop this backhanded genocide... | ... | So, since you ask... | ... | I wanna lynch 'em all..........ermmm...hey...didn't I already | say sumpin different....??? | ... | ah, yes...I did.... | "...You KNOW that I wanna whack off the hands of ALL those politically" | ... | So, I must retract that "lynch 'em all..."...... | ... | (sorry for getting SO carried away that I didn't remember my prior | perferred sentence)..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 913) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 6:10:05 pm | | Jake> | If we make a very conservative estimate and say half of the US | population didn't do enough to popularize the use of DDT, you'll | have quite a job left for the hand you have left... (assuming | you're allowed to keep one for partially doing your bit). | | ============================================================================ | | 914) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 6:15:26 pm | | Jake> | Speaking up, writing pamphlets and books, making films either for | or against... they're just tomorrow's cat-litter. | | It's the politicians you want to go after... They make the decisions. | | | ============================================================================ | | 915) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 6:34:32 pm | | gregy> | yep...been there, done that....none of them would/could do anything | to get this finally reversed... | ... | So, because my name is gregy, instead of Hitler/Stalin/Mao....and I | couldn't FORCE the reversal thru....I'm as guilty as the ones who | actually perpetrated this hienious crime....??? | ... | well, if you wanna say so..... | ..okay......have at it....say so..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 916) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 6:40:42 pm | | Jake> | No more guilty than I, and I wouldn't want any of your body parts | removed either. I don't like to see baying crowds gratified. | | ============================================================================ | | 917) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 6:44:00 pm | | glennmcc> | "...couldn't FORCE the reversal thru...." | | So... just whom was it that FORCED the ban thru in the 1st place ??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 918) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 7:14:27 pm | | gregy> | the primary culprit was William Runkleslouse....the then (new) EPA | admin....and that was in SPITE of his own EPA scientific study group's | conclusions and the administrative law judge's conclusion that DDT posed | NO threat to humankind OR to birds... | ... | ..he..of course....was just reacting to environ-nutso-nazi pressure... | ...and...it turned out later...he was a card-carrying member of the | Audubon Society....which was bythistime heavily infiltrated/taken-over | by the enviro-nazis... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 919) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 7:22:50 pm | | glennmcc> | So.... since _someone_ must 'take the blame' and 'pay the price'.... | | Should we petition our senators to hang William Runkleslouse ??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 920) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 7:32:01 pm | | glennmcc> | As you know .... we here at the messagfer boards have no power | what-so-ever to get done what you say you want done. | | The person directly above you whom _does_ have that power is your senator. | | Why not say to your senator the same things you've been saying to us. | | So... please CC to me a copy of the email which you send to | your senator petitioning said senator for said punishment upon said | individual. | | | ============================================================================ | | 921) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 8:13:48 pm | URL | | gregy> | this is tooooo much.....!!!! | | http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTNlNTgyZmQ5MzlkNzdkOTcxY2I3MGQxYjYzODQ | | | | ============================================================================ | | 922) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 8:15:46 pm | | gregy> | nah....I'm retired........and...besides....I've already | accomplished my "misson"...... | .... | ...but...comes "Sharia"...and "whack-off-the-hand" will be standard, | acceptable practice..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 923) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 8:24:15 pm | | glennmcc> | As I suspected... lotsa talk... no real action. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 924) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 8:47:08 pm | | gregy> | right.......wadda I needa do anything for, anyway...??? | ...I'll just leave it to these "action dudes"...(below).... | | "...but...comes "Sharia"...and "whack-off-the-hand" will be standard,.." | | | ============================================================================ | | 925) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 9:01:21 pm | URL | | gregy> | !!!...HEADLINE...!!! | "Democrats Race to Get a Piece of the Foley Scandal Before it Disappears" | | http://www.lucianne.com/routine/images/10-05-06.JPG | | | ============================================================================ | | 926) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 9:25:23 pm | URL | | gregy> | ah....Marital Bliss.... | | http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/ap/1006/0306_chased_husband_ax.html | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 927) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 9:28:11 pm | | ray> | Rotten jackals, you'd never see upstanding Republicans try to make | political hay over some Democrat's misdeed, nosir. | | | ============================================================================ | | 928) Wed, Oct 04, 2006 - 11:37:49 pm | | gregy> | ho..ho...hoHOldit..!!!!....I'll have you know that I'm a Republican.. | (...hmmmm....well...maybe slightly non-upstanding......)...and | I would CERtainly try to "make political hay over some demoncrap's | misdeeds....yessir... | | | ============================================================================ | | 929) Thu, Oct 05, 2006 - 2:02:06 am | | Jake> | Re #926 | There are more incidents of wife-battering than husband-battering, | but more blokes are seriously injured cos the wimmin are more | likely to grab a frypan or other weapon, while the hubbies use their | groping trotters. | | A murder took place hereabouts, ten years ago. Daughter (killed) | visiting her mother who was living with a guy in his early 20s. He | and the girl had been seen canoodling and it was obvious to we | locals that the mother had caught them at it and pushed the girl | down the stairs. She called her still-besotted ex, (the girl's step- | father, with whom, strangely, she lived), who disposed of the body, | not too cleverly down the side of a field about to be harvested. | | The mother was hyper over the following days. Her young man | was withdrawn. He was called in daily by the police, but he didn't | break. The stepfather was jailed on the basis of forensic evidence | - distinctive sand particles at the site where the body was dumped | were found in his car. | | The mother got herself a room in a battered wimmin's refuge as a | further example of "pity me, but please don't inprison me". | | Why the fcuk didn't the police question her daily? Well, obviously | because the general public (not her neighbours) would see her | as someone who had suffered a terrible bereavement. | | | ============================================================================ | | 930) Thu, Oct 05, 2006 - 3:26:46 am | | Eric> | Here's the crux of the matter, If a man defends himself | against a woman then they throw him in jail. In my | opinion, man's greatest threat is an angry woman, cause... | well...he just has no defense...the odds are stacked | against him. Even the defenseless man is usually his | own worse enemy because he is reluctant to hurt the | woman or doesn't even take her seriously. | | ============================================================================ | | 931) Thu, Oct 05, 2006 - 2:26:33 pm | | gregy> | and that's not to mention the "sneak attack"....poison.... | ... | Moral of the story.....treat your woman right....marry her (not shackup) | and then be "smart" (nice) about it for the rest of your days... | ... | ..otherwise..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 932) Thu, Oct 05, 2006 - 3:02:18 pm | | ray> | Yup, you can't win if your womyn decides to hit you or even | kill you. It'll be 'the poor dear, look what that beast *made* her | do'. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 933) Thu, Oct 05, 2006 - 3:48:03 pm | | Jake> | On "Woman's Hour" on BBC Radio this a.m. (which has 40 per cent male | listeners including, ahem, yours truly) they were discussing how blokes | always manage to get out of their "fair" share of housework. When they | got onto the fact that many ladies enjoy cosseting their men, a woman | contributor started talking about her partner and their situation. | | Her partner (andyousurelyexpectectedthiswascoming) turned out to be | another woman. | | ============================================================================ | | 934) Thu, Oct 05, 2006 - 4:14:32 pm | URL | | gregy> | ah...yes...I was struck by that tiny shiver about halfway thru your | post........and....I'd get all incensed about it....but: | | | http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg072402.asp | | | Finally we have the sort of political movement we've | long dreamed of! At the University of Pennsylvania students launched | a massive rally to demand once and for all: NO MORE RALLIES! It was a | protest against protest! Huzzah and hooray! From the | | These guys don't care for activism, and they're taking to the streets | to make sure everyone knows it. | | The pack of students holding cardboard signs and marching down Locust | Walk yesterday wasn't protesting genocide in Darfur or the war in Iraq | - the students were just protesting the act of protesting. | | Six students, led by Engineering junior Tal Raviv, began a ceremonious | walk outside Huntsman Hall at noon and processed east toward College | Green, where they chanted phrases like "No more protests!" and "Down | with activism!" | | Stasis Rights Forever! | | | ============================================================================ | | Š 935) Thu, Oct 05, 2006 - 5:11:40 pm | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=100506B | | | | ============================================================================ | | 936) Thu, Oct 05, 2006 - 5:34:26 pm | URL | | gregy> | Fortunate....and, then again, I've seen these rubbery little put-puts | fall from a (comparable) great heigth and.....sit up, look around, then | stare at the nearest grownup before deciding whether to start bawling | or laughing.... | .... | | http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/ap/1006/0202_catches_falling_baby.html | | | | ============================================================================ | | 937) Thu, Oct 05, 2006 - 5:41:54 pm | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/ap/1006/0503_teacher_raped_student.html | | If this turns out to be true....well..it sounds just like Debra LaFave | ....so....he should get "only monitored supervision"..... | .... | .....oh,...... | .... | ......wait.!!!.... | ... | I forgot...... | ... | He's MALE........of course..!!! How foolish of me....she's FEMALE | ....... | ..... | .... | (oh, and, in her own words, "...too beautiful to go to jail.) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 938) Thu, Oct 05, 2006 - 6:13:44 pm | | glennmcc> | Another student, a boy, | was in the apartment at the time but was separated from | Bedeau and the 14-year-old girl, city officials said. | | | Let's see.... | a rape occured in the appartment but the boy heard nothing ?!?!? | | How much you wanna bet that what really happened is that the boy | and the girl are boyfriend/girlfriend. And that they had sex at some | earlier time and she is now pregnant with his child. | | The two of them then concocted this story to keep themselves from being 'fou | | | ============================================================================ | | 939) Thu, Oct 05, 2006 - 10:59:17 pm | | gregy> | well....I DID say, "If this turns out to be true.."...... | | | ============================================================================ | | 940) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 12:49:15 am | URL | | Jake> | Plenty of hot air here: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ig_Nobel_Prize_winners | | ============================================================================ | | 941) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 1:52:22 am | | Eric> | Re: Baby falling ... We've had several such incidents in | the Detroit area in the last couple of years where babies | have fallen out of high rise apartment windows. They | usually weren't as lucky as the one in post #936. One | or two of the incidents happened at an apartment complex | that I once lived in. The parents, of course, blamed the | apartment owners, saying that the windows weren't secure | enough. I blame the parents if I blame anyone. Young kids | are like squirrels...the same laws of physics apply... | redundancy for redundancy's sake applies...just like | any good driver knows...when entering or crossing a | highway one should always keep looking for approaching | traffic from all directions because even when it looks | clear...approaching traffic has a way of sneaking up | on you. The same applies to baby watching...babies have | to be kept under constant surveillance because what a | baby will decide to do or where a baby will be at any | given moment in time is completely unpredictable. My | brother and I both only survived as long as we did | because my parents often put a harness on us and kept | us on a leash. I've heard some people claim it is | cruel to put a kid on a leash but I disagree. It gave | me the freedom to run along the edge of the Grand | Canyon and other dangerous areas and survive. It | was much better than being dragged along by the arm! | If anything, they should have kept me on a harness | more often. If I had been strapped into our 1940 | Chevy, I wouldn't have fallen out on my head when | my mother made a left hand turn onto one of the | most main streets in the middle of the city of | Detroit. It was the only time I was allowed to | ride in the front seat because the back seat was | filled up with bottles for canning food. The laws | of probability never fail...if your sure it can't | happen and you guard against it happening...the | one time you slip, it's sure to happen. | | | ============================================================================ | | 942) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 3:47:46 am | | Eric> | Jake, I'll be damned, my home state had many mentions | in that Ig Nobel awards page. Even mentions of people | and places in my immediate romping grounds. I had no | idea we were so prodigious and productive ! | | ============================================================================ | | 943) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 5:43:23 am | | Jake> | q.v. 2003 Ig Nobel Award for Engineering... | | ============================================================================ | | 944) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 11:00:13 am | | Eric> | Jake, Re: Murphy's Law ... I'm most phamiliar with it ... | It's a mathimatically proved phenomenon... Statistically | speaking ... by guarding against something occuring one | eliminates all chances of it not occuring so, of course, | all that can happen is that it will happen ... it's all | as plain as the nose on one's face ! | | | ============================================================================ | | 945) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 11:44:15 am | | Jake> | All this talk of babbies made me think of Murphy's... | | There's some weird probability maths about those | "money or the box" situations... | | ============================================================================ | | 946) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 11:48:11 am | URL | | Jake> | Here's a page about it, quite amusing too. | | ============================================================================ | | 947) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 11:58:29 am | | glennmcc> | Murphy's law states... "Whatever can go wrong, will go wrong". | | Therefore... with every action you take, you increase the chances of | making a mistake. | | So.... the only correct choice is to _not_ take any further action | and _do not_ change your initial choice. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 948) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 12:02:27 pm | | glennmcc> | If my 1st choice results in getting a goat...... since goat feed is | cheaper than gasoline, and I can use the goat manure as fertiliser for | my garden, and methane from the goat manure puts a lower concentration | of green-house gas into the atmosphere..... the goats thing to have. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 949) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 4:17:16 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, But have you ever tried to ride a goat ? | I have...it's not easy and it's not comfortable ! | | ============================================================================ | | 950) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 7:15:02 pm | | gregy> | sheeps is better...(before they're sheared)..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 951) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 7:15:32 pm | | gregy> | After they're sheared, it's kinda hard to stay on... | | | ============================================================================ | | 952) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 7:58:02 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, There's a reason that creature called a Judas Goat | exists. Goats are pretty smart but sheeps are dumb. Sheeps | are so dumb they probably don't realize someone is on their | back when they're being ridden. They probably think that | the extra weight is from their wool absorbing water. On | the other hand if a goat disliked the rider it would | probably jump up on some precipice and scare the | begeebers out of the rider. That's assumimg that | the rider could stay mounted which is questionable. | | ============================================================================ | | 953) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 10:37:03 pm | | Eric> | Hey, Did you hear, Damocrats use bookmarks...Republicans | prefer to bend over the page. | | | ============================================================================ | | 954) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 11:07:44 pm | | gregy> | Eric...you're right...sheeps is duummmmmbbbb....but...but...not THAT | dumb........we regularly have "sheep riding contests" at our county | fairs (for the little kids) and those sheep sure DO know someone's on | their back....... | ... | And...I've had the experience (not at a county fair, mind you) of having | one of them go thru the bottom and next-up strands of a bobwire fence | to "scrape" me off....it worked..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 955) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 11:09:49 pm | | gregy> | Eric...if I was a humerous liberal, like most progressives, I'd take | offense at that joke........and start pointing out all the | demoncraps who "bend over the page" too....but...since I'm a | "compassionate conservative" (.......)...I won't....and I think | it's a pretty cute joke..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 956) Fri, Oct 06, 2006 - 11:11:31 pm | | gregy> | oops...."humorless liberal"....sorry...I mean, they're pretty "humerous" | even hilarious, especially as they tie themselves in knots over the | "outrage" "OUTRAGE" of this foley kerfuffle.... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 957) Sat, Oct 07, 2006 - 12:48:52 am | | Eric> | Gregy, That sheep that unmounted you by going under/thru | a barbedwire fence probably didn't plan it that way. It just | didn't know enough to turn away from the fence....or... | maybe it was following the goat that jumped over the fence. | | ============================================================================ | | 958) Sat, Oct 07, 2006 - 3:15:30 am | | Jake> | ... or the chicken that crossed the road? | | ... or the cow that jumped over the moon? | | ============================================================================ | | 959) Sat, Oct 07, 2006 - 10:55:17 am | | ray> | The big dif between Dems and Reps over Foley is the outrageous | hypocrisy of the latter, who sell themselves as God's | soldiers, holding the Family Values fort to the last man against the | faithless proggy-libs. Heck the Dems mostly think buggering pages | is the right and proper and normal thing to do with them -- I | disagee, but at least they aren't (mostly) loathsome lying | hypocrites. I resist the Dems but spit on the Reps (or those of | Foley's type, anyway). Thank God politics up here in Kanistan hasn't | degenerated that far yet. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 960) Sun, Oct 08, 2006 - 2:54:03 pm | | glennmcc> | The key word is... "yet" | | Give it time. | | If there's one thing history have proven it's | that _all_ politicians _do_ degenerate to that point. | | It just takes more time in some cases than in others. | | ============================================================================ | | 961) Sun, Oct 08, 2006 - 5:12:09 pm | | Eric> | I always opined that politician == hypocrite ? After all, | a politician has to get elected. | | ============================================================================ | | 962) Sun, Oct 08, 2006 - 5:21:00 pm | | Eric> | The problem arises when a politician ceases to realize | that he is being hypocritical. When he refuses to | admit such to himself. When he reaches a point where | he can't tell the difference between Hippo-critical | and Hypocritical. | | | ============================================================================ | | 963) Sun, Oct 08, 2006 - 5:23:38 pm | | glennmcc> | define:politician | | ------------------------------------------- | | One entry found for politician. | | Function: noun | | | | b: a person primarily interested in | political office for selfish or other | narrow usually short-sighted reasons | | ============================================================================ | | 964) Sun, Oct 08, 2006 - 5:26:14 pm | | glennmcc> | One entry found for hypocrisy | 1: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe | what one does not; especially : the false | assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion | | In-other-words............. a politician. | | ============================================================================ | | 965) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 1:52:37 am | | Eric> | In other words, the expression "hypocritical politician" | is an example of redundant redundancy ! | | | ============================================================================ | | 966) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 2:03:02 am | | Eric> | A politician without a smile is like Winton Marsallis | without his trumpet....just another guy on the street | blowing hot air....darn it, that could apply to the | husband of that congress woman who plays the saxOphone. | | ============================================================================ | | 967) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 2:51:23 am | | Jake> | Nah, he's not a patch on Branford Marsalis... | | ============================================================================ | | 968) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 3:27:48 am | | Eric> | Jake, Are you saying Branford M. is a better politician ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 969) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 3:34:54 am | | Jake> | Didn't a lot of sucking take place? | | | ============================================================================ | | 970) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 3:49:40 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Here's something for you to remember the next | time you got'ta pull over and check out that noise | coming from under your truck . | | Joke Of The Day: | The doctor told him that masturbating before sex often helped men | last longer during the act. The man decided, "What the heck, I'll | try it." He spent the rest of the day thinking about where to do | it. He couldn't do it in his office. He thought about the restroom, | but that was too open. He considered an alley, but figured that was | too unsafe. Finally, he realized his solution. On his way home, he | pulled his truck over on the side of the highway. He got out and | crawled underneath to pose as if he was his truck over on the side | of the highway. He got out and crawled underneath to pose as if he | was examining the truck. Satisfied with the privacy, he undid his | pants and started to masturbate. He closed his eyes and thought | of his lover. As he grew closer to orgasm, he felt a quick tug | at the bottom of his pants.Not wanting to lose his mental fantasy | or the orgasm, he kept his eyes shut and replied, "What?" He heard, | "This is the police. What's going on down there?" The man replied, | "I'm checking out the rear axle, it's busted." Came the reply, | "Well, you might as well check your brakes too while you're down | there because your truck rolled down the hill 5 minutes ago." | | I think I saw this guy on my drive up north a couple of weeks ago. | He just after I passed the squished raccoon. | | ============================================================================ | | 971) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 4:26:09 am | | Eric> | Jake, I didn't make any reference to s. flutes or cigars... | say don't I recall Sir Winnie C. preferred cigars ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 972) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 4:29:24 am | | Eric> | Jake, The musical instrument is referred to as a saxophone... | not a sex-a-phone ! | | ============================================================================ | | 973) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 1:07:40 pm | | ray> | RE: 960 >>> | | Yup, gotta agree with you guys on all points. But Eric makes the | best observation that polits can get to the point where they don't | even know they are hypocrites any more, nor liars, nor cheats nor | corrupt. I'll bet to this day Tom Delay doesn't realize he did | anything wrong. I'd I've gotta say that the religious right types | are the worst for that, they just tell themselves that it's all done | for the good of the Lord so what matter if a few rules are bent? | I hope in the next few elections that honest *truely* god fearing | right wing Christians will realize that they've been hoodwinked by | some wolf-owitzes in sheep's covering and throw the scoundrels out. | What you guys need is a third alternative, like we have up here. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 974) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 11:57:48 am | URL | | Jake> | Interesting, how this is being reported by ITN: | | http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/article/101006/terry_lloyd_itn_inquest_journal | | | ============================================================================ | | 975) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 7:05:54 pm | | gregy> | Ray....hmmmm | | "...The big dif between Dems and Reps over Foley is the outrageous | hypocrisy of the latter, who sell themselves as God's | soldiers, holding the Family Values fort to the last man against the | faithless proggy-libs. Heck the Dems mostly think buggering pages | is the right and proper and normal thing to do with them -- I ..." | | It's a known, self-evident fact of observation, that the Reps just fired | Foley due to his criminal conduct (not due to his sexual orientation). | That they "fired" Foley means exactly that. They "forced" him out and | he "resigned" but his constituents would have canned him in this coming | election. | ... | So....I guess that's pretty "hypocritical"...all right....I mean..every | cop who pulls over and tickets a speeder is, obviously, just being | hypocritical, too..... | ... | As for those "so much more honest and opened" proggy-libs.....hey..!!! | ...when they don't even throw their own "page-hitters" off key | committees, and strip them of their leadership positions, and/or even | impeach them....that's the "best" way to behave, and a real role-model | for the rest of us....??? | ... | Okay...I'll agree, when you agree that, on that basis, the "going | postal" spree murder is the most honorable and admirable of all types | of criminals....mostly because he's not repentant or ashamed of what he | did/does... | | | ============================================================================ | | 976) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 7:17:26 pm | | gregy> | Ray...Re: 973....hmmmm...I think you should maybe watch yourself... | ... | I mean...wolf-owitz is (we ALL know this, but maybe you're uninformed) | the code-poster-boy-name for the "neoCons" ....which, as we all know | down here, is the code-word for, "Dirty, rotten, worthless, no-good, | Jews who don't toe the liberal line"....(and the anti-Jew viciousness | gets pretty thick down here, at times).... | ... | So, you maybe might wanna re-orient your verbal spiel, or tone it down, | otherwise you might lose your rep for "tolerant hypocracy" (or, for | "hypocritical tolerance") and become known for your "opened, honest, | non-rightwing-cristian-hypocritical, in-your-face" racist slander | anti-jew..... | .... | I mean...you wouldn't wanna do anything to ruin your sterling facade as | a first-class proggy-lib, now would you....?? | | | ============================================================================ | | 977) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 7:21:45 pm | | gregy> | Eric....the joke.....well, it's kinda funny....but...it'd be REAL funny | if it wasn't so absolutely unreal.....I mean....the listener/reader | has gotta be able to sorta project into the joke's situation....and THAT | situation requires a massive "suspension of disbelief".... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 978) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 7:54:53 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Hey, sorry to see you steamed. I don't think I'm any nastier to | some of your fellow travelers than you are to some of mine, just the | same I appologise if I crossed any line. For the record, I'm not | anti-Jew at all and it IS slander to suggest than anyone who | opposes some of the policies of Isreal, or who doesn't like | Mr. Wolfowitz is anti-Jewish. Heck I hate Rumsfeld even more. | Also, I thought I made it clear that I'm no friend of people who | undermine core values, like page-bending proggy-libs (or who ever | they are) however I am more threatened by false friends than by | avowed political enemies and it's that sence of betrayal that makes | me so steamed at the Foley stuff -- heck if I was an American, I'd | be tempted to vote for some of those guys, see my point? | So what makes me a hypocite? In what way have I preached one thing | and practiced another? | | | ============================================================================ | | 979) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 8:06:05 pm | | gregy> | Ray....steamed...???..."crossed the line"....hey..!!!....this is "In | HERE"....just about anything is allowed, and no I am not/was not steamed | .... | ... | But...(youknewthiswascoming) I batted the ball back to your side of the | net........as is my want.... | | ============================================================================ | | 980) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 8:10:20 pm | | gregy> | and....I'm glad you clarified....because you were beginning to sound | as if you had "swapped" the Reps actions to "uphold family values" into | being "hypocritical" for firing/condemming Foley and his actions... | ... | I mean...it's one or the other....either they "did right" and upheld | family values (although I look at it as just ordinary "doing right") | ...or they were "hypocrits" for doing same.....can't have it both ways. | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 981) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 8:14:07 pm | | gregy> | Ray...anti-Jew..??? I didn't think you were...but...as I | said...starting that "wolf-owitz, neocon" rant was beginning to make you | sound like the standard "neocon-bashing, anti-Jew" raving that comes | from the left, all the time, now.....a good number of them are even | Jews, themselves...(al la Chomsky, et al)... | ... | So, I said that you might wanna refrain from starting that neocon rant, | 'cause it sounds like it's the standard anti-jew rant coming from the | proggy-lib left... | | | ============================================================================ | | 982) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 8:28:23 pm | URL | | gregy> | http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20061010/sc_space/africanduststormsstiflehurri | | | ============================================================================ | | 983) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 8:33:27 pm | | gregy> | Oh, BTW....I WWUUVVVVVV ..Don Rumsfeld........actually, that's | not really descriptive of how I regard him, but I phrase my statement | thus..to keep it in line with your "hate" statement..... | ... | ...and..."slander to suggest. . .anti-Jewish"....ah...I guess I hafta | agree with you.....and Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were "Great American | Patriots" also, instead of rotten, stinking commie traitors.... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 984) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 9:11:33 pm | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110009064 | | | ============================================================================ | | 985) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 9:39:28 pm | | ray> | Hmmm, 980, I like that, your logic is sound, and I always like | sound logic. Yeah, that's right, the Reps of *course* did the right | thing dumping Foley it wasn't that that I find hypocritical, it's | guys like Foley himself, I can only fault the Reps for being a bit | slow about it, but that's politics, you know the 'enemy' will use | anything and everything against you, so you insinctively go into | damage control mode. About the Rosenburgs, you are of course being | facetious? Heck they were traitors weren't they? | | | ============================================================================ | | 986) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 9:41:32 pm | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110009065 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 987) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 9:46:47 pm | | gregy> | Ray...Re: Reps slow....yes...maybe....but...I don't think I'd have been | anymore quick to jump. ummmmm...#984 has some discussion of that, and | why this might have been so... | ... | | ============================================================================ | | 988) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 9:48:59 pm | | gregy> | Re: Rosenbergs....Hay..!!! (g g g)...watch your mouth....you KNOW it's | not allowed to "question their patriotism"...... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 989) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 9:50:00 pm | | gregy> | I mean....after all..."They support the troops"...... whatever | that might mean.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | Š 990) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 10:29:01 pm | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.dvdrewinder.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1&ze | | | Idiot Stocking Stuffer | "I have two!" -- Alec Baldwin. | "I fired my assistant in charge of DVD rewinding after I got this excellent | -Barbra Streisand. | | ============================================================================ | | 991) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 10:47:45 pm | URL | | gregy> | | http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2006/10/05/miracles-youll-see-in-the-next-fif | | My favorite quote from this is: | | "....Discarded ... rayon underwear are bought by chemical factories to | be converted into candy." | | Gives new meaning to that old epithet, "Eat my shorts!!!"..... | .... | | ============================================================================ | | 992) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 10:57:20 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Re: Joke .... Have you been paying any | attention to the news to the news lately....N. Korea... | Amish school shootings...Educating congressional pages... | unreal....unreal....Tigers beating the Yanks....unreal... | Tigers winning tonight...unreal...damn...that joke may | be the only real thing in a long time....whoops....neglected | Iraq and Iran and Lebanon and Afganistan and .....and.....DDT...and... | | | ============================================================================ | | 993) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 11:01:01 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Re: "Eat my shorts"...Where have you been... | They have been selling those at Lovers Lane for ages ! | | | ============================================================================ | | 994) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 11:02:04 pm | | Eric> | Grey, Pick your flavor....hehehehehehehe | | ============================================================================ | | 995) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 11:29:22 pm | | gregy> | Eric....ah...yes....edible shorts....but....but...BUT....have they been | selling blocks of candy (pick your flavor, choco for Glenn) manufactured | from "recycled (aka "dirty") rayon shorts....???? | .... | I know, I know....it's all coming unraveled....but...but...THAT is the | REAL "unREAL".... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 996) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 12:03:09 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I'll have to look into that....I don't | remember what you get when one breaks up those | rayon polymers.....may be more edible than some | of the stuff their putting into these processed | foods now-a-days.....cereal, hot dogs, chips, ... | how do think they make marshmellows... | | ============================================================================ | | 997) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 1:34:13 am | | gregy> | Eric...puulllLEEEZ..!!!!.....ummmm...whatever you discover in your | "gross research"....do NOT let me know....!!!...... | ... | I'll stick to natural-grown stuff, thank you..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 998) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 1:47:23 am | URL | | gregy> | | http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17443 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 999) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 4:27:57 am | | Eric> | Gregy, But...but...Butt...the honorable Mr. Gore says | we have to....absolutely must....it's life or death... | we must recycle ! | | ============================================================================ | | 1000) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 4:33:21 am | | Eric> | Gregy, By the way, rayon is made by squirting a stream of | tetra-ammonium-copper-hydroxide with cellulose dissolved | in it into a sulfuric acid solution. | | ============================================================================ | | 1001) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 4:35:07 am | | Eric> | Tetra-amine-copper-hydroxide == Schweitzer's reagent | | | ============================================================================ | | 1002) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 4:41:23 am | | gregy> | hmmmm....now, just WHAT kinda "candy" do you recycle "used underpants" | made of "...tetra-ammonium-copper-hydroxide with cellulose dissolved..." | ..what kind of "candy" can you make THAT into...??? | ... | I mean, it's pretty obvious that the ONLY thing(s) in "used rayon | underpants" that could be recycled into ANYthing edible(?) would be the | "deposits" left in said "used underpants" by their previous occupants | .... | ...therefore....I think that "prediction" from the 1950 article hadda | be made by an absolute looney...the American kind, not the Canadian | type..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1003) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 10:55:11 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Cellulose is fiber....they keep repeating on | the health shows, "fiber is good for you" ... so ... | maybe you perform a couple of chemical procedures on it | and end up with a dietary health supplement that tastes | good and keeps you regular. | | ============================================================================ | | 1004) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 1:10:06 pm | | Jake> | I remember a fox on a TV prog had to be fed cottonwool sandwiches | to keep it regular. Too much DDT for my taste... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1005) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 2:17:22 pm | | gregy> | he he....what a bunch..!!!!........ | .... | ... | It still stikes me as tatamont to eating my own shorts (hopefully, | that's who they originally belonged to)..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1006) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 2:57:44 pm | | gregy> | so....to each his own.....Eric, Jake....you can refrain from eating | DDT....I chose to refrain from "eating my shorts".... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1007) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 9:00:32 pm | | Eric> | NO...NO...NO...DON'T try eating your own shorts...would | probably bind you up....The recycling step must not be | left out...BTW, I didn't know you wore rayon shorts... | you seemed like strictly a 100% cotton type guy to me. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1008) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 2:34:30 am | | Jake> | Don't they keep their undies on for six months of the year, | "up there"? Stuck on with goose grease? | | ============================================================================ | | 1009) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 3:16:41 am | | Eric> | Jake, That sometimes depends on whether or not | the individual is the hibernating kind. The time | passes quickly for those sleepers down under all | that snow. Those ground hogs we were discussing | previously, are known for their hibernating habits. | That's why the groundhog has been attributed with the | ability to predict the coming of spring. BTW, I've | never seen a pair of rayon long johns of the 6mo variety. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1010) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:32:58 am | | Jake> | I bet Gregy uses bear grease (provided he can find a proggy | libby grizly he can throttle with his bare hands) | No wonder the plumbing gets blocked, with all the rendering. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1011) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 2:38:57 pm | | gregy> | geez...this is getting almost as gross as Hoody's "NeverEndingStory" | ..... | ... | Jake...FWIW....there never WAS a griz that wasn't proggy-lib...and..I | am not stupid enough to try one on with my bare hands....unless.... | ..unless....it's a dire emergency......then I'll try anything... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1012) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 2:41:27 pm | | gregy> | And...BTW...the pipes got block, 'cause they was over 45-years of use, | and they was steel.....and there's not ANY metal pipes that'll last | that long without rusting, coagulating, and plugging.... | ...i.e. "rendering" not necessary.....(prolly even help, if it went on) | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1013) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:55:35 pm | | gregy> | Glenn.....we have those oh-so convenient "DEFINE" and "FIND" Arachne | Thingees.....I wonder....hmmmmm....??? | ... | You don't suppose it'd be possible to implement a "WDEFINE" or "WFIND" | to go straight for the Wiki entry...??? (W-find, W(idi)FIND, of | course).....???? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1014) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 7:26:46 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, RE: "NeverEndingStory" .... not even close ! | | ============================================================================ | | 1015) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 7:48:53 pm | | gregy> | no....I guess not...but....pointing in that direction.... | ... | I take it you've passed a glance over Hoody's way, then...??? | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1016) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 8:31:56 pm | URL | | gregy> | hmmmm...Trouble-in-Paradise....who woudda thunkit....???? | | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id= | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1017) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 8:56:20 pm | | gregy> | Best Cuban Joke Ever | | On a recent visit to Cuba, Vladimir Putin found that most Cubans' shoes | have holes in them, and so he asked Fidel, "Oye chico, how is this | possible after 40 years of 'progress'?" | | Annoyed, Fidel answers, "And what about Russia? Have you done any better?" | Putin says, "Ombe, When you want I'll invite you to Russia and if you | find a single person with ripped-up shoes you have permission to kill | him. No problems." | | They got on Putin's plane and went to Russia. As soon as Fidel got off | the plane, the first thing he saw was someone whose shoes were all ripped | up, and so he grabbed his pistol and BOOM! killed him. | | The following day, Russian newspapers carried this banner headline: | "Old Bearded Man Kills Cuban Ambassador in Moscow Airport." | | | ============================================================================ | | 1018) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 9:44:02 pm | URL | | gregy> | Once you "read" this essay....press "R" and see what comes down the | pipe the next time...... | | http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1019) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 10:30:43 pm | | gregy> | He's got 4-more text generators, link down toward the bottom of his | page.. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1020) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 4:36:53 pm | | ray> | I dunno Gregy, I've studied philosophy for years, but I couldn't | finish that essay. God have mercy on us if that's what ... well | to be honest, there are lots of people who write like that nowadays. | And they call themselves intelectuals. We've come along way from | Plato who thought that anything that wasn't clear couldn't be | right. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1021) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 5:14:23 pm | | gregy> | Ray...you missed the whole point....go back and read the page...NOT | the essay (except for a brief scan to just get the flavor)....the point | is that it's a "TEXT GENERATOR" which, if you'll follow the link at the | end of the essay, you will find IS gobbldy-gook, which was sucCESSfully | filed for a college course somewhere (disremember where) and it's ALL | a scam... | ... | The other three "text generators" I referenced, are likewise... | ... | | ... | I mean...actually, you instincts are spot on.....but your followthru | was "lazy"..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1022) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 5:23:35 pm | | ray> | Beautiful. B*E*A*U*T*I*F*U*L. | | BEEEEE-oootiful. | | Hmmm yeah, I would have got the joke if I'd read further, BUT! we | all have to know when to stop reading garbage don't we? | OTOH, now that I reread your post, you do explain -- so you are | right I was lazy. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1023) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 5:26:13 pm | | ray> | Hmmm that text generator should apply for a professorship at | a Canadian university, it is a shoe-in for a position in the | advanced humanities department. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1024) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 6:00:53 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, What's so fantastic about a text generator | that writes gobbly-gook. We have advanced PhD scholars | that have been trained to do that for years. In our | educational system, the mastery of English is not | considered a priority. Their are many advanced degrees | granted to individuals who can't write as well as | these text generators can. And in this day of spell | checkers, etc., the situation is probably getting | worse. As one of my old friends used to say: | "I know what I'm trying to say" so why should I learn/study | English. Obviously, he was not considered a scholar. | I heard he became a policeman. | | ============================================================================ | | 1025) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 6:04:03 pm | | Eric> | Case in point, my error using "their" for "there" | in the post #1024 above. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1026) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 6:19:50 pm | | gregy> | Ray....apparently, that "essay" (noted/linked at the bottom of that | article/gobbldy-essay) generator actually DID generate an essay that | accomplished that very thing.....it (the text generator) is now a full | prof in some Uny.......(just joking...but something like that) | ... | Eric....ahem....may I quibble....."In our educational system,..." | ...I refute that title....we do NOT have an "educational system"...we | have a "schooling industry"...which includes divisions concerned with | spreading "commie-think" "glob-waamism" "chicken-little-ism" "Latest | fadism" "Relativist Irrelevance-ism" "Any-other-stupid-ism" | ... | But...we do NOT have a system designed and dedicated to "educating" | anyone, let alone the young kids coming up thru it. | ... | It's all part of the proggy-lib-ism "reproductive-rights" agenda..they | can't/won't reproduce their own, so they wanna brainwash ours just to | "keep totalitarianism alive".... | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1027) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 6:22:55 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | But the text generators would be so much cheaper to hire than | proffesors and as you say, the goobledy-gook is actualy better. | This is the age of cost savings! Hire those text generators, I say. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1028) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 6:26:24 pm | URL | | gregy> | Here are the relevant links: | | http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/ | http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/lingua_franca_v4/lingua_franca_v4.h | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1029) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 7:37:28 pm | | glennmcc> | Joke Of The Day: | The Chastity Belt... | | All the good knights were leaving for the Crusades. | | One knight told his best friend - | "My bride is without doubt one of the most beautiful women in the world. | It would be a terrible waste if no man could have her. | Therefore, as my best and most trusted friend, I am leaving you the key | to her chastity belt to use should I not return from the Crusade." | | The company of knights were only a mile or so out of town when they noticed | a cloud of dust approaching. | | Thinking it might be an important message from the town the column halted. | | A horseman approached. It was the knights best friend. | | He yells - "Hey, you gave me the wrong key!!" | | ============================================================================ | | 1030) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 8:32:51 pm | | ray> | Not bad. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1031) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 8:51:48 pm | | gregy> | I'll accept that post.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1032) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 9:42:10 pm | | glennmcc> | No problem, you accept the post.... I'll take the _correct_ key. | | ============================================================================ | | 1033) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 9:54:13 pm | | gregy> | ah...you avec "ooon-maaask-ded ooorsef, monseer".... | ... | I mean...that whole joke only tracks well if they were French Nights | (pun intended).... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1034) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 10:52:49 pm | URL | | gregy> | Jake....this sounds like a right bit of fun.... | | http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/another-battle-still-one-in-the-eye-for-har | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1035) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 11:07:11 pm | | gregy> | ha..!!!....been so long....and I couldn't remember the hotkey(s) for | Quickpad....and....it isn't listed under that name, so "F7" Search will | not work for it....humpfff...!!!! | ... | he he...used a little "arachne-guestimatitis" and found it....sheesh..!! | ...how can anything be so easy and useful....???? | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1036) Sat, Oct 14, 2006 - 10:23:30 am | | Jake> | #1034 Most news has been about new top brass and his thoughts about | UK forces in Iraq. | | ============================================================================ | | 1037) Sat, Oct 14, 2006 - 3:47:02 pm | | glennmcc> | 'K' for keys.... | | Alt+Q | Quick notepad | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1038) Sat, Oct 14, 2006 - 4:08:14 pm | | ray> | Jake, I'm betting you guys will cut your losses and bug out of there | quite soon. I thought it was simple decency on your part to back up | the Yanks but we all know now that the pretext for the invasion was | a lie, and that, as so many people predicted, the almost impossible | task is/was not winning the war, but winning the aftermath. And it's | now obvious the Bush gang has no idea what they got themselves into. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1039) Sat, Oct 14, 2006 - 5:38:00 pm | | Jake> | The US military is already planning for Peak Oil. | | I hope we don't join `em for another foray into Korea! | | The Battle of Hastings re-enactment was the last feature | on the BBC 24-hour news just now. From the smell of my | pee after eating asparagus, I'm supposed to have a dose | of French blood, but we Brits have been subjugated by the | frogs since 1066. The guy in the Manor House here is a | Tollemache, and his family are the landowners at a nearby | village. | | ============================================================================ | | 1040) Sat, Oct 14, 2006 - 8:20:15 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, | | From #1029 joke: | ''A horseman approached. It was the knights best friend. | He yells - "Hey, you gave me the wrong key!!" '' | | From #1037: | | 'K' for keys.... | | There's the answer...just use the hotkey... | | But...when all else fails...i just pick | the lock. Dad told me that a | little time spent in locksmith school | would come in handy...you know.... | open a lot of "doors" so to speak !!! hehehehehe | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1041) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 9:18:57 am | | ray> | Jake, you saying the US is going to invade Korea? Sh*t, that | little creep has nukes and he will use them if he's pushed. | Bye-bye Seul Seaul Soul ... the capital of South Korea. | The US hasn't picked a fight with any country that could possibly | defend themselves since WWII ... no since the Cuban MC. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1042) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 12:35:27 pm | | Eric> | Jake, you wrote: | | >The US military is already planning for Peak Oil. | | What is Peak Oil? I don't understand. | | ============================================================================ | | 1043) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 12:46:07 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | That's gotta be one of those military codewords for some secret | opperation. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1044) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 1:39:04 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubbert_peak | | ============================================================================ | | Š 1045) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 2:17:50 pm | | ray> | Nice article, and I thought it was a codeword <:-/ | | | ============================================================================ | | 1046) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:07:27 pm | | Eric> | I fail to understand what Peak Oil has to do with | N. Korea or the Iraq situation under discussion. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1047) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:59:32 pm | | glennmcc> | It's all about power. | | ============================================================================ | | 1048) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 6:04:01 pm | | Eric> | Well, it's for sure that self preservation is the major | concern of all parties. My concern is how many parties | have aggression as their main motive. | | ============================================================================ | | 1049) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 6:07:24 pm | | Eric> | It's my opinion that suicide bombers come from an | attitude of aggression.....death for the infidels! | | | ============================================================================ | | 1050) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 6:56:44 pm | | Jake> | Practically all critics of US involvement in the Middle East | say that the real reason "you" are there is to ensure oil | supplies. | | It's 50 years since the Suez Crisis, when Britain & France | tried to exert some influence in the region. A bit further | back and there was the Korean War. | | It's taken as a certainty by comedians and pundits that all | a rogue state has to do to have influence with the US is to | get a small pile of nukes before Uncle Sam can put a stop to | the program. | | President Musharraf of Pakistan was somewhat p*ssed off by a | US assurance that his country would be bombed back into the | Stone Age on the assumption that Pakistan wasn't aligned with | US interests. | | It took Britain and the US less than 10 years to about face | from decrying pre-WWII attacks against civillians in Spain, | China and Ethiopia to using the same tactics against civillians, | including 67,000 deaths in occupied France and a million each | in Germany and Japan. | | Right now, UK armaments workers are being subsidized by in excess | of $20,000 per worker per year, at the tax-payer's expense, for | the production of armaments being sold to regimes such as N. Korea. | | ============================================================================ | | 1051) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 9:11:39 pm | | Eric> | Jake, It doesn't take any genius to see that we would | like to ensure oil supplies. That is what I already | stated....self preservation is everyone's goal.... | except....the suicide bombers. What is important | and hardest to decypher is other ancilary motivations. | The USA is criticized for not stopping genicide in | Africa but we are also criticized for our actions | in Iraq where similar noxious actions were occuring. | | ============================================================================ | | 1052) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 9:16:34 pm | | Eric> | Keep in mind that only 10% of what is published and/or | distributed by other means is the "truth". Most is | politically or monetarily distorted. And that 10% is | probably an exageratedly high estimate. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1053) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 9:30:04 pm | | Eric> | Jake, It's the little power struggles....between the | "little" guys over money and political power that start | the whole "true disclosure" of truth dissemination | distortion. It's a trickle-up affair. | It's like an upside-down pyramid scheme. It | trickles up from the little guys to the head | honchos and nations. | | ============================================================================ | | 1054) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 4:03:45 pm | | gregy> | Ray.... | "...the Yanks but we all know now that the pretext for the invasion was | a lie, and that, as so many people predicted, the almost impossible..." | | That statement you just posted IS a lie.....if you don't know that, by | now, then you are woefully uninformed/illinformed..... | ...or...you are deliberately lying... | ... | I'm just calling you on it...since I don't like to see a friend in such | a sad state.... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1055) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 4:09:36 pm | | gregy> | Also....the US, did not "pick a fight" with anyone in WW II....go read | the history.. | ... | Also...I suppose you could say that we "picked a fight" with N. Korea.. | ..if you're a braindead proggy-lib... | ... | likewise...Vietnam....we SURE were gonna get some benefit from helping | the S.Vietnamese....yeah sure....BIG advantage for the US....but..then | ...you proggy-libs are always talking a good fight...but you continually | betray any "allies" (I put it in quotes, since you people haven't the | slightest idea of how to be allies, except when it's to the Soviets and | their clients)....betray any allies who become inconvenient.. | ... | I know....I mean...it's just TOOOOOO much effort to be honorable...so | ...hey..!!!....just kick their fingers loose from the cliffedge, and | walk away... | ... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1056) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 4:29:23 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Re: Allies... That's where the most dangerous | politics come to play... too much "allies of convenience" | interplay... probably a necessary evil but I think in | most cases the "allies creature" either suddenly turns | around and bites us or else sneaks up behind us to poke | us in the neather regions or attempts to change our | gender by amputation. In most cases the "disturbances" | in world peace are perpetrated by an entity that was | at one time "used" as an ally by us in some previous | confrontation. In many cases, we taught them how | to cause trouble and acted blindly as their supplier. | | ============================================================================ | | 1057) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 4:35:06 pm | | Jake> | "we SURE were gonna get some benefit from helping the S.Vietnamese" | | The military-industrial complex would heartily agree. | | ============================================================================ | | 1058) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 4:37:59 pm | URL | | gregy> | Jake....love you...but....same to you...!!! | ... | Ray....(and Jake)....here's a little HISTORY for you both...to maybe | displace some of that proggy-lib MainLeftStreamMedia poison koolaid | that you've drunk and let seep into your brains... | ... | http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009098 | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1059) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 4:38:05 pm | URL | | Jake> | Whelp, it looks like the sons of Nelson won't be much help | with any blockade of N.Korea | | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/16/wnkorea16.xm | | ============================================================================ | | 1060) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 4:56:16 pm | URL | | Jake> | #1058 | | So, what do you suggest??? And why d'you suggest I'm an apologist | for N.Korea? Some of these respondents appreciate the problem. | | I suggest flooding the place with video iPods filled with programmes | about Western life, to encourage demand for change from within, like | the VOA program. | | ============================================================================ | | 1061) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 5:00:37 pm | | gregy> | From London's Daily Telegraph: | | It has taken more than 12 months and cost about £10,000 but a council | is finally on the verge of discovering the identity of a man who kept | saying "baa" during a planning meeting. | | After a wide-ranging investigation, Havering council, based in Romford, | Essex, has prepared a 300-page report, according to the Romford Recorder | newspaper. | | Unfortunately, the downside is that the prime suspect is no longer a | councillor and is, therefore, beyond the scope of any punishment that it | might want to mete out. The incident has it roots in a planning meeting | in September last year when an application was being heard to put a | mobile home on a farm housing rare breeds of horses and sheep. | | The solemnity of the debate was, apparently, interrupted by a male | councillor making unhelpful "baa-ing" noises. | | Wow, this is almost as trivial as the Valerie Plame kerfuffle! | ... | ..but...I suppose that "denigrating sheep" is a just, politically | correct reason for sanctions..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1062) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 5:03:52 pm | | gregy> | Yeah...that oughta work....especially for the ones who die of starvaton | each day....or who are placed end-to-end and have a steamroller (or | modern equivalent) run over them from the feet up... | ... | iPods will REALLY help improve these conditions... | ... | Just like "Oil-for-food" improved conditions for the 300,000+ | inhabitants of Saddam's "underground mass storage facilities"... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1063) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 5:05:06 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, It makes no difference to my foot whether I | shoot it myself or whether the enemy shoots it...the | foot receives the same damage...but...it makes a | difference to my mind. In my anger at the enemy the | tendency is to get even...so...I forget that the | foot is damaged and kick the enemy with it. If the | enemy was a former ally I am more pissed so I | kick harder. Who gets hurt the most is a toss up | but for sure it isn't going to help heal the | damaged foot...but...it might prevent my enemy | from shooting me in the head untill I can develop | a better strategy. | | ============================================================================ | | 1064) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 5:05:55 pm | | gregy> | Oh, and you noticed in her article...that the S.Korean "millions for | reform" funds went to fund the nuke program... | ... | ...uh huh...sure did help "reform" ...alright...... | .... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1065) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 5:12:56 pm | | gregy> | yeah, Eric...I kinda agree with you, there..... | ... | What I determine (and have determined since I was about 6-8 years old.. | ..was... | ..... | We need to keep the buggers from smacking us, and if our restraint does | NOT achieve that desired end....then....we need to be strong enough to | absorb a telling blow (which we always seem to have been) and massively | crush the miscreant who landed that blow on us... | ... | With all the proggy-lib lies....we have had a michael-morrlish pitcher | of Saddam, et al the terrorists, painted in soft pastels, and sprayed | over with french perfume (to disguise the rancid decay-smell, and smell | of crap)....so...that anyone listening to said picture would/will | feel sooooooooooo sorry for the poor widdow victims of America's horrid | agression.....yep.....sure corresponds to reality...alright... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1066) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 5:13:02 pm | | Jake> | So how many will Uncle Sam kill to get the job done? | | What brought about the liberation of Eastern Europe? | | ============================================================================ | | 1067) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 6:02:32 pm | | Eric> | Jake, I guess Uncle Sam will kill as many as it takes | to assure his survival. That doesn't mean he enjoys | killing...or...wants to kill...he would rather duck | the opponent's jab most of the time...but...like any | other human, when he gets mad, he sometimes gets tired | of ducking...and...when he takes a swing and his | opponent ducks, sometimes an observer that is standing | too close, sometimes even the ref, gets struck. It's | not intentional but the punch can't be stopped. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1068) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 6:03:47 pm | | gregy> | The Ghosts of Defeat | | Realists exist in a freeze-frame reality, blind to the long-term | consequence of cold, calculating, short-term decisions. Several | argue for a pull-out from Iraq. | | Discussions of time tables and phases are mere spin for withdrawal. | It's too easy to forget or ignore the human costs of such a decision, | or the sense of betrayal which we telegraph around the world. In his | history of the 1970s, my colleague David Frum relates the story of | Sirik Matak, whom the US embassy in Phnom Penh offered to evacuate | as the Khmer Rouge closed in on the city. Matak refused, writing | this letter to the US ambassador. It should be a must read for the | "abandon Iraq" crowd: | | ============================================================================ | | 1069) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 6:04:06 pm | | gregy> | Dear Excellency and Friend, | | I thank you very sincerely for your letter and for your offer to | transport me towards freedom. I cannot, alas, leave in such a | cowardly fashion. As for you, and in particular for your great | country, I never believed for a moment that you would have this | sentiment of abandoning a people which has chosen liberty. | | You have refused us your protection, and we can do nothing about it. | You leave, and my wish is that you and your country will find happiness | under this sky. But, mark it well, that if I shall die here on this | spot and in my country that I love, it is no matter, because we all | are born and must die. I have only committed the mistake of believing | you. | ... | ... | ... | ... | The Khmer Rouge shot Matak in the stomach. He took three days to die. | | ============================================================================ | | 1070) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 6:07:59 pm | | gregy> | Jake....Re: 1068....I perceive that you are under the delusion that | eastern europe "just fell"....??? | ... | Better go back and reread your history....you're old enough to know | better... | ... | And..."how many will the US kill, etc"....this is specious nonsense | ...tatamont to ascribing moral equivalence to Hitler and the Jews.. | ... | I mean....THEY were responsible because, if they hadn't existed, then | ole hitler wouldn't have had to exterminate them.... | ... | ..fair enough....and the brits were to blame for Dunkirk.... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1071) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 6:09:20 pm | | gregy> | oh, and also to blame for Poland, etc... | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1072) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 6:10:12 pm | | gregy> | but...they WERE to blame for Chamberlains MUNICH......that's an | HISTORICAL FACT...!!!! | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1073) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 6:13:15 pm | | Eric> | Jake, It seems to me that most of the time Uncle Sam | gets criticized for not acting fast enough. Uncle Sam | gets slammed for spending too much time evaluating | any given situation instead of blindly jumping into | the fire. Often he is prodded into action by those | who criticize most severly after action is taken. | Uncle Sam is not placing the road-side-bombs in | Iraq. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1074) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 6:24:03 pm | | gregy> | well...Eric...inspite of the FACT that EVERYBODY knew Saddam had WMD... | and..inspite of the fact that the nefarious "16-words" are STILL based | on good intelligence and valid FACTS...inspite of the RELIABLE reports | about the moving of his WMDs (the small stocks he had on hand)...in | spite of all this.... | ... | And..it the face of the DOCUMENTED rape-rooms, torture-chambers, and | mass-graves.....and the DOCUMENTED use of nerve gas at Halajba and other | Kurdish villages.....in spite of all this.... | ... | WE WAS WRONG.....!!!!!....the US is THE aggressor.....I mean...if you | don't believe me.....just ask ole George.....(George Galloway, I mean) | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1075) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 6:49:25 pm | | Jake> | Eastern Europe freed itself by a rising percentage of the populace | risking all for a better life, until there were too many to be | dictated too. | | If the downtrodden population of N.Korea don't know what they're | missing out on, they're not going to rise up and will be too brain | washed to grab the opportunity of regime-change forced from outside. | They'll obediently fight it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1076) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 6:50:50 pm | | Jake> | If they're all brainwashed, are you going to kill them all? | | | ============================================================================ | | 1077) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 6:51:40 pm | | Jake> | Cheaper to drop iPods on `em and wait 50 years... | | ============================================================================ | | 1078) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 6:53:48 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, You forgot....Uncle Sam is also wrong because | he was lenient the first time and gave Saddam a chance | to reform...or regroup...double entandre intended. | | ============================================================================ | | 1079) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 6:58:39 pm | | Eric> | Jake, OK...education is always the final goal...so | join forces with Uncle Sam...You drop the iPods and | Uncle Sam will try other stratagies. If you actually | dropped the iPods you might even influence the "other | stratagies". | | | ============================================================================ | | 1080) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 7:03:31 pm | | Jake> | The "other strategies"... there's the rub. | | Picture a windswept Scottish isle, dependent on sales of luxury | knitwear to well-heeled no-doubt-liberal types in the US. Now | visit it after trade sanctions have been applied... | | ============================================================================ | | 1081) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 7:06:19 pm | | Jake> | Wasn't it "Dallas" and "Dynasty" that helped with the downfall | of Soviet satellite states? Everyone wanted to get themselves | some shoulder-pads and big-hair-blondes. | | ============================================================================ | | 1082) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 7:21:19 pm | | Eric> | Jake, But...we don't have 50 yrs. ... global warming | will get us before then. Maybe outer space is the answer? | The question is to we strive for a way to ship them into | outer space or do we find a way to escape into outer | space? Ah, there's the rub again...is it better to be | the shipper or the shippee? | | | ============================================================================ | | 1083) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 7:31:42 pm | | Eric> | Jake, Re: Downfall of soviet satellite states.....Nah.... | I think that the Internet and Porn had more to do with | the downfall...Of course, the continued existance of | "free" states such as GB and USA and Canada and Israel | and Australia...ya da, ya da, ya da,....had nothing to | do with said "downfall". | | ============================================================================ | | 1084) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 7:53:32 pm | | gregy> | Jake...Re: 1076, et al.....yeah...it was ALL obviously due to iPods, | pr0n, etc.... | .... | Not one drop of blood was at all useful.... | ... | ... | However....that's your "western" view....the actual former denizens of | eastern europe proclaim an entirely obverse message (ref. the group in | eastern europe who have built a monument to, and proclaim as a hero, | Ronald Reagan...!!! | ...ta da...!!!! | ... | Of course, they're just deluded hacks who don't know anything, after | all, it is only in the "enlightened west" that we know the REAL story | on ANYthing and EVERYthing..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1085) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:03:44 pm | URL | | gregy> | Eric, Glenn....aren't you guys from Ohio??? (or close???)...might be | interesting..... | | http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/kstrassel/?id=110009100 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1086) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:23:32 pm | | ray> | Statue of the Gipper? Where? Got a link? | But why not? I think history will judge the Dutch quite favourably. | Pardon, not statue, monument. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1087) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:24:54 pm | URL | | gregy> | Yep...all that there "velvet revolution (al la iPods, pr0n, "Just Say | YES..!!!") stuff sure does work.....I mean....like HERE...!!!! | | http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17560 | | | ============================================================================ | | 1088) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:26:55 pm | URL | | gregy> | Ray...it's in Czech Republic, or Hungary, or somesuch....and there's a | "Society" in Poland, and in a couple of the Baltic Republics, too.. | .. | And, you can go ask the Berliners about, "Mr. Gorbbbbbyyyy, tear down | this wall"....etc.... | .. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1089) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:30:24 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Goin' back a few posts, seems to me that even Reps are now admitting | that the WMD stuff was basicaly made up. And you misunderstand me | about WWII -- that was a 'good' war, if anything you Yanks should | have got involved sooner. Like Eric says, when the world isn't | dumping on the USofA for getting involved, they are dumping on it | for NOT getting involved, and it's a wee bit hypocritical IMHO. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1090) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:33:46 pm | | gregy> | oooo...answered before I even asked.... | ... | One of the references is in the article linked in #1087..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1091) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:38:30 pm | | Jake> | You're jumping the gun re: iPods, Internet and its depravity. | Back in the 20thC it was underground press and TV. _Now_ it can | be phone cameras and YouTube. Video-iPod is easy to hide, big | capacity, not susceptible to jamming. | | Of course blood was spilled, no doubt some of it to make a protest | in ultimately futile attempts to jump the Berlin Wall. | | But none of us bombed any of them, and to do so would've been | counter-productive. Instead, the old bombers were used to air- | freight supplies during the Berlin Airlift. | | BTW, my western view includes being a minority in a classroom | of Catholic sons of Polish WWII immigrants (I'm afraid my father | was vehemently anti-Catholic and, though he was dead by then, I | wondered if I was entering the lion's den). | | | ============================================================================ | | 1092) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:44:32 pm | | gregy> | Ray....factual history cannot help it if the Reps are turning into a | hopeless bunch of chickenshits...@!!!! | ... | ..and the stuff wasn't "basically made up"...that's fucking historical | revisionism, al la the pinko-commie type of revisionism....and I refuse | to allow you to utter it here without naming it for what is is... | ... | Your post is essentially, actually, factually, and historically | ..BULLSHIT..!!!!....BULLSHIT...!!!....BULLSHIT...!!! | ... | Now, for you to refute that statement, you must go and find me ONE | major intelligence service that, prior to July 2003, did NOT issue | report after report that "Saddam has WMD, and will use them." | .... | Why the fucking hell do you think we afflicted our troops with extreme | counter-NBC (nuke/bios/chem) measures...??? Oh, of course, by your | squirrely proggy-lib way of thinking (or, to be charitable, your | proggy-lib-poisoned thinking)...our counter-NBC measures were just a | form of "head fake" to mislead the whole world (and ourselves) into | thinking that WE really thought Saddam had WMD and would use them, when | in fact, we KNEW he had no such stuff...... | ... | And...ALL the major intell services were likewise "headfaking"....just | to make the lielielielie more "majority opinion"....but..of course we | never, ever, really believed that... | ... | What an utter bullshittish typical proggy-lib oral-bowel-movement.. | ...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | | ============================================================================ | | 1093) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:46:05 pm | | gregy> | Jake...read that post about Hungary....that's my answer to you... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 1094) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:48:38 pm | | Jake> | Hungary was way before 1989. Why not cite the Warsaw Uprising or | other examples (e.g. colonial tax-dodgers? ) | | | ============================================================================ | | 1095) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:50:46 pm | | Jake> | You totally trust "major intelligence services", yet pour | scorn on climate scientists whose views don't match yours. | | Are not the ISes in the (fat) pay of Govt? | | ============================================================================ | | 1096) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:53:49 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Detroit Tigers are not from Ohio...therefore... | Metropolitan Detroit is not in Ohio...but not far away. | Michigan Gov. Granholm is Dem. not Rep. ... local economy is | bad but may not be bad enough to push her down the slide. | Nasty fight going on here. | | ============================================================================ | | 1097) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:02:15 pm | URL | | Jake> | http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/america | | | ============================================================================ | | 1098) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:07:22 pm | | gregy> | "...other examples (e.g. colonial tax-dodgers? ) ..."...yes, I | like that example.... | | ============================================================================ | | 1099) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:08:16 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Gov. Granholm of course claims she needs more | time to undo the damage done by former Rep. Gov. Engler. | The Chinese influence on the job market is a big bone | of contention and unfavorable business tax atmosphere | in Michigan. BTW, Did I see big snow clouds over | your area on the radar map today. | | ============================================================================ | | Š 1100) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:09:58 pm | | gregy> | Jake...the "ISes" were NOT trying to "write revisionist history"....the | glob-waaammms are....now... | ... | again, go find ONE major intell report that did NOT say Saddam had WMDs | and would use them..... | ... | Otherwise you have not refuted my statement...which called Ray's | statement for what it was, BULLSHIT..!!! | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1101) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:14:56 pm | | gregy> | Eric....you can "trust your beautiful eyes."..... | ... | I just let the big cat out, and we're getting a bit of light, tiny-size | snow....with the clouds just really dense-packed overhead.... | ... | We haven't gotten it, yet...but those clouds are REALLY heavy....when | they start to let loose, we're gonna "get snowed under"...(a cliche' | turning into reality.......) | | | ============================================================================ | | 1102) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:20:05 pm | | gregy> | oh, and, BTW....the so-called "refutation" of those famous "16-words" | has, itself, now been thoroughly discredited... | ...and... | The refuter-in-chief's (oleJoe Wilsoing - rhymes with boing) whole tale | has, internally, been shown to be refuting itself....i.e. his tale | actually shows that Iraq WAS trying to buy uranium in Africa, in the | late 1990s... | ... | And YOUR own gov'mnt commission re-affirmed the accuracy and | truthfullness of their original report upon which GW's 16-words was | partially based.. | | | ============================================================================ | | 1103) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:22:30 pm | URL | | Jake> | http://arachne.le14.co.uk/wmd/ | Iraq's WMD Programs: Culling Hard Facts from Soft Myths | originally from: | https://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/press_release/2003/pr11282003.html | ----* | | More articles indexed at: | https://www.cia.gov/search?NS-search-page=results (search for wmd) | | | ============================================================================ | | 1104) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:27:16 pm | | Eric> | Jake, Re: #1097 ...WMDs...Sounds like a real sound | investigation...starting with the premise that there | are no WMDs...they must have been looking real hard... | sounds like they had a real incentive to search... | and what about all the innocent civilians that Saddam | was torturing and killing. And who's planting roadside | bombs and driving suicide bombs...Uncle Sam?...NO! | He's risking life and limb to stop such atrocities!!! | | | ============================================================================ | | 1105) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:28:51 pm | URL | | Jake> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction | | You can join in and edit this! | | ============================================================================ | | 1106) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:29:43 pm | | ray> | Geez Gregy, I don't have any reports at hand, but everything I've | read over the past few years, from left and right, says that | the WMD thing was just way overblown. Sheesh, when Reps and Dems and | proggies and flat-earthers all agree that something is true, well | how can't a guy believe it? Now, I only know what I read and see | and can figure out with my own brains. I have no personal knowledge | of the inteligence about WMD and Saddam but how can I ignore the | near universal conclusion that Bush/Cheney/Rummy/Rice grossly | exagerated this? Have any WMD been found? Seems there's a few | old gas shells. | | That don't make me a Saddam lover! You guys should have bought | yourselves a new general, financed a coup, had his ass murdered and | left the Iraqis alone for their sakes AND yours. Same with | the Great Leader, bombing and invading won't do any good, find the | little creep and take him out surgicaly then, as Jake says, use | your bombers to feed the poor bastards like you did in Japan and | Berlin. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1107) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:32:47 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, I hope you don't end up like Buffalo, NY. | They're really messed up and they're used to | lots of snow there. | | ============================================================================ | | 1108) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:38:55 pm | | gregy> | Jake....Re: #1103....I think you posted a link to the wrong report.. | .......that one completely bolsters my contention that all the | major Intel Services knew, "Saddam has WMDs and will use them." | .. | You sure you wanna go with THAT one...??? | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 1109) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:50:21 pm | | gregy> | Ray...I'll give you the benefit of the doubt (I DID say, "charitable") | .... | The problem you have is you're getting WAAYYAAYAYAYA to much proggy-lib | input into your data channels... | .. | NO....!!!!....everybody (left/right/etc/et al/flatearthersincluded) | hasn't been agreeing that "WMDs were way overblown"....ONLY the sleezy | crap-merchants you've been sucking on... | ... | Suggestion....get rid of ALL your MLSM-infested sources and start going | to REAL news/data sites.....maybe (like lead poisoning) you'll be able | to leach the proggy-lib-poison out of your mental proc