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| 1) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 12:00:34 am 
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| gregy>
| New board...
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| 2) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 12:08:32 am 
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| Reset00>
| new year...
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|  3) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 12:16:50 am 
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| gregy>
| Last 11 messages:
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| | 230) Mon, Dec 26, 2005 - 7:01:48 pm 
| |
| | glennmcc>
| | Jake,
| |
| | The CisNet server experienced another glitch in the matrix.
| |
| | All posts to AQCCC between 3am and 6pm yesterday have 'vaporized'. :((
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| | 231) Mon, Dec 26, 2005 - 7:31:11 pm 
| |
| | gregy>
| | well, then...they must not have been of "earthshaking importance" or I'm
| | sure the Good Lord would have preserved them.....<g g g>
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| | 232) Mon, Dec 26, 2005 - 7:43:08 pm 
| |
| | glennmcc>
| | Good point. <ggg>
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| | 233) Tue, Dec 27, 2005 - 12:37:25 am 
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| | gregy>
| | really...???...but...but...it was only a frivolous statement....<g g g>
| | ...how did it ever make it into the "good point" column....
| | ...
| | ...<g g g g g g>
| | ...
| | ...
| | (I can't help it...I'm just in an unserious mood, tonight...<g g g>...)]
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| | 234) Tue, Dec 27, 2005 - 8:43:25 pm 
| | URL
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| | gregy>
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| | http://commentary.threatswatch.org/2005/12/disinformation-operations/
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| | 235) Wed, Dec 28, 2005 - 7:00:43 pm 
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| | gregy>
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| | http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&artnum=1&issu
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| | 236) Wed, Dec 28, 2005 - 7:39:46 pm 
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| | gregy>
| | It's Bush's fault...he didn't sign the Kyoto Treaty.....!!!!!!
| |
| | http://www.guardian.co.uk/weather/Story/0,2763,1674492,00.html?gusrc=rss
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| | 237) Wed, Dec 28, 2005 - 7:40:17 pm 
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| | gregy>
| | oops....
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| | 238) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 5:58:51 pm 
| |
| | gregy>
| | This board will be archived about midnight, my time...
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| | 239) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 6:15:10 pm 
| |
| | Jake>
| | Just time to nip in a Happy New Year from somewhere where it's already
| | arrived. As per the American tradition you probably want more than one,
| | so "Happy New Years"!
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| |  240) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 6:35:40 pm 
| |
| | gregy>
| | well, old chap, I left you one on your board, and one on AVA...but, it's
| | still only about 8:30pm, here...couple more hours to go....<g g g>
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| 4) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 12:17:48 am 
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| gregy>
| Greetings...!!!!!  Reset00....<g>...Bruno..I trust you had a Merry
| Christmas...???
| ...
| And I hope you have a Happy and Prosperous New Year......<g g g g>
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| 5) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 8:48:54 am 
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| glennmcc>
| HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE !!!
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| 6) Mon, Jan 02, 2006 - 10:29:59 pm 
| URL
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| gregy>
| Ahhh...our tax dollars, pre- and post-Katrina, at work for us, in
| Louisiana.......
|
| http://2theadvocate.com/stories/123105/new_remodeling001.shtml
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| 7) Tue, Jan 03, 2006 - 3:46:30 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| You didn't REALLY expect any better from a democrat... now did you ?!?!
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| 8) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 5:07:32 am 
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| gregy>
| well...now...perhaps not...<g g g>....I've gotta keep reminding myself
| that, at heart, I'm a "Montana Democrat"....for years and years....
| ..it's just....well....just...just....that I'm standing all alone, here,
| while them other'n have disappeared over the faaaarrrr left horizon
| .....<g g g g>
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| 9) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 5:48:25 am 
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| gregy>
| Now, why doesn't this surprise me....????  or disturb me, very much..??
| <g g g>
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| http://news.zdnet.com/2102-1009_22-6016140.html?tag=printthis
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| 10) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 6:01:03 am 
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| gregy>
| And...surprise..!!! surprise...!!!....now, how could this possibly
| happen...???.......<g g g>....and...I wonder if the MainLeftStreamMedia
| will follow up....???  or, more likely, try to bury it.....
| ...
| http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/3/115231.shtml?s=et
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| 11) Thu, Jan 05, 2006 - 8:33:10 am 
| URL
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| gregy>
| Tsk..Tsk..Tsk....that naughty MainLeftStreamMedia....
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| http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/5/101649.shtml
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| 12) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 6:58:51 am 
| URL
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| gregy>
| Oh..!!!...zounds...!!! and gadzooks...!!!
| ...is nothing free from sham and fraud...?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
|
| http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006000704,00.html
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| 13) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 5:22:18 pm 
| URL
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| Jake>
| <URL>
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|  14) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 7:18:56 pm 
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| gregy>
| Thanks, Jake....I can't listen since I'm not set up for streaming audio
| ....just an ole DOSosaur....<g g g>
| ...
| ..but..I read the blurb, and I suspect "manipulating climage change
| research"....was the typical liberal attack-segment.....you know...
| ..claim "glob-waam" enough times, preferably at the hysterical top of
| you voice, and it'll happen...or...at least....most of the people will
| be brainwashed into believing it....<g g g g>
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| 15) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 8:51:57 pm 
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| gregy>
| tele....our #arachne Founder, Mark Willis seems to have disappeared..
| ...so..the chan reg expired.....
| ...
| I reregistered it...and now we need to OP you.....give me your
| REGISTERED nickname and I'll SOP you next time I'm on there...
| ..
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| 16) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 10:43:12 pm 
| URL
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| gregy>
| well, well, well....what HAVE we here...????
|
| http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.a
|
| ...
| ...
| ..this's gotta be all "BUSH's FAULT..!!!!!"....
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| 17) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 11:51:18 pm 
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| gregy>
| yupper....just as I thought....if IS...all BUSH's FAULT..!!!!
|
| http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=a5S3M4D4J6mA&refer=hom
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| 18) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 11:52:04 pm 
| URL
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| gregy>
| oops...no URL....
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| http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=a5S3M4D4J6mA&refer=hom
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| 19) Sat, Jan 07, 2006 - 12:13:25 am 
| URL
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| gregy>
| annnnd...'round and 'round we go....<gg g>
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| http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/561rocjb.a
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| 20) Sat, Jan 07, 2006 - 12:20:54 am 
| URL
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| gregy>
| ..aaannnnd...here we come out....upsidedown...!!!!
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| http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/569wwiwx.a
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| 21) Sat, Jan 07, 2006 - 2:40:10 am 
|
| Jake>
| I've got the Beeb's prog saved and can convert to MP3, which would be
| 12 or 15 MB.
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|  22) Sat, Jan 07, 2006 - 3:04:12 am 
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| gregy>
| yes...that would be nice, if I currently had a box set up with soundcard
| and speakers....<g g g>
| ...
| As I said...DOSosaur.....<g g g g>
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| 23) Sat, Jan 07, 2006 - 4:46:43 am 
| URL
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| gregy>
| ah, yes...that ole debil Global Warming, again....and it's all because
| Bush didn't sign the Kyoto treaty....
| ...
| http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006
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| 24) Sat, Jan 07, 2006 - 4:51:47 am 
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| Jake>
| I could convert it to WAV
|
| I could send it on CD
|
| I could send it on cassette tape
|
| I could transcribe it (not any time soon)
|
|
|
|
| Or you could remove your selective vision blinkers <G>
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|  25) Sat, Jan 07, 2006 - 4:58:20 am 
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| Jake>
| You accuse people of jumping on the global warming bandwagon, yet
| you are doing exactly the same (from the other side) in pointing
| to the article in Post 23.
|
| Give me peer review amonst scientists over politicians' shenanigans,
| any day.
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|  26) Sat, Jan 07, 2006 - 5:58:40 am 
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| gregy>
| but..but...Jake...are we talking about the same post..23..??  I mean,
| 13ft of snow, all at a whack, and the period of the REAL snow time
| hasn't even started, yet...
| ....
| I mean...it's OBVIOUSLY, gotta be "global-warming"....right...??
| ...
| ..and we ALL know that that's Bush's fault...
| ...
| ..and..."peer review"....he he...I think you might want to go check
| on that so-called "peer review"....might be you'll find that they're
| all citing the same faulty data-extrapolations and fudgery....
| ...
| BTW...you DID know, didn't you, that that "hockey-stick" on which the
| whole thing is premised, has been totally discredited, now, BY REAL
| PEER-REVIEWED journals, because the "hockey-stick" graph was primarily
| based upon tree-ring data FROM ONE TREE in Canada....???
| ..
| Oh, you didn't...???
| ...
| Well, you might want to go do a couple googles just to keep up to date..
| ..
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| 27) Sat, Jan 07, 2006 - 6:21:48 am 
| URL
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| Jake>
| <URL> The "obvious" isn't always "right" (though the review doesn't
| tell you enough about the book).
|
| If you dismiss peer review, what d'you replace it with? Right/left
| factions? (If not political meddling, then Nazi science/Soviet science?)
| Pop culture? ("the sky's falling"). The economic imperative? Religion?(whose
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|   28) Sat, Jan 07, 2006 - 7:34:09 am 
|
| gregy>
| Jake...I apologize for the snotty tone of my previous post....I do NOT
| back down from the content, but I abhor its style, and denigratory
| tone....
| ...
| I am sorry...
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| 29) Sat, Jan 07, 2006 - 7:45:59 am 
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| gregy>
| No...the point I made, and now reiterate, is that all the peer review
| in the world is falacious if it's based upon fraudulent data, as it the
| whole global-warming argument.  If you study the pro arguments, you will
| see that they all include the "hockey-stick" graph as a crucial prop to
| their arguments.  This is in spite of the fact (this is not subjective,
| it is a statement of "THIS is opposed to THAT") that there is a great
| deal of contrary data, beginning with the historical data concerning
| the "medieval warming period" and the "little ice age"...and the temp
| data from the satelites.
| ...couple this together with the fact that many of the premier
| proponents of "global-warming" were (in the late 60s/early 70s) pushing
| the "global winter" hysteria.
| ...couple this together with the fact that "their" premise that mankind
| is capable of vastly influencing the earth's climate, just by increasing
| the so-called "greenhouse" gases, said premise has very great arguments
| and data refuting it.
| ...again...peer review is only valid if it is based upon valid data
| and correct framework of thoughts/ideas.
| ...
| I've taken this opportunity to reply calmly....<g g g>...with respect
| for your own intelligence,...but...BUT (youknewthiswascoming) without
| any real expectation that it is going to "change your mind"....<g g g>
| ...
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| 30) Sat, Jan 07, 2006 - 7:53:43 am 
|
| gregy>
| I give you an analogy and example from history.  Soviet "science" was
| for many years permeated by the false, scientifically discredited idea
| that "acquired characteristics" were inheritable.  There was GREAT peer
| review (and emphasis upon such) in the Soviet Empire, where scientists
| were publishing/arguing (under extensive peer review) that such was 
| really "scientific principle"...but...which, since the collapse of
| sovietism, has been acknowledged by previously "peer reviewed"
| proponents of that falacy, to have been a falacy...and one which was
| forced down their throats by "peer review".....so....again...peer
| review is only valid, when the reviewers are not solely parroting the
| current "church scientism" fad-dogma.....which is what "global-warming"
| is...
|
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| 31) Sat, Jan 07, 2006 - 8:21:58 am 
| URL
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| gregy>
| hmmmm...
|
| http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180896,00.html
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| 32) Sat, Jan 07, 2006 - 4:38:22 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Most of the info I have here at (URL) is from the US government.
| (NASA no-less)
|
| All of it refutes the claims of Global Warming.
|
| Some of it points to a slight 'Global cooling'.
|
| Have you ever heard mension of this stuff in the 'main stream media' ?
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/global_warming/
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| 33) Sun, Jan 08, 2006 - 3:27:38 am 
|
| gregy>
| No, of course not...  "glob-waam" is a typical liberal "chicken-little"
| operation whereby they hope to panic, herd the ordinary people into
| giving them unlimited control of their lives.
| ...
| And, the so-called "mainstreammedia" is really the "MainLeftStreamMedia"
| ...they're ALL, universally libs....(this does NOT include the more
| moderate media channels such as Fox)...thank GOD..!!! we've got the
| Inet...or, even I would be abmismally ignorant, for want of any way to
| gain the information.
|
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| 34) Sun, Jan 08, 2006 - 3:33:31 am 
|
| gregy>
| BTW...those pages are important reference material, so, please keep them
| ...<g g g>
| ...
| BTW2...mind you, I do NOT claim that the climate is NOT warming, just
| that this is part of a long-term trend and is NOT caused by humankind.
| ..
| I mean...we ARE still (I hope) coming out of that bottom-cycle called
| the "Little Ice Age"...and we have not, yet, returned back to the
| climate level that we historically had during the "Medieval Warming
| Period"....so...maybe we won't quite reach that level, but...I think
| there is still some more warming to come.  BUT..BUT...not caused by
| humankind (NOR do I claim mankind has NO effect on climate, just that
| our effect is miniscule compared to natural causes, which we apparently
| do not understand much about, thanks to the sidetrack the glob-waam
| bunch have shuffled us off on)....
|
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| 35) Sun, Jan 08, 2006 - 6:52:47 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| Yep...I said this all along...and now the "scietismists" are finally
| agreeing with me.....cats came from SoutheastAsia, and I've owned some
| of the original breed....Thai Cats.....the original ones, not those
| inbred Siamese things..
| ..
| and...I've got two of 'em, right now......<g g g g>
|
| http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4585766.stm
| http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41189000/jpg/_41189350_tab_bbc_203.jpg
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| 36) Sun, Jan 08, 2006 - 7:29:03 pm 
| URL
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| <nick>
| This one is using PHP version 4.3.
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|  37) Sun, Jan 08, 2006 - 7:29:25 pm 
| URL
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| <nick>
| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/brd/misc/mindex.php/?=PHPB8B5F2A0-3C92-11d3-A3
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|  38) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 3:13:24 am 
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| gregy>
| Gee, <nick>...thanks, that's neato...I didn't know a person could do
| that....<g g g>
| ...
| And, of course, it's the latest-and-greatest PHP...I mean, I constantly
| rip Glenn's newest source off, and modify it for my own boards...
| ...
| <g g g g>
|
| ...Glenn.......:P~~~~~~~~~~~
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| 39) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 4:38:31 am 
| URL
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| gregy>
| yep, yep...sure is Bush's fault, alright...he didn't sign Kyoto...
| ...
| http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=34712006
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| 40) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 6:49:02 am 
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| gregy>
| "&#x57"
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| 41) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 6:49:22 am 
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| gregy>
| &#x57
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| 42) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:02:29 am 
|
| gregy>
| HELP...!!!!....<g g g>  Can someone please answer the question(s) in
| my next two posts....please....????
|
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| 43) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:03:00 am 
| URL
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| gregy>
| http://arachne.virtualave.net/apub/jshtml.zip
| NOTE - in this .ZIP is 10POLL.HTM and README, plus 19 cuts.
| NOTE - 10poll.htm is the page where I found this javascript.
|
| The 11cut-19cut files are parts clipped out of the 10poll.htm page,
| at the spot shown by the <!-- ========RIGHT HERE========= etc -->
| comment block(s) in the HTML source.
|
| Each time the WND server issues the page, it gives different values
| for the javascript to display as "characters" to be typed into the
| box provided.  They do this to frustrate "Bots" voting in their
| Daily Polls.
|
| What I need to know is:
| 1.  What are the "characters" represented by the "(&)#x58" type of
| designations...???
| 2.  Where do I find definitions for what these "(&)#x58" type codes will
| display as characters (i.e. will "&#x58" display a "K" or "L" or what.??)
|
| e.g. here are some of the codes............vvvvvvv.......
| document.write('<span class="abmmrdtiqgjt">(&)#x58;</span>');
| document.write('<span class="gxfyanhgdmlw">(&)#x5A;</span>');
| document.write('<span class="edlnpkxfbtkl">(&)#x56;</span>');
| ...........................................^^^^^^^.......
|
| NOTE - see my next post for list of numbers and what they display,
| or don't display, in NetscapeCommunicator 4.08b, with Javascript ON.
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| 44) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:03:44 am 
|
| gregy>
| --------------------
| 11cut -
|        (&)#x58 = ??
|        (&)#x5A = ??
|        (&)#x56 = ??
| --------------------
| 12cut -
|        (&)#x69 = E
|        (&)#x47 = ??
|        (&)#x67 = C
| --------------------
| 13cut -
|            R = R
|            T = T
|        (&)#x4F = ??
| --------------------
| 14cut -
|        (&)#x71 = G
|        (&)#x73 = I
|        (&)#x69 = E
| --------------------
| 15cut -
|        (&)#x56 = ??
|            X = X
|        (&)#x54 = ??
| --------------------
| 16cut -
|        (&)#x54 = ??
|            U = U
|        (&)#x52 = ??
| --------------------
| 17cut -
|        (&)#x69 = E
|        (&)#x46 = ??
|        (&)#x66 = B
| --------------------
| 18cut -
|        (&)#x59 = ??
|        (&)#x41 = ??
|        (&)#x57 = ??
| --------------------
| 19cut -
|        (&)#x69 = E
|        (&)#x47 = ??
|        (&)#x66 = B
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| 45) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 9:04:00 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| yep...gotta be Bush's fault....<g g g>
| dogone economy...just won't STAY down....keeps on improving...<g>
|
| http://www.nationalreview.com/script/printpage.p?ref=/nrof_comment/darda2006
|
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| 46) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 10:18:38 am 
| URL
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| gregy>
| ahhh, yes...does anyone remember when......????
|
| http://159.54.226.83/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060109/OPINION/601090314/1
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| 47) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 10:34:54 am 
| URL
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| Jake>
| Re: 39
|
| You doggone done it again! There's no mention of Bush, Kyoto, global warming
| global cooling. It's just news about weather, and the weather's always news
| to us Brits.
|
| I've not D/L-ed the file, but check the link for entities. The x should
| be replaced with a 0 or 1 and a numeric entity shouldn't contain 3 digits 
| and no alphabetic characters between the &# and ;
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|  48) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 11:05:07 am 
|
| gregy>
| ah...I apologize for #39, and for all the others....<g g g>...I retract
| them all....they were "humor"....not "factual reporting".....however
| ...but...but (youknewthiswascoming)...the articles stand by themselves
| ....<gg g g>
|
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| 49) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 11:09:58 am 
|
| gregy>
| yes, yes, yes, yes, YESSSSSS...!!!   That's IT..!!!... You've done me
| a fine favor...Jake...that's eggs ACKery what I wanted.....!!!!!
| ...
| Saved the page....and now I just gotta condense it for handy reference
| ...
| Again, thanks, much....and...BTW....a second apology for "stuffing
| your board" with that stuff that wouldn't display.....<g g g>
| ...
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| 50) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 11:15:06 am 
|
| gregy>
| ah..Jake...no...the "x" should NOT be replaced with "0"...the "0" is
| for "decimal" numbers....the "x" indicates "hexidecimal" numbers, and
| in those, it is quite legal to have, for example, &#x4F as a number.
| ...
| What your link shows is everything in decimal, but, javascript and lots
| of other things (including HTML) allow using the "x" to designate
| hexidecimal....
| ...
| Now, all I have to do is "dec-hex" convert those decimal numbers in 
| the link you gave me, and voila..!!!  I'll have the numbers that I 
| need....<g g g>
| thanks...thanks...thanks....
|
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| ============================================================================
|
| 51) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:22:13 pm 
|
| >
| Who knows?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 52) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:22:44 pm 
|
| <nick>
| hehe, sorry.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 53) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:24:56 pm 
|
| >
| The Shadow knows.
| But I don't, ;-)
| <nick>
| No, I'm not being bad, I promise. O:)
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  54) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:27:23 pm 
|
| >
| test
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  55) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:28:17 pm 
|
| >
| test 2
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 56) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:28:55 pm 
|
| >
| test 3
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  57) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:29:53 pm 
|
| >
| cool, display of high ascii characters.
| ;-)
| <nick>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 58) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:31:07 pm 
|
| >
| one more
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  59) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:31:59 pm 
|
| >
| Don't panic!!!
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  60) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:51:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Arachne does not disply them. She does not understand
| &#xnn for HEX digits... just &#nnn for DEC digits
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 61) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:53:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc_>
| &#87
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 62) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:53:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc_>
| &#087
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 63) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:54:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc_W>
| &#087;
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 64) Mon, Jan 09, 2006 - 7:55:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc_W>
| Ah ha... there's the format she recognizes... &#087; == W
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 65) Tue, Jan 10, 2006 - 3:07:02 am 
|
| Jake>
| That's what I would expect, ever since seeing Opera3.6 unable to handle
| an entity without the leading zero.
|
| Now, who's using hex there? Maybe I just need to look and it's all around
| though in small amounts. An unseen terror? <g>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  66) Tue, Jan 10, 2006 - 4:12:14 am 
|
| gregy>
| Jake...STOP THAT..!!!  remember, humor, NOT ALLOWED...!!!
| ...<g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 67) Tue, Jan 10, 2006 - 4:14:19 am 
|
| gregy>
| Seriously, thanks, again Jake...and thanks Glenn...I was wrong...that
| "x" is NOT for designating "hexidecimal numbers"....it was an error on
| the part of that webpage's writer...
| ...
| Today's (same) webpage had the numbers without the "x".....
| ...
| So,...I'm learning (slowly, slowly)....<g g g>
| ...
| oops...sorry...humor not allowed....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 68) Tue, Jan 10, 2006 - 4:34:38 am 
|
| gregy>
| <nick>...don't apologize..."sorry" isn't accepted in here....<g g g>
| (or required)...<g>
| ...
| go ahead and be "bad"...you're welcome....<g g g>
| ...
| ..as long as you don't "bread the board"...and, if you do, .....on week
| on bread-and-water is your sentence.....<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 69) Tue, Jan 10, 2006 - 4:35:52 am 
|
| gregy>
| oops...."break the board"....even....:((( .... (can't type fur 2cents,
| tonight)....
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 70) Tue, Jan 10, 2006 - 4:08:07 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I was wron with my post over on Jake's board.
|
| Jake was right with his reply.
|
| Don't delete the 'X' ...... replace it witha leading '0'
|
| HTML entities are intended to be 3 or 4 digits... not just 2.
|
| In addition... they need a trailing ';'
|
| So the correct format for those is not &#x57 but rather &#057;
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 71) Tue, Jan 10, 2006 - 4:09:45 pm 
|
| glennmcc9>
| I placed a &#057; at the end of my nick for this post like so.
|
| glennmcc&#057;
|
| Let's see what we get.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 72) Tue, Jan 10, 2006 - 4:11:01 pm 
|
| glennmcc9>
| There we go.
| Arachne diplays the number 9 and converted it to the number 9 for this post.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 73) Tue, Jan 10, 2006 - 4:13:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| F6 to view the SRC of this page and clipped this........
|
| 71) Tue, Jan 10, 2006 - 4:09:45 pm <snip><b>glennmcc&#057;&gt;</b>
| 72) Tue, Jan 10, 2006 - 4:11:01 pm <snip><b>glennmcc9&gt;</b>
|
| ('9' removed for this post)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 74) Wed, Jan 11, 2006 - 3:55:23 am 
|
| gregy>
| heyyy...!!!  You guys are really great (I doan wanna say "genius"
| 'cause I don't wanna burst your heads)...
| ...
| Thanks for investigating and explaining that so very well...
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 75) Thu, Jan 12, 2006 - 4:50:02 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| Without comment.....<g g g g>
|
| http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/12/wplants12.x
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 76) Thu, Jan 12, 2006 - 11:22:30 am 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| Yeah, listen out for GW calling for the felling of those farty firs...
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  77) Thu, Jan 12, 2006 - 1:04:33 pm 
|
| gregy>
| felling...???  nah, too inefficient....get out the torches, burn 'em
| all...says I.....
| ....
| <gg g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 78) Thu, Jan 12, 2006 - 3:04:53 pm 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| Ah, but then misguided Greens will spray fire-retardant on the trees,
| and you northeners will get chased by homo-Polar bears escaping the
| melting icecap... <G>  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   79) Fri, Jan 13, 2006 - 12:44:47 am 
|
| gregy>
| What...!?!?!?!?!?...PolarBears in addition to the Grizzlies....????
| ...
| ...zounds..!!!...this calls for drastic action....!!!!!
| ...
| (Now, just WHERE did I stash my supply of "drastic action"...drat it!!
| ...misplacing my "drastic action" calls for drastic action..!!!...now,
| hmmm...hmmm...)......<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 80) Fri, Jan 13, 2006 - 12:50:02 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ah, yes...but it says that that stuff effects their "motor skills and
| brain functions" also....so....
| ..Bring 'em on..!!!!
| ..
| They'll be easy to outfox and outdodge......<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 81) Fri, Jan 13, 2006 - 12:50:32 am 
|
| gregy>
| test
| This is testing a llllloooooonnnnnngggggg line of text pasted into the texta
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 82) Fri, Jan 13, 2006 - 12:54:37 am 
|
| gregy>
| Hmmm...Glenn, that Post 81 was all one line, when I pasted it in.  But,
| this board script forced a wordwrap between the "into the" and
| "textarea".....
| ...
| That IS the desired action that I would want this board-script to do...
| ...but....I've noticed sometimes, over on your AQC, and on my PRJ
| board, that that doesn't always come about...I mean, that sometimes
| someone (using, I'd guess, a Mz$loth product) gets a waaayyyy long line
| into the board (as l.d. did, yesterday, on my PRJboard) and that action
| should not be possible....
| ...
| Any comments or suggestions....???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 83) Fri, Jan 13, 2006 - 1:37:54 am 
|
| gregy>
| yep...those extra-long lines certainly do mess things up.  Here they
| don't screw it all up, 'cause my ISP's servers seem to handle them, in
| the database-file on the server, in a graceful manner, but over on AVA
| PRJboard, it messes with the "refreshability" of the page....and may
| interfere with the "Get ALL messages" functions, ultimately...
| ...
| I would say, that if I had my druthers, I'd prefer the forced wordwrap,
| but...that has it's caveats, also...
| ...
| As I said, over on the PRJboard, this requires a little pondering..
| <g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 84) Fri, Jan 13, 2006 - 4:55:01 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| ah, this lousy economy...it's soooo awful...and it's all
| "you-know-who's" fault.....<g g g>
|
| http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/HermanCain/2006/01/13/182214.html
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 85) Fri, Jan 13, 2006 - 6:57:31 am 
|
| gregy>
|                     
| The Pope is visiting Washington, D.C.,   
| and President Bush takes him out for   
| an afternoon on the Potomac, sailing on 
| the Presidential yacht, the Sequoia. 
| They're admiring the sights when,    
| all of a sudden, the Pope's hat      
| (zucchetto) blows off his head and    
| out into the water.  Secret Service
| guys start to launch a boat, but
| president Bush waves them off, saying,
| "Wait, wait. I'll take care of this.
| Don't worry." Bush then steps off the yacht 
| onto the surface of the water and walks 
| out to the Holy Father's little     
| hat, bends over picks it up, then   
| walks back to the yacht and climbs    
| aboard. He hands the hat to the Pope 
| amid stunned silence. The next   
| morning, the headlines in the    
| New York Times, Boston Globe,       
| Atlanta Constitution, Washington Post,    
| Boston Herald, Buffalo News,       
| Houston Chronicle, Milwaukee           
| Sentinel-Journal, Minneapolis         
| Tribune, Denver Post, Albuquerque   
| Journal, Los Angeles Times and
| San Francisco Chronicle all proclaim:
| "Bush Can't Swim!"        
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 86) Fri, Jan 13, 2006 - 7:27:01 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| yep...it appears these sneaky things has "snuk up on us"....<g g g>
|
| http://news.ft.com/cms/s/08423a00-83da-11da-9017-0000779e2340.html
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 87) Fri, Jan 13, 2006 - 7:37:53 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
|
|
| http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2006/01/11/jumping-to-conclusion
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 88) Fri, Jan 13, 2006 - 9:43:52 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181513,00.html
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 89) Fri, Jan 13, 2006 - 10:27:58 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| Doggone...!!!  These blasted greenhouse gas emitters just keep popping
| up all over, like mushrooms..
|
| http://www.borowitzreport.com/archive_rpt.asp?rec=1295&srch=
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 90) Fri, Jan 13, 2006 - 12:00:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| gregy,
|
| Nope... this PHP did not 'wordwrap' post 81
|
| The browser does that, not this PHP code.
|
| This is your line in the SRC of this page
|
| I will 'force' it go lllloooonnnnggg by placuing a line below it that
| does not contain any spaces.
|
| This is testing a llllloooooonnnnnngggggg line of text pasted into the texta
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 91) Fri, Jan 13, 2006 - 12:09:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| This page will now remain wiiiiidddeeee until post 90 is off-screen.
|
| 'force' that by choosing to show only one message to see what I mean.
|
| In addition... I altered the 'line wrap' code in Arachne a couple of
| years ago so that she no longer wraps long URLs.
|
| --- in html.c ---
|
| //    if(in==' ' && !nbsp|| in=='/') //wrap also long unix pathnames !
|     if(in==' ' && !nbsp)//!!glennmcc: Apr 06, 2003---do not wrap long pathna
| _______________________^--moved_')'_to_here_and_commented-out_the_tiny_bit_o
|
| Oops, now you'll have to wait till this one is off screen. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 92) Fri, Jan 13, 2006 - 12:11:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Long URLs and long pathnames will only get wrapped if they contain a space a
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 93) Sun, Jan 15, 2006 - 6:17:14 am 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| Uh-oh, Blair's at it now <URL>.
|
| PRJboard? Passive Resistance to Java(Script)??
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  94) Mon, Jan 16, 2006 - 10:31:22 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....yes, I thought so....but...hey...I hadda ask....<g g g>
| ...
| And, I think you're right about leaving the wordwrap (or lack thereof)
| to the browser...
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 95) Mon, Jan 16, 2006 - 11:14:30 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| he he he.....my reply is, "Well ole Mummar, ole boy, we'll just hafta
| import replacements for all you 'popping people' and repopulate your
| country with OUR people."......<g g g g>
|
| http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/16/03949.shtml
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 96) Mon, Jan 16, 2006 - 1:17:29 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
|
| http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/2005/08/jungle-law_10.html
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 97) Thu, Jan 19, 2006 - 4:32:57 pm 
| URL
|
| Reset00>
| I have placed a short list of all of the uninstallable Arachne Apm on the
| following page:
|
| http://telusplanet.net/public/bjlcasto/apx.htm
|
| On the same page there is a Neopaint.apm for testing (... well APX/apm).
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 98) Thu, Jan 19, 2006 - 6:10:11 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Thanks, Bruno...I'll go look....and I will email you about your AMPTool
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 99) Thu, Jan 19, 2006 - 6:11:07 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
|
| http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/19/060119141837.r0tg2976.html
| http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/19/D8F7TLHO0.html
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 100) Thu, Jan 19, 2006 - 8:03:25 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
|
| http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19659
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 101) Sat, Jan 21, 2006 - 2:01:54 pm 
|
| gregy>
| neato...Just installed my BTC 16x-10x-40x CD-R/W drive in this box, and
| it seems to be working....gotta give it more of a workout, but it looks
| okay...
| ...
| Now, if it checks thru some tests, then all I hafta do is install that
| CDRoast an try to get it working and, maybe, can start burning some
| CD-ROM disks.....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 102) Sat, Jan 21, 2006 - 4:50:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| rem --- c:\dao\HDD2IDE.BAT ---
| @echo off
| c:
| cd \cdrom\doscdrst
| if "%1%"=="" goto err
| if "%2%"=="" goto err
| if "%3%"=="" goto err
| if not direxist h:\!hd2cd md h:\!hd2cd
| echo %3>h:\!hd2cd\%1.txt
| if exist h:\!hd2cd\%1.iso goto write
| makeiso.exe @h:\!hd2cd\%1.txt h:\!hd2cd\%1.iso /volume=%1 /recurse /hidden /
| goto write
| :err
| echo hdd2cd <volume_name> <test or real> <drive:dir> (to be burned to cd)
| echo volume_name is also .txt file in h:\!hd2cd containing:
| echo drive:\path\file_name(s)
| echo c:\ (drive c: all files in all directories)
| echo f:\1zip\ (drive f: all files in \1zip\ {includes sub dirs under \1zip\)
| echo examples
| echo hdd2cd.bat my_1st_cd test c:\
| echo hdd2cd.bat drive_f real f:\
| echo hdd2cd.bat pictures real g:\graphics\pictures\
| goto end
| :write
|
| :loadide
| rem P4 IDE CDRW
| ddl.com c:\cdrom\doscdrst\ASPI.SYS
|
| :burnit
|
| if "%2"=="test" goto test
| if "%2"=="real" goto real
| goto err
| :test
| file2cd h:\!hd2cd\%1.iso /speed=4 /beep /test /noconfirm
| goto end
| :real
| file2cd h:\!hd2cd\%1.iso /speed=4 /beep /eject /noconfirm
| goto end
|
| --- command line swiches for makeiso.exe ---
|
| MAKEISO.EXE - Version 3.8A (December 1999)
| Copyright (c) 1996-1999 by Golden Hawk Technology
|
| Usage: MAKEISO <pathname or @list> <imagefile> [/BATCH] [/JOLIET] [/NOCONFIR
|          [/NODOS] [/NOVERSION] [/RAW] [/RECURSE] [/ARCHIVE] [/HIDDEN]
|          [/SYSTEM] [/VOLUME=label]
| pathname   - Directory pathname or file which contains list of pathnames
| imagefile  - ISO9660 image file (optional)
| isofile    - Output ISO9660 image filename
| /BATCH     - Disable all messages and confirmation prompts
| /JOLIET    - Enable long filename support (Joliet)
| /NOCONFIRM - Disable all confirmation prompts
| /NODOS     - Disable DOS filename compatibility
| /NOVERSION - Disable filename version numbers
| /RAW       - Generate raw data sectors
| /RECURSE   - Recurse all subdirectories
| /ARCHIVE   - Include "archive" files only
| /HIDDEN    - Include "hidden" files
| /SYSTEM    - Include "system" files
| /VOLUME    - Volume label (maximum 32 characters)
| e.g. MAKEISO C:\DIR1\DIR2\ TEST.ISO
| e.g. MAKEISO @DIRLIST.TXT TEST.ISO /RECURSE /VOLUME=MY_FILES
|
|
| --- command line swiches for file2cd.exe ---
|
| FILE2CD.EXE - Version 3.8A (December 1999)
| Copyright (c) 1996-1999 by Golden Hawk Technology
|
| Usage: FILE2CD imagefile [/ID=ha:id:lun] [/BATCH] [/BEEP] [/COPIES=n]
|          [/EJECT] [/NOCONFIRM] [/NOFINALIZE] [/POSTGAP] [/SESSION]
|          [/SPEED=n] [/TEST]
| imagefile   - Image data filename
| /ID         - SCSI ID of CD recorder (default is first found)
| /BATCH      - Disable all messages and confirmation prompts
| /BEEP       - Issue an audible 'beep' when recording has finished
| /COPIES=n   - Number of discs to be recorded (default is 1)
| /EJECT      - Eject CD when recording has finished
| /NOCONFIRM  - Disable all confirmation prompts
| /NOFINALIZE - Disable session/disc finalization
| /POSTGAP    - Enable writing of track postgap
| /SESSION    - Open new session after finalizing current session
| /SPEED=n    - Recording speed (default is 2x)
| /TEST       - Enable test recording mode
|
| :end
| rem unload driver
| ddu.com SCSIMGR$
| rem __________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 103) Sat, Jan 21, 2006 - 5:27:15 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...I don't wanna get all sloppy and sentimental, here, by calling
| you "you sweety-pie" or sumsuch....but..
| ..
| I hafta say that you are a very nice man....!!!!
| ...
| I hope that's conservative enough....<g g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 104) Sat, Jan 21, 2006 - 5:29:31 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ummm...I "P"-ed it and saved...and it reads pretty straighforward..but
| (youknewthiswascoming)...can I ask, what is that last line:
|
| rem_________________
|
| for...?????
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 105) Sat, Jan 21, 2006 - 5:30:55 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| Oh, and this is verrrryyy interesting...
|
| http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_1_marriage_gap.html
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 106) Sat, Jan 21, 2006 - 6:09:11 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| rem_________________ == 'end of file' that's all there is, there ain't no mo
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 107) Sat, Jan 21, 2006 - 7:00:06 pm 
|
| gregy>
| well...I KNEW that....but...(youknewthiswascoming)....I thought you 
| might be throwing something "trickey" in there....I mean, I couldn't
| see any real functionality to it, and I kinda thought you wouldn't
| waste a line for nuthin.....<g g g g>
| ...
| he he...thanks...I've still gotta run that drive thru it's "plain old
| CD-ROM reading" paces...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 108) Sun, Jan 22, 2006 - 6:52:13 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....that CDRoast page, at freeweb.hu has a new 4.5Mbyte Beta 3
| download available...<g>
| ..
| I downloaded the copy of Beta 2, that you uploaded, right after you
| gave the links to it....but...(youknewthiswascoming) I lost it...the
| durn thing is somewhere on my disks...but...now that I'm finally gonna
| use it, have my CD R/W drive installed, etc, the thing is hiding from
| me.....<g g g>
| ...
| So, I downloaded the Beta 2 from freeweb.hu, again, and also downloaded
| that new Beta 3....it says it's a GUI...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 109) Sun, Jan 22, 2006 - 9:06:33 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Just now tried B3
|
| IMO, the GUI sucks. :(
|
| I'll stick with CLI thank you. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 110) Mon, Jan 23, 2006 - 4:42:22 pm 
|
| gregy>
| I haven't gotten it perused, yet....just tonight getting that new CD-R
| drive operational..
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 111) Mon, Jan 23, 2006 - 4:45:30 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...Jake...et al....NOTE NOTE NOTE....Pete (Geminga) over on the
| AVA just poked me in the eye with the suggestion that we need to do a
| (free) registration of .APM as a recognized MIME-type, such registration
| to be done with IANA...
| ...
| I just googled and went to IANA's site, and briefly scanned for MIME
| RFCs and registration....have to peruse it more...
| ..
| But, what is your take on registering some of our Arachne-specific
| MIME-types with IANA.....???
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 112) Mon, Jan 23, 2006 - 5:12:17 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| It's not needed.
|
| AMPs are only intended to be downloaded and auto installed from those
| sites which we have listed in 'security.cfg' in the arachne_main dir.
|
| It is only those sites which need to then be sending the correct mime
| spec of "application/x-arachne-package"
|
| My site does, as do all other sites listed in the copy of security.cfg
| included in my release package.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 113) Mon, Jan 23, 2006 - 5:14:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| --- security.cfg ---
| ; List of trusted URLs: APM.EXE -uXXX or -vXXX will search this list.
| ; Valid for Arachne packages (file/.apm, application/x-arachne-package)
| ; and for NetDOS executables (application/x-netdos-exe,-com, or -bat)
| ;
| ; Trusted URL must start with one of strings listed here.
| ; Don't be afraid, <BASE HREF="..."> tag can't be used to hack this ;-)
| ;
| file:
| http://browser.arachne.cz/apm/
| http://home.arachne.cz/apm/
| http://home.arachne.cz/netdos/
| http://www.multimediaware.com/qv/
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/apm/
| ;
| ____________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 114) Mon, Jan 23, 2006 - 5:18:10 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Anyone who wants to add the correct mime tyoe to their site need only
| include the appropriate line in .htaccess located in the 'root' dir of
| their web site. (that's how I did it on my site)
|
| --- .htaccess ---
| AddType image/x-zbitmap               zbm
| AddType application/x-arachne-package apm
| AddType image/bmp                     bmp
| AddType audio/x-vorbis                ogg
| _________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 115) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 3:37:40 pm 
| URL
|
| Reset00>
| Fixed Xapm.apm the Arachne APX package installer
| to install even though unarj.exe is not in the DOS path.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 116) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 6:11:14 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...I got it....and if we added another site (such as AVA) we would
| have to add that site to our "security.cfg" and set the .htaccess
| file in our root...I'll check that out....see if this site has that,
| and if AVAroot has that. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 117) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 6:22:05 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Now...all you CD-RW hardware gurus...I ran into a weird problem.
| My new CDRW drive is a BTCbrand Model BCE 1610IM (16xW, 10xRW, 40xRead)
| I go to the BTC site and they have new rom-flash software, and they have
| the necessary CD-ROM-drivers for various-speed CD-ROM drives, which 
| their FAQ says to use for the CD-RW when in DOS, etc, etc.
| ...
| So, I download the likeliest drivers, unzip them, get some weird pkunzip
| warnings, but the zip unpacks.  And, the driver TEXT files look okay,
| so the unzip worked for them, and the INSTALL.EXE works flawlessly,
| so I assume the pkunzip warnings were just "weird"...and don't mean that
| the CDROM.SYS device driver was messed up in the unzip.
| ...
| So, I install all, and make sure the AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS got
| correctly written, etc, etc,
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 118) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 6:31:48 pm 
|
| gregy>
| So, I reboot....and...the CONFIG.SYS hangs on the device driver install.
| I mean, sometimes these CD-ROM drivers are a little slow, but they all
| finish within a couple minutes.
| ...
| So, I try all the different drivers, and they all act the same way.
| ...
| So, I get a "wild idea" and rem the BTC device driver, and add the
| DEVICE load for my old 16x Opti MAVRICK16C CD-ROM drive that I have in
| my old 486....get it all set, reboot, and.....voila...!!!!...I've got
| my new 16x10x40x BTC CD-RW drive...pops right up as Drive Q: (where I
| told MSCDEX to load it) and accesses the CD I've got in the drive...
| ...and everything in kosher....and....even without loading that CD-RW
| driver HIGH, I've still got 132K free, after I dialup (I'm here with
| the drive installed, right now)....and....and...
| ...
| The only puzzling thing is....why don't the BTC drivers work...??? When
| the Opti drive driver works....????
| ...
| I mean, most IDE CD-ROM drives should be pretty generic, by now...so it
| doesn't surprise me that the Opti-driver works on this drive...what
| puzzles me is why the BTC driver doesn't...
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 119) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 6:39:17 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Would someone please download the following four drivers (they're about
| 70Kbytes, each) and unzip them and see if they, too, get weird pkunzip
| warnings when they unzip...??
|
| And, if they do NOT get weird pkunzip warnings, would you please 
| rename just the CDROM.SYS drivers to 10.SYS, 16.SYS, 40.SYS, EF.SYS
| ...then zip them into a single package and email attach them to me
| hi-line.net#gfeig...that is gfeig at hi-line.net ...???
| ...
| I'd appreciate the assist..
| ..
|
|
| http://www.btc.com.tw/drivers/zip/cdrom/10x/10x.zip
| http://www.btc.com.tw/drivers/zip/cdrom/16x/16x.zip
| http://www.btc.com.tw/drivers/zip/cdrom/40x/40x28.zip
| http://www.btc.com.tw/drivers/zip/cdrom/ef/efx29.zip
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 120) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 7:59:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gregy,
|
| No need to load any drivers ahead of time for burning.
|
| You'll only need those other dirvers (which you already have working I see),
| when you need to read a CD.
|
| The .BAT that I posted
| loads the needed driver,
| burns the CD,
| unloads the driver.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 121) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 9:28:31 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...I see...or rather, I don't see....what driver is your .BAT going
| to load...??
| ...
| Is there some kind of generic CD-drive driver, that that bat loads..??
| ...
| ...and...from what you say, above, it would seem that before I run that
| .BAT...I'd better make sure that I have the "CD-reading" driver unloaded
| ...is that correct...???
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 122) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 9:29:28 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| <g g g>
|
| http://www.aim.org/guest_column/4312_0_6_0_C/
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 123) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 9:35:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| <snip?>
|
| :loadide
| rem P4 IDE CDRW
| ddl.com c:\cdrom\doscdrst\ASPI.SYS
|
| <snip>
|
| :end
| rem unload driver
| ddu.com SCSIMGR$
| rem __________________
|
| The original GoldenHawk's 16bit DAO16 supports only
| SCSI devices. DOSCDROAST Beta 2 is based on
| 16bit GoldenHAwk DAO freeware parts, and supports
| IDE/ATAPI devices trough an (included) device driver
| file ASPI.SYS from OAK Technology. It's a "SCSI
| transport over IDE" redirector for 16bit DOS systems
| and provides a SCSI-like ASPI interface for
| IDE/ATAPI cdrom devices. (The mechanism is the
| following: the ASPI.SYS file is a SCSI adapter card
| emulator which reports existing IDE/ATAPI cdrom
| drives as SCSI drives. However, the IDE/ATAPI
| cdroms are generally SCSI-based devices with simple
| IDE connector, and understands the SCSI command sets!)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 124) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 9:37:15 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| ddl.com == Device Driver Loader
|
| ddu.com == Device Driver Unloader
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 125) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 9:38:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| DDL  V1.03  (c) Copyright P.Frost 1991
| To load a device driver from command-line
|
| DDL <device driver pathname> [<device driver parameters>]
| ________________________
|
| DDU  V1.03  (c) Copyright P.Frost 1991
| To unload a device driver installed by DDL
|
| DDU <device name> or 
| DDU <drive letter>:
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 126) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 9:41:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And yes.... 
|
| Unload the drivers for CD reading before running the BAT for CD burning.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 127) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 10:00:59 pm 
|
| gregy>
| I think I'm getting a teeny bit more of a glimmer....<g g g>...I would
| not have had to make sure of my drive/drivers, before trying out that
| burner, then...??  It appears that way....
| ..
| ...but...(youknewthiswascoming)..since these are "brand new" refurbs,
| which I had/have no way of telling if they're working without first
| getting them to work as CD-ROM readers....then, since that was so, I
| really needed to check them out, first, just so that if/when a burn
| fails, I'm not automatically blaming the hardware...
| ..
| so....I need to fully clip out that .bat you posted in here (I converted
| it to text and saved it...but didn't fully clean it up)...and...now that
| I'm sure this new CD-RW is mechanically/electrically/electronically
| sound...I should be able to run that burner with minimum confusion and
| disaster....<g g g>.....hey..!!!...it might even work the first time out
| of the bag....<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 128) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 10:05:32 pm 
|
| gregy>
| I'm bushed...I've had a fairly long day...and I've been churning away
| at this CD-RW problem all afternoon and evening....I'm going to hit the
| hay...and try to get an early start on this..
| ..
| BTW...I've bought Fujifilm CD-R 700Mbyte discs that claim they're good
| for up to x48.....so....should they be adequate for "practice coasters"
| ...???....<g g g>
| ...
| What I'll do, is burn my small, 10Mbyte, C:\ DOS boot drive to one,
| and then my other partitions (on this P133 box)...then when everything
| is working smoothly, I'll install a second 16x10x40x drive in my old
| 486, and begin cleaning that all off.
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 129) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 10:08:16 pm 
|
| gregy>
| QUESTION:  I'm going to be burning .ISO images...and they will be less
| than the full capacity of the CDdisc....this shouldn't effect the burn,
| should it....???
| ..
| And, after I've burned, I should be able to immediately pop the CDdisc
| into a CD-ROM drive and read all the files on it...???...I mean, just
| as with an ordinary commercial-purchased CDdisc.....????
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 130) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 10:47:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| By George.... I think he's got it !!!! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 131) Tue, Jan 24, 2006 - 11:03:56 pm 
|
| gregy>
| By George....sheesh...!!!....kinda a strain, though.....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 132) Wed, Jan 25, 2006 - 6:37:47 pm 
|
| Jake>
| Does CD-Roast have data verification?
|
| With my limited amount of burning I've prolly had three disks not quite
| pukka. Maybe 3 or 4 files unreadable.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  133) Wed, Jan 25, 2006 - 7:54:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I don't think it does.
|
| BRB
| _____
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 134) Wed, Jan 25, 2006 - 7:55:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Looking back at post #102 at the command line options, there's nothing
| there about verification.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 135) Wed, Jan 25, 2006 - 8:09:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hmm,
| Simply turning on the DOS verify option might do the trick.
|
| verify off
| pkzip -ex -rP l:\test1.zip c:\*.exe
|
| 53sec to complete.
|
| verify on
| pkzip -ex -rP l:\test2.zip c:\*.exe
|
| 1 min 19sec to complete.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 136) Wed, Jan 25, 2006 - 8:32:19 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ahhh...I am inching slowly sideways toward a solution.....<g g g>
| ...
| 1a.  I found out what the "weird pkunzip warnings" were caused by...
| ..HINT - in an empty directory (except for the XXXXXX.ZIP file)...do
| NOT type "pkunzip *.* <enter>".....he he he..."*.zip" is required...and
| ...yes...I KNOW all you guys already KNEW that obvious thing...<g g g>
|
| 1.  I have IBM BootManager on all my boxes, so I can boot either OpDOS
| or MSDOS....and I had an idea that my CDROM.SYS hang-on-install might
| be due to the same thing that makes my CTRL-ALT-DEL hang in OpDOS701
| on this P133 box - the DRDOS EMM386 MemoryManager....so I booted to
| MSDOS622 and...voila...!!!...instantaneous, smooth BTCCDROM.SYS loading
| ...so...that solves that problem....however, now I've gotta import the
| EMM386/HIMEM from MSDOS into my OpDOS setups....but...after I do it
| once, I should be able to put this type install on all my boxes...just
| using the MSDOS memory managers...yes...Glenn, I know that you know that
| I have bought QEMM-full..but...most people don't/can't have it, so I
| feel impelled to work with "what's on hand" so that JeeDaNewUser can
| successfully adapt my solutions to their own Arachne/DOS installations.
|
| 2. I can get the CDRoast ASPI.SYS to install, but the tools claim that
| they find "no valid recordable device"...I'm checking that further..
| SEE post(s) below..
|  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 137) Wed, Jan 25, 2006 - 8:42:29 pm 
|
| gregy>
| 1. I've modified your HDD2IDE.BAT to reflect my own Drive:\Directory
| setup...
| 2. I've worked down thru the .BAT placing "pause Pause ONE, TWO, ETC"
| statements where needed, and found:
| a.) the ddl.com/ddu.com-pair are named ADDEV.COM/DELDEV.COM in the Beta2
| release.
| b.) MAKEISO.EXE is nowhere to be found in Beta2 or Beta3, but I do find
| the MAKE9660.EXE which I renamed to MAKEISO.EXE and got some response,
| but it gives "missing or invalid argument" error...I'm still checking
| that.
| c.) NOTE - I do NOT, ever, install any tool/program packages to my C:\
| boot drive.  My name is gregy, not Mz$loth....<g g g>...so your DIRs
| all had to be changed to reflect that...
| d.) HDD2IDE.BAT now seems to run thru properly, creats the proper DIRs,
| ends up in the proper directory for running, etc.
|  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 138) Wed, Jan 25, 2006 - 8:59:58 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| re:" a.) the ddl.com/ddu.com-pair are named ADDEV.COM/DELDEV.COM in the Beta
| release."
|
| OH no they're not. <ggg>
|
| I don't use addev/deldev
|
| I use ddl/ddu
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/download/cdload.zip
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 139) Wed, Jan 25, 2006 - 9:00:10 pm 
|
| gregy>
| The Beta3 GUI I found to be useful.  Why...??  Once I got familiar with
| it, in spite of its glitches and peculiarities which tend to slow use
| of it down, in spite of all this...I find:
| 1.  It DOES mostly lay all the options/actions out in a fairly lucid
| manner.  I mean, even I could understand it once I became somewhat
| familiar with it.
|
| 2.  It has exACTly the Option/Function that I want.  That "HDD Backup"
| that let's you "click-a-Drive" and write the whole thing to disc without
| the .ISO intermediate stage.  THAT's what I want to do...however, though
| the ASPI.SYS screen-registers that it installs, when I "click-a-drive"
| it goes thru its preliminary paces and aborts with "could not find any
| valid recorder".....and returns to the GUI...
| ..I believe this is indicating that my BTC-recorder functions/firmware
| are not-standardly registering with ASPI.SYS....
|
| 3.  This was the case in the MSDOS-boot, which gave me the most advance
| toward a solution.  
|
| 4.  BTW...using the GUI, I found that it was absolutely necessary to
| setup in the OPTIONS menu, before trying to use any of the other menus
|
| 5.  After ASPI.SYS onscreen-registers as installed (and, in the GUI, 
| after setting up in OPTIONS) the OPEN/CLOSE tools/functions work
| perfectly...<g g g>...In fact, I might give it a try, later tonight,
| using that ASPI.SYS for "reader-driver" just to see what comes of that
| ...<g g g>
|
| 6.  But (youknewthiswascoming) currently I'm stopped/blocked from using
| the tools by that "did not detect a valid recorder device" error...
| ...the recorder portion of the drive is not, yet, being recognized...
|
| 7.  I'm mulling/pondering...and, I might very well, in the end, risk
| sacrificing a drive by doing an "Upgrade FlashROM" on one of these
| drives, just to see what comes out of it....I mean, at least I'll 
| (probably) still have the CDReader capability after an "UpFLASH"
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 140) Wed, Jan 25, 2006 - 9:03:16 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Well, thanks...I got them....I'll use them...however, just renaming the
| ADDEV/DELDEV pair to DDL/DDU seemed to work okay, with your HDD2IDE.BAT
| ...
| Now, you wouldn't happen to have a spare MAKEISO.EXE in your back pocket
| would you....???
| <g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 141) Wed, Jan 25, 2006 - 9:08:33 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Just now uploaded everything you might need. ;-)
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/download/cdburner.zip
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 142) Wed, Jan 25, 2006 - 9:24:49 pm 
|
| gregy>
| And...where might I find "SHSU-CDN.SYS" cdrom driver....???  Is it even
| necessary, or might it be useful...???
| ...
| And, yes, I have always known that CD-ROMs were all SCSI (actually they
| were SASI) drives and some had ATAPI-electronics overlaid on them..
| ..FWIW...the first CD-ROM is had was a "New Style (popout tray instead
| of CDcarrier)" 1X BSR-6800 (BSR was making most of the CD-ROM drives
| in those days) external, with a ControllerCard inserted in an 8-bit
| slot in my XT....<g g g>....I bought it from DAK, it was the "newest"
| technology at that time (mid 80s)...and I had the XT in use until early
| 90s, along with a new AT, and my old Epson Geneva CP/M Laptop....
| ...
| The BSR-6800 worked real great on both the XT and the AT, especially
| nice under OS/2 2.0 and 2.1 which had specific driver just for that
| drive...which was a hummer....but...hey...1X was superceded by 2X, and
| the rest is history.....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 143) Wed, Jan 25, 2006 - 9:37:33 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Thanks...just got it...I'll unzip and peruse it....<g g g>
| ..
| I need to say, that you're being very helpful, here...you usually are,
| but...I consider this "above and beyond the call".....<g g g>
| ..
| If we can get my stuff CDrecording, etc, we will have some valuable
| hints and insights for helping the rest of the Arachne community get
| these things working...
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 144) Thu, Jan 26, 2006 - 4:38:02 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| No, no... 'above and beyond' would be sending you all of this. <ggg>
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/cdromdir.txt
| (dir listing of everything in c:\cdrom\ )
|
| 17megs of stuff that zips-up into a 7meg ZIP file.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 145) Thu, Jan 26, 2006 - 7:13:42 pm 
|
| gregy>
| <averts eyes>
| No, no, no....don't even wanna see that much stuff.....<g g g>
| </averts eyes>
| ...
| I'm checking/playing/testing...
| ..
| One thing I'm experimenting with is using the MSDOS HIMEM/EMM386 with
| OpDOS701, to see if I can eliminate that CD-Driver hanging...
| ...
| Also, I'm experimenting with loading just the ASPI.SYS for a "generic"
| all-around CD-ROM driver (strictly for reading CDs)...I've got to
| tweak the ARGs for it, though....before it will load correctly.
| ..
| I've got some more questions about that package you posted for my
| download....
| ..
| I hope you'll have patience and be gracious enough to answer them...??
| ...<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 146) Thu, Jan 26, 2006 - 7:47:19 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope, no can do.
|
| ASPI.SYS is strictly for writing ... not for reading.
|
| For reading....
|
| --- cdload.bat ---
|
| @echo off
| ddl.com c:\cdrom\ltnide.sys /D:CDR-IDE /DMA
| C:\CDROM\NWCDEX.EXE /D:CDR-IDE /L:Q /M:20 /V
| _____________________________________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 147) Thu, Jan 26, 2006 - 9:02:15 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| Doggone..!!!  Where's Global Warming when you need it...???...!!!
|
| http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/news/story/0,,1695049,00.html
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 148) Thu, Jan 26, 2006 - 9:05:03 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Well, I haven't gotten to that "load ASPI.SYS for reading" part yet..
| ..but...when I was playing with the downloaded packages (especially
| Beta3)...ASPI.SYS loaded okay, and, once it was loaded, it could control
| the OPEN/CLOSE of the tray....so...I figured maybe it would also be
| usable for "general purpose" use, i.e. reading as well as recording..
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 149) Fri, Jan 27, 2006 - 3:27:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| So..... did ya' burn one yet ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 150) Fri, Jan 27, 2006 - 9:44:30 pm 
|
| gregy>
| It took me a while to get to where I could try....<g>
| ...
| Remember, your X:\dir\dir yada yada is NOT the same as my yada yada
| ....<g g g>...so I had to go around changing the drives:directories,
| etc.
| ...
| But, then, once I got it straightened out, it:
| ran HDD2IDE.BAT correctly down to "MAKEISO.EXE"  where it correctly
| wrote the .ISO and iso.TXT to directory !HDD2IDE...
| ..
| Then, it ran correctly thru the "ddl ASPI.SYS line, and I could see
| that driver loading/loaded, 
| ..
| Then, it tried to write, and came back with the "could not detect any
| valid recordable drive" error (or close to that)...
| ..
| ...and aborted.
| ..
| So, I fiddled, and played...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 151) Fri, Jan 27, 2006 - 9:55:14 pm 
|
| gregy>
| And, I figured I'd check out the actual drive working under ASPI.SYS
| (as a reader-only)...which you said last night wasn't possible, BUT..
| ..but..(youknewthiswascoming)...you, yourself have that CDLOAD.BAT in
| the \CDROM\ directory, which (with suitable drive:directory tweaking)
| does the job, just nicely....so...
| ..
| ...I conclude that I've been guilty of another miscommunication, and
| didn't give you the correct understanding of what I was gonna try to
| do...otherwise you would have immediately pointed me to the CDLOAD.BAT
| ...
| Because, (with suitable tweaking, as I said) that CDLOAD.BAT does a
| pretty swift and capable load of ASPI/whatever/MSCDEXequivalent drivers
| ...assigns Drive Q: to it, and I'm here, right now, with the dumb (but
| working) thing loaded and readable (ALT-F2) and working finest kind
| ....<g g g>
| ...
| Oh, one thing to NOTE !!!! - my RAMdisk is always loaded (in
| AUTOEXEC.BAT), as Drive R:....I found that I MUST run the CDLOAD.BAT
| before launching XMSDSK to give me my Arachne RAMdisk Drive R:....
| ...
| I don't know what would happen if my Arachne RAMdisk was assigned as
| Drive M:....maybe I'll check that, someday(<G>).....but...right now..
| I'm just glad to be able to make these ASPI/etc drivers work the way
| I knew that they MUST be able to work.
| ..
| Now, the next thing to do, is to fiddle some more to see why these
| CDRoast drivers cannot/willnot detect the "writer" portion of my 
| CD-RW drives.....they sure detect and run the "reader" portion of
| said drives just fine....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 152) Fri, Jan 27, 2006 - 10:04:00 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Oh, BTW...that "cannot detect any valid recordable device" error, from
| the end of the HDD2IDE.BAT was the same error (or similar error) that
| I reported to you yesterday, after I'd fiddled with the downloaded
| Beta2 and Beta3 packages...
| ...
| Now...this is NOT your opportunity to say, "Aha!!...your drive isn't
| a CD-RW, or is a VERRRY non-standard CD-RW drive."...
| ..
| Actually, my experience with driving the drive using my Optic Systems
| MAVERICK 16 CD-ROM driver, plus this, now, experience of having that
| CDLOAD.BAT load the "reader" driver functions of the drive swiftly
| right up...working fine....proves the exact opposite....these BTC
| drives are so industry-generic as to be able to do that...
| ..therefore...
| It is unlikely that BTC has made them so NON-standard as far as their
| "recorder" drive functions go.
| ...
| I'm sure you agree....and can see why I'm pretty certain that some more
| tweaking will enable the recorder functions, also..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 153) Fri, Jan 27, 2006 - 10:09:13 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Also...these are the 16x10x40x BCE 1610IM drives....
| ..
| They are a little old...not obsolete, mind you, but maybe slightly old.
| ..
| But...I have the newest BTC 52x drives, and I'm going to mount one of
| them in the 486 and try to get the "recorder functions working, there
| ...
| Because ultimately, it's the 486 where I need to offload all the stuff
| from my HDDs...and that will take CDdiscs....
| ..
| If worst comes to worst, I'll have to build a new box, and jerk the
| drives from the 486, and insert them into the new box, and try to burn
| there...
| ..
| Oh, BTW2...just for general info....what Brand/ModelNumber/etc IDE
| CD-RW drive are you successfully using your personalized CDRoast (I
| mean, your HDD2IDE.BAT system) on.....????
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 154) Fri, Jan 27, 2006 - 10:46:08 pm 
|
| gregy>
| back...with further status on checking/tweaking/troubleshooting:...
| ...
| I haven't been loading these CDROM.SYS and MSCDEX.EXE drivers HIGH,
| because, when I'm initially working on something, I don't want to throw
| any additional potential garbage into the stew...but...
| ...
| Now, I've loaded my MAVERICK 16 and MSCDEX drivers HIGH, and they loaded
| just fine...
| ...
| and, I'm now back here with my CD-ROM drivers all loaded and the disk
| I have in for test purposes is fully readable in Arachne, right now,
| and...I've got my standard 177+KbytesFREE back ...so...
| ...
| ..and...I think I'll just leave that CD-ROM loaded all the time...'cause
| the silly thing is one of those "intelligent" devices...<g g g>....and
| it powers-down after about 30-seconds of no access, so I think I'm not
| putting extra miles on it by just letting it load every time I boot.
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 155) Sat, Jan 28, 2006 - 12:38:55 pm 
|
| gregy>
| well...my ISP's techs have repaired the server.  Seems to be working
| more-or-less normally, now...
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 156) Sat, Jan 28, 2006 - 12:43:34 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...lastnight I installed/implemented my QEMM on both boots on this
| computer - OpenDOS701 and MSDOS622...they're both running using the
| QEMM, and it is (as we both know) superior...however...I need to get a
| peek at your settings, just to be sure that I have pretty similar for
| when I'm trying to get this CDRoast working....so..
| Please zip your:
| AUTOEXEC.BAT
| CONFIG.SYS
| X:\QEMM\DOS-UP.DAT
| ...into ....
| QEMM.ZIP (or somesuch)
| ..and..
| either post it for me to download, or email-attach it to me...
| ..
| Thanks...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 157) Sat, Jan 28, 2006 - 2:14:41 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| hmmmmmm.....interesting....<g>
|
| http://www.nplusonemag.com/dating.html
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 158) Sat, Jan 28, 2006 - 7:04:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| --- config.sys ---
| rem OPENDOS 7.01
| DEVICE=C:\QEMM\QEMM386.SYS sh:n ram r:1 ST:M ur=1m:256m X=C100-C1FF X=C300-C
| device=c:\qemm\dos-up.sys @c:\qemm\dos-up.dat
| DOS=HIGH,UMB
| SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM C:\ /E:1024 /P
| BREAK=ON
| BUFFERS=30
| FILES=50
| FCBS=4,4
| LASTDRIVE=S
| HISTORY=ON,256,ON
| __________________
|
| --- autoexec.bat ---
| :OpenDOSBEG
| @echo off
| PROMPT $d $b $t$_[OPENDOS 7.01] $P$G
| SET PATH=\;C:\1BATCH;C:\1COMMON;C:\;C:\OPENDOS;C:\1ZIP;C:\QEMM;c:\borlandc\b
| SET TEMP=C:\TEMP
| IF NOT DIREXIST %TEMP% MD %TEMP%
| SET OPENDOSCFG=C:\OPENDOS
|
| e:\ctmouse\ctmouse.exe /R22
|
| c:\opendos\nwcache.exe 7670 1024 /lend=on /delay=on /mux /e
|
| call c:\1batch\loadlne.bat
|
| :OpenDOSEND
| ____________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 159) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 12:06:07 am 
|
| gregy>
| Thank you....would you also please post your DOS-UP.DAT in your QEMM
| directory...???
| ..
| What I'm trying to do, here, is get my system as close as I can to yours
| so that I've eliminated most of the possible difference-glitches when
| I start trying to CDburn, again..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 160) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 12:37:58 am 
|
| gregy>
| Slight UPDATE - I worked all night, Friday, and got both of my Boot
| Drives set up with QEMM...Now I can pretty quickly boot into either
| MSDOS622 or OpDOS701 (this is using the IBM Boot Manager)...the QEMM
| "Quick Boot" is really sumpin.....<g g g>
| ..
| The reason I wanted your CONFIG.SYS, AUTOEXEC.BAT and DOS-UP.DAT was
| because QEMM optimized the two different DOSes slightly differently,
| and I want to more fully standardize them so they are clones.
| ..
| This afternoon/evening, I went thru a bunch of 72-pin SIMMs that I had
| bought quite a while ago, and ran them all thru this P133 to see what
| they were, and if they were any good..
| ..
| All of them checked out, and I found....some Kingston SIMMS that were:
| 32Mbyte FPM...and 16Mbyte EDO....so....right now, this P133 is running
| on Bank0, 2x16MbyteEDO == 32MbyteEDO...plus Bank1, 2x32MbyteFPM ==
| 64MbyteFPM....total RAM is now 96Mbyte....which is better than the 48
| Mbyte I was running.....<g g g>
| ..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 161) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 12:44:31 am 
|
| gregy>
| Now..one curious thing....when it runs CONFIG.SYS (in either OpDOS701
| or in MSDOS622) and QEMM loads, QEMM's load-message says there is only
| 66112K available for QEMM's use...but...the whole 96Mbyte shows up in
| the P.O.S.T.....so
| ..
| Is there any quick reason you can see for QEMM saying that.....???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 162) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 12:47:48 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ah...yes....I think I see why....when I do "mem" in MSDOS, it shows
| only EMSmemory in-use/available.....
| ...
| So....I'll have to fiddle to get QEMM to drop that EMS junk, and use
| only XMS...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 163) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 2:05:54 pm 
|
| gregy>
| BTW...I have only one QEMM install, being used for both OperatingSystems
| ...and both MSDOS622 and OpDOS701 show that same "66112K available for
| QEMM use" message, when QEMM loads from the CONFIG.SYS...
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 164) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 2:13:58 pm 
|
| gregy>
| he he he....that QEMM "Quick Reboot" sure works like a flash....!!!
| ...
| I just paused and waited for my StatusBar Clock to hit :00 and then,
| did:
| ALT-H (and wait for hangup to complete)
| CTRL-ALT-DEL (got the "Quick Reboot" message for a couple seconds)
| "beep..!!!" up popped the IBM BootManager,
| DOWNArrow (to switch to MSDOS622) then <enter>
| ..ran through the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT...
| ..typed AR <enter>
| then ALT-D (at the dialup page)
| ..and was back online in a different OperatingSystem...
| ...
| All in 41 seconds.....<g g g g>
| ..
| That QEMM could sure "grow" on a fella.....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 165) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 3:17:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| -- dos-up.dat ---
| DOSDATA=2
| FILES=2
| WKBUFFER=3
| DRDATA=3
| LASTDRIV=3
| _________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 166) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 3:20:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to making all 96megs available to Qemm ...
|
| On the qemm386.sys line,
|
| ur=1m:96m
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 167) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 3:22:41 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| You betcha' it grow on a fella ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 168) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 3:26:12 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh yeah also on the qemm386.sys line....
|
| It's best not to use those same 'excludes' as are in my line.
|
| Remove all of the "X=...." sections and the run optimize.exe to get the
| correct excludes for your system.
|
| And they will most likely be different between MsDOS and OpenDos.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 169) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 3:28:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| So start with this line and then run optimize.exe
|
| DEVICE=C:\QEMM\QEMM386.SYS ur=1m:96m
|
| (only 'option' to-start-with is your 96meg memory size)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 170) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 3:56:03 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Thaaannnkkk you..!!!....That gives me a little info for comparison
| purposes...
| ..
| Duly "p"ed and clipped and saved...
| ..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 171) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 4:00:07 pm 
|
| gregy>
| "grow on a fella"...yes...but...I've stated before, and I still stick
| to my principle, that one(some) of the older Arachne Users has to be
| using "stock" components.  Because most users are NOT going to be able
| to get QEMM....so....
| ...
| After I get a "standardized" set of BootFiles using QEMM, I'm going to
| get up a statdardized set of BootFiles using the MSDOS MemoryManager
| programs, and roll them all into a downloadable package, that generic
| newUsers can d/l, unzip, and use right-out-of-the-box....with Arachne,
| on most any kind of equipment..
| ..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 172) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 4:10:26 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Re:....optimize....yeah...I already figured out that that initial run
| that QEMM does is only a preliminary "ballpark" optimization...that it
| should be run a couple times, on both OSes (saving dos-up.dat settings
| each time), and tweaking the BootFiles, too....ultimately, I should end
| up with almost identical CONFIG.SYS/AUTOEXEC.BAT BootFiles, and almost
| identical DOS-UP.DAT files...whereupon, I can slightly compromize and
| go to one almost identical set, with almost the same performance specs
| for both OperatingSystems....
| ..
| I already did that, cheap and dirty before I asked for your BootFiles.
| ..
| I balanced between the two sets of files, so that OpDOS went from 180+
| FREE to 179+FREE, and MSDOS went from 185+FREE to 183+FREE....and they
| have common DOS-UP.DAT...and pretty similar BootFiles..
| ..
| But, for sure, the primary purpose, here (let's NOT forget the
| alligators, shall we...???) is to get my setup as close to yours, as
| possible (to eliminate onforseen factors) and then try CDRoasting until
| we can actually get my equipment to burn..
| ..
| OH...!!!!
| BTW....please give me the Manufacturer/Model Number of the IDE CDdrive
| you are burning with.
| ..
| I don't think it'll be necessary for me to actually go out an buy one
| "just like yours"...but...if it comes down to that, then that's what'll
| have to be done...
| ..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 173) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 4:35:03 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Creative CD-RW 4224
|
| Check the 'list of supported hardware' to see if your burner is in there. 
|
| BRB
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 174) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 4:43:51 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/list.txt
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 175) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 4:47:33 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| F7 search for 'BTC' and 'BCE' show just this one line.
|
| "BCE 621E",          PHILIPS_CDD3600   BTC BCE-621E
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 176) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 7:28:39 pm 
|
| gregy>
| well...that BCE 621E is a "branded" unit that isn't listed on the BTC
| site (which DOES have their latest CD-RW sold under "their" namebrand..
| ..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 177) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 7:49:35 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Well, I'll get my setup as close to yours as possible, then:
| 1. try the burn.
| 2. try flashing the firmware and try the burn.
| 3. put the 52x CD-RW drive in and try the burn.
| 4. try flashing the 52x firmware and try the burn.
| 5. try the BCE 1610IM CD-RW in the 486 box, then the 52x unit.
| 6. punt and go out on the net and buy one of those Creatives, or sumat
| ...<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 178) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 8:35:44 pm 
|
| gregy>
| hmmmm...#1, above, maybe should have been "Find out more information"..
| ...<g g g>
| ..
| I went to the GoldenHawk site, and schmoozed around and their "Devices"
| page was VERRRRRRYYYY interesting.  Under their "Supported Devices"
| is found a whole host of BTC BCE Models....including the 5232IM that I
| have three brand-new ones....<g g g>
| ..
| But...wouldn't you know it...he he....the 1610IM is NOT listed there,
| so, apparently that model is a varient-abortion that doesn't conform
| to the "standardized" interface that most of the rest of the drives in
| the whole world, do.....<g g g>
| ...
| So, FIRST thing I'm gonna do, is dig my new 5232IM drives out, and
| install one of them, and THEN try to burn.....I may be overly optimistic
| but, I say there's a better than even chance it'll burn fine...
| ..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 179) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 9:00:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Lemme see your current itteration of the BAT for burning.
| (along with your config.sys and autoexec.bat for OpenDos)
|
| I betcha we can get this sucker figgered-out. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 180) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 9:48:59 pm 
|
| gregy>
| rem --- d:\dao\HDD2IDE.BAT ---
| @echo off
| d:
| cd \cdrom\doscdrst
| if "%1%"=="" goto err
| if "%2%"=="" goto err
| if "%3%"=="" goto err
| if not direxist e:\!hd2cd md e:\!hd2cd
| echo %3>e:\!hd2cd\%1.txt
| if exist e:\!hd2cd\%1.iso goto write
| pause Pause ONE
| makeiso.exe @e:\!hd2cd\%1.txt e:\!hd2cd\%1.iso /volume=%1 /recurse /hidden /
| goto write
| :err
| echo hdd2cd <volume_name> <test or real> <drive:dir> (to be burned to cd)
| echo volume_name is also .txt file in e:\!hd2cd containing:
| echo drive:\path\file_name(s)
| echo d:\ (drive d: all files in all directories)
| echo f:\1zip\ (drive f: all files in \1zip\ {includes sub dirs under \1zip\)
| echo examples
| echo hdd2cd.bat my_1st_cd test d:\
| echo hdd2cd.bat drive_f real f:\
| echo hdd2cd.bat pictures real g:\graphics\pictures\
| goto end
| :write
|
| :loadide
| rem P4 IDE CDRW
| pause Pause TWO
| ddl.com d:\cdrom\doscdrst\ASPI.SYS
| pause Pause THREE
| :burnit
|
| if "%2"=="test" goto test
| if "%2"=="real" goto real
| goto err
| :test
| file2cd e:\!hd2cd\%1.iso /speed=4 /beep /test /noconfirm
| goto end
| :real
| file2cd e:\!hd2cd\%1.iso /speed=4 /beep /eject /noconfirm
| goto end
|
| --- command line swiches for makeiso.exe ---
|
| MAKEISO.EXE - Version 3.8A (December 1999)
| Copyright (c) 1996-1999 by Golden Hawk Technology
|
| Usage: MAKEISO <pathname or @list> <imagefile> [/BATCH] [/JOLIET]
| [/NOCONFIRM]
|          [/NODOS] [/NOVERSION] [/RAW] [/RECURSE] [/ARCHIVE]
| [/HIDDEN]
|          [/SYSTEM] [/VOLUME=label]
| pathname   - Directory pathname or file which contains list ofpathnames
| imagefile  - ISO9660 image file (optional)
| isofile    - Output ISO9660 image filename
| /BATCH     - Disable all messages and confirmation prompts
| /JOLIET    - Enable long filename support (Joliet)
| /NOCONFIRM - Disable all confirmation prompts
| /NODOS     - Disable DOS filename compatibility
| /NOVERSION - Disable filename version numbers
| /RAW       - Generate raw data sectors
| /RECURSE   - Recurse all subdirectories
| /ARCHIVE   - Include "archive" files only
| /HIDDEN    - Include "hidden" files
| /SYSTEM    - Include "system" files
| /VOLUME    - Volume label (maximum 32 characters)
| e.g. MAKEISO C:\DIR1\DIR2\ TEST.ISO
| e.g. MAKEISO @DIRLIST.TXT TEST.ISO /RECURSE /VOLUME=MY_FILES
|
| ===================CUT for SIZE to POST ====================
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 181) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 9:49:33 pm 
|
| gregy>
|
| --- command line swiches for makeiso.exe ---
|
| MAKEISO.EXE - Version 3.8A (December 1999)
| Copyright (c) 1996-1999 by Golden Hawk Technology
|
| Usage: MAKEISO <pathname or @list> <imagefile> [/BATCH] [/JOLIET]
| [/NOCONFIRM]
|          [/NODOS] [/NOVERSION] [/RAW] [/RECURSE] [/ARCHIVE]
| [/HIDDEN]
|          [/SYSTEM] [/VOLUME=label]
| pathname   - Directory pathname or file which contains list ofpathnames
| imagefile  - ISO9660 image file (optional)
| isofile    - Output ISO9660 image filename
| /BATCH     - Disable all messages and confirmation prompts
| /JOLIET    - Enable long filename support (Joliet)
| /NOCONFIRM - Disable all confirmation prompts
| /NODOS     - Disable DOS filename compatibility
| /NOVERSION - Disable filename version numbers
| /RAW       - Generate raw data sectors
| /RECURSE   - Recurse all subdirectories
| /ARCHIVE   - Include "archive" files only
| /HIDDEN    - Include "hidden" files
| /SYSTEM    - Include "system" files
| /VOLUME    - Volume label (maximum 32 characters)
| e.g. MAKEISO C:\DIR1\DIR2\ TEST.ISO
| e.g. MAKEISO @DIRLIST.TXT TEST.ISO /RECURSE /VOLUME=MY_FILES
|
|
| --- command line swiches for file2cd.exe ---
|
| FILE2CD.EXE - Version 3.8A (December 1999)
| Copyright (c) 1996-1999 by Golden Hawk Technology
|
| Usage: FILE2CD imagefile [/ID=ha:id:lun] [/BATCH] [/BEEP]
| [/COPIES=n]
|          [/EJECT] [/NOCONFIRM] [/NOFINALIZE] [/POSTGAP] [/SESSION]
|          [/SPEED=n] [/TEST]
| imagefile   - Image data filename
| /ID         - SCSI ID of CD recorder (default is first found)
| /BATCH      - Disable all messages and confirmation prompts
| /BEEP       - Issue an audible 'beep' when recording has finished
| /COPIES=n   - Number of discs to be recorded (default is 1)
| /EJECT      - Eject CD when recording has finished
| /NOCONFIRM  - Disable all confirmation prompts
| /NOFINALIZE - Disable session/disc finalization
| /POSTGAP    - Enable writing of track postgap
| /SESSION    - Open new session after finalizing current session
| /SPEED=n    - Recording speed (default is 2x)
| /TEST       - Enable test recording mode
|
| :end
| rem unload driver
| ddu.com SCSIMGR$
| rem __________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 182) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 9:50:46 pm 
|
| gregy>
| I'll post the AUTOEXEC.BATs AND CONFIG.SYSes tomorrow night, after I
| consolidate your "templates" into them....<g g g>
| ..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 183) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 9:53:32 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Oh, and remember, this HDD2IDE.BAT performed flawlessly, right up to
| the point of "burn it"...when it tried and came back with that "ASPI
| could not detect any valid recorder device"...
| ..
| ...and...remember that this BCE1610IM drive is NOT listed in the CDRoast
| list or on Golden Hawk Technologies sites....whereas a host of other
| BTC drives (including the latest model, which I have) are listed..
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 184) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 10:14:46 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Okay...I got my proper 96Mbytes, now, in QEMM's signon message, on both
| msDOS and OpDOS systems..
| ...
| It still looks like QEMM is primarily using EMS, instead of XMS....am
| I correct here...???
| ..
| If I am correct, is there anything to do to change that to XMS....??
| ...
| Or, doesn't it really matter...???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 185) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 3:49:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| To eliminate EMS, add this to the qemm386.sys line in config.sys
|
| EMS:N
|
| BRB
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 186) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 4:16:46 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
|
| +   Quarterdeck     +-------------------------------------------------------
| +-    MANIFEST   -+ |  Overview   Pages   Handles   Timings   Benchmark     
| |                 | +-------------------------------------------------------
| |     System    | | |                                                       
| |  -------------- | |                                                       
| |    First Meg  | | |                                                       
| |  -------------- | |                                                  |    
| | -  Expanded  -| | |                    QEMM version 7.50             |    
| |  -------------- | |        EMS Version         4.0 and EEMS 3.2      |    
| |    Extended   | | |        Page Frame          DC00                  |    
| |  -------------- | |        Mappable Pages      43                    |    
| |      DOS      | | |                                                  |    
| |  -------------- | |        -------------------------------------------    
| |    Adapters   | | |                                                       
| |  -------------- | |                                                       
| |      QEMM     | | |                                                  |    
| |  -------------- | |                              Total     Available |    
| |     Hints     | | |        Expanded Memory     261248K     260560K   |    
| |  -------------- | |        EMS Handles              64          62   |    
| |                 | |        Real Alternate Maps      32          32   |    
| |                 | |                                                  |    
| |                 | |        -------------------------------------------    
| |                 | |                                                       
| |F1=Help  F2=Print| |                                                       
| +-----Esc=Exit----+ +-------------------------------------------------------
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 187) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 4:17:05 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
|
| +   Quarterdeck     +-------------------------------------------------------
| +-    MANIFEST   -+ |  Overview                                             
| |                 | +-------------------------------------------------------
| |     System    | | |                                                       
| |  -------------- | |                                                       
| |    First Meg  | | |                                                       
| |  -------------- | |                                                       
| | -  Expanded  -| | |                                                       
| |  -------------- | |                                                       
| |    Extended   | | |                                                       
| |  -------------- | |                                                       
| |      DOS      | | |                                                       
| |  -------------- | |                                                       
| |    Adapters   | | |                  &nbsp;       None!                   
| |  -------------- | |                                                       
| |      QEMM     | | |                                                       
| |  -------------- | |                                                       
| |     Hints     | | |                                                       
| |  -------------- | |                                                       
| |                 | |                                                       
| |                 | |                                                       
| |                 | |                                                       
| |                 | |                                                       
| |F1=Help  F2=Print| |                                                       
| +-----Esc=Exit----+ +-------------------------------------------------------
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 188) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 4:19:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| When this line of the bat executes...
|
| ddl.com d:\cdrom\doscdrst\ASPI.SYS
| pause Pause THREE
|
| Does everything go OK and the ASPI driver is loaded ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 189) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 4:22:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I have 2 IDE drives (CD-RW and DVD-ROM), so this is the message I get.
|
|  OAK ASPI for ATAPI version 1.10 (c) OAK Technology, 1996
|
|   Transfer Mode      : Programmed I/O 
|   Number of drives   : 2
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 190) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 4:28:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| If you load it manually at the DOS command prompt,
| you should get that message.
|
|
| Now unload it manually with command line...
|
| ddu.com scsimgr$
|
| This is what you should get...
|
| WARNING unloading this device will restore the interrupt vectors
| to their state prior to loading the device. This may disable any
| TSRs subsequently loaded. Do you wish to continue ? (Y/N)
|
|
| If however this is what you get...
|
| Device not found
|
| The driver did not load correctly after-all.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 191) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 8:28:22 pm 
|
| gregy>
| okay..."p"ed, clipped and saved that.....I will:
| 1.  Get that EMS/XMS thing straight
| 2.  Give the Burn a try, as you suggest, and report the results..
| ...
| Note - I got busy, otherwhere, today, so I've just now gotten on the
| computer, and I've a number of things to do, then I need to get some
| sleep...so...I might not get to testing around on this until tomorrow..
| ..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 192) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 9:15:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Sleep ????
|
| gawd... what a waste of time _that_ is.
|
| Sleep keeps us away from our computers.
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 193) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 11:35:46 pm 
|
| gregy>
| yeah..."So much to do...so little time to do it"......<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 194) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 9:04:03 am 
| URL
|
| Reset00>
| New type of Arachne external packages .APX have been repeatedly tested
| on four different computers and work well.
|
| VC.apx - an external Volkov Commander APM package and
| NPT32.apx - external Neopaint Arachne APM package
|
| Both of these could be installed anywhere once and then run
| from any Arachne install
| - VC and Neopaint only one click away from any of your Arachne installs.
|
| XAPM.apm the APX package installer/driver repeatedly tested well on the four
|
| Not happy that packages could now be installed anywhere once and
| then run from any Arachne install I've also created
|
| ApxDesk the Arachne Desktop to accomodate these packages.
|
| It will create a link to itself on the home.htm page (removable) and
| allow startup of these .APX packages from any Arachne simply by
| running the deskinit.asf script that will load a mini version of XAPM.apm
| and the info necessary for Arachne to find the files and the desktop itself.
|
| http://telusplanet.net/public/bjlcasto/apx.htm
| Please send feedback.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  195) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 9:05:11 am 
| URL
|
| Reset00>
| gregy,
| the message was posted for the benefit of others who read the board.
| thanks.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  196) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 3:31:17 am 
|
| gregy>
| Reset00...thanks for posting that.....I must confess that I haven't yet
| given those packages a workout.
| ...
| I got sidetracked, outside, by the moderating weather......
| ..
| It's snowing, again, and I'm more-or-less back inside for about a week
| ....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 197) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 7:01:48 am 
|
| Jake>
| What did you get done, outside?
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  198) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 11:08:20 pm 
|
| gregy>
| well...snow got shoveled....<g g g g>
| ...
| Seriously...I had/still have storage sorting/rearranging/cataloging...
| ...and throwing....
| ...
| Plus, had to cut some wood and some panels for a couple small projects
| I have going....nothing that wouldn't wait for spring...but...hey..!!!
| ..when spring comes (tentatively) in January/February...why should I
| resist it.....????.......<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 199) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 8:18:35 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| Hmmmmm....I think the last sentence of the third paragraph says it all
| .....
|
| http://www.wlextv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4449021
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 200) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 8:25:09 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| And...something else...
|
| http://www.dailyinterlake.com/articles/2006/02/19/columns/columns01.txt
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 201) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 8:58:49 pm 
|
| ray>
| Howdy.
|
| I forgot the URL of this board, but Glenn refreshed me, said I could
| find Gregy hanging out here.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 202) Wed, Feb 22, 2006 - 12:27:38 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| Oh, yes...!!!  whenever I am, that is...hanging, I mean....<g g g>
| ...
| and...hmmmmm....again.....
|
| http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&artnum=2&issue=
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 203) Wed, Feb 22, 2006 - 4:02:30 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| Only 31%....????
| ...
| http://www.Frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21398
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 204) Fri, Feb 24, 2006 - 7:28:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| You play the market Gregy?
| Not me, I can't stand the smell of the place.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 205) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 8:51:57 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...nope...don't have the money to "play the market"....but....I don't
| have any ideological biase against it....I actually worked as an
| Account Executive in a Brokerage Office for about 8+months....aka...
| worked in a "bucketshop"......<g g g>
| ...
| No, what that link in 202 is to is an article that has nothing to do
| with the "market"....maybe you need to "mark and paste" the link into
| your URLwindow....since clicking the blue URL seems to mis-direct to
| their homepage, occasionally..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 206) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 2:38:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| You get the intended article if you go-back to here and then hit the
| link again.
|
| Ya' gots ta give dem dier cookies back or dey won't let ya' read da article.
|
| ibdCheck=sCheck=yes; path=/; domain=www.investors.com
| \
| \
| \
| \
| \
| ibdCookie=firstLogin=; path=/; domain=www.investors.com
| \
| \
| \
| \
| \
| ASPSESSIONIDQQRSBQCC=BCEFICKCMALODHPMBEBDJILC; path=/; domain=www.investors.
| \
| \
| \
| \
| \
| IBDHBO=IFT=1; expires=Sun, 26-Feb-2006 08:00:00 GMT; domain=investors.com; p
| \
| \
| \
| \
| \
| ASPSESSIONIDSQRTBBRT=LDFDGDGCMJKELGKMCIDAEAFO; path=/; domain=www.investors.
| \
| \
| \
| \
| \
| ASPSESSIONIDSCBADSRC=OIJPMDFCGAHECPDLPLLMOFEL; path=/; domain=www.investors.
| \
| \
| \
| \
| \
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 207) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 4:27:36 pm 
|
| gregy>
| hi..Glenn....yep....<g>...
| ...
| And...I got my new .ACFs/.CFGs installed on my existing (this) install,
| which is a mish-mash of 1.85 and 1.87....and the thing seems to be
| working....so....next do it with the new 1.89 install, then...<g g g>
| ..
| Oh, BTW....with all the extras in my CFGs/ACFs I got the "more than
| 256 lines in arachne.cfg" error upon initial fireup....so...a judicious
| use of the DEL-key in those new files fixed that...
| ...
|  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 208) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 4:41:47 pm 
|
| gregy>
| well....so far....1.89 is working....<g g g>
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 209) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 4:44:33 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Waith all that "extra stuff" you have in your arachne.cfg.........
|
| You'll be glad to hear that I'll be increaseing that line-limit to 512 <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 210) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 4:46:00 pm 
|
| gregy>
| <bump>.....he he...I already spotted your post on one of the other
| boards...
| ...
| and...so far, the mail(s) all work, and all my "personalized" pages
| are in there and working...
| ...
| ...so...it's about time to overlay that 1.90......<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 211) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 4:47:15 pm 
|
| gregy>
| I've never been able to figure out why Michael had the .CFG with that
| 256-line limit, anyway....
| ...
| ?????
| ..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 212) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 4:52:54 pm 
|
| gregy>
| well...that was quick...just a core-swap....however....NOTE - with the
| 1.89 core, I had 190+KbytesFREE, now with the 1.90 core, I have only
| ....brace yourself for this...
| ...
| ...189568......<g g g>.....bummer.....<g g g>
| ...
| now go check if the mails, etc still work....
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 213) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 4:56:46 pm 
|
| gregy>
| yep...mails still work, and other things, too..
| ..
| 1.90beta...is under test
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 214) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 5:24:55 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Whatcha mean 'beta' ???
|
| That's not beta... it's 100% STABLE !!!! <ggggggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 215) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 5:29:01 pm 
|
| gregy>
| it's BETA..!!!...until I cruise with it for at LEAST a week....\!!!!
| ...
| ...and...THEN...it's still on probation until I say it can come in out
| of the cold.....<g g g>
| ..
| (poor, poor 190...it's been sub-zero, here, for the past week....but..
| hey....it's warming up this weekend....<g g g>......)...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 216) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 6:08:49 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ...but...I'll probably feed it some nice hot cocoa, since it's beginning
| to look like it's a "keeper"......<g g g>
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 217) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 4:35:12 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...I have had a couple of "lockups" using the rss functions...
| ..these appear to be specific to some sites...but...I can't nail it
| down any closer than that....I'll continue to check it out and gather
| more data on it.....it is a lockup "before" actually clicking the rss
| link....I mean, while moving the mouse over to an rss feed link I want
| to click....suddenly, the mouse disappears and .... NOTHING...no
| recovery possible...just C-A-D.....
| ...
| It happened once on the Washington Post RSS feeds page....but...other
| than those 2-3 times, the new RSSfunctionality seems to work fine...
| ..
| Oh, one other thing....I can't seem to get our RSSfunctionality to grab
| the Washington Times RSSfeeds.....the links they use end in ".rss"
| whereas other RSSlinks mostly end in ".xml".....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 218) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 4:37:38 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Also, Glenn....QUESTION....this version 1.90 we're playing with, now...
| ...I understood you to say that you and Michael had an agreement that
| you would use the odd numbers and leave the even numbers for his use, if
| he should ever want them.....have you two dropped that agreement...???
| ...or...is the 1.90number only a temporary number for preliminary test
| purposes, and this version will ultimately be issued as v.1.91....???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 219) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 7:17:55 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Keep me informed on thos lock-ups.
|
| Got a URL to thw Wa Post RSS feeds ?
|
|
| Joe has been in contact with Michael and he says...
|
| "no need to use only odd numbers"
|
| So... we gonna use 'em all from now on. :)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 220) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 2:11:43 pm 
|
| gregy>
| well...I was just being snoopy/curious.....I kinda figured it was some
| such.....but....hey..!!!...I'll take 'em with any number on 'em...<g g>
| ...
| ..Re:  RSS lockups...as I said...I'm not sure what it was..but..I think
| it happened when just moving the mouse over the "hover" links....I'll
| check it further....
| ...
| ...and...also, try to fugure out why the WashingtonTimes uses "file.rss"
| type links, instead of the more usual "file.xml" type links....and try
| to see if there's a way to use those .RSS-files with our setup...
|  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 221) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 2:16:47 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Oh, and...I've pretty well got the "commonCFGs" thing worked out...and
| ..the "commonAUTOEXECandCONFIG.SYS"(for both OpDOSandMSDOS - using the
| QEMM) about finalized....and...I've resurrected my PRN2FILE and checked
| it out (and fixed the non-operating "HDD LED" on this box, so I can
| varify-at-a-glance that the PRN2FILE is activated with CTRL-P)...so..
| I'm about ready to go back to troubleshooting that CDrecord problem..
| ..
| ...so...you offered to help...and I'll surely take you up on that....
| ...<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 222) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 5:25:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| So-far I have found these 4 content-type specs being use.
|
| application/rdf+xml RSS>HTM|@call rss2htm.bat $1 $2
| application/rss+xml RSS>HTM|@call rss2htm.bat $1 $2
| application/xml RSS>HTM|@call rss2htm.bat $1 $2
| text/xml RSS>HTM|@call rss2htm.bat $1 $2
|
|
| When you link to a file and the "don't know how to handle"
| message comes-up....
|
| Add that content-type to the list in mime.cfg
|
| I just added this one last evening due to a link I found at the
| Washington Post site.
|
| application/rdf+xml RSS>HTM|@call rss2htm.bat $1 $2
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 223) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 5:27:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But if they send it as 'text/plain' .... we're screwed :(
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 224) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 5:30:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Unless of-course you do this temporarily....
|
| text/plain RSS>HTM|@call rss2htm.bat $1 $2
|
| Put that line at the top of mime.cfg and it will be used instead of this
| one that's further down in mime.cfg
|
| text/plain TXT
|
| After doing what you need to do with the .RSS being send as text/plain
| comment-out that line like so.......
|
| ;text/plain RSS>HTM|@call rss2htm.bat $1 $2
|
| Remove the ';' the next time you get another .RSS sent as text/plain
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 225) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 7:08:35 pm 
|
| gregy>
| hmmm...do I understand that I can just "permanently" add those new rss
| types to mime.cfg....???  all, except for that last "txt" one...???
| ...
| I mean, it seems like that is what you are saying....
| ....<g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 226) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 7:17:45 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Oh, and BTW, I almost forgot....
| ...
| I'm using your mime.cfg that you included with that 190-0220.zip...and
| ...as far as I can see,....that is the "full-type" mime.cfg, as opposed
| to the "lite-type" mime.cfg normally included in the standard new
| distro package.....is that correct....??
| ...
| I mean, your mime seems to have all that "extra-FULL" stuff uncommented
| and in full operation.....am I correct....???
| ..
| If I am correct....that I need to confess....
| ...
| Way back when...when you were first beginning to issue new versions, I
| was one of the influences that caused you to 1st) issue two versions
| (FULL and LITE), then 2nd) to just issue the LITE, with instructions to 
| uncomment anything "extra" that we wanted to implement.
| ....
| I now find (after sorta pondering this for the past 5-6 months, and now
| using your mimefull.cfg) that I was mistaken....I now think the full
| type mime.cfg should be the default one issued with new versions...and
| maybe the lite type mime.cfg should be included as "mimelite.cfg" so
| users can choose between them.....but...it makes more sense now, to
| just issue the default mime.cfg as the full-type....
| ...
| comments...???  questions....??? (I mean, this isn't arbitrary change,
| but I have some serious arguments/reasons that have caused me to change
| my mind)...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 227) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 7:26:24 pm 
|
| gregy>
| oh, and also....any specific place to paste-in these new rss-mime-types
| ...???  or just anywhere they land, will do...???.....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 228) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 12:15:23 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: ... just "permanently" add those new rss ...
|
| Yep... put 'em in there... leave 'em in there.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 229) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 12:17:18 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: mime.cfg ... 'lite' vs 'full'
|
|
| The one I had in that zipp _should_ have bee n the 'lite' version.
|
| If all of this stuff is commented-out like so, with the ';' at the start
| of the line....... she be lite. ;-)
|
| ;audio/mpeg                  MP3|@d:\\audio\\mpxplay1.479\\mpxplay.exe -m $1
| ;audio/x-mpeg                MP3|@d:\\audio\\mpxplay1.479\\mpxplay.exe -m $1
| ;audio/mpeg3                 MP3|@d:\\audio\\mpxplay1.479\\mpxplay.exe -m $1
| ;audio/x-mpeg3               MP3|@d:\\audio\\mpxplay1.479\\mpxplay.exe -m $1
| ;audio/mpeg                  MP3|call C:\\1batch\\aramulti.bat $1
| ;audio/x-mpeg                MP3|call C:\\1batch\\aramulti.bat $1
| ;audio/mpeg3                 MP3|call C:\\1batch\\aramulti.bat $1
| ;audio/x-mpeg3               MP3|call C:\\1batch\\aramulti.bat $1
| ;audio/midi                  MID|d:\\audio\\cndmidi\\cndmidi.exe $1
| ;audio/x-midi                MID|d:\\audio\\cndmidi\\cndmidi.exe $1
| ;audio/s3m                   S3M|@d:\\audio\\mod\\cp16\\cp.EXE $1
| ;audio/x-s3m                 S3M|@d:\\audio\\mod\\cp16\\cp.EXE $1
| ;audio/mod                   MOD|@d:\\audio\\mod\\cp16\\cp.EXE $1
| ;audio/x-mod                 MOD|@d:\\audio\\mod\\cp16\\cp.EXE $1
| ;application/x-arachne-package APM|$eacopy.exe $d e:\\arachne\\apm\\ $1
| ;file/printprn.dgi    |[100]TYPE _*.txt>PRN\ntype formfeed>prn
| ;file/printbmp.dgi    |[100]g:\\graphics\\printgfd\\printgfd.exe _4prt.bmp /
| ;file/printjpg.dgi    |[100]g:\\graphics\\printgfd\\printgfd.exe _4prt.jpg /
| ;file/.mp3             |@d:\\audio\\DOSAMP\\DOSAMP.EXE $1 -downsample
| ;file/.mp3             |@d:\\audio\\mpxplay1.479\\mpxplay.exe -m $1
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 230) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 12:21:14 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to where in mime.cfg to put the new lines..........
|
| _Always_ place new at the top.
|
| That's because........
|
| -- clipped from post #224 ---
|
| Put that line at the top of mime.cfg and it will be used instead of this
| one that's further down in mime.cfg
| ___________________________________________
|
| Since the 1st line found is the one that will be used....
|
| At the TOP she be best place. :)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 231) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:22:23 am 
|
| gregy>
| okay...checked and that audio stuff is commented out....so it's LITE...
| ...
| ...but...per my pondering/thought/question.....should we issue the LITE
| or FULL mime.cfg...???  I mean, what harm can it do to have all that
| stuff uncommented....???  If something isn't loaded, that MIME.CFG tries
| to access, it'll only give an ERROR, and then go merrily on its way..
| won't it...???
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 232) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:26:44 am 
|
| gregy>
| ALSO...pursuant to - DNSvariables in ARACHNE.CFG:
|
| ;NameServer %DNS1
| ;AltNameServer %DNS2
|
| Shouldn't those two variables be surrounded by "%" signs...???
| ...like so:
|
| ;NameServer %DNS1%
| ;AltNameServer %DNS2%
|
| ..or is only one, leading, "%" needed.....???
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 233) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 3:51:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep.... only a leading % ... no trailing
|
| I could have made it just like 
| IP_Address %myip%
|
| But that would have take 3 or 4 more lines of code. <ggg>
|
| Ray did not like my 'leading % only' implementation
| so his implementation _does_ include the trailing %
|
| As to lite vs full mime.cfg
|
| Lite is the way to go becuase with some of that stuff, if a user does
| not have the 'companion program' that's needed... loop...loop...loop...
| as core.exe looks for the converted file, does not find it, tries to do
| the conversion again, still does not find the converted file, tries
| again... and again.... and again....
|
| Here are some examples.
|
| ;file/.pdf            >TXT|@c:\\xpdfdos\\pdftotex.exe -q $1 $2
|
| If you don't have pdftotex.exe
| (or you have it but it's not in c:\xpdfdos\),
|
| Arachne will re-download the PDF file when it does not find the txt file
| that was supposed to be coming from pdftotex.exe
|
| ;text/enriched            RTF>HTM|@call rtf2htm.bat $1 $2
| ;text/richtext            RTF>HTM|@call rtf2htm.bat $1 $2
| ;application/rtf          RTF>HTM|@call rtf2htm.bat $1 $2
|
| --- rtf2htm.bat ---
| copy %1 temprtf.rtf
| c:\1common\martha.com temprtf.rtf
| copy temprtf.htm %1htm
| del temprtf.*
| ___________________
|
|
| rtf2htm.bat _is_ included in my relaes package.
|
|
| However... martha.com is not.
|
| Same situation... if you don't have c:\1common\martha.com
| Arachnew re-downloads the RTF file when the HTM file is not found.
|
|
| ;file/.doc          >TXT|c:\\antiword\\antiword.exe $1>$2
| ;application/msword >TXT|c:\\antiword\\antiword.exe $1>$2
|
| Same again.... the .DOC is re-downloaded over and over again
| if you don't have c:\antiword\antiword.exe
|
|
| ;image/x-xbitmap    >GIF|g:\\graphics\\nview\\nconvert.exe -out gif $1 $2
|
| And again... the .XBM gets re-downloaded over and over again.
|
|
| Now we see why "lite it is, lite it must stay". <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 234) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 6:21:03 pm 
|
| gregy>
| yes...I understand...thanks for the lucidity....<g g g>
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 235) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 6:37:37 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...this 190c seems to be pretty stable....I haven't yet had a
| lockup that I think it caused....however...I'm intermittantly getting
| a lockup from passing (just passing, not clicking) the mouse over the
| links on the Washington Post RSSfeeds page....I'm still checking it out
| ...
| Be aware....this is that P133 box, and I think I previously mentioned
| that I suspected a somewhat non-standard INT13 handling by this AWARD
| BIOS (it's old...1995) and PacificRim...so...that's very possible..
| ...I'm going to try that FIXINT13 that I noticed in the QEMM 8.0 docs
| ...
| I'll let you know what I find out....also....the WashingtonTimes RSS
| links all give me a black background, and don't display html....I need
| to check that deeper....I suspect they may be delivering text/plain..
| but...I'll hafta try that before I can give more info...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 236) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 7:12:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:" Washington Post RSSfeeds page...."
|
| You got a URL of the page in question ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 237) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 7:37:08 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/rss/index.html
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 238) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 7:48:09 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| That's wierd.... I just found it and came here to ask if this is the URL
|
| http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/rss/index.html
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 239) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 7:52:12 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| --- my current history.lst ---
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/ 
| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/brd/misc/mindex.php#end 
| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/brd/misc/mindex.php 
| file:c:\html\MYPAGES\hotlist1.htm 
| file:c:\html\MYPAGES\hotlist0.htm 
| file:\arachne\hotlist.htm 
| http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/rss/index.html 
| http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/Search?keywords=rss%20feeds 
| http://www.washingtonpost.com/cgi-bin/search99.pl 
| http://www.washintonpost.com/ 
| file:c:\html\MYPAGES\hotlist1.htm 
| file:c:\html\MYPAGES\hotlist0.htm 
| file:\arachne\hotlist.htm 
| file://inbox.dgi
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 240) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 8:56:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That page is so seriously messed-up... it ain't neve gonna work. 
|
| Alt+V ...... Result: Failed validation, 93 errors 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 241) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:02:53 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Re:  238....hmmm..you know what THEY say about "small minds......."...
| ...<g g g>
| ...
| ..and...I didn't post my HISTORY.LST...I just edited it down to that
| URL....<g>.....and...I'll bet you googled for the link, too....right..??
| ...<g g g>
| ....
| ...and...of course it's a messed up page....waddaya expect..??  I mean,
| after all, it's the WashComPost...isn't it...???
| ...
| <g g g >
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 242) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:33:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Uh oh... you caught me... yep, google was the 1st stop. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 243) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:39:59 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Test this one please to see if it causes any problems.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/wp_rss-1.htm
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 244) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:54:11 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| No need to bother testing.
|
| It has now crashed my system 4 times in a row. :((
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 245) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 11:02:02 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Found the problem... it's my fault. :(
|
|
| This is what's doing it.
|
|
| //!!glennmcc: Mar 05, 2005
| //default to a contrast from both link color & background color
|   else
|     if(sheet->hoverR!=textR) //!!glennmcc: added Mar 23, 2005
|       {
|        sheet->hoverR=(sheet->backR + sheet->linkR +100) / 2;
|        sheet->hoverG=(sheet->backG + sheet->linkG +100) / 2;
|        sheet->hoverB=(sheet->backB + sheet->linkB +100) / 2;
|        }
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190-0301.zip
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 246) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 11:33:07 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That was not it after-all.
|
| v1.83 has that but v1.812 does not have the problem at the WP RSS page.
|
| It begins with v1.85
|
| So it's one of these changes made for v1.85
|
| Mar 06-14, 2005
| Ray and I fixed a few more glitches with CSS link hover
| when used within a framed page.
|
| Mar 23, 2005
| Fixed yet another glitch with CSS link hover.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 247) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 10:52:05 am 
|
| gregy>
| hmmm....I read you that you think the problem with that CSShover is way
| back around 1.85...??  Do you still want me/us to download that new
| 190-0301.zip.....???
| ...
| Or should we hold off.....???
| ...
| I'm still trying to run 0228 thru its paces....
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 248) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 11:45:47 am 
|
| gregy>
| When I try the following setting in my ARACHNE.CFG, it doesn't pick up
| the actual value stored in the environment, instead "D" dialup page
| shows only %DNS1 and %DNS2 in the two Nameserver Windows...
| ...
| NameServer %DNS1
| AltNameServer %DNS2
| ...
| Any hints...???  suggestions...???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 249) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 11:50:39 am 
|
| gregy>
| Second problem...when I ALT-E out of Arachne, and SET something=01,
| when I exit back into Arachne, then ALT-E again, the "something=01" is
| gone...
| ...
| I know why this happens (new environment is given to the new COMMAND.COM
| when I ALT-E, which goes away when I exit back into Arachne)....
| ...
| But, IP-UP.BAT runs, somehow, and it's values go into the Main Arachne
| environment for the main COMMAND.COM.....how do I get my DNS.BAT to
| run the same way that Arachne runs its IP-UP.BAT....????  So my DNS1
| and DNS2 values will be persistent....????
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 250) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 2:14:34 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ah...I found out how to do that...<g g g>...I need to dump Arachne first
| then run DNS.BAT, then relaunch Arachne....and all will be well
| ..<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 251) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 2:16:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| You will need to exit Arachne completely instead of shelling-out
| with Atl+E to be able to get the values to stay in the ENV
|
| As to the display on the dialer page.
|
| Yes, it will show just %DNS1 and %DNS2 in those boxes.
|
| The dialer page reads arachne.cfg to get those values for displaying there.
|
| It is only atcpip.c that reads the ENV variables for using them to
| contact the DNSs
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 252) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 2:17:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| <bump>
| Hi gregy ;-)
| </bump>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 253) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 2:18:54 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep... you are right to 'hold-off' on grabbing 190-0301.zip
|
| Since it did not fix the linkhover bug.... don't bother with it.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 254) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 2:39:41 pm 
|
| gregy>
| okay...Glenn....<bump - hmmm. maybe>......<g g g>
| ...
| I'll hold off on the 0301....
| ..
| Re:...getting the %DNS1/2 procedure to work, I'll fiddle and get it
| down pat...then we have it in our inventory....<g g g>
| ..
| ...and...the way I'm set up...I can "ESC" out of Arachne (and this DOES
| dump it completely) and get back in without anything more than a single
| letter .BAT....("i")....it's pretty quick and surgical...<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 255) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 3:00:24 pm 
|
| gregy>
| okay...more checking on that %DNS1/2 thingee.....
| GIVEN:  This is the complete 190-package you gave to us, plus the new
| insight, etc, that you've given since.  Overlaid on 1.89.
| ...
| The DNS1= and DNS2= values are set in the main/permanent environment,
| and I repeatedly check them with the SETcommand.....and see the proper
| values are there.
| ..
| With "D" dialpage up, it shows %DNS1 and %DNS2 in the two nameserver
| boxes.
| ...
| ALT-D gets everything going, and it dials and negotiates with my ISP's
| server, right thru to the end, then it tries to load the packet driver,
| whereupon it aborts with "Cannot Initialize PPP" error page....
| ...
| A quick shellout and SETcommand shows the DNS1/2 values are still
| correct in the environment...
| ...
| So, what's happening...???  It looks to me like CORE(? or sumpin) isn't
| using the %DNS ARACHNE.CFG variables to grab the values which I can SEE
| are firmly/correctly stored in the semi-permanent environment of the 
| main COMMAND.COM.....now, why that is happening is (at the moment)
| completely beyond me.....<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 256) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:05:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| DNSs have nothing to do with getting connected.
|
| All they do is translate a domain name into an IP address.
|
| www.cisnet.com becomes.... 68.22.80.45 (or whatever their current IP is)
|
| Lemme see your PPP.LOG file from a failed attempt.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 257) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:11:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Here's mine after a successfull dialup/connect/login with Lsppp.exe
|
| LADSoft PPP Packet Driver Ver 1.0 Copyright (c) LADSoft
| Dialing...Connecting to network...Authenticating...Negotiating IP linkage...
| Connection open
| Installed packet driver handler at vector 0x60
| PPPD status: IP address set to 4.252.89.120
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 258) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:15:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| --- critical lines from arachne.cfg ---
|
| Connection @lsppp.exe /?>NUL
|
| Dialer @lh lsppp.exe>ppp.log
| UseTerminal No
|
| [tcp/ip]
| IP_Address PPP
| IP_Grab IP address set to
| NameServer %DNS1
| AltNameServer %DNS2
| Gateway 0.0.0.0
| AltGateway 0.0.0.0
| Netmask 0.0.0.0
| TCPconfig PPPTCP.CFG
|
|
| --- and from lsppp.cfg ---
|
| /M:at&fs7=90s11=50
| /x
| /i:4
| /b:bx800
| /d:330-984-4005
| /B:115200
| /V:60
| /U:glennmcc@cisnet.com
| /P:*****<--must make sure this is EOF (end of file), no CR/LF after password
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 259) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:24:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And now my new ppp.log after hanging up and redialing with CR/LF after
| my password in lsppp.cfg
|
| LADSoft PPP Packet Driver Ver 1.0 Copyright (c) LADSoft
| Unknown command on /P switch
| Dialing...Connecting to network...Authenticating...Negotiating IP linkage...
| Connection open
| Installed packet driver handler at vector 0x60
| PPPD status: IP address set to 4.252.89.237
|
|
| This time it did not cause any problems.... just that error message from
| lsppp.exe itself.
|
| Now ... If I use a text editor that appends an actual EOF character
| to the end of the file and don't have a CR/LF after my password
| therefore ending up with a password that is 1 character linger than it
| should be (that character being the EOF characyter itself)
|
| BRB
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 260) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:28:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| LADSoft PPP Packet Driver Ver 1.0 Copyright (c) LADSoft
| Dialing...Connecting to network...Authenticating...Invalid password
| Can't connect, driver not going resident
| PPPD status: IP address set to 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 261) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:37:31 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Here's the entrys from my operational .CFG:
| ===========================
| Connection @f:\qemm\LOADHI.com epppd.exe>>PPP.LOG
| Hangup @termin.com 0x60>NUL
| [dialer]
| DialPage file:ppp_init.htm
| Dialer @MINITERM.EXE>PPP.LOG
| TerminalWindow @MINITERM.EXE
| UseTerminal No
|
| [tcp/ip]
| IP_Address PPP
| IP_Grab IP address set to
| ;;WY
| ;NameServer 65.19.208.20
| ;AltNameServer 65.19.208.21
| ;;ID
| ;NameServer 199.104.81.6
| ;AltNameServer 199.104.81.3
| ;MT
| NameServer 65.19.193.20 -----<<<NOTE - this is the normal variable
| AltNameServer 65.19.193.21 -----<<<Note - this is the normal variable
| ;;FRee
| ;NameServer 216.220.0.1
| ;AltNameServer 204.70.57.242
| ;;ENV
| ;NameServer %DNS1
| ;AltNameServer %DNS2
| Gateway 0.0.0.0
| AltGateway 0.0.0.0
| Netmask 0.0.0.0
| TCPconfig PPPTCP.CFG
| =======================
| Here's the output of my SETcommand:
| =======================
| OS=OPENDOS
| VER=7
| PATH=R:\ARACHNE;R:\;F:\;C:\;E:\;C:\DRVRS;C:\DRDOS;C:\BATCH
| COMSPEC=R:\COMMAND.COM
| TEMP=R:\TEMP\
| ARACHNETEMP=R:\TEMP\
| DNS1=65.19.193.20
| DNS2=65.19.193.21
| MYIP=199.104.117.96
| REMIP=199.104.117.66
| NETMASK=255.255.255.0
| PEERMRU=1500
| OLDPMT=$P$G
| PROMPT=You are still online$_Type EXIT to return to Arachne$_$p$g
| ============================
| Now, here's the ONLY changes made between running the normal
| ARACHNE.CFG and trying to connect using the %DSN1/2 variables:
| ============================
| ;;WY
| ;NameServer 65.19.208.20
| ;AltNameServer 65.19.208.21
| ;;ID
| ;NameServer 199.104.81.6
| ;AltNameServer 199.104.81.3
| ;;MT
| ;NameServer 65.19.193.20 -----<<<NOTE - this is now commented out
| ;AltNameServer 65.19.193.21 -----<<<Note - this is now commented out
| ;;FRee
| ;NameServer 216.220.0.1
| ;AltNameServer 204.70.57.242
| ;ENV
| NameServer %DNS1 -----<<<NOTE - this is now uncommented
| AltNameServer %DNS2 -----<<<NOTE - this is now uncommented
| =========================
| A "set" command shows the same results as above.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 262) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:38:12 pm 
|
| gregy>
| I'll try it with the TerminalWindow Yes and get right back...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 263) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:59:55 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Tried it three times...failed with err_ppp.ah each time:
|
| ===========first try=====================
|
| MINITERM 1.65 - external dialer for PPP/SLIP drivers. (c)2000 Arachne Labs.
|
| * Reading configuration file R:\ARACHNE\ARACHNE.CFG
| * Initializing modem. Press <Esc> to abort.
|
|
| login: ATZ
| Password: 
| Initialization error: No Response
|
| MINITERM failed to connect, exiting.
|
| * Leaving MINITERM and trying SLIP/PPP. Press <Ctrl>+<Pause> to abort.
| Invalid DNS Address %DNS1.
| Wrong program arguments.
| PPP link is down, driver not installed.
|
| =================second try================
| identical
|
| ==============third try===================
| identical
|
| SETcommand after all this:
|
| OS=OPENDOS
| VER=7
| PATH=R:\ARACHNE;R:\;F:\;C:\;E:\;C:\DRVRS;C:\DRDOS;C:\BATCH
| COMSPEC=R:\COMMAND.COM
| TEMP=R:\TEMP\
| ARACHNETEMP=R:\TEMP\
| DNS1=65.19.193.20
| DNS2=65.19.193.21
| MYIP=198.60.96.153
| REMIP=199.104.117.66
| NETMASK=254.0.0.0
| PEERMRU=1500
| PROMPT=$P$G
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 264) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 5:01:44 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Now, TerminalWindow, with ARACHNE.CFG reset to normal nameserver
| variables so I get a good connect:
|
| =========successful connect=============
|
| Arachne V1.90;GPL,386+ is taking off...
|
| MINITERM 1.65 - external dialer for PPP/SLIP drivers. (c)2000 Arachne Labs.
|
| * Reading configuration file R:\ARACHNE\ARACHNE.CFG
| * Initializing modem. Press <Esc> to abort.
| ATZ
| OK
| * Dialing 262-9800. Press <Esc> to abort.
| ATDT262-9800
| CONNECT 28800/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS
|
| IMPORTANT:
| This is point where most novice users are becoming confused.
| When you see "weird characters" (like "{#@${!^%{"), it is not error. These
| characters are PPP packets and you shoul press <F7> key to load PPP driver !
|
| * Terminal mode. Press <Alt+P> or <F7> to load PPP driver.
|
| Welcome to 3Com Total Control HiPer ARC (TM)
| Networks That Go The Distance (TM)
|
| login: 
| * Leaving MINITERM and trying SLIP/PPP. Press <Ctrl>+<Pause> to abort.
| Installed packet driver handler at vector 0x60.
|
| NOTE - SETcommand output remains the same, through all of this...(see
| above for that output)...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 265) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 5:04:45 pm 
|
| gregy>
| I'm not sure why that miniterm gets it's responses "out of sequence"
| like it does, just because I comment-out the correct ;MT nameservers
| and uncomment the :ENV variables %DNS1/2
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 266) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 7:37:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Sorry.... my bad.
|
| I never fully explained it.
|
| %DNS1 and %DNS2 do not work with miniterm/epppd
|
| They only work when lsppp.exe is used as both dialer and packet driver.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 267) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 8:02:32 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ah...but...then I miscommunicated with you.....my whole purpose in this
| was to get the miniterm/epppd combination to work with those %DNS1/2
| variables...and....I think I have some sort of trail to track down as
| to why they don't...
| ..
| I'll post some more later...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 268) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 8:37:59 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But why not use Lsppp instead ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 269) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 2:51:50 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Uh oh.... it's getting pretty warm up there. <gggg>
|
| http://banners.wunderground.com/banner/gizmotimetemp/global/stations/04301.g
|
| Kap Morris Jesup, Greenland (closest reporting station to the North pole)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 270) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 12:46:23 pm 
|
| gregy>
| LSPPP...???  'cause I've tried it numerous times over the years and can
| never get it to work....so...I'm not interested, currently, with trying
| to fight that fight again......AFTER I've dinked with EPPPD/miniterm,
| then I'll work intensely on getting that LSPPP working here....after
| all,...it IS part of our package, and I should be able to get it working
| sometime, and be more fully knowledgeable with it.....but...I'll NEVER
| agree to dumping miniterm/EPPPD completely.....what with the users that
| we have who CAN'T get LSPPP to work...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 271) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 12:48:08 pm 
|
| gregy>
| weather...???  We're getting a fast-moving, heavy storm coming thru here
| right now...and...as fast moving as it is, it could hit you midwest guys
| as early as tomorrow night....and...from its initial bang, it MIGHT be
| a REAL bearcat, by the time it hits you...so....polish up your snow
| shovels....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 272) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 12:54:26 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Re:  North Pole....yep...thankfully, it's still warming up, globally...
| ...but...of course,...the globwaams are using that to increase the 
| volume of their shrill shrieks of, "The sky is warming, the sky is 
| warming...!!!!...oh, horrors...!!!"....
| ...
| And, in the past (up to 1975, when the global temps were slightly 
| declining) their shrieks were, "Global Winter...etc...!!!"  These people
| infuriate me...or would...if they weren't so ridiculous.....<g g g>
| ..
| What DOES infuriate me is the pols and others who let them blackmail
| them into "doing something".....that "doing something" ALWAYS seems to
| work out to "screw the ordinary people" as long as it doesn't hurt my
| "limosene liberal" lifestyle...why...let the "commoners" eat cake..(or
| that other four-letter c-word...that I'm not allowed to post on this
| family-friendly message board.....<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 273) Mon, Mar 06, 2006 - 2:41:58 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| Yep...prisoner abuse, all right...!!!
|
| http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18376232%255E1
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 274) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 6:50:25 am 
| URL
|
| X86>
| gregy:  I had some issues with LSPPP here in the UK but with Glen's help sol
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  275) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:13:18 am 
|
| gregy>
| x86....thanks...I saved that page off, and the link (do I remember that
| you more-or-less have a static IP number on your server...???)...
| ...
| When I get to dealing with implementing the LSPPP again, I'll peruse
| that page and it'll probably give me some help....
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 276) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:26:01 am 
| URL
|
| X86>
| Gregy:  Yes I have a static IP on ADSL Broadband connection, but there is ti
| than my underwear!!!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  277) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 6:23:35 pm 
|
| gregy>
| he he...sounds like a "fly boy".....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 278) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 2:35:01 am 
| URL
|
| COOL!>
| http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=en&u=http://83.67.55.228/page
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  279) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 2:38:58 am 
| URL
|
| OR!>
| http://www.google.es/search?hl=es&q=83.67.55.228&btnG=B%C3%BAsqueda+en+Googl
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  280) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 5:33:26 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re: post#276
| X86,     What,  change underwear?   My mother taught me not to
| mess my underwear.....cuts down on the wash load! <ggg>
| Of course, there are those who deem underwear superfluous!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 281) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 11:07:46 pm 
|
| X86>
| ERIC you throw your underwear at the wall, if it sticks you know it is time 
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  282) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 10:48:58 am 
|
| gregy>
| awww...you guys are making me feel embarrassed....<g g g g>
| ...
| I mean...sometimes past I've ressembled that....<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 283) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 11:42:53 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| hmmmmm.....
| http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49221
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 284) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 12:28:21 pm 
|
| X86>
| gregy: never grow up, it is the only way to stay young ??
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  285) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 1:22:49 pm 
|
| gregy>
| x86...hmmmm.."never grow up"...oops, I think I passed that point loooong
| ago....<g g g>....I mean, I hope I've grown up.....when I look in the
| mirror, I'm SURE of it....<g g g>
| ...
| however, all is not lost....at 64 1/2, I'm still "approaching middleage"
| ....<g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 286) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 8:41:57 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| Wowww...!!!  These are fanTASTic...!!!!
|
| http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7567
|
| Scroll all the way down thru to the bottom...where he shows how (sorta)
| it's done.....<gg g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 287) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 12:18:33 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   That Beever is some artist.  Really enjoyed those pictures!
| Thanx <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 288) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 12:39:01 am 
|
| gregy>
| yeah...I was amazed....that first pic of the coke bottle blew me away
| ...and they only got better as you went down....<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 289) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 3:31:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| "amazed" does not even begin to cover what I feel right now.
|
| THANK YOU !!!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 290) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 5:34:58 pm 
|
| gregy>
| yw....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 291) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 2:14:18 pm 
|
| X86>
| Glennmcc:  TRUCE ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  292) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 3:12:59 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Where ya' been ? Haven't heard from ya in like 2 weeks. <ggg>
|
| Whaaaasss Uuuuuuppp ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 293) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 3:15:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Heard anything more about EZ-NOS2 FTP stuff ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 294) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 4:15:44 pm 
|
| X86>
| G: Two weeks - my last posting here was the 11th March, the other board is s
|
| EZNOS2 will not be updated till Ken or the other person (forgot his name) ha
| is high priority.
|
| Personally I am just trying to get my life back on track, after losing my be
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  295) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 5:18:22 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Sorry to hear of you loss.
|
| My best friend was my father.
|
| He died 18yrs ago today.
|
|    Ralph C. McCorkle
| Dec 3, 1924 - Mar 15, 1988
|
|    We miss you Dad.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 296) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 10:46:49 pm 
|
| X86>
| G: Thanks, I put a dedication on the opening page of my site the week she di
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  297) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 12:04:13 am 
|
| X86>
| Glennmcc:  It does not get easier with time I lost my father 5 years ago, bu
|
| The Fluoxetine helps !!!!!!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  298) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 3:27:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| 1st hit on google......
|
| Fluoxetine (Sarafem) is used to relieve the
| symptoms of premenstrual dysphoric...
| Fluoxetine (Sarafem) is usually taken once a day,
| either every day of the .....
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 299) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:41:11 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...you having "health" problems.....???.......<g g g g g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 300) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:42:57 pm 
|
| gregy>
| x86.....yes...you have my condolences....and...you're right...it will
| NEVER stop hurting....but...the pain WILL ease.....scar tissue is still
| painful...but nowhere near the pain of a fresh raw wound..
| ..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 301) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 12:06:12 am 
| URL
|
| X86>
| Glennmcc:  No I do not have Premenstrual Tension thankyou, I have cut it dow
| Depression, as they say keep it in the family..
|
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoxetine
|
| Gregy: Thanks
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  302) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 3:48:23 am 
|
| Jake>
| Re: #294
|
| If I'm "J" then maybe it's time to move on, Martin? ;-)
|
| I'd prefer you to talk about it.
|
| Hello everybody, not dropped by for a while cos I've been
| using an old browser without a bookmark for this page.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  303) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 4:13:26 am 
|
| X86>
| Jake:  that was a typo, did not realise till re-read what I have written, si
|
| I will be hanging out here for a while as feel AQC is not a nice place to pa
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  304) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 5:32:25 am 
|
| Jake>
| Well there's always a place for a hot air debate over here <G>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  305) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 6:12:00 am 
|
| x86>
| Jake: Hot air I can deal with, absolute drunken diatribes, no thanks.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  306) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 12:16:01 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep.... I too realized the typo when I saw it.
|
| 'N' instead of 'J' <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 307) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 1:32:06 pm 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| I had just posted the link to the wanking poll (having read the URL)
| but thought it relevant to what was going on at AQCoC at the time...
| even tho it added to the general noise.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  308) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 1:44:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Not to worry Jake...
| my board has been about 99% noise for quite some time now. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 309) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 2:01:42 pm 
|
| X86>
| ? Another Poll devised and undertaken by one man from AQC ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  310) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 2:02:44 pm 
|
| X86>
| AQC seems to be a cesspit ? maybe rename to TWA forum ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  311) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 6:52:01 pm 
|
| gregy>
| x86...you're, of course, always welcome here....but...if someone ranting
| comes in here (the link is known, just not often used)...I don't shut it
| down, or clip it out, either.....Glenn, Jake and I pretty much informally
| decided/agreed that these ArachneCommunityGeneral boards are pretty much
| un-monitored, controlled...
| ..
| If someone comes in, who offends you, I will say that I'm sorry, now
| beforehand....and won't address it then....
| ...
| Mostly, here....it's pretty quiet.....<g g g>
| ..
| We have other boards that are NOT known...those are for diffeent working
| groups....
| ...
| ...but....these general-boards are pretty loose...he he...as you've
| observed....<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 312) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 8:48:22 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| hmmmmmm.....
|
| http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/russian_blames_global_warming_on_1908_tungusk
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 313) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 9:25:05 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| 'nother...hmmmmm...
|
| http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=EE418016-0667-4C62-9602
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 314) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 11:30:48 pm 
|
| X86>
| I realise you have taken a stance about non-moderation, but one person is us
| invite new visitors!
|
| Aah well thats life...............
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  315) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 12:53:17 am 
|
| gregy>
| yes...<g>....and, seriously, would you have it any other way...???
| ...
| I mean, for each of us to be given the latitude to operate and live in
| the way that suits us best...???  Given, of course, that we do not do
| grevious, intentional harm to another...???
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 316) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 1:05:10 am 
|
| X86>
| NO COMMENT - MAYBE ASK N TO POST HERE AS WELL ??
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  317) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 1:56:34 am 
|
| Jake>
| I see you've already thrown down the gauntlet.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  318) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 3:24:42 am 
|
| gregy>
| x86...ask him...???  now that would be somewhat inhospitable to you,
| wouldn't it...???  Since I know how much he irritates you...
| ...
| No, I don't "ask" anyone to post here....<gg g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 319) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:44:23 am 
|
| Jake>
| #315
| "I mean, for each of us to be given the latitude to operate and live in
| the way that suits us best...???"
|
| I heard an obit yesterday for an American sci-fi writer, Octavia something, 
| had perfect empathy, so no-one did anything to piss anyone else off.
|
| Also, an obit of Tony Farrar-Hockley of Korean War Glorious Glosters fame, t
| far more ably, but British PR had to turn their disaster into something spec
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  320) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:45:47 am 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| A bit of hot air debate...
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  321) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 6:24:07 am 
|
| gregy>
| yes...except it's not true that "Sagan sold out.."....Sagan never had
| anything, one way or the other, to sell out....He was a hoax and a fraud
| from the get-go.....the only reason why he was tolerated by so-called
| "scientist" and lionized by the newsy-newsys was because he carried the
| spear for ummm...what'shisname...the guy who was bound and determined
| to discredit Velikovsky...hmmm...well...oh, Harold Urey....because of
| his "leading the charge" Urey and other scientism-devotees even let him
| get away with claiming leading involvement in Stanley Miller's 1950s
| experiments of trying to "manufacture life" (or the components thereof)
| thru sparking a mixture of methane and ammonia gases in a chamber...
| ..scientism NEVER called Sagan to account for this...and mediamouths
| never questioned him about this....why..???  because he was leading the
| charge against Velikovsky...and, incidentally, providing a smokescreen
| for lyellian-uniformatarianism.....a scientism-dogma that was much in
| need of shoring up...and was finally collapsed by the Alvarezes with
| their "meteor strike" hypothesis....
| ...never-the-less...in spite of NEVER having made ANY useful
| contribution to anything in science...Sagan was never discredited and
| died, still lionized.....
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 322) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 6:29:41 am 
|
| gregy>
| ..so much for official "scientific consensus".....such "consensus" has
| proven to be mostly "who had the biggest, most media-genic mouth and
| got there with the mostest propaganda that pleased the ideologs best."
| ...
| That link you posted....is a "scientism puff piece"...and the guy never
| DID answer the other guy's questions....except to slough him off with
| that "consensus" stuff.....
| ...
| You notice very clearly...that he didn't EVEN passing refer to
| Lombjorg's book or work....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 323) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 6:34:59 am 
|
| gregy>
| ..however..the idiot DID slip up and give his whole argument away...
| ..he listed that "Little Ice Age" book for further reading...now..no
| matter how that author treats the Little Ice Age....the title, alone,
| will lead to discovery of ...ta da....The Medieval Warm Period...and
| to discovering that we STILL haven't come fully back out of that Little
| Ice Age to the same temperature/climate levels we were in before it
| arrived...
| ..but...thus do ideologs betray their own propaganda...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 324) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:37:04 am 
|
| Jake>
| I look forward to seeing your comments posted, over there.
|
| The "idiot" is certainly better read than I (haven't read a book in years)
| and I hope to convince you that the Christian Right does itself immense
| harm by being so cock-sure about everything. But then they believe they
| have the right, so to be!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  325) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 3:20:10 pm 
| URL
|
| X86>
| Glennmcc: Still having DoS attacks on my server, PHP's usually, but recently
| WAN Side FTP has been turned off.  Off course any IP numbers in the Logs hav
| very stable, even changing routers without a reboot it will still function.
|
| Networking over Mains is my latest replacement/alternative for Wired/WiFi an
| technology.  I had to exchange a Clients Router so at present testing to des
| TV, another my X86Server and lastly my Business Laptop.
|
| http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline.htm
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  326) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:23:49 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Sounds like you're still haveing fun. <ggg>
|
| Still the same IP... right ?
|
| 83.67.55.228
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 327) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:24:17 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep.... still there ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 328) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:29:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to DoS/phishing attacks.
|
| Yep, every time I fire-up my server,
| either in DOS with EZ-NOS2 or in Linux with Apache....
|
| I can count on at-least one barrage of attempts per evening.
| (usually about 100 or so attempts to hack into my system)
|
| No success to any attempt because I don't have any of what they are
| looking for installed on my system.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 329) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 7:37:47 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Jake...Re: 324...."...does itself immense harm..."....well, be that as it
| may....but what about "those" (whatevers) who are so cocksure about their
| erroneous glob-waam ideology....I mean...you can read his supercilious
| handling of the other guy who asked him some 1,2,3-type questions...??
| ..
| Where ISN'T he cocksure...???
| ...
| And, this isn't "Christian Right"....I had this irritation long before I
| became part of the "Christian Right (whatever that is)"....I mean, way
| back when I first read thru the complete Grollier Ency (at age 5) and 
| then "knew everything" and did further reading, and found out..HEY..!!1
| ..those guys are feeding me bull.....one or the other of them....
| ....then....in early 50s, Junior High, I found the "horsey-horsey" series
| (equus-equus), all set out there as if it were "gospel truth" (and it was
| certainly treated with such...if you refused to swallow it, you were a
| scientism-heretic)...and it, even at that time, was thoroughly debunked,
| but it was still "gospel truth" in my textbooks, and most of the Church
| Scientism dogma-writings...
| ...
| So, I've been watching this whole "runaway greenhouse gas" thing since
| from before it was applied to planet earth...and it's ALL hogwash...and,
| I'm sorry to say, even your dear old prof has toddled off in non-logical
| directions....
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 330) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 7:49:59 pm 
|
| gregy>
| I'm not going over and posting at that jerk's site...I wouldn't waste my
| time with him...he's amply demonstrated that he's immune to discussion
| ...but...this isn't "the Christian Right" believing they have the right
| to be "so sure" about everything....
| 1.  That guy even lists as one of his references, "The Little Ice Age.."
| 2.  He does NOT even think that he's contradicting his dogmatic 
| pronouncements with his own reference....how so...??
| 3.  If we did indeed have "The Little Ice Age"...then it MUST be that
| we've warmed up from it (his ref. even gives ballpark dates)..and may
| be (even probably are) still warming up from that "The Little Ice Age"
| 4.  Then the question is, "What conditions did we have before The Little
| Ice Age?"....and the answer is, "The Medieval Warm Period."...and..if
| he even cared, he'd check and find out that we STILL have not warmed back
| up to the conditions we had then...
| 5.  And..the jerk would, at least, try to answer that poster's questions
| instead of just blowing him off.
|  
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 331) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 7:52:53 pm 
|
| gregy>
| So...any time I run into one of those, "..the consensus of scientific
| opinion...etc.." drivel-dribbles...I know what's coming, and it's all a
| load of garbage...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 332) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 7:55:11 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Now, you invited comment (by posting the link, here)....and I've given
| comment, IMNSHO.....<g g g g>
| ..oh....and MNSHO is NOT "christian right being so sure..etc"  it's ME
| refusing to turn my brain off and stop myself from making logical
| deductions FROM THE DATA....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 333) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 10:04:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Said data being so wildly contradictory that no 'concrete conclusions' can
| be drawn from it which could then be claimed as being the 'gospel truth'.
|
| IMNSHO,
|
| There is only one statement which _is_ the 'gospel truth'.
|
| That being.... "I don't know what the 'gospel truth' is."
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 334) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 10:36:58 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...sort of....but I don't think that you are saying that "I can't
| know anything.".....at least you don't try that copout most of the time
| ...<g g g>
| ...
| I clarify....FROM THE DATA...what data....the data that conclusively
| show the evidence for "The Little Ice Age"....and..."The Medieval Warm
| Period".....and...NONE of that data is/everhasbeen refuted (or, even,
| seriously argued against)....
| Therefore...reasonable deduction....We had a "Medieval Warm Period"
| followed by "The Little Ice Age" ...from which we are still warming back
| up...why "back up"....because
| ...we presently are not yet as warm as we were during the "Medieval Warm
| Period"...therefore there is, at least, a good possibility that we will
| warm back up to that level....NOT absolutely certain, but at least a
| good possibility...
| ...
| What the glob-waams say is "greenhouse gases"..."runaway greenhouse
| effect"....
| ...
| And...they've recently been caught "cooking their data"....and their
| data and conclusions are discredited....
| ...
| But...to hear the broad-mouths...like that guy Jake linked to...you'd
| think it's "scientific consensus".....baLOONEY..!!!! (and I spelled that
| the way I wanted).....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 335) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 11:31:46 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| hhhhhmmmmmm...and....hmmmmm....
|
| http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/011/990ieqmb.a
| http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/011/990ieqmb.a
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 336) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 12:23:11 am 
| URL
|
| x86>
| G: Aye WebServer is still up, and getting regularly accessed so it is useful
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  337) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 2:41:17 am 
|
| X86>
| G: It gets regurlarly trawled by GOOGLE, and apart from the odd blip the las
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  338) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 3:02:34 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....has anyone tried to use these...???
|
| http://www.adr.de/speicherplatz/cs/dosfax.htm
| http://www.adr.de/speicherplatz/cs/dosfax_e.htm
|
| http://www.adr.de/speicherplatz/cs/dosfax.zip
| http://www.adr.de/speicherplatz/cs/fax103.exe
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 339) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 5:10:18 am 
| URL
|
| X86>
| ANYONE have experience of IP TV or similar technologies ? considering that t
| need a browser/player to decode the LAN data.
|
| MS-DOS is an obvious candidate, but will we have to go a Linux Mini Distro, 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  340) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 11:23:33 am 
|
| Jake>
| Why is QV an obvious choice in its current form?
| Are there any DOS players for streaming content?
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  341) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 11:25:13 am 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| Another link for Gregy.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  342) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 11:36:28 am 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| And one for GlennMcC.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  343) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 12:03:45 pm 
| URL
|
| X86>
| Jake:  QuickView is already capable of supporting MPEG4 and many other forma
| streaming that data, but is MS-DOS capable as a single tasking O/S of seamle
|
| MS IPTV in used in the UK for Home Choice's Tv-on-Demand Service AFAIK
| http://www.homechoice.co.uk/tv/tv_ondemand.html
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  344) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 12:41:09 pm 
|
| x86>
| M$ IPTV http://www.microsoft.com/tv/MSTV_Overview.mspx
|
| Linux IPTV http://www.ezhometech.com/index.htm
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  345) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 11:52:53 pm 
|
| gregy>
| x86....yes....DOS, single-tasking, at least on a 100Mhz box, could 
| handle "streaming" over a 56K dialup....I did the timing calcs a long
| time ago....
| ..
| ..but....we have no app that will "pickup" (i.e. "connect to and grab")
| streaming audio, let along audio/video.....
| ..and...
| QuickView, the last time I looked, did not do streaming...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 346) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 12:03:10 am 
|
| gregy>
| Jake...thanks...I'll peruse them.....however...from a cursory scan..
| it doesn't seem they're doing anything more than chewing around on the
| "standard" "scientistic consensus"....i.e. "greenhouse gases (Enhanced
| or Whatnot)....and NEVER even think of looking at the REAL data....
| ...or answering any of the questions about what that data might possibly
| mean...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 347) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 12:20:51 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,     From what I read from Jake's posted links, they don't seem to
| be too dogmatic about things and they seem to admit that it is still
| just scientific speculation.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 348) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 2:40:35 am 
| URL
|
| X86>
| G: I was only speculating wether or not DOS/Aachne/QV could be offered for S
| boards: http://www.ampltd.com/
|
| It would appear that the choice will be down to content providers but would 
| Networked Home.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  349) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 2:42:29 am 
|
| Jake>
| What is the REAL data? How & when is/was it collected and recorded?
|
| Earlier I've mentioned the pop-sci book by Lewis Wolpert (The Unnatural
| Nature of Science) to illustrate that what looks right (like a series of
| horse skeletons) most probably isn't. However, non-scientific societies
| can cobble together working systems for predicting seasonal weather changes 
| Right result (usually), but wrong method.
|
| There's also the runaway +ve feedback scenario which is usually unknown
| until something goes wrong, because big catastrophes require big systems
| which have plenty of controls and/or inertia.
|
| Gregy, re: greenhouse gases, do you deny their effect in a greenhouse?
| Or their existence or what?
|
| Re: scientism. Is there any branch that is "pure", or can you accept
| that there are scientists in all fields who are working honestly and
| diligently? Or is every activity tainted by human greed or other failings?
| (Note to self: greed is good) ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  350) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 4:16:47 am 
|
| Jake>
| Martin, I've just used Google's video search for the first time, and all
| the clips seem to be Flash, with JavaScript required at least for jumping
| to different sections of the clip (I went in with JS "on", so don't know
| whether the whole show relies on JS; it must probably does).
|
| The other day I came across a clip in Apple's new QuickTime format, for
| which there are players in XP and latest Mac flavours only.
|
| For your users not to be too restricted over playable formats you should
| consider the Opera browser in kiosk mode with mainstream OS of choice.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  351) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 7:25:27 am 
| URL
|
| X86>
| Jake:  Thanks Yes it is either Linux Solution or Windows CE, but prefer Linu
|
| http://www.opera.com/products/devices/
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  352) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 2:56:10 pm 
| URL
|
| X86>
| UK Good News http://news.com.com/Microsoft+to+fight+phishers+in+Europe/2100-
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  353) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 4:24:20 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hmmm,
|
| A company which has many times been found guilty of criminal
| activities will now be bringing charges against fellow criminals.
|
| What ever happened to 'honor amongst thieves' ???
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 354) Tue, Mar 21, 2006 - 1:40:22 am 
|
| gregy>
| "Gregy, re: greenhouse gases, do you deny their effect in a greenhouse?
| Or their existence or what?"
|
| Yes...I deny that these gases have ANY effect in a greenhouse...or at
| least any MEASURABLE effect...
| The "greenhouse" effect in greenhouses is caused by the glass, not the
| gases...
|
| "What is the REAL data? How & when is/was it collected and recorded?"
| The REAL data is the temp data collected by satelite...and the data
| collected by balloon, and the temp data collected on the ground...
| ..
| Do you even know what that data is...???  
| 1.  The satelite data show no temp recent increases
| 2.  The balloon data, likewise.
| 3.  The ground-collected data vary, due to differing weather patterns
| from year-to-year..at various locations on the globe...this is what we
| normal humans would expect.
| ...
| ITEM - did you know that temps seemed to rise, somewhat, from about 1900
| to 1945...???  Could this possibly be a "continued" warmup from the
| Little Ice Age (which is usually classed as ending somewhere 1850-1890)
| ..???
| ITEM - did you know that temps seemed to FALL, somewhat, from 1945-1975
| ...(hence the previous panic, from the same bunch of dummies, about 
| "New Global Ice Age"...in the late 60s to early-middle 1970s)...???
| ITEM(s) - did you know that the "scientific concensus" is based upon
| a temp-curve which is AKA "The Hockey Stick"....which curve's author is
| a rabid globwaam, and who vehemently refused to release his computer
| programs and data, until he was recently FORCED to, because he was....
| SURPRISE..!!! ...an acadeeemic-welfare layabout who was/is a longtime
| recipient of government grants, etc....so....he was FINALLY (after about
| 10 years of suits, etc) court-ordered to release...???
| ITEM - did you know that once said programs/data were release, they were
| IMMEDIATELY challenged both as to analytical methodology and data (e.g.
| his data for N.America were based upon ONE...count em...ONE set of pine
| cone samplings from ONE..count 'em...ONE series of N.American trees...
| ...
| hmmmm....if you knew that why did you argue the way you did...???  And
| if you didn't know that...then you've not been reading enough REAL data
| ....<g g g>
| Now, as to the supposed "tipping-point" "runaway-feedback-scenarios"
| ..they have NO scientific basis...and a whole lot of scientific research
| and data to say those "runaways" don't/can't happen....however...you
| NEVER read/hear any of this, do you....???
| ...
| etc, etc, etc...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 355) Tue, Mar 21, 2006 - 2:08:00 am 
|
| gregy>
| Perhaps you've been reading those "just-so stories" the little
| mythological bedtime stories about, "the butterfly beating its widdlow
| wings over the Himalyas causes a hurrican in the Atlantic, yada, yada.."
| ..???
| ..I hope that's not where you're getting your "runaway-etc" scenarios
| from...I mean..the looneys who are promlogating that...???
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 356) Tue, Mar 21, 2006 - 2:36:06 am 
|
| Jake>
| Nope, as stated earlier, I do very little "formal" reading. And, as applied
| in one of your comments to Glenn, that's a cop-out, I know, but it's one
| aspect of the human condition (reading voraciously) that I weaned myself off
|
| This doesn't make me immune from half-heard half-truths but whereas your
| stance is anti-scientist/ism I cannot trust a politician, though I'm trying
| to more recently.
|
| I'll get back to you, earning responsibilities call...
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  357) Tue, Mar 21, 2006 - 3:53:37 am 
|
| gregy>
| yes....take care....
| ...
| oh, I want you do know that my stance is NOT "anti-scientist"...my
| stance IS ant-scientism (aka Church Militant Scientism)...those folks
| do NOT satisfy the universal definition of "scientist"....
| ...
| I mean, any time a "scientista" propounds an hypothesis which is not
| back up the valid data, elevates that un-grounded hypothesis to "theory"
| status by propaganda, refuses to acknowledge the evidence refuting that
| "theory"....and vilifies the opposition with logically falacious 
| statements that they (opposition) are "outside the scientific consensus"
| and other absurdities...while refusing to answer all questions (except
| by an appeal to the imaginary "scientific consensus")....those fellas
| are NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, SCIENTISTS....
| ...sorry...if that grates on you....can't help it....
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 358) Tue, Mar 21, 2006 - 4:58:22 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| hmmmmm
|
| http://oregonmag.com/BagBobMar06.html
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 359) Tue, Mar 21, 2006 - 5:18:28 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/21/health/21beha.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&pagewa
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 360) Tue, Mar 21, 2006 - 5:56:00 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
|
| http://www.sciam.com/print_version.cfm?articleID=000CB565-F330-11BE-AD068341
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 361) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 5:00:43 am 
| URL
|
| X86>
| NEW PC with DR-DOS Installed 
|
| http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=17442243155&action=c2h
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  362) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 1:21:34 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Jake...et al...(anyone who read my couple of recent posts on global
| warming)....I must apologize...not for my arguments, but for my style,
| and my "ad hominum" vituperation of the people who argue that viewpoint
| ...
| I called them "loonies"....I retract that....THEY are NOT loonies (at
| least they do NOT exhibit the personality aspects of lunacy)....their
| IDEAS are looney...
| ...
| I need to NOT demonize them....just refute their ideas...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 363) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 10:42:16 pm 
|
| ray>
| Evenin' Gentlemen,
|
| So little traffic anywhere that I've got lesure to pay a visit.
| What's the hot topic? Global warming again?
|
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 364) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 10:50:08 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ok, Gregy, which is it:
|
| A: There is no global warming or:
|
| B: There is global warming but it isn't caused by man.
|
| Can't deny there's warming and then say "but the warming is due to
| a continuation of the ramp-down from the 'little ice age'"
| Which is it?
|
| I hope the latter, because the former is willful blindness.
| We Canucks just had the warmest winter on record, the Arctic is
| melting, 9 out of 10 of the worlds' glaciers are in retreat,
| the sea level is rising. These are facts my man.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 365) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 11:04:21 pm 
|
| gregy>
| hmmmm...Ray...my previous posts have been clear and concise....
| 1.  There ARE global temperature variations (we have to accept that or
| throw out all the REAL data we have collected over hundreds of years).
| 2.  "Caused by man" is very much NOT validated by the currently held
| REAL data.
| 3.  Said warming may be (and until further data indicates otherwise, is)
| caused by the continued recovery (you say "ramp-down") from "The Little
| Ice Age"...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 366) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 11:11:48 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...we MontanaFolks, just had the coldest FEB-MAR session in living
| memory...<g g g>...so....as I have previously said....regional
| variations to not make a global trend....however...I am firmly agreed
| that global temps MAY be rising (slightly)....the satelite and balloon
| data do not yet indicate that...
| ...
| Oh, but...several glaciers (one I recently read about, in Alaska) are
| GROWING....so....but..he he...I KNOW that we have melted several of our
| famous "MontanaGlacier" right out of existence...ones I went to see and
| view in my youth, are nothing but a terminal moraine and bare rocks,
| now...<g g g>
| ...but...that was happening waaaayyyy back when, in the 50s-60s, too,
| which was why I scoffed and spit upon the late-60s/early-70s global
| paniceers (same bunch as today's) who were screaming, then, "Global
| Winter is Coming..!!!"....
| ...
| Oh, and...some of the Antarctic glaciers are also expanding/thickening
| ...this was reported with the past 6-months...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 367) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 11:14:48 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Oh, BTW....yes, the global temp data indicate warming generally from
| about 1900-1945....but...he he....those same temp data indicated a
| cooling (falling temps) from 1945-1975 (hence those previous early-70s
| alarmist shreaks about "global winter").....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 368) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 11:16:54 pm 
|
| gregy>
| So...I hope that answers you questions....I'd say, "read the previous
| posts."  but...I realize you don't come in here often, and...sometimes
| (horrors!!!!...even me!!!...I don't believe it!!!!)...I fumble the
| communication process and state things in a misunderstandable way...
| ...<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 369) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 12:52:32 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
|
| http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49392
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 370) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 2:23:51 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ok, as long as you agree that temperatures are going up then we
| can discuss it rationaly. For me the data that convince are not so
| much the high tech ones (satelite, balloon etc.) or the aggregate
| ones (all the world's weather station data melted down into one
| number) but the ones that have a built in flywheel and/or  a built in
| globalizing effect -- mostly Antarctic ice measurements for the former
| and sea level for the latter. Especial sea level, that doesn't 
| involve any theorizing or computer modeling and it tells an
| irrefutable tale: the global ice supply is dwindeling. Also, 
| the Greenland icecap measurements tell an accurate sorry about the
| climate going back thousands of years and they seem to indicate 
| that the current warming is a notable anomaly.
|
| As to 'man made' sure, the proof isn't yet absolute, OTOH it
| seems compelling. Besides it stands to reason that G gasses would
| do *something* -- it would be rather strange if the increase in
| CO2 levels didn't do nuttin' wouldn't it? And since it is a fact
| of physics that CO2 is opaque to IR radiation, it seems to me
| that the basic premise of the models is sound.
|
| Finaly, in a world where few tell the truth and most claims are
| meant to further some adjenda or other, I'm disinclined to believe
| the lobbyists of the oil, gas and coal people that we have nothing
| to be worried about. It seems to me that the tenured proffesors who
| 'believe' in GW have little to gain by making all this stuff up.
| Heck on 60 minutes last week a big wheel at NASA said we'd better
| take some notice of this.
|
| One thing I won't do is put my head in the sand and say there's no
| cause for consern. We may have GW wrong, but I'd say we'd also better
| keep studying it.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 371) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 2:29:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW, nice article there. Belive it or not, up here in Canistan
| I'm considered rather rightwing in my views -- which makes
| me a flamming commie by American standards ;-))))))
|
| OH I hokkeyed this board (Ctrl+F10) so I'll be around a bit more ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 372) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 3:24:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Fact: In the Northern Hem. the increase is greater than in the Southern Hem.
|
| Fact: In some areas (both NH and SH), there has been a marked increase in te
|
| Fact: In some areas (both NH and SH), there has been a marked decrease in te
|
| Fact: The average globla mean temp has increased 0.06 degree C during
| the past 123 years
|
| Fact: There exists not one shred of unequivicable proof as to what has
|       caused any of the increases or decreases.
|
| Fact: There is only one statement that anyone can make concerning
|       _any_ aspect of what controlls our climate and what cuases our
|       climate to change.
|
| That statement is......... "We don't know."
|
| Anyone who _claims_ to know unequivically ... is FOS.
|
| <gggg>
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 373) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 3:29:07 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Fact: 10,000 years ago, there was a glacier right here where I'm sitting.
|
| Thank GOD it warmed-up and that damn thing ain't here no more. :))
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 374) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 3:30:48 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/global_warming/
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 375) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 3:32:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And sorry, had my dec. point in the wrong place in post 372
|
| Over the past century, global measurements of the temperature at the
| Earth's surface have indicated a warming trend of between 0.3 and
| 0.6 degrees C.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 376) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 3:38:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now, since the highest temp ever recorded at the south pole was -32 deg C
|
| And assuming a continuation of that high figure of 0.6 deg/100yrs
|
| The first melting of ice at the south pole will occur about 5,300 years from
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 377) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 3:43:54 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh yeah, BTW....
|
| I suppose that the "global warming" that happend thiousands of years ago
| that melted that glacier that was right here in NE Ohio was due to the
| cave men burning too many camp fires for cooking their mastadon dinners
| which then put too high a level of green house gasses into upper
| atmosphere and caused global warming.
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 378) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 3:47:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: "....since it is a fact of physics that CO2 is opaque to IR radiation,..
|
| Hmmm, just a thought........
|
| Would not a blocking of IR from the sun cause a _decrease_ in temp ?
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 379) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 3:48:33 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Therefore....... increased CO2 == global winter.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 380) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 3:51:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: " It seems to me that the tenured proffesors who 'believe' in GW
|       have little to gain by making all this stuff up."
|
| Hmmm, just a thought.....
|
| How about another 500 millon dollar government grant to do further studies. 
|
| That seems like quite a BIG gain to me.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 381) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:09:40 pm 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| I thought orbital shifts were an explanation for ice ages.
|
| Here's another... <URL>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  382) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:11:30 pm 
|
| Jake>
| And the more recent threat of another ice age was due to increased
| sulphur compounds in the atmosphere, which have since been brought
| under control.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  383) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:31:28 pm 
|
| Jake>
| Gregy's post #354: "And if you didn't know that...then you've not been
| reading enough REAL data"
|
| Yup, cop-out, I leave that to the scientists. Along with looking for a
| cure for cancer, which no doubt also attracts a large number of welfare
| recipient type scientists. And I leave the armed forces to fight my battles,
| and I'm sure you know what fun it is to be provided with big toys to
| play with at the taxpayer's expense <G-G-G-G>
|
| Meanwhile there's a Govt ad running on UK TV asking people to snitch on
| sole traders who offer a discount for not charging VAT yet where's the
| mechanism for an ordinary bloke to haul his political masters over the
| coals?  
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   384) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:42:26 pm 
|
| Jake>
| #365 REAL data we have collected over hundreds of years
|
| Is that data better than currently collected data?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  385) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 5:09:40 pm 
|
| Eric>
| CBS had something on Greenland Glaciers tonight at 18:40 EST here.
| I missed it 'cause I came in here to write this and got occupied.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 386) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 5:11:01 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| I agree with every one of your facts in 372, but would you say that the
| 'fact' that we can't prove beyond doubt why the climate is changing
| is cause for complete indiference?
|
| Myself I'd say that that's like a doctor saying: "I don't know why
| your temperature is climbing, so let's jut ignore it, you might
| not realy be sick".
|
| As to the south pole, granted, but the Arctic is melting so fast that
| is almost hard to believe; I've seen the pictures myself.
|
| As to CO2 opacity, your comment is part of the theorectical basis
| of the 'model', but you've got it backwards -- since most of the
| suns radiation hits the earth as visible light, it gets through, but
| since most of the earth's re-radiation is IR, it is blocked, ergo
| the overall greenhouse effect.  That's the theory anyway, and it
| sure works on Venus!
|
| As to grants, OK no one is immune to corruption, but if I had to
| bet, I'd say the proffesor is more likely to be telling the truth than
| the lobbiest who is out and out purchased by the industry.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 387) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 5:13:32 pm 
|
| ray>
| Jake,
|
| That's a cool (no pun) theory, I've heard it before but I can't 
| go with it.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 388) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 6:37:09 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Good analogy Ray.
|
| Now let's take a closer look at human body temp vs global climate temp.
|
| Would you consider an average increase of 0.6 deg C per 100years
| to be something to get alarmed about ?
|
| In other words.... when you were born your average body temp was
| 37C (98.6F) and at age 50 it reached 37.3C (99.14F)
|
| And by age 100 it reaches 37.6C (99.68F)
|
| Are you ill and need medical attension ?
|
| Or this simply a matter of you having a faster metabolism as you grow older 
|
| Let's say that as the eons pass it becomes common-place for average
| human body temp to be 100F
|
| Should we be alarmed at this warming trend ?
|
| Or should we simply understand that humans (like all things in nature),
| change as time passes ?
|
| Should we be alarmed that average human male hieght is now about 72
| inches compared to only 63 inches 1,000 years ago ?
|
| Do you remeber that Sir Gawain of the knights of the round table was
| considered to be a 'giant' ?
|
| Did you know that he was 68 inches tall ?
|
| Goliath was 72 inches compared to David's hieght of 60.
|
| I am 2 inches taller than Sir Gawain
| and only 2 inches shorter than Goliath.
|
| Should we be alarmed that the human race is becoming a 'race of giants'
| and start taking measures to reverse this alarming trend ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 389) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 6:43:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:"That's the theory anyway, and it sure works on Venus!"
|
|
| How do we know it does ?
|
| Readings taken by one automated Venus landing probe that very-well could
| be sending false readings due to being damaged during its decent to the
| surface.
|
| Hardly valid data. <gggg>
|
| In addition.... just for the sake of argument let's say that the
| readings are 100% correct.
|
| Simply because the readings show a higher temp than was previously
| thoerised doen not mean that 'the green haose effect' is in play.
|
| It could simply mean that the previous theory was wrong.
|
| Again I state......
|
| Fact: There is only one statement that anyone can make concerning
|       _any_ aspect of what controlls our climate and what cuases our
|       climate to change.
| That statement is......... "We don't know."
| Anyone who _claims_ to know unequivically ... is FOS.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 390) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 7:02:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:" I'd say the proffesor is more likely to be telling the truth than
| the lobbiest who is out and out purchased by the industry."
|
|
| FYI,
|
| Government grants for 'reseach projects' are a much bigger 'industry' than o
|
| Research grants have even bigger proffits than oil.
|
| 180 million dollars for putting together info about the effects upon the
| environment as the result of cow farts is a pretty big incentive to
| 'fudge' the data so that you can get another grant to study the effects
| of deer farts.
|
| <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 391) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 9:53:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| Your analysis of my temperature analogy is a bit flawed. Humans 
| rarely live over 100 years but the planet is a bit older. .6C/100
| years over a millenium is 6C which would almost surely ruin the
| planet.
|
| As to Venus, it's much higher temp than Earth's is almost
| certainly due to the greenhouse effect of it's very thick atmosphere.
| One can run from science, but one can't hide for ever.
|
| As to the grants, it seems to me that scientists, over the centuries,
| have given us a fair body of useful knowledge and speaking for
| myself, I'll give them my qualified trust over industry lobbiests
| any day studies of dear farts notwithstanding.
|
| Putting the shoe on the other foot, ok, we don't know beyond doubt
| that man is responcible for the current global warming, but would
| you say it is possible? Do you know beyond doubt that we *aren't*
| responsible? And, to repeat, do you think we should stop studying
| the issue and just rely on coal industry assurances that we have 
| no cause for consern?
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 392) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 10:00:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:" Humans rarely live over 100 years...
|
| Hmmmm.
|
| My grandfather is still going strong and he'll be 96 on Aug 9th
|
| He is the 10th male in my family to live past 90 during this century.
|
| Average life expectancy is expected to be 100 by the year 2010
|
| re:" .6C/100 years over a millenium is 6C which would almost
|      surely ruin the planet."
|
| Hmm.... average global temp _is_ 50C warmer than it was 25,000 years ago.
|
| Are we living on a 'ruined planet' because of it ?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 393) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 10:05:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:"As to Venus, it's much higher temp than Earth's is almost
| certainly due to the greenhouse effect of it's very thick atmosphere.
|
|
| Hmm...
| Couldn't possibly have anything to due with the fact that it is about
| 70 million miles closer to the sun.  ????
|
|
| re:"One can run from science, but one can't hide for ever."
|
| Unlike those who _claim_ to be following scientific procedure....
|
| I do _not_ hide from science.
|
| I use scientific proof to make any claim I make.
|
| There is only one claim that I make concerning 'global warming'
|
| "I don't know."
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 394) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 10:16:41 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to whether or not there is cause for concern.
|
| "I don't know."
|
| <ggggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 395) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 10:30:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Sorry... mis-spoke again. ....
| Venus is _only_ 26 million miles closer to the sun.
|
| Venus == 67 million mi. from the sun.
|
| Earth == 93 million mi. from the sun.
|
| Mars == 142 million mi. from the sun.
|
| Pluto == 3,699 million mi. from the sun.
|
| But the main point is....
| 26 million miles closer == one hell of a lot hotter.
|
| As is evidenced by the fact that Mars is one hell of alot colder being
| 49 million miles further from the sun.
|
| And Pluto she be _really cold_ at over 3 billion miles further away.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 396) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 10:34:22 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But I suppose I could be mistaken.
|
| _If_ pluto had a higher concentration of green house gases in its atmospere.
|
| Perhaps it might be a good place to go for a summer vacation.
|
| <ggggggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 397) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 10:47:33 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now don't get me wrong.
|
| I do not by any means deny that the levels of various gases in the
| atmosphere have an effect upon tempurature.
|
| Quite the contrary... They most certainly _do_ effect it.
|
| Again, thios is evidenced by the drastic temp variance between the dark
| and light sides of the moon.
|
| The moon has no atmosphere.
|
| The dark side loses heet so quickly and so drastically that the temps
| drop to sub zero in a matter of minutes.
|
| However.... that same lack of atmosphere also causes the light side of
| the moon to increase in temp to the point where it would boil your
| blood in a matter of minutes.
|
| This supports my earlier point of CO2 in the atmosphere helping to block
| radiation from the sun that would other-wise increase the temp.
|
| So.... CO2 blocks an increase in temp and at the same time prevents the
| loss of temp to outer space.
|
| Less CO2 == more heat from the sun.
|
| More CO2 == less heat lost to outspace.
|
|
| a-b=c
|
| a=1
| b=1
| c=0
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 398) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 2:13:11 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...386
|
| "...the overall greenhouse effect.  That's the theory anyway, and it
| sure works on Venus!"
|
| I KNEW this was gonna come in, before this discussion was over...!!!
| ...
| WRONG...!!!!.....THAT is "Sagan'sHoax".....he just HAD to refute old
| Velikovsky....about "Venus is HOT"....that he constructed this scam
| out of hole-cloth...and...because the ChurchScientism was SO aggin old
| Velikovsky (he was trying to bring back ...THE BIBLE...HORRORS...!!!)
| that they promlogated all manner of personal attacks and deliberate
| anti-science flake-theories as FACT....
| ...
| He he...you've been propagandized, too....<g g g>
| ...
| FACT -- Venus gives off heat...period..!!!.....before the VenusProbes,
| the absolute HIGHEST temp anyone EVER tried to claim for Venus was 135
| Cdegrees (might have been Fdegrees...it's been a long time since I went
| over that data)....then....Velikovsky came along and claimed Venus was
| HOT....(it matters NOT whatever reason he claimed this...or whether or
| not I agree with him)....he claimed it was HOT..it gave off HEAT....well
| "they" (mostly Harlow Shapeley, Harold Urey, etc ole ChurchMilitantists
| et al) jumped on Velikovsky and resolutely "refuted" him....NO..NO..
| Venus could NOT be "hot"...etc, blah, blah, blah.......
| ...
| Then.....ha ha ha ha ha.....the probes posted a temp for Venus of OVER
| 800 Cdegrees.....and...HEY..!!!...nellie bar the door...scientism is 
| about to take a fall...
| ...
| Well, along comes a scamming (proven, no argument about this...or I'll
| embarrass you) protoge' of Harold Urey's....named Sagan....and HE would
| carry the spear...and fight off Velikovsky and his minions....<g g g>
| ..
| So...what'd he do.....proposed the "Runaway Greenhouse Effect" as the
| cause for Venus' high heat.....but...sorry...REAL science has refuted
| that...but...you don't hear about that...do you...??
| ...
| Why....because the M(ain)L(eft)S(tream)M(edia) is ALL secularist and
| THEY will brook NO challenges to lyellian-uniformatarian-darwinianism
| so...they hadda jump on board and plump up Sagan at every chance...and
| they did.....
| ...
| However....while they were knocking nasty old Velikovsky down...a quiet
| little acadeeemic backstabbing battle occurred behind the scenes and
| ZOUNDS..!!!!....the Alvarezes managed to get their theory of dinosaur
| extinction accepted (of course, they shoved it waaaayyyyy back to 65
| million years ago...so it was more palatable to the scientismists)..
| ...their dino-extinction theory was HORRORS!!!! ...a giant meteor strike
| ...right on planet earth........
| ...well...most of the "establishment" scientismists were/are so stupid
| as to miss the FACT that...if giant-meteor-dino-extinction is true (no
| matter WHEN it happened)....pooofff...!!!!....lyellianism-uniformatarian
| -ism vanishes like a puff of smoke (or like the smelly intestinal gas
| that it originally was)...
| ...
| Results...today...do NOT use the "runaway greenhouse gas caused Venus'
| heat" argument.....you will be shot down...
| ...
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 399) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 2:31:08 am 
|
| gregy>
| Jake...381/382.....no..."they" deny that there has been ANY orbital
| shifts...that would refute lyellian-uniformatarianism....
| ....
| And..there's no scientific evidence (right up front, I mean) that the
| earth's orbit has changed.....I do NOT deny that that has happened..but
| ..BUT...what "they" call "hard science" has NO data to make the claim
| that the earth's orbit has changed.
| ...
| Sulfur...again..."they" claimed (without a shread of REAL data) that
| that was causing the "global cooling"...1945-1975....and...if you check
| the DATA...you'll find that their "sulfur-figures" (when you can get one
| of them to take any....after all...they don't want those figures to be
| noticed, because...surPRISE..!!!!...the temps seem to be rising..so we
| doan wanna mention any inconvenient little facts..like sulfur, etc)...
| ...but...you'll find that their "sulfur-figures" are STILL rising...they
| haven't "taken care" of that....he he he he he....I mean...these jerks
| are stuffin' fingers in the dikes all over the place..but..their flakey
| theories/piled-upon-theories....keep breakin' thru their levees..<g g g>
| ...
| And...hey...the temps "started up again" after 1975...right..??? I mean,
| according to "some" data...I mean...according to the "greenhouse-gasser"
| theory...that little ole theory that we're arguing about, here...right
| ...??
| ...
| Well....I propose that the "temp increase" (aka global-warming) is
| caused by.....hold your hat....here it comes.....caused by the fact
| (that "they" all ballyho as a GREAT triumph)...the fact that "they" 
| caused the level of high-atmospheric ozone to go back up by banning 
| CFCs.....he he he he...and there's JUST as MUCH valid data to prove "my"
| little theory as there is for "their" little theory...
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================| ============================================================================
|
| 400) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 2:40:47 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray....391....WRONG...still and always...ha ha ha...there's the
| SaganHoax, again.....<g g g>....
| ...reread what you said, "..the THICK clouds...".....he he he...yeah,
| that's what Sagan-mouthed...but...again....REAL scientists refuted him.
| ...there's NO way that UV is pennitrating that cloud cover....and...
| Glenn....contrary to your post....there were numerous probes that landed
| in good condition and sent back a lot of GOOD data...one datum being
| that it is VERY dark on the surface of Venus...they catagorized the
| light down inside there as "ashen-light"...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 401) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 2:47:01 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...I'm sorry...you're doing such a bang-up job...but...I hafta
| disagree with you about the "proposed effect" of CO2....as far as we
| can tell...it blocks only IR...not UV.....since most of the sun's heat
| reaching earth is in UV form...I'd suspect..and propose...minimal
| blocking of that UV by the CO2...
| ...
| What DOES block UV is CLOUDS.....the thicker the better....<g g g>
| ..
| Those same clouds that Ray claims are causing the "runaway greenhouse
| effect" on Venus.....<g g g g>.....ha ha ha ha ha....Sagan sure has
| a heap to answer for in Dante's Inferno.....<g g g g>
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 402) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 2:52:59 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray....you need..I mean NEED to buy/bet Bjorn Lomborg's book, "The
| Sceptical Environmentalist"....and read his data/analysis/arguments
| ...then you can make some, "...should we take a chance..." type
| statements/questions....until you read that book, you cannot argue about
| the "effects"...perhapses....is the "environ-bationist" community at all
| self-agrandizing...etc....
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 403) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 3:13:46 am 
|
| gregy>
| What we KNOW....
| 1.  The temp data slightly seems to indicate that temps are very
| slightly rising, 1975-present.
| 2.  The same data slightly seems to indicate that temps were very
| slightly falling, 1945-1975.
| 3.  The same data slightly seems to indicate that temps were very
| slightly rising, 1900-1945.
| 4.  These are VERY slight temp risings/fallings....
| 5.  We have very good historical data showing that there WAS a "Little
| Ice Age" approx. 1400-1870.
| 6.  We have very good historical data showing that there WAS a "Medieval
| Warm Period" approx. 600-1300.
| 7.  There are a host of explanations for these temp variations.  None
| of them have any REAL scientific data to verify them.
| 8.  The current glob-waam hysteria is just that.  We do NOT know what,
| if any, effect increased CO2 and other so-called "greenhouse" gases)
| have had/have/will have on the earth's overall temperature.
| 9.  Whatever the effect of varying "greenhouse" gases levels might be,
| we have NO data on where that gas is being generated/coming from...I
| mean...the hysteria says "man's the baddy"..but...there is NO evidence
| (for or against) that proposition....it's just an accusation...has NO
| data backing it up.
| 10.  As far as "disinterested scientists" go....where they truely ARE
| disinterested...as in Bjorn Lomborg's case...they may be accorded due
| weight for their hypothesize....but....the glob-waam-enviro-bationists"
| have NO credability....not after their attempted scam with their "hockey
| stick" curve, the programs running to analyze/project it, and the data
| on which it was based.....ALL of which were FINALLY debunked just this
| last year...after causing numerous lawsuits to force their author to
| divulge them.....and this is a guy who was "fully-funded" by government
| to do his work....then he tries to keep it hidden, just so it couldn't
| BE refuted....but...hey....it finally came out....and....now he/they
| (they, because all his cohorts fully supported/defended him) is/are
| totally discredited.....I mean...you go ahead an keep on believing folks
| who've been proven to have lied to you....go ahead....if you want to..
| I prefer to distrust them forever, and ever, amen.....<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 404) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 4:04:38 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| an example of a "disinterested scientist"....sure....
|
| http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/23/112725.shtml
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 405) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 7:13:19 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| So much for this B.S. ... huh, Ray ? <gggg>
|
| "Heck on 60 minutes last week a big wheel at NASA said we'd better
| take some notice of this."
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 406) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 7:14:51 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gregy,
|
| re:"..he he he he...and there's JUST as MUCH valid data to prove "my"
| little theory as there is for "their" little theory..."
|
|
|
| hehehe ... the same holds true for _my_ little CO2 theory. <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 407) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 4:03:24 pm 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| #403 10. Lomborg may be promoted as disinterested by the interested.
| Which is good if people are encouraged to inquire and think, but bad
| if he is dismissed for already having blotted his copybook, by the
| company (and funding) he keeps.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  408) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 4:04:42 pm 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| Data... data.... and more data. Unfortunatley, it all seems to be
| PowerPointPresentation format.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  409) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 8:04:37 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Jake...what's with this "data..data"...you don't read, remember...???
| <g g g g>
| ...oh, well..then....after all it's in PPPformat, so you can't read it,
| anyway....<gg g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 410) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 9:16:21 am 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| More latter, but the article you URL'd, stripped of it's muck raking
| seems to still contain a few facts: 
|
| -The doctor did/does not support Bush. 
| -The doctor accepted .25 M from Kerry's wife.
|
| Ok, so you are saying that any scientist who accepts money to
| further his research from a political source which is inclined
| to see the merit in his research is a scoundrel? And, if he
| is inclined to support the same people who support him that's
| a problem?
|
| So scientists, then, should only accept money from people who
| do *not* support their views? And if they accept money from 
| A they are then obliged, politicaly, to support B?
|
| And does it work for Republicans too? I mean if a scientist who
| does not believe in GW recieves money from anyone who also does
| not believe in GW, is that scientist also, automaticaly a whore?
| And are only those GW denying scientists who are Democrats to be
| listened to?
|
| What a sad state we are in. Difficult scientific questions are 
| settled, not with data and respect for the integrity of all
| conserned, but with inuendo and shit slinging. This isn't 
| thinking at all, it's just agenda driven, emotion befuddled, 
| Taliban style, mideval minded, ninny whitted, goodhink.
| The whitch burners of the 30 years war would weep.
|
| As Murray said: "Good night and good luck"
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 411) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 2:49:46 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| re:"Ok, so you are saying that any scientist who accepts money to
| further his research from a political source which is inclined
| to see the merit in his research is a scoundrel? And, if he
| is inclined to support the same people who support him that's
| a problem?"
|
| Nope.... that's what _you_ just said.... I said nothing of the sort.
|
| What I _am_ saying is that there is no difference between the 'lobiest'
| attempting to pass-off missinformation for monetary gain and the
| 'scientist' attempting to pass-off misinformation for monetary gain.
|
| Both are doing the same thing... for the same reason.... money.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 412) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 2:54:16 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:"What a sad state we are in. Difficult scientific questions are 
| settled, not with data and respect for the integrity of all
| conserned, but with inuendo and shit slinging. This isn't 
| thinking at all, it's just agenda driven, emotion befuddled, 
| Taliban style, mideval minded, ninny whitted, goodhink."
|
| Ah ha !!!!!
|
| _Now_ you got it.
|
| That is 100% correct.
|
| Side 1) money to gain from corprate proffits.
| Side 2) money to gain from government research grants.
|
|
| There is no justifiable reason to put any validity in either side of the arg
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 413) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 7:57:37 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...I think Glenn stated it pretty clearly for both of us in his last
| two posts....
| ...however....I don't (and I don't think he is) subscribe to the notion
| that, therefore "we can't know anything".....
| ..
| That isn't true....we can get a pretty clear idea of what's what (as
| long as we keep in our mind the caveat that "things might change" as
| we get more/better data)...from looking at the data and winnowing out
| the stuff that is/is reported/seems flakey....
| ..
| Unreliable,suspect sources are always ever after going to be suspected
| as unreliable...only if their data/assertions are verified from another
| more reliable source should their new data have credibility..
| ...
| Problem, here, is that "they (aka globwaams)" have hyped this whole
| issue into screaming-panic mode....and deliberately misinformed ordinary
| people....so that (fill in the blank...they have lots of reasons)..etc
| ...
| These people have claimed something that is not verified by most of the
| data....and have hyped it into "their" cause...for which they DO get
| lotsa money, and are schreeching for even magnitudes more..
| ..all without any "sensible" data backing up their case...
| 1.  Yes...the global climate does seem to be warming, slightly.
| 2.  Yes...we know that, probably, man-generated CO2 is getting into the
| atmosphere
| 3.  No...we do NOT know if that slight warming is a long-term trend, or
| just a bounce in the curve.
| 4.  No...we do NOT know how much man-generated CO2 is getting into the
| atmosphere (as a percentage of the existing CO2 already there).
| 5.  No...we do NOT know what effect any additional CO2 may be having or
| will have on the global climate.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 414) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 8:17:46 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ditto all the way around.
|
| I agree 100%
|
| Therefore I re-itterate my assertion.........
|
| "I don't know" ... and any who claims that they do know... is FOS.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 415) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 11:45:06 pm 
| URL
|
| X86>
| DOS AUDIO DRIVER
|
| http://www.scitechsoft.com/ftp/snap/dos/
|
| AC97 Controllers
| ATI SB200, SB300, SB400
| Intel ICH2, ICH3, ICH4, ICH5, ICH6
| nVidia nForce, nForce2, nForce3
|
| HDA Controllers
| ATI SB450
| Intel ICH6, ICH7
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 416) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 6:45:48 pm 
|
| gregy>
| x86....thanks....grabbed it....<g>
| ..
| NOTE - I ran the .EXE and it installed itself...read the readme...and
| test ran the proggys....
| 1.  down the dir-chain (i.e. x:\SNAP\DRIVERS\Yada\Yada\) is a .LOG file
| ...after you run the AAREPORT prog...it will have some info in there
| about the check it did on you system...
| 2.  My .LOG showed that it checked thru all the various PCI-bus
| locations (seemed to do  thorough job, too) and then "...not found,
| assume ISA."
| 3.  Therefore...if you have (like me) SB-card in ISA slot...it doesn't
| recognize/use that card..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 417) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 9:26:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Well ok. Tho I'd be happier if you left the ad hominems out 
| completely, I'm sure that many if not most 'globwams' hold their
| views honestly and I will always take that perspective, since
| the ad hominem seems more like an attempt to avoid honest 
| discussion than a proper conclusion to such an argument. I extend
| the same courtesy to 'the skeptical evnironmentalist' too -- I 
| am inclined to believe that his motives are genuine. We'll get
| more science done with that attitude, IMO than with the endless
| mud slinging. As for the charlatans and mercenaries on both sides,
| I say 'let the data speak'.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 418) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 10:03:40 pm 
|
| X86>
| gregy: the audio driver is for later AC97 on-board sound chips
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  419) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 10:49:04 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
|
| http://www.palmbeachpost.com/central/content/local_news/epaper/2006/03/26/03
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 420) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 10:56:32 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| Ray....hhhmmmm..."...I say 'let the data speak'...."  The problem is
| that they are crooks.....now...you wouldn't want us to treat crooks
| with "respect"...would you....???
| ...
| Perpetrating a fraud is a crime...the "environ-bationists" have done
| just this for over 40 years, now....and have gotten away with it because
| of the fraudulent manipulation/assistance of the M(ain)L(eft)S(tream)
| M(edia)...MLSM....
| ...
| THEY are all for prosecuting all the "conservative crooks"...but..they
| never wanna even mention all the "progressive crooks/murders"...
| ...beginning with their great buddy...ole "Uncle Joe" Stalin, et al...
| .....
| They will not be pounding any drums for even cracking back on these
| environ-bates...or publishing the truth about their frauds, lies, and
| scams....
| ...
| So, you go ahead and be squishy....I'm not gonna be....and I'm right..!!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 421) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 10:58:13 pm 
|
| gregy>
| x86....yes...that may be so...but...did you LOOK at the AUDIO.LOG I
| cited...???
| ...
| You'll see it searching for "PCI" devices...now, those onboard chips
| may be (probably are)...but...I only reported what I saw/read...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 422) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 1:39:00 am 
|
| X86>
| gregy: The on-board sound chips are connected to the PCI Bus and therefore t
| not differentiate between wether the sound chip is on the card or soldered t
| hence why it reports PCI Bus searching.  The ISA bus is seperate and this so
| search the ISA Bus
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  423) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 3:08:25 am 
|
| gregy>
| Yes...that's what I found when I inspected the AUDIO.LOG....it "assumed
| ISA" and left it alone.....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 424) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 4:01:07 am 
|
| X86>
| Gregy: My log states I have a 1000mhz CPU, it is actually 2000mhz!
|
| End user evaluation license found (21 days remaining)
|
| 1.0 GHz AMD Athlon processor with MMX(R), 3DNow!(R), SSE(R)
|
| Displaying enumeration of PCI bus (14 devices, 1 audio devices)
|   Audio device 0 is PCI device 2
|
| Bus Slot Fnc DeviceID  SubSystem Rev Class IRQ Base10h  Base14h  Cmd
|  0    0   0  1002:CAB0 0000:0000 13  06:00 00  D4000008 D0400008 0006   
|  0    1   0  1002:700F 0000:0000 01  06:04 FF  00000000 00000000 0007   
|  0    4   0  10B9:5451 161F:2028 02  04:01 0B  00008401 D0006000 0003   <- 0
|  0    7   0  10B9:1533 10B9:1533 00  06:01 00  00000000 00000000 000F   
|  0    8   0  10B9:5457 161F:2027 00  07:03 0B  D0007000 00008801 0003   
|  0   10   0  104C:AC41 0000:0000 02  06:07 FF  FFBFE000 020000A0 0007   
|  0   10   1  104C:8017 161F:2028 02  0C:00 0B  D000A000 D0000000 0012   
|  0   11   0  10EC:8139 161F:2028 10  02:00 0B  00008C01 D000A800 0003   
|  0   12   0  1814:0101 1462:6827 00  02:80 0B  D0004000 00000000 0013   
|  0   16   0  10B9:5229 161F:2028 C4  01:01 00  00000000 00000000 0005   
|  0   17   0  10B9:7101 161F:2028 00  06:80 00  00000000 00000000 0000   
|  0   19   0  1033:0035 161F:2028 43  0C:03 0A  D0008000 00000000 0016   
|  0   19   2  1033:00E0 161F:2028 04  0C:03 FF  D000AC00 00000000 0016   
|  1    5   0  1002:4336 161F:2028 00  03:00 0B  E0000008 00009001 0287   
|
| DeviceID  Stat Ifc Cch Lat Hdr BIST Int Base18h  Base1Ch  Base20h  Base24h  
| 1002:CAB0 2230  00  00  40  00  00  00  00008091 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 1002:700F 0220  00  00  63  01  00  00  44010100 62209191 D010D010 EFF0E000 
| 10B9:5451 C290  00  00  40  00  00  01  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 10B9:1533 0210  00  00  00  00  00  00  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 10B9:5457 0290  00  00  40  00  00  01  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 104C:AC41 0210  00  00  20  82  00  01  00020200 FFBFD000 FFBFD000 FBBFD000 
| 104C:8017 0210  10  10  40  80  00  02  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 10EC:8139 0290  00  00  40  00  00  01  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 1814:0101 0410  00  10  40  00  00  01  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 10B9:5229 0290  FA  00  20  00  00  01  00000000 00000000 00008081 00000000 
| 10B9:7101 0200  00  00  00  00  00  00  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 1033:0035 0210  10  10  40  80  00  01  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 1033:00E0 0210  20  10  84  00  00  03  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 1002:4336 02B0  00  10  42  00  00  01  D0100000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
|
| DeviceID  BAR10Len BAR14Len BAR18Len BAR1CLen BAR20Len BAR24Len ROMLen
| 1002:CAB0 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 1002:700F 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 10B9:5451 00000000 00001000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 <- 
| 10B9:1533 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 10B9:5457 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 104C:AC41 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 104C:8017 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 10EC:8139 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 1814:0101 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 10B9:5229 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 10B9:7101 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 1033:0035 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 1033:00E0 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
| 1002:4336 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
|
| AA_enumerateDevices: Found 1 PCI audio devices
|
| Supported hardware not found!
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  425) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 4:52:31 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| re:"I say 'let the data speak'."
|
| I agree 100%
|
| That's why I put-up this page....
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/global_warming/
|
| Tons of data that can speak for itself.
|
| No mud-slinging... just the data.
|
| In-fact, on one of those pages from NASA there is a link which says....
| "see the data for yourself"
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 426) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 4:39:44 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Yeah, but I prefer to erre ear arre ere er err ... yup its 'err'
| on the side of respect. The fact that someone disagrees with me
| in not proof that he's a crook. I have friends that are
| fundamentalist Right wingers and others who are fundamentalist
| Left wingers. Just as you seem to believe that people on the left
| are all part of a Great Conspiracy to take over the world and 
| turn it into a living hell, so my left wing friends think that
| people on the right are all part of a Great Conspiracy to take over
| the world an turn it into a living hell. I dispare of democracy 
| when this sort of polarization is taking place. When the two
| ends of the stick can't respect the other it seems to me that
| totalitarianism is just around the corner, and frankly I'll be
| just as unhappy regardless of which side wins.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 427) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 4:40:50 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Will check that out.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 428) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 5:58:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The major problem is that those of 'in the middle of the stick' are at
| the mercy of that at both ends.
|
| From what I have seen through the years..... both ends are
| 'totalitarinist' just of a slightly different type from each other.
|
| 'Left wing totalitarinism' is just as bas as 'Right wing totalitarinism'.
|
| Both types of extreemists _do_ believe in 100% governmental controll
| over 'the masses'.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 429) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 9:43:18 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...I'll gladly wear the label "extremist" for calling Stalin a cold
| blooded mass murderer...and all his ilk....and his fellowtraveler
| sycophants and apologists as "accessories before, during and after the
| fact...
| ...sorry....
| ..
| There's no excuse for pussy-footing around with those folks...they'd
| have buried us in a "socialist" (read "communist") hell long ago...with
| their appeasement, apologizing and abetting...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 430) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 9:47:08 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ..and I'll call an enviro-crook a crook...no need to be "nice" about it
| ...they don't deserve it, either....they've either actively or passively
| and approvingly murdered approximately 20million people worldwide in 
| the past 30-40 years...so...don't give me, "they just differ in opinion
| from you, so you're a totalitarian for opposing them and not talking
| nice to them."....hogwash..!!!!!!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 431) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 9:48:33 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....Re:  CDRoast...I moved that thread over to my TEST...and put
| a small progress report up there for you to peruse...<g g g>
|
| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/brd/test/tindex.php
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 432) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 10:33:38 pm 
| URL
|
| X86>
| gregy: IF CDRoast is causing problems due to lack of developement, have you 
| CDRecord ??  http://www.paehl.com/open_source/?CDRTOOLS_with_DVD_Support
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   433) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 10:37:16 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| With you 100% there. 
|
| Gregy,
|
| No need to pussy foot around when we're talking about Stalin, that's
| for sure, but is it fair to say that every scientist who is
| concerned about GW is in the same league? Tell me, do you think
| it's possible that you could be wrong? Possible, that is, just
| possible. Or is your expertese in the field of climatology so
| complete that you can claim to KNOW that no matter how much CO2
| we pump into the atmosphere, there is zero chance of any negative
| effects? It's one thing to claim that the science is as yet
| incomplete, that's quite correct. It's another thing to say that
| we *know* that GW is hogwash or to say that we *know* GW is man made.
| I'm with Glenn there. Would you say that it might be prudent to
| study the matter more closely? 
|
| BTW, nice colection of pages Glenn, as you said, sober stuff, no
| mud slinging, good data, honest coments about the difficulties with
| the current model. Most of the scientists I've heard speak about GW
| seem to be of that school -- they think we are causing GW, but they
| also admit that things are far from nailed down. They advocate
| a cautious aproach and further study given the potential catastrophy
| if the worst predictions turned out to be true. Sounds fine to me.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 434) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 10:40:56 pm 
| URL
|
| X86>
| ANYONE:  Over the last year or so COMPUTING.NET's DOS Forum has undergone ma
| this year many Windows Posts are being allowed, I have a colleague who has b
| it seems that lately the Board Admin will not pull posts and it is again bec
| Text on Black Background Forum.  I have thrown in the towel and seriously co
| my own forum so I can yank any non-standalone DOS postings.  I have been cal
| considering that COMPUSERVE's Vintage Computing Forum has also gone down the
| have no choice.  I appreciate that many people do not understand what FAT16 
| feel it is up to me to make a stand.
|
| Any comments good or bad appreciated......................
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  435) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 10:44:55 pm 
| URL
|
| X86>
| SNAP AUDIO:  Udo from DR-DOS Projects has been tesing and I quote  
|
| "I tested it on my Pentium4 machine today; it properly detected my soundblas
| was able to play WAV sounds through it"
|
| This is interesting as it did not recognise my Analog Device Sound Max AC97,
| Sound Blaster compatibility is the goal of this Driver?
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  436) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 11:27:27 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray....you are grossly mistaken...!!!....you equate my "calling down on
| proven frauds and scam artists" with being some sort of misguided
| anti-environmentalist....well...I'm anti-environmentalist toward all the
| hypers and hyper-ventalators...that's for sure...but...do NOT try to
| tar me with some kind of doctinairianism, dogmatic and blind....just
| because I call a crook a crook, and acadeeeeemic-layabout just that,
| or an environ-mental-murder just what he is...
| ..
| Your trying to obfuscate their crimes with the overall globwaam hysteria
| ...and that's intellectually dishonest...stop it..
| ...
| Yes, the climate seems to be slightly warming, now....and that is only
| a slight trend WHICH WE CAN SEE FROM THE 1945-1975 data may just be
| another temporary trend....quite possibly, because the satelite and
| troposphere balloon data do not show any warming trend...
| No...the overblown projections do NOT have any validity..not now, since
| their originator/propogator has been show to have "cooked the books"
| ...
| No...there is NO evidence that shows man-made glob-gaz is a chief (or,
| even, significant) cause of any increase in green-gaz...
|
| No...there is no sensible analysis coming from the glob-waams about the
| effects of our current possible warming trend..
| ..
| You make a big point about, "...could you be wrong..etc"...trying to
| paint me as some kind of anti-intellectual extremist.....
| ...about the points I have just made in this post....no..I'm not wrong..
| .those are FACTS...
| ..
| About my own analysis of what might happen/is happening....of course I
| could be wrong....after all, what we're essentially trying to do here
| is "predict the weather".....
| ..
| <g g g g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 437) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 11:29:45 pm 
|
| gregy>
| x86....CDRecord....I've already grabbed that and a whole bunch more
| stuff off Hobbes....that is all OS/2 stuff....
| ..
| I'm trying to get DOS-burning going on my machine(s)....and it isn't
| "giving trouble"....I mean...I have only begun to try to get it working
| on one of my boxes....so....it hasn't yet had the opportunity to be
| "giving trouble".......<g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 438) Tue, Mar 28, 2006 - 1:16:10 am 
| URL
|
| X86>
| Gregy: we have a communication problem..................
|
| Anyway if ypu find CDRoast is not ideal for your purposes there is always "C
| (cdrecord, mkisofs, cdda2wav, readcd, ...) by Joerg Schilling" available her
| http://bootcd.narod.ru/index_e.htm
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  439) Tue, Mar 28, 2006 - 1:31:59 am 
|
| X86>
| SCITECHSOFT:  they have changed their URLS for UniVBE etc and SNAP Audio/Gra
|
| ftp://ftp.scitechsoft.com/sdd/
| ftp://ftp.scitechsoft.com/snap/dos/
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  440) Tue, Mar 28, 2006 - 2:34:54 am 
|
| gregy>
| x86...yes, indeed...and it's my fault....I beg your pardon..!!!!
| ...
| I went to that phael link and looked...and...sure enough...cdrecord IS
| ported to DOS...and to Win and Linux.....<g g g>
| ...
| So, I d/led it...and I thank you much...
| ..
| Re:  Scitechsoft....what'd you do...go schmooz around on their FTP
| server....???.....<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 441) Tue, Mar 28, 2006 - 9:29:03 am 
|
| x86>
| gregy:  I regularly have a trawl of links on my web site and quite often fin
| pages are removed, quite often the information is availabe with a little dig
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  442) Tue, Mar 28, 2006 - 6:05:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| There is one point I have not made clear about my position on 'Global Warmin
|
| From the data I have been able to find... (and my searching for data
| over the last 5 years has been quite extensive)...
|
| I have yet to find so much as one piece of 'verifiable data' which points
| to the warming trend as being attributable to any man-made cause.
|
| Every spec of 'verifiable data' I can find says quite the contrary..
| that the warming trend is _not_ due to any man-made cause but _is_
| rather due to _naturally occurring_ patterns in the climate which have
| been taking place periodically for eons upon eons.
|
| _IF_ there is some 'verifiable data out there which points to man-made
| causes..... I have not found it yet.
|
| But rest assured... I will not turn a blind eye to any 'verifiable data'
| that someone has to present.
|
| Note that I specify quite adamantly... 'verifiable data'.
|
| I _do_ dismiss out-of-hand _anything_ coming from 'un-verifiable sources'.
|
| Now, you are about to ask...
|
| "What is a verifiable source" ?
|
| "What is an un-verifiable source" ?
|
| Examples of verifiable sources....
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/global_warming/
|  
| An example of an un-verifiable source.... Mr. James Hansen.
| http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2005/04/28/james-hansen-increasi
| http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba299.html
|
| Mr. Hansen is yet another example of a person who 'sits atop the fence'
| and goes one way and then the other depending upon his mood and public
| opinion.
|
| http://www.rense.com/general19/globalss.htm
| Last-Modified: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 05:57:39 GMT
|
| --- an excerpt from the above link ---
|
| Mr. Hansen slowly threw in the towel. After noting in 1997
| that sulfates might actually cause little (if any) cooling (a
| position the "skeptics" had long held), he noted, in a 1999
| paper, that greenhouse gases weren't increasing so rapidly
| after all (another fact the "skeptics" had been noting for
| years). Finally, in two papers in 2000 and 2001, he argued
| that all of the uncertainty about the planet's true sensitivity
| to warming dictated that we listen to nature, after all.
|
| So, in his last paper in the Proceedings of the National
| Academy of Sciences, Mr. Hansen and Makiko Sato wrote,
| "We predict an additional warming in the next 50 years of
| 3/4 plus or minus 1/4 degree Centigrade [1.35 plus or minus
| 0.5 degree Fahrenheit]" , which sounds an awful lot like
| page 210 of "The Satanic Gases," which I authored two
| years earlier with Robert Balling: "The Earth's average
| surface temperature will warm 0.65 to 0.75 degrees
| Centigrade (1.17 degrees to 1.35 degrees Fahrenheit) by
| 2050." The only difference is that we have been using
| virtually the same number since Mr. Hansen's 1988
| testimony.
| _____________________________________________________________
|
| That was 4 years ago...... this is Jan 29 2006.....
|
| http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=243
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 443) Tue, Mar 28, 2006 - 6:11:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As you can see from reading his widely varying predictions from year to
| year...... he flip-flops all over the place.
|
| IMO,
|
| There is no justifiable reason to put _any_ validity in _anything_
| he or _anyone_ like him has to say.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 444) Tue, Mar 28, 2006 - 6:34:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Sorry to touch your buttons there. The questions were *questions*,
| not insunuations or inuendoes. I just hope you are open, in principal,
| to the possiblity that further research might modify your view. For
| me, that openness is an essential for any meaninful discussion of
| any position where the point at odds is not 100% certain. 
| Those who KNOW can't learn, those who are always learning hesitate
| to say they KNOW. And, although there are always frauds, huxters
| and worse hanging around on the outskirts of anything where money
| might be involved, I hope you don't think that every last scientist
| who is concerned about GW is automaticaly a scoundrel.
|
| Glenn,
|
| I find your position completely respectable. Ironicaly, the more
| mildly you state it, the more convincing I find it. I don't doubt
| that there is some bamboozeling going on vis. GW and (worse) 
| a certain amount of band-wagoning. Though I consider myself a
| 'believer' in GW, that is held very cautiously and I could 
| quickly be changed if the facts I was aware of waranted it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 445) Tue, Mar 28, 2006 - 11:12:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Again, we are in total agreement.
|
| I am nothing if not open minded.
|
| And I have always been and will continue to be the first to say in
| refference to myself........ "I don't know". :)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 446) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 12:05:49 am 
|
| X86>
| SNAPAudio/Graphics:  I have tested on a Compaq SFF EN 733 with the Intel 810
| both Sound and Graphics are recognised..........
|
| This is strange as like my Laptop uses a Analog Devices SoundMax Sound Chip!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  447) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 4:10:47 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,     Are you sure your not trying to be obfuscatory by writing
| these big long posts that make me page back to remind me what the
| impetus was for the post in the first place. <gggg>
| BTW, there's no indication of global warming this spring in Michigan.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 448) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 5:08:53 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray....but there ARE certain things I KNOW....several of them being
| the proven falsehood of several of the leading globwaam lights...those
| things I KNOW.....
| Like Glenn...I refuse to place credence in "unvarifiable sources" and
| ...when someone deliberately hides his work methods and data for years
| (until sued and force to cough up), all the while claiming "proof" for
| "man-made greenhouse gases warming" ....then his methods and data turn
| out to be totally flakey....that shouts of fraud and scam...and I KNOW
| he's done some very fraudulent things....and where his malfeasance has
| harmed someone,...anyone...that's a CRIME...whether he ever pays for
| it or not (unlikely, in my opinion).....but...BUT...he's never again
| to be trusted or have any valitidy...
| ....
| As for "close minded".....hear me....and go back and read what I've said
| ....I completely agree that it seems to be warming up (seems to be but
| not certain...and not a trend that doesn't fall within past trends)...
| ...even though the satelite and balloon data do NOT show a clear warming
| ..we may be seeing a slight trend that way.
| ...
| Again....this MIGHT be caused by increasing "greenhouse gases"...this is
| NOT proven....and those increased greenhouse gases MAY or may NOT be
| the result of man's activities...
| ...
| Now...does THAT sound like "closed mindedness".....???....
| ...but...that's what I've been saying continuously....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 449) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 5:10:28 am 
|
| gregy>
| Just because I refuse to accept the "greengazers" case, now...doesn't
| mean that further data might not give their case more weight...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 450) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 5:11:35 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....you've been following this thread from the beginning...so..you
| know I agree with you...<g g g>....I mean...you don't hafta go back and
| reread my previous posts....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 451) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 5:15:48 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...I'm afraid that I DO obfuscate...<g g g>...but that's due to my
| sometimes poor communications skills....I try to NOT do that..but..hey
| ...I'm a klutz....so....<g g g g g g>
| ...
| And, BTW-back-atcha....we had the longest continuous stretch of below
| freezing (32Fdegrees) temps here in Feb-Mar this year...on one has
| any recollection or record of such a stretch around here before...
| ...but.....to balance that out....we had a pretty mild (NOT record
| breaking, but still mild) January...which is atypical for us...<g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 452) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 2:54:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Here in NE Ohio...
|
| Dec was much colder than normal
| Jan was about normal
| In Feb we had our normal Mar weather (warmer than is normal for Feb)
| In Mar we had our normal Feb weather (colder than is normal for Mar)
|
| Therefore, overall....
| the 4 month period was colder than normal for NE Ohio
|
| And I do mean 'much colder' as is evident by the 968 dollar heating bill
| I had in Dec.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 453) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 3:33:15 pm 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| Weather-balloon data challenged...
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  454) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 3:34:49 pm 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| Hockey stick row...
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  455) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 3:36:00 pm 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| And more...
|
| Has there been a conclusion yet?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  456) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 3:49:41 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The guilty man fleeth when no man pursueth.
|
| Alas, poor Yorick, me thinks he dost protest too much!
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 457) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 3:58:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: "hockey stick graph" , "green house gases" and "green house effect"
|
| Strange how people use colloquial terms for things they do not understand.
|
| The drawing an a piece of graph paper resembles the shape
| of a hockey stick ... 
|
| Therefore it is called the 'hockey stick graph'.
|
|
| The supposed presence of certain gases in the atmosphere is hypothosised
| to have the same effect on our climate as does the glass on roof of a
| green house ....
|
| Therefore they are called 'green house gases'
| and said to cause the 'green house effect'.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 458) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 4:04:59 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Hehehehehe !!!! <ggggggggg>
|
|
| Our next round of research funding is going to find
| even more innovative ways to monitor the earth's
| decline. When the funding round is complete in
| 2010, the scientists have finished their research, the
| findings have been verified by peer review, and the
| breakthroughs have been turned into usable
| technologies, we will be able to tell you to within half
| a metre just how deep the water is under your
| houseboat.
| Enjoy the conference! ®
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 459) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 4:08:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The sky is falling, the sky is falling !!!!
|
| Please, please... PLEASE !!!
|
| Won't you please give me another 'research grant' so that we can see
| just how fast it is falling ???
|
| <gggg>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 460) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 4:28:17 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Hahahahahaha !!!! <gggg>
|
| Bush vs. Arnie - The Global Warming Science
| Smackdown. Pay-per-view, anyone? ®
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 461) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 5:13:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Well ... Ok, that's all quite respectable in my view. The problem
| can be that the baby can be thrown out with the bath water. 
| As I said before, there are always frauds lurking about when money is
| to be had, that's just background noise and doesn't affect the
| facts one way or another. True a 'scientist' who as been 
| dirty before is liable to be dirty again and should not be trusted,
| then again, genuine scientists can be expected to modify their
| views and predictions as their data and models improve, no? 
|
| Caution, good, histeria bad. Research good, grant harvesting bad.
| Openness good, gulibility bad. Sceptisism good, ridgidity bad.
| Honest mistakes good, consealed data bad. Big Bands good, bandwagons
| bad.
|
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 462) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 5:18:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| ...
| Humour good ad hominems bad ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 463) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 5:37:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Good point vis a vi 'background noise'.
|
| Problem:
|
| Background noise too often drowns-out everything else,
| there-by preventing us from hearing the truth.
|
| IMO,
| For the last several years... 99.9% background noise.... 0.1% truth.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 464) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 5:41:42 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Wanna see a perfect example of what happens when we get too great a
| percentage of background noise ?
|
| Edit the SRC of this page and change the body tag as follows.
|
| <body bgcolor="ffffff" text="eeeeee">
|
| Can't see a danged thing now... can ya ?
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 465) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 5:43:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Wanna make it even worse ?
|
| <body bgcolor="ffffff" text="fffffe">
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 466) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 5:53:42 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now, to make things much much better.....
|
| Eliminate _both_ sides of the argument and use _your own eyes_. ;-)
|
| <body>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 467) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 6:25:05 pm 
|
| Jake>
| Re: #456  It's past 2 in the mornin' here, and I need a kip!
|
| Balloon data -- Glenn didn't you say that your NASA pages were no longer
| available? Maybe cos they contain old, unreliable data? Please correct me
| if I'm wrong. Weren't the satellite's falling orbits a factor?
|
| Hockey-stick articles are from the few I found at the BBC news site.
| From this perspective there's lots going on the USA that seems very
| heated and strange, and no doubt we seem strange and perhaps "cold"
| to you. Anyway, the hockey-stick case has only recently impinged on
| my under-informed consciousness, thanks to Gregy's "heated" posts <G>.
| I _was_ looking for refutations of greenhouse gas effects a week or
| so ago, but hadn't come across anything other than partisan hot air.
|
| I agree that verbal shorthand is dangerous. I displayed this re:
| greenhouse gases, I guess because a sense memory of warm growing
| tomatoes entered my thoughts, and I wrote something stupid. Or
| more stupid than usual.
|
| I cannot agree with a simplistic "use your own eyes". Science is
| STRANGE. I thank <nick> for his recent post about prime numbers,
| which I must go back to and finish. When I was a kid, a friend's older
| brother was doing an electronics engineering degree. We loved the
| tiny radio he made, but he told us that deep down none of his professors
| knew what really allowed a transistor to work.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  468) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 6:31:52 pm 
|
| Jake>
| I saw the tale-end of a repeated "Horizon" TV prog the other day,
| about the mass extinctions _before_ the dinosaurs reigned. The slow
| increase in temp over thousands of years, by about 5C, allowed frozen
| methane below the sea bed to suddenly be released. The large release
| of greenhouse gas caused a "rapid" further 5C rise, wiping out almost
| all life. Or so the hypothesis goes.
|
| There you go, a dangerous global +ve feedback effect, taking several
| hundred thousand years.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  469) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 6:34:12 pm 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| He he, we're all gonna be saved!
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  470) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 7:53:01 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: NASA pages not available.
|
| They are still there... just not at the same URLs where they were
| originally.
|
| Since they have been 'archived', they are harder to track-down so I
| saved some local copies.
|
| But here are still plenty of others still at the original URLs at NASA.
|
| Many are linked to via http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/global_warming/
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 471) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 7:33:57 am 
|
| gregy>
| Jake..et al....that link Jake posted..in 454..the last four paragraphs
| kinda let the stick out of the bag:
| --------------snip-------------
| However, even those scientists who agree with evidence for recent, strong
| anthropogenic warming have reservations about models such as the hockey
| stick. 
|
| According to Professor John Waterhouse, of Anglia Polytechnic University
| in Cambridge, UK, the so-called Medieval Warm Period (AD 800 to 1400) and
| the Little Ice Age (AD 1600-1850) do not show up. 
|
| "Most climate researchers expected them to be there," he told the BBC News
| website. 
|
| He added that uncertainties in the methods used for climatic
| reconstruction underestimate the changeability of climate in the past. 
|
| and...AND...we KNOW from MUCH very valid historical data that there
| WAS both a "Medieval Warm Period" and a "Little Ice Age"...
| ..
| So...these acadeeeeeemic-welfare-bums, trying to scam us into coughing
| up even more loot into their clutches....wonder why we aren't buying
| it.....<g g g g>
|  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 472) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 7:59:26 am 
|
| gregy>
| Well....the "catch-phrases" we use are VALID...as labels and memory
| aids....but....I think we need to sorta keep in mind what's back of 
| them...
| ..
| and...AND...what's back of "runaway greenhouse effect" IS...that lousy,
| unconvicted fraud and scam artist, liar, Sagan....oh, and he's guilty
| of plagarism, too....but...like everything else...was never called on
| it...
| ...
| And...Ray...your comment, "...sure works on Venus.."....was a perfect
| proof of the way his propaganda and lies poisoned the knowledge base of
| all mankind....I mean...how could you know..???...(or most of the rest
| of mankind, who never dug into this)....
| ..
| But...he just HAD to refute ole Velikovsky....so....he lied, fabricated
| and constructed out of holecloth his "runaway greenhouse gases" 
| flakeaboodle...and...the media gave him full broadcast powers...and..
| he shouted down everyone else (and it wasn't just the Velikovskians,
| many more of the leading astrophysicists of the day, too)...and...then
| ...along about the 60s-70s, the "chicken-droppings" (I refuse to call
| them the "chicken-littles")....the chicken-droppings started their
| balderdashering around about "Man is wrecking the climate/earth.." (but,
| at that time, they were screaming "New Ice AGE...!!!!") and grasped
| upon the "greenhouse gases" as a nifty scam-device...so....we're stuck
| with their baloney and nonsense....
| ...
| oh,..but THEY know what's going on...and THEY'll tell all the rest of us
| what's WHAT....and we'd BETTER go along with them....or ELSE...!!!!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 473) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 8:07:54 am 
|
| gregy>
| oh, I guess the buzzword "anthropogenic" warming is the one that I'm in
| disagreement with.....and most of the other sceptics.
| 1.  I accept/welcome/agree-with the possibility/probability that the
| climate is warming up.  I do this on the basis of solid verifiable data
| from the history of the Medieval Warm Period and The Little Icd Age...
| 2.  I do NOT accept that a significant portion of this warming is man
| caused, "anthropocentric" warming.  
| 3.  I refute the "greenhouse-gases-warming" argument since it has NO
| factual validity...i.e. no valid data to back it up...
| ...
| I mean....just because the climate seems to be warming, and even if it
| can be shown that man is causing an increase in so-called greenhouse
| gases...that is STILL not close to being valid proof that the gases
| are causing the warming....that whole "glob-waam-gazzers" hypothesis is
| unproven..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 474) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 12:41:46 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ok, but even if it isn't proven (which I accept) surely the matter is
| serious enough to warrent further rearch no? Thus I think it 
| imprudent to call the people doing the research 'welfare bums'. As you
| just quoted, these 'bums' are often quite honest about the fact that
| their modeling is as yet quite imperfect. So do we stop all research
| or do we press on until we get it right? The centre for atmospheric
| reseach (do I have the name right?) in Boulder is perhaps the finest
| in the world, should it be shut down? 
|
| What the gazzers do have going for them is the fact of physics that
| CO2 is opaque to IR -- the models are all built around that fact, but,
| as we have seen, how that fact actually affects the atm may not be
| exactly as the model predicts.
|
| As to Venus, I'm a bit of a Velicovskian myself. However, the 
| claim there is not (or need not be) that Venus *got* hot because of
| the GHE but rather the thick atm of that planet has *retained* its
| heat.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 475) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 3:47:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| Yes, I must agree that it warrents further research.
|
| But.... not at the expense of haveing even more taxes forced upon us
| based upon falsified data.
|
| If, and only if a particular research group has been _proven_ to be
| accurate in their reporting of datas should that group and _only_ that
| group be given another research grant to do further studies.
|
| Once their data has benn proven to have been falsified....
|
| Not only should they NEVER get another grant.... but those persons
| guilty of falsifying the data MUST BE PROSICUTED and forced to
| pay-back every penny of the money they have SCAMMED us out of.
|
| But.... that's just one man's opinion on the matter. <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 476) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 3:50:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to COP2 being opaque to IR
|
| Are you certain of that fact ?
|
| Have _you_ done experiments which have proven that to be true ?
|
| Or is that your opinion based upon data you read in a book ?
|
| <ggggggggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 477) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 3:57:13 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to Venus....
|
| I ask again.
|
| Could it not be that Venus is hot, got hot and remains hot due to the
| simple fact that it is many millions miles closer to the sun ????
|
| Case-in-piont:
|
| It is hotter, got hotter and remains hotter at the equator here on earth...
| and it is only 4,000 miles closer to the sun than are the poles.
|
| 4,000 miles == 50C warmer
| 26,000,000 mi == ???? hotter
|
| <gggggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 478) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 4:05:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Several facts for you that can be _proven_ by simple observation.
|
| In a desert.... on a cloudless night..... temps drop from 130F to 30F
|
| In that same desert .... on a cloudy night temps drop from 130F to 60F
|
| It is not CO2 holding-in the heat..... it is cloud-cover.
|
| In that same desert ... on a cloudy day... temps climb from 30F to 100F
|
| It is not the presence of some quantity of gas in the atmosphere which
| prevents the additional 30F increase in temp.... it is cloud-cover.
|
| <ggggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 479) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 4:16:22 pm 
|
| ray>
| Harsh, but fair. No proven fraud should ever get government money 
| again. So long as we are not too quick to say that those who disagree
| with us are frauds, ipso facto.
|
| As to CO2, no I haven't tested it myself, but this is such a
| simple, basic claim of fact that if it were false there would be
| no escaping the matter. It is as if I claimed that the melting point
| of normal ice at STP was 5 Celsius; such fundamental things 
| can't be disputed for long, esp. with all the politics surrounding it.
|
| As to Venus, it's simple to calculate the insolation and what the
| corresponding temperature 'should' be, and as Velekovsky pointed
| out, Venus *is* 'too hot'. Why is a much more controvercial
| subject. The equator analogue doesn't work, however, since that
| is due to angle of insidence to the sun, not closesness, and 
| given our atmosphere, we, too, are quite a bit warmer than we 
| would be without it (the moon's average temperature is the 
| 'expected' temperature at our distance from the sun). The balance
| point between radiation in and radiation out in a vacum is 
| pretty simple stuff.
|
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 480) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 4:20:31 pm 
|
| ray>
| There's no doubt at all that clouds are a far more powerful 
| vectore of radiation control (both ways) that is C02. But clouds
| tend to reflect both ways, whereas invisible gases (water vapour
| even more than C02) tend to alow passage of vis light but
| block IR, thus producing a net warming, this is not disputed
| with water vapour, the extreme changes in the desert are due to the
| low humidity in the air, clouds or not.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 481) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 4:41:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK, then let's concentrate on cloud-cover.... shall we ? <ggg>
|
| Could it be that Venus is "hotter than expected" because the make-up of
| it's clouds allow more heat in and less heat out than do the clouds on
| earth ?????
|
| And we did not expect that to be the case because we did not know and
| still do not know the particular make-up of its clouds and what the
| heat-passage/heat disipation properties of said clouds might be ???
|
| <gggggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 482) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 4:43:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Is not that hypothosis I have just come-up-with just as plausible as the
| "runaway greenhouse effect" hypothosis ????
|
| <ggggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 483) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 4:44:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And mine did not cost the tax payers so-much-as one red cent. <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 484) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 4:49:44 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Or could it be that since we now know what the actual temp _is_ on Venus
| that we must simply understand that our previous calculations as to what
| "should be expected" were wrong and were based upon mistaken assumptions
| made with too little 'real data' ?
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 485) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 9:16:41 pm 
|
| ray>
| Now I'm confused. You are arguing *for* the greenhouse effect on
| Venus?? I'm not sure the 'runaway' modifier works there, tho, 
| since that theory involves the idea that at temp rises, the oceans
| and other C02 sinks release more C02, etc -- but those ideas don't
| apply to Venus (no oceans).
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 486) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 9:20:29 pm 
|
| ray>
| ... tho I supposed it could be said that Venus once had oceans and
| suffered a RAGE ... na, it would have to be too warm there with
| any atmosperic makeup -- couldn't ever have been oceans there.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 487) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 9:22:33 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmm, I like the acronym. "There go those RAGEing globwam fanatics 
| again ..."
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 488) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 10:10:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: post 485
|
| Where the F*** did you ever get such an idea as that ????
|
| I never said any such thing.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 489) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 10:12:46 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I said 'cloud-cover' ... not 'green house effect'.
|
| Re-read my post 481 for GAWD sake !!!!
|
| 481) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 4:41:58 pm 
| glennmcc>
| OK, then let's concentrate on cloud-cover.... shall we ? <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 490) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 10:14:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric was right....
|
| You see what you want to see and read what you want to read
| and read into things what you want them to say.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 491) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 10:17:12 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Are you sure your name isn't James Hansen ???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 492) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 11:55:25 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re: #490
| glennmcc,     Hey,  when did I say that?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 493) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 12:43:02 am 
|
| gregy>
| Mr. #492....DON'T try to deny it..!!!!....we're SURE you said that..!!!
| ..some time or other.....<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 494) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 12:49:34 am 
|
| gregy>
| Re:  Venus....oh, one other fact/data that I left out....the darkside
| measures "hotter" than the lightside.....<g g g>
| ...
| of course, the measurements are taken reading the top of the clouds..
| ...
| Velikovsky proposed that Venus was "hot" because Venus was "giving off
| heat"...because Venus had not yet reached "temperature equilibrium" in
| its space-environment....and it was hot/radiating because it still had
| it natal heat...after its relatively recent (4000-5000 years ago)
| birth by expulsion from the planet Jupiter....
| ...
| Now....as to whether or not that is true.....it has NEVER been refuted.
| ...
| I say never refuted...true....but...but it HAS be copiously badmouth..
| ...and so was Velikovsky....but his ideas were never comprehensively
| discussed, debated (just badmouthed and slandered and censored)...and
| so....given that refusal on the part of the ChurchMilitantScientistic
| ....the field of argument/battle....STILL belongs wholely to Velikovsky
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 495) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 12:55:28 am 
|
| gregy>
| Oh, BTW again, Velikovsky made these claims and proposals way back in
| the 1940s....when the hottest anyone (and he was regarded as a nutcase)
| ever calculated Venus to be was 135Fdegrees(or maybe Cdegrees).....
| ....
| Velikovsky never gave a proposed figure...except to characterize the
| magnitude of the temp by the effect it had on Venus....and his "ballpark
| figure" would have meant Venus was 500+degrees.....he he he ...Church
| MilitantSci screamed at him that he was certifiable...a lunatic....
| until the probes MEASURED Venus' heat at 800+degrees.....he he he..
| ...then they all hadda scramble around trying to defend their previous
| stupidity....stupidity, I say....because ignorance is excusable...but
| WILLFUL lack-of-knowledge (ignorance) is NOT excusable....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 496) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 2:01:03 am 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| He he, you'll hafta put up a page to define your terms...
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  497) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 2:21:13 am 
|
| gregy>
| shucks..!!!  that google is ALLLLLL over....<g g g>...remember way back
| when...???  When I first entered my "gregy" and clicked SEARCH...my
| own pages turned up about 2nd or 3rd.....now they've fallen off the
| scope....but....you've turned up this link....and I thought google
| has just "given up" on me.....<g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 498) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 5:47:20 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| http://zwr.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 499) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 5:52:43 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| Anyone here like to characterize this as "responsible journalism"...???
|
| http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1176980,00.html
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 500) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 6:10:00 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
|
| http://www.mrc.org/BozellColumns/newscolumn/2006/col20060322.asp
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 501) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 6:22:49 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
|
| http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2006/cyb20060328.asp
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 502) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 7:16:38 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
|
| http://www.Frontpagemag.com/blog/printable.asp?ID=642
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 503) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 7:23:23 am 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| re 486,7:
|
| What? We have some terminological difficulty here I think: 
| The 'green house effect' is the warming of a body due to a tendancy for
| it to absorb visible light readily, but reradiate IR with some
| impediment. It doesn't matter what the gas involved is H20, C02,
| CH4, ... there are dozens of significant 'green house gases'
| and I make no terminological distinction between them. If Venus
| is warmer than it would be if it had no atm, then that is 
| an example of the greenhouse effect.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 504) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 10:32:15 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Here a couple of examples of you asking Ray to re-read stuff you had
| written because he had not read it thoroughly the first time.....
|
| <ggggggggg>
|
| | 126) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 12:27:32 pm 
| | Eric>
| | Ray,     Did you delete your history 1st...before the search.
| | I don't get any search string in the history.lst....maybe nothing is
| | being sent.
| | About offer for my pages....here we go again...did you read my posts.
| | ==========================================================================
| | 127) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 12:46:15 pm 
| | ray>
| | No, didn't delete history, but did kill cache. I'll try both.
| | As to pages, something just isn't getting through here, I have no
| | idea what you are reffering to. Let me just reread the last 
| | few days posts ...
| | ==========================================================================
| | 128) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 12:47:53 pm 
| | ray>
| | Just reread everying by you and I see nothing about this :-/
| | 130) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 1:00:13 pm 
| | Eric>
| | Ray,    Did you re-read post#115?   
| | Check your mailbox....I just sent edited Google pages.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 505) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 10:36:55 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| re:"... It doesn't matter what the gas involved is H20, C02, ..."
|
| FYI,
|
| H2O is _not_ a gas... it is a liquid.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 506) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 11:26:55 am 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| OMG..... it's getting too hot at the South pole !!!!
|
| <gggggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 507) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 12:56:36 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://astro.uchicago.edu/cara/southpole.edu/qanda/qa_outdoors.html
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 508) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 1:04:00 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Well I'll be damned....
| the fault lies with Santa, his elves and the reindeer. <ggggg>
|
| http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/scienceques2005/20060310.htm
|
| At the South Pole (Amundsen-Scott Station), the average temperature of the
| coldest month (August) is approximately -76 F (-60 C), and the average
| temperature of the warmest month (January) is –-18º F (-28.2 C). Records go
| back at the South Pole to 1957. At the North Pole, long term temperature
| records aren't available, but in 2003 a live weather camera and an unmanned
| weather station were installed on the sea ice. During the last 3 years, the 
| temperatures have vacillated between about –-40º F (-40º C) during December
| and January to a little above freezing (0º C) in June, July and August. The
| seawater below the ice provides enough heat to keep winter temperatures from
| falling much below about –-40º F (-40º C). I suppose all the activity of San
| his mischievous little helpers, plus 8 or 9 tiny reindeer might be responsib
| boosting the temperatures here a little too. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 509) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 1:10:07 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Strange..... 
|
| The coldest temps _ever_ recorded on earth happened during the
| 'global warming' that is supposed to be taking place.
|
| <gggg>
|
| http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/YongLiLiang.shtml
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 510) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 1:10:28 pm 
|
| Jake>
| #498 Thanks much Gregy.
|
| #505 Water vapour isn't 100% H2O but you know what Ray means
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  511) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 1:18:44 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hi Jake,
|
| Yes... I do.
|
| But it's just so much fun ribbing him. <gggggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 512) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 1:22:10 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.sitewave.net/news
|
| Courtesy NASA/TRACE
|
| The real culprit in "global climate change" is the sun:
| Long-term studies document that fluctuations in the intensity of
| solar radiation are closely correlated with warming and cooling
| trends in the Earth's temperature. These facts are scrupulously
| ignored by those determined to use the "global warming" myth to
| destroy industrial civilization.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 513) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 1:27:08 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://zwr.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm
|
| The costs of this petition project have been paid entirely by private donati
| industrial funding or money from sources within the coal, oil, natural gas o
| industries has been utilized. The petition's organizers, who include some fa
| members and staff of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, do not
| otherwise receive funds from such sources. The Institute itself has no such 
| Also, no funds of tax-exempt organizations have been used for this project. 
|
| _______
|
| Hmmm,
|
| No money from 'special interest groups', no money from taxes,
| no money from 'questionable sources'.
|
| How can we possibly be expected to put any validity in what someone says
| who has no money to gain ????
|
| <ggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 514) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 1:43:51 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Son of a gun,
|
| They offer the entire site in a ZIP for the purposes of 'arciving' and
| 'mirroring'.
|
| Therefore... 
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/global_warming/pproject/
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 515) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 1:48:21 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Some interesting info on CO2
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/global_warming/pproject/s33p36.htm
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 516) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 1:58:19 pm 
|
| Jake>
| They've also got interesting stuff on surviving nukes and home-schooling.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  517) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 1:58:44 pm 
|
| Jake>
| I don't mean to imply that home-schooling is as much of a disruption as a
| nuclear strike <G>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  518) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 2:01:41 pm 
|
| Jake>
| Not that I have experience of either...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  519) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 2:04:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| My sister 'home schooled' her daughter for 2 years..... after which I
| have a feeling that she wished she had undergone a nuke stike instead.
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 520) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 5:38:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| URL in 515 most informative. I would trust the source a bit more if
| it had delt with the changes in the arctic.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 521) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 5:50:27 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Arctic info, you say ?
|
| No problem. <ggg>
|
| http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/np2003/gallery_np_weatherdata.html#weather #weath
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 522) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 5:53:47 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| And some more.
|
| http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/detect/climate-temps.shtml
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 523) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 6:14:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Reading through the various articles we see that some researchers claim
| that humans are cusing the various changes... while other researchers
| claim that we are not.
|
| There still remains that one unavoidable and undeniable 'true statement'.
|
| "We don't know."
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 524) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 7:33:42 pm 
|
| ray>
| I found the CO2 exchange data in that URL above very useful --
| if infact the rate of CO2 outgassing from the oceans is potentialy
| as large as it is, then even the huge amounts we produce are
| not the biggest vector by a long shot. However, therein lies the
| danger of the 'runaway' -- hot water tends to outgas CO2 and if that
| CO2 then triggers more warming, we could be in trouble. It is 
| a potential possitive feedback system, thus caution, and further 
| research are in order. However, I consider my personal 
| 'GW panic status' to have been reduced from say burnt orange down
| to mustard yellow, thanks!
|
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| 525) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 7:45:46 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| And mine has gone from 'cool blue' to 'cautious blue-green'.
|
| Thanks !
|
| <gggg>
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| 526) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 7:53:09 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ya know what ?
|
| All of this wishy-washy, uncertain, vague prediction,
| it-might-be-this, it-might-be-that stuff reminds me of a TV commercial a
| few years ago for Cheerios.
|
| It was aired quite often shortly after all of those 'studies' which
| touted the health benefits of 'high fiber'.
|
| It went like this.....
|
| "Some studies suggest that eating a low-fat, high-fiber diet
| may reduce your risk of developing some kinds of cancer."
|
| Now I ask you....
|
| Could that statement be any more vague and any more non-committal ???
|
| <gggg>
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