DOS Testers1 Message Board Arachne v1.85 http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/ctst/ctsindex.php Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:12:13 | ============================================================================ | | 1) Wed, Jun 29, 2005 - 2:20:48 am | | gregy> | Okay....clean board.... | | I "zeroed-out" the postfiles. That EOF Glennmcc put in, past my | mis-managed script, really screwed up the way Arachne presented the | posts. | | | ============================================================================ | | 2) Wed, Jun 29, 2005 - 2:25:05 am | | gregy> | Glenn, you might take a look at my PHP-SRC.TXT, below, just for the | sake of scan-safety.... | ... | AND...I'm going to put the new .PHP for this board up on my brdtest | board: | | http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/brd/test/tindex.php | | You can go over there and bang on it a little, just to be sure it's | not flakey somewhere else. | | BUT, please don't post anything like snippets, EOFs, etc in here... | ... | It seems to be working okay, and we can use it, here, while | testing it out, over on the brdTEST board... | | | ============================================================================ | | 3) Wed, Jun 29, 2005 - 7:14:30 am | | ray> | testing | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 4) Wed, Jun 29, 2005 - 7:16:38 am | | ray> | Balls of fire! ... it works :-) | | if (newboardindentsproperly) | { | Smile(); | puts("Thank's Sarge!"); | MakeSimpleTest(); | } | else | goto Work; | | ============================================================================ | | 5) Wed, Jun 29, 2005 - 11:12:04 pm | | gregy> | No "else | goto Work;" | | about it....no choice. Just get to work.... | | And, the thanks goes to Glennmcc...he originally modified/wrote the | board source. All I did was adapt it for my own boards... | | | ============================================================================ | | 6) Thu, Jun 30, 2005 - 2:13:19 am | | Eric> | Had another lockup with build-7 caused by memory for gifs. | Required 3 finger salute. I've never had this problem before. | | | ============================================================================ | | 7) Thu, Jun 30, 2005 - 2:42:06 am | | Joe> | Yes, there's some safety check missing in the GIF code | somewhere ... :-( | | ============================================================================ | | 8) Thu, Jun 30, 2005 - 4:48:57 am | | gregy> | Eric, welcome back,.......this board should be straightened out, for | forever.....:))) (we hope). | | | ============================================================================ | | 9) Thu, Jun 30, 2005 - 7:07:03 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Hmmmm, I hope I didn't bust something there. How much memory do you | have? What's your setting for xms4allgifskb? What's the minimum | setting that will let the GIF run? What's the GIF? I'll try to | duplicate this on my 486 if you give me a URL so I can grab that. | | BTW Gregy, any luck with build7? Still aborting? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 10) Thu, Jun 30, 2005 - 8:10:26 am | | gregy> | Ray,..ah, sorry, but...well, you've been watching me chase my tail | around the past couple days......so, you'll have to forgive | me, I haven't even unZipped it... | | | ============================================================================ | | 11) Thu, Jun 30, 2005 - 8:40:35 am | | Eric> | Hi Ray, I can't, don't know what gif. Just happened loading a webpage. | Don't know what web page. I had "xms4allgifskb 100" this last time. | I had set for text only. I don't remember if I pressed INSERT or not. | The point is I haven't changed anything and I never had a lockup before | caused by GIFS. So, there must be something different in Build-7 causing | this IMHO. The MEM /C command shows 7,614,464 XMS right now in Dos shell. | | ============================================================================ | | 12) Thu, Jun 30, 2005 - 7:20:18 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | So you're not asking for too much memory anyway. If you do | come across the URL for one of these things let me know and I'll | see what I can see, but until I can reproduce the problem it'll be | hard to say much that's useful. BTW I added a breakout in one | of the places where she is known to hang. If it's stuck there, try | pressing ESC and see if that frees her. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 13) Fri, Jul 01, 2005 - 3:21:57 am | | Eric> | Ray, the lockup data, (GIF, etc.) has always been | lost with reboot. It has always been on a link | to a page from some other page & not from a link | in my Hotlist. | | ============================================================================ | | 14) Fri, Jul 01, 2005 - 3:24:45 am | | Eric> | Ray, Also I think it occurred both times | after a CTL-Left Arrow backup. | | Eric | | ============================================================================ | | 15) Fri, Jul 01, 2005 - 8:32:23 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Ok, that's a tip, it would mean there could be something wrong | with that key rather than with the GIF per se. Try to come up with | some firm data and I'll track it down. | | | ============================================================================ | | 16) Sat, Jul 02, 2005 - 1:08:26 am | | gregy> | Ray, I've been busy with "things"....mostly these boards. I'm now | gonna start COREtesting, again. | | | ============================================================================ | | 17) Sat, Jul 02, 2005 - 8:25:38 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | You done the right thing :-) | | ============================================================================ | | 18) Sun, Jul 03, 2005 - 2:26:01 am | | gregy> | maybe...maybe not......but, I couldn't let this ride any longer, | and so...hey...IT GOT DONE...!!! | ... | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 19) Sun, Jul 03, 2005 - 8:27:06 am | | ray> | I notice one difference between this board and the other -- this one | doesn't automaticaly scroll down to the bottom which I like on the | other. | | ============================================================================ | | 20) Sun, Jul 03, 2005 - 4:39:54 pm | | glennmcc> | None of these boards go to the bottom when we first visit. | | They start-off at the top and then go to #end after we make a | post or simply by pressing the 'Send/Refresh' button. | | That's because the 'Send/Rfresh' button includes #end in the URL like | so.... | http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/ctst/ctsindex.php#end | | | ============================================================================ | | 21) Sun, Jul 03, 2005 - 11:07:54 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...you know...you wrote the code........ | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 22) Sun, Jul 03, 2005 - 11:09:18 pm | | gregy> | Ray, that's what the "END" and "PgUP" keys on your keypad do, instead.. | ......at least the first time.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 23) Sun, Jul 03, 2005 - 11:13:25 pm | | gregy> | Re: COREtiny.....Glenn...yes...it IS noticeably slower loading the | local pages (like MAIL.HTM)...but...not bad. I might notice it, if | you hadn't said so, but, it doesn't significantly slow things down. | ... | Oh, and BTW...you remember that I'm running on a "minimalist" 486dlc | 40MHz box....don't you....??? | | So, that's pretty good, that it doesn't significantly slow it down, | just a little, noticeable, slowdown.. | ... | I'll pound it a bit for the next few days... | .. | tiny, g615, g628 are all on my "test schedule".... | | | ============================================================================ | | 24) Sun, Jul 03, 2005 - 11:18:06 pm | | gregy> | Oh, BTW2....I'm on here with "tiny"....he he he....wouldn't report on | sumpin I wasn't on.... | .. | ALT-M gives me (pre-connect): | 183TB - 182,+++bytes free .... | tiny - 217,+++bytes free .... | ALT-M (connected, tiny) gives me: | tiny - 146,896bytes free | | So, not altogether a "dead loss" of an effort...... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 25) Mon, Jul 04, 2005 - 5:35:09 pm | | ray> | Ooops, I wasn't going to the end of this board automaticaly 'cause | I forgot to add "#end" to the url, she's fine now (yes it's just one | keystroke,but I'd as soon make it automatic). Now, off to Glenn's | to test drive 'tiny'. | | | ============================================================================ | | 26) Mon, Jul 04, 2005 - 6:45:40 pm | | Eric> | Where do I get CoreTiny? | | ============================================================================ | | 27) Mon, Jul 04, 2005 - 6:52:29 pm | | Eric> | Hey, what happened? I just sent a big posting and it disappeared | thru a hole in the matrix. Repeat: I had trouble downloading email. | Aborts at random emails usually after 2-5 emails downloaded. | I tried with Build-7, core-1 and core-2. Finally installed core | from A171UE01 and download was not aborted. | | | ============================================================================ | | 28) Mon, Jul 04, 2005 - 8:25:14 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Where to get it ??? | | Where else ??? | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/ | | ============================================================================ | | 29) Mon, Jul 04, 2005 - 10:26:56 pm | | Eric> | I got "tiny". Using it to write this. Version no. 1.85;GPL,386+ | Seems to be working. I'll try it for email d/l. | | | ============================================================================ | | 30) Mon, Jul 04, 2005 - 10:29:26 pm | | Eric> | Oh, Oh, email aborts with "tiny". | | | ============================================================================ | | 31) Tue, Jul 05, 2005 - 6:39:01 am | | gregy> | Eric, if you posted a post (big or little) that disappeared "into the | matrix" it is probable that you forgot to enter you Nick. These boards | (all of them) will not accept a post without a Nickname in the Nick box. | | | ============================================================================ | | 32) Tue, Jul 05, 2005 - 6:40:59 am | | gregy> | ..and, of course, you can always recover that "last previous post" by | immediately saving TEXTAREA.TMP to the filename of your choice, then | pasting it into another post. | | | ============================================================================ | | 33) Tue, Jul 05, 2005 - 6:43:14 am | | gregy> | ""..and, of course, you can always recover that "last previous post" by | immediately saving TEXTAREA.TMP to the filename of your choice, then | pasting it into another post."" | | Or, as I just did, here, putting your cursor in this text-input box, | pressing F3, typing in x:\arachne\textarea.tmp...and ..... | voila..!!! your last post will be pasted in here. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 34) Tue, Jul 05, 2005 - 6:45:49 am | | gregy> | Eric....I haven't tried COREtiny on mail uploads/downloads, but I | suspect that it might do the same thing COREtiny is doing on your | system. | | Tonight, I'll stuff my webmail INBOX with about 164 .MESs (to try to | reproduce Sam Haywards problem) and then download. I'll post the | results tonight after I get them. | | | ============================================================================ | | 35) Tue, Jul 05, 2005 - 5:56:48 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | Please try the new compile I've just now uploaded | and see if that fixes the aborted email downloads. | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/tinyfoot.zip | | ============================================================================ | | 36) Tue, Jul 05, 2005 - 6:00:53 pm | | glennmcc> | BTW, | | This new one is even tinyer than the last :)) | | CORE.EXE memory usage.... 417,152 bytes | | | ============================================================================ | | 37) Tue, Jul 05, 2005 - 6:05:30 pm | | glennmcc> | Down by 2,064 bytes from the one you have now. | | CORE.EXE memory usage.... 419,216 bytes. | | ============================================================================ | | 38) Tue, Jul 05, 2005 - 6:07:17 pm | | glennmcc> | My current stats inside Arachne... Dos mem 226,432[+] green | | ============================================================================ | | 39) Tue, Jul 05, 2005 - 9:26:31 pm | | ray> | Pushing the envelope! Our past experiments with this stuff failed | to move so far, so if it works on a ramdisk installation, that's got | to prove that an unmanaged ramdisk is better and faster than | a cached harddisk even though in theory, in both cases overlay | swaps are made from ram. I like it. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 40) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 2:50:38 am | | gregy> | Glenn, Ray, I just went and got it. I'll be trying it tonight. | ... | | ============================================================================ | | 41) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 3:23:11 am | | gregy> | Back with COREtiny. | | MAIL.HTM reload time == 0:10.....normal CORE == 0.06 | .. | As I said, a noticeable difference, but not excessively slower, however, | I noticed something, downloading several pages, that I will check | further on this variation of COREtiny, and get back with another report. | | | ============================================================================ | | 42) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 3:25:08 am | | gregy> | Oh, doggone, I forgot to mention TEST CONDITIONS....that reload time | was from an F8... | ... | And, EVERYTHING, cookies, history.lst, cache, etc, is on RAMdisk... | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 43) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 3:46:13 am | | Eric> | Glenn, I have "new tiny". Have to wait for email to | accumulate in mail box to test it. Is there a way | to paste a link from the board into the address | box? eg. The link you posted for "Tiny". | | BTW I'm writing this with "Tiny". | | ============================================================================ | | 44) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 3:50:03 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Thanks for the tip on retrieving lost posts. | I just tried it w/F3 & it works great. | | ============================================================================ | | 45) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:12:52 am | | gregy> | Eric, you don't use a mouse, so I don't know how you are setup to move | your mouse around the screen. BUT, once you can get your cursor to be | positioned over the URL in Glenn's post #35: | | 1) press and it will highlight the URL with yellow. | 2) move your cursor down over this text-input box and press | 3) press CTRL-V and the highlighted URL will be pasted into this text | entry box. | 4) arrange anyway/anywhere you want it. | Like this: | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/tinyfoot.zip | | I just did steps #1 thru #4 to paste that URL from Glenn's post to this | post. | | HOWEVER...NOTE - In Post #35, just above Glenn's glennmcc nick, between | his nick and the Post Number, you will notice a "blue URL" link, move | your cursor over that, press and you will be taken to that URL | link he also posted in the body of his post. | | I'll go do that, to check that the "press " over the blue URL | will work. And be right back... | | | ============================================================================ | | 46) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:15:31 am | | gregy> | Yep...works like advertised.... | ... | Again, I don't know how your move your cursor around the screen, but, if | you can position it over any area, then you can press and you're | in business....either to mark/highlight or to launch to the link under | any Blue URL on one of these board posts. | | | ============================================================================ | | 47) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:25:38 am | | gregy> | Eric, I just tried something. I PgUP/PgDWN until I had Glenn's Post#35 | onscreen, then I pressed TAB....hey..!!! Arachne worked exACTly as | advertised.....my cursor went directly to the "Blue URL" link and I | could press and go get his new COREtiny..... | ... | Hmmmm...this "keypress" might be useful....even though I use my ALPS | Touchpad constantly and religiously.... | ... | Maybe this "old dog" should add that technique to his bag of tricks.. | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 48) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:27:31 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Why does Glenn's post only show in blue "URL"? | I don't see the URL, just the letters URL. When I | click on it a download begins but I don't know what | I'm downloading. Is it a matter of print/background | color conflict? | | | ============================================================================ | | 49) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:29:15 am | | gregy> | Eric...also, when you see something you want to save from one of these | boards, remember the "Press P" trick to convert to .TXT, and save it | whereever... | ... | That is the way I archive my boards, and it works finest kind. Glenn | has his board-code set up to automagically archive his board(s) on the | 1st of each month, but I only archive every Quarter. This board won't | be archived until 30 Sep 05. | | | ============================================================================ | | 50) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:32:17 am | | gregy> | Eric, I just did the "display Post #35" and press TAB, and my cursor | went directly to that BlueURL link, and Arachne showed the link, | including what file, on the bottom-left StatusLine.. | .. | Your Arachne didn't show that...?? | | | ============================================================================ | | 51) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:34:53 am | | Eric> | Gregy, TAB is the only way to go. Sometimes it balks, | eg. On Google it stalls so you have to come thru the | back door w/ Shift-Tab. I don't know what causes the | stall. | | | ============================================================================ | | 52) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:37:21 am | | gregy> | he he he...Eric...I just played around moving my cursor with the TAB | some.......I remember the SHFT-TAB, and played with forward and | reverse... | ... | And I just navigated all around the links, reset the "Show xx messages" | to "Show 11 messages"....now I'm going to do the SEND/REFRESH and post | this whole message without touching my mouse/Touchpad even once... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 53) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:37:25 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I just lost that post so I can't test it. Is there | a way to get that post back. | | ============================================================================ | | 54) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:39:57 am | | gregy> | Eric....isn't there a way to set Arachne Options to make the Arrow Keys | move the cursor around the screen....?? | | I know that when we install, that is (maybe??) the default condition, | unless you load a mouse-driver.. | | So, can't you set Options so the cursor moves around on the screen..?? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 55) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:41:22 am | | gregy> | Yes....remember "TextArea.TMP"...?? | | Should be in there. | | And those posts get lost when you try to post with no NICKname in the | Nick: box | | | ============================================================================ | | 56) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:41:58 am | | Eric> | Gregy, The mouse on this DOS/Arachne machine has about | a quarter inch of dust on it. That's how long it's | been since I used it.` | | ============================================================================ | | 57) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:43:25 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I mean Glenn's post with the blue URL. | | | ============================================================================ | | 58) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:44:24 am | | gregy> | yeah....I'll bet.......and, you know, this "keypress" navigating | COULD get to be reaaaallll attractive.......I've posted the last | 3-4 posts using only the keys.... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 59) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:46:20 am | | gregy> | yes, I meant that Post #35, when you TAB to that BlueURL link, Arachne | shows you the "http://www.etc.etc/etc/etc/fileetc.etc link down on your | lower-left StatusBar.. | ... | You don't see this...??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 60) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:46:34 am | | Eric> | Gregy, My cursor moves with the arrow key's | doesn't yours? I haven't set that up in so | long I don't know how it got that way. | | | ============================================================================ | | 61) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:50:00 am | | gregy> | Nope...I turned that off so long ago, that I don't know how I did it | .... | .. | But, the important point is....you can move your cursor around on the | screen, so everything we've discussed, tonight, is possible for you to | do... | ....and...I can get around on these boards, now, without touching my | mouse-touchpad..... | | ============================================================================ | | 62) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:51:47 am | | gregy> | So, question again....when you move your cursor over the Post #35 Blue | URL, doesn't Arachne show you the link under the cursor...?? I mean, | show the link down on your bottom-left StatusBar....??? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 63) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:53:24 am | | gregy> | he he he....Eric...you've turned me on to a whole new "keypress" way of | living..... | ... | I haven't used my mouse-touchpad for all of the past 8-10 posts... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 64) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:53:26 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I no longer see post #35 on the board so I | can't | | | | | Gregy, My cursor moves with the arrow key's | doesn't yours? I haven't set that up in so | long I don't know how it got that way. | | Gregy, I was typing this and suddenly what I had typed | disappeared except the word I was typing. Any idea | what I did? I must have press a wrong key. | Anyway, I no longer see post #35 on the board so | I can't click on the blue URL. | | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 65) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:57:31 am | | gregy> | Eric....TAB until your cursor is on the rightside of "Show 11 messages" | ..press ENTER, UP/DWN arrow until you highlight "Show 32 messages" | ..press ENTER, then press TAB, then press ENTER, and the board will | reload with 32 messages showing, instead of only 11....you'll see | Glenn's Post #35 about halfway up...PgUP/PgDWN... | | | ============================================================================ | | 66) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:57:37 am | | Eric> | Boy, did I screw up that last post. | I got more than I bargained for! | | | ============================================================================ | | 67) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:59:49 am | | gregy> | Also, Eric, when the text in the text-input box disappears, all except | for the word you are typing (or line you are typing), just pause for | a couple seconds, and the text-input box will refresh. Arachne had | done that for forever, ever since I started using him with v.1.47.. | | ============================================================================ | | 68) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 5:02:19 am | | gregy> | If you mean Post #64, then THAT ain't screwed up.... When ole | Glennmcc comes in here and trys sumpin "tricky" on these boards, the | whole shebang is likely to go to pot.... | ... | However, he/we has/have gotten most of the possible bugs worked out of | these boards, so that now it is almost impossible to enter anything that | will "break the board" | | ============================================================================ | | 69) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 5:04:43 am | | gregy> | he he he...I see what you mean......but..hey..!!! that's a sign of | progress... | .. | You retrieved textarea.tmp and combined it with your Post #64... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 70) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 5:06:49 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Yes, your right, I wasn't looking down there. | I assume URL in blue is just a link and isn't supposed | to show the actual URL next to it. BTW, it wasn't | an Arachne time delay thingy, I think I must have hit | something that makes it page down and thus loose the | already typed script from view. | | ============================================================================ | | 71) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 5:11:11 am | | gregy> | ah...I see...well, I was recalling what is happening when I see that... | .. | he he he...however YOU screw up YOUR Arachne is likely entirely | different from how I screw up MY Arachne.... | ... | So, you see what I mean, about Arachne always showing you what you're | gonna "click into" when you press the ENTER on a link...??? | .. | I always check this before I click....I just don't wanna go off after | junk and garbage... | | | ============================================================================ | | 72) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 5:13:03 am | | Eric> | Gregy, As soon as I started to read your directions | to get post #35 a bell went off in my head. I remember | years ago when True, or Bear, or Glenn's board didn't | work right and you could only use some of the "go back's" | listed. I think that's how that smiley face got in there. | | | ============================================================================ | | 73) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 5:16:16 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Yes I miss that function that shows what the | link is when I have to use W$dz. | | ============================================================================ | | 74) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 5:16:26 am | | gregy> | You know, I'm deliberately playing "keypress" during this chat session, | and I'm getting pretty excited with doing that. I mean, I will still | use my touchpad, it's so THERE, and I can use all fingers on it, and... | and...and...it's been my LIFE for so many years....but...I am also | constantly doing ALT-E, TD and furously hopping around on my | HDDs using my TD(TopDos) filemanager/editor...so...I can see that in | not too long a time...I'll be the "keypress kid" in a big way... | | | ============================================================================ | | 75) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 5:18:36 am | | gregy> | yes....I remember that board...and the smiley-faces......but..I think | that was Robin Polak's original AQC, wasn't it...??? It was getting | kinda broken-down toward the end, there... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 76) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 5:19:27 am | | Eric> | Gregy, BTW did you see Jake's improved pic of Gaytz | with the hat. | | ============================================================================ | | 77) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 5:22:26 am | | gregy> | and, yes...I miss so much when I'm in whingdoz that I try to never use | it. Mostly I can get by with using the WinOS2 functionality, but there | are a couple things that I just HAVE to use whingee for, so I use the | least disgusting one, Win3.1.... | ... | Once we get javascript capability as a plugin for Arachne, then I won't | need to use W3.1, either, at least, much less...and I can probably | sub my OS/2 completely for anything whingdoz... | | | ============================================================================ | | 78) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 5:23:40 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I've got to get some work done. 'til later, | keep keying! | | | ============================================================================ | | 79) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 5:23:47 am | | gregy> | he he he he...that Jake....he he...yes....he's pretty quick with that | NeoPaint, or whatever he uses..... | ... | and, BTW...I kinda like your spelling of gaytz..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 80) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 5:24:36 am | | gregy> | yup...you too.....see you next time... | .. | SHEESH...!!! the Sun is UP.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 81) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 5:38:01 am | | gregy> | Glenn....there's a post about your new COREtiny, back up there aways... | ... | | Also, just now, a teensy, preliminary spot-report. It is NOT anything | for you to jump in a do something about....just ponder it, and chew it | over.... | SPOT-REPORT | COREtiny downloads pages significantly slower, on this minimalist box, | 486dlc 40MHz. | Example: | http://www.newsmax.com/ | loads in about 3:30-40 with COREtiny, | loads in about 0:50-55 with COREg183 (normal 1.83 core, from glennmcc) | | I notice some things about this/these download(s) which I have noticed | for years, about the way Arachne downloads. This is only exacerbated | by this extreme use of static overlays. | | BUT...let me research further and gather more data....beFORE you jump | in and try to "fix" it..... | FWIW...COREtiny is working as expected, and this noticeable slowing | down, is probably NOT noticeable on a P133 or higher.... | ... | I will file a more complete investigation report in a couple days.. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 82) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 12:16:35 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, Tiny still is aborting on mail download. | It seems a little better. I had 4 emails. It | usually aborts after the 2nd email. One time | it downloaded the 3rd email. It is aborting | after downloading about 80% of mail in bytes. | | ============================================================================ | | 83) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 12:29:44 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, Tiny may have downloaded all 4 messages | one time. Checking my email w/Juno sftwr I see | that one of the messages was a duplicate msg | which confused things. All 4 messages were | legitimate emails. It doesn't seem to abort | in the middle of an email but in the process | of starting the download of the next email. | | ============================================================================ | | 84) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 1:08:22 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, Tiny just d/l the 1 email I had in my | mailbox with no problems. | | | ============================================================================ | | 85) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 3:21:26 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | OK.... that's still not fixed :((( | | Delete that one a nd grab the new one. | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/tinyfoot.zip | | ============================================================================ | | 86) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 3:54:14 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, I got it.....it d/l 3 emails ok. | | ============================================================================ | | 87) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 4:25:49 pm | | glennmcc> | So far, so good. | | | If you could, please..... | | Hold-off downloading email again for quite a while. | Allow quite a few messages to acumulate on the server and give this one | a try on a 'larger scale'. | | | ============================================================================ | | 88) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 5:20:17 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, Got an abort msg after 5 files. | Only had 5 files. All 5 seemed to be in | inbox. | | ============================================================================ | | 89) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 7:05:16 pm | | glennmcc> | "Seemed to be" ??? | | Were all 5 of them there, or not ??? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 90) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 9:02:25 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | One last try..... http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/tinyfoot.zip | | If that one does not fix the aborted email downloads... I give up. | | | ============================================================================ | | 91) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 9:25:29 pm | | ray> | Glenn, are you tinkering with static/overlay issues or with | the email bug? If the latter, this is obviously still a work in | progress, so no worries. If the former, we should compare notes as | to what can and can't be overlayed since I'd like to confirm your | results here, esp as these things relate to speed vs. memory vs. | reliabliity. | | | ============================================================================ | | 92) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 9:28:24 pm | | ray> | 'more info' reports my core using 421,648 bytes and that's with | 'stock' overlays, but preliminary tests indicate big improvements | are possible without any noticable impact on performance. | | | ============================================================================ | | 93) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 9:33:34 pm | | glennmcc> | It's the 'spam freeze-up' that I'm about ready to give up on. | | | ============================================================================ | | 94) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 9:37:18 pm | | glennmcc> | As to static/overlayed in tinyfoot. | That's nothing more than an 'experimental toy' and is of no real use... | just having some fun. | | ============================================================================ | | 95) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 10:32:35 pm | | Eric> | >glennmcc> | >"Seemed to be" ??? | >Were all 5 of them there, or not ??? | | Glennmcc, I don't know what the last email | would look like if a byte or two were cut off! | | ============================================================================ | | 96) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 10:51:01 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, I just d/l 18 emails two times. NO ABORT! <:-) | Using TINYFOO4.ZIP (TINYFOOT.ZIP) the last version | from post #90 | | | ============================================================================ | | 97) Wed, Jul 06, 2005 - 10:56:48 pm | | Eric> | With Tinyfoot ver. 4, ALT-M gives 149056 (+) Dos mem. | | ============================================================================ | | 98) Thu, Jul 07, 2005 - 1:09:50 am | | Eric> | Glenn, Was it aborting d/l because the | server interpreted the break between emails | as an EOF or a break in transmission? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 99) Thu, Jul 07, 2005 - 9:20:46 am | | gregy> | Glenn, Eric, Ray.....Re: Posts #93/#94.....I believe this is caused by | the problem I mentioned about "significant download slowdown" in the | COREtiny..... | ... | I haven't yet collected/collated the data I have on this phenomonon. | .. | I suggest that it is NOT caused by the "spam email abort" at all. | You (Glenn and Ray) can keep chasing that, but I think that Eric's | problem is NOT that. | | Eric...this is just a preliminary thoughts/deductions statement...BUT | .. | I suffer "mail abort" with COREtiny, also, and my investigations show | me that it is NOT due to anything other than COREtiny's expected | download slowdown, coupled together with the TYPE of email server your | ISP is using. | | I'm sorry to say (Glenn, hold onto your cool, here.....) that | your ISP is using some trashy variant of mz$loth IIS server for your | email. | | I will post a more comprehensive report (as I said I would - and that | will be a couple days hence) as I organize my data/thoughts about this. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 100) Thu, Jul 07, 2005 - 9:25:02 am | | gregy> | Glenn....Re: "just a throwaway toy" BUT, I think the concept is worth | exploring to see how far you can push the limits. | | Certainly, at some point, it will "break the bank" and be unusable. At | some other point, it remains a usable technique, that may be viable | for some users, who have very minimal boxes, or some other problems, | that the static overlay technique(s) will help. | | So, I consider your efforts well directed. That's why I'm willing to | jump on it, and test it. | | FWIW...I think it has already given me some clues to some behavior that | I have only slightly/passingly observed over the years of using Arachne. | | | ============================================================================ | | 101) Thu, Jul 07, 2005 - 9:58:06 am | | Eric> | Gregy, My email abort occurred w/all the test cores | not just with Tinyfoot. You are right, the abort is | not because of "bad" spam email. It seems to occur | at the "break" between each email d/l. It seems to be | caused by a failure to maintain the d/l link, not by | something actually creating the break. | | ============================================================================ | | 102) Thu, Jul 07, 2005 - 2:01:31 pm | | gregy> | Eric....one way you can test it out - that it's caused by your ISP's | stupid$loth server, that is - is to clean out your normal email (POP | it first), then upload yourself 20-30 manufactured junk-emails, | addressed to yourself (keep them to resend). | .... | Then, try POPing them off your server, to your normal HDD directory, | and see what/where they abort. | ... | Re-upload them, point your maildownload to a directory on your RAMdisk, | and POP them again. | | I'm willing to propose that downloading to your RAMdisk won't abort. | ... | This is the testing that I am doing to verify the slightly sluggish | (as would be expected) download speed of COREtiny. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 103) Thu, Jul 07, 2005 - 2:59:21 pm | | ray> | Yup, tinyfoot might itself be disposable, but the information gained | vis. how far we can push things will be valuable. | | | ============================================================================ | | 104) Thu, Jul 07, 2005 - 4:45:45 pm | | glennmcc> | To all..... | | There is one difference and only one difference between each of thos | 'tiny foot print' cores. | | The 'spam freeze-up' code and nothing else. | | #s 1 through 4 include 4 different variations of it. | | #5 which did not cause any aborts for Eric has that code 100% removed. | | Is that proof enough that the cause of the aborts is in-fact that code ? | | ============================================================================ | | 105) Thu, Jul 07, 2005 - 5:45:19 pm | | gregy> | Hmmm...if I understand you, you have identified the "spam freeze-up" | code....definitively...??? | | Is that the same code that was the source of Bastiaan's and Christof's | email problems...??? | | And, if this is true, and if you have completely understood it and | removed it from CORE(whtever)....and, if it indeed proves out to | consistently NOT cause any aborts..... | | then.... | | YES..!!! | | we would have to agree that "that (is) proof enough"..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 106) Thu, Jul 07, 2005 - 6:06:44 pm | | Eric> | Hi Gregy, My only mailbox on this machine is | on RAMdisk. My whole installation is on RAMdisk. | I don't really notice any slowdown with this Tinyfoot | core. My HDD is not used for anything in this Arachne | installation. The only time it is called on is when I | ALT-E to DOS and perform operations using BAT files | and utilities I have stored on HDD from the CMD line. | | | ============================================================================ | | 107) Thu, Jul 07, 2005 - 6:24:54 pm | | Eric> | Based on Glenn's post#104 it seems to me that my | ISP doesn't like a time delay imposed by Glenn's | "spam checking code" which seems to occur between | each individual email download. Watching the sliding | bar meter of my Juno software I don't see Juno pausing | between individual emails as they are downloaded. | Juno seems to download them as a block and then process | that block. If I have too many emails stored in my inbox | Juno downloads the emails but tells me none were downloaded. | After I delete enough emails so that I'm below the limit, then | Juno software processes the emails stored in some file and puts | them into my inbox. | | ============================================================================ | | 108) Thu, Jul 07, 2005 - 8:17:32 pm | | gregy> | Ahhhh...I see, Eric....I had it sorta backwards. I thought Glenn's | fix was to PUT the spam-checking/correcting code into the COREtiny | code. Not to take it out.... | | And...I'm always, now, downloading email onto my RAMdisk...and have done | for the past couple years. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 109) Sat, Jul 09, 2005 - 5:07:56 pm | | ray> | Hey Gregy, you going to try build 7 or not? Let me know so I can | plan accordingly. | | | ============================================================================ | | 110) Sat, Jul 09, 2005 - 8:52:22 pm | | gregy> | Yeah, I am....ermmm...if I can find it amoung the rest of the stuff | (notice how I politely avoided the term "junk".........) | on my box.... | .. | I was going to, right away, but got sidetracked. You know....middle | aged mind...??? | ... | | I'll try to unpack it and get it cooking tonight... | | I conclude that it doesn't need anyother ARACHNE.CFG than that one | we modified and used with r6a1...???? | | | ============================================================================ | | 111) Sat, Jul 09, 2005 - 9:26:16 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | That's correct, just drop it in. The protocol for this sort of thing | should be that I send you anything you need that's different. Oh, and | I quite understand that you've other stuff to test too, just let me | know where I stand. I don't know if Eric is still using it or not | so I'm not sure how it's prooving out, I'd like a bit more testing | before I sign off on it. BTW did you notice on the other board, | I'm using a smaller stack for 250K free memory, and Glenn's having | sucsess with that too :-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 112) Sat, Jul 09, 2005 - 10:30:32 pm | | gregy> | Yes, I saw that....I'm not sure what that portends.... | .. | Re: That core you were talking about on the a4dosList, that used an | external file for all the Arachne internal keywords, etc...???? | ... | I would like to see the core, at least, write them out to an external | file, whether or not it ever went back to them for operational use. | ... | .. | Re: Build-7....I'll try to unpack and put it in motion, later tonight. | ... | Right now, I'm trying to coordinate with Jake some urgent changes on | our AVA site... | | | ============================================================================ | | 113) Sat, Jul 09, 2005 - 11:14:32 pm | | ray> | Re: external keywords, if I did it that way, core would depend on | that file to know what the keywords are, it would then write them | out with their values into config.log as per normal. | | Whats AVA? | | | ============================================================================ | | 114) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 12:35:30 am | | gregy> | No...have core write them out, THEN let core continue on, as now is | usual, using them internally. The "extra file" would be only a record | of what they are, NOT something core had to use during operation. | ... | | AVA....the "Other Place" you've been there...??? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 115) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 12:37:52 am | | gregy> | arachne.virtualave.net....sans the www. You can check the chat, and | even post anonymous, although we request that you ID yourself in the | body of your post. | .. | Or, you can actually register your nickname, password, etc, and be a | fullfledged member.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 116) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 2:17:51 am | | Eric> | Hi Guys, | It got sorta quiet on this board for a while! | Ray, I'm writing this with Build-7 core installed. | | ============================================================================ | | 117) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 2:25:08 am | | Eric> | Just downloaded 4 emails with out a hitch using | Build-7 core. Strange, I'm sure it was aborting | during download before. I didn't change anything | except the core. Maybe it depends on amount of | traffic at the email server, This should be a | light traffic time. | | | ============================================================================ | | 118) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 8:36:09 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Then there are the times when something's wrong with your ISP or | your connection or whatever. I learned long ago not to conclude | it's a software problem every time something goes wrong. Of course | this makes testing and error reporting a pain in the neck, because | if some new core aborts, it's probably the core's fault, but you | can't be sure. | | Re: ava ... I forgot about that! | | | ============================================================================ | | 119) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 11:22:36 am | | Eric> | Ray, I never had any trouble downloading any email | with Juno's own software. When Arachne was balking, | Juno's own software was working fine. Right now | Arachne with Build-7 is working fine for upto | 6 emails downloaded to my inbox. | | ============================================================================ | | 120) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 4:59:30 pm | | ray> | Yup, when you're not sure who's to blame, it's great to jump | imeditately to some other program and see if it works -- that | tend to emiminate other possibilities. There's no experimental | email code in B7, so if it does give you any trouble it would | probably be some bug of mine -- let's hope not ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 121) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 5:03:16 pm | | ray> | I just spend the last week working on a big restructure of the | files/functions and I'm almost at the point where I can say I have a | flow chart for Arachne's functions. It's mind breaking work since | the functions are all interconnected and you can't move anything | without disturbing everything, still I'm almost there. | | | ============================================================================ | | 122) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 9:44:50 pm | | Eric> | Ray, That flow chart sounds interesting. I sure would | like to see it when your ready. | | ============================================================================ | | 123) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:09:57 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Sure. It won't be much to look at but it will contain every | function call in a heirachical listing starting with main() and | working down to the ground floor. All the data will be there | that's needed for a graphical tree, if I can figure out how to | make the conversion, maybe someone will be able to figure that out | even if I can't. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 124) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:11:23 pm | | gregy> | Ray... | Re: COREr6b7...aka build-7....I just swapped it into my standard | COREtestbed183 install, and found the following: | 1. Trying to load this message board....stalled at 3000, 4500 bytes, | refused to complete the download. | 2. Trying to load the MISC message board.....stalled at 3500 bytes, | finally completed the downloaded at approx 45sec. Did this 3 times. | 3. Immediately restored the normal CORE, and retired: | This board, == ~14 sec. (these are average times over multiple tries) | MISC board, == ~11 sec. (ditto ) | 4. Swapped back-and-forth between COREr6b7 and CORE0rst and the | results were the same. | | This was over a period of about 10-15 minutes, with the results | averaged. This swap/swap/swap/swap type test pretty well eliminates | the ISP, the target website, the general InterNet paths. | | | ============================================================================ | | 125) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:12:10 pm | | gregy> | ah...hi Ray | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 126) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:13:09 pm | | gregy> | NOTE - I am not, now, posting using COREr6b7, since I cannot get it to | complete a download of this board... | .. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 127) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:20:35 pm | | gregy> | NOTE - I am now posting using COREr6b7. It stalled at 3000, waited for | about 30 sec. then resumed d/l and stalled at 4500 for about 30 sec. | then resumed and stalled at 6000bytes for about 45 sec. then resumes and | stalled, again at 6500 sec. for quite some time, then finally completed | the download at 3:37 min:sec..... | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 128) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:21:59 pm | | gregy> | NOTE - I just posted and waited for the refresh....it refreshed in 44 | sec. | | | ============================================================================ | | 129) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:23:17 pm | | gregy> | NOTE - just posted and refreshed in 50sec. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 130) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:25:14 pm | | gregy> | NOTE - swapped to CORE0rst and re-accessed. Completed d/l 29 sec. | | | ============================================================================ | | 131) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:26:08 pm | | gregy> | NOTE - CORE0rst == 19 sec. | | | ============================================================================ | | 132) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:26:41 pm | | gregy> | CORE0rst == 15 sec. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 133) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:33:06 pm | | gregy> | COREr6b7 == 1:45 | | | ============================================================================ | | 134) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:36:49 pm | | gregy> | COREr6b7 == 1:35 | | | ============================================================================ | | 135) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:38:14 pm | | gregy> | COREr6b7 == 1:09 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 136) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:39:31 pm | | gregy> | COREr6b7 == 0:51 | | | ============================================================================ | | 137) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:40:50 pm | | gregy> | CORE)rst == 0:15 | | | ============================================================================ | | 138) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:41:25 pm | | gregy> | CORE0rst == 0:12 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 139) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:41:55 pm | | gregy> | CORE0rst == 0:11 | | | ============================================================================ | | 140) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 10:42:36 pm | | gregy> | CORE0rst == 0:18 | | | ============================================================================ | | 141) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 11:08:48 pm | | gregy> | Just tried COREr6b7, twice: | 1. Stalled at 2500bytes. I went and fixed a snack, talked to one of | my neighbors, loaned him some coffee grounds for morning coffee, got | the snack set down beside me, and terminated the attempted download | ...time == >20 minutes. | 2. Stalled at 2500/3000/3500bytes. I munched on my snack, went outside | and spoke to my cats, came back in and munched some more, finally | terminated the attempted download...time == >7 minutes. | 3. Swapped in CORE0rst and came back here..time == 0.19 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 142) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 11:11:08 pm | | gregy> | NOTE - all the previous downloads/attempts were with "Show 11 messages" | ...this time, I selected "Show 32 messages" | CORE0rst == 0:14 | | | ============================================================================ | | 143) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 11:18:36 pm | | gregy> | This time, went off to Glenn's AQC and COREr6b7 == 0:19 | | Came back here, and COREr6b7 == 0:41 | | | ============================================================================ | | 144) Sun, Jul 10, 2005 - 11:20:25 pm | | gregy> | COREr6b7 == 1:14 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 145) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 1:30:42 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Somethings different between your setup | and mine. I just got 0.07 for donwload of this board | set at 11 msgs. | | ============================================================================ | | 146) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 1:35:16 am | | Eric> | Just downloaded again w/64 msgs. in 0.16 | I'm using same build as Gregy I think. | Arachne 183:B-6 at top of page. Core | was unzipped from Build-7.zip | | ============================================================================ | | 147) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 1:45:04 am | | Eric> | Ray, Your right, it would be nice if that | stylesheets thingy could be toggled. I find | it to be a fairly common annoyance while | surfing. | | | ============================================================================ | | 148) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 3:37:35 am | | gregy> | Eric....yup...just now COREr6b7 (that's the one unzipped from Build-7) | downloaded this "11 messages" page in 0:49..... | .... | The standard 1.83 CORE(0rst) regularly d/ls it in about 12-15sec. And, | I am beginning to catch a suspicion that it is maybe due to different | settings in our ARACHNE.CFGs. But, all the standard COREs (1.71, 1.81, | 1.83, 1.85) seem to work just about the same. | | I am only having problems with these COREs of Ray's. And, most of that | trouble is because he uses non-standard defaults in his compiles. | ... | But, I'm not gonna get hot-involved with jinking my .CFG settings around | to try to track down where his defaults are different from the standard | one. | | FWIW, this COREr6b7 does surf around to other sites, without as much | difficulty as this site. It is possible that my ISP's servers just do | not like the defaults in his COREs, and are doing an intermittant baulk | to stall the downloads.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 149) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 3:45:41 am | | gregy> | Ray...I also notice this COREr6b7 does NOT allow me to break out of the | download by pressing any Hotkey, other than "R".....all the standard | COREs respond to normal Hotkeys to abort a download. This one does not. | ... | I also notice the red "CNM TBS" notification on the righthand StatusBar. | ... | Not sure if that seems helpful, or neutral. | .. | Also, all your COREs have a very short "DownloadStatus-SlidingBar" | window which overrides one of the "time" readings. Also, those time | readings. Previously, the far-right one was "time-online" while the | other, slightly left of it, was the actual clock-time. Is that still | true...?? | | | ============================================================================ | | 150) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 3:47:02 am | | gregy> | this refresh, COREr6b7 == 0:49..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 151) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 4:01:14 am | | gregy> | COREg185 == 0:13 | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 152) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 4:19:22 am | | gregy> | yes...I just answered my own question....the "time clocks" are still | the same.. | | | ============================================================================ | | 153) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 5:41:44 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Why is your CNM red in the lower right status bar? | All I have there is a green CNM and a red TIME ON LINE. | I also have a black CURRENT TIME. | | | ============================================================================ | | 154) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 7:21:49 am | | ray> | Yikes, too much feedback -- it never rains but it pours :-) | | Re: speed, it is probably as you say, a change in some default, | as I said before, I changed a dozen of them at Glenn's suggestion, | but the result is that comparisions between cores are more | difficult. However, there's no problem with forcing the setting | with a keyword, that way my cores and Glenn's will be singing from | the same page. The changes are documented, so it wouldn't take | 2 minutes to keyword them. | | ============================================================================ | | 155) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 7:25:58 am | | ray> | Re: breakout of download, that's a feature not a bug! A break in | downloading should be deliberate and NOT caused by pressing any key | at random, don't you think? | | ============================================================================ | | 156) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 7:27:37 am | | ray> | Oh, I download this with 11 msg in 5 seconds on a 56K modem. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 157) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 7:22:49 pm | | glennmcc> | Too slow Ray. | | My time with v1.85 is only 3sec | | BRB with the D/L time for all messages | | ============================================================================ | | 158) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 7:23:22 pm | | glennmcc> | All messages == 19sec | | ============================================================================ | | 159) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 10:20:38 pm | | ray> | I've never though of this a a performance test, but I quess it is | now, BRB with a 1.83 test ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 160) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 10:25:16 pm | | gregy> | all messages, COREg183 == 0:51 | .. | he he he...my own board, on my own ISP treats me like a "second-class | citizen"..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 161) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 10:26:15 pm | | gregy> | hey...where are you...??? | | Ray.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 162) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 10:27:33 pm | | ray> | ... | | 1.83: | 4 sec for 11, 17 for all | mine: | 5 sec for 11, 17 for all. | | But, I have that extra code that allows me to page down | automaticaly, so I think that buys me that extra second ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 163) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 10:28:01 pm | | gregy> | I can only get 0:10 - 0:14 on 11 messages... | .. | I guess some of the difference is our respective ISPs.. | .. | ...and our respective dialup lines.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 164) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 10:28:43 pm | | gregy> | 'bout time you got back.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 165) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 10:29:15 pm | | ray> | Hey Gregy, try that and tell me what you think: add '#end' to the | end of the URL for this board and it'll page to the end automagicaly | -- I love it. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 166) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 10:31:01 pm | | gregy> | yep....love it, too........and...ole Mister Modesty McC says | he's not responsible, but he is........to a large extent, | anyway.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 167) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 10:32:35 pm | | ray> | Glenn, where I am slower than you is on startup which is a bit of | a bummer. I expect to be slower normaly since my core does so much | more work on startup, but even when using config.dat I'm still a | wee bit slower :( which bugs me since config.dat should mean that | I do *less* work on startup -- so much for theory. | | | ============================================================================ | | 168) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 10:33:27 pm | | gregy> | Re: too much feedback...yes...I agree....and I shouldn't have done it | that way. In future, I'll take a series of readings (all recorded in | my handy spiralbound Steno notebook, which I keep on my rightside | table) and then report them all in one post.... | .. | I was behaving "brain-dumped".... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 169) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 10:33:40 pm | | ray> | G' night lads, mailman's bead time. | | | ============================================================================ | | 170) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 10:35:52 pm | | gregy> | Re: "feature or bug".....hmmm...let me play with it further, and see | how it fits. Yes, intentional, but, no, any key poked during d/l of | a page should be assumed to be "intentional"....(unless the cat does | it....and .... then....BAD CAT...!!!!)..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 171) Mon, Jul 11, 2005 - 10:37:10 pm | | gregy> | yes...you'd better hit the hay....especially since you're starting to | "blur your spelling"...(bead....he he...I say...that's a kinda lumpy | place to sleep.......) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 172) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 3:00:51 am | | gregy> | Back now posting using ArachneOS2, which is a standard v.1.83 installed | on a native OS/2 RAMdisk, using the standard Arachne Miniterm/EPPPD | for connection, instead of the native OS/2 DUN. | ... | I'm getting 115,584bytes DOS free mem ONLINE, which isn't too bad, and | I think I can increase that by loading a bunch more stuff HIGH. This | OS/2 lets me do that, and doesn't seem to impose a limit on how much I | can "LOAD HI"....we'll see.... | ... | Maybe I'll start using this install for COREtests.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 173) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 7:18:01 am | | ray> | What about that old trick that let you attach the mono video memory | to conventional low memory? I used to do that on my machines in the | old days but can't do it any more since I use dual monitors. | | | ============================================================================ | | 174) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 7:55:39 am | | Eric> | Ray, Why do you run dual monitors? Do they both show the same screen or | are you multitasked with different programs on each monitor? | | | ============================================================================ | | 175) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 3:19:37 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Some old DOS programs (like BCC 3.1) let you use two monitors, eg. | Borland lets you use one monitor for looking at the source code while | the other shows you the program output. Otherwise I use the mono | monitor as a sort of clip board. I have a TSR that, when a hotkey | is pressed, copies the contents of the VGA to the mono screen, and | I use it constantly. For example, say I'm looking at some source code | and I want to do a global search for some complex string; I just | 'clip' the screen, shell to DOS, refer to the mono screen while | typing in my search string, then 'clip' the results so that when | I return to my source code in Borland, I know which files I might | want to open. Can't live without it. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 176) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 4:30:57 pm | | glennmcc> | Current D/L time for all messages... 20sec | | ============================================================================ | | 177) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 6:07:31 pm | | ray> | 17 sec, but after downloading all msg. I couldn't get to the bottom | so as to write something with either mine or 1.83, am I doing something | wrong? | | | ============================================================================ | | 178) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 7:09:32 pm | | Eric> | I just tried to download all msgs on this board. I got 170 msgs and that | was the end of the page. I could not page down to enter a posting. I | pressed F4 and the bottom of the source was not there. The last line | of the source was posting 170. What's up ? | I had to go back to my HOTLIST to get a page where I could enter a | posting. | | ============================================================================ | | 179) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 7:10:25 pm | | glennmcc> | How many messages did it show ? | | All 176 ? | | Or did the page download get aborted and only say 150 of the 176 show ? | | ============================================================================ | | 180) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 7:11:56 pm | | glennmcc> | | | Hi Eric | | Yep... that's what's happening. | | The server is aborting the download before it has finished. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 181) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 7:13:18 pm | | glennmcc> | new test... all 180 messages... complete download... 15sec | | ============================================================================ | | 182) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 7:37:27 pm | | glennmcc> | Now let's see how FireFox v1./0.3 in Win98 performs | | ============================================================================ | | 183) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 7:38:07 pm | | glennmcc> | 13sec | | | ============================================================================ | | 184) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 7:55:35 pm | | Eric> | Tried it again....all msgs. Only got 168 msgs this time. | Have to delete this page HTM from cache...then load page | from HOTLIST to get back to bottom of this board. | | ============================================================================ | | 185) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 8:00:07 pm | | glennmcc> | Just hit R for 'reload' and you'll be back to 11 showing. | | ============================================================================ | | 186) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 8:01:05 pm | | glennmcc> | FireFox v1.0.3 in Slackware Linux v10......... 12sec | | | ============================================================================ | | 187) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 8:03:22 pm | | glennmcc> | Mozilla v1.7.5 in Slackware Linux v10 ....... 12sec | | ============================================================================ | | 188) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 8:06:15 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I have a program somewhere that setup pseudo-multitasking | in I think 9 different windows with my XT. It was limited in | use back then because of too little memory. I tried to setup | 2 monitors back then but was not successful. It sounds like | a very handy setup. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 189) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 8:06:39 pm | | glennmcc> | Konqueror 3.3.2 in Slackware Linux v10 .... 12sec | | | ============================================================================ | | 190) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 8:07:33 pm | | glennmcc> | pretty danged consistant | | ============================================================================ | | 191) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 8:11:21 pm | | Eric> | Thanks Glenn, "R" did it! Why does it abort at 72,500 bytes | in the download. | | ============================================================================ | | 192) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 8:54:45 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Up, it is. I have the worlds last motherboard built with an ISA | slot (for the mono card), when it fails I don't know what I'm gonna | do, I'll be forced to use older boards unless I can figure out | how the video memory works with PCI multiple monitors and adapt my | TSR to that. God know where I'd find that out :( | | | | ============================================================================ | | 193) Tue, Jul 12, 2005 - 10:05:35 pm | | gregy> | Well, looks like a busy evening on the board.... | ... | I just started. It's been 100F here most of the afternoon, and I'm not | gonna run my computer(s) when it's that hot.....I need the need to | replace them, like I need a hole in the head.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 194) Wed, Jul 13, 2005 - 3:10:41 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Just set a block of dry ice inside the | computer enclosure. | | ============================================================================ | | 195) Wed, Jul 13, 2005 - 6:57:05 am | URL | | glennmcc> | Yep, | | Keeping your machine cool _does_ improve performance. :)) | | http://totl.net/Eunuch/index.html | | | | ============================================================================ | | 196) Wed, Jul 13, 2005 - 4:27:13 pm | | ray> | Hey Gregy, sounds like you've finaly got some Summer there, it's | still cool, wet and gloomy here in Vancouver, just like it's been | since April :( | | | ============================================================================ | | 197) Wed, Jul 13, 2005 - 7:18:22 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, An interesting experiment. Only they didn't | test it with Arachne. <:-( This machine I'm using | was originally a Gateway 2000 4SX-33 (486SX-33). | | ============================================================================ | | 198) Wed, Jul 13, 2005 - 8:12:09 pm | | glennmcc> | And just how far have you got it overclocked | | My P-150 is overclocked to 180mhz via its FSB and clock multipier jumper | settings. ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 199) Wed, Jul 13, 2005 - 8:13:36 pm | | glennmcc> | Not too bad to get a 20% increase in speed by simply moveing a couple of | jumpers. ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 200) Wed, Jul 13, 2005 - 8:19:41 pm | | glennmcc> | Just-as by following Ray's lead, I now have 41kb better memory stats by | simply reducing Arachne's stack size from 65500 bytes to only 24000 bytes. | :) | | ============================================================================ | | 201) Wed, Jul 13, 2005 - 10:09:43 pm | | gregy> | Glenn....do you still want some more testing on COREtiny...??? | ... | And, I can only run my boxes from about 10-11 pm on...so I'm not getting | too much computer time.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 202) Wed, Jul 13, 2005 - 10:30:06 pm | | gregy> | Eric....you know...I just thought about that....dryice is frozen CO2. | .... | If I put a block inside the computer case, it might asphixiate all the | poor wittle bugs in my equipment..... | ... | I surely wouldn't wanna get P.E.T.A. down on me for "animal cruelty" | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 203) Thu, Jul 14, 2005 - 4:31:36 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Carbonmonoxide is what latches on to the | oxygen receptors in the blood and is the silent killer. | As long as the fans are running I think there will be | enough oxygen for survival. However, any bugs | trying to traverse that block of CO2 will experience | a little frostbite to their tootsies. | | ============================================================================ | | 204) Thu, Jul 14, 2005 - 4:45:22 am | | Eric> | Glenn, I don't have it overclocked. I does have a pentium | overdrive chip for CPU. The overdrive chip was installed | when I acquired this machine. I was given this machine as | a discard/donation. Since it is a Gateway it isn't exactly | generic IBM. I don't have a lot of stats on it so I didn't | mess with it very much. That's one reason it has no sound. | Don't you get out of stack size messages? I haven't had an | out of stack message in a long time but I can remember getting | them when I used to write a lot of BASIC programs. | | | ============================================================================ | | 205) Thu, Jul 14, 2005 - 4:58:29 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Did you check out Glenn's link in post#195? | | ============================================================================ | | 206) Thu, Jul 14, 2005 - 6:10:51 am | | Eric> | Help.....I just ran SPYBOTSD on my W$doze machine and | now I have lost all my email folders in my Juno email | program. Can anyone help me? <:-( | | ============================================================================ | | 207) Thu, Jul 14, 2005 - 1:08:55 pm | | ray> | Eric, can you unerase them from DOS? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 208) Thu, Jul 14, 2005 - 2:23:02 pm | | Eric> | Thanks Ray, They aren't exactly erased. Juno puts | the individual emails into a file for each folder. | Then it uses a directory to identify each folder/file. | Since my last post I figured out the directory was | erased/screwed up so the Juno program started creating | new folders. The problem is the folders/files are not | pure text but mixed with other garbage. It's a mess | but maybe salvagable with time. The aggrivating part | is that SPYBOTSD, a program that's supposed to get rid | of spyware seems to have done the damage. I did a thorough | 3-4 hr scan w/nortonAV and found no viruses. Then I used | Spybotsd, which pointed to some spyware and deleted it. | Then when I ran my Juno email my folders had disappeared. | | | ============================================================================ | | 209) Thu, Jul 14, 2005 - 7:42:40 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | All those headaches are exactly why I stick to Arachne for all | email, aborts or no aborts (BTW I myself had a few of those this | morning, I think it was a bad connection). | | Which reminds me: why don't we build in some sort of connection | quality monitor? I know there are programs that can do that, and | if we attached one to a hotkey, or even an APM, would't it be nice | to be able to verify one's connection quality before doing some | huge download/upload? | | | ============================================================================ | | 210) Fri, Jul 15, 2005 - 12:16:22 am | | gregy> | Eric....#195...???...well, I did, now..........unfortunately, | that kinda clinical experimenting MUST be done by younger fellas, since | I'm long past that stage of my life, and dry for over 30 years....but.. | I can remember the sheer THRILL of "giving 'er the ol' smoke test" | ....with a can o sumpin in hand.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 211) Fri, Jul 15, 2005 - 2:36:39 am | | Eric> | Ray, The problem is in this "democratic" world the majority | seem to be riding the M$ft wave. Kind of like going down the | Niagra river or the Athabaska river in a kayak. I guess for | them the thrill is so great that they don't mind being upside | down and rolling over in the rapids, totally out of control | and unable to see where they're going. They know where the | river flows to and they figure they'll get there eventually. | Of course they could go over land and reach the same destination | in half the time, BUT they would have to be able to read a compass. | I PREFER ARACHNE but they insist on using software which is | incompatible with Arachne so to survive I have to deal with | messes like this. | | ============================================================================ | | 212) Fri, Jul 15, 2005 - 3:25:25 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Yeah, aint it the truth. I am lucky enough that I can get and read | almost all my mail via Arachne, may it long continue thus. | | | ============================================================================ | | 213) Fri, Jul 15, 2005 - 6:02:08 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | re:"I PREFER ARACHNE but they insist on using software which is | incompatible with Arachne so to survive I have to deal with | messes like this." | | Forgive me for my ignorence here.... | | Who are the 'they' you are refering to ? | | And what _they_ have to do with _your_ email ? | | Why do need to use Juno for your email ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 214) Fri, Jul 15, 2005 - 7:56:44 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, They refers to all those who refuse to use "universal" | standards for webpage/internet design and instead use M$ft "rules" to | design "internet-ware" intended for use by the masses. Internet-ware | includes both hardware and software, eg. winmodems, server software, | webpage generating software, etc. I don't NEED (life or death) to | use Juno, but I don't really want to change my email addresses right | now. So, to keep my email address I have to use Juno. | Just now I "lost" this whole post because when I logged on to the | internet to send it the page refreshed. But since I am using Arachne | to write this I was able to retrieve it from textarea.tmp very easily. | If I were using my W$doze computer I would have been forced to re-write | the whole thing. | Sidenote: When I typed "thing" it came out "thong". It never | occurred to me there such little difference between a thing and a thong. | | ============================================================================ | | 215) Fri, Jul 15, 2005 - 8:15:03 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I can get and read email with Arachne. <:-) | I can't send email with Arachne. Also my Arachne | computer doesn't have a large enough HDD to store | the email. <:-( | | ============================================================================ | | 216) Fri, Jul 15, 2005 - 8:23:48 pm | | glennmcc> | So ... you don't want to change email addresses. | | I gots the perfect solution for you. | | Get yourself a free Yahoo mail account. | | Set it up to grab your JUNO email over to the Yahoo account. | | Send and recieve email via the Yahoo web mail interface with Archne. | | BRB | | | ============================================================================ | | 217) Fri, Jul 15, 2005 - 8:52:27 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | There we go. | | 6 screen caps of Arachne used to retrieve a test message sent by | Arachne to my address at MyRealBox.com and then retrieved via the Yahoo | WebMail interface. | | ============================================================================ | | 218) Sat, Jul 16, 2005 - 12:01:08 am | | Eric> | Glenn, Am I not just adding to the complexity and asking for more | problems by retrieving my Juno email from Yahoo? Also, does Yahoo | provide free pop3 amd smpt service? Seems like I tried Yahoo and | had some problems.....One of them being that they keep changing | things rather often, just like Juno does which always seems to make | things more difficult instead of easier for me. And their webpages | are so complex (read slow) that they are frustrating. | | ============================================================================ | | 219) Sat, Jul 16, 2005 - 7:43:55 am | | Eric> | Ray, I think I forgot to tell you that I had a lockup with Build-7 | during my email snafu. It was caused again by the GIF troll. Message | was insufficient memory for animated gif. Had to use 3 fingers and | reinstall Arachne. You have done something with that GIF stuff that | does more than give a printed warning. | | | ============================================================================ | | 220) Sat, Jul 16, 2005 - 8:31:46 am | | ray> | Eric, | | I did fool around in there a bit -- just optimizations by intention, | but I may have busted something, it would probably take 5 minutes to | find it if you could give me a URL for an offending GIF but it is | 100 x more difficult to hunt for a bug that you can't see. When you | got that message, was it in fact accurate? I mean if you increased your | xms4allgifskb did it fix it? Anyway, it shouldn't hang, just | continue, so that's a flaw for sure. | | | ============================================================================ | | 221) Sat, Jul 16, 2005 - 9:28:22 am | | Eric> | Ray, Again, I don't know the page or gif. It was just a link | from another page I had clicked on. Like I said I was more concerned | with my email at the time. I'm assuming that setting the xms4allgifskb | would probably have fixed it, but with Arachne locked up, an immediate | adjustment ain't possible. <:-( I'm usually not anxious to lockup | Arachne again anyway since I have to then reinstall it to Ramdisk which | takes a little brain functioning I'm often too tired to perform. | | ============================================================================ | | 222) Sat, Jul 16, 2005 - 10:22:45 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Yeah, I guess as a tester, the ramdisk thing isn't optimal, since | it's the nature of the job that one courts trouble. My GIF experiments | were done with "http://www.keveney.com/Atkinson.html" | 'xms4allgifskb 15000' is enough to run it; with less, it beeps | prints "Sorry, Arachne doesn't have enough memory to animate this GIF | ..." delays 5 seconds and then shows the first frame of the GIF, | but there is no hang or other trouble. Can you confirm? Anyway, | it shouldn't hang ever, so if it does, that's a bug unless there | was some other trouble due to the difficulties you were having. | | BTW for what it's worth, I agree with Glenn that you might consider | moving away from Juno to a provider that is less quirky, sure there's | that 'change of address' stage while you transition, but I'll be | you'd be happy in the long run. | | | ============================================================================ | | 223) Sat, Jul 16, 2005 - 10:27:54 am | | ray> | Oh, one more thing: This ramdisk instalation, I presumed that you've | automated the whole opperation with a batch file, but what you say | about 'brain function' makes me question that. And do you use the | standard installer? ... thought I heard you mention that ... I'd just | have all my files unpacked in a hard disk directory and xcopy them | to ramdisk via batchfile. Or even have them installed from a .zip | if space is short, the install program is a bit repetitive IMHO | for daily use. | | | ============================================================================ | | 224) Sat, Jul 16, 2005 - 12:15:15 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Because of all the cores, CFG files, BAT files etc that I'm switch | ing around I have files on several floppies. Then there's the little | changes you guys recommend I have to keep track of. Then there's a | couple of changes if I have to go back to 1.77 install, like cookies & | some other TB extension. And my HDD has exactly 176,128 bytes free on | my DOS machine. I don't feel like making any major changes right now | and accidently losing something or futzing things up. In other words, | I'm not about to change the status quo any more than I'm forced to. | I have a bunch of "nested" batch files that start and exit Arachne. | Well, I just locked up my DOS machine so I have to install Arachne now. | | | ============================================================================ | | 225) Sat, Jul 16, 2005 - 12:31:36 pm | | Eric> | Ray, It just took me 3 1/2 min. to install Arachne 1.83 so I can | dial up and surf. That doesn't include mail setup. Takes longer than | that just to boot up my W$doze machine. But to make sure I'm testing | things right for you I have to start using my aged (pronounced age...ed) | brain to switch to the right files | . | | | ============================================================================ | | 226) Sun, Jul 17, 2005 - 2:59:04 pm | | gregy> | Good grief...!!! I have been tweaking with my DRDOS load environment, | and I just achieved 182,704bytes ONLINE... For all the past 5-6 years | Good grief...!!! I have been tweaking with my DRDOS load environment, | Good grief...!!! I have been tweaking with my DRDOS load environment, | and I just achieved 182,704bytes ONLINE... For all the past 5-6 years | and I just achieved 182,704bytes ONLINE... For all the past 5-6 years | running Arachne, I have ONLY best been running at 112,???bytes ONLINE, | and now, finally getting EPPPD to HILOAD, I'm ONLINE with that big | and now, finally getting EPPPD to HILOAD, I'm ONLINE with that big | 182,704bytes...sheesh..!!! | I don't know what affect this will have on my surfing performance, but | it doesn't seem to be hurting it any..... | it doesn't seem to be hurting it any..... | ... | Now, I'm sure that some of you "super-gurus" have even more DOS mem | free, but this is a gigantic increase for me. And, I'm sure, I can | achieve even more when I get done tweaking my DOS VDM in OS/2... | | | ============================================================================ | | 227) Sun, Jul 17, 2005 - 3:38:11 pm | | gregy> | Eric....Re: your reload procedure. I take the extreme | liberty of making the following suggestion(s). These | are for your contemplation, only, as you may/will probably | need to vary it for your exact needs. | 1. Have 3-4 blank, formatted, 1.44Mbyte floppies ready. | 2. Do your normal, complete, install-to-RAMdisk, and | setup (everything, including email), and personalization. | 3. XCOPY *.xyz /e /s /v just your total RAMdisk directory | structure down onto each/all of the floppies. NOTE - the | *.XYZ argument will only copy empty directories, unless | you actually DO have some files on the RAMdisk with an | extension of .XYZ. | 4. Now, do the XCOPY *.* /s /v /? operation that will | cause xcopy to use the "reset the archive bit" method | to xcopy-down from your RAMdisk until the 1st floppy | is full, then swap floppies, and xcopy (from where it | left off) the uncopied files down onto the 2nd floppy | (until it's full), then xcopy, again (from where it left | off) the uncopied files down onto the 3rd floppy (until | it's full). Ad finitum (to the end - finish......). | | This will give you a fully-setup/personalized Arachne | RAMdisk installation on 2-4 floppies, which will only | need to be XCOPYed up from floppies to RAMdisk to be | completely "ready-to-go" immediately, without any re-setup | and personalization. | | ============================================================================ | | 228) Sun, Jul 17, 2005 - 3:41:51 pm | | gregy> | I list the XCOPY arguments as /s /v /? since, I recall that each DOS | may have slightly different arguments/switches to be put in the "/?" | spot, when doing the xcopy "reset-the-archive-bit" operation. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 229) Sun, Jul 17, 2005 - 3:48:00 pm | | gregy> | Ray....in Eric's individual circumstances (i.e. very limited HDD space), | his use of RAMdisk for COREtesting is not as optimal as your use, or | my use, since he is having to "re-install Arachne" each time he loads | his RAMdisk, rather that just re-uploading from his HDD to his RAMdisk | as you and I are doing. | ... | I have just given him a (possibly useful) procedure for getting his | fully-installed/customized RAMdisk Arachne Install down-copied onto | 2-4 1.44Mbyte floppies, which can then be uploaded to his RAMdisk | without his having to go thru the time/mental-effort of re-installing | and re-customizing. | Maybe he can take the suggestion and "customize" it for his own specific | installation... | | | ============================================================================ | | 230) Sun, Jul 17, 2005 - 3:50:13 pm | | gregy> | FWIW....Eric is doing what I used to do back in the '80s on my old XT, | which had no HDD (and, after I broke down and installed on, only 30Mb | HDD). He's using his 1.44Mbyte floppies to good advantage... | | | ============================================================================ | | 231) Sun, Jul 17, 2005 - 4:47:54 pm | | glennmcc> | Try this instead....... | | Setup your 1st Arachne install on RamDrive | | Place a blank formatted floppy in drive A: | | pkzip.exe -ex -rP a:\arachne1.zip | ram_drive_letter:\arachne_main_dir_name\*.* | | Setup your 2nd Arachne install on RamDrive | | Place a 2nd blank formatted floppy in drive A: | | pkzip.exe -ex -rP a:\arachne2.zip | ram_drive_letter:\arachne_main_dir_name\*.* | | Continue for as many different setups as you want. | (or until you run out of floppies) | | Now to re-install the 1st one.... | | Place the floppy containing arachne1.zip into drive A: | | pkunzip.exe -d a:\arachne1.zip ram_drive_letter:\ | | Here's the dir listing of all of my versions of Arachne ZIPs | | If any of the ZIPs get too big to fit on one floppy.... | | pkzip.exe -ex -rP -& a:\arachne2.zip | ram_drive_letter:\arachne_main_dir_name\*.* | __________________^^<-- That -& option spans disks as needed. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 232) Sun, Jul 17, 2005 - 7:40:13 pm | | gregy> | Yep...that'll work, too.......I'm just not as experienced using | PK as you are, Glenn..... | ... | So, Eric, you've got two possible suggestions for tweaking with to | help you minimize your reboot/reload times... | (and effort)....... | | | ============================================================================ | | 233) Sun, Jul 17, 2005 - 7:40:51 pm | | gregy> | Glenn, on your AQC you've got a question....you can reply on my MISC, | if you want... | | | ============================================================================ | | 234) Sun, Jul 17, 2005 - 7:41:46 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Glenn, | Thanks for the suggestions. I like them both. At one time | I used a system similar to Glenn's for backup way back when. I find | Glenn's Arachne install EXE program is so fast that it's better than | copying a setup from floppies. Most of the setup time is copying Glenn's | EXE to the RAMdisk and changing floppies. | | | ============================================================================ | | 235) Sun, Jul 17, 2005 - 9:04:43 pm | | gregy> | Eric...ah, yes...I see... | ... | Okay, then...can you do a full install/setup/customization, and then | copy just the ARACHNE.CFG and any customized alternate .ACFs, plus | any extra-personalized pages, to a floppy, so you can do the unzip on | the RAMdisk and then just copy your personalized .CFGs, .ACFs and pages | right up onto the RAMdisk and be ready to go....??? | ... | Wouldn't this preclude you having to re-setup etc.....???? | | | ============================================================================ | | 236) Sun, Jul 17, 2005 - 9:06:57 pm | | gregy> | Oh, yeah, and I think you'd have to copy ARACHNE.PCK off, also, | otherwise you'd be forced to go thru the SETUP routine.. | ... | | ============================================================================ | | 237) Sun, Jul 17, 2005 - 9:17:07 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, I don't do the whole wizard install. When it asks if I want A.BAT | I press escape and then things get copied from HDD and/or from floppies. | Where things get copied from depends on type of install I'm doing and | what I'm testing. | | | ============================================================================ | | 238) Sun, Jul 17, 2005 - 9:32:44 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Like I said I've got BATs calling BATs calling BATs calling Bats | so that when I change one BAT it usually becomes a major debugging | hassel. Therefore, I use the floppies to simplify things. | It's easier than trying to recall my reason for setting up some | batch file I would otherwise have to edit. Just a minor change in | my time/date BAT caused a major debugging hassel awhile back. | | | ============================================================================ | | 239) Mon, Jul 18, 2005 - 2:15:34 am | | gregy> | Eric....I apologize for "suggesting"....obviously, since I am NOW | confused (as if I have never been so, before.......)...I cannot | offer you any advice, whatsoever......... | ... | Because, you sound like you've got the same kinda convoluted setup that | I have.....only more so...... | ... | Anyway, you seem to have it well in hand..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 240) Mon, Jul 18, 2005 - 6:02:11 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Sometimes on the spur of the moment I get foolish and figure | I'll make some "minor" improvement to a program I'm using. Two hours | later I decide I've spent too much time on it so I save a test copy | and go back to using the program the way it was in the first place. | A week later I find this test copy I saved and wonder what changes | I made to it & why I saved it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 241) Mon, Jul 18, 2005 - 7:23:24 pm | | gregy> | NOTICE - my ISP's backbone connections (who else, but QWEST)..are flakey | and QWEST is working on them. You will probably find these boards up | and down intermittantly... | | | ============================================================================ | | 242) Mon, Jul 18, 2005 - 7:24:55 pm | | gregy> | Gee...Eric...I thought I was the only one having problems like that... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 243) Tue, Jul 19, 2005 - 1:38:29 pm | | ray> | I'm so neurotic about making changes to my essential stuff that | I make sure my whole disk is backed up before I do anything. | BTW it's good to be alive, just came back from Emergency (and up here | in Canada, that's no place for someone who needs medical help) | I was diving yesterday and managed to give myself a pneumothorax going | down to only 25M -- nuts, I'm getting to old. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 244) Tue, Jul 19, 2005 - 5:16:02 pm | | Eric> | Hey buddy Ray, you better watch that. Eighty feet sounds pretty deep | to me. How does that happen? Does the pressurized air pass thru the | lung tissue into the thorax or is there a tear in the lung tissue. | I was watching a program on TV last weekend about diving. I didn't | see it from the beginning but two divers were lost....one while trying | to retrieve another diver. A third had the bends and almost didn't make | it. | | ============================================================================ | | 245) Tue, Jul 19, 2005 - 5:39:22 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I'm a freediver -- no tanks, we hold our breath. As pressure | increases the lungs are compressed utill they are 'less than empty' | at which point the lung has a tendancy to pull away from the thoracic | wall and so air gets behind. It's a problem with deep dives, but | at 25M it just shows I wasn't warmed up enough. Anyway, the | local divers will kick my sorry old ass to hear that I was diving | alone :( | | Yeah, and the local freediving community will be | | ============================================================================ | | 246) Tue, Jul 19, 2005 - 5:41:17 pm | | ray> | Oh, and freedivers never get the bends, we go deeper than scuba divers, | but we're not down long enough to get bent, and the fact that we | do it all with the same load of air reduces the partial preasure of | N2 which gives us a bit more protection too. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 247) Tue, Jul 19, 2005 - 5:50:34 pm | | Eric> | Ray, did you read the article in Sports Illustrated a couple of years | ago on the free diver that was lost(a woman) trying to set the record. | There was a lot of dissension concerning the way that her dive was | monitored. | | ============================================================================ | | 248) Tue, Jul 19, 2005 - 6:12:01 pm | | Eric> | Ray, My father could dive down 30-40 ft and retreive things from the | bottom of the lake that were accidentally dropped. He used to scare me | because he could stay down so long. I was never able to go that deep | myself. 15 to 20 feet was far enough for me. | | ============================================================================ | | 249) Tue, Jul 19, 2005 - 7:01:29 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Yeah, when Audrey died there was hell to pay in the diving world, most | of us thought that her husband/trainer ran the dive so incompetently | that what happened was close to murder. | | | ============================================================================ | | 250) Tue, Jul 19, 2005 - 10:14:09 pm | | gregy> | well...I've got a weird mind...but the thought immediately occurs to me | that, "He was saving himself the cost of a divorce" .....just my old | twisted mind(?) | /.... | But, Ray, I'd appreciate it if you'd NOT do that "alone" stuff, etc.. | ... | I'm no experienced diver (scuba or free) but even I know that that is | a NO NO...!!! | .... | And, if you snuff yourself, I'm gonna hate to miss your funeral... | ... | FWIW, if I'm NOT gonna attend my older sister's in California, then | I'm sure not gonna go all the way to B.C. for yours.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 251) Tue, Jul 19, 2005 - 10:16:02 pm | | gregy> | Oh...and BTW2...yes, it's good to be alive.....and it's good to have | YOU still alive...... | | | ============================================================================ | | 252) Tue, Jul 19, 2005 - 10:22:47 pm | | gregy> | Re: changing my stuff - yeah....was a real trauma when I switched my | long distance from ATT, after nearly a whole lifetime with them. | ... | And, my barber....that was painful....and changing Dentists...??? that, | too.....and docs....well...since I mostly despise them...that's not so | traumatic.........not any more than changing my lieyer... | ...and changing my ISP...??? yes, painful.... | ... | So, now I'm painfully pondering just WHAT DOS OperatingSystem to replace | my DRDOS6.0 with.....now THAT's a hard, hard thing to do....I've been | using it since practically forever......gots lotsa other DOSes to choose | from, but haven't, yet, ever "bit the bullet" and made a permanent | change.....but....the time has come.... | .. | I can NOT NOT get XMSDSK to work, anyway I've could try/think-of, with | DRDOS6.0....and I know it works on OpenDOS7.01 and DRDOS7.03...so..it's | time.....:(((( | | | | ============================================================================ | | 253) Tue, Jul 19, 2005 - 10:24:52 pm | | gregy> | Oh, and, yes...it works on this same box under MSDOS6.22....I have a | multi-boot system set up (using IBM BootManager) on all my boxes.. | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 254) Wed, Jul 20, 2005 - 3:10:42 am | | Eric> | Ray, I backup Gregy, I tend to go swimming by my self often in | the lake, so I know the temptation to do so but I'm sure as Hell not | diving down 80 feet. I understand that it is not unusual for free divers | to pass out upon surfacing and I thought nitrogen narcosis is still | possible when free diving. Ray, it is not worth the risk. My | younger brother, who is know longer with us (car accident), said one of | the few | things I ever agreed with him about. Quote: "Don't do those things that | the "EXPERTS" at those things die doing". My brother and his friend drove | all the way out to Banff, Canada from Detroit, Michigan area to go | Helicopter skiing. They didn't go because they decided it was too | risky because the expert guides were often not making it back. This was | from two fellows who had crossed the North Atlantic Ocean in February | from France to the USA in a 75 foot sailboat in 30 foot waves. One of | their jib sails tore completely off except the top grommet when they | hoisted it. | | ============================================================================ | | 255) Wed, Jul 20, 2005 - 4:42:35 am | | gregy> | my goodness...!!! Was THAT your brother...??? Well, I guess you would | not tell a tale....but....I remember that feat, and was suitably | impressed with their deed.....however, you hafta know (I must confess) | that during those days (previous existance.......) I was prone | to do daft things like that, too...... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 256) Wed, Jul 20, 2005 - 5:02:33 am | | Eric> | Gregy, On that boat there was a welded corner 3 plate attachment that | was bolted thru the deck and into the cabin wall by 3/8" or 1/2" bolts, | about two dozen bolts at least. I think the plates were about 1/2" thick. | That anchor plate had the jib sheet winch on it if I remember correctly. | Well, They noticed water dripping onto the chart table in the cabin and | when they investigated they found several of the bolts holding the plates | had broken and that attaching plate had been bent. That's one helluv a | lot of force. | | ============================================================================ | | 257) Wed, Jul 20, 2005 - 5:11:34 am | | Eric> | By the way, The last time I talked to the owner of that boat he was moving | to one of those islands in the Seattle/Vancouver area. | | ============================================================================ | | 258) Wed, Jul 20, 2005 - 4:45:39 pm | | Eric> | Well Guys, guess what.....some fool just broke our water main about two | blocks away in the middle of the main surface road between Detroit, MI | and Toledo, OH . A workman came to the door to tell me the water was | being shut off and before I could fill up the sink the water was coming | out brown. Of course I decided to wash windows about an hour ago and have | the storm windows pulled off. Just my luck. <:-( And its only 90 degrees | F. outside. | | | ============================================================================ | | 259) Wed, Jul 20, 2005 - 5:35:20 pm | | ray> | Thanks guys, I'll try not to kill myself. | | Eric, I figured lake M water would all be brown anyway ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 260) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 3:35:30 am | | Eric> | Hey Ray, Lake Mich. water is really quite nice. The problem is the | mercury content in the fish. But our water comes from the Detroit River | which not that pure. Actually, Detroit Municipal water is better than | most in this country. It doesn't have a lot of minerals, sulfur, etc. in | it. When I was a kid in your neighborhood we used to drink right out of | the streams and springs along side the road. BTW what body of water were | you diving in? Isn't it pretty cold at 25M. ? | | ============================================================================ | | 261) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 4:50:17 am | | gregy> | Eric, Ray....when they dink with the water (on or off) it stirs things | up a bit, and AFAIR, it always runs brown for a while. It's just the | water surges shaking the gunk outa the pipes.... | ... | And, we usta drink practically outa any/all mudpuddles, too....but... | things got a little gunky, for a while, ... but it's getting back to | better around here, anyway.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 262) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 4:52:40 am | | gregy> | DRDOS version 6.0 has served me faithfully for over 15 years. Tonight | I buried him..... | ... | DRDOS 6.0...... R.I.P..... | .. | I'm now running on a bran' spankin' new OpenDOS version 7.01 install, | and it all seems to be working fine.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 263) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 5:00:57 am | | gregy> | Well, that was quick. REMed out the VDISK.SYS, rebooted, tried XMSDSK, | worked, added a line to my AUTOEXEC.BAT, rebooted, loaded Arachne, and | HERE I AM...!!! | .. | On a working OpDOS7.01 OS, running Arachne from a 16Mbyte XMSDSK RAMdisk | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 264) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 6:33:01 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I wasn't drinking out of mud puddles. I was drinking out | of the pure mountain streams in British Columbia. Your right about the | brown water. I was trying to get a sink full of clear water before | they shut it off. The brown water was an indication that they had | already beat me to the punch. I also like to turn off the main shut off | before they shut down. That way the water inside doesn't back flow and | and I avoid the surge of brown/gritty water when they turn it back on. | That helps to save water filters, etc.. Anyway, the water was back on | by midnight. | | | ============================================================================ | | 265) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 6:40:28 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Did you download OpenDOS from the net? If so did you put it | on CDROM or floppies? | | ============================================================================ | | 266) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 6:51:02 am | | Eric> | Hey guys, This W$doze machine wastes more time trying to connect, etc. | I have booted my W$doze machine 3 times already trying to connect to my | ISP with the d*mn W$modem. During that time I connected to the same ISP | with Arachne, Cked email, Been writing on this board and I just finally | connected with the W$doze machine. | | ============================================================================ | | 267) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 6:57:24 am | | Eric> | Ray, Because I needed to reboot I don't have Build-7 installed. I am | running Glenn's 1.83. When I checked Online.log I have several negative | numbers with this install in the online.log. I don't know why they are | negative. | | | ============================================================================ | | 268) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 7:36:39 am | | gregy> | Eric...Re: OpDOS7.01....downloaded 5-each floppy images and diskcopied. | ... | Re: whindgedo$$zz whingemodems....yeah...I don't doubt it...FWIW, I | think we sometimes have some of our problems with surfing, because | DOS has those straight-old SerialPortDrivers, which don't coddle the | signals coming-and-going. I mean, straight DOS-SIO drivers (built into | IMBBIO.COM or MSDOS IO.SYS do no software buffering on the serial ports, | they just leave it all up to the hardware-buffering (if any).....and | Whingedo$zz follows along in DOSes footsteps. | I haven't had a line-monitor on it, but I can look at my external modem | LEDs and see what's happening. An old experienced eye, from watching | millions of bits/bytes come and go, over a 40-year period gives me an | incling of what I'm seeing.....and.. | I suspect that Linux, OS/2, MacOS X, UNIX, and maybe WinNT have better | SerialIO drivers going than DOS, Win3.1,W9x,WinME....I may be wrong, | ...but | ..during that recent backbone problem my ISP's provider (QWEST) had, | the only way I could get the web to work for me, was to fireup Arachne | on my heavy-duty OS, OS/2...and it could slog on thru the sloppy | packets, stalls, retries, etc. I could only conclude that this was, at | least partly, caused by the superb SIO drivers that I use on my OS/2. | ... | The original OS/2 SIO drivers were crappy, so some people went ahead and | wrote their own, and one company, QUATECH, wrote them to drive their | SerialBoards (their a hardware company) and their drivers are absolutely | rock solid, and doublebuffered. And I think that makes a lot of | difference. | | | ============================================================================ | | 269) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 7:40:56 am | | gregy> | ...and...FWIW...many people have posted, all over the web, that internal | modems are noisier than external modems, and internal winmodems (where | the signal processing is done by the main CPU instead of dedicated | chips on the modem-board) are the noisiest of all... so...I think you | have a double-whammy. | | | ============================================================================ | | 270) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 10:30:01 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I don't understand 5-each floppy images.<:-( How many floppies | are we talking about....5 or more than 5. | | | ============================================================================ | | 271) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 2:50:36 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | So you've been out here to BC eh? Yup, when I go up hiking in the | woods, it's still quite safe to drink from the creeks. Infact the | water at my house comes from a lake not far away that I swim in all | the time, so I'm drinking my bathwater so to speak :-) ... and it | isn't filtered or treated in any way. | | | ============================================================================ | | 272) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 5:55:23 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | Yep.... OpenDos 7.01 == 5 , 1.44mb diskettes | | BRB | | ============================================================================ | | 273) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 6:00:57 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://custom.lab.unb.br/pub/os/dos/OpenDOS.701/OD701.EXE | | OD701.EXE is a self extracting arachive which contains the 5 disk images | and the needed programs for createing the 5 diskettes. | | After createing the '5 disk set'.... | | Place the 1st disk in the floppy drive and reboot. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 274) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 6:04:51 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Here's an alternate D/L site just in case the 1st is unreachable. | | http://www.au.horde.org/pub/drdos/OpenDOS.701/OD701.EXE | | (use custom.lab.unb.br as your 1st choice because it is quite a bit faster | than www.au.horde.org) | | | ============================================================================ | | 275) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 6:59:15 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Does that version support FAT32? If so it's time I installed it too, | I run now under W98 DOS, which I find distasteful even though it | gives me no trouble. | | ============================================================================ | | 276) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 7:14:31 pm | | glennmcc> | Nope.... only v8.0 has FAT32 support. | | | ============================================================================ | | 277) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 7:23:06 pm | | glennmcc> | Why not jsut install W98 onto a FAT16 partition ? | | The only limitation you have with FAT16 vs FAT32 is that you'll need to | repartition your HDD so that all of the partitions are no larger than | 2gig each. | | Since we had drive letters C: through Z: minus whatever we might need | for CDs, CD-Rs and DVDs and a couple for RamDrives.... we can still have | 20, 2gig partitions. | | So we can have a 40gig drive split into 20 2gig FAT16 partitions and we | don't need FAT32 support. | | If your HDD is say 120gig... no problem. | | 20, 2gig FAT16 partitions for DOS | 1, 99gig Linux Native partition | 1, 1gig Linux Swap partition | | | | ============================================================================ | | 278) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 7:25:37 pm | | glennmcc> | Oops, mistyped.... make that a 79gig Linux Native | | ============================================================================ | | 279) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 7:31:58 pm | | glennmcc> | All versions of Windows up-to and including Win-ME can be installed onto | FAT16 partitions. | | Win2000 and WinXP require either FAT32 or NTFS partitions. | | But that of-coarse is due only to the fact that both of them are in | themselves bigger than the 2gig limitation of FAT16 | | If they were not so bloated in size, they could also be used on FAT16 | | | ============================================================================ | | 280) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 7:43:50 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | I stand corrected. | | According to MS themselves, Win2000 actually _can_be installed onto FAT16 | _________ | | NTFS is the recommended file system for Windows 2000. However, there are | specific reasons that you might want to use another file system. If you | format a | partition with NTFS, only Windows 2000 can gain access to files | subsequently | created on that partition. If you plan to access files from other operating | systems (including Microsoft MS-DOS ), it is best to install a FAT file | system. | | Reformatting an Existing Partition | | Reformatting a partition erases all existing files on that partition. Make | sure to | back up your files before you reformat a partition. | Choosing a File System | | Windows 2000 Professional supports the FAT16, FAT32, and NTFS file systems. | To take advantage of the full potential of Windows 2000 Professional, it is | recommended that you use the NTFS file system. NTFS has all the basic | capabilities of FAT16 and FAT32, with the added advantage of advanced | storage features such as compression, improved security, and larger | partitions | and file sizes. | | ============================================================================ | | 281) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 10:15:56 pm | | ray> | I like FAT32, can't think of any good reason to give it up except for | one -- you have to use smartdrv :-( I sure can't see any reason why | I'd endure the bother of 2G partitions it there's no good reason. | To me FAT32 is just the next logical progresion from FAT16 just as | that was a progression from FAT12, FAT16 isn't 'purer' than FAT32 | just less capable. | | ============================================================================ | | 282) Thu, Jul 21, 2005 - 11:05:36 pm | | gregy> | nah...it's purer.....not tainted by the venom of the "Dark Empire" | ... | | ... | But, it's a real farkle. You hafta read/write it with only a FAT32 | capabile OS, and, FWIW....next time you go pick up your mail, just | tell them to stick it in one looooonnnnggggg file drawer/box, one that | will stick waaaayyyyy out the back of your delivery vehicle. That'll | teach ya....!!!..... | ... | Drives are supPOSED to be partitioned, just like a file system is | supposed to be installed in multiple drawers/cabinets. | ... | But, however, know this....OS/2 has one of only 3 useful "big iron" | file systems (the others being Mac, and Linux/Unix) called the HPFS | file system. And, for anything 125Mbyte or less, it offers NO extra | benefit, and lots of non-benefits. So, I ALWAYS install OS/2 to a | FAT16 partition. Then, I make my upper data/apps partitions HPFS.. | ... | And, yes....I can make OpDOS read/write those HPFS partitions...that's | the advantage of OS/2....it's an industrial-strength OS, unlike the | mz$loth wannabees..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 283) Fri, Jul 22, 2005 - 4:26:01 am | | Eric> | Ray, How is your neumothorax doing ? Does it hurt or does it just make | it hard to get your breath ? BTW you never answered where you were diving | and how cold it was ? Is it a secret place or with the whales ? | | ============================================================================ | | 284) Fri, Jul 22, 2005 - 4:29:17 am | | Eric> | Hey Guys, Aren't there a lot more good DOS utilities that work with | FAT16 than with FAT32 ? Or am I wrong ? | | ============================================================================ | | 285) Fri, Jul 22, 2005 - 6:29:59 am | | Eric> | Ray, Below is my online.log. Notice the neg. numbers. I don't know if | this is only from Glenn's 1.83 or also from Build-7 | | | Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:15:56 - online for 4:15:12 = 1121598956 | Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:37:04 - online for 2:37:04 = 1121657824 | Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:21:03 - online for -1:21:-13 = 1121707263 | Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:06:16 - online for -1:06:-16 = 1121774776 | Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:31:17 - online for -3:31:-3 = 1121963477 | Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:09:35 - online for -2:09:-1 = 1122034175 | | | ============================================================================ | | 286) Fri, Jul 22, 2005 - 7:20:05 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Ooops, sorry, I was diving a Whytecliff park near Horseshoe bay, | know it? Temp 19C on top, 10C first thermocline, 2C on the bottom. | Lungs seem fine now, go figure. I'll dive again this weekend and | see what happens. As for the numbers, you can figure that out by | just deleting the file or by paying attention to the login time | or just check it after logging off and note which core you were | just using. | | RE: FAT32, I do partition my disks but I have several 4G partitions | that would be inconvinient to break up. True, some old utilites | won't work with it, and yes, naturaly my older machines with smaller | disks are still FAT16. | | | ============================================================================ | | 287) Fri, Jul 22, 2005 - 7:22:44 am | | ray> | oh Eric, check your 'ppptotal.log' too -- I was getting negative | numbers there but fixed it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 288) Fri, Jul 22, 2005 - 8:04:26 am | | Eric> | Ray, I already just deleted online.log to see what happens. I'm running | Build-7. | See ppptotal.log below: | | -1859197448 seconds online = -1:24:-4 | | I recognize the Horeshoe Bay and Whytecliff Park names, maybe from | reading about Orca studies out there or some other nature/history | program on TV. That's darn cold, I assume your wearing rubber suit | when you dive. About the lungs, better take it easy, just because they | feel OK up here doesn't mean they'll work OK down there. The lungs are | a very delicate organ, very essential and very easy to damage. From | what I understand, once they totally deflate they can be very hard to | inflate again. If air actually gets into human tissue it takes a while | for it to be purged completely. Since you didn't expect it to happen | your last dive, there could be some undisclosed cause for it occuring | in the fist place. Be very careful !! | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 289) Fri, Jul 22, 2005 - 1:20:36 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | Could you please try that test of ppptotal.log whith my core.exe ? | | If it's still doing that with mine... | then it's an old bug and Ray is off the hook. | | But since Joe re-wrote that section ... he might be on the hook. | | ============================================================================ | | 290) Fri, Jul 22, 2005 - 2:04:42 pm | | glennmcc> | --- online.log --- | Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:30:18 - online for 0:00:16 = 16 | | | --- ppptotal.log --- | 16 seconds online = 0:00:16 | | | --- dir listing of the logs --- | ONLINE.LOG 54 7-22-2005 14:30:18 -----A-- | PPPTOTAL.LOG 30 7-22-2005 14:30:18 -----A-- | | | They get updated when we use Alt+H or link to the 'Hangup' button | on the dialer page. | | BRB | | ____ | | I hungup 'manually' by Atl+X and then termin 0x60 | | The new dir listing shows that they did not get updated. | | ONLINE.LOG 54 7-22-2005 14:30:18 -----A-- | PPPTOTAL.LOG 30 7-22-2005 14:30:18 -----A-- | | | BRB again | ____ | | Alt+H, Alt+X, change date to July 23rd, arachne.bat, Alt+D, Alt+H, Alt+X | | ONLINE.LOG 164 7-23-2005 14:45:40 -----A-- | PPPTOTAL.LOG 33 7-23-2005 14:45:40 -----A-- | | --- online.log --- | Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:30:18 - online for 0:00:16 = 16 | Sat, 23 Jul 2005 14:43:00 - online for 5:02:30 = 86566 | Sat, 23 Jul 2005 14:45:41 - online for 0:00:03 = 3 | | --- ppptotal.log --- | 86585 seconds online = 5:03:49 | | ============================================================================ | | 291) Fri, Jul 22, 2005 - 2:14:46 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, I haven't been online with Arachne computer for a while. I have | Ray's Build-7 installed but it's only been online for 17+ min. w/Ray's | core. I started with new logs when I installed Ray's core. Both logs | look OK right now. I will do some experimenting maybe tonight. The | problem may not show up until online for an extended period, maybe with | change of day. | | | ============================================================================ | | 292) Fri, Jul 22, 2005 - 7:30:31 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep, I was thinking the same thing. | | That's why I 'faked-it-out' by changeing the date. | | I've just now done it again but this time I chaged it by a full year. | | Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:24:38 - online for 5:19:52 = 31541228 | | 31541228 seconds online = 5:19:52 | | The hrs:min:sec are wrong... but no neg numbers. | | | ============================================================================ | | 293) Sat, Jul 23, 2005 - 7:44:51 am | | Eric> | Strange thing....after I changed to Ray's Build-7 core setup I can no | longer load several emails that were downloaded with Glenn's 1.83. | I shelled to DOS and the emails are still there with the right names | but they can't be displayed. I even type in full location path in URL | box but got "mail read error"......More strange I CTRL-left arrowed | back to check the error page and the email loaded. | | ============================================================================ | | 294) Sat, Jul 23, 2005 - 7:51:19 am | | Eric> | I tried the same procedure on another email that wouldn't load and got | the same bizarre behavior. | | | ============================================================================ | | 295) Sat, Jul 23, 2005 - 8:06:10 am | | Eric> | Check out these logs: | I connected last night and left connected til just now. I hung up and | connected again to send this msg. | | Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:48:27 - online for 0:17:49 = 1069 | Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:53:31 - online for -2:39:-11 = 56345 | | 57414 seconds online = -2:56:-22 | | This is with Build-7. | Time calculations are tricky. I remember having problems with time | calculations when writing some of my programs. | | ============================================================================ | | 296) Sat, Jul 23, 2005 - 9:29:21 am | | Eric> | Have you all noticed that the coollist seems awfully quiet. | | ============================================================================ | | 297) Sat, Jul 23, 2005 - 3:23:36 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep, .... zero messages from Coollist today. | | The server might be down again. | | BRB | ___ | | Received: from [67.98.68.98] (helo=mtx dot coollist dot com) | for glennmcc@cisnet.com; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:27:22 -0400 | To: "Arachne4DOS" | From: "Wim Versluis" | Subject: [a4dos-list] Re:Re: bad request | ___________ | | | That's the most recent message. | | | ============================================================================ | | 298) Sat, Jul 23, 2005 - 3:24:25 pm | | glennmcc> | I'll send a test message right now to see if the server is still up. | | ============================================================================ | | 299) Sat, Jul 23, 2005 - 4:01:37 pm | | glennmcc> | No problems with the server.... less than 2min to come-back | _____________ | | Received: from [67.98.68.98] (helo=mtx dot coollist dot com) | for glennmcc@cisnet.com; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:26:20 -0400 | To: "Arachne4DOS" | From: "Glenn McCorkle" | Subject: [a4dos-list] testing.... | | arachne4dos at coollist dot com General List ---------------- | | No replies needed........ | | Just testing to see if the Coollist server is still up. | (no messages from the list during the last 28hrs) | | ============================================================================ | | 300) Sat, Jul 23, 2005 - 10:05:50 pm | | gregy> | yep...we're so used to "traffic" that we begin to get nervous when | there's a lack of it..... | .. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 301) Sun, Jul 24, 2005 - 9:42:33 am | | Eric> | See Logs....both for same time period online. | | Online log: Build-7 | | Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:48:27 - online for 0:17:49 = 1069 | Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:53:31 - online for -2:39:-11 = 56345 | Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:40:43 - online for 6:44:45 = 89041 | | ppptotal.log: Build-7 | | 146455 seconds online = 4:40:23 | | | ============================================================================ | | 302) Wed, Jul 27, 2005 - 4:37:34 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Dear fellow Arachne fans....... | | I have just now uploaded v1.85;GPL,386+ | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ | | --- on the front page --- | Arachne v1.71, v1.73, v1.75, v1.77, v1.79, v1.81 | and v1.83 are no longer available on this site. | | Available Jul 27, 2005...... Arachne v1.85;GPL,386+ | ___________________________________________________ | | Enjoy !!! :) | | ============================================================================ | | 303) Wed, Jul 27, 2005 - 6:31:57 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Been offline for a week, sorry about not commenting on the above, | the negative numbers are due to an integer overflow, easy to fix. | In the meantime, if you delete the file the counter resets and will | show proper numbers. the overflow occurs and the 'int' limit of | 32K. | | As to my core not being able to show an email downloaded with Glenn's | core, that's most interesting. I've got a lot to catch up on but | I'll try to duplicate that for sure. | | Big problem right now is I've finaly run into that bad email problem :-( | ... with the result that I have 73 backlogged emails and it hangs on | #60 but when I go to reload the mail it starts again from square 1. | Now that I've experienced this, I see what a total bummer it is -- | how the hell do I get rid of all those mails?? | | | ============================================================================ | | 304) Wed, Jul 27, 2005 - 7:20:24 pm | | Eric> | Ray, That's why I have email set to not delete on Juno server with | Arachne. Then I can just delete all emails in my inbox and start from | scratch until I get a complete download. | | ============================================================================ | | 305) Wed, Jul 27, 2005 - 8:24:14 pm | | ray> | Yeah, now that I see this problem I don't blame you, I've always just | put up with the double download when I've hit an abort that doesn't | happen the second time, but this bad email was a permanent block, first | one I've ever had that did that. But I've got a fix of sorts, I'll | tinker with it for a while then post it for comment. | | | ============================================================================ | | 306) Wed, Jul 27, 2005 - 8:29:09 pm | | ray> | BTW Eric, this funny thing with the unviewable emails -- does it work | both ways? I mean if you download an email with my core can you view | it with Glenn's? I made a very small modification in the email | numbering scheme from Glenn's core and that very likely has something | to do with it, here's an experiment: try deleting cnm.idx in your | mail directory after downloading with Glenn's, then see I mine | will view all the emails ok or not. | | | ============================================================================ | | 307) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 12:50:44 am | | Eric> | Ray, I don't know if I can test it. I deleted my 1.83 and replaced it | with the new 1.85 release. I'll see what I can do. The strange thing | was it couldn't show the email when I clicked on it in the inbox ( gave | error message) but when I tried to backup it showed the email. | | ============================================================================ | | 308) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 1:15:47 am | | Eric> | Ray, Just tried and couldn't duplicate email no-read thing. However, | when I installed your Build-7 core from FD A: I did it by ALT-E | shellout. After installing only your core I could not un-shell. Exit | command would not return me to Arachne. So then I installed your | Arachne.bat, lsppp.cfg and arachne.cfg from A: and then exit command | worked and Arachne came back. Do You understand why that happens? | | ============================================================================ | | 309) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 5:04:16 am | | gregy> | Eric....those little Scandanavian Elves have infested your box...better | get out the Elf-bomb and spray 'em..... | ... | The 1.85 seems to be working real good on both my OpDOS701 and on my | Warp3C....so....it looks like another "drop-in replacement".....just | the way I like it...... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 310) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 7:14:41 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Remember, you've got to use my arachne.cfg and .bat with my core. | The easiest way is with a batchfile that copies all three files over. | I use several of these for different builts/releases so I can | boot up cores back to 1.71 easily with 171.bat ... 183.bat ... ray.bat | | | ============================================================================ | | 311) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 8:48:59 am | | gregy> | What are YOU doing here, in the morning...??? | ... | Must be before you start your route.... | ... | And...what I use is | | ------------------LD.BAT-------------------- | @echo off | echo ..This is LD.BAT, for loading test COREs and ARACHNE.BATs into | echo ..the TestBed | if "%1"=="" goto ERROR | goto SWAP | :ERROR | echo...You MUST give an argument for what CORE you want to swap IN | pause | goto END | :SWAP | copy f:\atst\%1\arbat\*.* r:\arachne\ /B /V | copy f:\atst\%1\CORE%1.EXE r:\arachne\CORE.EXE /B /V | pause | :END | | That way I only need ONE Batfile..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 312) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 2:41:15 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | I usualy check my email before heading off to work, got into the | habit corresponding with Michal and stay with it since I often | talk to Vladimir 10 timezones ahead. As to your batchfile, that | sort of aproach works too -- whatever you like. | | BTW, why is is that if you're off line and you write something here, | when you press F2 to send it, it is lost and you have to retype it? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 313) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 2:43:00 pm | | ray> | And why is that not the case with emails, which dial when needed and | don't loose themselves? This is a ratty little bug that should be | fixed. | | ============================================================================ | | 314) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 4:37:58 pm | | Eric> | Ray, As Gregy taught me, you don't have to retype it. It's in | the file "textarea.tmp". You just place the cursor in the text box | and press F3. Then replace "quickpad.txt" with "textarea.tmp" and press | enter. Your lost text will magically appear. I just "lost" this post | and had to re-capture it. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 315) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 4:47:22 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Why do you use /B switch with your COPY command. | | | ============================================================================ | | 316) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 4:49:34 pm | | Eric> | I see from my post #314 that blank lines should be deleted. | | ============================================================================ | | 317) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 5:04:24 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Yeah, I know, but that shouldn't be necessary, its not right that | the text is not sent. | | | ============================================================================ | | 318) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 5:20:10 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Why "Scandanavian" elves? Have they got some singular | special characteristic? Why not Irish leprechauns or Scotish | trolls? | | | ============================================================================ | | 319) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 5:33:24 pm | URL | | Eric> | Ray, NOT RIGHT? I don't recall "Thou shalt not need to | recapture text written off-line". Seriously, it is rather | depressing to see my written word vaporize. Especially when one types | as slowly as I do. | | ============================================================================ | | 320) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 5:59:04 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Build-7 just locked up on me....I got "Xswap error" while | downloading 33 emails. I returned to Arachne and She locked up. | Reboot and new setup required. | | ============================================================================ | | 321) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 6:30:51 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Ah, those are serious, did you catch the filename and line number? | This must be investigated but I need that info. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 322) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 8:16:22 pm | | Eric> | Ray, One of my Arachne running batch files gives me a menu when Xswap | error happens. I pressed "R" to return to Arachne. I didn't write down | Xswap error info. I will next time. | | ============================================================================ | | 323) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 9:52:25 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | thanks, that info will be invaluable as far as error tracking goes. | BTW, as you probably know, returning to Arachne after an XSWAP error | is dangerous but there are times when it seems ok. | | BTW I've got 259K free right now :) Much to my delight, my core is | now small enough to run properly under 4DOS without the secondary | command.com shell | | ============================================================================ | | 324) Thu, Jul 28, 2005 - 9:54:11 pm | | ray> | Modules using memory below 1 MB: | | Name Total Conventional Upper Memory | -------- ---------------- ---------------- ---------------- | SYSTEM 18,080 (18K) 10,960 (11K) 7,120 (7K) | HIMEM 1,168 (1K) 1,168 (1K) 0 (0K) | EMM386 4,320 (4K) 4,320 (4K) 0 (0K) | 4DOS 9,648 (9K) 432 (0K) 9,216 (9K) | CORE 379,632 (371K) 379,632 (371K) 0 (0K) | 4DOS 3,968 (4K) 976 (1K) 2,992 (3K) | NANSI 3,184 (3K) 0 (0K) 3,184 (3K) | RAMDRIVE 1,456 (1K) 0 (0K) 1,456 (1K) | IFSHLP 2,864 (3K) 0 (0K) 2,864 (3K) | SMARTDRV 35,056 (34K) 0 (0K) 35,056 (34K) | 320-180C 5,296 (5K) 0 (0K) 5,296 (5K) | KSTACK 1,072 (1K) 0 (0K) 1,072 (1K) | CTMOUSE 3,360 (3K) 0 (0K) 3,360 (3K) | NOVA_RAY 5,264 (5K) 0 (0K) 5,264 (5K) | PRTSCR 1,440 (1K) 0 (0K) 1,440 (1K) | LSPPP 28,624 (28K) 0 (0K) 28,624 (28K) | Free 308,544 (301K) 257,168 (251K) 51,376 (50K) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 325) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 12:47:54 am | | gregy> | Ray....I just did ALT-H (hangup), and now I'm typing this, then I will | try to send it by clicking "Send/Refresh"....and we'll see what happens | ... | (after).... | I typed the above into the textbox, here, then clicked "Send/Refresh" | and got "just a moment, dialing aborts" on my bottome StatusBar, | then it dialed and connected, and returned me to this page (it's in | my CACHE, of course)....BUT...but...the nickbox and textbox were empty, | and I had to do the F3 - textarea.tmp maneuver, then Send/Refresh | to post it, and this... | | | ============================================================================ | | 326) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 12:50:00 am | | gregy> | Sooo.... we find that a dialup will cause a loss of data already typed | into this page when OFFLINE....I guess that's a bug...???..hmmm..maybe | not...I somehow remember that NS3.04, IE3.03, and NC4.08 do the same of | similar thing.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 327) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 12:52:12 am | | gregy> | Eric....Scandinavian Elves, rather than any other tribe....that's the | residual Norwegian blood in my veins...... | .. | Those Elves were/are always taken to be malicious and malevolent... | ...whereas other tribes of "little folk" are viewed as sometimes | benign..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 328) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 12:55:14 am | | gregy> | Eric...the "/B" switch on my LD.BAT copy command. I'm using OpDOS701 | and that switch is given (when I do "copy /?" as the switch to use to | force a binary copy, as opposed to a flexible/text, etc, copy.... | .. | I use it to ensure that the executable(s) I'm copying (i.e. CORE.EXE) | get copied binarily...so they are still programs, not mangled junk | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 329) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 3:08:37 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I don't ever remember having an executable program mangled | because I didn't use the /B switch. Is that particularly necessary | because you are running in OpDOS701 or are there certain circumtances | that make the /B switch necessary. I usually use XCOPY to copy files | with the /v switch but my understanding is that /v is really superfluous. | | ============================================================================ | | 330) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 4:21:19 am | | gregy> | The /v switch is rather redundant since I have "VERIFY-ON" in either my | CONFIG.SYS or AUTOEXEC.BAT...but I usually use it,.......just | because..... | ... | I use the COPY command rather than the XCOPY command, since (1) it is | an internal command (contained in COMMAND.COM, which I also load up | onto my RAMdisk - and set the COMSPEC= at the same time) so it executes | quicker, without HDD access, and (2)...there is a difference between the | operation of my DOS xcopy and my OS/2 xcopy....not very big difference, | but enough so that I use the COPY instead, so that I have identical | .BATs for both my DOS installs and my OS/2 installs. | ... | This commonality/standardization makes it possible for me to download, | install, and implement a new Arachne version on ALL my OSes (I have | 3 main different OS setups) in about 1/2 hour. Actually, I could do | it in less time, but I keep forgetting stupid things such as "must load | the mouse driver" before I begin an install, etc, etc.... | ... | However, 1/2 hour is not too bad for implementing a new version.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 331) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 4:23:55 am | | gregy> | The /B switch....yes, I also don't remember ever having an executable | mangled, but I'm not remembering everything that's happened to me over | the years of computing.... | ... | I have a vague suspicion that it has happened, though, and I'm going to | use the /B switch to made sure that it never does, again......I mean, | after all, I only have to type that "/B" once, and it does it's job | forever..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 332) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 4:32:07 am | | Eric> | Gregy, The copy thing makes good sense to me....but you didn't answer my | original question...How/when/why is the /B switch necessary? | | ============================================================================ | | 333) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 4:46:49 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Sounds to me like you use the /B switch the same as I use the /V | switch.....Somewhere/someone recommended it was a good thing to | do. | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 334) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 6:35:39 am | | gregy> | he he he...Eric...that's about it........actually, when I do the | "copy /?" it shows the /B switch as being used to "treat file like | binary (ignore CTRL-Z)" .... and, I have a vague wriggling in the back | of my mind that using this is a "good thing" that I once violated and | paid the price for my malfaction..... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 335) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 6:37:52 am | | gregy> | However, without doing an extensive series of tests, I think it may be | unnecessary, due to the possibility that the default is /B, but still, | .... | it's my FEELINGS that are making me use it..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 336) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 12:24:56 pm | | glennmcc> | Nope.. copy /b is not the same as xcopy /v | | 'copy' also has /v to verify that data has been written correctly. | | --- xcopy --- | XCOPY R1.52 Extended file copy | Copyright (c) 1987,1996 Caldera, Inc. All rights reserved. | | XCOPY [/Help] [@][d:][path][filename[.ext]] [d:][path][filename[.ext]] | [opts] | | The first file specification is the drive, path and name of file(s) to be | copied (wildcard filenames allowed). This specification must be present. | Use '@' to specify that the given file contains a list of files to be | copied. | The second file specification is the destination drive and path to which | files | will be copied. Files will be renamed if a destination filename is | specified. | | /A only copy files with the archive attribute | /D the destination specifies a directory | /D:mm-dd-yy only copy files modified since specified date | /E allow empty subdirectories to be created | /F the destination specifies a file | /H copy files with hidden or system attributes | /L copy the disk volume label as well as specified files | /M only copy files with the archive attribute, reset the attribute | /P prompt before copying each file | /R overwrite read-only files | /S copy files in subdirectories | /V verify that data is written correctly | /W wait for disks to be changed | _____________ | | --- copy --- | COPY Copies or combines files | | Syntax: | COPY /H | COPY device|wildspec[+wildspec...][switches] [device|filespec[switches]] | | device is CON,LPTn,PRN,NUL,COMn or AUX | wildspec source device, file or list of files to be included | filespec destination file or device | switches | /A treat file as ASCII | /B treat source file as binary (ignore Ctrl+Z in file) | /V verify source and destination match | /S include system or hidden files in copy | /C prompt for confirmation by user before copying | /Z zeros top bit of every byte in destination | Examples: | COPY file1+file2 file3 | COPY *.txt c:dir1 | _____________ | | | The useful purpose of the /B is that a Ctrl+Z cahracter is normally | treated as EOF when copying in ASCII mode. | | Without the /B option.... | If an executable (or any other binary file), contains a Ctrl+Z at some | point before the actual EOF.... the copy process stops at that point | and the remainder of the file will not get copied. | | | ============================================================================ | | 337) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 12:45:34 pm | | glennmcc> | Gregy is correct in his assumption that 'binary mode' is default. | (at-least my ytest shows that it is in OpenDos 7.01) | | Eben though it does not say so in 'copy /?' | | 'copy php-src.txt php-src1.txt' .... resutls in...... | | Volume in drive L is MS-RAMDRIVE | Directory of L:\ | | PHP-SRC TXT 10722 7-29-05 1:27p | PHP-SRC1 TXT 10722 7-29-05 1:27p | | However, with 'copy /A php-src.txt php-src2.txt' ... this is the result. | | Volume in drive L is MS-RAMDRIVE | Directory of L:\ | | PHP-SRC TXT 10722 7-29-05 1:27p | PHP-SRC1 TXT 10722 7-29-05 1:27p | PHP-SRC2 TXT 1811 7-29-05 1:27p | | Since the PHP SRC code for my AQCCC message board contains a Ctrl+Z at | offset 1811.... the copy process ended there and the remaining 8911 | bytes did not get copied to the destination file. | | IMO, | Always using the /B switch is a good idea just in case we happen to be | using a versio nof DOS in-which /B is _not_ the default. | | ============================================================================ | | 338) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 1:54:16 pm | | ray> | And I found out the hard way that '/v' isn't what is sounds like: | the data isn't reread to verify it's integrity, all that happens | is that the written sector is checked for redability. This was good | with floppies where it was/is common for some sector to be | useless. And '/b' has to be the default, otherwise probably most | binary files would not copy, since ^Z will occur in most of them | several times. | | ============================================================================ | | 339) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 6:55:15 pm | | Eric> | Wow, guys, What did I start here? Ray, what happened that clued you in | that Verify wasn't really checking what you thought. Somewhere I read | long ago that /V wasn't really comparing files. I think FC (file | compare) is the only real bit to bit check. Glenn, we didn't think | that /V and /B were the same. We were comparing the reasons why each | of us used each switch. However, this has been a very educational | discussion. | | | ============================================================================ | | 340) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 7:02:22 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I don't have the config.log but I can send you the Arachne.cfg | and Arachne.bat for my setup. Also any other CFG files you might | want. | | ============================================================================ | | 341) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 7:49:10 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Every time you use one of my cores you will get a config.log created | anew, if you don't see it, let me know, something aint right. | BTW I can't get that page you mentioned nohow, I'm using 1.83 | right now and it couldn't find it neither. Are you sure you typed | it in right? Maybe it worked then but not now, give her a retry and | see what happens. | | ============================================================================ | | 342) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 7:50:52 pm | | ray> | As for '/v' I found out after a backup failed, and you know how that | can scare the wits out of you. Then I read about it in some book. | XXCOPY (a *fabulous* utility) does have a real verification switch. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 343) Fri, Jul 29, 2005 - 8:09:18 pm | | ray> | Hey Glenn, why not change your default arrow away from that stupid | cross? it sux and I'll be no one likes it. I don't even have it | as an option. | | ============================================================================ | | 344) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 12:29:29 am | | gregy> | "default arrow away from that stupid cross?".....what's this...???? | ... | explain.......as you all are aware, I happen to LIKE crosses... | ... | AND...XXCOPY is the preferred xcopy method for OS/2...it was originally | written by an OS/2 guy.... | .. | AND...I don't really rely upon xcopy /v, or even xxcopy /v....I always | have set my VERIFY=ON in my boot files... | | | ============================================================================ | | 345) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 6:30:39 am | | gregy> | Yep....Pentium-S 133MHz IS a tad swifter than a 486dlc 40MHz box... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 346) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 8:02:57 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I'm not aware you have a penchant for crosses. Why? | | ============================================================================ | | 347) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 8:09:39 am | | gregy> | Eric....surely you've noticed by now that I'm one of those brain-dead, | easily-lead, born-again-saved, awful Christians....haven't you...??? | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 348) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 8:13:20 am | | gregy> | And, I'm gonna keep my Cyrix 486dlc 40MHz in operation for "minimalist" | testing of Arachne, etc....but....this P133 is definitely to my liking | .... | ... | I can't believe how fast it is....and that's with its stupid internal | modem...(which I would never buy/use if it wasn't already in there). | ... | When the InstallWiz couldn't detect it...I was afraid it was a winmodem, | but...when I just threw frustration into the wind...and loaded up my | .ACFs, etc, and did the ALT-D....hey....was I surprised.... | ... | he he he....it's nice to be pleasantly surprised, for a change... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 349) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 8:30:52 am | | ray> | Eric, | | ... and that's not the worst of it, he's also a REPUBLICAN! | | Before you know it, these people will not only have cross-cursors | in Arachne, but everywhere and soon you won't even be able to choose | a different cursor, since these people are all anti-choice on | everything. | | | ============================================================================ | | 350) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 8:34:02 am | | ray> | Hey, I'm going to make a new witches pentacle cursor just to bug Gregy | | | ============================================================================ | | 351) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 8:36:30 am | | ray> | But seriously, just so's Gregy doesn't feel like the last man standing, | I'm a Christian too, but up here in Canistan one has to be careful | not to let that secret slip. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 352) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 8:37:29 am | | ray> | Nuts, I just did :( ... hope the Correctness Police aren't monitoring | this right now :( | | | ============================================================================ | | 353) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 8:44:31 am | | Eric> | Hey Glenn, I can't download mail w/new 185 release right now. It keeps | aborting. It was aborting after email #13 but now it aborts after email | #2. I did download mail yesterday (about 13 emails I think) with no | trouble. | | ============================================================================ | | 354) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 8:45:13 am | | ray> | Oh, Gregy, that's cool about XXCOPY. And what's the scoop on this | eCom or whatever it was that's still developing OS/2? Can you still | buy a copy? I'd probably shell out for it. I have a techie friend | who loved OS/2 so much that he's been wearing black ever since IBM | dropped it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 355) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 9:02:53 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Somehow that self description doesn't seem to fit the data I've | been saving on you. I haven't noticed anyone knocking on my door trying | to hand me born again christian pamphlets lately. | BTW I haven't seen any reference what to do when one gets stuck in one | of these data entry boxes and can't page up or down. I discovered by | trial & error that ESC releases me to page up or down. | | ============================================================================ | | 356) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 9:06:04 am | | Eric> | Ray, Did you go diving last weekend and test your lungs? | | ============================================================================ | | 357) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 9:25:37 am | | Eric> | Ray, I was watching a documentary on the earthquakes along that | Pacific shore. A large one in 1700 caused a tsunami that hit Japan. | They say one of that magnitude hits about every 500 years on average. | Have you noticed any trembling lately? Maybe you should be using that | cross. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 358) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 10:04:52 am | | Eric > | Ray, I just downloaded the page that caused the GIF problem with your | build-7. You (or something) chopped off the last 2 letters of shtml. | I downloaded it with Glenn's latest release 185. See address below: | | http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/entertainment/days_out/hpv_castlecombe.shtml | | | ============================================================================ | | 359) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 1:38:39 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Yeah, lungs seem ok. I'm beginning to think that was a false alarm. | Maybe it was just something skeletal, which is how it felt. | The page loads ok here, now that I have the proper URL, are you still | having a problem with it? | And, yes, we on the west coast are about due for what we all call | 'the big one' | | ============================================================================ | | 360) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 1:39:54 pm | | ray> | BTW, Eric, do you follow the other board? | | | ============================================================================ | | 361) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 7:10:10 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Which board? This is the only one I've been monitoring. | | ============================================================================ | | 362) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 10:10:55 pm | | gregy> | Eric...Ray's talking about the Coders Board...this is the Testers | board.... | .. | It's something (not a "national secret" mind you) that we keep sort of | quiet about, so the Coders don't have a bunch of non-coder posters... | I try to keep from posting there, except to answer one of their | questions, or for board maintenance, etc. | ... | The link is the same as this board, except substitute /adev/advindex.php | for this board's addy. You are welcome to monitor, and we can kinda | get a glimmer of what those guys are doing... | .. | We would like that you not broadcast the link, though... | | | ============================================================================ | | 363) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 10:25:17 pm | | gregy> | Eric....I only "pass out tracts" when I'm pretty sure the person has | NOT already heard about Jesus.... | | Of course, as Ray says, "Ve vill haf ORDER..!!!!. Das confuzzolnon | vil kome to a skreechnon ALT..!!! Und iff you dondt pardt your hair | the correcdt vey, you vil haf a NICE longe rest int der KAMP..." | .... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 364) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 10:32:23 pm | | gregy> | Ray....I suggest that you do NOT go buy eCommStation for your intro to | OS/2... | FWIW...eCs is a really industrial-grade OS, has all the "big-iron" | capabilities and complexity. | ... | IBM no longer retails/supports OS/2 (only to their big, corporate, | existing customers) They support us oldtime users, most of whom have | upgraded as we went along....and we're all more or less registered | with IBM.... | ... | BUT...you cannot buy OS/2 from IBM, they do not support any new users, | ..and they are stopping what support they now give, in 2006 (at least | that is their announcement). | ... | What you need to do, is to go to the largest shrink-wrap reseller of | OS/2 ===== eBay..... | ... | I think you can find lotsa OS/2 there. | ... | FWIW...you should buy only Warp 3 Connect (not the plain old Warp 3), | or Warp 4.. | Either of those will be a good introduction, entry point, to OS/2... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 365) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 10:36:39 pm | | gregy> | Of course, all versions of OS/2 have had extensive "fixpak" upgrades | (all free for download, at least for up to Warp 4, fixpak 16)...even | the newest (called by IBM, Merlin and Aurora - by SerentitySystems, | eCommStation)...which is really Warp 4.51 and Warp 4.52.... | | ============================================================================ | | 366) Sat, Jul 30, 2005 - 10:40:55 pm | | gregy> | Boy...this P133 is really fast. I'm also thinking about what I can do | to improve speed/performance on my 486dlc 40MHz..... | ... | Still have a couple bugs in my setup....and, of course, I'm just working | around that OpDOS701 EMM386 "no CTRL-ALT-DEL" (it crashes the system, | requiring a hare-RESET or PWR OFF reboot)... | .. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 367) Sun, Jul 31, 2005 - 10:39:41 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, Trouble with mail download with 185. Download kept aborting | after 18 emails w/3-4 tries. I had 22-23 emails to download. I finally | downloaded all emails with Juno W$doze software with no problem. The | abort kept occuring after the 1st email of a series of 6 emails from | Greg Mayman. Last email downloaded Subject: [a4dos-list] Re:Re: [OT] | Look at Life (17 First email NOT downloaded Subject: | [a4dos-list] Re:FreeDOS from floppy/RAMdisk | | | ============================================================================ | | 368) Sun, Jul 31, 2005 - 10:57:30 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, The last 4 1/2 lines of Greg M.'s message were chopped off. | See below: | | The newest lyrics on < Last line downloaded | | Should have been: | | The newest lyrics on the Net! | | http://lyrics.astraweb.com | | Click NOW! | | ============================================================================