DOS Testers1 Message Board Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:42:37 ______________________________________________________________________________ | ============================================================================ | | 1) Sun, Oct 02, 2005 - 9:12:43 am | | gregy> | Okay, new board up... | | ============================================================================ | | 2) Sun, Oct 02, 2005 - 9:17:06 am | | gregy> | Okay, Archive is up, and here's the last 11 posts from the Archive. | ... | | ========================================================================== | | | | 425) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 8:10:21 pm | | | | ray> | | Naturaly! But the 'true way' is the direct way and it should be | | encouraged. It is the Windozer who wants everything done for them, | | and done Bill's way to boot. The whole reason that we DOS types | | still exist is that we have a different aproach, thus I think that | | folks who are interested in Arachne in the first place are very | | likely | | to be looking for an alternative to the Windoze approach. | | | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 426) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 8:20:01 pm | | | | glennmcc> | | No DOS user needs to be "encouraged" to do things that way. | | | | We do it automatically with no coaxing what-so-ever. | | | | The same goes for RTFM and help pages and FAQs etc.. etc...etc.. | | | | Anyone... and I do mean ANYONE who does not do it on their own | | without | | coaxing is never and I do mean NEVER going to do it no matewr haow | | much | | encourgment we try to give them. | | | | A user either does it on their own because that's what they want to | | do | | | | Or they don't EVER do it because they don't want to. | | | | And no amount of coaxing is going to change this situation. | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 427) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 8:27:41 pm | | | | ray> | | I get your thrust, but I'm not quite that pesimistic, folks aren't | | totaly static, they do learn new things on occasion, and even have | | been known to change their attitudes. True, there must be a | | predisposition to whatever we want to encourage, but I'm not so | | synical as to believe that nothing whatever can be done. But I grant | | you that no one learns anything unless they are ready to learn it. | | On that subject you are right, no coaxing will make any difference. | | | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 428) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 8:30:17 pm | | | | ray> | | Where is that Gregy? He's due for a general C.M. for going AWOL | | again I'd say < g g g > | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 429) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 9:12:01 pm | | | | glennmcc> | | The hell they aren't that static !!! | | | | Where the heck have you been for all of these emails and posts | | back and forth on the message boards where we try and try to get | | Arachne users to RTFM, or read the FAQ or read _ANY_ of the help | | pages | | we have written ??? | | | | Every single one of them contues to ask the same questions over and | | over | | again that we have already answered over and over again and the | | answers | | to which are right there in those documentation files we keep | | encouraging | | them to read. | | | | No matter how much coaxing we gaive, no ,matter how easy we make it | | to | | get to the needed info no mater how concise and how informative we | | make | | it..... they still flatly refuse to read it. | | | | For god sake... most people still can't even hit 'K' and read | | down-through to see what each of the hotkeys do. | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 430) Wed, Sep 28, 2005 - 9:20:10 pm | | | | glennmcc> | | In addition to that... if you will recall, I setup a separate | | message board for the specific purpose of offering Arachne help. | | | | I then widely publisized it and encoraged users to ask any and all | | questions which might arise. | | | | In the several months it was up... ZERO posts !!!! | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 431) Thu, Sep 29, 2005 - 4:03:14 am | | | | Eric> | | Remember, we have had quite a few posts from list members who | | have set Arachne up for relatives and friends who aren't DOS | | oriented. So all Arachne users are not DOS savy. These people are | | going to run into problems just like the rest of us so the simpler | | we can | | make a minimal working setup then the more happy campers we'll have! | | Those so oriented should be able to reboot and have a working setup | | the same as before the problem occurred which I think happens with | | our | | current releases unless one futzzes with them like we testers do. | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 432) Thu, Sep 29, 2005 - 4:40:45 am | | | | Eric> | | Remember also, I am a manual oriented person if I can find the | | manual! | | I have never had a formal computer course. Everything I know | | about | | computers I learned by manuals, books, lists, and keeping my ears | | open. | | I have been using Arachne now for many years and still have a lot | | to learn about her. Arachne is much improved from when I first | | tried to set her up, but there is still room for improvement. And | | because of "upgrades" | | and W$doze, and winmodems, there will always be a challenge. | | But, on the basis of speed and ease of use for those things she can | | do I would rather use Arachne than a W$doze based machine. | | And I do !!! | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 433) Thu, Sep 29, 2005 - 7:17:00 am | | | | ray> | | G, E, | | | | Yeah I know it's a bit depressing vis. the same question 300 times | | per year. OTOH I continue to maintain that that is in part due | | to imperfections in our help system, which is only to say that if | | the | | latter was better, the former might improve somewhat. | | | | As to the non-DOS Arachne user, point taken, however as I said, I | | think our *initial* instalation should be even easier than it is now | | not harder. I just think that comitted users should have a more | | direct path into the inner sanctums. Heck in my 'DEBUG' core I plan | | to add tons more hand-holding for new users; ease of use and | | direct control are not contradictory goals. | | | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 434) Thu, Sep 29, 2005 - 10:51:34 am | | | | Eric> | | Ray, Remember, ease of use is a relative term, and I'm not talking | | about my cousins. Ease of use to the person who does the | | programming is entirely different than ease of use to a newbie. | | I have done some teaching in a clinical setting monitoring | | students. Every time I got too smug and thought I had seen | | everything there was to see, some student would do something | | that knocked me right on my ass. A newbie is an unpredictable | | entity. You can't take the tools away from him or then he's | | unable to learn, but he has to be closely monitored or he | | can unintentionaly ceate havoc. Direct control of certain | | aspects should be left to the experienced putzer to screw up. | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 435) Thu, Sep 29, 2005 - 12:54:27 pm | | | | ray> | | Eric, | | | | Yup, I agree completely. What I call the 'arogance of the adept' is | | a constant problem, and one that can be fallen into by an | | experienced | | user, esp. a programmer, quite unintentionaly. There is a tension | | between user-friendliness, hands-on power, and works-right-out- | | of-the-box functionality. The goal is to find the best compromises. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 3) Sun, Oct 02, 2005 - 11:30:45 am | | gregy> | 'ello, 'ello...what 'ave we 'ere...??? Are we having a philosophical | discussion...??? | ... | .. | And, Glenn let loose with a rant...??? I can't believe it..!!!!! | ... | | ... | One thing I'm working on, is to do a complete INDEX of the Arachne | HELP system, and add that INDEX to the ArachneHELPSystem... | ... | But, indexing that, right now, is somewhat of a "moving target"... | ...since we seem to be regularly changing the items in our | current ArachneHELPSystem... | ... | Ah, but...possibly I can "shoot it on the wing"..... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 4) Sun, Oct 02, 2005 - 4:32:07 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Hey where have you been? I worr about you getin' run over by your | own tractor or something ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 5) Mon, Oct 03, 2005 - 7:50:50 pm | | gregy> | ah..relax...harvest is over...and I never even hadda help, this year | ... | ... | Well, that is one of the visisitudes of "life on the net"...we can have | pretty good friends/acquaintences and suddenly they just disappear... | .... | Sometimes I have never found out what happened to them..... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 6) Mon, Oct 03, 2005 - 8:10:31 pm | | ray> | What do you grow? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 7) Mon, Oct 03, 2005 - 8:35:08 pm | | toker> | Canibus... I hope. | | ============================================================================ | | 8) Mon, Oct 03, 2005 - 9:45:34 pm | | ray> | Ha, I think not. After oil and gas, Canada's biggest export to | the US is Kanibus :-) | | And you shouldn't say that, who knows who or what might be listening. | Up here, we're on the brink of legalizing the stuff, but down | there I understand you can still do hard time. | | | ============================================================================ | | 9) Mon, Oct 03, 2005 - 10:38:57 pm | | gregy> | Yeah...well...those that argue that "it's not any more harmful than | alcohol." are about to do us in, down here, also...... | ... | And....they're FULL OF SHIT...!!!!!!!!! | ... | I won't apologize for my french.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 10) Mon, Oct 03, 2005 - 10:41:49 pm | | gregy> | My Brother-in-law and my Nephew grow spring/winter wheat, barley, oats, | ah..canola or some other specialty crop (I disremember), and raise lotsa | cows.... | ... | he he...I've managed to skate on the "calf-pulling" for a number of | years, and these past couple years, I've not really helped them with the | harvest, either. And this year, I completely "dropped out".... | | | ============================================================================ | | 11) Mon, Oct 03, 2005 - 10:53:00 pm | | gregy> | Glenn, | New, experimental CORE - AR187NEW.EXE...on both my Cyrix 486dlc40MHz and | my P133 boxes, under both Op701 and MS622, stock memory managers, on | the page http://my.yahoo.com/ gives: | MSDOS 6.22 | 1. At the login page (after complete download, just as it begins to | display the page) - complete LOCKUP | 2. After loging in, at my MyYahoo HomePage (after complete download, | just as it begins to display the page) - complete LOCKUP | OpDOS 7.01 | 1. At the login page (after complete download, just as it begins to | display the page) - MemoryManager Dump, with lotsa register info, yada | yada, and requires reboot | 2. After loging in, at my MyYahoo HomePage (after complete download, | just as it begins to display the page) - continuously scrolling (line | after line) display of the ArachneErrorMessage: | Illegal xswap offset ! | Illegal xswap offset ! | Illegal xswap offset ! | Illegal xswap offset ! | Illegal xswap offset ! | yada | yada | (you get the message......) | | | ============================================================================ | | 12) Mon, Oct 03, 2005 - 10:56:32 pm | | gregy> | I can give you my Yahoo Username/Password for access, but you also have | one, so you might try it with yours, before asking for mine.. | ... | NOTICE - Other than for that, the CORE187 is in daily, constant use, | for all my cruising needs, and has never exhibited any of these problems | (or any others).....he he....leave it to Yahoo to come up with THE | blowzer-buster webpage.......however...that REALLY does us a | favor, since it exposes something...I don't know what...but something. | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 13) Mon, Oct 03, 2005 - 11:00:30 pm | | gregy> | Glenn, Ray...What I do, when I run into such a problem as the 187 one, | is swap-in 1.85core, or even, an older one....to check things out... | ... | Which is why I constantly stress, backward-compatability....the ability | to (at least, for the previous 5-6 cores) swap-in, with full expectation | that they will interoperate compatably) is a total PLUS...++++++++ | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 14) Mon, Oct 03, 2005 - 11:10:21 pm | | gregy> | Oh, BTW, Glenn....that is with that 187core in "normal" mode, without | the "download-'til-done-before-display" function activated... | | | ============================================================================ | | 15) Mon, Oct 03, 2005 - 11:11:10 pm | | gregy> | Therefore, you might want to remove that functionality from your new | 1.87 distro unless we get it fully ironed out... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 16) Mon, Oct 03, 2005 - 11:13:19 pm | | gregy> | Oh, BTW2...I have often complained about that Op701 MemoryManager, but, | in this present case, it sure gives me some more useful info than the | MS622 MemoryManager does....I mean....some error info is a lot more | enlightening than "just plain lockup"..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 17) Tue, Oct 04, 2005 - 7:12:12 am | | ray> | Gregy, | | Yup, pot it bad stuff alright, I've seen what it can do over time | myself. It's just that folks up here realize that the state has | better things to do with it's (OUR!!) money than engage in a | totaly futile effort to stop millions of us from using the drug | of our choice -- and Canada is a nanny state! | | | ============================================================================ | | 18) Tue, Oct 04, 2005 - 10:48:12 am | | gregy> | yeah...well....different strokes, etc.... | ... | however...all "drugs" are fat-soluable....alcohol is water-soluable... | ... | all drugs (especially pot) will lodge in fat cells and in neural cells. | ... | guess what that means for "drying out"....??? | ... | And it explains the meaning of "flashback"..... | ... | As a dried-out alcoholic, I don't recommend any of it...but....of all | the "trips"...the alcohol one is the least deadly... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 19) Tue, Oct 04, 2005 - 7:58:45 pm | | ray> | Yup, it takes for ever to clean out your system after you've been | a pot head for several years. Hey that makes two dry alkies here, | you and Glenn. Me, I'd love to drink more, but it's so damned | expencive. | | | ============================================================================ | | 20) Tue, Oct 04, 2005 - 11:07:17 pm | | gregy> | yeah......and it's SOOOOO much effort to "climb back on that | wagon" again...I mean, climb back on the "booze wagon".....see...some | alkies look at things the opposite of non-alkies....most drinkers say, | "Fall off the wagon" when they start drinking, again....me...I say it | the other way around....'cause it's more true.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 21) Tue, Oct 04, 2005 - 11:08:30 pm | | gregy> | Glenn....did you notice that bug report is posted, above, about the | 187new core, giving me the "Illegal xswap offset!" error...????? | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 22) Tue, Oct 04, 2005 - 11:09:20 pm | | gregy> | Oh, Ray, the URLs for your b6-aexe/src.zips are posted over on the adev | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 23) Wed, Oct 05, 2005 - 7:06:26 am | | ray> | Ooops! ... forgot the .bat. Can you rezip that with the rest Gregy? | I'll send it right now. | | | ============================================================================ | | 24) Wed, Oct 05, 2005 - 11:25:58 am | | gregy> | nope...but...I'll download my email, this afternoon, and upload the | zipped .BAT by itself... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 25) Wed, Oct 05, 2005 - 11:31:15 am | | glennmcc> | Never, and I do mean NEVER attempt to login at my.yahoo.com | | Always, and I do mean ALWAYS login at mail.yahoo.com | | NEVER, NEVER, NEVER !!!!!!! AT MY.YAHOO.COM !!!!!!! | | ============================================================================ | | 26) Wed, Oct 05, 2005 - 6:10:57 pm | | ray> | Gregy, ok, that's fine too, anyone who's liable to use my core | otta know by now that they'd better use my .bat too ;-) | I'd rather you rezipped it into the others but no matter. | | | ============================================================================ | | 27) Wed, Oct 05, 2005 - 10:53:51 pm | | gregy> | Ray....of course.......that was a snot-alecky remark... | ... | It's rezipped up and uploaded to the /apub/ directory... | ... | BTW...brace yourself...you STILL haven't fully justified that customized | .BAT to me....and until that's done, you can't confidently issue your | distro with it....WHY...?? | ... | Well, I'm only the FIRST of the Arachne-snotties that are gonna scorch | your ears, when they run into "things"...so....just let me look at it | for a couple days, and I'll get back to you with some pounding questions | .... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 28) Wed, Oct 05, 2005 - 11:00:06 pm | | gregy> | Glenn, | "Always, and I do mean ALWAYS login at mail.yahoo.com" | ... | Yes, that seems to be the case.....HOWEVER..(you KNEW there was an | "however" didn't you..???)...it does it with ALL three of my OSes on | both my 486 and P133 boxes, and it does NOT do it with CORE185 from | the standard distro....so..... | ... | You don't suppose you MIGHT wanna clip that CORE187 hangnails off a | tad, before you issue it in your new standard distro....??? | ... | AND...BTW...I ALWAYS login to MyYahoo and NEVER login to MailYahoo.. | ...WHY...???.....'cause I wanna use my customized YahooPortalPage, | and that's why.... | ... | And, I'll bet there's some other dudes who wanna do that, too....or... | (hopefully) will be some other dudes in the future, who will be using | MyYahoo......and....they're gonna scorch our ears if our >185 cores | all "illegal xwap offset !" error out on them.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 29) Wed, Oct 05, 2005 - 11:03:51 pm | | gregy> | NOTE - I LIKE 187...but...but....it's my JOB to be contrarian, here, and | Eric's job, too...so...we're gonna try to pound these cores beFORE you | suffer the embarrassment of issuing one with some "hanging chad" on it | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 30) Wed, Oct 05, 2005 - 11:15:56 pm | | gregy> | Oh, BTW2..Glenn....I've been running into that error occasionally on | some NewsYahoo pages, also..... | ... | Not often, and I read my news on Yahoo, AP and AFP, so I'm using it | there consistently....and 187 usually (infact, everywhere) works | superbly...just that a couple times I've click links on other sites | that pointed to some NewsYahoo article, and it downloaded and POOOF... | ...blew up as soon as CORE187 started to display it... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 31) Wed, Oct 05, 2005 - 11:20:33 pm | | gregy> | Oh, and that's the 436,584byte CORE187, just incase I've gotten a lemon, | and haven't swapped it.... | ... | I might have missed out on some refresh you sent me..... | ... | Which brings up the question.... | QUESTION: | Glenn and Ray.... | Which CORES are still active...I mean...which ones do you still want | Testers to keep testing, and which ones can we throw away...??? | ... | I'm not talking about previous standard distro CORES...we will keep | them for reference/comparison purposes....but....just the experimental | ones that you've sent over the past couple months... | ...????? | | | ============================================================================ | | 32) Thu, Oct 06, 2005 - 2:16:06 am | | Eric> | Gregy, | Good question, I've got way too many cores! BTW, am I supposed | | ============================================================================ | | 33) Thu, Oct 06, 2005 - 2:21:14 am | | gregy> | Eric...the URL is under the URL in Post #49 on the Adev board.... | ... | I think Ray meant that for Vladimir, but, if he wants us to, we might | could try it.... | ... | As long as he tells us what to look out for...... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 34) Thu, Oct 06, 2005 - 7:09:21 am | | ray> | Gregy, | | As to my .bat, you were going to get back to me with any questions | you had, so I'll 'justify my changes' then if you want. Or I can | write a little essay on the subject ahead of time. | | As to 'hanging chads' right! We should formaly get into the habit | of having a stable distro and an experimental distro, just like with | LINUX. | | As to too many cores. With me, you always test the latest, the others | could be disposed of, however, if you can store them out of the way | without too much trouble, that's best for one simple reason which | you just demonstrated above -- sometimes an older core if free | of some bug that a newer core has. In such cases being able to narrow | down the first core with the bug as much as possible is very helpful | in isolating it and the more cores you have the more narrowly you | can do that. | | ============================================================================ | | 35) Thu, Oct 06, 2005 - 7:11:46 am | | ray> | Cores that I consider to be experimental will have the '!', the rest | should be usable and testable by you and Eric without any particular | trouble. Anyway, if/when Glenn comes over to my code line, things | should become a whole lot simpler in regards to all aspects of | debugging and sorting out what's what. | | | ============================================================================ | | 36) Thu, Oct 06, 2005 - 1:36:00 pm | | Eric> | Hey guy's....I wonder whay happened to Lee Gold. | He seemed to vanish into the fog! | | | ============================================================================ | | 37) Thu, Oct 06, 2005 - 4:57:46 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | The problem with goiong directly to http://my.yahoo.com/ is the fact | that the page you get before being logged-in is so baddly poluted with | JS that it is almost certain to crash Arachne. | | By doing your login at http://mail.yahoo.com/ and THEN going to | my.yahoo.com ....... you now will get your own page which you have | selected in your Yahoo options to be free of JS | | You _have_ selected that in your personal options.... haven't you ????? | | | Anyways, be that as it may...... | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/187-1006.zip | (brand new complile made just a couple of minutes ago) | | ============================================================================ | | 38) Thu, Oct 06, 2005 - 5:10:22 pm | | glennmcc> | Oh yeah... one other _major_ point. | | You _did_ follow my recomendation on the 'Internet settings' setup page. | | _Didn't you_ ???? | | IgnoreJS should only be enabled in those situations where a page will not di | correctly and you suspect that the problem might be either invalid or incorr | commented JS. At all other times, IgnoreJS should be left disabled. | | Therefore... you _do_ have IgnoreJS turned off... don't you ????? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 39) Thu, Oct 06, 2005 - 5:16:06 pm | | glennmcc> | Re:"Which CORES are still active...I mean...which ones do you still want | Testers to keep testing, and which ones can we throw away...???" | | Download 187-1006.zip and delete all previous ones from me. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 40) Thu, Oct 06, 2005 - 5:22:18 pm | | ray> | Why do we *ever* need JS 'on' ?? We can't read any of it so it would | seem to me that if 'IgnoreJS' ever needs to be set to NO then it must | be faulty, and must be infact doing something non-JS, 'cause otherwise | we could and should ignore JS all the time. See what I'm getting at? | | | ============================================================================ | | 41) Thu, Oct 06, 2005 - 5:25:44 pm | | ray> | FWIW I have IgnoreJS == Yes and that seems to work just fine. | I can get to my yahoo, tho I'm not sure that it's showing what it | should. | | ============================================================================ | | 42) Thu, Oct 06, 2005 - 6:17:58 pm | | glennmcc> | Have you never read what I put on opt_net.ah ???? | | Ignore all JS. | Turning this option on means that Arachne will "jump" from the | "SCRIPT" tag to the "/SCRIPT" tag and ignore everything in between. | This feature is highly experimental and may cause some sites to not display | (if html is used inside of those tags) | | IgnoreJS should only be enabled in those situations where a page will not di | correctly and you suspect that the problem might be either invalid or incorr | commented JS. At all other times, IgnoreJS should be left disabled. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 43) Thu, Oct 06, 2005 - 7:19:35 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Just now uploaded an example page that requires 'IgnoreJS No' | | First, visit the URL with 'IgnoreJS Yes' | | Now visit again with 'IgnoreJS No'. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 44) Thu, Oct 06, 2005 - 8:57:32 pm | | ray> | Well, ummm, errr, I did read that a long time ago <;-) | | As to the page, with JS Y I get lots of empty red boxes, without | all I get is the 'pretty screwed up eh?' But the former at least | alearts me to the fact that there's more there .... hmmmm, with | JS off, shouldn't I see less stuff, not more? | | Let me check that out with your core BRB. | | ============================================================================ | | 45) Thu, Oct 06, 2005 - 8:59:02 pm | | ray> | Yup, same exactly with your core, so I haven't made anything different | there. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 46) Thu, Oct 06, 2005 - 8:59:52 pm | | ray> | Well, never mind, I don't even speak HTML, let alone JS, so what I | don't know won't hurt me. | | | ============================================================================ | | 47) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 5:56:32 am | | gregy> | my MyYahoo preferences....??? You gotta be kidding....I mean, this is | gregy....the dude who HATES JS, especially on Yahoo..... | ... | IgnoreJS=No....??? | ... | Again, of course, I was one of the instigators of that, and I READ and | FOLLOWED, precisely, what you had notified us to do at that time... | ...< g g> | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 48) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 6:01:53 am | | gregy> | Now...I got the 187-1006core, and will give it a work out.....however.. | (you knew this was coming, didn't you.......) | ...however...perhaps you have overlooked part of my bugreport....that | MyYahoo mainpage and login page - http://my.yahoo.com/ and the login | page clicked from there.... | ...those pages work just fine with your CORE185.....so....something | has changed, between the 185 and 187, and it isn't just on those two | pages,....see my followup BTW post that mentions that I've had it | occur on a couple (very very few, but a couple) of other pages, mostly | (as far as I can remember) news.yahoo.com pages.... | ... | So, whenever I need to click my link to MyYahoo, I'm now just | substituting in the 185core and going... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 49) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 2:30:32 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Have your found any other irregularities with 187-1006 | other than those related to Yahoo? I have it running now..... | so far no problems. | | ============================================================================ | | 50) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 6:57:03 pm | | Eric> | Sorry Glenn, I'm getting aborts when downloading emails with 187-1006 | core. Has been working well with ERIC core you gave me. Doesn't | usually abort right away...usually gets 5 or 6 emails...but sometimes | aborts right at start. | | ============================================================================ | | 51) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 7:05:00 pm | | glennmcc> | OK gregy, | | Let me see if I understand correctly the troubles you were having. | | With my older 1.87........ with "IgnoreJS No" and "Https2Http Yes" | | http://my.yahoo.com/ == crash | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login? == crash | http://news.yahoo.com/ == crash | | All of the above happen sometimmes but not always. | | Do I got it right ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 52) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 7:11:12 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | 'kill' that one.... try this one........ | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/187-1007.zip | | | ============================================================================ | | 53) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 7:26:31 pm | | glennmcc> | Just now back from hitting 'Q' at my.yahoo.com _before_ being logged-in. | | --------- history.lst ------- | http://my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/login/newheader/*http:/login.yahoo.com/config/logi | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/signup/newheader_toreg/evt=31300/*http:/edit.yahoo | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/signup/newbody_toreg/evt=31300/*http:/edit.yahoo.c | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/login/newbody/*http:/login.yahoo.com/config/login? | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/ar/*http://ar.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/br/*http://br.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/ca/*http://ca.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/mx/*http://mx.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/uschin/*http://chinese.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/usespa/*http://espanol.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/fr/*http://fr.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/de/*http://de.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/it/*http://it.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/es/*http://es.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/uk/*http://uk.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/au/*http://au.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/cn/*http://cn.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/hk/*http://hk.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/in/*http://in.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/jp/*http://my.yahoo.co.jp/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/kr/*http://kr.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/sg/*http://sg.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/tw/*http://tw.my.yahoo.com/ | http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/my/ | http://docs.yahoo.com/info/copyright/copyright.html | http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ | http://help.yahoo.com/ | http://my.yahoo.com/s/guest-promo.php | _____________________________ | | BRB after doing it again _after_ logging-in. | | | ============================================================================ | | 54) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 7:31:20 pm | | glennmcc> | http://my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/login/newheader/*http:/login.yahoo.com/config/logi | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/signup/newheader_toreg/evt=31300/*http:/edit.yahoo | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/signup/newbody_toreg/evt=31300/*http:/edit.yahoo.c | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/login/newbody/*http:/login.yahoo.com/config/login? | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/ar/*http://ar.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/br/*http://br.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/ca/*http://ca.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/mx/*http://mx.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/uschin/*http://chinese.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/usespa/*http://espanol.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/fr/*http://fr.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/de/*http://de.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/it/*http://it.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/es/*http://es.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/uk/*http://uk.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/au/*http://au.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/cn/*http://cn.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/hk/*http://hk.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/in/*http://in.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/jp/*http://my.yahoo.co.jp/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/kr/*http://kr.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/sg/*http://sg.my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/guest/intl/tw/*http://tw.my.yahoo.com/ | http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/my/ | http://docs.yahoo.com/info/copyright/copyright.html | http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ | http://help.yahoo.com/ | http://my.yahoo.com/s/guest-promo.php | | | ============================================================================ | | 55) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 7:31:44 pm | | glennmcc> | Now on to mail.yahoo.com while logged-in | | ============================================================================ | | 56) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 7:46:58 pm | | glennmcc> | http://us.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Welcome?YY=98752 | http://us.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/ShowFolder?rb=Inbox&YY=98752&YN=1 | http://us.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?YY=98752 | http://us.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Folders?YY=98752 | http://us.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Search?YY=98752 | http://us.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Options?YY=98752 | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/nav/?http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/ | http://us.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Logout?YY=98752 | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/nav/?http://greetings.yahoo.com | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/nav/?http://paydirect.yahoo.com/PD/onePage/on | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/pimnav/welcome/?http://www.yahoo.com | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/pimnav/welcome/?http://my.yahoo.com | http://us.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Options?YY=98752 | http://us.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Logout?YY=98752 | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/help/?http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/cont | http://us.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/welcome?YY=98752 | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/pimnav/welcome/?http://address.yahoo.com/yab/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/pimnav/welcome/?http://calendar.yahoo.com | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/pimnav/welcome/?http://calendar.yahoo.com/?YY | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/pimnav/welcome/?http://calendar.yahoo.com | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/pimnav/welcome/?http://calendar.yahoo.com/?YY | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/pimnav/welcome/?http://notepad.yahoo.com/?YY= | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/help/?http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/cont | http://us.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/ShowFolder?rb=Inbox&YY=98752&YN=1 | http://us.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/External?GET=1&blanket=1&.crumb=JYyO9mP3Ohl | http://ordering.yahoo.com/or/ypm/splash?577&Pkgs=us%3aym%3aspace&.osig=3Anzm | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/O=1/footer/trough_promo/evt=179/?http://personals.yah | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://address.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://auctions.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://autos.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://briefcase.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://calendar.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://chat.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://classifieds.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://finance.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://games.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://geocities.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://greetings.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://groups.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://www.yahooligans.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://www.launch.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://mail.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://maps.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://members.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://messenger.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://mobile.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://movies.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://music.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://my.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://news.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://paydirect.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://people.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/O=1/footer/?http://personals.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://photos.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://platinum.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://shopping.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://sports.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://tv.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://travel.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://warehouse.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://weather.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://yp.yahoo.com/ | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/footer/?http://docs.yahoo.com/docs/family/more.html | http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/mail/ | http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ | http://docs.yahoo.com/info/guidelines/mail.html | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tos/?http://www.yahoo.com | http://us.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/login?.rand=80ov15n44qko9 | | ============================================================================ | | 57) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 7:47:19 pm | | glennmcc> | And we'll try news.yahoo.com | | | ============================================================================ | | 58) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 8:07:59 pm | | glennmcc> | http://news.yahoo.com/ | http://news.yahoo.com/i/718 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/749 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/721 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/762 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/755 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/738 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/703 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/753 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/751 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/964 | http://news.yahoo.com/page/sitemap | http://news.yahoo.com/photos | http://news.yahoo.com/i/742 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/815 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/757 | http://news.yahoo.com/comics | http://weather.yahoo.com/ | http://news.yahoo.com/fc | http://news.yahoo.com/video | http://hotzone.yahoo.com/ | http://search.news.yahoo.com/usns/ynsearch/categories/advanced/index.html | http://hotzone.yahoo.com/ | http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/supreme_court | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_re_us/nyc_subway | http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/ts/100605nycsubway | javascript:void(window.open('http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/free?ch=49799&c | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_rove | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq | http://news.yahoo.com/customize/content | http://news.yahoo.com/customize/layout | http://news.yahoo.com/customize/weather | http://news.yahoo.com/i/716 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/514 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/578 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1504 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2026 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/676 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2352 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1016 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_co/delay_indictment | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/centam_flooding | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_su_co/miers | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_he_me/cold_remedies | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_en_mu/boy_george_arrested | http://news.yahoo.com/i/514 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/578 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1504 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2026 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/676 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2352 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1016 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index2&cid=2270 | http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index2&cid=2027 | http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index2&cid=959 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/964 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1776 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1760 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20051007/ts_latimes/avoicethatcarries | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_fe_st/ig_nobels | http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051006/lf_afp/afplifestyledeath | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_en_tv/sex_offender_oprah | http://news.yahoo.com/i/964 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1776 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1760 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | http://news.yahoo.com/i/721 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/535 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/586 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1511 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2351 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2398 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1010 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1856 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/centam_flooding | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_re_eu/nobel_peace | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_gay_priests | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_death_squads | http://news.yahoo.com/i/535 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/586 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1511 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2351 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2398 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1010 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1856 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | http://news.yahoo.com/i/718 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/533 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1895 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1505 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2432 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2145 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_re_us/nyc_subway | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_re_us/new_orleans_out_of_town_work | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_re_us/katrina_flooding | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/new_spying_rule | http://news.yahoo.com/i/533 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1895 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1505 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2432 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2145 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | http://news.yahoo.com/i/703 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/536 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/584 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1520 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/710 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2408 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1011 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_rove | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_co/delay_indictment | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_co/katrina_energy | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_co/katrina_politics | http://news.yahoo.com/i/536 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/584 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1520 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/710 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2408 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1011 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | http://news.yahoo.com/i/749 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/530 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/580 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1518 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/66 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/677 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1009 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1106 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_bi_st_ma_re/wall_street | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_co/katrina_energy | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_bi_ge/vioxx_litigation | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_bi_ge/adelphia_fraud | http://news.yahoo.com/i/530 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/580 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1518 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/66 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/677 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1009 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1106 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | | | ============================================================================ | | 59) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 8:10:01 pm | | glennmcc> | continued from last post............. | | http://news.yahoo.com/i/753 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1894 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/585 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1539 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/96 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2142 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1850 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_sc/russia_spacecraft | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_sc/russia_polar_satellite | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_sc/gas_fields_mule_deer | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_ot/epa_air_pollution | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_sc/wst_whirling_disease | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1894 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/585 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1539 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/96 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2142 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1850 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | http://news.yahoo.com/i/738 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/528 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/581 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/711 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1093 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2314 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1510 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_hi_te/robot_race | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_hi_te/blackberry_patent_suit | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_hi_te/gm_techworld | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_hi_te/virtual_desktops | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_hi_te/verisign_weblogs_com | http://news.yahoo.com/i/528 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/581 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/711 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1093 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2314 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1510 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | http://news.yahoo.com/i/751 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/534 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/594 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/97 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1507 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2142 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1434 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_he_me/cold_remedies | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_he_me/us_bird_flu | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_he_me/cancer_vaccine | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_he_me/canada_illness | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_bi_ge/vioxx_litigation | http://news.yahoo.com/i/534 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/594 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/97 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1507 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2142 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1434 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | http://news.yahoo.com/i/762 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/529 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/579 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2333 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/799 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/680 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2144 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_en_ce/boy_george_arrested | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_en_ce/people_lil__kim | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_en_ce/people_sexiest_woman | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_en_tv/people_fantasia | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_en_tv/sex_offender_oprah | http://news.yahoo.com/i/529 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/579 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2333 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/799 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/680 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2144 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | http://news.yahoo.com/i/755 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/531 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/577 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/95 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/678 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/94 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1522 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_sp_ba_ga_su/bba_white_sox_red_sox | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bba_red_sox_no_repeat | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbc_sugar_bowl_atlanta | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_chiefs_sampson_hospit | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bba_angels_yankees | http://news.yahoo.com/i/531 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/577 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/95 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/678 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/94 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1522 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | | | ============================================================================ | | 60) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 8:10:44 pm | | glennmcc> | continued from last post............. | | http://news.yahoo.com/i/753 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1894 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/585 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1539 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/96 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2142 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1850 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_sc/russia_spacecraft | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_sc/russia_polar_satellite | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_sc/gas_fields_mule_deer | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_ot/epa_air_pollution | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_sc/wst_whirling_disease | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1894 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/585 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1539 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/96 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2142 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1850 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | http://news.yahoo.com/i/738 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/528 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/581 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/711 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1093 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2314 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1510 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_hi_te/robot_race | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_hi_te/blackberry_patent_suit | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_hi_te/gm_techworld | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_hi_te/virtual_desktops | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_hi_te/verisign_weblogs_com | http://news.yahoo.com/i/528 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/581 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/711 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1093 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2314 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1510 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | http://news.yahoo.com/i/751 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/534 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/594 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/97 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1507 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2142 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1434 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_he_me/cold_remedies | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_he_me/us_bird_flu | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_he_me/cancer_vaccine | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_he_me/canada_illness | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_bi_ge/vioxx_litigation | http://news.yahoo.com/i/534 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/594 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/97 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1507 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2142 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1434 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | http://news.yahoo.com/i/762 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/529 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/579 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2333 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/799 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/680 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2144 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_en_ce/boy_george_arrested | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_en_ce/people_lil__kim | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_en_ce/people_sexiest_woman | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_en_tv/people_fantasia | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_en_tv/sex_offender_oprah | http://news.yahoo.com/i/529 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/579 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2333 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/799 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/680 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2144 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | | | | ============================================================================ | | 61) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 8:11:37 pm | | glennmcc> | continued from last post............. | | http://news.yahoo.com/i/755 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/531 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/577 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/95 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/678 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/94 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1522 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_sp_ba_ga_su/bba_white_sox_red_sox | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bba_red_sox_no_repeat | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbc_sugar_bowl_atlanta | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_chiefs_sampson_hospit | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bba_angels_yankees | http://news.yahoo.com/i/531 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/577 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/95 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/678 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/94 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1522 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | http://news.yahoo.com/i/757 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/583 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/816 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/856 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1516 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051007/od_nm/qaeda_jobs_odds_dc | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051007/od_nm/croatia_blood_dc | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051007/od_nm/britain_santa_dc | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051007/od_nm/brazil_psychic_dc | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051007/od_nm/russia_art_dc | http://news.yahoo.com/i/583 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/816 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/856 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/1516 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | http://news.yahoo.com/i/742 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/679 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2353 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2280 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2413 | http://e.my.yahoo.com/config/cstore?.page=p1&.partner=orion-andro1&.intl=us& | http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051007/cm_usatoday/storymakesstrongcasefo | http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051007/cm_usatoday/bushmisseschanceincour | http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051007/cm_usatoday/bankfeesyouretoblame | http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051007/cm_usatoday/bennettcouldlearnfromg | http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051007/cm_usatoday/notacookbookbutitwater | http://news.yahoo.com/i/679 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2353 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2280 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2413 | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yn&partner=&.v=&.u=&.intl=us&.done= | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/cnn/brand/SIG=10upousbp/**http%3A%2F%2Fwww. | javascript:void(window.open('http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/free?ch=49799&c | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2444 | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/abc/brand/SIG=ij43l5/*http://transfer.go.co | javascript:void(window.open('http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/free?ch=61492&c | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2453 | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ap/brand/SIG=br2v03/*http://www.ap.org | javascript:void(window.open('http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/free?ch=68276&c | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2521 | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/cnn/brand/SIG=10upousbp/**http%3A%2F%2Fwww. | javascript:void(window.open('http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/free?ch=49799&c | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2446 | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/cnn/brand/SIG=10upousbp/**http%3A%2F%2Fwww. | javascript:void(window.open('http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/free?ch=49799&c | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2449 | http://news.yahoo.com/ | http://news.yahoo.com/video | http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/news/cgi_feedback | http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World/Iraq | http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/Bush_Administration | http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World/Nobel_Prize | http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/Supreme_Court | http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/Hurricane_Katrina | http://news.yahoo.com/fc | http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/photos_highlight_fp | http://news.yahoo.com/photos | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/external/cnn/rss_cnn_mostpop/mayormovestohe | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/external/abc/rss_abc_topstories/subwayterro | http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/external/cnn/rss_cnn_bs/judgewantskpmgunder | http://news.yahoo.com/i/964 | http://news.yahoo.com/comics | http://news.yahoo.com/snapshots/ | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/history | http://news.yahoo.com/i/2279 | http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/news/beta/beta-29.html | http://news.messages.yahoo.com/index.html | http://lottery.yahoo.com/ | http://dir.yahoo.com/News_and_Media/By_Region/ | http://dir.yahoo.com/News_and_Media/ | http://biz.yahoo.com/ne.html | http://sports.yahoo.com/ | http://health.yahoo.com/news/ | http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/entnews/main/ | http://et.tv.yahoo.com/ | http://insider.tv.yahoo.com/ | http://news.yahoo.com/rss | http://alerts.yahoo.com/main.php?view=create_news_step1&.done=http://news.ya | http://alerts.yahoo.com/config/edit_notification?.t=w&.s=f&.done=http://news | http://news.yahoo.com/page/sitemap | http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/news/beta/index.html | http://www.yahoo.com/ | http://my.yahoo.com/ | http://mail.yahoo.com/ | http://search.news.yahoo.com/usns/ynsearch/categories/advanced/index.html | http://news.yahoo.com/ | http://news.yahoo.com/i/718 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/749 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/721 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/762 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/755 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/738 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/703 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/753 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/751 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/964 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/757 | http://news.yahoo.com/i/742 | http://news.yahoo.com/ | | ============================================================================ | | 62) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 8:12:23 pm | | glennmcc> | Is all of that proof enuough that she works fine at Yahoo ? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 63) Fri, Oct 07, 2005 - 8:14:58 pm | | glennmcc> | 172 yahoo pages in my cache ought to be enough for anyone. | | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 64) Sat, Oct 08, 2005 - 5:04:30 am | | vbm> | Ray, at least your core can creating self arachne.pck! congratulation! ;-))) | but if choosing video-mode 1024x768 1 MB 256 colors and pressing | greys "+" or "-" instead normal texts displayed garbage, mainly points. | if choosing video-mode: 1024x768 2 MB HiColor, then pressing greys "+" or " | giving only refresh screen - no change resolutions. | truly, garbages are disappears if exit and run again Arachne. ;-))) | | | BTW, your ARACHNE.BAT need correcting these lines: | ... | if not exist arachne.cfg call setup.bat | if not exist arachne.pck call setup.bat | ... | | ============================================================================ | | 65) Sat, Oct 08, 2005 - 8:50:58 am | | ray> | Vladimir, | | zaraza, that's good about arachne.pck. | | Thanks for the bug report about resolution, I just ckecked and you | are right. Glenn has some code to protect against this in his core, | but I left it out because I think there is a better way to do it. | | I will look at this and get back to you. | | Also, I take your word for it about 'call' above in the .bat. | But note that Glenn's original .bat has no 'call' there either. | | | ============================================================================ | | 66) Sat, Oct 08, 2005 - 11:42:11 am | | ray> | Vladimir, here is the bug: | | SVGASTAT.C: | | trysmallerfont: | if (CurrentSize == size && | // "CurrentSyle == style" won't work! Change in resolution gives bad lin | | //OOOPS, LOGIC ERROR HERE, MISPLACED '!' <;-) | | !((CurrentStyle ^ style) & (BOLD | ITALIC | FIXED))) | // ^ GOOD ^ BAD | | return; // the same size and style as current, nothing to do | { | char string[80]; | char _ss *s; | | s = (char _ss *)strcat(strcpy(string, gExePath), "system\\"); | s += strlen(s); | | if (size == SYSFONT) | strcat(string, sUI.sysfont); | | | ============================================================================ | | 67) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 5:12:52 am | | gregy> | Glenn, Re: Post 52...."kill that"...I deduce, since you haven't said | otherwise, that these 187-1006 and 1007 COREs still have that "Download | BeforeDisplay" functionality that you originally coded into CORE187new | ....???? | And, that you want us to discard the 187-1006 core....?? and use the | 1007core...??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 68) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 5:45:58 am | | gregy> | Glenn, Re: Post 51...I apologize for any misunderstanding. I TRIED to | list my bug clearly, but...we all know...sometimes we miss between the | sender and the recipient.... | "With my older 1.87........ with "IgnoreJS No" and "Https2Http Yes" | | http://my.yahoo.com/ == crash | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login? == crash | http://news.yahoo.com/ == crash | | All of the above happen sometimmes but not always." | | http://news.yahoo.com/ never crashes, BUT, sometimes, a link to a "news. | yahoo.com/article/yada.yada" from another site has occasionally crashed | with the "illegal xswap offset !" error. | | Yehaw has just (within the past few days, since I first noticed this | bug) changed the page referenced by "http://my.yahoo.com"...NOW, that | link leads to: | http://my.yahoo.com/s/guest-promo.php | ...where you click the link "SignIn" which takes you to: | http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.page=p1&.partner=&.intl=us&.done=http%3 | ...where entering my uname=gjfeig, pword=foxtrot ...will take you to | MyYahoo for gjfeig.... | This (my personal MyYahoo page) will smoothly download until finished, | then go into the "display the page mode" THEN POOF!!! "illegal xswap | offset !" error...scrolling off the page, and required PWR OFF to | reboot. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 69) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 5:53:46 am | | gregy> | I hope that's more clear, now..... | ... | BECAUSE...I can report that CORE187-1007 (just now d/led and swapped in) | successfully goes thru the whole procedure and correctly displays my | MyYahoo page, and also successfully navigates thru my whole MyYahooMail, | etc, etc... | ...so....bug squashed...!!!..... | ... | BTW...my understanding and experience of "Q" is that "Q" downloads the | links on a page "in the background (i.e. does the download without | displaying each page)" while we continue to read the original page..?? | ... | Is this correct....?? | .. | If that is correct, then your experience with "Qing" all the yahoo pages | would be what I would expect, also...since my bugreport noted that the | "illegal xswap offset !" error only occurred when Arachne began to | display the downloaded page... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 70) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 5:58:12 am | | gregy> | ANYWAY....I have now substituted core187-1007 for core187new (your first | 187core that you posted for me).... | ...and I understand that you want us to abandon the core187new and the | core187-1006.... | ..is this correct....??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 71) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 6:02:01 am | | gregy> | BTW...if you'll notice, Yehaw page that "http://my.yahoo.com/" now | brings up is a .PHP page.......whereas, in the past, their pages have | been those awful .JSP things....so....maybe they're starting to get | smart and not staying "Stuck on Stupid"...... | | | ============================================================================ | | 72) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 8:57:30 am | | Eric> | Gentlemen, What are these .jsp and .php pages? I've been | meaning to ask that for a long time. | | | ============================================================================ | | 73) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 9:05:02 am | | gregy> | Eric...they are the "type" of page, on the server, that are being asked | for by the browser. Meaning, that when you ask for a .PHP page, that | page is "run thru the PHP engine" on the server to generate the actual | HTML page that the server then delivers to your browser. | ... | The .JSP pages are "JavaServerPages"....we never see the "Jave", only | the server's JavaEngine sees the java as it processes the .JSPpage | before delivering the resultant HTML page to your browser. | ... | As for what .PHP stands for....I forgot.........BUT..BUT...it | ain't "java"..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 74) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 9:06:56 am | | gregy> | Just FWIW....Glenn....Eric...et al, I've been cruising with Glenn's new | CORE187-1007 for the past few hours, and it hasn't let me down once.. | ... | ... | As I said...it's now my "standard" cruising core....which should give | it a bit more of a workout.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 75) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 9:09:08 am | | Eric> | Glenn, I just downloaded 8 emails with 187-1007 sucessfully. | No aborts! | | | ============================================================================ | | 76) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 9:13:59 am | | Eric> | Thanks Gregy, I thought maybe .php was shot for "probably has | problems"! | | ============================================================================ | | 77) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 9:44:10 am | | Eric> | Gregy, If I understand you correctly, the web pages are written | in different languages which are interpreted and converted to HTML | for the internet. Is that right! | | ============================================================================ | | 78) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 10:18:34 am | | gregy> | Yes, Eric...that's about right. To get a flavor of what's going on, | you will find it interesting to "read the source" for this .PHP page, | that is available by clicking the "Free-SRC" link below (don't worry, | it's only a couple of Kbytes of text file).... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 79) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 10:31:32 am | | gregy> | What there is, Eric, on each server, is a "command interpreter" for | whatever script that gets called. I mean, if a server had a VisualBasic | script interpreter on it, you could write your pages as ".VBS" pages, | and then when one was requested, the server would run it thru the VB | interpreter to generate the page presented to your browser... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 80) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 10:35:14 am | | gregy> | Eric, Re: 1007...I had two aborts, one from one email address and one | from another...but...that's sort of normal, occasionally (like on Sat. | or Sun. nights when traffic seems to be heavy)...but...other than that, | the 1007 seems a solid core. | ... | I'm going to start really running it thru its paces | downloading/displaying images, .jpgs, gifs, etc... | ... | So far, I have had ZERO malfunctions with it, and it seems as stable as | or more stable than 185..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 81) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 10:43:53 am | | gregy> | Eric...Re: "probably has problems"....he he....that's a good surmise | for "things internet"....but...it's an OpenSource project from the getgo | and they seem to have done things right from the beginning. | ... | The PHP acronym stands for "PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor" which is, as | you can see, a "recursive acronym"..... | ...he he | It was designed to be that way, from the start..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 82) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 11:58:18 am | | gregy> | Well, I've been deliberately hosing core1007 down with images... | ... | The most recent bunch I found at: | http://www.isellsurplus.com/ | .. | After d/ling, I hit "INSERT" to download the images....which all d/led | smoothly, and were 62images comprising some BMPs, some GIFs, and a | couple JPGs.... | ... | All displayed fine on the page, and also using "Image Gallery" in the | r:\arachne\cache\ directory... | ... | So far, so good.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 83) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 1:43:30 pm | | gregy> | ummmm...I'm gettin' kinda bored...cruising around tryin' to crash this | 187-1007core...... | ... | I guess I'll hafta swapin Ray's b6-aCORE later this evening...and give | it a workout... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 84) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 2:17:59 pm | | glennmcc> | gregy, | | re".... "Q" downloads the links on a page "in the background " | | Nope..... it goes from one link to the nexxt to the next to the next, | viewing each one as it is downloaded. | | | ============================================================================ | | 85) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 2:20:23 pm | | glennmcc> | re:".... discard the 187-1006 core....?? and use the 1007core...???... " | | Yep... kill 1006... use 1007 | | ============================================================================ | | 86) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 2:24:22 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | JSP | http://searchWebServices.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid26_gci214048,00.ht | | | ============================================================================ | | 87) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 2:27:16 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | This message board and all of the others based upon True's code | use PHP | | http://searchOpenSource.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid39_gci334246,00.htm | | | | ============================================================================ | | 88) Sun, Oct 09, 2005 - 7:49:28 pm | | Eric> | Hey guys, Thanks for the info on .php and .jsp. I now have | a little better picture of what's going on. | | ============================================================================ | | 89) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 8:18:17 am | | Eric> | Glenn, I just had download abort of email with 187-1007. | Mail download kept aborting after Joe DeSilvas 20+ k. byte | email. I had 3 emails. Toward the end of 2nd email it insisted | on aborting. I had to go back to Eric.zip core. Aborted also | with 187-1006 core. | | ============================================================================ | | 90) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 8:29:45 am | | Eric> | Glenn, The mail abort seemed to occur during the download | of a win.dat attachment in Joe's email. I had downloaded | email with 187-1007 successfully on previous occasions. | | | | | | joe's | | | ============================================================================ | | 91) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 8:37:13 am | | Eric> | Glenn, Eric core, which was a custom 1.85 you named Eric.zip | seems to always work for mail download. | | ============================================================================ | | 92) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 9:26:20 am | | vbm> | Ray, spasibo for deleting garbage from screen, but change resolutuions | work only for 256 colors - not for hicolor, for hicolor - only refresh scree | about bat, I can't inderstand why after success setup don't open as need | vga.htm... | | Gregy, can you sending to my email exlpain - how you did this php-chat, | spasibo. | | ============================================================================ | | 93) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 9:30:42 am | | vbm> | and Gregy, please note that I'm lazzzzyyyyy!!!! and, Ray knew that, | halfround fool. ;-))))) only top is flat... ;-))))) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 94) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 9:33:02 am | | vbm> | so explaining must be step byb step and simplessssss. ;-))))))))))) | | ============================================================================ | | 95) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 9:34:13 am | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Glad you saw that, it has now scrolled way off the board. Now are you | saying that you still have a problem with the resolution page that | we see at setup, or do you mean using the '+' '-' keys? If the latter, | I think this is build in to the way the code works right now, but | it would be easy to make it better. Anyway I will take a look at this | right now. | | | ============================================================================ | | 96) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 9:36:48 am | | ray> | Hey, I'm just now thinking: it would be easy to make a status | message showing your new resolution after any change, do you think | it's a good idea? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 97) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 1:08:00 pm | | Eric> | Ray, It would be nice to know/find out easily what resolution | is currently being used. Is there some way to see that without | going to the setup page? Should it be added to ALT-M? | | ============================================================================ | | 98) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 1:25:29 pm | | gregy> | Ahhh...Ray..Eric....hmmmm...I think "eyeball" is enough "status | indicator" for resolution.... | ... | I know that, with my old eyes, 600x800 is IMMEDIATELY noticable, and | anything higher than that would be, also.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 99) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 1:28:06 pm | | gregy> | Vladimir....I will send you an email, after you download the source code | for this board, and read it a little bit........then, I will give | you a Step-by-Step instructions on how to set up one yourself... | ... | AND...you might also want to download the source code for Glenn's board, | since mine is a modification of his source... | ... | All boards have a download link at the bottom "FreeSRC".... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 100) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 1:32:41 pm | | gregy> | AND...Vladimir...please be warned...if you post your email address, here | on this board, it is NOT secure from being harvested by a "Robot" that | is crawling the web looking for email addresses.... | .. | Therefore, we always do NOT put our email addresses in the "Email:" | box, but, instead, we post them like this: | | nm.ru#vbm -- you see???? is reversed, and uses the "#" sign and any | Email-Bot doesn't recognize it as an email address... | | e.g. - hi-line.net#gfeig | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 101) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 2:10:11 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Yes, another bug found and fixed :-) | | CHG-Z00M.C: | | } | x_cleardev(); // Clear the screen. | } | // Hmmm, sometimes it's 'Hi16.?' or 'Hi15.?' but when is it 'VESA' ? | // Eif (!strncmpi(aGRAPHICS, "VESA", 4)) | // This might be too liberal, but it works ... | else | { | if (style == 1) // Increase Res. | { // X == 640 x 480 x 256c 256KB | if (*ptr == 'X') *ptr = 'B'; // B == 640 x 480 x 256c 512KB | Eif (*ptr == 'B') *ptr = 'C'; // C == 800 x 600 x 256c 512KB | Eif (*ptr == 'C') *ptr = 'E'; // E == 1024 x 768 x 256c 1MB | // I == 640 x 480 x HiColor | Eif (*ptr == 'I') *ptr = 'J'; // J == 800 x 600 x HiColor | Eif (*ptr == 'J') *ptr = 'K'; // K == 1024 x 768 x HiColor | } // (see X_LOPIF.H and sources) | Eif (style == -1) // Decrease Res. | { | if (*ptr == 'B') *ptr = 'X'; | Eif (*ptr == 'C') *ptr = 'B'; | Eif (*ptr == 'E') *ptr = 'C'; | | BTW, did you see my 'CTRLS' code for the old PrtScr? | | | ============================================================================ | | 102) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 2:16:48 pm | | ray> | Eric, Gregy, | | If you guys get around to testing my core, give special attention to | my imports of Joe's and Glenn's stuff, I want to know if all that is | running as it should. Also, were I left stuff out and you find that | it is working ok in the author's code, let me know and I'll import it. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 103) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 2:17:49 pm | | ray> | Hey, what's that block of garbage on the top right of the board? | | | ============================================================================ | | 104) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 5:29:54 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Sneak preview | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/187-1010.zip | | Eric, | Let me know if this one works OK on pop3... ie, no aborts. | | ============================================================================ | | 105) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 6:17:00 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Not everyone has calibrations on their eyeballs | like you military guys to measure graphic resolution, you | know .... . | | | ============================================================================ | | 106) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 6:23:21 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Right, besides there is the color resolution not just the size | resolution. | | | ============================================================================ | | 107) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 6:29:25 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Color resolution???...Ich weiss nicht! | Aahh.....Ya.....16...256...etc.? | | ============================================================================ | | 108) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 9:11:27 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, So far so good......pop3 working...fetched 18 emails | in most recent download....no aborts! Also went to | groups.yahoo.com/group/arackne after adding Https2Http Yes | to my arachne.cfg and page displayed with no problems/no errors. | | | ============================================================================ | | 109) Mon, Oct 10, 2005 - 9:21:32 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, #108 is with 187-1010 core. Boy, you included a | bunch of other stuff in that ZIP. Is all that necessary | to make the core work properly? Why the PCK file? | | ============================================================================ | | 110) Tue, Oct 11, 2005 - 10:02:27 am | | gregy> | Eric...I don't think it's needed for just the COREtesting.....however, | there's a whole lota additional functionality in those other pages... | .. | Eric...Glenn, Ray, et al....what I'm gonna do with the 1010pkg is to | 1. Manually create my R:\ARACHNE, etc directories, then; | 2. Unzip the 1.85package into R:\(root), then; | 3. Run the SXF so that it extracts/copies everything where it's | supposed to go, then; | 4. Abort the setup right at the beginning, then; | 5. Copy all the 1.87-1010 over the 1.85 install, then; | 6. Rerun the Setup from scratch thru to completion; | 7. Report on any problems in the setup, etc, then; | 8. Start running that install as my "normal" operating install, UNLESS | it shows REAL problems, whereupon I'll swapin one of the previous cores, | OR, if that doesn't work, go back to my 1.85install with 1.87-1007core | swapped in... | | | ============================================================================ | | 111) Tue, Oct 11, 2005 - 10:05:11 am | | gregy> | FWIW...I'm set up so that I can startup a different install, by just | renaming my F:\AR\ directory and naming F:\(someotherinstall) to be | F:\AR\...then rebooting and relaunching AR.BAT... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 112) Tue, Oct 11, 2005 - 10:19:58 am | | gregy> | Well...just the CORE1010 seems to not be a total disaster...... | ...at least it got me here, without any noticeable defects... | ... | This is on the 486...I'll try it on the P133, next... | | | ============================================================================ | | 113) Tue, Oct 11, 2005 - 10:23:25 am | | gregy> | Welp...with just the CORE10 swapped into my basic 1.85install...P133 box | ...it got me here, without any obvious glitches.... | .... | I'll give it a P133 workout, for a while, then later tonight do a new | install as laid out in Post 110 (don't have time for that, now).. | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 114) Tue, Oct 11, 2005 - 11:17:43 am | | gregy> | NOTE - the CORE10 goes to my.yahoo.com, signs in correctly, displays the | MyYahoo page, correctly logs in the MyYahooMail, does all the | housekeeping chores (view folder, create folder, empty folder, etc)... | ... | So, it more-or-less passes the "extreme smoke test"...... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 115) Tue, Oct 11, 2005 - 12:30:55 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, 187-1010 is working fine for pop3....last download 21 | emails...no aborts! | | ============================================================================ | | 116) Tue, Oct 11, 2005 - 12:46:39 pm | | Eric> | BTW.....I'm still running this machine with 80 bytes of memory | lost when I tried to open a page at Yahoo and Arachne gave me | an error. That was 2 or three days ago...I have still not | locked up to force a reboot. Conventional memory | is using 80 bytes which are not accounted for. | | ============================================================================ | | 117) Tue, Oct 11, 2005 - 5:23:09 pm | | glennmcc> | If by chance you have used WinCrap recently. | | Run a virus scanner to be sure you're not infected with something that's | using those 80bytes of RAM. | | | ============================================================================ | | 118) Tue, Oct 11, 2005 - 5:24:29 pm | | glennmcc> | If not.... clear your cache and delete your history.lst file to see if | that clears those 80bytes. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 119) Tue, Oct 11, 2005 - 5:44:05 pm | | gregy> | Eric...how can you tell that something is using 80bytes of memory..??? | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 120) Tue, Oct 11, 2005 - 5:45:20 pm | | gregy> | BTW, Glenn....still using the 1010core, on a variety of different sites, | and haven't had any glitches.. | .. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 121) Tue, Oct 11, 2005 - 10:45:18 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, I can tell 80 bytes of memory are gone because I did a | mem /c before loading Arachne to file "mem0". I can now do a | mem /c and compare them. See below: | | mem0 : | | | Modules using memory below 1 MB: | | Name Total Conventional Upper Memory | -------- ---------------- ---------------- ---------------- | MSDOS 18,064 (18K) 18,064 (18K) 0 (0K) | HIMEM 1,120 (1K) 1,120 (1K) 0 (0K) | SETVER 832 (1K) 832 (1K) 0 (0K) | RAMDRIVE 1,440 (1K) 1,440 (1K) 0 (0K) | IFSHLP 2,864 (3K) 2,864 (3K) 0 (0K) | COMMAND 7,328 (7K) 7,328 (7K) 0 (0K) | SMARTDRV 29,024 (28K) 29,024 (28K) 0 (0K) | Free 594,528 (581K) 594,528 (581K) 0 (0K) | | Memory Summary: | | Type of Memory Total Used Free | ---------------- ----------- ----------- ----------- | Conventional 655,360 60,832 594,528 | Upper 0 0 0 | Reserved 393,216 393,216 0 | Extended (XMS) 24,117,248 16,502,784 7,614,464 | ---------------- ----------- ----------- ----------- | Total memory 25,165,824 16,956,832 8,208,992 | | Total under 1 MB 655,360 60,832 594,528 | | Largest executable program size 594,416 (580K) | Largest free upper memory block 0 (0K) | MS-DOS is resident in the high memory area. | | mem1 : | | | Modules using memory below 1 MB: | | Name Total Conventional Upper Memory | -------- ---------------- ---------------- ---------------- | MSDOS 18,064 (18K) 18,064 (18K) 0 (0K) | HIMEM 1,120 (1K) 1,120 (1K) 0 (0K) | SETVER 832 (1K) 832 (1K) 0 (0K) | RAMDRIVE 1,440 (1K) 1,440 (1K) 0 (0K) | IFSHLP 2,864 (3K) 2,864 (3K) 0 (0K) | COMMAND 7,328 (7K) 7,328 (7K) 0 (0K) | SMARTDRV 29,024 (28K) 29,024 (28K) 0 (0K) | Free 594,448 (581K) 594,448 (581K) 0 (0K) | | Memory Summary: | | Type of Memory Total Used Free | ---------------- ----------- ----------- ----------- | Conventional 655,360 60,912 594,448 | Upper 0 0 0 | Reserved 393,216 393,216 0 | Extended (XMS) 24,117,248 16,502,784 7,614,464 | ---------------- ----------- ----------- ----------- | Total memory 25,165,824 16,956,912 8,208,912 | | Total under 1 MB 655,360 60,912 594,448 | | Largest executable program size 594,416 (580K) | Largest free upper memory block 0 (0K) | MS-DOS is resident in the high memory area. | | | Notice....594,528 .... 594,448 free conventional memory...80 bytes gone! | BTW I don't run W$doze on this machine! | | ============================================================================ | | 122) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 3:31:50 am | | vbm> | Gregy, re: msg#99: | well, I did d\l and read both php-src.txt, to something I look as sheep | to new gate, something I understand since know a bit html... ;-))))) | re: msg#100: well, I'll do this know for next, spasibo... | | | ============================================================================ | | 123) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 7:09:45 am | | ray> | I've got that block of garbage on the top righthand side of the | board again, anyone else? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 124) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 11:49:16 am | | glennmcc> | Nope..... no garbage here.... never has been. | | ============================================================================ | | 125) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 11:52:25 am | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | Why are you loading these ???? | | SETVER 832 (1K) 832 (1K) 0 (0K) | IFSHLP 2,864 (3K) 2,864 (3K) 0 (0K) | | That stuff is Win9x specific. | | Since you don't run Win9x on that machine... you don't need that stuff. | | | Lemme' see your config.sys and autoexec.bat | | I'll betcha we can tweak 'em ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 126) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 1:32:06 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, That's what I told her........then I got slapped! | I bet you can but...I ain't in the tweaking mood right now. | W$95 is installed on this machine but I haven't used it in years. | I never could seem to get SETVER to work when I really wanted to. :-( | It's working well right now and I ain't in the mood to "upgrade". | | | ============================================================================ | | 127) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 1:35:52 pm | | Eric> | Ray, What's this block of garbage you keep talking about..... | are you running a landfill or sump'in? | | ============================================================================ | | 128) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 2:49:04 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | It looks like a super-giant "X". It goes away when I delete the .pck | and re-setup. It happens after I've run Glenn's core, so I figure | somehow our .pck's are not being written the same, God know's why, | I haven't changed anything there ... or have I ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 129) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 2:55:55 pm | | ray> | Hmmm, just compared them, and they are different, mine includes path | information lacking in Glenn's: | | | | ============================================================================ | | 130) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 2:58:50 pm | | ray> | Comparing files ARACHNE.PCK and r:arachne.pck | ****** ARACHNE.PCK | | i-line.net/~gfeig/ctst/ctsindex.php#end | | ****** r:arachne.pck | | i-line.net/~gfeig/ctst/ctsindex.php#end#end#end#end | | ****** | | ****** ARACHNE.PCK | | | ****** r:arachne.pck | | 2 | | ****** | | ****** ARACHNE.PCK | | | -- More -- | | ============================================================================ | | 131) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 3:03:00 pm | | ray> | Oppps, that 'path information' is just the names of the files | (idiot <:-) ... but as to those other differences, who knows. | | | ============================================================================ | | 132) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 3:27:54 pm | | Eric> | Ray, what exactly is arachne.pck for? It looks like a binary | file storing settings to run Arachne. | | | ============================================================================ | | 133) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 5:09:21 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | .pck stores mostly stuff needed for Arachne to remember what she | was doing at the time you quit or shell out, like the page that was | loaded at the time, for example. It also, problematicaly, stores | your video setting and your chosen swapping method (disk, EMS, XMS) | | | ============================================================================ | | 134) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 6:38:42 pm | | glennmcc> | What's problematic about it ? | | ============================================================================ | | 135) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 6:53:19 pm | | glennmcc> | Oh yeah... | | arachne.pck also stores the current mouse cursor position on the screen, | along with the horiz and vert scroll position of each page in the | cache/history | | That's how we can scroll half way down a page and click a link and when | we come back to that page we are still scrolled half way down. | (or 3/4, or 1/4 or whatever... both up/down and left/right) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 136) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 6:54:28 pm | | glennmcc> | It won't work here after making a post due to the '#end' tag which takes | us to the bottom of the page. | | ============================================================================ | | 137) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 7:29:54 pm | | ray> | Right, all that stuff is involved in taking you back to where you | were which is why I just mentioned reloading the page. However, the | swapping method is not something that changes constantly, nor that | is in any way related to the above. IMHO that should be stored | in the .cfg since on any given machine it will change almost never. | As with so much else, one picks the .acf that suits as the start point | for one's instalation, and in there should be: | | Swap [disk/ems/xms], with 'xms' set in all the .acf's execpt | perhaps '386.acf' or something like that. The advantage would be | that 'setup' would become a thing of the past -- video always | VGA, and xswap set in the .cfg anyway. | | | ============================================================================ | | 138) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 7:34:22 pm | | ray> | In short, the .pck would only hold internaly generated stuff so | after installing one goes straight into the program :) | ... or maybe just straight into 'vga.htm' for a choice of video | mode. BTW why not link some hotkey directly to vga.htm so's we can | have that nice way of changing res. whithout having to 'setup'? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 139) Wed, Oct 12, 2005 - 11:19:09 pm | | Eric> | Ray, If you start messin' with .pck doesn't that affect | backward compatibilty? | | ============================================================================ | | 140) Thu, Oct 13, 2005 - 7:02:24 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Not in any serious way, since .pck is almost all internaly generated | stuff anyway that's overwritten every time the program runs. What | I'm saying above is that it should be totaly that way with all | setup-style choices stored in the .cfg where they belong. | | | ============================================================================ | | 141) Thu, Oct 13, 2005 - 4:38:45 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | F1, how to use arachne to optimize colors, video setup | | | ============================================================================ | | 142) Thu, Oct 13, 2005 - 7:47:50 pm | | ray> | Yup, I know, but it might make a nice hotkey -- just an idea. | BTW, why do we have 'vga.htm' and 'hgcgevga.htm' ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 143) Thu, Oct 13, 2005 - 7:53:24 pm | | ray> | Oh, BTBTW, FWIW, I've always considered that part of our help | system to be an almost perfect example of how it should be done. | One the part that needs to be HTML is so, and the text part is | beautifuly written -- informative, direct, litterate and devoid | of anything superfluous or showy. | | | ============================================================================ | | 144) Thu, Oct 13, 2005 - 8:07:42 pm | | glennmcc> | Why both 'vga.htm' and 'hgcgevga.htm' ? | Check the diffs | | vga.htm is the 'start-up' which we go to after core.exe checks our video | card it then does "arachne:intenal-vga" | | hgcgevga.htm does not have the vid card detection box | (), and after choosing a setup | we do "arachne:internal-config?arachne:restart" | | To sum it up.... | vga.htm is used for 'initial setup' | | hgcgevga.htm is used for changing our settings 'on the fly'. | (we can do it even while online) | | Doing it via vga.htm kicks us offline. | | | ============================================================================ | | 145) Thu, Oct 13, 2005 - 8:10:14 pm | | glennmcc> | BTW, | | We must thank CAV for this feature.... he created hgcgevga.htm | | ============================================================================ | | 146) Thu, Oct 13, 2005 - 8:11:56 pm | | glennmcc> | aracolor.htm and arashade.htm are also 100% thanks to CAV | | ============================================================================ | | 147) Thu, Oct 13, 2005 - 8:12:49 pm | | glennmcc> | Oh yeah.... aracolor.txt is his too. | | | ============================================================================ | | 148) Thu, Oct 13, 2005 - 8:15:24 pm | | glennmcc> | I wonder just how many users have even bothered to RTFM so that they | actually got some benifitr from the hard work CAV did over 5 years ago. | | --- clipped from the top of aracolor.txt ------ | | Arachne COLOR rendition Howto 00/07/31 | Written by Clarence Verge | _____________________________________________________________________ | | ============================================================================ | | 149) Thu, Oct 13, 2005 - 10:14:54 pm | | ray> | Yeah, I know that's Clarence's stuff, wish we had him back -- | up front at least ;-) | | Thanks for the exp. on the diff between those two files. | | | ============================================================================ | | 150) Fri, Oct 14, 2005 - 4:24:16 am | | vbm> | devil, here is an attacking a bands!!!!! thanksGod my relatives not | stay a viktims... | it's nightmare... | | | ============================================================================ | | 151) Fri, Oct 14, 2005 - 7:19:43 am | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Are you close to those Chechen maniacs? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 152) Sat, Oct 15, 2005 - 4:16:00 am | | vbm> | re: msg#151: | not only, and local riffraffs too... | my brother living over street from 3 dep. of militia. so mainly we were | afraiding for he and his family, but now seems all ok... | | Ray, sorry, I canceling email msg about sending msgs and kbmb, because I did | cores... ;-))))))))) | | ============================================================================ | | 153) Sat, Oct 15, 2005 - 4:25:04 am | | vbm> | no, we weren't verry near rom these main fight was i n 3 blocks from | us... | but... imagine in your peace city begin shootings from all sides... | | sorry, for mixedup msg... ;-)))))) | | | ============================================================================ | | 154) Sat, Oct 15, 2005 - 8:46:24 am | | Eric> | Vladimir, Stay away from the windows! We need our testers! | Peace be with you and yours! | | ============================================================================ | | 155) Sat, Oct 15, 2005 - 1:44:52 pm | | ray> | Hey Vladimir, you still ok? | | | ============================================================================ | | 156) Sat, Oct 15, 2005 - 6:10:35 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | re: a hotkey to go to video setup. | | Do we really need a hotkey for everything ???? | | | ============================================================================ | | 157) Sat, Oct 15, 2005 - 6:26:19 pm | | ray> | No point in trying to hide the fact that I'm a hotkey fanatic ;-) | But that one is far from important for sure, just a thought. | What I'm really thinking about is the fact that our '+/-' keys only | change display size, not color deapth. I wonder how many folks get | 'stuck' in 256 color mode and become dissatisfied with Arachne | as a result? Seems to me that the above keys could change color | deapth as well, it's just another thing to look into. | | | ============================================================================ | | 158) Sat, Oct 15, 2005 - 7:21:26 pm | | glennmcc> | But then we would need another CFG variable. | | Just as I programmed-in MaxRes. | We would need to program-in MaxColorDepth. | | If we don't, then stepping-up to a resolution/colordepth that the | particular video card can't handle........... CRASH !!!! | | ============================================================================ | | 159) Sat, Oct 15, 2005 - 9:41:38 pm | | ray> | Maybe not. A while back we were talking about this. I can't remember | the functions right now but the xlopif function that actualy does the | work returns 0 if it can't set the requested video mode. That value | is not returned at present but if it was, it could prevent | trouble. Worth trying. I can't really test it since I don't have | any resolution limits here. Mind I could dig out an old card and | throw it in the 486 ... | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 160) Sat, Oct 15, 2005 - 9:50:13 pm | | ray> | SVGAOVRL: | | // RAY: 05-05-28: Development function ZoomMsg() removed. | // Used in init.c, guidraw.c | void GraphicsInit DeF (char *svgamode) | { | ... | | irc = x_rea_svga(NULL, Grafmode, &gmode) + x_grf_mod(gmode); | if (irc != 2) | { | if (Grafmode[3] == '6') | { | Grafmode[3] = '5'; | goto setmode; | } | // exit with invalid gr. mode! | goto GrError; | } | if (!strcmpi(Grafmode, "EGA")) | gEGAmode = 1; | Eif (!strcmpi(Grafmode, "VGA") || strstr(Grafmode, ".A")) | gVGA16mode = 1; | | InitPalette(); | x_setcolor(xWHITE); | x_charmod(1); | return; | | // error while opening graphic >> | // INSTEAD OF EXITING, IT COULD JUST IGNORE THE BAD VIDEO MODE AND | // CONTINUE, AND IT SHOULD RETURN A VALUE INDICATING THAT TO | // GRAPHICSINIT(). | | GrError: | TerminateArachne(16); | } // End: void G raphicsInit(char *svgamode) | | | ============================================================================ | | 161) Sat, Oct 15, 2005 - 9:54:24 pm | | ray> | | X_LOPIF.H | | int x_rea_svga(char *path, char *g_jmeno, int *mod); | /* Finds out concrete graphic mode according to name | | path - has no meaning. | g_jmeno- name of card + mode: | names of standard graph. modes are EGA,VGA,VGA2. | names of SVGA graph. modes follow the pattern: | nameSVGA.name_mode e.g.: TSG3.B , OAK.C etc. | see table of names at x_grf_mod() | mod - real number of graphical mode | | return: 1 - OK | 2 - File does not exist or cannot be opened. | 4 - unknown graph. card or syntax error. | 6 - mode is not supported by given card. | */ | | ============================================================================ | | 162) Sat, Oct 15, 2005 - 9:55:16 pm | | ray> | I'd say if the '6' return was handled smarter, we'd never end up | with an unsuported mode. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 163) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 3:46:11 pm | | gregy> | Vladimir..Re: #153....I apologize....I have NOT prayed for you and your | family.....I will do so....and will try to remember to do this often.. | ... | Those chechens and "local riff-raff" would be something I would NOT want | to be living close to....even in the same city. | ... | Being from Montana, I would then join with my neighbors and we would | "clean them out"...but...I suppose that where you live that is not | possible.....so.. | ... | I will pray...both for you and for all your family.. | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 164) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 4:42:22 pm | | gregy> | Vladimir....ah, yes....you are in Nalchik....:( | ... | I will pray for you and all your family... | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 165) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 6:08:15 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Yup, a little old fashioned cowboy justice would be just the thing | back there. I'm not a big fan of lynch mobs and vigilatism ... but | there are times ... those Chechens are beyond the pale. Sheeesh, | they make the Irish look civilized ;-) | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 166) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 6:21:24 pm | | gregy> | Ray...those are Jihadzis....Islamo-nazis....they're all in kahoots with | the loose-knit, loose-linked "Al Queda" (aka "The Web" or "The Network") | ... | FWIW...they got their real start in Bosnia, where we supported them and | looked the other way while they performed their atrocities on the Serbs, | (who we, and everyone, thought "had it coming")....and that's where | many/most of the prime chechen/quaeda terrorists got their start and | training. | | | ============================================================================ | | 167) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 6:23:26 pm | | gregy> | And...if you do some reading, in Nalchik, the situation is really quite | confused...and...if I lived there, I probably wouldn't know what to do | myself...except to duck for cover, when the shooting broke out...which | is (apparently) what Vladimir, his family, and most of the Nalchikis | did... | | | ============================================================================ | | 168) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 6:41:58 pm | | kill_them_all> | Let GOD sort them out. | | | ============================================================================ | | 169) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 6:50:35 pm | | glennmcc> | Gregy, | | re:"WHEN do we use this "return-receipt" and HOW do we use it....??? | | I added the needed stuf to the mail comopse screens | (sendmail.ah, sendfile.ah, reply.htp and resend.htp) | | All 4 files have this section inserted just before the 'Subject:' section. | | | Receipt-To: | | | Now there will be a text entry field right above 'Subject:' where we enter | the email address to which our reqested return receipt will be be sent. | | | This will only work if the recipient downloads thier email using an | email program which recognizes either "Return-Receipt-To" or | "Disposition-Notification-To" | | It also will only work if the recipient answers 'Yes' to sending a receipt. | | ============================================================================ | | 170) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 6:57:36 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Give her a whirl........... http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/rrt.zip | | ============================================================================ | | 171) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 7:56:53 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, Just installed rrt.zip...but....I don't think this "rodent" | can use RRT since I can't send mail with Arachne and my Juno mailbox. | So far mail download is working very well with 1.87-1010. No aborts... | even when ISP connection was extremely slow. | | | ============================================================================ | | 172) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 8:05:16 pm | | Eric> | Anyone 'fessin up to post# 168 or is "kill_them_all" an anonymous | donor? | | ============================================================================ | | 173) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 8:10:21 pm | | gregy> | Eric...I think that'll be an anony-moron..... | Glenn...I d/led and installed and noticed: | 1. The CORE IDs as 1.87...I assume this is the 1010core with rolled-in | enhancements...?? | 2. I installed and launched, and ran into an immediate problem...when I | press "C" it brings up the old style page without the new enhancements. | ...YES..I F2ed and found the files SENDFILE.AH, SENDMAIL.AH, REPLY.HTP, | RESEND.HTP, and they are the new-style....and I see the "return-receipt" | box just above the SUBJECT box.. | 3. Just what file is being accessed with a "C" press.....??? | 4. (see further questions, in next post) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 175) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 8:18:53 pm | | gregy> | Glenn....now...once we get the "C-press == old style page" problem fixed | ...my understanding of this function/option is... | ... | 1. I send you an email, with the "return-receipt" box containing a | valid email address of mine. | 2. If..IF...you have your email setup properly, as you do a POP3 d/l, | your client will immediately send me a return-receipt at the address | I entered in the "return-receipt" box... | ... | Am I grasping the concept...??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 176) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 8:29:17 pm | | gregy> | So...the question of "What file is being accessed with "C" press???" | is the killer-question-of-the-hour.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 177) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 9:08:07 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Did you put the .AH files in the proper directory? | They go in x:\arachne\system\gui\ . ] | I'm talking about the new SENDMAIL.AH and SENDFILE.AH | | | ============================================================================ | | 178) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 9:16:17 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Saw "The Horse Whisperer" on TV lastnight. Showed a lot of | beautiful Montana countryside! Couldn't find you though. | | ============================================================================ | | 179) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 11:26:36 pm | | gregy> | Eric...ahhh....that was filmed down in what we call, "BananaBeltSouth" | .... | We REAL, hardier, MontanaBoys reside out on the barren plains, north | and east of where they filmed that.... | ... | BTW....we've known of that guy for years.....and....most of us have | trained/broken horses using variations of those techniques. It is a | VERY wildly exuberant "youngster" who will "buck a horse out" instead | of gentling them into usefullness. | ...and.. | BTW2...cows are the stupidest creatures alive, and mean....and that's | why they're bred for stupidity....'cause, big as they are, and mean as | they are, if they weren't bred for stupidity, they'd be too dangerous | to be of use (witness the Cape Buffalo)... | ....and... | horses are, also, mean....only...they've gotta be just a teensy bit | smarter than cows, otherwise you can't use them for herding...so...they | are bred a tad smarter.....meaning they're more dangerous, and meaner.. | ......so....a smart cowboy will "come to an agreement" with a horse | rather than just "fork 'em and go".......... | | | ============================================================================ | | 180) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 11:29:56 pm | | gregy> | ahhahahaha.....bit my own foot, I did.....in \gui\...NOT in \arachne\ | ....ah ha ha ha ha.... | | les see here, now, does that sock go on thar first, or after the shoe. | ..hmmm...lifes soooooo complicated, ain't it..?? | | ... | (oh, and BTW, thanks...for solving that problem for me).... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 181) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 11:40:09 pm | | gregy> | yep..Eric...that sure nuf solves THAT problem, alright... | ... | amazing what having the right files in the right directories will do | for the general sense of wellbeing around here.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 182) Sun, Oct 16, 2005 - 11:49:50 pm | | Eric> | Just had a fatal error occur while downloading a file: | | Memory allocation error - Illegal xSwap operation at line 567 of | HTMLSTAT.C ! | Trying to deallocate xSwap...OK | Error 1 | Error 0 | | I've lost 29,088 bites from conventional memory now! | Computer did not lockup...didn't even lose ISP connection! | | ============================================================================ | | 183) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 12:07:58 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I know horses can be mean...but....I've had good | experiences with them. I learned to ride horses when I was 12 yrs. | old in the mountains outside Denver, CO. I learned early that you | have to be kind to them but...You've got to be the boss! Otherwise, | they will REALLY take you for a ride! I was riding my friend's | horse across a small airport in Grand Rapids, MI area, not holding | the reins, holding a bigpiece of cake or brownie in each hand, when | someone started an airplane nearby. It really tested my leg strength | when my horse decided to rear up on its hind legs. | | | ============================================================================ | | 184) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 12:33:02 am | | Eric> | Gregy, have you had any experience installing large drives on | older computers? I'm trying to install a 160GB Hitachi HD | on an old Cyrix 6x86 - P120 - 100 MHz with AMI bios. It's | not going so smooth...I've been Googling for info and setup | utilities. Don't know if I want FAT16 or FAT32, DOS 6.2, W95 or W98. | So far I've got the HD recognised as a 157 MB...best I could do | so far. | | ============================================================================ | | 185) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 12:36:41 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I was downloading a disk image from Hitachi when I got the | xSwap error. The image was for HD utilities. | | ============================================================================ | | 186) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 2:08:18 am | | Eric> | I just had another xSwap error the same as above on retry to | download Hitachi utility image. The error occured in a different | place: Line 416 of PUTIKONW.C | | These errors are occuring with 1.87 from rrt.zip | | | ============================================================================ | | 187) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 2:55:29 am | | gregy> | Eric....suggestion....swap the 1010core back in,...if that doesn't cure | the problem...swap the 1.85core in.....if that still doesn't cure it.. | I'd say that the Hitachi site has a bad file...or sumpin.. | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 188) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 2:58:03 am | | Eric> | xSwap error again...I now lost 2,000,000 bytes from extended memory. | | ============================================================================ | | 189) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 3:00:28 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Last xSwap error was with 1.87-1010 core. | | | ============================================================================ | | 190) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 3:01:51 am | | gregy> | Re: horses....yeah...I got bucked off a stallion the summer before I | was 5...and...I knew I hadda get back up and get back on him...or he'd | be "twisted".... | ...fact was, that I should never have been trying to ride him...he was | just supposed to be being "saddle broke" with just that and a bridle on. | ...but...I wanted to be Tom Mix...so I climbed aboard....and went off | sorta upsidedown against the barn.... | ...didn't want anything more to do with him..........but...knew | I now had to get back up... | ... | You can bet I was REALLY whispering to him long and hard....for quite a | while, before I eased myself back into the saddle.....he he he.... | .... | For a fact, he was a young stallion, but he was pretty easy on a little | tyke like I was...and he snorted and pranced a bit, the second time..but | ...hey..!!!....I WAS a little tyke...so...he figured he could prolly | co-exist....or something..... | .... | I survived...... | .... | He did too..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 191) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 3:03:52 am | | gregy> | Eric...next suggestion....and question....QUESTION...what memory manager | are you loading...???....and could that have anything to do with loosing | extended memory...??? | SUGGESTION....try rebooting before you retry downloading that Hitachi | file.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 192) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 3:07:19 am | | gregy> | Eric....160Gbytes...finally installs as 157Gbytes...??? This often | happens with all sizes/brands of drives.... | What I do....is look up the drive info (CYL, HEAD, SECTORSIZE) and set | it for that....then, if the Gbytes comes out close...I know it turned | out right....maybe NOT exactly 160Gbytes, but I figure that "Mfgr's | Figure" to be propaganda, anyway... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 193) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 3:17:12 am | | gregy> | Eric...Re:....drives.....Definitely...PARTITION THEM...!!!....but..FIRST | plan a partition layout.. | ... | Ask yourself the usual questions....if you want to use a BootManager, | what OperatingSystems...how big must their bootpartitions be, etc, etc.. | ... | For example....right now, I have the 486 with 3 OSes on it....using IBM | BootManager to launch them... | ... | Drive 1 == two primary partitions for (1)MSDOS/Win3.1..(2)OpDOS701 | Arachne...two logical partitions for programs/data...these 4 partitions | are 16bitFAT, and all fit within the first 512Mbytes of Drive 1.. | Drive 1 == One formatted partition above the 512Mbyte limit...formatted | HPFS (32bit IBM OS/2 native format), plus the rest of the drive left as | extended free space for expansion to Linux partitions if/when I want to | install them.. TOTAL SIZE==2.5Gbytes (but only comes out at 2.4Gbytes) | (cont in next post) | | | ============================================================================ | | 194) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 3:27:55 am | | gregy> | Drive 2 == 1 primary partition 125Mbytes for Primary OS/3 Warp 3 Connect | Installation...FAT16formatted... | 2 more FAT16formatted partitions for DOSdata/programs...all under the | 512Mbyte FAT16 limit... | ...then... | another 512Mbyte HPFS partition...and another empty extended freespace | for future Linux installation...(or whatever)...TOTAL SIZE == 2.4Gbytes. | ... | Philosophy....keep any partition less than or equal to 600Mbytes so that | it will all fit on a CD... | Put ALL OperatingSystemInstallations on the front of the disks, format | FAT16, with just the bare minimum of the install on the primaryinstall | partition....EXAMPLE...my Drive 2, PrimaryPartition OS/2 Warp3Connect | install...it is on a 125Mbyte partition, but only has less than 80Mbytes | with all the rest of the Warp3 install up on the two HPFS partitions | above the 512Mbytes DOSlimit... | ... | Now...with 160Gbytes...you are NOT going to partition the whole thing | into <512Mbyte chunks...but...BUT...on the front of the disk...you | should have at least a couple 512Mbyte partitions....then maybe 1-2 | other partitions up further......maybe, say, about around the 20Gbyte, | and then the 80Gbyte level...leaving your giant-sized partition way up | at the top of the drive... | | | ============================================================================ | | 195) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 3:52:06 am | | vbm> | re: msgs#154, 155: | spasibo, we are ok, hot war finished. but seems starting psyhologic | war... e.g. yesterday going gossip that tonight again will attack... | IMHO seems making all for supplant Russians from city... as in | Chechne... | | | ============================================================================ | | 196) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 3:56:45 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I said 157 Mega bytes not giga bytes....I stuck in | heads,cyl.,sect.,etc from top of drive and bios wouldn't | recognise it...too big I think...I assume bios don't | support the 160 GB drive....I could be wrong...157 megabytes | leaves a lot of drive un-used. | | ============================================================================ | | 197) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 4:11:35 am | | Eric> | Vladimir, It's good to hear from you...sure wish you had peace. | Be careful and don't do anything foolish. You are in our prayers! | | ============================================================================ | | 198) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 6:35:43 am | | Eric> | Trying to open web page DOWNLOAD.COM caused Arachne 1.87 to lock-up. | Required a CTRL-ALT-DEL reboot. | | | ============================================================================ | | 199) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 7:02:00 am | | vbm> | re: 163...168: | spasibo, Gregy... | | shortly saying, this attack is generated by politic locals clans and kindred | whichs covered democraty, they are so "neatly" delivered money from Moscow | (where they has self "hand") | that industria is dead and works mostly trade, and result - high unemploymen | espessially youth (exactly they 20-30 years old and were in attacking troops | and verry high corruptions - which not allowing (if you want) starting a | buisness - f*cking arraingments for baksheesh... | and similar situatoin to all quasi-respublics nord-caucas... why quasi - bec | all they are recipients for money, not donors... | | but, locals yet aren't going chechens way - roughly rattle a Russians and ki | cabbaging money for pensions, mass kidnap people and killing them... | | muslim and koran is only cover for bandits... a few years ago I'm listen fro | one local policmen: "to devil allah, give me money!!!"... ;-/ | | hmmm, that is shortly???? ;-))))))))))) | | ============================================================================ | | 200) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 3:50:59 pm | | gregy> | Vladimir....ah, yes...baksheesh.......I remember it well...:))) | ... | I spent quite a bit of time in the Middle East, back during the 70s... | ...and in North Africa....in the 60s..... | ... | In fact, the first foreign language (other than my childhood Norwegian | and German) that I formally learned was Arabic....speak, read, and | write.....from there...all other languages were EASSSSYYYYYYY.... | ... | Knowing Muslims (as many of them as I do, Shii, Sunni, Alawi) I have | found them to be "just ordinary folks" mostly. In past years, only | the Shii in Iran seemed to be very "intense" (but, not fanatical)... | ...but...now... | I think you're right....Koran and Islam are used as excuses for people | to do violent things....and treat other people with extreme disrespect | and hatred. | .... | Re: Nord Cacausis Republics....yes....I have followed the news from | there, and it seems that way. My sister has traveled several times to | Georgia and other republics in that area, and she confirms what I have | read and figured out from my reading. | .. | Again...Vladimir...I will try to remember to pray for you....and your | family and friends... | .. | And I am sooooo happy that you (and yours) have not been injured in this | terrorist trouble... | | | ============================================================================ | | 201) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 4:43:44 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | I need URLs if I'm gonna help diagnose those errors. | | Without URLs .... me can't do nothing. | | | ============================================================================ | | 202) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 5:25:56 pm | | let_GOD_sort_them_out> | You got a better solution ? | | Let's hear it. | | ============================================================================ | | 203) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 5:29:21 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | You read/write Arabic?? Awesome. | | | ============================================================================ | | 204) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 5:46:52 pm | URL | | Eric> | Glennmcc, Here's the URL that caused fatal error. | | | ============================================================================ | | 205) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 6:00:15 pm | URL | | Eric> | Question: When URL box on this board is filled in...where is the | text stored?....What file?...it's not in textarea.tmp or clip.tmp! | | ============================================================================ | | 206) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 6:12:11 pm | | glennmcc> | Problem with the 1st one...... a 1.4mb text file. | | Content-Type: text/plain | | ============================================================================ | | 207) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 6:14:56 pm | | glennmcc> | URL box text does not get stored 'locally'. | | The PHP code keeps it for all subsequent posts. | | That's why if you hit 'back' and go back to the 1st loading of this page | during this session, the URL Email and nick boxes will be empty. | | | ============================================================================ | | 208) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 6:16:02 pm | | glennmcc> | What's the URL of the page at download.com that caused the error ? | | ============================================================================ | | 209) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 6:19:02 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.download.com/ | | Result: Failed validation, 534 errors | | | ============================================================================ | | 210) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 6:20:13 pm | | gregy> | Re: _let_GOD.....yeah...not much alternative, is there...??? | .... | since they're not gonna come out here to Montana and "put themselves in | jeopardy"..... | .. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 211) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 6:22:53 pm | | gregy> | Ray....did I stress, "used to"........it's been quite a while (over | 30 years) since I...wait...hmmm...no...only about 23 years..... | ... | And, that's Arabic and Farsi (Iranian, which is written with a modified | Arabic script).... | ... | But...the Arabic was only the jump-start for a half-dozen other | languages...including Thai...along with the usual suspects....Spanish | and French... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 212) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 6:37:55 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | OK, duplicated the download.com problem right on the 'front page'. | | http://www.download.com/ | | Among those 534 errors is TONS of JavaShit contaminating the page. | | Some of it _is_ correctly commented... some is not. | | Therefore niether 'IgnoreJS Yes' nor 'IgnoreJS No' make any difference. | | Since the ASSHOLE who wrote (miswrote), the page FUCKED IT UP so badly..... | | Forget it... it ain't gonna work in in 'standards complient browser'. | | It's only gonna be viewable without screwing-up while using a bloatware | browser which contains TONS of code specifically designed to compensate | for ASSHOLE web page writers (miswriters). | | ============================================================================ | | 213) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 6:55:10 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | The problem is even WORSE at the 'parent' company front page. | | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.cnet.com/ | Result: Failed validation, 1399 errors | | | ============================================================================ | | 214) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 6:57:34 pm | | glennmcc> | The following email is going to all of these email addresses I found on | the contact page. | | Jay.Gulick@cnet.com | John.Morris@cnet.com | Tom.Merritt@cnet.com | Lindsey.Turrentine@cnet.com | Brian.Cooley@cnet.com | Janice.Chen@cnet.com | Kelly.Morrison@cnet.com | Jai.Singh@cnet.com | Janice.Chen@cnet.com | Greg@GameSpot.com | Christina.Koukkos@cnet.com | Bob.Artner@techrepublic.com | Ankarino.Lara@cnet.com | Diana.Donovan@cnet.com | Dan.Farber@cnet.com | | | ---- body of message --- | | Houston, we have a problem. | | We have a MAJOR problem at download.com and cnet.com | | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.download.com/ | Result: Failed validation, 534 errors | | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.cnet.com/ | Result: Failed validation, 1399 errors | | | ============================================================================ | | 215) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 8:45:20 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, I figured that JS was probably the problem. I had forgot | about DOWNLOAD.COM. Years ago I used to go there a lot, but ....as I | think about it...I stopped using it after they "upgraded" as I | vaguely recall. | About the URL box...I still don't completely under stand...once something | the box it stays there until manually removed... | it must be stored somewhere. | Are you saying that the image file download aborted because it was | sent as a txt file instead of as a BIN file? | | ============================================================================ | | 216) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 9:11:11 pm | | gregy> | Eric...Re:...URL box info...stored where??? It is never stored by | Arachne, not like the info in this "text box" is... | ... | The only "stored" function being invoked, here, is the .PHPpage's own | (sort of) storage function.....right within the page itself... | .. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 217) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 9:13:42 pm | URL | | gregy> | Eric...if you want the info in the URLbox to be "stored" somewhere in | Arachne....then...FIRST copy the URL into this box: | | http://www.somesite.wat/ | | THEN copy it into the URLbox....that will get in stored by Arachne in | the "textarea.tmp" file... | | | ============================================================================ | | 218) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 9:32:44 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | re:"Are you saying that the image file download aborted because it was | sent as a txt file instead of as a BIN file?" | | Yep... that's why it happened. | | The server is sending it as text/plain | | Arachne hasd no option but to take it at its word that it is in-fact a | text file. | | Arachne has no way of knowing that the server is incorrectly setup and | is sending binary files as text. | | ============================================================================ | | 219) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 9:36:49 pm | | glennmcc> | The same thing happens when a file being downloaded is really a Jpeg | file not a GIF | | Arachne tries to handle it as what she was told it was.... | | image/GIF | | If it's really a Jpeg.... Red box | | And vis-versa | | image/jpeg that is really a GIF | | Arachne feeds it through djpeg32.exe but of-course nothing happens | and the result is a redbox because djpeg32.exe was told that it was | a jpeg when it's really a gif. | | | ============================================================================ | | 220) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 9:50:41 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, RE: URL...Got ya! I was trying to take it from URL box | to this text box. I guess I'll reverse tactics. | BTW, Using that image file from Hitachi, I got a floppy startup | utility that let me format my 160GB drive as 8GB. Anything larger | locks up my AMI BIOS. Used my W95 start up disk for format & fdisk. | Also, is there any free DOS software for copying .img files to floppies. | | ============================================================================ | | 221) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 11:26:13 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | That depends upon what program was used to created that .img file. | | Try rawrite.exe | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/download/rawrite.zip | | | ============================================================================ | | 222) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 11:48:03 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, Thanks for the file rawrite.zip....works great... | much better than stupid W$doze prgm I found from Google. | | | ============================================================================ | | 223) Mon, Oct 17, 2005 - 11:52:34 pm | | glennmcc> | Glad you like it. | | Just now re-uploaded it to include the readme stuff and the C SRC code. | | ============================================================================ | | 224) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 12:07:20 am | | glennmcc> | I just now tested a fresh compile of rawrite2.exe | | Here's the contents of a: after using my freash compile to write | ftool198.img to disk. | | rsa-h- 40,726 4-30-98 1:00p a:\ibmbio.com | rsa-h- 37,066 4-30-98 1:00p a:\ibmdos.com | --a--- 52,965 4-30-98 1:00p a:\command.com | --a--- 631,782 7-22-05 10:36a a:\ftool.exe | --a--- 33,890 7-22-05 10:35a a:\ftool.hf | --a--- 43 3-02-00 11:26a a:\config.sys | --a--- 116 7-28-05 10:14a a:\autoexec.bat | --a--- 22,158 4-30-98 1:00p a:\dos\country.sys | --a--- 24 7-28-05 10:16a a:\dos\mouse.ini | --a--- 50,576 3-25-97 5:02a a:\dos\dpmi16bi.ovl | --a--- 10,898 4-30-98 1:00p a:\dos\keyb.com | --a--- 53,556 4-30-98 1:00p a:\dos\keyboard.sys | --a--- 37,681 4-30-98 1:00p a:\dos\mouse.com | --a--- 120,853 3-25-97 5:02a a:\dos\rtm.exe | total files 14 total bytes 1,092,334 disk free space 360,448 | | | Look like the same thing you got ? | | ============================================================================ | | 225) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 12:23:16 am | | Eric> | Glenn, How did you get that listing? | | | ============================================================================ | | 226) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 12:26:15 am | | glennmcc> | At the DOS prompt....... | | tree /f a:>ftool198.txt | | And then pasted ftool198.txt into here. | | ============================================================================ | | 227) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 12:28:35 am | | glennmcc> | tree /?>tree.txt | | paste tree.txt into hre. | | TREE R1.61 Show directory structure | Copyright (c) 1987,1996 Caldera, Inc. All rights reserved. | | TREE [/Help] [d:][path][filename[.ext]] [/switches] | | d: drive which tree is to search | path directory where search is to begin (default is root) | filename.ext file to find | | /A use only ASCII characters in graphical display | /B brief mode - omit file totals | /F display all files | /G graphical directory display | /P pause after each page | | Multiple files may be specified on the command line. | | | ============================================================================ | | 228) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 12:31:51 am | | glennmcc> | tree /a /g l:>tree-l.txt | | bytes files path | 55,599 3 l:\ | 0 0 +---temp | 101 2 | \---arachne.tmp | 2,126,639 192 \---arachne | 335 2 +---asf.bak | 1,243,660 124 +---cache | 35,020 56 | \---headers | 93,742 28 +---doc | 54,793 23 +---examples | 2,185 8 +---oops | 459,711 50 +---system | 2,396 6 | +---apm.db | 512 2 | +---codepage | 26,213 5 | +---devdrvrs | 94,695 10 | +---dgi | 171,381 63 | +---gui | 275,191 125 | +---ikons | 52,624 12 | \---pktdrvrs | 2,170 1 | \---dsl | 35,391 8 \---acf.bak | total files 720 total bytes 4,732,358 disk free space 96,673,792 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 229) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 12:42:40 am | | Eric> | Glenn, Here's what I get w/tree /f: | | Directory PATH listing for Volume IBM | Volume Serial Number is 1324-10CF | A:. | ³ COMMAND.COM | ³ FTOOL.EXE | ³ FTOOL.HF | ³ CONFIG.SYS | ³ AUTOEXEC.BAT | ³ | ÀÄÄÄDOS | COUNTRY.SYS | MOUSE.INI | DPMI16BI.OVL | KEYB.COM | KEYBOARD.SYS | MOUSE.COM | RTM.EXE | | Free disk space: 360,448 | | ============================================================================ | | 230) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 12:29:55 pm | | gregy> | ahhhh...Eric...Re: make diskette from .IMG file?? or reverse..?? | | DISKCOPY A: A: /v (copies diskette to diskette) | DISKCOPY A: X:\somedir\DISK1.IMG (diskette to .IMG file) | DISKCOPY X:\somedir\DISK1.IMG A: (.IMG file to diskette) | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 231) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 1:23:15 pm | | vbm> | re: to #200: | Aga, Gregy, that you poached in buisneses USSR to all world... ;-))))))) | this old anecdote: | komissar to politlesson talk: | "USA poaching to all buisness of USSR in all world...". ;-))))) | | | ============================================================================ | | 232) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 3:03:06 pm | | gregy> | Vladimir....he he....well...the corporations that I worked for were in | the "business"..... | ... | ...so....we poached all over the world..... | Oh, and Vladimir, "Aga" is Farsi for "Mister"..... | he he he | | | ============================================================================ | | 234) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 4:12:02 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, I tried Diskcopy and couldn't get it to work. | Maybe I was doing something wrong. I'll do some experimenting. | Thanks | | | ============================================================================ | | 235) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 4:27:18 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Anywone who *ever* spoke/read/wrote Arabic has my eternal | respect. | | | ============================================================================ | | 236) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 6:03:37 pm | | gregy> | Ray....let's not get too effusive, here........ | ..."eternal" is a bit much, wat??... | ..... | I credit my upbringing in a "mixed" family, where the adults taught us | to spell (e.g. "Don't let gregy hear you say S-H-I-T.") and extended | that inadvertant technique to Norwegian and German. It go so that the | "lingua familia" was DeNorshlish....a couple words of english, a phrase | of german, a phrase of norwegian.....all of it unsuccessfully designed | to shield "little ears" from the vulgarities of life.... | ... | Second credit goes to my 7th-8th grade english teacher, who, finding me | an eclecticist (i.e. a "garbage mind" who had, from the time I was about | 4, devoured any and all things "literary") forced.....FORCED ...me to | hunker down and REALLY learn my own native language (by this time, yes, | we had all agreed that that was english)....and....once she had beaten | (literally, sometimes) english grammar into my head, I never cracked a | grammar book for my 4 years of high school, and subsequent (delayed by | 20 years) 5 years of college. AND...AND....she, also, pointed me back | to the roots of english...whereupon I became a REAL snot...by delving | into MiddleEnglish, OldeEnglish and Anglo-Saxon (I was one of the few | people around who could decipher the Runes of Beowolf in the original).. | ... | Then...getting overseas into North Africa, finding 3-possibles, I chose | Arabic, as the best exercise for learning ALL languages...and so it was | ...after that experience, french and spanish were casual sidedishes, and | such other languages as Chinese and (especially) Thai were possible... | ... | ...and....Farsi...is a non-semitic language written with slightly | modified Arabic script...so....THAT became available to me when I was | assigned there for 4 years on the Iran INTS contract. | .... | Actually...I found that, in spite of my deliberate refusal to even | consider learning farsi, within 6 weeks I couldn't help but understand | a lot of it...and within 6 months, I was speaking it....so...the | fact is....I CAN'T HELP IT...!!!! | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 237) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 6:35:51 pm | | glennmcc> | You're SICK !!! | | That's all I gots to say. | | | ============================================================================ | | 238) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 7:03:06 pm | | ray> | Outstanding. | | Hey, here's my latest idea-that-Glenn-won't-like: | | Having gotten rid of the video setup, I naturaly want to get rid | of the swapping memory setup. So, since XMS is virtualy always | preferable to EMS ... to DISK, why not just get the settup routine | to check them out in that order and use the first one that works? | | Oh, and Gregy, can I send you my latest core for Vladimir? ... and | you and Eric can try it too if ya like. | | | ============================================================================ | | 239) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 8:22:55 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Done ya one better. | | Bypasses both... always uses VGA... always uses XMS | | ============================================================================ | | 240) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 9:13:27 pm | | gregy> | Ray...you don't hafta ask permission.... | ... | However (you expected this)...I'd appreciate a headsup on here whenever | you send one.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 241) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 9:34:56 pm | | ray> | Glenn, hmmm, that sounds interesting, but Vladimir at least uses | disk swapping, so I'm now inclined to back off on that. | | Gregy, right, it's just simple politeness to ask. I'll send it in | a few moments. | | | ============================================================================ | | 242) Tue, Oct 18, 2005 - 9:35:53 pm | | ray> | BTW, I've broken the 260,000 barier :-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 243) Wed, Oct 19, 2005 - 6:55:03 am | | ray> | Glenn, | | Also, the other thing about the swapping code is that there's almost | no savings to be had in either .exe size or free mem. by removing it, | as the whole thing is handled in three lines anyway. No savings in | run speed neither. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 244) Wed, Oct 19, 2005 - 9:32:04 am | | glennmcc> | The one time I agree with your cuts, _AND_ go one step further... | and your reaction is to back-off on the whole idea. | | I give up. | | ============================================================================ | | 245) Wed, Oct 19, 2005 - 4:31:52 pm | | gregy> | he he he...I WUUUVVVV IT...!!! Weeez got the funnnnniest development | and test community on the web...... | ... | Ray...I got it...I'll try to upload it tonight....and will post the | links, as soon as it's up... | ... | Glenn...see my MISC post about the "other place"...... | | | ============================================================================ | | 246) Wed, Oct 19, 2005 - 5:47:45 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Simmer down, I zig, you zag, could it be any other way? :-) | | I'd say the idea just needs a bit more thought. Vladimir tells me | he uses disk swapping with his ramdisk instalation and I was about | to ask Gregy and Eric what happens if they try that -- maybe disk | swapping with a ramdisk is faster? I doubt it but it would be good | to know for sure. What about an auto configuration? Try XMS then | disk if the former fails. BTW, as I read the code, animated GIF's | only work with XMS, is that right? Vladimir, do you get animated GIF's? | Have you tried using XMS swapping? Do you really need disk? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 247) Wed, Oct 19, 2005 - 5:58:45 pm | | ray> | HERE'S PSEUDO CODE FOR AN AUTO CONFIGURATION: | INIT.C: | | // Finished first chew on arguments, now initialize some stuff: ============ | | LoadPck(argv[0]); // Load arachne.pck, must do this first. | gIiPal = malloc(768); // Alocate color palette for 3 * 256 = 256 RGB value | if (!gIiPal) | MemErr0(); | // Note, we could add an error check here: returns 0 if unsucessful. | /* | // ORIGINAL: | if (aXSWAP == 1) SetXmsEms(2); // EMS swapping, hixlov.lib function. | Eif (aXSWAP == 2) gDisableXMS = 1; // Disk swapping | else SetXmsEms(1); // 0 - try to use XMS | */ | // PSEUDO: | char swaptype; | swaptype = SetXmsEms(1); // Try XMS | if (!swaptype) | swaptype = SetXmsEms(2); // Try EMS | if (!swaptype) | gDisableXMS; // Use disk swapping | | //========================================================================== | | ============================================================================ | | 248) Wed, Oct 19, 2005 - 5:59:35 pm | | ray> | Or, Vladimir says we could use a switch to core.exe to set swapping | mode, or we could use an environment variable. | | | ============================================================================ | | 249) Wed, Oct 19, 2005 - 7:19:01 pm | | glennmcc> | Question: What the heck is an 'Eif' ???? | | Eif (aXSWAP == 2) gDisableXMS = 1; // Disk swapping | | | ============================================================================ | | 250) Wed, Oct 19, 2005 - 9:37:46 pm | | ray> | It's pretty obvious isn't it? -- one of my little space savers :) | Just be glad i didn't shorten 'sizeof' to Sof < GGGG > | | | ============================================================================ | | 251) Wed, Oct 19, 2005 - 9:39:37 pm | | glennmcc> | Ah ha, found it. | | ---------- e:defines.h | #define Eif else if | | You are too lazy to type 'else if' so you create a define for it | so you can save 4 key-strokes. | | You have got to be the laziest SOB I have ever met. | | ============================================================================ | | 252) Wed, Oct 19, 2005 - 9:41:40 pm | | glennmcc> | Im surprized as heck that you _did'nt_ do this too. | | #define Sof sizeof | | | ============================================================================ | | 253) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 1:13:20 am | | Eric> | Ray, I don't know what you mean by "disk swapping". | | ============================================================================ | | 254) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 1:18:35 am | | glennmcc> | During setup we have 3 choices presented to us. | | XMS | EMS | Disk | | If we choose 'Disk', Arachne's built-in Xswap memory manager will swap | data in and out to disk instead of memory. | | ============================================================================ | | 255) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 3:44:07 am | | vbm> | re: #246: | Ray, my phone line don't allowing me loads an images. | da, I'm use XMS too when run from hdd... | | Ray, I asking you - please ask people from coollist or freelist what | they using.. | because how many us? I see less 10... | this can finished bawl... | | | ============================================================================ | | 256) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 7:09:55 am | | ray> | Glenn, | | Well, notwithstanding that I may be a lazy SOB, the reason for the | #define is to compact the sources, and even more, to allow a nice | neat vertical alignment of repetative statements without pushing stuff | off the right of the screen. The #define saved several K and about | 100 lines. But then neat, clean, compact code isn't something you | value. | | | ============================================================================ | | 257) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 10:34:28 am | | Eric> | Thanks Glenn, I get the "diskswap"now! Thrashing the hdd. | | ============================================================================ | | 258) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 2:17:42 pm | | gregy> | http://arachne.virtualave.net/apub/6a-1kexe.zip | | | | ============================================================================ | | 259) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 2:19:13 pm | URL | | gregy> | Vladimir...Eric...et al....here are the new files Ray wanted me to | upload for you to get: | | http://arachne.virtualave.net/apub/6a-1kexe.zip | http://arachne.virtualave.net/apub/6a-1ksrc.zip | | | | ============================================================================ | | 260) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 2:21:21 pm | URL | | gregy> | And again with the 1kSRC under the URL | | http://arachne.virtualave.net/apub/6a-1kexe.zip | http://arachne.virtualave.net/apub/6a-1ksrc.zip | | | ============================================================================ | | 261) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 2:28:50 pm | URL | | gregy> | Ray....Re: XMSdiskswap...faster...?? hmmmm...I don't know...because | I ALWAYS use the RAMdisk for everything, so I suppose that's where my | xswap is pointed...but....but...WHY??? would I want to do that..?? | .. | AFAIK...Arachne is doing xswap into extended memory...why would I want | to put another stage of complication in there by setting up to xswap | to disk, then point to the RAMDISK...?? It just seems to be "going | 'round the mulberry bush" rather than getting "straight to the solution" | ..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 262) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 3:17:54 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | I agree -- it seems to me that XMS is the way to go in every situation, | but it would be interesting to see your results, just choose | 'disk' at the second setup screen (first screen with my latest core) | and see what happens. AFAICT you can't choose the disk used, it's the | 'current' disk, which would be the ramdisk for you guys. Like Glenn, | I'd like to make the choice to XMS automaticaly but I just want to | be sure that there's no real reason to hesitate on that. | | ============================================================================ | | 263) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 3:19:23 pm | | ray> | BTW, Eric, it's strange that it's thrashing your HDD, 'cause if you | use a ramdisk, it should be using that, no? | | | ============================================================================ | | 264) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 5:27:33 pm | | gregy> | Ray...re: Eric's HDD thrashing....prolly..what's happening...is that | XMS does NOT get pointed to the "current disk"....but...gets pointed | to the "original default" which was C:\...... | ... | Anyway....if/when I get time...I'll try it... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 265) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 5:28:12 pm | | gregy> | oops...sorry....I meant "xswap does NOT get pointed...etc"... | | | ============================================================================ | | 266) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 5:45:04 pm | | glennmcc> | Just now tried it. | | DiskSwapping 100% on RamDrive | | 'eats up' 29kb of conv memory | | Slowed Arachne to about 50% normal speed | | These are the undelete files from L:\temp\arachne.tmp\ | after just 2min of testing. | | --a--- 32,468 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\1160._$b | --a--- 32,065 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\3._$b | --a--- 18,433 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\4._$b | --a--- 18,433 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\5._$b | --a--- 18,433 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\6._$b | --a--- 32,354 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\1114._$b | --a--- 21,013 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\1108._$b | --a--- 32,065 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\9._$b | --a--- 32,065 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\476._$b | --a--- 32,065 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\401._$b | --a--- 18,433 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\14._$b | --a--- 18,433 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\15._$b | --a--- 32,065 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\567._$b | --a--- 18,433 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\405._$b | --a--- 18,433 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\406._$b | --a--- 18,433 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\407._$b | --a--- 18,433 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\408._$b | --a--- 18,433 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\409._$b | --a--- 18,433 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\410._$b | --a--- 32,065 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\724._$b | --a--- 32,065 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\765._$b | --a--- 32,065 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\726._$b | --a--- 32,065 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\893._$b | --a--- 18,433 10-20-05 6:37p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\535._$b | --a--- 32,065 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\767._$b | --a--- 32,065 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\900._$b | --a--- 18,433 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\853._$b | --a--- 18,433 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\854._$b | --a--- 18,433 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\855._$b | --a--- 32,065 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\932._$b | --a--- 4,018 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\1112._$b | --a--- 30,189 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\996._$b | --a--- 30,070 10-20-05 6:38p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\1113._$b | total files 33 total bytes 811,387 disk free space 97,224,704 | | | ============================================================================ | | 267) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 5:45:52 pm | | glennmcc> | I'll stick to XMSswapping... thank you. | | | ============================================================================ | | 268) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 8:13:46 pm | | gregy> | Well...now...you saved me the trouble of trying it myself..... | ... | ty ty ty | | | ============================================================================ | | 269) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 8:24:03 pm | | ray> | I suppose I should try it too :( | ... or not :) | | | ============================================================================ | | 270) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 9:33:30 pm | | ray> | As I read iekernel, she is already automaticaly using XMS when | available and disk otherwise :-/ If I'm right, then the question | becomes why was the memory setup stuff ever put there in the first | place? | | | ============================================================================ | | 271) Thu, Oct 20, 2005 - 11:19:03 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I do use RAM disk....It doesn't thrash this way... | Thrashing is what we called it when the RAM disk wasn't used. | The HDD shook the whole machine cause it was working so hard! | | ============================================================================ | | 272) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 5:03:18 am | URL | | vbm> | spasibo, Gregy.... | | now, somebody looking to page http://mvb.kbsu.ru/settings.htm with | Glenn's and Ray's cores 1.85 using LOW resolution... | and say me what's wrong, Ray's core or my page or my head? | | ============================================================================ | | 273) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 5:12:45 am | URL | | vbm> | that page, if look Ray's core, is widest than need, so think this bug | of core... | because this normal look in Glenn's/Joe's core. | and I tryed reworks that page - decreasing width tables, but no | result... | | | ============================================================================ | | 274) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 5:41:11 am | URL | | vbm> | sorry, forgot, under LOW resolution I assuming 640x480... | | ============================================================================ | | 275) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 1:55:26 pm | | gregy> | Vladimir....using Glenn's lastest stable 1.87core...that page is a tiny | bit too wide....(I haven't looked at it in Ray's core)....but...it IS | too wide at normalLOW resolution (which is the resolution I ALWAYS use | because my eyes won't stand higherResolution on an only-17inch monitor.) | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 276) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 1:56:05 pm | | gregy> | NOTE - an AVA-pertaining post up on my MISC.. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 277) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 1:59:02 pm | | gregy> | Ray...why was the memory stuff put in, originally...??? | .. | Well, there is SOMEthing being effected, when we change things (see | Glenn's test results)...and you/we don't understand WHY??...so...I | suggest leaving it "as is"....or we're likely to mess it up.... | ...before we understand just what is happening.. | | | ============================================================================ | | 278) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 2:20:32 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Put the URL in the URL box for your MISC. | | Vladimir, I see your page he same as Gregy with 1.85 | | ============================================================================ | | 279) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 2:52:41 pm | | Eric> | When I am in 640X480 and I press "-" I am sent to the video | setup regime. Is that the way it is supposed to work now? | When I am in 800X600 and I press "+" the page just reloads | in 800X600....no forced video setup. | | | ============================================================================ | | 280) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 3:08:19 pm | | Eric> | I just got "the black screen of death" playing with the video | setup. Arachne seems locked up...will have to "ctrl-alt-del". | Is there any way to stop that....I'm sure that will tend to | discourage new users. | | ============================================================================ | | 281) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 3:18:27 pm | | gregy> | Eric...that's why I said that that ARACHNE.PCK must NEVER be deleted, | ever, ever, by CORE.EXE, or any other program/function.....because (1) | It needs to ONLY be overwritten with any new data, and (2) deleting it | brings on the SETUP, and can lead to all manner of other problems ... | of which your "black screen of death" may be one.... | ... | However, Eric...I suggest that, AS SOON AS you get a good setup and | Arachne is running okay, you COPY ARACHNE.PCK ARACHNE.PCX....then, when | you mess up...you can go to CommandLineInterface and COPY ARACHNE.PCX | to ARACHNE.PCK...and....voila.!!! you have your .PCK file, again.. | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 282) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 3:19:26 pm | URL | | gregy> | My MISC,...Eric.. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 283) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 3:39:45 pm | URL | | little_birdie> | Result: Failed validation, 482 errors | | | ============================================================================ | | 284) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 4:52:15 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | As with the others, I see your page as too wide with my core, | 1.83 and Joe's showing identicaly. | | Gregy, | | We should of course proceed with caution, but nothing ventured, | nothing gained. The code in question is trivialy easy to comment | out and just as easy to revive should it be needed. Me, I find that | even when I'm wrong about something, I always learn quite a bit | by removing some 'useless' code, 'cause I then know what it is for. | OTOH, Arachne is full of useless artifacts due to MP's sloppy | code maintenance, and this could easily be one of those. BTW my | core never deletes arachne.pck any more. | | ============================================================================ | | 285) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 5:12:47 pm | | glennmcc> | Ditto ;-) | | --- init.c --- | if(argv[1][1]=='s') | { | detectgraphics(); | //!!glennmcc: Sep 30, 2005 -- do not delete arachne.pck | //go ahead and use it if it already exists | // unlink("arachne.pck"); | tcpip=-1; //setup mode | arachne.GUIstyle|=4; | } | ______________ | | | ============================================================================ | | 286) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 5:55:56 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, et al, the problem with "the black screen of death" | is one can't get/see the command line...so...arachne.pcx does | NO good. One can't tell what is happening 'cause the screen | is black! I tried guessing keystrokes, ctrl-break, alt-E, etc. | Eventually, the key buffer would just load-up and start beeping. | I think I caused it by picking the wrong brand video card while | experimenting with video. | | ============================================================================ | | 287) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 6:13:50 pm | | Eric> | I think the "Arachne Video Setup" page could use a little more | explanation on the page on the proper procedure for setting | up the page such as: | 1. Pick the default setup by clicking on "Try selected graphics mode" | (Recommended for beginners) | ...OR... | 2a. Pick one video card type by tabing to appropriate check box. Then press | enter...or...click on appropriate check box. | 2b. Pick one size/color resolution as above. | 2c. Click on "Try selected graphics mode". | | ============================================================================ | | 288) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 6:21:11 pm | | Eric> | Also, if the "black page of death" can't be prevented then some | appropriate warning that it might occur and require a reboot to | correct it, should also appear. Predicted consequences are usually | accepted better than explainations after the fact. | | | ============================================================================ | | 289) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 6:25:12 pm | | Eric> | Is there any error code or way of knowing if the video is working | other than by visual examination? | | ============================================================================ | | 290) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 6:29:12 pm | | Eric> | Hey Guys, Have you noticed...Monty Python seems to have scared | everyone off the Coders board! | | ============================================================================ | | 291) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 6:29:19 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | -- BSOD fix --- | | mode 80,25 | | | ============================================================================ | | 292) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 6:40:41 pm | | Eric> | BSOD fix only works if you can return to command.com....I couldn't | return to command.com/cmnd. line! I tried unsuccessfully....But if one | can return to command.com/shell then "mode 80,25" should work. | I often can recapture video just by calling up one of the video graphics | programs such as Pictview or QV. | | ============================================================================ | | 293) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 6:43:15 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Ya mean like this ? | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/vga.htm | | ============================================================================ | | 294) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 6:45:34 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | mode 80,25 ain't failed me yet. | | Try it next time to see if works for you. | | | ============================================================================ | | 295) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 6:46:36 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | If you can run 'QV'.... you can run 'mode' | | ============================================================================ | | 296) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 6:49:34 pm | | Eric> | The scariest loss of video occurred when I screwed with my CMOS. | I had to install another video board and set my CMOS by using the | setup manual and counting keystrokes. Very tricky and disconcerting. | | | ============================================================================ | | 297) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 6:50:58 pm | | Eric> | Your right, I couldn't run anything...I had to reboot....I'm just | setting it up right now! | | | ============================================================================ | | 298) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 7:17:46 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, That's what I was thinking of....Too bad it doesn't | all fit on one page. What do you think of it? | | ============================================================================ | | 299) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 7:18:57 pm | | glennmcc> | Ooooo.... screwed-up the CMOS. | | That SUCKS.... don't ya just _HATE_ whaen that happens? | | ============================================================================ | | 300) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 7:20:10 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Cleaned it up a little bit... it now fits completely on-screen even in | 640x480 res (no scrolling needed) | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/vga.htm | | | ============================================================================ | | 301) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 7:21:09 pm | | glennmcc> | Full-screen mode I mean | | ============================================================================ | | 302) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 7:24:58 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | It's now on this one too for on-the-fly vid setup changes. | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/hgcgevga.htm | | | ============================================================================ | | 303) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 9:22:43 pm | | ray> | Glenn, that's a nice improvement, now how about cutting out the | CGA and EGA stuff? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 304) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 9:24:53 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Any CMOS that I've ever seen has something to the effect of | 'restore defaults' and I've never known that fail to restore the | machine to a bootable condition. | | | ============================================================================ | | 305) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 9:48:35 pm | URL | | Eric> | Ray, You can't restore defaults if your monitor refuses to | display anything.....all you can do is count key presses! | | ============================================================================ | | 306) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 9:51:37 pm | URL | | Eric> | Glenn, RE: #299 - After I finally got the darn thing working | again, I had to go change my underware! | | | ============================================================================ | | 307) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 9:55:48 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, RE: #300 ... I like it...I didn't think it could be done | without changing font size. | | ============================================================================ | | 308) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 9:55:59 pm | | gregy> | Ray...only if we can get a consensus on all the lists, that CGA and EGA | are no longer needed.... | ... | You know that someone will bitterly complain if we do it too quickly.. | ...without letting everyone gripe.... | .. | I mean...look what happened with the 386+ change.....it was floated | around for some time, before you guys finally implemented it... | ...and...consequently, no one bitterly complained..... | Keep mentioning this on coollist and freelist and YGroups-Dev and | let it simmer for a couple more months... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 309) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 10:00:45 pm | | gregy> | Eric .....I've done that...the cure is...:: | ... | 1. Cut off all power and unplug pwr cord from the box. | 2. Open up | 3. Remove CMOS battery | 4. As per the mobo manual, briefly short out the RESET pins | 5. Replace battery, closeup case, connect power, turnon, reboot, and | your (any) CMOS will come up in "standard VGA" mode, that any standard | VGA card can use for display.... | It's only if you got some off-the-wall card that isn't standard VGA that | will sometimes give you problems.....in that case...swap to a standard | VGA card... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 310) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 10:00:52 pm | | Eric> | Glenn, RE: #302 .... I see you did change font size in this one. | | | ============================================================================ | | 311) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 10:03:27 pm | | gregy> | The old CMOS BIOSes didn't do any checking to see what kinda vidcard | they were being asked to talk to.... | ... | I think the newer BIOSes do a small amount of detecting...however I | won't swear by that...as I'm not using anywhere close to "newer"... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 312) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 10:06:53 pm | | gregy> | Eric...yes...I'm avoiding the adev board...I've finally been able to | return to normal, no cookie-tossing at the thought of the adevboard, | etc....so...I think I'll avoid it for a little longer to give my innards | more time to return to normal... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 313) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 10:08:53 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Thanks for the info....makes sense....Since I'm not | that savy about CMOS that technique never entered my mind. | But...now that you mention it this DOS computer hasn't got a good | battery and if I leave it off too long then I have to redo | CMOS setup. | | ============================================================================ | | 314) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 10:20:49 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, The video board in question where I screwed up the CMOS is | a PCI 3D VIRGE or somesuch that requires a driver and it is evidently | a bastard card because I could never find any new drivers for it | on the internet. The company was bought out. I could find drivers | for other versions of the card but not for my version. I spent | considerable time searching because it has some strange behaviors | I wanted to try and correct. eg. in DOS it seems to be giving a | seven bit display of letters instead of 8 bits. | | ============================================================================ | | 315) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 10:43:56 pm | | gregy> | ahhhh...I see....but...but (youknewthiswascoming)...it may be a very | non-standard card, but is SHOULD startup at more-or-less standard VGA | configuration. All my "supervidcards" that require drivers, etc,etc, | (such as Matrox, etc) ALL fireup in standardVGA....they need (and | needed) to do this precisely because people using them MUST be able to | see their POST running, and access the CMOS BIOS before any special | drivers are loaded.. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 316) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 10:50:02 pm | | gregy> | yep...that thing sounds like a "critter".......7pixs instead of | 8pix character-boxes definitely sounds strange... | ... | I went to eBay and ComputerSurplusOutlet, etc, and bought some old, used | standard ISA VGAs for peanuts, just so I'd have some "swap-ins" for | when I ran into a problem like you ran into... | ... | However, I prefer PCI vidcards, because they don't take up an ISA slot | which are now obsolete, and the newer a mobo you buy, the fewer there | are...with the "today's model" totally without them....so...I'm trying | to collect enough good-ole standard VGA PCI cards, so I can have some | for the future that I KNOW are proven workers.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 317) Fri, Oct 21, 2005 - 10:53:24 pm | | gregy> | FWIW...I ain't a "gamer" and never need the "SuperFunctionality" that | these supervidcards include....I never will....so...any supervidcard, | without special drivers (which we mostly can get for DOS, anyway) is | just fine and dandy....it suits my needs.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 318) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 12:06:19 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Ten years ago I used to pay close attention to what video | cards and motherboards, and etc. I should be buying. The last ten years | I stopped my subscription to Computer Shopper and etc. and have lost | track of such things. I use what others discard for new equipment | mostly. That new 160GB HDD is my first computer purchase in years. | And I was told about that deal by a friend or I wouldn't have it. | I haven't even bought anything on Ebay. The point is I'm not | as savy as I used to be and I made purchase mistakes then so I tend | to shy away from buying cards, etc. 'cause I don't need any more | stuff to store away until I can use it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 319) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 1:58:24 am | | gregy> | wheeewwwsh...Eric,...you remind me of how much "stuff" I've got stashed | ... | ... | BTW...that 160Gbyte HDD...is that a SCSI or IDE...??? | ... | And, remember, no matter what, DOS cannot see over about 4.2Gbytes... | ... | I have about a half-dozen brand-new Micropolis IDE 2.5Gbyte HDDs, and | I might...MIGHT buy a few 4-6Gbyte HDDs for future use...but...with | CD and DVD recorders, now...any perceived need for gigantic drives | has gone out the window....as far as I'm concerned... | .. | And...I dropped my ComputerShopper subscription at least 6 years ago.. | (can't remember the exact date)...when I finally broke down, and got | my own dialup webconnection, I could get to all my usual suppliers | without CS..so I dropped it... | .. | I deal with a lot of the old suppliers I first got on to in CS...like | HiTechCafe...ComputerGate....Microcenter....Mendelsons...and I've done | good business with some of the newer ones, such as ComputerSurplusOutlet | (since bought by "isellsurplus" - who are good to do business with)... | ...and...I buy stuff on eBay...if I do a search and don't find what I | want, I just set it up for "autosearch" and it sends me an email every | day...as to whether or not my item has been offered for sale...I've | done this numerous times....and usually get what I'm looking for... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 320) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 2:50:43 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I started Computer Shopper with the charter issue I think | and liked it as much for the educational articles as the ads. | In later years the articles on programming, assembly language, | etc. dissappeared so I found it only useful for adverts. | The 160GB HHD is IDE. I only have one SCSI in use presently which | I think is a 650MB, a big old full size clunker, Micropolis, I think. | Using a Future Domain SCSI contoller card. | | ============================================================================ | | 321) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 3:21:58 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Where do you get this 4.2GB DOS limit? Right now I | have my 160GB IDE drive installed and CMOS shows 7629MB. I'm | using W$95 DOS. I setup a Primary partition and an extended | DOS partition, with 9 512MB partitions. I am just experimenting | since it's been a while since I did any partitioning or serious | HDD setups. I used to buy MMF drives for $5-$10 at computer | flea markets and take them apart and re-assemble them and then | do all sorts of "fun" formating and bad sector searches and | partitioning stuff on them. I'm still not sure about use | of primary and extended partitions and logical partitions. I would | like to find some info on that to increase my comprehension | of HDD setup. I still don't understand why IDE and SCSI drives | don't require low level formating. | | | ============================================================================ | | 322) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 3:35:09 am | | vbm> | re: ##275, 278, 284: | spasibo all, I never would think that this could be from nardware... ;-))) | re: #283: | these errors from originals *.ah files whichs copied to one, so - not mea cu | | ============================================================================ | | 323) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 8:47:42 am | | ray> | Gregy, | | Re EGA, na, Glenn and I agree on this, and no one on the coollist | objected -- EGA is dead. I'll take the lighter and faster code any | day. | | Re Disk size, Eric is right, if you use W98 DOS and FAT32 you can | see any size disk. | | | ============================================================================ | | 324) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 8:54:35 am | | ray> | But, didn't Joe say that one of the alternate DOS'es now has FAT32? | I've gotta look into that. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 325) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 1:54:56 pm | | gregy> | Ahhh, yes...Ray, Eric, et al....with non-DOS DOS...you CAN see more than | the "ogiginal DOS limit"....with my OS/2, I think "the sky's the limit" | ... | BUT...straight out, with DOS, there IS a limit....and you need to load | a "modern OS" to be able to see the upper-reaches of an HDD... | | | ============================================================================ | | 326) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 1:58:48 pm | | gregy> | Re:...DOS FAT32....AFAIR...that is the "Extender Project" for DRDOS7.01 | (or 7.03??)...anyway, I read something about them having FAT32 in the | project... | | | ============================================================================ | | 327) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 2:09:14 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I couldn't see any size disk with my computer 'cause of the | BIOS. I couldn't find any literature giving head, cyl, sect, etc. | info, but the Hitachi install program gave a choice of disk sizes | of which the smallest was 8GB. I tried the larger choices and the | BIOS would lock up on bootup...so...I had to go with 8GB. I used | W$95 DOS startup disk to partition HDD so I would get FAT16 formatted | HDD. Somewhere I have a small assembly program that forced FAT12 | so that the ?cluster size? was smaller. That way more of the disk | was usable (less wasted space) but I don't think I want to use the | FAT12 here. I'm not sure what other consequences there are. | | | ============================================================================ | | 328) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 2:09:53 pm | | gregy> | Eric...I don't remember why IDE drives don't need lowlevel format... | ...however...there ARE utilities that do a "real" lowlevel format on | both those type of drives....but....usually, you don't.....it's only for | mfgs when they quality check their drives...doing a "real" lowlevel | format is reliably reported to be an almost sure way to mess up a drive | .... | ... | There ARE utilities/BIOSes which do what is called a "low level format" | but..all these do is to set/reset the DriveTables (Head, Cyl, Sector) | which are stored in the InDriveElectronics (IDE, remember?)....and I | have an old (before CMOS BIOS handled them) IDE controller card with | onboard extraBIOS, that has a built-in utility for setting/resetting | the DriveTables....I've done it..a long time ago...and I know it works, | but..I mostly just get drives with the correct tables still installed | ...so...I don't hafta drag out that old card and set/reset things... | ... | But...if I get a drive, that is reported by CMOS BIOS to have REALLY | weird combination of DriveSpecs, then I FDISK in in OS/2, and check that | ...and...if it's REALLY, REALLY all messed up....then...I can run that | untility against the drive and reset everything to mfgr's specs and it | will (always has) work fine... | | | ============================================================================ | | 329) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 3:42:39 pm | | glennmcc> | re:"And, remember, no matter what, DOS cannot see over about 4.2Gbytes..." | | Wanna bet ? | | | Disk Partitions Cylinders Heads Sectors Mbytes | 1 9 11166 16 63 5495.8 | 2 3 1240 255 63 9732.0 | | __________________ | | | Disk Partitions Cylinders Heads Sectors Mbytes | 1 9 11166 16 63 5495.8 | | Partition Status Type Volume Label Mbytes System Usage | C: 1 A PRI DOS 266.7 FAT16 5% | 2 EXT DOS 3961.3 72% | D: 3 LOG DOS 313.7 FAT16 6% | E: 4 LOG DOS 509.8 FAT16 9% | F: 5 LOG DOS 509.8 FAT16 9% | G: 6 LOG DOS 509.8 FAT16 9% | H: 7 LOG DOS 1058.9 FAT16 19% | I: 8 LOG DOS 1058.9 FAT16 19% | 9 H PRI DOS WIN98 1262.9 FAT16 23% | | _______________________________ | | | Disk Partitions Cylinders Heads Sectors Mbytes | 2 3 1240 255 63 9732.0 | | Partition Status Type Volume Label Mbytes System Usage | 1 A LINUX 7059.8 EXT2FS 73% | 2 A LINUX 2353.3 EXT2FS 24% | 3 LINUX SWAP Unformatted 313.8 3% | | ___________________________ | | The only limitation of the older versions | of DOS is that of 2gigs per partition. | | | FYI, | | Dr-Dos v8 is now fully Fat32 compatible. | | No more 2gig limit. | | ============================================================================ | | 330) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 3:52:19 pm | | glennmcc> | As to low level format. | | All HDDs (IDE and SCSI alike), actually still _do_ require a low level forma | just like in 'the olden days. | | But not by the 'end user'. | | All we need to do is to setup the partions and then do a 'high level format' | | Now-a-days.... the low level foramt is done at the factory. | | | ============================================================================ | | 331) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 4:05:11 pm | | gregy> | yes, indeed...and that's been the way since the IDE's were introduced. | ...as I said....trying it, is a good way to REALLY mess up your HDD. | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 332) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 4:44:03 pm | | gregy> | ummmm...Glenn...your AQC seems to be down.... | ..got "Forbidden..etc"...error from your server... | | | ============================================================================ | | 333) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 5:05:20 pm | | glennmcc> | The CisNet servers are having some MAJOR problems today. | | I camn't even get into my site via FTP :(( | | | ============================================================================ | | 334) Sat, Oct 22, 2005 - 5:06:23 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Same happening on Bear's board :( | | http://www.thechicagobear.org/chat/ | | ============================================================================ | | 335) Sun, Oct 23, 2005 - 10:18:15 am | | andrej> | hello | just got the knowledge of existance of this site, | will read befor i try to post anything | regards | andrej | | ============================================================================ | | 336) Sun, Oct 23, 2005 - 8:37:04 pm | | gregy> | Andrej....welcome....as you can see...this is where the CORE Testers | interact with the Arachne Development Community Code-writers...and.. | since Eric and I are about the two primary Testers, we could use you, | too.........up to a point, "more-is-better"......and we can give | the Coders' cores a more comprehensive workout before they release to | the public... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 337) Sun, Oct 23, 2005 - 8:40:57 pm | | gregy> | Andrej...here you will meet, Eric and gregy....Testers....glennmcc, Ray, | and Vladimir (and sometimes Joe) ...Coders.... | ... | And...we're all certified "nutcases" so...BE ADVISED...you have to take | a lot of comments, here, "with a grain of salt"...I mean....a lot of the | time we are making jokes, snotty remarks....and general mayhem... | .. | So, welcome...and if we say something you feel offended by...that means | that we probably said something in a way you didn't understand..so.. | please do NOT "take offense" and anything we say.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 338) Sun, Oct 23, 2005 - 8:44:04 pm | | gregy> | Eric....AFAIK...FAT12 is the FAT used on floppies, ONLY..!!!....I think | you don't want to use it on a hard drive, or Zipdrive, etc.. | .. | And, BTW...you use FDISK selections to adjust the "cluster size"...I | mean, usually.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 339) Mon, Oct 24, 2005 - 12:58:08 am | | Gregy, > | Gregy, My FDISK doesn't say anything about cluster size | that I know of. Do you know something else that I don't about | FDISK. I can't remember exact cluster size, but FAT12 is that | used for floppies and as I recall for original small HDD. If one is | using many small programs, it gives more usable drive space 'cause | less space is wasted....since a minimum of one cluster is always | used for any file. | | | ============================================================================ | | 340) Mon, Oct 24, 2005 - 1:01:46 am | | Eric> | OOPS.....Above post, #339 is mine. Accidently got Gregy's | name in NICK box. | | ============================================================================ | | 341) Mon, Oct 24, 2005 - 1:18:36 am | | Eric> | Glenn, Why do I get WARNINGs on your aralists.php page? | | ============================================================================ | | 342) Mon, Oct 24, 2005 - 1:33:29 am | | gregy> | Eric....Glenn's ISP's server(s) went down, big time, this weekend...they | are still in the process of getting them back on the air... | .. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 343) Mon, Oct 24, 2005 - 1:42:25 am | | gregy> | Eric...I'm sure, that in FDISK, somewhere during the whole process of | partitioning, formatting, etc....you run into an option for setting the | "cluster size".....I think, pretty certainly, that it's when you choose | the option to format, then it asks you for filesystem type, then it asks | for cluster size..... | .... | ARAIR....on my 125Mbyte boot partition, I have chosen 4096, but that may | be wrong...I may have 4096 on my 512Mbyte HPFS partitions, and only 1024 | on my FAT16 OS/2 boot partition....anyway....it is in that utility that | the cluster size it set....there is not place else where it is/couldbe | set. When you format a floppy, it's default(and non-changeable) format | is FAT12, with default cluster size of 512bytes....all other type/size | disks are adjustable....with a clear breakoff point at 128Mbytes, and | again at 512Mbytes, and again at 1Gbyte...etc...etc.. | ... | do a google for "cluster size" ...that ought to give you most of the | info (from the horses mouth)...so you don't hafta depend on my flakey | old memory.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 344) Mon, Oct 24, 2005 - 1:46:20 am | URL | | gregy> | Ah..here it is...more than you ever wanted to know about "cluster size" | ... | | http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file/partCluster-c.html | | | ============================================================================ | | 345) Mon, Oct 24, 2005 - 3:02:52 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I'm sure FDISK sets the cluster size...It just | doesn't give any options....it's automatic with my FDISK | from W$95. | Thanks for the URL. I'll check it out. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 346) Mon, Oct 24, 2005 - 3:14:55 am | | Eric> | Gregy, That URL describes the Cluster situation pretty much | as I under stood it...but...it never hurts to refresh one's | memory. As I said, I used FAT12 on some small HDDs a | long time ago. | | | ============================================================================ | | 347) Mon, Oct 24, 2005 - 12:39:46 pm | | vbm> | Privet, Andrej... welcome to group a guinea-mouses.... ;-)))))))) | Ray, also fat32 support freedos.... | | Glennnn, I dowloaded zip with insight 3.87.6, and see that messges | again not to one file... so, explaining sir... ;-))))))))))))))))) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 348) Mon, Oct 24, 2005 - 2:51:55 pm | | gregy> | Vladimir...I'll explain...there are two types of email programs...the | old, original (al la Microsoft Mail, Insight, and others) that download | and store messages as separate files for each message. | The other type is the Eudora type, that download messages and store all | of them in one "database" file, with index/marker into the file for | keeping track of individual messages... | .. | Insight/CORE is the old, single-file-per-message, type....and most | Arachne users are not interested in change that. Especially since there | are DOS email programs that use a "databasefile" type of message storage | and users can use those with Arachne. | ... | However, if Glenn, Ray, You, or someone else wants to write another | email program specifically for Arachne, that uses the "databasefile" | prardigm, that would be tailor-made for Arachne...maybe other Arachne | users would be interested. | ... | But, I (and most ordinary Arachne users) would not want Insight/CORE | changed so that we had to store our messages in one-database-file.. | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 349) Mon, Oct 24, 2005 - 3:53:21 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | I think you misunderstand Vladimir, probably what he's talking about | is his translated Russian text for insight. As with core, him and | I move all the internal text messages out to a separate file, so | that you can compile with the language of your choice. If that's the | case, we can easily import Glenn's recent changes into the | translatable insight sources. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 350) Mon, Oct 24, 2005 - 5:04:45 pm | | gregy> | uh huh...then, if that's the case, we have had a failure to communicate | ...I have failed to understand.......and mea culpa... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 351) Mon, Oct 24, 2005 - 5:11:06 pm | | ray> | No problemo, you made the obvious assumption, and since life would | be impossible without assumptions, we are only 'culpa' when our | assumptions are sloppy. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 352) Mon, Oct 24, 2005 - 5:34:15 pm | | glennmcc> | I'm gonna switch to the new insight code starting with the next version. | | Vladimir, | | Please refresh my memory... | | Which version of the insight code did you translate ? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 353) Mon, Oct 24, 2005 - 5:37:51 pm | | glennmcc> | Here's what I have........ | | --a--- 6,210 1-09-05 6:11p attach.c | --a--- 2,265 6-16-05 9:12p base64.c | --a--- 298 1-22-99 5:56p cfg.h | --a--- 21,830 6-16-05 9:11p convmsg.c | --a--- 1,250 5-12-05 4:18p define.h | --a--- 165 7-21-00 11:02a detidx.c | --a--- 9,326 11-02-95 12:00a dirport.h | --a--- 2,172 6-16-05 9:09p dosfiles.h | --a--- 1,561 11-02-95 12:00a extkword.h | --a--- 4,875 6-05-05 8:46p folders.c | --a--- 3,156 12-10-99 4:00a getico.c | --a--- 14,685 6-13-05 9:14p hdrout.c | --a--- 1,205 5-14-05 8:26p help.c | --a--- 15,254 5-18-05 8:20a idx.c | --a--- 1,960 5-15-05 5:31p inifile.c | --a--- 29,190 6-22-05 4:50p insight.c | --a--- 900 6-17-05 12:39p insight.dsk | --a--- 81,984 6-17-05 12:38p insight.exe | --a--- 9,124 6-17-05 12:39p insight.prj | --a--- 18,047 6-22-05 10:59p messages.c | --a--- 4,149 5-16-05 1:37p messages.h | --a--- 3,346 5-16-05 1:21p procmime.c | --a--- 278 10-02-99 3:32p savefold.c | --a--- 638 11-02-95 12:00a sniptype.h | --a--- 1,144 1-15-00 12:37a str.c | --a--- 1,050 12-11-00 2:46a str.h | --a--- 3,119 11-27-04 2:08a string1.c | --a--- 666 12-10-99 3:46a string1.h | --a--- 464 1-22-99 2:18p tidx.h | --a--- 2,026  4-26-97 4:59a truname.c | --a--- 69 12-10-99 3:55a truname.h | total files 31 total bytes 242,406 | | | ============================================================================ | | 354) Tue, Oct 25, 2005 - 3:52:01 am | | vbm> | re:@## 348...353: | | spasibo, Gregy, for explaining, ;-))))) but I'm not (while?) so clever for | deep reworking a code. my task is translating and hunt to bugs... ;-))))))) | but by way I know more news... ;-))))) from you too... ;-))))) | your misunderstood perhaps mea culpe since I not correct formulated ask... ; | | Glenn, we did reworking 3.87.2 vers... | which I sent to you... | seems listing is from right vers... :-))))))) | because to it existing mess* files... | what new vers you are assuming: 3.87.7 or 3.88.0 or 4.0.0? ;-))))) | | | ============================================================================ | | 355) Tue, Oct 25, 2005 - 4:01:48 pm | | gregy> | Vladimir...yes...it might be mis-communication both ways...but...HEY.!! | that is fine...we can straighten that out.......as long as we | don't shoot each other.... | ... | Oh, and BTW...how is your safety problem in Nalchik...I haven't heard | anything more on the news.....I hope things have returned to normal... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 356) Tue, Oct 25, 2005 - 6:30:12 pm | | glennmcc> | Vladimir, | | Thank you for the info | | I will now move my changes since v3.87.2 into your code and the next | version will be 4.0;ML | | ML == Multi Lingual | | If I understand correctly what I'm seeing in messages.c | | We comment-out the English messages, un-comment the Russian messages, | recompile and we have the Russian version. | | How about this idea. | | Rename all of the Russian message names to have 'RU' at the end | Rename all English message names to have 'EN' at the end. | | Redo all code pertaining to them to choose which message to display | based upon a new arachne.cfg variable | | Language RU | | or | | Language EN | | As we translate to more languages... we simply add more allowable | values to the Language variable. | | AR== Armenian | | DE == Deutch | | SW == Swedish | | CA == Canadian | | ============================================================================ | | 357) Tue, Oct 25, 2005 - 6:34:43 pm | | ray> | No no no Glenn, it's a matter of comiling with the language file | that's need, nothing is ever commented out. The system is in place | in my current code, look for "#ifdef RUSSIAN" and "#define RUSSIAN" | to see how it works. | | BTW, you forgot | | US == American | | | | ============================================================================ | | 358) Tue, Oct 25, 2005 - 9:39:17 pm | | glennmcc> | Have a look at the files in question (post 353) | | #ifdef RUSSIAN does not exist in the code Vladimir sent to me. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 359) Tue, Oct 25, 2005 - 9:46:00 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Be that as it my.... | | I just now finished melding all of my changes done since January | into Vladimir's code. | | v4.0;ML is ready to go. | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/ins-ml.zip | | EN.BAT will copy messages.en to messages.c and start BC.EXE | | RU.BAT will copy messages.ru to messages.c and start BC.EXE | | After compiling and exiting BC.EXE | the BATs will delete all *.obj files and *.sym | | The ZIP contains my fresh compiles of both Russian and English. | | Vladimir, | | Please, check me for errors. | | | ============================================================================ | | 360) Tue, Oct 25, 2005 - 10:20:58 pm | | ray> | Na, I meant find RUSSIAN in my core sources, that's the model for | how to do it best in insight as well. You can copy files too, of course, | but its less elegant and there might be stuff in the code that | can't be handled that way. In my sources, we compile the message file | needed using defines, but the define also handles several other | things that can't be contained in the message file. | | | You can do it that way too but | | | ============================================================================ | | 361) Tue, Oct 25, 2005 - 10:45:58 pm | | glennmcc> | Oh... now I see what you meant. | | Yes... that's definately the way to do it for core.exe | | But IMO, | The copying method is A-OK for insight. ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 362) Tue, Oct 25, 2005 - 10:51:22 pm | | glennmcc> | In the future... we won't need either of those methods. | | As we add more languages, we'll stop compileing messages.c into the EXEs | | We'll have 'external' laguage files and choose which one to use via | the laguage variable in arachne.cfg | | Language EN == use \arachne\laguages\messages.en | Language RU == use \arachne\laguages\messages.ru | Language SW == use \arachne\laguages\messages.sw | Language DE == use \arachne\laguages\messages.de | | | etc... etc... etc.... | | With this method... languages can be added without recompiling. | | ============================================================================ | | 363) Wed, Oct 26, 2005 - 6:50:09 am | URL | | vbm> | re: @# 355: | Gregy, you want said that we if going to size of shootings - begins shoot. ; | by words??? ;-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))) | I'm not cowboy for that... ;-)))))) | | well, here shooting don't hearing. bandites (livings) or lurkings | or went to mountaints auls... so seems here peace, but tourism is dead... | | re: @# 356..361: | Glennnnn, your zip was damaged and I did repaired it... | and... testings sources... fixed error by me, not you... rework these to | Ray's method... result see here: | | http://vbm.nm.ru/files/ins-ml.rar | | try find - "vbm" ;-)))) | | BTW, if someone don't know what's rar - rar is archivator better than zip.. | ;-)))) | | and 362: | Glenn, perhaps you know that I find method that allowing Arachne without | recompiling switch between two encoding of Russian and normal see | internal messages. here you are hint that is possible, but can you | explaining detalis for me, please... | | | ============================================================================ | | 364) Wed, Oct 26, 2005 - 7:46:31 am | | glennmcc> | No problem here with RAR files. | | Arachne displays the contents with no problems at-all. :) | | Arachne v | http://vbm.nm.ru/files/ins-ml.rar Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:4 | ____________________________________________________________________________ | | | UNRAR 2.06 freeware Copyright (c) 1993-98 Eugene Roshal | | Solid archive \ARACHNE\CACHE\30330659.RAR | | Pathname/Comment | Size Packed Ratio Date Time Attr CRC-32 Meth V | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | COMPILE.BAT | 59 136 100% 10-26-05 14:59 .....A 807DDB13 m5a 2 | CFG.H | 298 91 30% 01-22-99 17:56 .....A 71AADAD6 m5a 2 | DEFINE.H | 1316 443 33% 10-25-05 20:54 .....A F304DFAC m5a 2 | DIRPORT.H | 9326 2623 28% 11-02-95 00:00 .....A 2551A12D m5a 2 | DOSFILES.H | 2172 679 31% 06-16-05 21:09 .....A 333072EB m5a 2 | EXTKWORD.H | 1561 225 14% 11-02-95 00:00 .....A 3790441D m5a 2 | MESSAGES.H | 4371 813 18% 10-26-05 15:24 .....A 9FF0931E m5a 2 | SNIPTYPE.H | 638 245 38% 11-02-95 00:00 .....A FB247C83 m5a 2 | STR.H | 1050 307 29% 12-11-00 02:46 .....A 8DAED722 m5a 2 | STRING1.H | 666 174 26% 12-10-99 03:46 .....A 574DC7FF m5a 2 | TIDX.H | 464 111 23% 01-22-99 14:18 .....A 2395A92C m5a 2 | TRUNAME.H | 69 25 36% 12-10-99 03:55 .....A 716A52AD m5a 2 | ATTACH.C | 6210 1826 29% 01-09-05 18:11 .....A CDA602CC m5a 2 | BASE64.C | 2724 796 29% 10-25-05 20:28 .....A 5862D31B m5a 2 | CONVMSG.C | 22425 5920 26% 10-25-05 20:49 .....A FED57D81 m5a 2 | DETIDX.C | 165 33 20% 07-21-00 11:02 .....A 5D84D8C7 m5a 2 | FOLDERS.C | 5040 1385 27% 10-25-05 20:58 .....A BA0C722B m5a 2 | GETICO.C | 3156 799 25% 12-10-99 04:00 .....A E456A305 m5a 2 | HDROUT.C | 15163 2940 19% 10-25-05 21:11 .....A 18014129 m5a 2 | HELP.C | 1205 451 37% 05-14-05 20:26 .....A C6A83436 m5a 2 | IDX.C | 15771 4072 25% 10-26-05 14:25 .....A F7EB91CF m5a 2 | INIFILE.C | 1960 391 19% 05-15-05 17:31 .....A 8F8F5186 m5a 2 | INSIGHT.C | 30337 7131 23% 10-25-05 21:54 .....A D1003097 m5a 2 | MESSAGES.C | 18221 4058 22% 10-26-05 14:39 .....A 3ABF1D76 m5a 2 | PROCMIME.C | 3346 748 22% 05-16-05 13:21 .....A 7FA95513 m5a 2 | SAVEFOLD.C | 278 72 25% 10-02-99 15:32 .....A 70648F46 m5a 2 | STR.C | 1144 315 27% 01-15-00 00:37 .....A 3EC57521 m5a 2 | STRING1.C | 3119 788 25% 11-27-04 02:08 .....A 14F6492F m5a 2 | TRUNAME.C | 2026 807 39% 04-26-97 04:59 .....A B8F25D5D m5a 2 | INSIGHT.DSK | 1010 452 44% 10-26-05 15:25 .....A E87DDB8E m5a 2 | TCEDIT.DST | 5291 1342 25% 10-26-05 15:22 .....A BA85F740 m5a 2 | INSIGHT.PRJ | 9122 2352 25% 10-26-05 15:25 .....A D75C2A3F m5a 2 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 32 169703 42550 25% | | | | ============================================================================ | | 365) Wed, Oct 26, 2005 - 9:00:56 am | URL | | glennmcc> | Got it. | | Made 2 changes. | | 1) | Moved the define from messages.h into 2 separate .PRJ files | (insight.pen and insight.pru) | Choose which to compile with en.bat or ru.bat | | 2) | Commented-out the warning message in folders.c about latin characters becaus | in my opinion it makes the movemail1.dgi screen look too 'ominous' | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/ins-ml.zip | | ============================================================================ | | 366) Wed, Oct 26, 2005 - 9:53:17 am | | glennmcc> | | Volume in drive E is MCCORKLE_03 | Directory of E:\ARACHNE\APM | | CP1251 APM 138362 10-02-03 5:46p | CP895 APM 119474 10-02-03 4:48p | ISO88591 APM 128423 10-02-03 4:52p | ISO88592 APM 118215 10-02-03 4:53p | ISOLAT-1 APM 129067 10-02-03 4:53p | ISOLAT-2 APM 118882 7-08-05 1:14p | KOI8-R APM 139372 10-02-03 5:59p | KOI8-R-2 APM 138161 10-02-03 5:53p | | | ============================================================================ | | 367) Wed, Oct 26, 2005 - 9:53:57 am | | glennmcc> | OK, we're good to go. | | But... which of these font set APMs do I need to install | for use with Russian insight ? | | ============================================================================ | | 368) Wed, Oct 26, 2005 - 10:19:03 am | URL | | glennmcc> | Nevermind.... I found it. | | MSG(cATTF2) "÷ÌÏÖÅÎÉÅ: "; | | KOI8-R APM 139372 10-02-03 5:59p | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/ins-ml.gif | | ============================================================================ | | 369) Wed, Oct 26, 2005 - 1:05:14 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Re 362: External storage of messages is obviously desirable for | many reasons but beware, if they were to be called from an external file | there could be performance penalties due to the overhead of disk | acess (even with a buffered disk) as well as the extra code needed. | Still ... :-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 370) Wed, Oct 26, 2005 - 1:17:36 pm | | glennmcc> | Yes..... still ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 371) Wed, Oct 26, 2005 - 5:58:58 pm | | gregy> | yes...still...Ray, I can see Glenn taking that caveat under advisement.. | ...and..so do I...but....it is worth it, within reason, to maybe give | up a little performance for the added functionality/extensibleness of | using the externals....I've said that for years.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 372) Wed, Oct 26, 2005 - 6:02:37 pm | | gregy> | Vladimir....no, no, NOOO...!!!...I mis-communicated, again....I do | NOT suggest you go "stick your nose" into that deadly business...YOU | KEEP YOURSELF SAFE...!!!..... | ... | What I think I meant to say, was, "If jihadzis came out here to my own | state (Montana), they would be (1) immediately noticed, and (2) dealt | with by the citizens. Our police would probably spot them and deal with | them very quickly...but..if not....they would be swiftly dealt with by | we ordinary citizens....we do NOT depend upon our police to do that in | any emergency..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 373) Wed, Oct 26, 2005 - 7:20:05 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Of *course* we've gotta try it ... and I just finished a practice | run, I'm now an XSWAPer :-))) I XSWAPed my keywords and now have | a cool 262,000 of free mem. Now, on to the messages ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 374) Wed, Oct 26, 2005 - 10:02:44 pm | | glennmcc> | If we store the messages externally and place them in memory at 'start-up' | (the same way that arachne.cfg and mime.cfg are currently being done) | | There would be no loss in performance. | | We grab the needed file from disk only once at start-up and store it in | memory for each time needed during this session. | | The file on disk would never get accessed after start-up. | | | ============================================================================ | | 375) Wed, Oct 26, 2005 - 10:25:05 pm | | ray> | Right, that's just what I've now done with my keywords. As I understand | it, the XSWAP system would be a bit slower than direct memory, but | for most of the messages it wouldn't make a bean of difference. Possible | exceptions are messages like those used during downloading -- we | don't want to waste time there. And here's a possible problem -- | if a message string is stored in XSWAP with it be 'formatable'? | We could obvioulsy sore simple strings but so many are like: | | "\n\nDownloading %ld%c at ...." | | Will it be possible to store these and use them as intended? | I'll experiment with it tomorrow unless you already know. | | | ============================================================================ | | 376) Thu, Oct 27, 2005 - 1:17:08 am | | gregy> | ahhhhh....I see what you guys are doing...sounds "delightfull"... | ... | Only question I have is, "How much can we do, before we overload the | minimal box (with perhaps only 8Mbyte-16Mbyte RAM)..???" | | | ============================================================================ | | 377) Thu, Oct 27, 2005 - 4:20:58 am | | vbm> | re 365: | | spasibo, Glennnn. | but, you vainly try comment-out warn about latin's - because if Arachne usin | koi8-r & cp-1251, but DOS using cp-866. and if type in Arachne name a | folder to Russian, then will a problems with rename & delete it... | I tested it... | | | re 372: | | Gregy, don't worry, I haven't a gun for that... ;-)))) | | Ray, will kind, explain me now correct enabling tracing functrace to file... | I did it but seems not correct - see garbage in the file functrac.log.. | I tried insert they here, but their cutting.... | as I understand in the file must be a names functions, right? | | ============================================================================ | | 378) Thu, Oct 27, 2005 - 2:14:02 pm | | ray> | Gregy, re: 376: | | Look at your 'used xSwap' number, I'm at 485KB with keywords | in there, so it's not a problem, even with messages in there it's | gona be less than 1MB. | | Vladimir, | | I never got the 'functrac.log' working, it was just an idea but it | should be doable. Note that that code is meant to be reworked every | time you use it for each seperate problem. Try using functrace | just as I left it, to get used to it, then you can try logging | the results to a file. Let me know when you get something working, | then we can try together to log to the file. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 379) Thu, Oct 27, 2005 - 4:53:24 pm | | glennmcc> | Vladimir, | | Do you feel that we need the warning in both the English and Russian version | | Or would it be OK to compile it only in the Russian version ? | | Like so....... | |
"); | #ifdef RUSSIAN | puts(cWAR1); | #endif | puts(cNEWFOL); | | ============================================================================ | | 380) Thu, Oct 27, 2005 - 5:08:04 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/warn.gif | | ============================================================================ | | 381) Thu, Oct 27, 2005 - 5:08:50 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/no-warn1.gif | | Uh oh.... we have an 'r' missing in the title. | | | ============================================================================ | | 382) Thu, Oct 27, 2005 - 5:09:25 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/no-warn2.gif | | Now we got our 'r' back. :) | | ============================================================================ | | 383) Thu, Oct 27, 2005 - 8:21:48 pm | | ray> | Looks like my messages total about 3900 bytes in total, I thought it | would be more. | | | ============================================================================ | | 384) Thu, Oct 27, 2005 - 9:15:56 pm | | glennmcc> | Naw... not too big. | | Heck, the whole darned file (messages.h) is only 9kb | | 3900 bytes for the messages themselves sounds about right. | | BRB | | | ============================================================================ | | 385) Thu, Oct 27, 2005 - 9:21:26 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep... I get about 4800 bytes with some more trimming still possible. | | ============================================================================ | | 386) Thu, Oct 27, 2005 - 9:25:15 pm | | glennmcc> | Remove the CR/LF combos and I now have just over 4400 bytes. | | ============================================================================ | | 387) Thu, Oct 27, 2005 - 9:56:43 pm | | ray> | Sounds about right. Nuts, who would have guessed that my blasted | keywords would be near half the size of all the messages? Anyway, | the real obstacle is if we can stuff them into xswap and still | have them recognized by sprintf() as formated strings. I'm guessing | no. Something like: | | int number = 9; | sprintf(IEgetline(&File, File->y), number); | | Were the stored line is "\nThe number is %d" | | Will print out: "\n The number is %d" | | But I could be wrong, maybe the compiler is smarter than I think. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 388) Fri, Oct 28, 2005 - 3:38:48 am | | Eric> | Did anyone else try to go to the Kingston trio lyrics link | displayed on the Arachne list? I had spyware/switch to another | page problems with W$doze/IE...anyone else? Arachne couldn't | work....all JS! <:-( | | ============================================================================ | | 389) Fri, Oct 28, 2005 - 7:09:12 am | | vbm> | re 378: | Ray, spasiiiibo, I'd trying.... ;-))) | if I try compile as you recommended - I have next: | ======================================================================= | Warning DEBUG.C 38: Unreachable code | Warning DEBUG.C 58: Parameter 'file' is never used | Warning DEBUG.C 58: Parameter 'line' is never used | Compiling IE_FCE.C: | ======================================================================= | | if try compile with uncomment file log (as is) - have next: | ======================================================================= | Warning DEBUG.C 38: Unreachable code | Error DEBUG.C 47: Declaration is not allowed here | Error DEBUG.C 48: Declaration is not allowed here | Warning DEBUG.C 58: Parameter 'file' is never used | Warning DEBUG.C 58: Parameter 'line' is never used | ======================================================================= | so, what wrong??? ;-))))))))))) | | re 379: | Glenn, seems you are right that warn1 actually need for non latins languages | and no need for English, Canadian, USA, etc... ;-))))))))) | but if somebody using English Arachne with Russian fonts? what happening | then? ;-)))) | | BTW, Glenn, can you comment-out cREATT in the mess*.* files since it | don't using, so why it sit in memory... ;-))))) | | ============================================================================ | | 390) Fri, Oct 28, 2005 - 1:13:34 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Probably nothing is wrong there. In that function I have | stuff that is only used sometimes, so if it is not used all the time, | the compiler gives a warning, its' ok. As to the error, just move | any variable decarations up to the top of the function and it should | be ok: | | char a; | a = 2; | char b: | | ... oppps, this gives an error, but: | | char a; | char b; | char a = 2; | | is ok. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 391) Fri, Oct 28, 2005 - 5:18:09 pm | | glennmcc> | Check it out dudes.... | | I am here in 100% pure DOS running Arachne | on a 1.5megabit/sec DSL connection. | :)) | | ============================================================================ | | 392) Fri, Oct 28, 2005 - 5:24:24 pm | | ray> | EEEEEHAAAAAAA .... | | That's gota smoke :-) | | Arachne in the 21st century :-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 393) Fri, Oct 28, 2005 - 7:57:08 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | You betcha it 'smokes' :) | | Check out my last few posts on AQCCC ;-) | | Oh yeah, | | And earlier this evening I was running hte EZ-NOS server on this baby too. | | | ============================================================================ | | 394) Sat, Oct 29, 2005 - 2:30:00 am | | vbm> | Ray, spasibo, I got debug.c... but still no have a freezeupedd | messages... :-) | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 395) Sat, Oct 29, 2005 - 8:39:23 am | | ray> | Vladimir | | Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean, please say more. | | | ============================================================================ | | 396) Sat, Oct 29, 2005 - 1:25:30 pm | | ray> | BTW, spasibo for those little fixes in your last code, I think you are | right about cDETECT. But I think it is best to leave the "B" in | your function because just one is needed, why add them everywhere in | the messages when one can do it for all? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 397) Sun, Oct 30, 2005 - 5:34:52 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Arachne v1.87 is ready to go. | | ============================================================================ | | 398) Sun, Oct 30, 2005 - 8:54:56 pm | | gregy> | Got the 187 new distro....and will begin furiously testing this coming | week..... | ... | I haven't gotten any coollist posts for over a week...I assume it has | now gone down permanently....??? | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 399) Sun, Oct 30, 2005 - 9:48:51 pm | | RAY> | GOD KNOWS, I'M STUCK IN UPPER CASE :( | | | | ============================================================================ | | 400) Sun, Oct 30, 2005 - 10:04:50 pm | | RAY> | Ah, that's better :-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 401) Mon, Oct 31, 2005 - 3:31:29 am | | vbm> | re 395, 396: | since I have a bug with looping after missing freezeuped messages by esc, | so for take that bug for asss ;-) I need have a freezeuped messages, | but at last week I didn't have that shit... | | Ray, are you know about "komsomol"? ;-) a some members that organization | created troubles for next successfully surmount these... :-)))) | I'm too can't rationale explaining why better using a many "B" in mess*.* | instead two in the function...;-)))) | to began I seemed that it will easy for translate, but now... ;-)) | | ============================================================================ | | 402) Mon, Oct 31, 2005 - 3:56:36 pm | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Ah, so you are having trouble with email. Hey the way I changed ESC | is just experimental, go into popget.c and change it back. | | This'komsomol' never heard of it, I will Google :-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 403) Mon, Oct 31, 2005 - 4:08:09 pm | | ray> | Ah, communist youth league, did you ever belong to it? | | | ============================================================================ | | 404) Tue, Nov 01, 2005 - 3:38:51 am | | vbm> | ree 402: | spasibo, I'll look... | | re 403: | only at end before 1991... it was "voluntarily" - if you not was member, yo | might haven't a good work... ;-)))) | | | Glennnnnn, again about warn1, can it do that it display depend from fonts | or from value of keywords as "Accept-charset" or "mycharset"? | | ============================================================================ | | 405) Tue, Nov 01, 2005 - 4:32:30 am | | Eric> | Glennmcc, I have had some strange things happen when upgrading | from 1.85 to 1.87. Here's what I did: | 1. Exited 1.85 with ALT-X - I did not hang-up modem with ALT-H | 2. Ran from cmnd line a187gpll.exe - it installed over 1.85 but did not | call up install wizard as with new install. | 3. I restarted Arachne with arachne -r | 4. Arachne started up and called up Video Setup page. I left default | and clicked on "try video setup". | 5. I got an error message/press enter to continue. | 6. Pressed enter and got fatal error page. | 7. I pressed H and got my Hotlist - clicked on link for this page. | 8. I got "Not connected page" - I pressed ALT-D | 9. My modem did not dial BUT Arachne came back on line...TCP/IP green in | lower right corner....this page loaded. | 10. I am writing this post! | 11. I checked my memory...it is screwed up with a loss of conventional | memory....but Arachne is still working...A1.87 | 12. Also downloaded e-mail ok. | | | ============================================================================ | | 406) Tue, Nov 01, 2005 - 4:45:20 am | | Eric> | Glennmcc, RE: #405 My memory may not be so screwed up..... | The change in conven. mem. seems to be due to the loading | of command.com and lsppp. Strange.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 407) Tue, Nov 01, 2005 - 4:57:00 am | | Eric> | Glennmcc, Just thought of another glich...with Arachne 1.85 installed | and over 4MB free on my Ramdrive, the A1.87 install refused to upgrade | untill I freed up over 5MB on the Ramdrive. This should not be....for | a fresh install 5MB is required but not to upgrade! | | ============================================================================ | | 408) Tue, Nov 01, 2005 - 5:01:57 am | | Eric> | Glenn, Something else....the upgrade moved my Hotlist.htm to | the BACKUP directory....why is this necessary? | | | ============================================================================ | | 409) Tue, Nov 01, 2005 - 7:41:30 am | | gregy> | Glennmcc....Re: new187distro... | ... | 1. Normal install on my RAMdisk, then backeddown to my F:\AR\ directory | 2. Install took about 15 minutes, not counting the "dinking" with the | ARACHNE.CFG to slightly personalize it (i.e. CACHE PATH, HOMEPAGE, etc) | 3. Noticed the change to standard for XMS (i.e. it didn't go into that | "Select" screen, etc) | 4. Dialed up (EPPPD standard, for me) and connected fine, first time | out of the chute.... | 5. Noticed the change for "R" and "ESC" functions....where are the | variables in the .CFG so I can have "R" or "ESC" both stop a download, | and "ESC" collapse Arachne to DOS (had to click on the "X" up by the | version NameNumber)...I want it back to "STANDARD"....I know..some have | requested these changes...but...I want it standard. | .... | Other than that...haven't had time to fully customize it, yet...but it | seems to surf okay, and doesn't crash.. | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 410) Tue, Nov 01, 2005 - 3:14:34 pm | | ray> | Hey Vladimir, | | No kidding, I woke up at 3:00 am last night saying to myself: | "Vladimir was right about the 'B' inside the messages!" To hell with | the extra six bytes :-) it's easiest to translate the way you did | it, so that's the way I have made it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 411) Wed, Nov 02, 2005 - 5:42:48 am | | vbm> | good think, Ray! :-)))) but 3:00am? hmmmm, what's the time was here - mosco | time zone? how many time zones between us, seems about 12 or not? | if so - here was 15:00... ;-))))) | and, Ray, may be best in keywords.h near with keywwords under comment | giving possibilites values, I now reworking ah files to understanding | your keywords... ;-)) | | somebody can adapted cfgwiz.exe to freedos? cfgwiz can't work if fdconfig.sy | not copied to config.sys... | | and last, I'm fall down by laugh when see that Arachne run with arachne.cfg | size which is zero... ;-)))) | | | ============================================================================ | | 412) Wed, Nov 02, 2005 - 7:20:55 am | | ray> | Vladimir, | | Why add comments to sources and slow down compile, when all | options are discussed in keywords.txt? | | Looking forward to updated .ah :-) | | No arachne.cfg at all? Hmmmm, must try that ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 413) Wed, Nov 02, 2005 - 9:59:31 am | | glennmcc> | Son-of-gun........... | | She runs fine by using all 'defaults' when arachne.cfg==zero-byte-file | | Hmmmm, | | Is that a bug, or is that a feature ???? | | BBL | | ============================================================================ | | 414) Wed, Nov 02, 2005 - 9:18:05 pm | | ray> | Sounds like a feature to me :-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 415) Wed, Nov 02, 2005 - 10:06:12 pm | | glennmcc> | Me too. | | And a darned good one at that. :)) | | ============================================================================ | | 416) Wed, Nov 02, 2005 - 10:31:59 pm | | Eric> | Glennmcc, No comments on #s 405-408? | | Procedure: | 1. ALT-E ... modem is still connected to internet. | 2. Changed arachne.cfg to arachne.cfx | 3. "Exit" on command line - | 4. Arachne comes up in different colors, but lower right corner, "offline" | 5. Click on refresh for this board and get error/not connected page AND | Arachne is closed and I got the command line. | 6. Typed Arachne -r on cmnd line... | 7. Arachne reloads | 8. ALT-E, change arachne.cfx to arachne.cfg then "exit"/ | 9. Arachne returns but still off-line. | 10. ALT-D...I get TCP/IP in lower right corner and my modem never dialed. | 11. Arachne is functioning normally! | | ============================================================================ | | 417) Wed, Nov 02, 2005 - 10:33:43 pm | | Eric> | Glennmcc, #416 above is with a187gpll. | | | ============================================================================ | | 418) Wed, Nov 02, 2005 - 10:39:28 pm | | Eric> | Glennmcc, Ray, Wouldn't it be better if when arachne.cfg | is missing that Arachne should start and display a message | that ARACHNE.CFG doesn't exist? | | ============================================================================ | | 419) Wed, Nov 02, 2005 - 10:42:06 pm | | glennmcc> | You needs to hang up before doing an install. | | That's what was causimng those problem vis a vi 405 | | As for 5mb free space. | That's what she needs as a 'safety margin'. | | As for hotlist.htm | | An 'empty' hotlist is in the package. | | If we did not send your existing one to the backup dir.. it would be | lost forever because the empty one would overwrite the ful one. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 420) Wed, Nov 02, 2005 - 10:44:29 pm | | glennmcc> | Vladimir, | | re:"... about warn1, can it do that it display depend from fonts | or from value of keywords as "Accept-charset" or "mycharset"?" | | Yes, that's doable. | | I'll look into it and see if we can have that ready for the next release. | | | ============================================================================ | | 421) Thu, Nov 03, 2005 - 12:45:37 am | | Eric> | Glennmcc, I just checked the README.TXT file and I can find | no mention of the required HDD/Ramdrive space required for | either initial installation or for an upgrade installation. | | ============================================================================ | | 422) Thu, Nov 03, 2005 - 2:00:27 am | | gregy> | Glennmcc....you never answered my question: | ... | What's the .CFG variable I need to set to reset the "ESC" and "R" keys | to their standard behaviour....???? | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 423) Thu, Nov 03, 2005 - 3:03:25 am | | Eric> | Glennmcc, One point is I didn't need to hangup modem | before upgrading! I am still using the same install on | this my ramdrive. I have had NO problems. It even gets | my mail with no aborts. In fact, it was probably the | easiest upgrade I've ever done. It just seems that for | the sake of ease, it seems that the HOTLIST.HTM could be | left undisturbed with an upgrade or maybe copied back over | the blank hotlist. | Also, for minimal computers, 5 MB of free diskspace | seems like a large amount of memory to require for an upgrade. | | | ============================================================================ | | 424) Thu, Nov 03, 2005 - 3:12:51 am | | Eric> | Glennmcc, It doesn't make sense to me that the modem should have | any effect that would cause the video setup page to load. My video | was never affected in any way...it never changed...I never got the | "black screen of death"...it's still working fine. I have had no | lockups since the upgrade...no resets...everything works great! | | | ============================================================================ | | 425) Thu, Nov 03, 2005 - 3:22:57 am | | Eric> | Glennmcc, please note, when LR corner indicated offline condition, | pressing ALT-D put Arachne back on line without disturbing the | connection to the ISP and without redialing. On this basis, it | would seem that a false disconnect condition could be corrected | without a redial which would save some users some money. I | experience frequently a false disconnect condition which I always | had to correct with a hangup and redial. | | ============================================================================ | | 426) Thu, Nov 03, 2005 - 7:51:24 am | | vbm> | re 412: | Ray, spasibo, of course, I know keyword.txt, but I don't see your keywords | in that file... BTW, have you get my email with logs & bat? and, please, | send correct popget.c, I try correcting it, but loop is deeppp... ;-)))) | | re 420: | Good, Glennnnnnnn, good that it's doable!!! ;-))))))))) | | and is doable using somelike this form: | | | | | | for change color text or/and paper? this is would be good instead 15 radiobu | I had tryed it, but this don't works... | | re 418: | and if it's exist but size is 0 | I see that when play with arachne.bat for Russian ver and note that | if cfg no exist - it can restore simple way, but if size it is 0 - it | cannot restore.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 427) Thu, Nov 03, 2005 - 7:57:25 am | | vbm> | this my arachme.bat | | @echo off > NUL | break=off > NUL | | set ARACHNETEMP=%TEMP%\ | if (%ARACHNETEMP%)==() goto noarachnetemp | | :: this line need for fisst run after install... | if (%1) == (-z) goto setup | | if (%1) == (-u) goto termin | if not (%1) == () goto continue | | if not exist core.exe goto noexe | :: | testing for existing... | if not exist arachne.cfg goto setup | :: | if not exist arachne.pck goto setup | :: if not exist arachne.pck arachne -s | | :: Comment this for faster startup: | :: if exist config.dat del config.dat > NUL | | :: 050820: in popget.c log is now appended not truncated to allow whole | :: email session to show in one log, so must delete at start of new session. | if exist pop3.log copy pop3.log pop3.bak > NUL | if exist pop3.log del pop3.log > NUL | | if exist lock arachne.bat system\gui\err_lock.ah | if exist ppp.log arachne.bat -r | | echo Don't worry, this is just Arachne lock file... > lock | | :continue | | core.exe %1 %2 | | echo. | if errorlevel 139 goto userbreak | if errorlevel 138 goto mallocerr | if errorlevel 137 goto noconnection | if errorlevel 136 goto looptest | if errorlevel 135 goto ikonerror | if errorlevel 134 goto badcookiesfile | if errorlevel 133 goto noarachnetemp | if errorlevel 132 goto outofrange | if errorlevel 131 goto stringtable | if errorlevel 130 goto invalid | if errorlevel 129 arachne.bat system\gui\nonfatal.ah | if errorlevel 64 goto execute | if errorlevel 32 goto end | if errorlevel 16 goto graphics | if errorlevel 2 goto abort | | :termin | :: This stuff is not done if hangup is performed from within arachne. | termin.com 0x60 | copy ppp.log ppp.bak > NUL | del ppp.log > NUL | goto quit | | :graphics | echo. | echo Unable to initialize video mode - trying again ... | pause | rem setup.bat | core -d | rem if errorlevel 32 goto end | goto continue | | :execute | :: For diagnostics: This saves to main directory, not to ARACHNETEMP as befo | if exist roura.log echo. >> roura.log | if not exist roura.log echo. > roura.log | copy roura.log + %ARACHNETEMP%$roura$.bat roura.log > NUL | | if exist %ARACHNETEMP%$roura$.bat %ARACHNETEMP%$roura$.bat | goto roura | | rem this need for normal setup after FIRST install... | ::also this help restore only DELETED arachne.cfg & arachne.pck | :setup | | if exist ARACHNE.PCK goto cfg | | core -s | testing for zero size | fc /b arachne.cfg nul>nul | if errorlevel 1 goto continue | if errorlevel 0 goto cfg | | if not (%1) == (-z) goto continue | | :cfg | call arachne.bat file:setup_os.dgi | | if not (%1) == (-z) goto continue | goto end | | ::========================================================================= | ::ERROR MESSAGES: | | :userbreak | echo USER BREAK. Press any key to restart Arachne ... | pause > NUL | :: Two pauses needed under 4dos, one is enough under command.com, thanks Gle | pause > NUL | if exist ppp.log core -r | core -c | rem if exist ppp.log arachne -r | rem arachne -c | goto end | | :mallocerr | echo There has been a memory allocation error, please run the debugging core | goto end | | :noconnection | echo Sorry, but you have no 'Connection' set in ARACHNE.CFG! | goto end | | :noexe | echo CORE.EXE is missing. | goto end | | :looptest | echo Arachne got stuck in a blasted loop, sorry about that. | goto end | | :ikonerror | echo Error processing ikon file. Can't draw user interface! | goto end | | :badcookiesfile | echo Error: The 'cookies.lst' file is either broken or incompatible. | goto end | | :noarachnetemp | echo Your ARACHNETEMP environment variable: %ARACHNETEMP% | echo ... is not set or is in some way invalid! | echo. | echo Arachne requires a directory for its temporary files which should NOT | echo be the same as the directory in which the Arachne files are found. | echo Examples of possible temp directories for Arachne are: | echo. | echo set ARACHNETEMP=%TEMP% (your temp directory). | echo set ARACHNETEMP=X:\ARACHNE.TMP\ (some other special directory). | echo set ARACHNETEMP=C:\APPS\ARACHNE\TEMP\ (a subdir of the main Arachne dir | echo. | echo (Hint: It is usual to set Arachne's temp directory to a ramdisk.) | echo. | echo Please edit ARACHNE.BAT, look for the line "set ARACHNETEMP=", and | echo edit it as explained above to set a temp directory for Arachne. | echo ... And remember, like all Arachne path statements, it must end in '\'. | echo. | goto end | | :outofrange | mode co80 | echo A numeric configuration value is out of range! | echo Please consult KEYWORDS.TXT, and correct your ARACHNE.CFG. | goto end | | :stringtable | echo STRING TABLE OVERFLOW! | goto end | | :invalid | echo INVALID PATH TO CORE.EXE!! | goto end | | :abort | echo Aborting setup... | set ASETUP= | set ASWITCH= | goto end | | :roura | echo Arachne had a problem running $roura$.bat. | echo This could be due to some problem within $roura$.bat, or some | echo problem with the ARACHNETEMP directory. | goto end | | ::========================================================================== | | :end | | if exist %ARACHNETEMP%*._$b del %ARACHNETEMP%*._$b > NUL | if exist lock del lock > NUL | if exist ppp.log echo Type 'arachne -u' to terminate SLIP/PPP connection. | break on > NUL | echo. | | :quit | | | | ============================================================================ | | 428) Thu, Nov 03, 2005 - 5:52:31 pm | | ray> | As you all can see, for the present my core uses a humongous .bat, | but soon we'll be moving all the error messages into another file :-) | | Vladimir, | | I have your email and will look, but today I was working on new | keys for the internal editor (optional of course!) | | | ALTB: // begin block | ALTE: // end block | ALTD: // delete block (clipboard not overwritten) | ALTX: // cut to clipboard | ALTP: // paste from clipboard | ALTC: // copy to clipboard | ALTO: // cOpy ?? == ^C + ^V | ALTM: // move block | ALTH: // hide block | | no more Ctrl+K baloney :-) | | Now, if all these work ok, next I will add Shift+Del, Shift+Ins and | Ctrl+Ins ... so that Bill will not be angry with me :-))) | | | ============================================================================ | | 429) Thu, Nov 03, 2005 - 5:55:23 pm | | ray> | Some brave soul want to see if they can break it? BTW, along with | the above, I shortened the code by about 400 bytes so there could be | trouble. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 430) Thu, Nov 03, 2005 - 6:16:10 pm | | Eric > | Ray, What do you mean by "ctrl-k boloney". I like "ctrl-K,ctrl-?" | much better that "Bill's Baloney". | ctrl-k,b...mark beginning | ctrl-k,k...mark end | ctrl-k,o...send block to tmp file | ctrl-k,i...insert block from tmp file | ctrl-k,y...delete block | ctrl-k,v...move block | ctrl-k,c...copy block | | It's because of these easy to use commands that I prefer to use my | external editor instead of "Bill's Baloney" type editors. I hate | chasing after mice...I cut off there tails with a carving knife | every chance I get! | | ============================================================================ | | 431) Thu, Nov 03, 2005 - 7:06:25 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | Ctrl+K+? is most cetrtainly not bologna. | | These are the same key combos as many other editors. | | OpenDos/Dr-Dos edit.com | Both the DOS and the Linux versions of MEL | Qedit (I think) | | And many others that I can't think of right off-hand all use the exact | same key combos all-the-way around. | | That is exactly why Michael chose these key combos.... because many | users of many other editors will not need to learn a new set of commands | the ones they have been using for years will also work in Arachne. | | | ============================================================================ | | 432) Thu, Nov 03, 2005 - 9:10:52 pm | | ray> | Hmmmm, I could be convinced. In my limited experience Arachne is the | only editor that uses those excepting Wordstar. Anyway, it's obviously | optional, if ^KK makes more sence to you for 'block end' than AltB, | that's fine with me, but I find the latter easier and faster. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 433) Thu, Nov 03, 2005 - 9:13:01 pm | | ray> | Oppps, I meant 'AltE' == block end. | | | ============================================================================ | | 434) Fri, Nov 04, 2005 - 1:43:56 am | | Eric> | Ray, It's not that it makes more sense to use ctrl-k-k for block end | necessarily, it's more that your 20yrs. too late! I'm sure you | know that the first "k" indicates a block command and the second letter | indicates what to do to the block. I think ctrl-k-k was used as end | of block command because it's easier to type quickly than ctrl-k-e. | | | ============================================================================ | | 435) Fri, Nov 04, 2005 - 2:36:48 am | | Eric> | Ray, The editor I use by preference for text is sold by MIX SOFTWARE | out of Richardson, Texas. It uses WORDSTAR keyboard combinations as it | is supplied. However, it uses a binary setup file that can assign any | key combinations that the user wants. It also operates from a command | line where commands can be entered instead of by key combinations. Also | commands cam be combined in macros and assigned to key combinations. | Thus, the editor can be setup to provide very specific commands for | specific situations. It also allows you to load as many command.com | shells as your system has memory for. | | | ============================================================================ | | 436) Fri, Nov 04, 2005 - 3:40:53 am | | Eric> | Shelling out of Arachne I was just able to load 5 instances of my | editor...the last one in the sixth command.com shell and it allowed me | to load a file, "memt", derived from the command "mem /c > memt". | I then unloaded 5 shells and returned to arachne and this page to | write this post. | | ============================================================================ | | 437) Fri, Nov 04, 2005 - 5:04:41 am | | vbm> | Ray, seems 6a:1a has no a loop with an email. glad heard that key whichs | I waiting at leas will do... | | ============================================================================ | | 438) Fri, Nov 04, 2005 - 7:21:55 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Yeah, I know something of the history of those keys. There's always | the tension between progress and compatbility eh? Sometimes progress | wins (Linux) and sometimes compatablilty wins (the old QWERTY keyboard | vs. the vastly better Dvorak). I hear you vis. the setup | choices for keyboards and already have the framework in place for | both that and a macro language, the former will happen soon, the | latter eventualy. However, there is one problem: double letter commands | such as the ^K? combinations require a quite different code structure | than single letter commands, so to implement an Arachne-wide | keyboard assignment feature would require the dropping of the six | ^K?'s, although of course the user could simply opt out of that | feature altogether. | | VBM, | | I think build 1a had the normal use for ESC, I will check this weekend | and get something back to you. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 439) Fri, Nov 04, 2005 - 8:08:57 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Re: #438...It's not just a matter of compatiblity. | Those key combinations were picked using guidlines including | freqency of use, ease of use on a qwerty keyboard, etc., not | just because they used the first letter of the command they | applied to. My editor manual elucidates on some of the reasons | for picking many of the "compatible" key combinations but I'll | not reiterate them here. There is nothing wrong with programing | your own personal key combinations which work best for you but for | for someone familiar with the "more commonly used" combinations, they | will find an editor which uses them easier to use. I work daily on | three different keyboards with different layouts and it's not mind boggling, | were all the same then fewer mistakes would be | made and some procedures would be accomplished faster. The same goes | for the 3 or 4 different editors I find myself using on a regular basis. | | ============================================================================ | | 440) Fri, Nov 04, 2005 - 8:19:03 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Just note the too long line on my last post. I have no idea why | that occurred except that this board's word processing works differently | than any other word processor I use so that it takes me much longer to | write these posts and avoid errors than if I were using my preferred | editor. I DID NOT write that line the way it now appears! | | ============================================================================ | | 441) Sat, Nov 05, 2005 - 6:05:58 am | | gregy> | Ray...you can set up any key combos you want...but...I will NOT, EVER... | be using your product, UNLESS your product conforms to the STANDARD, | COMMON, editor key layout for its defaults....STRICTLY optional...none | of this "Well it's optional, you can change back to the standard, just | by editing or changing OPTION page settings, if you really want to." | ... | Eric and Glenn have laid out the reasons why the internal editor is the | way it is....(I also use the MIX split-screen editor, occasionally)... | ALL of my editors have the same WordStar-like (but comes from even | before that...from the Mainframe and Unix world...in, fact...it comes | from EVERYWHERE...).... | ... | You need to do some study about it....before you even think of proposing | permanent changes in the Arachne Internal Editor... | ... | AND...BTW....NOBODY has answered my TWO questions: | 1. Is coollist now defunct...??????....finally....??? | 2. What is the ARACHNE.CFG variable to change to return the "R" and | "ESC" keys to their STANDARD performance....?????? | ... | This distro1.87 doesn't work for twocents in it's issued configuration.. | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 442) Sat, Nov 05, 2005 - 8:15:41 am | | ray> | Eric, | | I saw no problem with any line in you post :-/ | | Gregy, | | I thought I made it clear that alternate keybords would be optional. | If I didn't, please note: | | >>My keyboard tinterings are of course optional.<< | | It would be rather arogant to try to force something like that on | someone who doesn't like it, no? It would also be stupid because | they are unlikely to submit to such arm twisting. I am not a control | junkie. However, as I mentioned to Eric, there is a bit more at stake | here than just user preference since my tentative macro language | will require single key hotkeys to work -- but that's optional too :-) | | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 443) Sat, Nov 05, 2005 - 8:33:28 am | | gregy> | ahhh...well, then....my misunderstanding.........mea culpa... | ... | It's a relief to just be able to forget about that, then..... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 444) Sat, Nov 05, 2005 - 9:11:32 am | | Eric> | Ray, Re: #439 Your right...I don't see any too long lines in | my post #439 now either. Strange! I typed that message using | my M$ft computer, using IE, and when I first sent it one line | of the post was longer than the page is wide, but when I refreshed | the page it displayed differently. On this Arachne computer it | appears as I intended. However, the end of line and line wrap | on this board behaves strangely IMO. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 445) Sat, Nov 05, 2005 - 10:42:55 am | | ray> | Gregy, all, | | Hey, Andrej is working on the NO CARRIER thing and I think he has | it figured out :-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 446) Sat, Nov 05, 2005 - 3:06:00 pm | | glennmcc> | Gregy, | | 1. Is coollist now defunct...??????....finally....??? | | What's happeing to my attempted post is that they bounce back at me | with the error message "Write error or disk full". | | 2. What is the ARACHNE.CFG variable to change to return the "R" and | "ESC" keys to their STANDARD performance....?????? | | What do you define as 'standard' ? | | There are 3 options on the 'Options/Prefs & Perf.' setup screen | | _ exits _ goes back _ ignored | | All of the included ACF files are in the v1.87 package are set to 'ignore'. | | Volume in drive E is MCCORKLE_03 | Directory of E:\ARACHNE\SFX\ARACHNE | | 386PC ACF 4575 8-06-05 10:42p | 486PC ACF 4628 8-06-05 10:42p | BBSPPP ACF 4609 8-06-05 10:43p | FASTPC ACF 4511 8-06-05 10:43p | LAN ACF 4094 8-06-05 10:42p | PPPVOLNY ACF 4578 8-06-05 10:43p | SLIP ACF 4563 8-06-05 10:43p | SLOWPC ACF 4651 8-06-05 10:42p | 8 File(s) 14589952 bytes free | | | ---------- e:386pc.acf | ESC Ignore | | ---------- e:486pc.acf | ESC Ignore | | ---------- e:bbsppp.acf | ESC Ignore | | ---------- e:fastpc.acf | ESC Ignore | | ---------- e:lan.acf | ESC Ignore | | ---------- e:pppvolny.acf | ESC Ignore | | ---------- e:slip.acf | ESC Ignore | | ---------- e:slowpc.acf | ESC Ignore | | If you don't like it that way.... change it to yiour choice of either | Exits or goes back | | To each their own. | | That's why Michael made it so easy to change. | | ============================================================================ | | 447) Sat, Nov 05, 2005 - 3:10:50 pm | | glennmcc> | BTW, | | You can go right ahead an continue using your arachne.cfg from previous | versions if you so choose. | | Just copy it from the backup dir over into the main dir | | All of your existing settings will still work just fine | with the new verion. | | And then at your liesure, go on down through all of the setup screens | to choose your prefered settings on any of the new options that have | been added in the new version. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 448) Sat, Nov 05, 2005 - 3:14:57 pm | | glennmcc> | I just now did a fresh install over-top-of my existing install. | | Here's what's in the backup dir....... | | | Volume in drive L is MS-RAMDRIVE | Directory of L:\ARACHNE\BACKUP | | . 11-05-05 5:11p | .. 11-05-05 5:11p | ARACHNE CFG 5436 11-02-05 6:49p | LANTCP CFG 5933 12-24-98 1:00a | LSPPP CFG 108 10-20-05 8:59p | MIME CFG 17708 11-03-05 9:40p | PPPDRCFW CFG 144 4-29-05 8:17p | PPPTCP CFG 825 10-20-05 1:51a | SECURITY CFG 527 6-17-05 2:23p | TOOLBAR CFG 9645 7-06-04 7:16p | WATTCP CFG 215 7-08-98 3:07a | WWWMAN CFG 1573 1-24-05 10:17p | PPPDRC CFG 118 6-15-05 12:14p | QUICKPAD TXT 574 11-05-05 4:59p | HOTLIST HTM 1247 12-19-04 9:47p | ! 0 7-13-02 2:42p | 16 File(s) 96354304 bytes free | | | ============================================================================ | | 449) Sat, Nov 05, 2005 - 3:19:01 pm | | glennmcc> | For the next release, I am thinking of also doing a backup of....... | | *.acf | *.asf | *.htm | *.htp | | Also all of the *.ah and *.ook and *.eek files | | That way a user can do a new install right over the existing one | and all files that they might have customized will be backed-up. | | Can anyone think of any other files that we should include in the backup pro | | | | ============================================================================ | | 450) Sat, Nov 05, 2005 - 5:04:21 pm | | Eric> | Glennmcc, Why do you have a "right arrow" (ie. H1A) at the end of your | SECURITY.CFG in the 1.87 distribution. It stops my MIX editor from | loading the complete comparison file I created with: | fc d:\arachne\backup\*.* c:\arachne\*.* > cmpback.tmp | | | ============================================================================ | | 451) Sat, Nov 05, 2005 - 9:30:49 pm | | glennmcc> | Sorry... that was unintensional. | | The editor in Xtree does that and I forgot to get ridd of it with a | different editor before making the realse package. | | ============================================================================ | | 452) Sun, Nov 06, 2005 - 1:13:52 am | | Eric> | Glennmcc, Does the MIX editor read that H1A as an EOF marker? | That seems to be the way it behaves. There are some files that | the DOS editor will load that the MIX editor refuses to load. | | ============================================================================ | | 453) Sun, Nov 06, 2005 - 5:49:17 am | | Eric> | Ray, I was thinking about keystroke patterns and preferences | and I recall I had certain key sequences I preferred when I was | writing programs for my TRS-80. When I started using those same | programs on my IBM-XT clone, those key sequences weren't always | so handy anymore because the keyboard layouts were different. | Some lefthand sequences became right hand sequences, and some | single hand sequences became dual hand sequences. Even though | I am pretty much ambidexrous and use either hand without even | thinking about it, I still changed my programming to accommodate | the IBM clone keyboard. So, considering there are right handed, | left handed, single handed users and users with various digital | proclivities using Arachne, it makes sense to provide an option | to customize keystrokes for the individual user. Just as long | as providing that option doesn't bloat the program and as long | as it's easy for the user to implement. After all, we never have | been able to reach a concensis on how the ESC key should behave. | | | ============================================================================ | | 454) Sun, Nov 06, 2005 - 6:40:02 am | | Eric> | Ray, The MIX editor uses a binary setup file to | govern the macros and keystrokes. That file is | written by a program which reads a text setup file | and then generates the binary setup file. In the case | of the MIX editor, the larger the setup file then the | smaller the size of the file that will fit into the | editor buffer. | | ============================================================================ | | 455) Sun, Nov 06, 2005 - 8:27:19 am | | ray> | Eric, | | I agree. We're DOS people, naturaly rebelious and ideosyncratic and | wanting to do things as we see fit. There's no doubt that a keyboard | selection is possible without too much trouble. At the compile level | there'd be no bloat at all of course. An assignment file is probably | the way to go, though. | | ============================================================================ | | 456) Sun, Nov 06, 2005 - 2:23:57 pm | | glennmcc> | Since you have already said you're not going to be making any | 'public releases' of your version........ | | All of that stuff is pretty much a moot point.... wouldn't ya say ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 457) Sun, Nov 06, 2005 - 4:43:25 pm | | ray> | Hmmm? miss your point. | | | ============================================================================ | | 458) Sun, Nov 06, 2005 - 5:36:00 pm | | glennmcc> | The only point is that whatever you do and whatever changes you make | will never be seen by 'the general public'. | | So, | Have fun......... do whatever makes you happy. :) | | ============================================================================ | | 459) Sun, Nov 06, 2005 - 5:39:50 pm | | glennmcc> | That is, unless you have changed your mind and you _are_ planning to | make your own public release. | | In that case... I would respectfully recommend that you take into | consideration "public opinion" as to what changes should be made to | suit their wants & needs. | | | ============================================================================ | | 460) Sun, Nov 06, 2005 - 6:24:58 pm | | Eric> | Glennmcc, Re: #449...I don't want to be a nag but... | if you are going to make it feasible and standard | practice to do an upgrade by installing the Axxxgllp.exe | over the existing installation then the required | free disk space should be reduced. I am often, | read that usually, operating Arachne on this Ramdisk | with less than 1MG free disk space. That 5MG freespace | requirement is a PITA and stops the otherwise | fast upgrade dead in its tracks !!! | | ============================================================================ | | 461) Sun, Nov 06, 2005 - 7:40:07 pm | | glennmcc> | Point well taken..... change will be made for next release. | | ============================================================================ | | 462) Sun, Nov 06, 2005 - 7:42:07 pm | | ray> | Glenn, re 458: | | Rather than duplicating a whole lot of effort by making a seperate | release, I think it would be much more progresive if we pooled our | efforts -- I've got by far the best core, so you use that in your | next release. I haven't the skills to manage the overall project, | I'm a specialist, I'm good a cleaning and optimizing and organizing. | You've said you were going to come over to my code about four times | now and I continue to make my plans on that basis. I know there'd | be a learning curve and you are loath to leave code that you've come | to know well, but I don't thing the switch would be as hard as you | think. I'm confident that sooner or latter you will come over and | IMHO the sooner you do, the better. Of course it's an irrational | world and nothing is guarantied, that I know only too well. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 463) Mon, Nov 07, 2005 - 2:10:00 am | | Eric> | Glennmcc, I got a Memory allocation error with A1.87. | Illegal xSwap operation at line 173 of file URLSTAT.C | Trying to deallocate xSwap...ok | Errorlevel 1 | Errorlevel 0 | | I don't know exactly what page I was on or what I did. | I was playing around with HTML and CSS stuff with Google. | | ============================================================================ | | 464) Mon, Nov 07, 2005 - 2:48:42 am | | Eric> | Glenn, I pressed a key on xSwap error and got Fatal Error page. | I backed up a page with CTRL-Lft arrow and this page loaded from | cache: | | http://www.zvon.org/xxl/CSSTutorial/Output/example1.html | | LR crner said "offline"...pressed ALT-D...LR crner said "TCP/IP" | Pressed H for Hotlist...Clicked on link for this page... | Loaded this tester's board from Gregy's computer. | | My modem never redialed and the ISP connection was never lost. | I seem to have lost 1,048,576 from XMS memory. | | ============================================================================ | | 465) Mon, Nov 07, 2005 - 3:24:46 am | | Eric> | Glenn, Whay does that "class=q" do? | I removed it and I don't see any difference in the | Google page. And the page works just fine! | | | ============================================================================ | | 466) Mon, Nov 07, 2005 - 9:46:55 am | | glennmcc> | This is the 'q' class in the head of the google page. | | .q{color:#0000cc;} | | It simply specifies that whatever class=q is used with will be | mediumblue in color. | | But it does not matter whet we spec in the class (color, font-size, | text-decoration, etc, etc, etc) | | If a class (any class), is used in the | Glennmcc, I thought we installed a safety check on F8. | I just hit F8 accidentally instead of F4 and lost everything | in my cache. I was working on several files in there so I'm | not a happy camper! | | ============================================================================ | | 468) Mon, Nov 07, 2005 - 5:06:19 pm | | glennmcc> | You have to enable it over on 'Options/Prefs & perf.' | | _ Warn before clearing Cache | | | | ============================================================================ | | 469) Mon, Nov 07, 2005 - 5:22:45 pm | | ray> | I just made it alt+f8, but I thought Glenn had some confirm page | to come up. | | ============================================================================ | | 470) Mon, Nov 07, 2005 - 5:58:32 pm | | Eric> | Glennmcc, I think it should be the other way around.... | One should have to disable it if he likes surprises. | I'm referring to "Warn before clearing Cache". | | ============================================================================ | | 471) Mon, Nov 07, 2005 - 6:32:12 pm | | Eric> | I think anyone who likes using a single keypress to clear the cache | is foolish enough to think that he can walk around with a squirrel | in his pants and still avoid becoming a soprano ! | | Ray, BTW, your Canadian money was on Jeopardy tonight. It was the | highest point question in the catagory. The question was something like | what is Canada's craziest coin (not a direct quote). All three | contestants missed it. Of course the answer was "What is a Loonie". | Thanks to you I knew the answer. Did I spell it right or is it | spelled "Looney" or "Louny" or "Louisny." | | | ============================================================================ | | 472) Mon, Nov 07, 2005 - 10:24:02 pm | | ray> | Its: Lieughneigh :-) | | Just kidding, that's how a Scott might pronounce it but it's: | | Loonie, after the Loon on one side. Now, our two dollar coin has | a polar bear in place of the loon, so what do you thnink it's called? | | | ============================================================================ | | 473) Tue, Nov 08, 2005 - 2:22:54 am | | Eric> | Ray, How about a Bernie? Or a Bearnie? Or Fuzzy? Or Wuzzy? | Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear! | Or a Joint?... From bear knee? | | ============================================================================ | | 474) Tue, Nov 08, 2005 - 3:22:41 am | | Eric> | Ray, Have you got any coin with a beaver or a catamount | on it? Poker any one? ... I'll raise you a beaver! | | | ============================================================================ | | 475) Tue, Nov 08, 2005 - 7:12:15 am | | Eric> | Ray, That 2 dollar coin, you could call it a Yogi or a Smokie, | but it's the wrong kind of bear. Eh? ... Booboo? | | ============================================================================ | | 476) Tue, Nov 08, 2005 - 7:27:48 am | | ray> | Eric, | | You should be working for us, you have a flair for this. Alas it's | just called a 'twoonie' -- two loonies. | | | ============================================================================ | | 477) Tue, Nov 08, 2005 - 8:30:45 am | | Eric> | Ray, A lass, I gave you guys credit for more imagination | than that. Are you sure Red Green hasn't renamed it? | | | ============================================================================ | | 478) Tue, Nov 08, 2005 - 1:27:34 pm | | vbm> | what tool need for editing font 8x14.fnt? I tryed fedit, but no | result... | | ============================================================================ | | 479) Tue, Nov 08, 2005 - 4:42:36 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | He probably has. Anyway you hit the nail on the head. What are | Canadians but polite Yanks with no imagination? :-)) | | ============================================================================ | | 480) Wed, Nov 09, 2005 - 3:24:47 am | | Eric> | Ray, Re: width of setup page you sent me by e-mail | | Yes, In 640X480 resolution some lines run past the right margin. | In 800X600 the lines only run about 3/4 across the page and the | printing is very small, especially on 14 inch monitor. | That is with A1.85. I don't have A1.87 loaded right now. | I dont understand exactly what that page is...it looks like it | picks up my existing setup info...is that right? | | | ============================================================================ | | 481) Wed, Nov 09, 2005 - 4:19:39 am | | Eric> | Ray, At the top of the file (page 1) at 640X480 the lines | have 5 or 6 letters or spaces clipped off without scrolling | to the right with A1.85. | | ============================================================================ | | 482) Wed, Nov 09, 2005 - 4:49:05 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Thanks for that, it's what I see too. Seems V made a mistake in his | HTML after all, but the strange thing is it showed OK on his machine, | but only under 1.85 -- go figure. Of course it is just possible | that bad code could render OK due to a bug. Paradoxicaly, bad code | *should* show badly so if it shows OK that itself is a bug, but | we still don't have an answer on that. Anyway, Vladimir is making | an alternate 'settup' system that reflects my keywords and that | is more directly related to the configuration keywords, ie. it | lets you know directly which keywords you are playing with and gives | you all the options available right there. It's a bit more in keeping | with my and his notion that the setup screens shouldn't 'shield' you | from arachne.cfg but instead 'guide' you into it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 483) Fri, Nov 11, 2005 - 1:30:27 am | | gregy> | Glenn,...thank you for that lucid explanation of ARACHNE.CFG variables.. | ...of course, you realize that I fully know that......but...in my | persona as "JeeThaUser"...I try to just do a complete, straight from | scratch install of all new distributions....and report what that JTU is | seeing, and complaining about.... | ... | Now, please answer me the question....when did the "default" behaviour | change from "Interrupt Transfer" and "Exit" for the "ESC" key and also | for the "R" key, which used to have default behaviour of "Stop Download" | and "Reload"....???? | ...with which version of Arachne did this change...??? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 484) Fri, Nov 11, 2005 - 4:17:49 pm | | glennmcc> | 1.87 | | ============================================================================ | | 485) Fri, Nov 11, 2005 - 4:46:39 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Is there a way to load a page, capture a button click and then | continue right where you left off? Reason I ask is that, as I mentioned | before, I have the ability to offer the user a choice of | Delete, Skip or go to inbox when an email download hangs (we talked | about it). I can printf() some instructions and then capture a | keystroke, but Vladimir has made me a nice .ah to capture it | via buttons, but I have no idea how to display the page, and then | end up exactly where I was when it was called. | | Help me Obiwan. | | | ============================================================================ | | 486) Fri, Nov 11, 2005 - 8:33:13 pm | | Obiwan> | Use the force, Luke.... I mean, Ray. ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 487) Fri, Nov 11, 2005 - 9:23:02 pm | | ray> | You *are* the force, dummy. < g g g > | | ============================================================================ | | 488) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 2:51:45 am | | gregy> | Glenn...ty...I kinda thought that was a recent improvision.... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 489) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 2:54:36 am | | gregy> | Ray...Glenn....our ARACHNE.BATs need to be cleaned up and reconciled as | much as possible.. | .. | I have made a start of synchronizing the two different .BATs (Glenn's | default and Ray's modified)....I will check this against the new 1.87 | distro ARACHNE.BAT....and post the two synchronized bats, and we can | DISCUSS (just discuss, not cuss........) them.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 490) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 5:31:05 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Re: Different defaults in 1.87 distro....This is my second | attempt typing this 'cause I did it 1st in M$IE and pressed the keys | I would in Arachne and lost the whole blasted posting. <:-( | Whwn I installed 1.87 distro as upgrade over my 1.85 setup | Arachne behaved somewhat differently than my usual setup. | For instance, it automatically loaded graphics. I left it | that way to see if I would like it but I decided I still | prefer to load graphics as required. I assumed the changes | in behavior were because my config files were moved to | backup and replaced by Glenn's default files. And you know | Glenn he's always futzing around with those files to keep | us on our toes. Aside from that, A1.87 seemed to work fine | and I never had a chance to really compare config files | before I had to reboot and install my 1.85 setup. | | ============================================================================ | | 491) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 10:03:21 am | | ray> | Gregy, | | A hybrid .bat is not impossible but I'd still say that a swapping | batchfile is the best answer -- it just copies over the needed files. | My .bat tests for far more errors than Glenn's so it can't be | dumbed down without the loss of much error checking. However, the | reverse might be quite easy -- making it possible for Glenn's cores | to run under my .bat, but then it's overkill since there is so much | in my .bat that is irrelevant to Glenn's. And there is a speed | penalty (that's why my speed tests are no better than Glenn's, it's due | to my bloated .bat, with a trimmed down .bat I'm 10% faster). | | | ============================================================================ | | 492) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 10:33:17 am | | Eric> | Gregy, There's no reason to create a new Arachne .bat | unless the intention is to combine Ray's setup and Glenn's | setup into a single setup. I don't think that is the plan. | Having a single arachne.bat might make it easier for testing | but that's necessarily the goal. I have never found any | problem running Glenn's cores with Ray's arachne.bat. | | | ============================================================================ | | 493) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 10:37:53 am | | Eric> | Error in above post: should read: but that's not necessarily the goal. | . ^^^ | | | | ============================================================================ | | 494) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 11:48:16 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Though it would be convinient for testing. But I think you're right, | Glenn's core shouldn't have a problem with my bat except that his | core requires a much bigger 'cleanup' section than mine, so if you | use my bat with his core. some 'temp' files might not be deleted ( | reason is the all my temp files are quaranteed to be in ARACHNETEMP | so I don't have to go looking all over the place for them. | | | ============================================================================ | | 495) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 3:27:01 pm | | glennmcc> | Simple solution........... | | --- at the bottom of arachne.bat --- | | :err | echo Abnormal Arachne termination. Please reboot system and/or restart Arach | :end | call cleanup.bat | | | --- all of the stuff that used to be at the bottom moved to cleanup.bat --- | | if exist $roura?.bat del $roura?.bat | if exist %ARACHNETEMP%\$roura$.bat del %ARACHNETEMP%\$roura$.bat | if exist %TEMP%\$roura$.bat del %TEMP%\$roura$.bat | if exist *._$b del *._$b | if exist %ARACHNETEMP%\*._$b del %ARACHNETEMP%\*._$b | if exist %TEMP%\*._$b del %TEMP%\*._$b | if exist ip-up.bat del ip-up.bat | if exist ppp.log echo Type 'arachne -u' to terminate SLIP/PPP connection. | if exist lock del lock | if not exist %TEMP%\ARACHNE.TMP\*.* goto done | for %%f in (%TEMP%\arachne.tmp\*.*) do del %%f | rd %TEMP%\arachne.tmp>NUL | :done | echo. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 496) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 5:02:56 pm | | ray> | That should about cover it. I'll give that a try soon. Anyway, I've got | to move all those error messages out, since they were the cause of | my not being as fast as I thought I should, looks like I'll need | something like : | | if errorlevel 128 aracherr.bat [some errorlevel] and just keep | the important stuff in arachne.bat herself in which case, with the | above added, my .bat and Glenn's would be about identical. | | | ============================================================================ | | 497) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 5:20:32 pm | | ray> | Man, this mail handling stuff is great, esc aborts download and | goes to inbox, 'S' skips current message and continues, 'D' deletes | current message and continues. Alas all I have is a ratty printf() | to show the choices :-( other than that it works great, you can | skip over some huge message and then have it first in the queue on | the next download, or deltete spams then and there :-) | BTW Glenn, if it would moviate you to lend a hand with this, I'm | sure it will work in your code too, all it would need is a lot | of messing up ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 498) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 5:25:01 pm | | ray> | Gregy, Eric, | | Can I ask you guys to test this? If there are no bugs, it's got to | be a keeper. | | | ============================================================================ | | 499) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 5:58:48 pm | | glennmcc> | --- in main.c v1.87 --- | | PageDone: | //------------------------------------------------------------------------- | //!!glennmcc: Nov 08, 2005 -- when Xswap memory gets too low | if(ie_free() | Ought to prevent one-hell-of-a-lot of Xswap crashes, don't ya think ? | | ============================================================================ | | 501) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 6:01:25 pm | | glennmcc> | Not one single Xswap crash in 4 days now. :))) | | | ============================================================================ | | 502) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 6:02:27 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | Is all of the needed stuff for that in popget.c ? | | If so...... send that puppy on over here. | | ============================================================================ | | 503) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 6:16:21 pm | | ray> | There's some global defines that you'd have to expand --simple stuff | really like "SWI" == sock_wait_input and stuff like that but I'm | sure you could reverse engineer it. Lesse now ... there's the | change in the tcpidle function that trigers the whole thing ... what | else? Dinner now, I'll think what else you need and send it over. | Or I could upload my sources, you can build it so's you know it | works (or doesn't :-( ) in my environment and then reverse engineer | it from there with my help of course. | | | ============================================================================ | | 504) Sat, Nov 12, 2005 - 6:17:25 pm | | ray> | BTW that guard code looks like it could prevent a hang or two :-) | I no longer get XSWAP errors, but .... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 505) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 12:10:03 am | | Eric> | Re: #498 | Ray, Ya gotta stop asking us to test stuff but not | leav'n no URL fur us ta git it frum and notev'n say'n | what 'tis yuh wants we'n tuh sample. | | Now, ain't that rite, Gregy? | | ============================================================================ | | 506) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 8:26:10 am | | ray> | Eric, | | 'twil be at thuh yujwul place, up thar at Gregy's farm. | | | ============================================================================ | | 507) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 8:42:08 am | | ray> | But first, I should try out Andrej's modem CD code :-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 508) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 2:05:26 pm | | glennmcc> | Andrej is writing modem CD code you say ? | | Hmmm, | | Great minds _do_ think alike. | | I have some of my own that I'm working on. | | It works in about 90% of my tests but falls flat on its face in the other 10 | | | ============================================================================ | | 509) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 2:22:58 pm | | ray> | Yeah, I thought everyone knew, this seems to hit the nail on the | head but the hangup/redial sequence is troublesome, once the error | is detected I can't persuade the program that it is no longer on line. | I'll tinker for the rest of the day then show you where I'm at. | | | ============================================================================ | | 510) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 2:26:04 pm | | glennmcc> | Just run arachne:hangup/pause-a-few-sec/arachne:dial | | | ============================================================================ | | 511) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 4:57:10 pm | | ray> | Is there an .ah that has the hangup command attached to it? Seeing | that would help. | | ============================================================================ | | 512) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 5:11:30 pm | | glennmcc> | You can find both 'arachne:hangup' and 'arachne:dialer' on all 3 of these pa | | pppenhan.htm, ppp_init.htm and ppp_fast.htm | | ============================================================================ | | 513) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 5:15:54 pm | | glennmcc> | if(carrierdropped) | { | strcpy(GLOBAL.location,"arachne:hangup"); | gotoloc(); | strcpy(GLOBAL.location,"arachne:dialer"); | gotoloc(); | } | | | ============================================================================ | | 514) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 5:29:28 pm | | ray> | What? That simple! :-))) | | I've not seen 'gotoloc's' stacked like that, I thought they 'went there' | and sorta forgot were they were called from if you know what I mean. | If that works, she's about done. BTW, the modem CD dropped only | kicks in after about 14 seconds here, I assume its due to some | register setting or other? This is obvioulsy different than the | 'timeout' setting. How can I change it? | | | ============================================================================ | | 515) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 5:33:49 pm | | ray> | BTW you never answered my question vis. popget. Shall I send it and | let you hack around with it or do you want to wait for complete | sources and fool with it in situ? I figure the latter might be less | painful, since you could deconstruct my macros and defines step by | step while still being able to confirm that you've got working code, | then the jump to your sources should be easy. | | | ============================================================================ | | 516) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 7:42:09 pm | | glennmcc> | Sounds like a good plan to me. | | 'The latter' it is then. | | | ============================================================================ | | 517) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 8:14:55 pm | | glennmcc> | Another little annoyance is fixed. | | --- in urlstat.c -- | | //!!glennmcc: Nov 13, 2005 -- append '\' if we forget to enter it in typed U | if(strlen(absURL->file)>1 && | !strstr(absURL->file,".") && | absURL->file[strlen(absURL->file)-1]!='\\' | ) | {strcat(absURL->file,"\\");} | //!!glennmcc: end | | ============================================================================ | | 518) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 8:19:58 pm | | ray> | OK, but I'll post Andrej's stuff to AD just now since that will be | workable in your code almost as is. Right now I have this one little | problem with 'stacking' gotoloc's as you suggested. its with | (what I call gTCPIP) some how it gets reset out of order in the | program flow and prevents the redial. | | | ============================================================================ | | 519) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 9:08:28 pm | | glennmcc> | Major problem with this test......... | | char cd_is_on = inportb(0x2fe) && 0x80; | | My modem is at base port address 0xb800 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 520) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 9:18:44 pm | | glennmcc> | Even doing it your way, we still havea problem. | | if(gTCPIP && !(inportb(base) & 0x80)) | | Since I use Lsppp.exe with Lsppp.cfg for both dualing and packet driver. | | My base port address is not in arachne.cfg, it's in lsppp.cfg instead. | | --- lsppp.cfg --- | /M:at&fs7=90s11=50 | /x | /i:4 | /b:bx800 | /d:330-984-4005 | /B:115200 | /V:60 | /U:glennmcc@cisnet.com | /P:**** | | In addition..... | | It's not needed in lsppp.cfg when using a 'stadard' setup. | | --- lsppp.cfg --- | /M:at&fs7=90s11=50 | /x | /i:4 | /n:1 | /d:330-984-4005 | /B:115200 | /V:60 | /U:glennmcc@cisnet.com | /P:**** | | | So..... there's no way for the CD code to get the needed address. | | | ============================================================================ | | 521) Sun, Nov 13, 2005 - 9:24:30 pm | | glennmcc> | BTW, | | // system("termin.com 0x60 > NUL"); // DON'T WORK :-( | | char cmd[128]; | strcpy(cmd,"termin.com 0x60 > NUL"); | system(cmd); // DOES WORK :)) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 522) Mon, Nov 14, 2005 - 4:32:04 am | | Eric> | Glennmcc, I use lsppp.exe but I don't have a lsppp.cfg. | I have a pppdrc.cfg.....what's up? | | | ============================================================================ | | 523) Mon, Nov 14, 2005 - 4:09:02 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Rodger the thing with 'base' -- you'd have to set the keyword just | for the CD check, near as I can figure unless Andrej can find some | nifty automatic check for the port. Anyway, don't take that code | to seriously, it's just a starting point. | | So 'system(cmd)' solves the problem? I don't see what the difference | should be but I'll try it for sure. Now, did you look at my problem | going directly back to dialing? Damned if I can figure that out. | | | ============================================================================ | | 524) Mon, Nov 14, 2005 - 5:09:33 pm | | glennmcc> | Since in most cases when the server has dropped the carrier, we can | get right back on-line by simply hitting Alt+D ........ | | I'll bettcha this is all we need to do. | | if(carrierdropped) | { | strcpy(GLOBAL.location,"arachne:dialer"); | gotoloc(); | } | | And even if we need to issue a hangup first..... | | char cmd[128]; | if(carrierdropped) | { | strcpy(cmd,"termin.com 0x60 > NUL"); | system(cmd); | strcpy(GLOBAL.location,"arachne:dialer"); | gotoloc(); | } | | | ============================================================================ | | 525) Mon, Nov 14, 2005 - 6:45:05 pm | | glennmcc> | I modified hotlsman.exe | | More at /adev/advindex.php | | | ============================================================================ | | 526) Tue, Nov 15, 2005 - 4:41:08 am | | Eric> | Re: 524 .....Someone should investigate what happens when | the carrier IS NOT dropped but Arachne goes offline. In such | instances lately an ALT-D puts Arachne back online WITHOUT | a redial from the modem in my setup. This behavior may also | be related to the fact that sometimes ALT-D is required to | reset the modem/or something first before a 2nd ALT-D will | cause the modem to dial. | | ============================================================================ | | 527) Tue, Nov 15, 2005 - 6:17:53 am | | vbm> | about CD detect: and how it's will work with ethernet? | | ============================================================================ | | 528) Tue, Nov 15, 2005 - 6:33:44 am | | vbm> | and to adding - my phone line OFTEN losting CD, but connection - | staying... | ;-)))))))))))))))) | | | ============================================================================ | | 529) Tue, Nov 15, 2005 - 10:16:54 am | | gregy> | Vladimir...Ray...Glenn...Eric....we seem to be "onto" something here,.. | ......since we all seem to be interested in that "CD detect".. | ... | Without breaking sumpin else, I think we should investigate this path | very fully.... | We all seem to have some set of symptoms that we are seeing, and some | sort of corrective actions we take, or propose....I think, once we get | a good "CDdetect" function, we can optomize this to handle all the | different cases... | ... | You guys go for it...!!!!..... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 530) Tue, Nov 15, 2005 - 10:18:26 am | | gregy> | Glenn...Ray...speaking for myself....I'll be willing/ready to test your | new POPGET functionality whenever you get it sorta stable...(heck, I'd | even test it if it promised faithfully to NOT mess my whole mail d/l up) | ...... | | | ============================================================================ | | 531) Tue, Nov 15, 2005 - 4:38:47 pm | | glennmcc> | Got some bbad news for ya'..... | | Any beta testing version of popget is almost certain to mess up your mail d/ | | That's why you should ALWAYS d/l your entire mail bot using the proven-to-wo | version but with it set to leave your mail on the server. | | Move all messages to a safe place and then do the d/l again using the | beta version. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 532) Tue, Nov 15, 2005 - 5:36:16 pm | | Eric> | Glennmcc, I can confirm your mail warning....always check | "keep mail on server" when testing....saves a lot of stress! | | ============================================================================ | | 533) Tue, Nov 15, 2005 - 6:15:14 pm | | glennmcc> | And we gots enough stress in our lives already without adding the stress | ofa lost batch of email to the list. ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 534) Tue, Nov 15, 2005 - 6:18:00 pm | | ray> | re 523, Glenn, I had no luck with 'system' either way, I'd better | check and see if I can get it to work in your code. The command is | executed all right, but I crash latter on after re-entering Arachne, | seems some vector or other doesn't want to be changed. | | re 524, Nope you *have* to 'hangup' ie run termin. after that | going to the dial page is the right choice, but I can't make it | work so far, let me know if you have any luck. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 535) Tue, Nov 15, 2005 - 6:24:57 pm | | ray> | re 530, 531, | | Gregy, it seems quite stable and thanks for offering, but the warnings | are well made. What I've been doing is just mailing myself dummy | messages and then testing everything with those. So far it hasn't | lost anything. As I've come to understand the POP3 commands, it | can't really do much harm except perhaps delete something that shouldn't | be deleted, but even then, you'd know what it is, because whatever | message is being downloaded when the 'skip, esc or delete' command | is given will exist in partial form in your inbox -- nothing is | totaly deleted. So far all truncated messages are faithfuly left on | the server and show up again on the next download. I'll send it | latter this evening if your still up to it (and I'll remember to | restore the stock internal editor commands :) | | | ============================================================================ | | 536) Tue, Nov 15, 2005 - 7:19:58 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Yah see what mess'n wit them 'dtor cumands does..... | Now yah gots to spend time 'storing the old ones so | anyone else can use your program! | | ============================================================================ | | 537) Tue, Nov 15, 2005 - 9:50:28 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Na, it's totaly easy to do stuff like that, infact it can even | be made automatic. Infact it can even be made a user option. | In my case, at the moment I just have two different 'iekey.c's' | and compile with the one desired at the moment. Or I could do it with | #defines which automaticaly compiles the correct code, or there could | be a keyword that switches from one to the other. | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 538) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 12:49:16 am | | glennmcc> | arachne.cfg variable | | ie_key standard | | ie_key messed_up | | | | ============================================================================ | | 539) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 2:40:34 am | | Eric> | Ray, I know all about this "I could do/it can be" stuff.... | I got this imaginary list in my mind too....so did | Leonardo DaVinci !! The question is....is it worth it? | Will you learn enough from doing it to make it worthwhile? | Or would you rather be learning HTML? | | ============================================================================ | | 540) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 3:40:36 am | | vbm> | Ray, sorry, but I'm wait a files fixing loop an email... | and still can't output my distributive... ;-))))))))))))))))) | | | ============================================================================ | | 541) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 7:13:09 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Hmmm? Sorry, I'm not getting your point. Is what worth it? | | Vladimir, | | Latter today I'll upload 6-b and we shall see if this stupid loop | is cured. If not it should be a simple fix. | | | ============================================================================ | | 542) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 10:48:25 am | | Eric> | Ray, Is it worth changing editor commands, etc., as you | mentioned in #537. | | I just made an interesting observation, I think.... | I was reading an email I saved to a floppy and Insight | said it was email # zero of -1 emails...is that the way | it's supposed to work? I loaded the email by entering | "file:A:\emailname.cnm" in the URL box. | | ============================================================================ | | 543) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 3:31:29 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Oh, that. Yeah, I think it was useful, you don't make progress whithout | trying stuff. I personaly prefer my new IE keys and remember, the | real goal hear is to create a macro capability, and that will require | that all hotkeys be single keyscans ( Alt, Ctrl, etc + some key | use more than one key but still return a single value). As to the | emails, no that can't be right, something busted there for sure, | which core and which insight? | | | ============================================================================ | | 544) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 5:41:42 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I'm using Glenn's latest 1.87 distro. But the email | wasn't in the inbox where it should be so maybe it's not | worth futzing with. | | ============================================================================ | | 545) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 6:18:26 pm | | glennmcc> | Did you use a url of this nature ? | | file:a:\a34adc01.cnm | | Was that the only .CNM in the root dir of drive A: ? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 546) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 6:23:12 pm | | Eric> | Ray, The MIX editor has macro capibilities and it also uses | "standard" key combinations. But, all "standard" commands also | can be entered on a command line and have a command name assigned | to the "standard" key combinations. Those command names are used | to setup the macro commands. You can assign a new command name | to a macro and/or you can assign a key combination to a macro. | | | ============================================================================ | | 547) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 6:25:22 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep........ that's it. | | I just now duplicated it. | | It's an erronious result due to manually viewing a .CNM on a disk which | is not indicatated as being the mail disk:\dir | | Changed my setting to 'a:\' as the mail dir and all now works as | expected. | | BRB | | | | ============================================================================ | | 548) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 6:27:08 pm | | Eric> | Glennmcc, Yes, that was the only *.cnm in the root | directory of A: and I entered file:A:\xxxxxxxx.cnm in the | URL box. | | ============================================================================ | | 549) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 6:30:10 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep, same effect when viewing a CNM in c:\ instead of c:\arachne\mail\ | | | | ============================================================================ | | 550) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 6:39:15 pm | | glennmcc> | So... we have a glitch in the Matrix. | | | ============================================================================ | | 551) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 7:09:33 pm | | Eric> | Glennmcc, Not necessarily a glitch....maybe just a view | of the matix from a different perspective. Or...a shift | in the coordinates...or maybe an asymtotic shift...or maybe | a view of the matrix from the other side. | | ============================================================================ | | 552) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 7:27:54 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Rodger that, but as you can probably guess, it's an order of magnitude | simpler with single strokes. In Arachne's case the double strokes | require a huge tour through the sources with set flags, etc. until | another keystroke is entered. I'll try to get it working with the | simpler keys I've invented, then try to tackle the more complex | problem. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 553) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 7:38:20 pm | | Eric> | Glennmcc, With more than one *.cnm in A:\ the numbering | seems to work OK. Seems like if one loads A: emails with | URL file://A:\*.cnm Then A:\ becomes the inbox and everything | seems to work with numbering system. Of course, other manipulations | don't work since A: doesn't have the proper directories. | | ============================================================================ | | 554) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 7:59:37 pm | | Eric> | Ray, It would seem, but I may be wrong, that if each function | is assigned a command name, then the keystrokes are assigned to | that command name. In BASIC I have setup menus which required | double keystrokes and that wasn't that complicated. I have the | MIX editor setup so that some functions require 3 keystrokes. | eg. to save a file I am working on and create a duplicate backup | file the keystrokes are: ALT-K-S-S. CTRL-K-S lets me rename the | file and then save it under that name...preserving the original | file. | | ============================================================================ | | 555) Wed, Nov 16, 2005 - 10:42:05 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Yeah, it could be done simply, but that's not how MP did it. His | entire architecture is build around a certain way of handling | keystrokes that makes this more difficult than you might expect. | Anyway, if it can be made to work with single keys, then I will try | to ramp it up to the old ones too. It's a case of walking before | you run if you get me. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 556) Thu, Nov 17, 2005 - 7:53:13 pm | | Eric> | Glennmcc, While playing around with my screen setup, | as I was investigating Sam Ewalt's problems, I discovered | some strange behaviors of the video setup. I installed | 1.87 with default video setup of Vesa compatible 640X480 | 512 KB 256 colors, I set video max resol. at 600X800. | When I pressed "+" the resolution went from 640X480 to 800X600....fine. | Pressing "+" again, screen refreshed...no change in resol....fine | Pressing "-" changed resol. back to 640X480...fine. | Pressing "-" again, erased screen and loaded Arachne Video Setup...WHY? | Pressing "-" again, the cursor disappeared and "TAB" does nothing. | Pressing "-" again, no cursor,ESC beeps,TAB-nothing,ARROW keys-nothing. | Press F5 and screen refreshes, cursor comes back with TAB,ARROWs work, | . ESC still just beeps. | Leave Video Setup at default & click on "Try Mode".....get "set max resol" | screen...set at 800X600....back in business. | Backup with CTRL-L. ARROW to Video Setup page...click on "Try Mode"... | I get "Arachne Fatal Error page. | I go back with CTRL-L.ARROW...click on "Try Mode"...Get "Abnormal Arachne | Termination. Please reboot etc." ... then "Setup finished etc."... | then "Type Exit to return to Arachne". | Exit does not return to Arachne. Video is in strange mode. Memory is screwed | 24megs XMS free...Convent. mem. OK | | ============================================================================ | | 557) Thu, Nov 17, 2005 - 8:19:18 pm | | glennmcc> | Is ESC set to go back ? | | Is your vid card capable of 800x600 256 ? | | ============================================================================ | | 558) Thu, Nov 17, 2005 - 8:33:23 pm | | Eric> | Glennmcc, ESC is set at Back, Video card does 800X600 at 256 | | | ============================================================================ | | 559) Thu, Nov 17, 2005 - 8:40:40 pm | | Eric> | Glennmcc, All the craziness seems to happen because "-" calls | up the "Set Video Mode" page if pressed after 640X480 resolution | is in effect. Maybe a minimum resolution should be set just like | the maximum resolution is set. | | ============================================================================ | | 560) Thu, Nov 17, 2005 - 8:44:41 pm | | Eric> | Continuing from #559: With the default min. and max. both being | 640X480 256 | | ============================================================================ | | 561) Thu, Nov 17, 2005 - 9:10:10 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Code in the wire, tx. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 562) Thu, Nov 17, 2005 - 9:12:25 pm | | ray> | BTW, since we're fooling around with niffty modem checking stuff, | something I've always wanted is some way of checking the connection | quality before trying to make a big transfer. Any way of doing that? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 563) Fri, Nov 18, 2005 - 6:45:47 am | | vbm> | well, it's reworked file to setting up arachne, for avdvanced users. try it. | ;-))))))))) | | | |