DOS Testers1 Message Board
Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:50:15
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| 1) Thu, Dec 01, 2005 - 12:18:15 am 
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| gregy>
| Okay...new board up.....previous posts under the "archives" link below:
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| 2) Thu, Dec 01, 2005 - 12:21:05 am 
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| gregy>
| Yep...back here this time in Arachne....and should be fine...
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| 3) Thu, Dec 01, 2005 - 5:10:45 pm 
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| ray>
| Here's my user-break-or-abort screen, clear enough? any comments?
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|
| ÉÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ
| º                                                                           
| º                  THERE HAS BEEN AN ABORT OR A USER BREAK                  
| º                                                                           
| º       Arachne will try to skip over the aborted message in 10 seconds     
| º       unless you ...                                                      
| º                                                                           
| º       Press 'ESC' to quit downloading and go to the inbox now.            
| º       Press 'C'   to try to continue downloading this message.            
| º       Press 'S'   to skip over this message and continue downloading.     
| º       Press 'D'   to delete this message and continue downloading.        
| º                                                                           
| º       Note, in all of the above, successfully downloaded messages will    
| º       be deleted from the server (if 'keeponserver NO') and except if     
| º       you press 'D', the message that was downloading when the ESC or     
| º       abort happened will remain on the server.  Partially downloaded     
| º       messages may exist in the inbox too, so more than one               
| º       'edition' of some messages may end up in the inbox at the           
| º       next download of mail.                                              
| º                                                                           
| º       Spontaneous aborts are usually caused by spam emails. You           
| º       should probably try again to download with 'C', then                
| º       see what you've got in your inbox to confirm it is spam, then       
| º       Delete it with 'D' on the next email download when you see the      
| º       progress indicator stall or this screen reappears.                  
| º                                                                           
| ÈÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ
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| 4) Fri, Dec 02, 2005 - 12:25:10 am 
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| Eric>
| Ray,    The menu/message/directions look good.....but....we need
| to try it to really test it!  <ggg>
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| 5) Fri, Dec 02, 2005 - 7:09:21 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| If you're game, I'll upload it to Gregy. The 10 second default to
| 'skip' was Vladimir's idea, just did that yesterday.
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| 6) Fri, Dec 02, 2005 - 7:12:54 am 
|
| ray>
| BTW, I've made a .bat that works fine for both my core and Glenn's.
|
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| 7) Fri, Dec 02, 2005 - 7:30:37 am 
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| Eric>
| Ray,     I'll try it but I don't know if/when I'll use it.
| I can't remember the last time I got one of those download
| stalling spams. I used to get them occasionally but it's been
| a long time ago now. Post the URL on this board....that seems
| to be the easiest way to grab things or send it by email, that
| works fine too.
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| 8) Fri, Dec 02, 2005 - 3:44:43 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| It has other uses too. For example, I often check my email in the
| morning before heading off to work but sometimes an artist friend 
| of mine likes to send me a big .jpg of her latest painting that takes
| too long to download, so I just skip over it and deal with my
| shorter messages. Then, on my next download, the big .jpg is still
| there for when I have more time.
|
| I'll email it unless Gregy wants to try it to, then I'll send it to
| him and he can upload it to AVA.
|
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| 9) Fri, Dec 02, 2005 - 6:06:43 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I just rcvd spam email....offering about 10 M$FT programs
| at humungous savings....1st spam of this type in a long time!
| I think you jinxed me!  <ggg>
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| 10) Sat, Dec 03, 2005 - 9:03:48 am 
|
| ray>
| Sorry man.
|
| Someone is listening. Someone we don't like. Remember how I used to
| boast about almost never getting spam, and how I actually wished I
| had a few to test my code? Be careful what you wish for :-( now I'm
| getting about one a day. Perhaps this malevolence has now targeted you?
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| 11) Sat, Dec 03, 2005 - 9:48:22 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| On an 'average' day.... I recieve 50 SPAMS or virus infected emails.
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| Every once in a while, the count is over 100 in a day.
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| 12) Sat, Dec 03, 2005 - 10:45:15 pm 
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| ray>
| Shit!
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| 13) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 3:55:03 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| Slow SPAM day .... only 16 so-far today. <ggg>
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| 14) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 5:02:51 pm 
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| ray>
| Can't even imagine it ... get a provider that filters, sheesh.
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| 15) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 5:03:26 pm 
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| ray>
| Eric,
|
| build2k comming via email.
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| 16) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 5:12:14 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| Nope.... no filters for this boy.
|
| I got into a very big argument with the admins at CisNet about that.
|
| I will do my own 'filtering' thank you.
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| 17) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 5:13:41 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| #17 just came in.... delete it, forget it.
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| 18) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 5:15:37 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Try this link.
|
| http://browser.arachne.cz/archive/
|
| What happens ?
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| 19) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 5:25:32 pm 
|
| ray>
| Mallocerr in htmlstat. Big file tho, maybe she can't handle something
| that long. Let me try your core BRB ...
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| 20) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 5:29:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| Your core mallocs at 49% here, mine soliders on to 67% then mallocs.
| Is that because I have more free memeory?
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| 21) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 5:33:19 pm 
|
| ray>
| Tried again, this time my core got as far as 'verifying images' then
| pooped out.
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| 22) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 5:35:29 pm 
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| ray>
| You know what we need? We need some sort of connection quality
| indicator. I just had to try 3 or 4 times to send my core to Eric
| and I'm sure it's a line quality issue. Seems to me I once came across
| a little utility that told you how good your line was, why don't we
| add something like that?
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| 23) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 6:26:51 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| OK.... now insert this little bit of code into html.c
|
|
|      case TAG_IMG: //<IMG>
| //!!glennmcc: Dec 03, 2005 - optionally do not display any remote images
|    if(((!strncmpi(cache->URL,"http:",5) || !strncmpi(cache->URL,"ftp:",4)) &
|        configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"IgnoreImages",NULL)[0]=='Y'))
|       break;
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
| ___________
|
| Add this line to arachne.cfg
|
| IgnoreImages Yes
|
| Now try that link again.
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| 24) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 6:30:26 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| The problem is over 1700 <img src=".....>  tags.
|
| We can't handle that many even with 'LoadImages No' because core stuill
| has to draw all of the 'empty' image boxes.
|
| over 1700 of these is just way too many.
|
|  -------
| | image |
|  -------
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| 25) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 6:46:19 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| Ahhhhh.... my 1st virus for today. <ggg>
|
| Virus scanning report  -  4 December 2005 @ 20:44
|
| F-PROT ANTIVIRUS
| Program version: 3.16b
| Engine version: 3.16.6
|
| VIRUS SIGNATURE FILES
| SIGN.DEF created 2 December 2005
| SIGN2.DEF created 2 December 2005
| MACRO.DEF created 1 December 2005
|
| Search: c:\arachne\mail
| Action: Report only
| Files: "Dumb" scan of all files
| Switches: /ARCHIVE /PACKED /COLLECT /LIST /BEEP /NOSUB /NOBOOT /NOMEM /WRAP
| Memory was not scanned.
| Hard disk boot sectors were not scanned.
|
| C:\ARACHNE\MAIL\$IDX$SNT.IDX
| C:\ARACHNE\MAIL\$IDX$TBS.IDX
| C:\ARACHNE\MAIL\$SRT$SNT.IDX
| C:\ARACHNE\MAIL\$SRT$TBS.IDX
| C:\ARACHNE\MAIL\SELECTED.DAT
| C:\ARACHNE\MAIL\A3939A62.CNM->details.zip->data.rtf                         
|                                 Infection: W32/Netsky.P@mm (exact)
| C:\ARACHNE\MAIL\A3939A62.CNM->details.zip
| C:\ARACHNE\MAIL\A3939A62.CNM
|
| Results of virus scanning:
|
| Files: 6
| MBRs: 0
| Boot sectors: 0
| Objects scanned: 8
| Infected: 1
| Suspicious: 0
| Disinfected: 0
| Deleted: 0
| Renamed: 0
|
| Time: 0:01
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| 26) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 8:40:18 pm 
|
| ray>
| But 'ignoreimages' isn't a config option, it's a global flag.
| The config option is LoadImages for both of us, no?
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| 27) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 9:32:51 pm 
|
| ray>
| 'course you can add a new keyword, but what's the diff with
| LoadImages?
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| 28) Sun, Dec 04, 2005 - 9:36:41 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Thanks, I just fixed that bug with SysFont, now you'll get a message
| if it isn't found. What I had done was give Arachne a way of
| trying a smaller font in cases where a bigger font won't load. But
| I have to make an exception for the system font. Strangely, the way
| the code works, the system font is flagged internaly as the biggest
| which is why the 'next smallest' is code size six which is infact
| the biggest :-)
|
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| 29) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 12:58:30 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     You mean after all that explanation in your readme.txt
| you didn't explain that the arachne.cfg file was for reference
| only. I think the first thing to explain in your readme.txt should
| be the purpose of each of the included files and how to use them,
| and/or not use them, Eh ?  <ggg>  Or, did I miss your warning not
| to use your included arachne.cfg?  BTW, what is this *.ah! extension?
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| 30) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 5:18:16 am 
|
| flippant>
| After all the eeks and ooks come the ah!s...
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|  31) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 7:22:23 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yup, that's about the size of it <;-)
| I'll rewrite the readme after work.
| The .ah! is because it's not a 'proper' .ah yet -- it's just a
| plain text file. So far I can't figure out how to show a proper .ah
| HTML file and still have it do what it needs to do, reason is because
| the text file can be shown without leaving the mail code whereas
| to render an HTML file, Arachne sort of 'forgets' where she was and
| what she was doing.
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| 32) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 10:59:56 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      Are you saying Arachne....She forgets where she is
| so she AH's.   Tell me... where is she usually when she AH's? <ggg> 
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| 33) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 2:25:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| Yes... the new code makes a new keyword.
|
| And the differeance from loadimages is that the new code completely
| by-passes the <img> tag code and does not draw the empty image box.
|
| The problem on such pages is not the iomages themselves, but rather the
| empty image boxes.
|
| over 1700 of these is just way too many.
|  -------
| | image |
|  -------
|
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| 34) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 2:40:15 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Todays email stats so-far........
|
| 32 messages
|
| 28 SPAMs
| 3 viri
| 1 'good' message
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| 35) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 3:57:29 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| It's sorta the other way around, when she must display an .ah she
| forgets where she was before she displayed it. Same with any other
| page. She can remember which page she was showing and reload that, but
| she can't remember the settings of all the little variables at the
| time that the .ah was called. In the case of the mail download, she
| could display an .ah and then go back to downloading email alright, but
| she'd forget which mails were sucessfully downloaded already so as to
| delete them first before resuming downloading. Clear as mud? :-)
|
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| 36) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 4:02:16 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Yes, I see what you're getting at. But might it work to just 
| make 'LoadImages N' itself perform the above task? Rather than adding
| a new keyword, just have the little boxes ignored too. Just an idea.
| Anyway your fix certainly works.
|
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| 37) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 4:10:17 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope..... won't work.
|
| If 'loadimages no' does not draw the empty box.... then there's no box
| to right-click on to download just that one image.
|
| There's also no 'thumbnail' to click on to get a larger view.
|
| The only thing my new feature is good for is those loooooonnnngggg
| lists of files which are text links but with those little icons beside
| them that we don't need.
|
| I created a test page... http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/IgnoreImages.htm
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| 38) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 4:12:17 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Visit with 'loadimages no'
|
| Also visit after compiling-in that code
| and adding 'IgnoreImages Yes' to arachne.cfg
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| 39) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 4:15:49 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| This is the page src.........
|
| <html>
| <body>
| <img src="/thumbs/somefile1.jpg"><!-- will be ignored-->
| <a href="/images/somefile1.jpg">Click here for larger view
| <!--will still work as a link to view the file-->
| <br><br>
| <a href="/images/somefile2.jpg">
| <img src="/thumbs/somefile2.jpg" alt="click thumbnail for larger view">
| <!--will not be displayed,
|  therefore nothing to click and no way of knowing that there's
|  anything to click-->
| </body>
| </html>
|
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| 40) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 4:27:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But anyways.... it's just a simple little hack. <ggg>
|
| What I'm thinking of doing a s a permenant fix is to auto-disable
| the <IMG> tag for anything more than say 256 images.
|
| On a page such-as that arachne digest archive .. the 1st 256 image baxes
| would display but no more past that point.
|
| Similar to what I already did in both insight.exe and wwwman.exe
| (icons get auto-disabled if there are too many)
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| 41) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 4:34:50 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Here's the 'auto-disable function' in action with wwwman.exe viewing a
| dir of over 512 files.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/images/ad-01.gif (top of listing)
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/images/ad-02.gif (bottom of listing)
|
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| 42) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 6:01:41 pm 
|
| ray>
| I just figured out how to stop her from trying to load more than 
| she can swallow automaticaly. Seems there is a subtle bug
| in htmlstat such that IEputSwap() is force feed even when XSWAP is
| full. I just now loaded that monster page OK, and it stopped trying
| to make those image boxes when it ran out of XSWAP. So to make sure
| all was well I downloaded my email and wrote this :-)
|
| BUT! She only stops making those image boxes when XSWAP is deep
| into the red and an attempt at a reload of that page still 
| mallocs.
|
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| 43) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 6:02:39 pm 
|
| ray>
| But everything else is fine and theres no need for any other user
| intervention or keywords or what have you. Let me fool with it some
| more then I'll post it.
|
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| 44) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 6:06:46 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| EXCELLENT !!!!!!
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| 45) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 6:24:54 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Since you are getting so good at bug hunting/bug fixing.
|
| Here's 2 more for ya to have a crack at.
|
| Problem #1)
|
| <td bgcolor=>
|
| Results in bgcolor of that table cell to be black.
|
| Therefore, if the text color on the page is also black, we get
| black-on-black within that cell. (invisible text)
|
|
| Problem #2)
|
| <td bgcolor= align=right>
|
| Results in a bgcolor of that table cell to be maroon due to core using
| the letters of the word "align" as the bgcolor.
|
| Just as-though we had bgcolor=align
|
| In addition.... the align=right parameter does not get parsed because
| part of it has been used along with the bgcolor= parameter.
|
| This works fine.........
|
| <td bgcolor="" align=right>
|
| except for the fact that the "" causes the bgcolor to default to black,
| again making the same problem of black-on-black if the page text color
| is also black.
|
|
| ("real world" example page under URL)
| http://www.bluehorizons.com.ph/flights/index.php?offset=41
|
| Validation results.........Failed validation, 123 errors 
|
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| 46) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 6:37:44 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| BTW,
|
| 4 more SPAMs, 1 more virus (netsky.P)
|
| <ggg>
|
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| 47) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 6:43:02 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hey! one thing at a time ;-)
|
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| 48) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 7:18:33 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I don't like your color schemes on pages Mail:Compose, the 
| page that displays the email text, the Reply mailto: . I find them
| very hard to read and they really turn me off.  I also find it very
| annoying when the cursor is automatically made active in a text entry
| box because this disables all hot keys and confuses users who aren't
| aware of the reason that nothing is working when they press the hot keys.
|
|
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|  49) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 7:32:35 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I can't load any page from internet or get mail. Arachne just
| locks up when I place the cursor on a link and press enter...after a
| long wait I get the "Can't open connection" page. <:-(
|
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|  50) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 7:39:32 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I checked the PPP.LOG and it says the packet driver is loaded
| and the IP address is set.  I made no changes to my Arachne.cfg file.
| Is there something I forgot to add or change?
|
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|
|  51) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 7:46:15 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Why does it say "CNM" in LR corner, in green lettering?
| I also says "ONLINE".
|
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|  52) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 7:57:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I think I changed the default colors to black on silver, but now that
| you mention it, Gregy didn't like that either and I was supposed to
| return those to Glenn's defaults but forgot about it.
|
| I didn't do anything to change the cursor vis having it automaticaly
| in a text area, AFAICT, that can happen randomly. Please advise if
| I'm not correct on that.
|
|
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|
| 53) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 8:03:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| The little box at the LR corner says 'CNM' when you have something
| in you Inbox, and 'TBS' when you have something in your outbox, it's
| just a little reminder. I canged 'TCP/IP' to 'ONLINE' because 
| technicaly not all connectons are TCP/IP ... or that's what
| Vladimir said anyway [*:-)
|
| IIRC he said that Ethernet connctions aren't TCP/IP.
|
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|
| 54) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 8:06:37 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    NO, that cannot happen randomly, not what I am refering to.
| It is set active in the HTML code.  That is one of the things changed
| on those pages I sent to you a while back.  That is one of the things
| that confused Bastiaan on those pages. He couldn't get the function
| keys to work because the text area was active, the active cursor was
| in the text entry box.  It is more of a problem if one is not using
| a mouse.
|
|
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|
|  55) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 8:08:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| As for the connection stuff ... sheesh we do have problems there.
| Can you do anything online at all, which is to ask if you do infact
| have a connection? Send me a copy of your config.log and I'll 
| see if I can figure this out. Your're a epppd man IIRC ? 
|
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| 56) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 8:10:27 pm 
|
| ray>
| HTML code you say? Well, I didn't change any HTML anywhere --
| don't know how it works ;-)
| Which pages? And this is different in my core from Glenn's??
|
|
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| 57) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 8:13:45 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I repeat, the ppp.log indicates a connection...it even
| has the IP address. You can't get IP address without a connection,
| right?   No, I am using LSPPP for connection.
|
|
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|
|  58) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 8:19:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, but never mind what is says, do you in point of fact get any 
| action? Like are you using it now? If so and you are an lsppp
| guy then the next question is do you use lsppp.cfg or the
| keyword options? Hmmm, I am such a doughboy when it comes to 
| diagnosis, that's Glenn's genius.
|
|
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| 59) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 8:24:13 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   My arachne isn't working. I have to send you the config.log
| by email.  I'll send it now.
|
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|
|  60) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 8:27:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| OK, standing by ...
|
|
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|
| 61) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 8:34:38 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I forgot my PW is in that config.log....please make sure it
| gets destroyed.   Thanks! <ggg>
|
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|
|  62) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 8:42:26 pm 
|
| gregy>
| NOTE to all - I won't be too OnlineActive for a few days while I deal
| with the effects of this "Alberta Clipper" the Canucks dumped down on
| us....<g g g>
| ...
|
|
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|
| 63) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 8:45:42 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    What effects?
|
|
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|
|  64) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 8:49:53 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy, sorry about that, I hope your bannana's aren't killed :-)))
|
| Eric, a replacement is on it's way, if that doesn't work, let's try
| using lsppp.cfg.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 65) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 8:51:23 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, and I never even noticed the p.w. BTW, that's another good 
| reason to use lsppp.cfg -- your password stays in there and will
| never be part of config.log
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 66) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 8:54:19 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      Email PW is in config.log also! 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 67) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 9:07:30 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      ONLINE in LR corner is now replaced by time on line but
| links still do not connect.....google will not load.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  68) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 9:19:16 pm 
|
| ray>
| That's with the config.log I just sent to be used as arachne.cfg?
| It does sound like you are connected, so what else could it be?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 69) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 9:20:46 pm 
|
| ray>
| Are you using the 'full length' arachne.bat? If not, do so, 'cause it
| has a lot of error checking built in.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 70) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 9:24:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| Love it! Just went to download email and there's a 6MB file there so
| I just 'skipped' it, got the rest, checked the sender and subject of
| the big one (party .jpg's) and know what's there next time.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 71) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 9:30:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| I wonder if it's cache.idx? Make sure that is being created in
| you .cache directory, it's suposta be automatic now but maybe there
| is some problem with that
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 72) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 9:36:58 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I had a working setup of  1.85  and all I did was insert
| and replace with your files.  I never changed my arachne.cfg .
| What is different in your setup using the connection info?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  73) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 9:36:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| Mailman's beadtime, g'nite gentlemen.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 74) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 9:40:57 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Cach.idx is there in x:\arachne\cache
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  75) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 9:45:19 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Nuts, it's been a while since I was working in that department,
| but there shouldn't be much to go wrong. I'd try that config.log
| I sent as your .cfg. Mind I changed your %MYIP% to BOOTP and that
| could be it. Best to try using lsppp.cfg, that is so superior to
| trying to use Arachne's internal methods. Oh, heres' an idea,
| using lsppp.cfg try to connect from the comand line:
|
| lh lsppp.exe
|
| making sure all your connection info is in lsppp.cfg -- if that works
| then wer're on to something.
|
| my lspp.cfg:
|
| /d:6046788350
| /M:at&fs7=90s11=50
| /n:2
| /B:115200
| /U:randrews
| /P:xxxxx
| /V:60
| ; Slow!
| ;/N:199.60.229.130
|
| make your settings as appropriate and it should work.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 76) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 9:47:13 pm 
|
| ray>
| you use x:\arachne\cache ???
|
| Didn't I see in your .log that you are using \cache as your
| ...
|
| hmmm, do you use drives up to 'X:' like me?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 77) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 9:50:18 pm 
|
| ray>
| Beddy by
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 78) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 10:08:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Not on this computer....x: is an "unknown".....in my setup d: <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  79) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 11:03:39 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    There is something about your core that will not let me 
| link to any internet webpages.   The lsppp.cfg fixed nothing.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  80) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 11:18:06 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I am writing this with Arachne with your setup except I
| only replaced your core with Glenn's 1.85 core and then everything
| works fine.....all links connect and download webpages.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 81) Mon, Dec 05, 2005 - 11:25:36 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     If this core is working in your setup then you have
| changed something you have not told me about.  The problem is
| in the core or something it is looking for that I don't have. 
| Unlike my mother, I can't feed a baby without a baby bottle.
| Something is missing.   <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 82) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 4:19:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Well then the connection isn't the problem for sure, I change cores
| with an existing connection all the time, so that's settled at least.
| I think you're right, something is missing but I'm at a loss. Did you
| try that .log I sent as a .cfg? Na, probably woudn't change anything
| since connection doesn't seem to be the problem. And you are using
| the full size .bat but there's no error message? ARACHNETEMP is set?
| I'll try to duplicate your settup -- a ramdisk isntalation and then
| copy in the same package I sent you and see what happens.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 83) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 4:42:17 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Are you able to connect OK using older versions of Ray's core.exe
| but just not with this newest one ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 84) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 5:06:50 pm 
|
| ray>
| Good question, why didn't I think of it? <;-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 85) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 5:27:29 pm 
|
| ray>
| Well, I copied a virgin 1.87 to ramdisk, copied in the package I 
| sent to Eric and my lsppp.cfg and here I am :-/
|
| No mysterious missing files needed so what could it be??
| Some 'obvious' <heh, heh, heh> problem? Some ... sheesh, I dunno :-(
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 86) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 5:31:22 pm 
|
| ray>
| ... and now here I am with the above but the 1.87 core.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 87) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 5:33:56 pm 
|
| ray>
| now back with my core again :-(
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 88) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 5:45:50 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Send me a zip of your core you say works for you, just to make
| sure were using the same core.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  89) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 6:14:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Could it be the 'lsppponly' stuff ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 90) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 6:54:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| I think I just figured that it's IP_Address.
| When I set it to %MYIP% I get Eric's symptoms -- seems to be connected
| but nothing downloads, but BOOTP works fine.
|
| The 'lsppponly' stuff is off by default anyway and things should behave
| exactly as before. With it on ... (nut's I keep meaning to rename
| that keyword) it just means that you specify a connection batchfile
| like:
|
| Connection myconn.bat
|
| and Arachne just runs it period and does not try to cobble together
| an argument string for lsppp or epppd from keywords. IMHO, no 
| fuss no muss no BS, just create a batchfile and Arachne runs it.
| No pretending that she handles connection, just an honest batchfile.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 91) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 6:55:38 pm 
|
| ray>
| I should call it 'NoBSConnection' ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 92) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 7:01:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| IMHO,
|
| There is one major flaw in that plan.
|
| It is now up to each user to create that batch file.
|
| And jsut as you don't know diddly about writing HTML....
| many, many users don't know diddly about writing batch files.
|
| That's why Michael put that stuff into core.exe to begin with.
| Core writes the batch file for you.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 93) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 7:08:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| Nope, not a flaw, cause the older code is still all there for the
| faint of heart.  I hear you vis. the beginner not knowing what to
| do, but IMHO (notwithstanding the older method still being there)
| an appropriate connect.bat could be created by a separate wizard
| instead of a pile of code having to sit there in core all the time.
| Or I'd say a decent howto could explain the whole thing in 10 minutes.
| Me, the scales were not dropped from my eyes until I realized that
| all that connection stuff is *not* done by Arachne, only then did
| I understand things clearly. Sheesh, I wish I'd learned how to use
| lsppp.cfg far sooner than I did. Anyway I'm in no hurry to cut the
| old method for now.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 94) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 7:12:05 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now as to %MYIP%
|
| That setting will only work if your current IP address is actually 'set'
| in the MYIP environment variable.
|
| If ip-up.bat is not getting run... the env. variable won't be getting set.
|
| So........
|
| Eric,
|
| Use 'set<enter>' at the DOS command prompt to see if
| your current IP address is in the MYIP variable.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 95) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 7:15:41 pm 
|
| ray>
| there's always a tension between helping the newbie get started
| and helping the newbie to become adept. The windows way is:
|
| Gee Bill, this is so easy, thanks for doing all my thinking for me,
| even if it means I'll never be able to do anything different from
| what you know is best anyway.
|
| The DOS way is:
|
| Gawd, this is hard to learn, but if I stick with it I'll be the
| true master of my machine ... where's that superb manual ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 96) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 7:17:51 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ah! ip-up.bat you say.  Hmmm that sets of an alarm bell in my 
| nogin. Did I break it? BRB
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 97) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 7:21:09 pm 
|
| ray>
| Nope, I didn't break it, still there in the old method which is the
| default. So what creates or modifies it?  I never can remember any of
| this suff <:-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 98) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 7:22:08 pm 
|
| ray>
| Anyway, can't that information be entered into lsppp.cfg?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 99) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 7:35:12 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yes, it can.
|
| But the 'IP_Address %MYIP%' setting in arachne.cfg still requires that
| the MYIP variable be set.
|
| lsppp.cfg does not do that.
|
| I'll check to see if lsppp.exe itself does.
|
| BRB
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 100) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 7:45:56 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, Glenn,     I checked for MYIP in environment the 1st thing.
| It has been my opinion all along that when Arachne behaves this way
| it is because the IP is not being found or used.   I have always had 
| MYIP in my environment.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 101) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 7:47:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK, lsppp.exe creates ip-up.bat with the needed info for setting the
| env. variables.
|
|
| But it is now upto arachne to run that batch file via 'calling' it from
| $roara$.bat
|
| In addition... the %MYIP% setting is cacse sensitive
| (%MYIP% not %myip% nor %MyIp% etc... etc)
|
| Also..........
| When using the %MYIP% setting, we must also have at-least one DNS in arachne
|
| I am using lsppp.exe/lsppp.cfg/ip-up.bat right now.
|
| I ran lsppp.exe from the commnd prompt.
| I then ran ip-up.bat from the command prompt.
|
| My settings in arachne.cfg are as follows.
|
| [tcp/ip]
| IP_Address %MYIP%
| IP_Grab IP address set to
| NameServer 68.22.80.3
| AltNameServer 68.22.80.4
| Gateway 0.0.0.0
| AltGateway 0.0.0.0
| Netmask 0.0.0.0
| TCPconfig PPPTCP.CFG
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 102) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 7:56:40 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      With your setup fixed so it doesn't work(download webpages),
| try to link to your ISP webpage.  I couldn't remember mine ISP address
| when I was set up with your core.  The IP address isn't needed to
| connect to your own ISP.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 103) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 8:00:35 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Just now dialed/connected using miniterm/epppd
|
| This is the (undelete), ip-up.bat created by core.exe
|
| set myip=4.252.89.213
| set remip=209.247.21.177
| set netmask=0.0.0.0
| set peermru=1500
|
|
| This is the (undeleted), $roura$.bat
|
| @MINITERM.EXE>PPP.LOG
| @if errorlevel 1 goto skip
| @lh epppd.exe>>PPP.LOG
| :skip
| @if exist IP-UP.BAT call IP-UP.BAT
| @echo PPPD status: IP address set to %MYIP%>>PPP.LOG
| @arachne.bat -o
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 104) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 8:12:42 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh yeah, one more.
|
| This is pppdrc.cfg which was also created by core.exe
|
| 115200
| irq 4
| base 0xb800
| modem
| crtscts
| asyncmap 0
| namsrv 68.22.80.3
| namsrv 209.244.0.3
| user "glennmcc@cisnet.com"
| passwd "*****"
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 105) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 8:36:43 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, Glenn,    I just removed MYIP from env.  with an *.ook and then
| tried to connect to my ISP address.  I couldn't! So, there must be a
| flaw in my theory!  It worked before when I was having problems.
| Anyway, with no MYIP in envir. Arachne behaves similar to the
| setup with Ray's build2k core. However, MYIP is in the envir. when
| Ray's core doesn't work.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 106) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 8:43:14 pm 
|
| Eric>
| I just noticed something I think is important....with Ray's core
| Arachne will not even load a page listed in the URL box EVEN IF
| IT IS IN THE CACHE !
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 107) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 8:52:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Maybe the problem is associated to changes you made
| when switching the cache.idx around.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 108) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 9:29:29 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| That's possible, but then why do I have no problem except with
| %MYIP% even when I'm switching cores back and forth? What happens
| if you try using BOOTP? I'd like to try getting my core working over
| there by any means at all, then reverse engineer it to find what is
| up with the discrepancy with mine vs. Glenn's.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 109) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 9:33:08 pm 
|
| ray>
| I get ip-up.bat and all those set's too.
|   
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 110) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 9:34:46 pm 
|
| ray>
| ... and I'm using 'lsppponly'
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 111) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 9:37:01 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Turned the computer off, so my ramdisk instalation is gone so can't
| check for connection to ISP just now, but that's a neat trick 
| you mention, didn't know that.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 112) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 9:43:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| It don't work for all ISPs.... only those who are operating their own
| DNSs _and_ have those DNSs setup to auto-load the front page of the ISP
| without actually 'looking up' the IP address  for it from the DNS
| database.
|
| CisNet used to have theirs setup that way, but no longer do.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 113) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 9:49:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| I just tried %MYIP% and
|
| NameServer >> what %MYIP% was set to, but it didn't work because 
| that number keeps changing (dynamic DNS??)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 114) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 9:52:51 pm 
|
| ray>
| nope can't get %MYIP% working nohow. Did I break it? BRB.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 115) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 10:01:24 pm 
|
| ray>
| Nope all there, but that won't work with lsppponly anyway.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 116) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 10:05:09 pm 
|
| ray>
| G'nite Gents, mailman's bed time. 
| And the boss is implementing my station re-design tommorrow so
| gotta be alert (might have to run very fast, with very little notice
| if something goes wrong with my plans ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 117) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 10:05:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| %MYIP% == your current IP address (which is most likely dynamic)
|
| NameServer == IP address of the DNS server (which is static)
|
| Try using %MYIP% in arachne.cfg
|
| And try using the CisNet DNS addresses
|
| NameServer 68.22.80.3
| AltNameServer 209.244.0.3
|
| You must hangup, and then dial/connect with these new settings in
| Arachne.cfg for the changes to take effect.
|
| That's the only (easy) way to get ip-up.bat created with the needed stuff
| to be set in the env variables and to have the needed settings written
| into pppdrc.cfg
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 118) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 10:28:23 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I don't understand how you get BOOTP to work. I thought
| that only works with WATTCP.  My wattcp.cfg file doesn't have my
| IP address in it so how can BOOTP work?
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  119) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 10:48:43 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Rya,     After connecting with BOOTP in my arachne.cfg, I have
| a file $ROURA3.BAT in my d:\arachne\ directory which says:
|  set MYIP=10.9.11.168 which is my old IP... in my environ. my IP
| is 10.9.11.6 which is my current IP found in my IP-UP.BAT.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  120) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 11:16:15 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Sorry I changed you name in the last post. <ggg>
| Continuation of last post: My WATTCP.CFG has my old IP in it,
|     my_ip = 10.9.11.168
| Something isn't right. I also cannot download any webpages.
| Your core acts differently than Glenn's in all situations I've tried.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  121) Tue, Dec 06, 2005 - 11:49:15 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I tried substituting some of your other cores and they
| didn't work either. I tried the cores below:
| .           core 185:B6-a:1a
| .           core 183:B6   
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  122) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 5:00:36 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...okay...this is the first time I have heard you describe these
| symtoms for this bug.  I'm deducing that you just now have experienced
| it.
| ...therefore...those cores all worked before....so...what are you doing
| now, that you weren't doing back then..??
| ...
| To put another way....what are you doing now that you weren't doing then
| ...???
| ...
| Now, suggestion #1....fireup/launch one of your previous installs and
| getting it working just fine, THEN, swap-in one of the new cores that
| do not now work....what is your result....???
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 123) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 5:24:54 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,      I'm using the files Ray sent me and I tried to set them up
| the way he asked it to be done. I don't have any trouble getting Glenn's
| cores to work with everything Ray sent me but Ray's cores don't work.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 124) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 5:31:54 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,     Ray's cores act like they aren't using the IP address
| but the IP address is in the environment and other files where
| it should be.  Also, Ray's core doesn't even load the page if
| it is already in the cache from a previous download with another
| core.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 125) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 5:45:22 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,     Ray's other cores never worked before with the new files
| that Ray sent along with the new core.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 126) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 5:51:27 am 
|
| gregy>
| Okay...then it's something in the new package that Ray sent with his
| new cores...
| ...
| hmmmm....can you do ALT-F2, find an .HTM file on your disk, click on it,
| and display it...???
| ...
| I presume that you can/could do that, otherwise your Arachne pages would
| not display....but...I just have to ask that...
| ...
| I think I read that you were connecting using LSPPP....does EPPPD do the
| same thing...(not work, I mean)...???
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 127) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 6:52:08 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    Im don't know. I use lsppp because I couldn't get epppd
| to work when my ISP "upgraded".
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 128) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 7:04:58 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   That's a good idea for Sam H.'s problem. What would you
| use to scan the disk?  Or slow down display?  I was going to ask him
| if he tried CTRL-S to pause the display.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 129) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 4:36:05 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| working backwards ;-)
| 'slowdown.com' by Bret Johnson is a beauty. The documentation is
| a work of art. As for scanning the disk there are dozens of 
| disk scan utilities but I find Nortons old 'diskedit' to be
| very complete.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 130) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 4:41:50 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Thats better. But do you see her picture cut in half horizontaly?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 131) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 4:46:07 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric
|
| I think the cache reload might be easy to explain. Try setting
|
| CacheIndex [your cache path]\cache.idx
|
| That way Glenn's core and mine will both be looking at the same
| cache.idx; mine is there automaticaly, but Glenn's will be in your
| Arachne root directory unless you say otherwise.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 132) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 4:52:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I dunno how BOOTP works, but it works ;-).
|
| Here's my whole connection:
|
| AutoDial Y
| Lsppponly Y
| IP_Address BOOP
| Connection @lh lsppp.exe>PPP.LOG
|
| As far as I know, that's all I need, everything else is
| automatic. If the above doesn't work then God knows :(
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 133) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 4:53:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| OH, and of course lsppp.cfg must be used for the above.
|
| Oppps, not 'BOOP' but 'BOOTP' ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 134) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 4:58:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| Now, you say above that you have $roura3.bat in d:\arachne.
| Isn't that your install directory? To what directory is
| ARACHNETEMP pointing? That's where any roura's should be.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 135) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 5:02:49 pm 
|
| ray>
| One more thing for now, check 'roura.log' in your main arachne
| directory, it has all sucessful roura.bat's logged there. If you try
| the above settings in arachne.cfg, then when you try to connect, you
| should see the results in roura.log.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 136) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 5:26:24 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmmm, it seems I don't even need to run ip-up.bat to connect just
| fine and all those sets, including %MYIP% aren't needed, here anyway.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 137) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 6:52:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Quite correct that you don't need anything else when using BOOTP
|
| You only need to run ip-up.bat when _not_ using BOOTP
|
| IIRC, The way BOOTP works is that it gets your IP from your ISP every
| time you request a remote resource.
|
| The BOOTP/DHCP system is built into WATTCPLG.LIB and since we compile
| that into core.exe.... we gots it built into core.exe
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 138) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 6:56:07 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I don't know how $ROURA3.bat got in my d:\arachne directory....
| but it's there.  It only has one line which is "set MYIP=10.9.11.62".
| The time/date on it is last night....so....it isn't being used now.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  139) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 6:57:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Here's the screen output from starting a telnet session which configures
| itself via BOOTP
|
| Clarkson University Tcp Communication Package
| Clarkson University Terminal Emulator [CUTE:2.2D/TC-D]
|
| Alt-H presents a summary of special keys
|
| Packet driver (Linksys LNE100TX Fast Ethernet Adapter (LNE100TX v4) )
| Class 1 Type 14 Version 1 Extended 1
| My Etheraddress: 0:4:5a:45:55:9d
| Sending BOOTPs: (Press <SPACEBAR> to give up.)
| .Valid BOOTP Packet ReceivedBootP: Reply from server  IP [0.0.0.0]
| BootP: My IP [68.252.131.119]  Gateway IP [0.0.0.0]
| BootP: RFC1048 Style BootP Packet Received
| BootP: Subnet is 255.255.255.0
| BootP: Adding Nameserver number 1 IP 192.168.0.1
| BootP: Adding Gateway number 1 IP 68.252.131.120
| My Ethernet address: 0:4:5a:45:55:9d
| My IP address: 68.252.131.119
|
| Keyboard type is extended.
|
| Server mode, press ESC to exit or ALT-A to begin a session
| ICMP:   Echo requested (ping requested)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 140) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 6:59:09 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I seem to be able to load pages from the cache now.....but...
| I still can't load new pages from the internet with build6.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  141) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 7:00:00 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| I'll start NOS so that you can confirm that IP address.
|
| http://68.252.131.119/
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 142) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 7:05:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Did you try those settings I sent? If they don't work I'm stumped.
|
| Glenn,
|
| Sorry, what do you mean?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 143) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 7:06:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Confirmed..........Someone just grabbed the front page.
|
| 21:00:07  - NOS eznos (80386) (DOS Solutions) was started (availmem=326640)
| 21:04:02  206.172.95.83:1026 - HTTP #80: GET / HTTP/1.0
| 21:04:24  - NOS eznos (80386) (DOS Solutions) was stopped (0)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 144) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 7:12:31 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glenn,   I just tried to start a telnet session....pressed T....got
| a blank page.....no activity visible.....pressed ALT-F3....no immediate
| response....thought I was locked up....pressed ESC.....finally Arachne
| returned with Title: Arachne load error and page blank.   I just pressed
|  T with Hotlist loaded.....got blank page....pressed ALT-F3...no
| response...pressed ESC....Hotlist returned.  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 145) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 7:15:28 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   As far as I know I tried all settings you have sent me.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  146) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 7:25:23 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     If you had an installation program like Glenn's or at least a
| SIMPLE step by step directions for a sure way of converting Glenn's
| setup to your setup, it would help. That readme file you included has
| important info but doesn't really provided an easy step by step procedure
| to assure we testers are setup exactly the way you want us setup using
| the files you provided to us. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 147) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 7:27:16 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| I am assuming that you _have_ already installed telnet.apm in the
| currently in-use install of Arachne.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/apm/
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 148) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 7:34:19 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glenn,     Yes....I was doing that with Ray's core.....I now have
| your 1.85 core in place and I get the same listing as you posted,
| ending in press ALT-A to begin session. <ggg>   I pressed ESC and
| returned to my hotlist.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  149) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 7:41:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK, Ray........ what did you break ? <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 150) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 7:44:33 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Was that you or Ray who grabbed the front page from my computer while
| my NOS server was running ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 151) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 8:09:32 pm 
|
| ray>
| What do you mean 'grabbed'? I logged on to have a look.
| As for what I broke, that's a good question. Whatever it is, it
| isn't a problem here or for Vladimir.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 152) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 8:12:16 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glenn,  I didn't grab any front page.....I did click on the URL to your
| apms in #147 above.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  153) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 8:12:41 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yeah, I know it's a bit raw, but making an install that works is
| what we're doing, the nice doc comes after this. Anyway, this is what
| happens when I go too long without a test from one of you guys.
|
| Eric, can you get the last of may cores that worked for you running
| again? At least that would be a place to work from. If those
| don't work either, then maybe it's nothing I've changed but something
| in Glenn's distro, or something local to yourself.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 154) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 8:16:13 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,  I just read an interesting article in Readers Digest for Dec.'05
| about a plane crash in Montana south of Glacier Park. Have you read it?
| It's titled "Dead Ahead".
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  155) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 8:20:09 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I already tried...but I'll work on it....got to take a break
| for a while now.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  156) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 9:45:01 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| grabbed == logged on to have a look
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 157) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 11:01:53 pm 
| URL
|
| Eric>
| Is anyone familiar with this site that recommends Arachne?
| http://www.geocities.com/disk_operative_system/treasure.htm
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  158) Wed, Dec 07, 2005 - 11:05:30 pm 
| URL
|
| Eric>
| Is anyone familiar with this site that recommends Arachne?
| http://www.geocities.com/disk_operative_system/treasure.htm
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  159) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 1:37:08 am 
|
| Eric>
| I do NOT know why #158 happened.
|
| Ray,    I downloaded SLOWDOWN.COM from the website in #158 and installed
| it as TSR on my Arachne machine.  It worked nicely at first....but now
| I can't uninstall it and it no longer is working. I guess I'll have to
| reboot. <:-(  My guess is a conflict with xSwap.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  160) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:23:24 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...I haven't read that Readers' Digest article...but...is that
| accident referred to the one that happened to the Forest Service plane,
| that was flying firefighter-supervisors over a fire, or something like
| that..??
| ...
| If so, I know the story, it was carried/covered widely here in MT, and
| I'm well familiar with that crash area....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 161) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:32:04 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric....that's Bruno Castro's (reset00) geocities page.  He's got lotsa
| interesting stuff on there.  He's also doing some very good work toward
| enhancing/using the APM functions of Arachne..
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 162) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 5:41:28 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   The plane was carrying 4 USDA forest service employees and
| the pilot.  The plane burned up & only 2, a man & a woman survived.
| They were left for dead and had to walk out themselves. The plane
| crashed in the Big Bear Wilderness. The plane had taken off from the 
| Glacier Park Airport.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  163) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 5:41:29 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   The plane was carrying 4 USDA forest service employees and
| the pilot.  The plane burned up & only 2, a man & a woman survived.
| They were left for dead and had to walk out themselves. The plane
| crashed in the Big Bear Wilderness. The plane had taken off from the 
| Glacier Park Airport.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  164) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 5:44:16 am 
|
| Eric>
| Shoot, somehow I got duplicate posting again. I don't know why.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  165) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 7:01:22 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Here's one more idea :-/ 
|
| Connect with Glenn's core, confirm you're hot, then ALT+X leaving
| the connection going, then swap in my core but leave all the other
| files alone. That works here and it's the simplest senario. If it works
| then we've got a starting point, if not, then at least it narrows
| down my search for what the problem is.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 166) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 7:03:32 am 
|
| ray>
| Oh, is that 'slowdown.com' the one by Bret Johnson? Make sure, cause
| there are a few that use the same name and some are crap.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 167) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 7:04:57 am 
|
| ray>
| This Bruno Castro guy ... how come we don't know him?
| Maybe he only keeps repectable company? ;-))
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 168) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 12:37:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Yes,  SD.com is Bret Johnson's ver. 2.0 , if I remember
| correctly.  I'll try the core swap later. <ggg>  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   169) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 12:42:32 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    About the core swap....you told me before that your core wouldn't
| work without your support files that you sent with it.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  170) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:23:01 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yes, I did say that but it's not that it shouldn't load it's that
| some error messages won't be available. We've just got to get 
| things a simple as possible to figure this problem out ... ah
| but now I must contradict myself, the file keywords.cfg must be
| copied to your main arachne directory or my core won't run at all.
| And I'd be interested to hear if any previously sucessfully run
| cores of mine will work.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 171) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:33:20 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| For those 'double posts'
|
| Were you by chance visiting here using Opera and hit the 'reload' button ?
|
| If so, that's a known bug in Opera.
|
| BRB
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 172) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:37:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK, I'm here now using Opera v8.5 on SlackWare Linux v10
|
| After making this post, I'll hit the reload button at the top of my screen
| instead of the 'Send/Refesh' button under this textarea.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  173) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:37:17 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK, I'm here now using Opera v8.5 on SlackWare Linux v10
|
| After making this post, I'll hit the reload button at the top of my screen
| instead of the 'Send/Refesh' button under this textarea.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  174) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:37:40 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hey Gregy,
|
| Do you want to give this a try? Gotta find out what this problem is
| and if anyone gets it fired up anyhow, that's the beachhead that
| I need to figure this out.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 175) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:38:19 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| See ???
|
| That's the BUG <ggg>
|
| We need to alwayys use the 'Send/Refesh' button on this page iotself... not 
| reload button in Opera.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  176) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:38:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| Some bug! How is it that they can't fix that? Sheesh Arachne is soooo
| much more robust ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 177) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:39:19 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I just now hit thew 'Send/Refresh' button several times.
|
| No double posts.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  178) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:40:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| <bump>
| Hey, what can we say?
|
| We are just a hell-of-lot better programming team than those 'hacks' who wor
| Opera. <ggggggggggggggggggggggggg>
|
| </bump>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  179) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:41:09 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| <bump>
| Hey, what can we say?
|
| We are just a hell-of-lot better programming team than those 'hacks' who wor
| Opera. <ggggggggggggggggggggggggg>
|
| </bump>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  180) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:41:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Did _that_ one on purpose 'cause that statement NEEDED to be repeated. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  181) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:42:41 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I'm shutting down this crap and going back to Arachne. :))
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  182) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:45:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That's better... I'm here now with Linux Arachne v1.66
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 183) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 4:49:18 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| And now back to Arachne in DOS
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 184) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 7:42:57 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glennmcc,          No, not Opera....M$IE. <ggg>  I can use this while
| I'm looking at my Arachne machine and futzing with test stuff. I use
| this mostly without mouse and sometimes I forget that I'm not using Arachne.
| occasionally I do something that works in Arachne but
| not with this. I probably did something I shouldn't do that created those
| double posts but I don't know what. <ggg>  That is one of the things that
| irritates me the most that this M$ stuff changes things magically and
| is inconsistant in its behavior. A key press does something....then....
| it doesn't do that but something else....or nothing at all.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  185) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 8:50:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| When one uses M$hit software.......
|
| One gets what one deserves.
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 186) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 9:29:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yup, even when one must use windows, there's Firefox and Opera.
| I won't trouch IEX to save the farm.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 187) Thu, Dec 08, 2005 - 9:56:02 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hey, I just invented a good word: 'trouch' ... to touch something
| that will give you trouble and make you go 'ouch!'
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 188) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 12:00:46 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Now I know why I can't get your cores to work....I've had
| experiences with word inventor types before....they always know
| what they mean with their disconbobilated verbage but the rest
| of us get sidetracked while we're trying to translate and decipher.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  189) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 12:06:29 am 
|
| Eric>
| BTW guys, where is VBM.  He hasn't posted lately....I hope he's all right.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  190) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 12:57:40 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I had working 1.85 Arachne....ALT-X....added your keywords.cfg to
| d:\arachne\...then...replaced 1.85 core with your core from build2k.zip.
| I typed arachne and pressed enter and got "Abnormal Arachne Termination.
| Please reboot system and/or restart Arachne.   Sooo....I copied
| ara-fast.bat to d:\arachne....typed ara-fast...pressed enter....
| Arachne started....I pressed ALT-D....got "bad command...abnormal terminatio
| (as above)...typed ara-fast/enter...got"error loading font file:
| system\fontinfo.bin (free memory left = 321648)...back at DOS prompt.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  191) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 5:06:56 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric....yes...that is the plane crash I thought you were referring to..
| ...remember, this is Montana, and we all know everything about each
| other, and everything that happens in the state......<g g g>
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 192) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 5:09:33 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...Bruno Castro is "reset00"...he posts to the boards...although not
| to this one, or the ADEV board, 'cause I've deliberately kept those 
| sorta quiet...we want them to be semi-private.....
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 193) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 12:27:37 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Greg,   I don't know too much about Montana...the last time I was there
| I was somewhere between 7-12 years old. We camped in Glacier Park. My
| mother, brother & I were sleeping in our car/camper/'47 Chevy. My father
| decided to try out his WWII war surplus jungle hammock. I bet you can guess 
| rest...The garbage cans were in the ground with step-on lids which the bears
| loved to open and stick their heads into. Well in the middle of the night, D
| wanted back into the car...A bear investigating the garbage cans had walked
| under his hammock and Dad could smell & feel
| the bear's bad breath. That was the first and last time Dad ever used that
| hammock! 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 194) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 2:25:34 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     With your cores for some reason when I click on a link,
| instead of getting the URL for that link at the bottom of the
| page in LL corner, instead I get a description of your core
| version and build number.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 195) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 2:28:10 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I think the problem lies in the arachne.cfg file.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 196) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 2:31:30 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Since Your arachne.cfg, the config.log, and Glenn's arachne.cfg
| are setup so different, it is very hard and time consuming to compare
| them.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 197) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 2:34:36 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Right now the cursor is a big plus sign with Glenn's 1.85 core but
| an arrow with Ray's core.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 198) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 3:11:01 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| You can change that via the 'Options/Prefs & Perfs' setup page.
|
| My core defaults to the 'DefaultCross' if the keyword 'CursorType' is
| missing from arachne.cfg
|
| Ray must have his defaulting to the arrow.
|
| Or perhaps he changed the keyword in arachne.cfg to something different
| from 'CursorType'
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 199) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 3:16:00 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glenn,    I'm using his config.log as arachne.cfg right now for testing
| so maybe his config.log doesn't pickup your 'CursorType'
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  200) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 4:23:49 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Now we've got a scent to follow -- those errors above are
| something to chew on.
|
| The 'Abnormal Arachne Termination' message happens when Arachne
| can't find $roura$.bat. But that message only lives in Glenn's
| arachne.bat, none of my .bats has it, you should get:
|
| Arachne had a problem running $roura.bat$ ....
|
| Anyway, this looks like an %ARACHNETEMP% problem. Try using my
| 'long' arachne.bat, it should give you the message above and 
| also check 'roura.log' and see if it has any commands in it.
|
| The differences between our .cfgs aren't that great and most of
| my changes will work with their defaults anyway so I don't think that's
| it. Yes, my core defaults to the arrow, I hate that cross!
| As for system\fontinfo.bin, is it there? If so, then we seem to be
| having a paths problem.
|
| My core does show version information on the status line when 
| it has nothing better to do, that's done to increase the lenght of the
| Title line, which was Joe's idea.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 201) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 4:27:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| The thing about config.log is that the information it contains is
| always in the same order no matter how you organize your .cfg so it's
| a piece of cake to compare two different configurations with VC.EXE,
| all the changes are made easily visible.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 202) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 4:33:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric, what happens if you type in a URL for a local file?
|
| file://c:\autoexec.bat ??
|
| ... or if you click on a WWWMAN local file?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 203) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 4:39:23 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      I can't use your arachne.cfg so I can't get a config.log
| from your arachne.cfg
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 204) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 4:40:44 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I get files in cache and local files like Hotlist OK
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 205) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 4:45:50 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Sorry,   disregard #190...I had a bad arachne.cfg when those
| errors occurred.  Pay attention to posts after that ONLY.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 206) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 5:02:56 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      BOOTP DOES NOT WORK FOR ME.   I don't know why but I have to
| use %MYIP% .    I don't think the problem has anything to do with
| ISP connection anyway, but I thought I would try to setup like your
| arachne.cfg with BOOTP. When I did that neither your core nor Glenn's
| core worked.  I can't get either of your cores(Build6a or Build2k) to
| work so I think it has to be something in the use of the auxillary
| files causing the problem, not the cores.  IMHO I think you may have
| changed too many parameters before getting things tested by others.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 207) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 5:11:44 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  Might I suggest again that you give me precise instructions on
| how you need things setup/changed in my setup to make your cores
| work.  In the back of my mind I keep thinking that I had to add 
| something to Glenn's arachne.cfg to make your cores work but I
| can't remember what.  I know it was never just a simple change of
| cores.   Can you send me a working config.log from your setup with
| Build6a?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 208) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 5:50:14 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I'd give precise instructions if I knew what they were ;-)
| You are quite right, the reason we are in this fix is that it's been
| too long since you ran one of my cores, so it's damned hard to
| figure out where I went off the rails. One thing is for sure, you
| shouldn't use my arachne.cfg, it won't work for sure since it has
| my directory paths in it. You should use your normal arachne.cfg
| and my 'long' arachne.bat. Above you reported trying to Alt+D after
| swapping cores, but what happens if you connect with Glenn's core,
| then Alt+X leaving the connection open, then swap my core and .bat then 
| restart? You don't need to Alt+D 'cause you're already connected, or
| should be, anyway. Meanwhile, I'll see what I need to do here to
| get a MYIP connection happening, then at least we'll be working from
| the same page on that.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 209) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 5:52:42 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I can change paths to mine. Send your config.log more important,
| I can't make your config.log
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 210) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 5:55:35 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  I don't think the %MYIP% connection has anything to do with the
| immediate problem....send me your config.log....remember to remove
| passwords, etc.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 211) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 6:04:18 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Why can't you send me precise instructions?  Tell what files
| I need and exactly where they have to go and send me those files.
| Don't send any extra information, "just the facts, Ma'am...Just
| the facts"!   <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 212) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 6:26:40 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ok, after dinner ...
|
| BTW I can't get IP_Address %MYIP% to work with my core or Glenn's ...
| go figure :-(
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 213) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 6:28:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| Please correct me if I'm wrong.
|
| 2 files should need to be 'swapped' to go between our cores.
|
| core.exe and arachne.bat
|
| All other files (including arachne.cfg), _should_ be compatible with both co
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 214) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 6:30:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| In-fact.... should not your arachne.bat be compatible with my core.exe ?
|
| If so, then all Eric needs to do is to use your arachne.bat with both cores.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 215) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 6:32:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As for not being able to get IP_Address %MYIP% to work.
|
| Are you using miniterm/Epppd ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 216) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 6:46:12 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glenn,    I am using arachne.bat of Ray's with both cores.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 217) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 6:49:35 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glenn,    I don't think that's true anymore since he added new
| keywords and a keyword config file.  Anyway, I tried it and it
| didn't work....that's why I'm asking for precise directions and
| his config.log.  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 218) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 6:56:20 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Yeah, that's about it. The file 'keywords.cfg' is needed because
| that's where I park the keywords themselves, to get them out of
| memory, and the *.ah and *.ah! files are obviously not essential
| to anything. The .bat has lots of added error messages, but your're
| right, my bat should work with your core without any problems, it's
| just more bloated than it needs to be.  I'm using lsppp for everything,
| is MYIP only for miniterm/eppd ? But if that's the case, then how
| can Eric be using it OK when he's using lsppp? 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 219) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 6:58:56 pm 
|
| ray>
| And, in the secondary box ('Profile' etc. etc) at the bottom right,
| for 'Local IP' I always have '0.0.0.0' even when I'm connected just
| fine. Seems like a rather poor info display IMHO.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 220) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 7:02:08 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| The 'fact's' are that I don't know that the facts are <g g g>.
| The reason you can't connect with my core is as much a mystery to me
| as to you, but some shapes are emerging from the fog. When I try
| to use lsppp with %MYIP% I get your symptoms -- no HTTP even though
| everything else seems OK. BUT I can't get Glenn's to work neither.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 221) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 7:10:04 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glenn,  Ray,    I feel I've tried so many things now that maybe I'm
| making the same mistake over and over.  It acts similar to a refusal
| to use the IP or get the IP...but...the IP seems to be in everyplace
| it's supposed to be. Since Ray's version info is displayed on the 
| status line when I click on a web link it indicates a shutdown
| of the webpage download system at that point...because it is either
| not finding something or not using something correctly....which could
| be because something is missing or in the wrong place.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 222) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 7:24:51 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    You may have hit on a hint....when I am connected with
| Glenn's core and I ALT-M then my IP numbers are shown in the LR
| corner...but when I switch to your core Build6a, NO OTHER CHANGES...
| STILL THE SAME CONNECTION...then with ALT-M I get in LR corner
| "local IP    %MYIP%".   I still have the same connection and
| same IP....why doesn't it display the number with Ray's core.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 223) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 7:47:19 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Did anybody else just see the kid who was CEO of M$sft for a day
| on TV just now.  Boy,  That W.G. is really a great guy! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 224) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 8:06:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| I think I've got it ...
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 225) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 8:12:53 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    If your default cursor is different than your standard
| cursor, it could help make debugging easier by indicating
| a cursor malfunction.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 226) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 8:17:35 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Don't keep it a secret....what have you got....the bird flu?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 227) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 8:18:19 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yes, I have it. A booger.
| Mind, %MYIP% still doesn't work here, but not with Glenn's neither,
| that's why I couldn't try it out anyway, but Eric, you hit it:
| my core didn't show the proper IP string and Glenn's did which is the
| needed clue. And this is an old bug, goes back to the start of base5.
|
| New core in the wire Eric ...
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 228) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 8:41:41 pm 
|
| ray>
| Bad lines right now ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 229) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 8:48:50 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  Did you eliminate the trash button from the email viewing
| page...now I can't delete my emails!  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 230) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 8:53:28 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  That must be exasperating....Like when I sit here during the
| day cursing at my ISP because the downloads are soooooo slow that
| the browser gives up.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 231) Fri, Dec 09, 2005 - 10:04:05 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Did you guy's see the talking bear rug on Jay Leno....It kept
| shouting: "I can't feel my legs...I can't feel my legs".
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 232) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 8:56:22 am 
|
| ray>
| It wouldn't send on my main machine, just now uploaded it via the 486,
| nuts I hope it's not a failing modem, they are getting hard to find.
|
| Trash button you say? Leme check ...
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 233) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 9:01:04 am 
|
| ray>
| You mean 'Empty Trash' ? 
|
| It works fine here.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 234) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 9:03:43 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| If what I just sent works let me know ASAP and I'll add some error
| checking for no IP, so hopefuly this sort of crap won't happen again.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 235) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 9:15:48 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I mean the TRASH button at the top of the page so I can put
| the email into TRASH.  It is no longer there....where did it go?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 236) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 9:30:31 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  I just got 2 emails from you...both with build2o.zip attached.
| Are they both the same?  Did you know you sent it twice?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 237) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 9:54:19 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Here's what I did:
|
| 1. Had v1.85;GPL,386+ running and connected to ISP
| 2. ALT-E
| 3. Changed to your justsent core
| 4. Exit
| 5. Got error messages: Error reading   added to hotlist:
| .                      File not found, file longer than 256 lines or out
| .                        of memory
| .                      unable to initialize video mode - trying again...
| .                      Press any key to continue...
| 6. Pressed space bar....same message returned.
| 7. CTRL-BREAK
| 8. Changed back to original working core.
| 9. typed Arachne...Enter....Arachne started...still connected...I am
| .    writing this message.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 238) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 9:59:54 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     This is sent using your just sent core.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 239) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 10:06:29 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      I replaced your core...same as above...except ALT-X instead of
| ALT-E....got same result as above...except...1st line of error message
| read:  "Error reading keyword.cfg".
| 1. I added keyword.cfg to d:\arachne\
| 2. Typed Arachne....and here I am
| 3. I never disconnected from ISP
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 240) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 10:11:33 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Just tried your mail thingy....
|
| 1. started mail download
| 2. ESC
| 3. Got your error message
| 4. Waited 10 seconds
| 5. Got Inbox
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 241) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 10:39:07 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      I cannot dial in with your justsent core.  I had to use
| Glenn's core to dial in and connect to ISP.   With your core I get
| no response to ALT-D and then dialing error page comes up and retries
| dialing in 10 sec over and over and over and over and over....
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 242) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 10:43:05 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     With Glenn's core or with your core I still have lost
| the TRASH button from the email reading page at the top. It used to 
| be the second button.  Is there some setting in arachne.cfg
| that would make that disappear?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 243) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 11:22:19 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Well, we're making progress. This has been a trail of tears and I
| sure apreciate your patience.
|
| The trash button ... I didn't change a thing there, it's generated
| by insight and it all works fine here. I  can't even imagine what
| could change that.
|
| Rodger the double send. I sent using my main machine and it hung just at
| '100%' but I assumed it had aborted just at the very end, so I resent.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 244) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 11:25:20 am 
|
| ray>
| Ok, so you can connect with my core but not dial, this should be
| easy enough.
|
| As to the 'trash' button thing, no there's no option that can change
| that in either of our cores (Glenn correct me if I'm wrong), so some
| wierd thing must be happening with insight or with mail paths or
| something like that.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 245) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 11:39:14 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Please try this:
|
| use lsppp.cfg, here's mine:
|
| /d:6046788350
| /M:at&fs7=90s11=50
| /n:2
| /B:115200
| /U:randrews
| /P:?????
| /V:60
|
| Now, to the top of your arachne.cfg add this:
|
| lsppponly Y
| Connection @call connect.bat
| IP_Address %MYIP%
|
| Finaly, create 'connect.bat' with this content:
|
| @ lsppp.exe>PPP.LOG
| @if exist ip-up.bat call ip-up.bat
|
| This otta work. Basicaly all that happens is that my core will
| execute connect.bat when you press Alt+D, and that batchfile should
| do everything that's needed and then return you to Arachne.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 246) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 11:42:38 am 
|
| ray>
| BTW,
|
| Don't think of that as an 'error' page, one might want to stop the
| downloading or skip a big message, so it's not necessarily that an
| error has occured ... hmmmm, should I break up that message into two?
| one for spontanious aborts, one for user ESC? It would be easy to do
| and maybe more informative.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 247) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 12:19:08 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I'll try your suggestions shortly.  I'm watching the Wowman's
| Super G at Aspen on TV.   Their running it on the hills I used to 
| ski down.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 248) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 12:44:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| Even a tester gets some time off ;-)))
|
| In the mean time I've added that error checking, now if the IP address
| is not set for whatever reason, you'll get the ppp error page. The
| code was surprisingly sloppy on that point. Also, for us BOOTP folks,
| instead of the 'IP Address 0.0.0.0' message you get 'IP Address BOOTP'
| which is a bit more comforting IMHO.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 249) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 12:58:36 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    It doesn't dial...I added all that stuff...acts the same! <ggg> 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 250) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:17:06 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      "Danger Wil Robinson....Danger Wil Robinson..."
| The spirits are lurking...It just connected...I repeat...
| It just connected...Somethings spooky here!
| I didn't do anything...just made a pit stop...came back...I was in DOS...
| I typed Arachne...Pressed ALT-D...Arachne dialed and connected !!! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 251) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:17:27 pm 
|
| ray>
| Tarnation! 
|
| Can you hear your modem when it dials?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 252) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:19:13 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Yes,  I call hear it dial just fine!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 253) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:19:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| Well we're getting hot.
| Beware the lurking ppp.log, if it's there and isn't properly deleted,
| she won't want to redial until you delete that file. You could put
| '@if exist ppp.log del ppp.log' into connect.bat just to be sure.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 254) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:21:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| Maybe this is one of those things where you have to hold your tounge
| in your mouth exactly the right way <g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 255) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:23:28 pm 
|
| ray>
| Sometimes, just to blow the cylinders out, I start Arachne, quit, and
| restart just to make sure that she's sorted herself out before trying
| to redial if something ain't right -- works most of the time.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 256) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:23:33 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Why does it need all that stuff to dial?
| BTW, I went in to watch more of Aspen skiing and they switched
| to that damn golf stuff!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 257) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:29:39 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, I just checked the online.log...It says I've been connected
| for about 100 yrs.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 258) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:32:30 pm 
|
| ray>
| There's a philosophical shift at work there. As we know, Arachne
| herself does not dial or connect, she uses lsppp/epppd/miniterm etc.
| to do that. As Glenn was saying a 
| few days ago, Michal designed Arachne to be able to sort of fake it,
| ie she takes keywords and uses them to cobble together the contents
| of a dialer batchfile then executes that to connect you.
| The trouble is, as with Windows, tho it seems very user friendly,
| you'd better hope that what you want to do is in keeping with the
| built in ablities of the code.
|
| Me, I much prefer the honest approach, though it's a bit less 
| friendly. With lsppponly Y, my core, just looks for a batchfile that
| the user creates (connect.bat above in this case) and runs it and
| the batchfile does the whole thing. No mystery, you can even run the
| batch file from the command line and then start Arachne and all should
| be well. I like it because it produces a smaller core.exe and 
| eliminates about a dozen keywords and let's you tailor your connection
| to your own needs.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 259) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:33:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| That file should be deleted every few centuries ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 260) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:37:32 pm 
|
| Eric>
| BTW, They have been showing the BBC program "Fawlty Towers" on our
| PBS station lately with your friend from Monty Python. Darn funny
| show! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 261) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:38:12 pm 
|
| ray>
| There are about a half dozen folks who use my core and all of them
| eventualy use 'lsppponly Y', it's scarry at first but much better in
| the long run.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 262) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:39:24 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ah yes, British humor, it is the one and only thing they still do
| better than anybody. Then there's the French who think that Jerry
| Lewis is funny <barf>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 263) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:43:09 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Maybe the reason that it wouldn't dial before I created the
| last few files is that I already had lsppponly Y in arachne.cfg. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 264) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:47:53 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I don't see anything scary about lsppponly....I have been
| using lsppp for a long time now...one just needs "The facts...
| Ma'am....Just the facts". <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 265) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:54:32 pm 
|
| ray>
| That's what I think too, but I still keep the older code around.
| Actualy it works with mineterm+epppd too or anything you want. I think
| I'm gona write a nice howto and be done with the old method.
| The only thing needed is 'connection' and 'IP_address' in arachne.cfg.
| Everything else is in lsppp.cfg or in the connection batchfile.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 266) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:56:19 pm 
|
| ray>
| I'll check with my co-developer Vladimir and see what he says.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 267) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 1:58:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| Thanks again Eric, that wasn't fun but a bug has been found and I made
| it a bit more robust in the process.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 268) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 2:17:05 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Well Ray,   We'll keep running it....we'll see how robust it is! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 269) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 4:17:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yup, There are whole areas of Arachne that I don't use so can't 
| really test. Vladimir and I are confident that we've shaken most of
| my bugs loose but as we just found out, there may be more.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 270) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 4:50:59 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| FYI,
|
| Joe fixed the 'Empty IP address' problem.
|
| --- at the bottom of guitick.c ---
|   x_line(x_maxx()-147,y,x_maxx()-4,y);
| //!!JdS 2005/08/16 {
| //Fix the useless "0.0.0.0" IP address info. display ...
| //  MemInfoLine("Local IP",myIPstr,0,&y); //original line
|   sprintf(str,"%ld.%ld.%ld.%ld", my_ip_addr>>24, (my_ip_addr>>16)&0xFF,
|               (my_ip_addr>>8)&0xFF, my_ip_addr&0xFF);
|   MemInfoLine("Local IP",str,0,&y);
| //!!JdS 2005/08/16 }
|   lastinfo=0;
|  }
|
|  mouseon();
|
| #endif
| }
| __________________________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 271) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 5:38:05 pm 
|
| ray>
| Beat me to it ;-)
| But I like my way better.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 272) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 6:02:46 pm 
|
| ray>
| What do we need MODE_PPP and MODE_WATTCP for?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 273) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 7:16:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| MODE_PPP == IP_Address PPP == look for IP address in ppp.log
|
| MODE_WATTCP == IP_Address WATTCP == look for IP address in wattcp.cfg
|      (or what ever file is shown in this arachne.cfg line...
|
| TCPconfig PPPTCP.CFG
|
| ;IP_Address PPP      ... for PPP.EXE and PPPD.EXE (get address from PPP.LOG)
| ;IP_Address WATTCP   ... use ONLY values from TCPconfig (variable "my_ip")
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 274) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 7:55:12 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I was away from computer for a while, arachne loaded,
| shelled out to dos, I came back and entered EXIT and I got a
| xSwap error...at line 404 in onmouse.c...Illegal xSwap...could
| not initialize video...
| 1. I pressed any key...got Video setup page
| 2. I pressed H...got Hotlist
| 3. I ALT-D'd and connected to ISP
| 4. I linked to this Testor's Board & am writing this
|
| Running Arachne with Ray's latest core. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 275) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 10:09:06 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   This xSwap thing is recurrent, just got the same error and
| response as in #274 above.  This time it happened in conjunction
| with keystroke to return from screen saver.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 276) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 10:14:19 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Ya, I know that, but who needs it? Why would one want to look for
| IP info in ppp.log when arachne has to write that anyway? Sounds
| a bit convoluted, as for the WATTCP, sounds more complex, but again,
| who needs it, when and where?
|
| Eric,
|
| XWAP eh? Damn! I never get those anymore, I'll check it out.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 277) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 10:36:36 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| This could be something that only happens with mouse free opperation
| which, again, I wouldn't bumb into, so it could be serious, but you
| said you had video mode trouble so I'd suggest deleting your
| arachne.pck and restarting which will force setup, then choose 
| an apropriate video mode and see if that fixes it. My arachne.pck 
| and Glenn's should be identical in function, nevertheless I have
| on many occasions needed to delete it while switching cores tho I 
| have no idea why that is.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 278) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 10:39:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Just to see if I can duplicate things, what's your video mode and
| screen style?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 279) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 10:43:53 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I did not say I had trouble with video mode....I gave you
| the error message on the screen....The video is still working fine...
| I get that error every time on key press return from screen saver.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 280) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 10:44:29 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, and just to be sure, delete config.dat too to force a rebuild of
| that.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 281) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 10:45:56 pm 
|
| ray>
| But you are getting an error message regarding video right?
| That's still not kosher.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 282) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 10:48:41 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Why am I supposed to delete all these things...Arachne is still 
| working fine...the video is default setting 480X600 or whatever
| it is (I keep getting the exact numbers mixed up) it's the one
| below 600X800
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 283) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 10:55:27 pm 
|
| ray>
| Those files are rebuilt all the time anyway, no problem to delete them.
|
| So you're using 480 x 640 then and which style?
|
| Now was the exact message:
|
| Unable to initialize video mode. Press CTRL+BREAK to quit .... ?
|
| It's important, because it helps make an exact match with what's
| creating the message and some are similar but not identical.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 284) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 11:03:42 pm 
|
| ray>
| Bed time.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 285) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 11:06:36 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  video is 640X480  512kb  256 colors....But I don't understand
| the concern with the video so much...the xSwap is my concern 'cause
| that screws up memory.    I have not been changing cores. I have had
| your core in since it started working with no switching. I don't know
| why it should be related to no mouse use...mouse or no mouse I return
| from screen saver by pressing a key...usually the spacebar.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 286) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 11:10:51 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    The exact message is what I posted...exactly...<ggg>...
| I copied it off the screen so it would be exact...I used my other
| machine to do the posting.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 287) Sat, Dec 10, 2005 - 11:15:11 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I do my best to give you "The facts...Ma'am...just the facts".
| Just like Sgt. Friday asks!  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 288) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 12:39:35 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Here is the last return from screensaver:
|
| Memory allocation error - Illegal xSwap operation at line 138 of file HTML25
| !
| Trying to deallocate xSwap...
|
| Unable to initialize video mode - trying again ...
| Press any key to continue . . .
|
| EXACT COPY OF ERROR DISPLAYED ON RETURN FROM SCREENSAVER WHEN SPACEBAR PRESS
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 289) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 9:35:27 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Well, errrr, 640x480 or 680x440, ... I can't remember it neither ;-))))
|
| And thanks for the accurate messages, I won't question it again.
| Some think it's a relatively trivial thing, but it aint! I've spent
| hours trying to track some message down only to find that I've made
| a spelling mistake in the string I'm searching for :(
|
| Now let me just go find those ...
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 290) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 9:48:06 am 
|
| ray>
| Hmmm ... that exact string only exists in my archieval arachne.bat's.
| It is not present in the arachne.bat I sent you (unless something
| has gone horribly wrong).  In the .bat I sent, the message is:
|
| Unable to initialize video mode. Press CTRL+BREAK to quit, or
| any other key to try again ...
|
| Can you confirm? Sounds like some files are mixed up.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 291) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 12:04:49 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I didn't know that message came from the Arachne.bat file.
| The first part about xSwap comes from the core, doesn't it?
|
| I was using an old Arachne.bat that got loaded because I was trying
| to get the BUILD6a working.  I have switched to the BUILD2K  arachne.bat
| now.  I don't think the arachne.bat had anything to do with the xSwap
| error though.  The xSap error doesn't happen in the same place every
| time. The location of the xSwap error keeps changing with each
| occurance. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 292) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 12:19:12 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Ok, that's cool. You're probably right that the XWAP error is unrelated,
| but it's good to get rid of the fog of other issues. Did you delete
| arachne.pck? It's just another way of eliminating stray posibliites.
| The fact that these errors always show a different location is 
| very interesting. Clearly something is screwed up in memory. I assume
| you're Alt+X'ing not Alt+E'ing, the latter is questionable. What are
| your memory use numbers in the box on the ... nuts, you probably can't
| see those if your using 640X480, that box doesn't show. Well if it does,
| what sort of Free DOS mem and XMS and xSwap numbers are showing?
| If you do have a mouse, can you get these errors when you use it?
| Just trying to eliminate the chance that this is something to do with
| keyboard ... na, it won't be that.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 293) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 12:21:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| Does a reboot help? If your XMS is contaminated it would foul up your
| XSWAP and only a reboot would solve that.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 294) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 12:33:44 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric, when you run Arachne you do a full instal every time right?
| Why not just get things running in ramdisk, then zip the whole show
| and when you have your next session all you have to do it copy the zip
| to ramdisk, unzip and you're off and running? Also, that way you can
| have several running versions all ziped seperately with whatever
| files they might need. It would save you having to re-customize my
| stuff every time.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 295) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 12:36:59 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    New error message on return from screensaver:
|
| Memory allocation error - Illegal xSwap operation at line 420 of file IEKERN
| !
| Trying to deallocate xSwap...
| Type 'arachne -u' to terminate SLIP/PPP connection.
|
| EXACT COPY OF ERROR DISPLAYED ON RETURN FROM SCREENSAVER WHEN SPACEBAR PRESS
|
| USING ARACHNE.BAT FROM BUILD2K.ZIP...the last one I received.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 296) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 12:50:13 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   There is always something being changed.  The setup is
| not the problem as long as I have "The facts...Ma'am...just the facts".
| When things aren't working...then...things get changed from the
| original setup in an attempt to get back on track.   Right now I'm
| using an arachne.cfg that is nothing like my desired setup...it is
| changed to much of your setup.  I have virtual screen working which
| I don't like and never use, for instance.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 297) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 1:35:42 pm 
|
| ray>
| Right, so your .cfg isn't what you like. Anyway, the previous 
| graphics msg. is gone? That's something. But it still sounds like
| your memory is corrupted. If a reboot doesn't help then you're probably
| right, there's something in the .cfg. I'd start working back towards
| your prefered .cfg and see what happens. Now that the %MYIP% bug
| is gone, I'd say even the older connection stuff should be ok, but
| you might leave that till last. If you want, send me a copy of your
| latest config.log and I'll compare it with the first one you sent and
| see what I can sniff out.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 298) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 2:01:32 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    @#$&!  I keep forgetting about the secrets in that file! <ggg>
| Please make sure they get squashed! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 299) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:16:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| You know, I've got to make that automatic! I'll do that as soon as
| we get my core working over there. IIRC Arachne already has automatic
| password killing.
|
| BTW, Thanks to you I just fixed another small mistake, not a bug 
| per se, but deffinitely an oversight. That handy dandy message I 
| added when there's not enough xms for your GIF's didn't display 
| in all situations where it should.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 300) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:24:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| This almost surely is not the problem, but you have:
|
| IP_Address %MYIP%              g
|
| Note the trailing 'g'!
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 301) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:31:01 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Strange thing....that xSwap error doesn't happen with
| some pages on display when the screensaver activates. When the
| ARACHNE PACKAGE MANAGER is displayed, after telnet.apm runs, then
| I don't get xSwap error. But...when this board is displayed then
| I always seem to get xSwap error when I return from screensaver. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 302) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:31:27 pm 
|
| ray&gt;
| Nuts, your settings work fine here on my main machine and my 486,
| all I did was change the paths. I Alt+Z to screensaver then any key
| returns me just fine. How much memory do you have? My 486 is 16MB, 
| about normal for those.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 303) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:35:14 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmmm, is this always related to screensaver? Maybe you should try
| fooling around with that, disable it or something. Oh, and "of course"
| (that word again ;-) you always kill your cache just to make sure
| there's not some balloney happening there?
|
| I thought if might be virtual screen size but that seems not to
| change anything.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 304) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:35:40 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    When xSwap error occurs now it always exits Arachne...so...
| I have to restart Arachne every time with 'arachne'.  This always
| loads the telnet.apm in my setup so that page is displayed often.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  305) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:37:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| I wish I could get your Free xSwap, you can't '+' to 600x800 eh?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 306) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:40:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| Don't suppose there's any chance of that being faulty. you could try
| another DiaPage just to see. But why would that affect the screensaver?
| Yeah, disable that screensaver just to remove it from suspission.
|
| God, I wish I had Glenn's talent for this sort of thing :(
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 307) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:40:25 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    YES,  I have been saying it seems to be related to the 
| screensaver all along. I keep repeating that...it's the only time I
| get the xSwap is on return from screensaver...so...of course(that word)
| if I disable the screensaver, how can I get the xSwap error?  
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   308) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:43:12 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    hang on...I'll get the free xSwap for you.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 309) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:45:03 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, I took that just as an incidental remark not as a firm clue.
| Well just try disabling it, and/or changing the style and the timer,
| Then we're hot on the trail. Once I have a deffinite YES/NO that some
| keyword setting is the cause, the cure should be easy. I smell blood.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 310) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:46:03 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Free xSwap = 1774 KB....Used xSwap = 144 KB
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  311) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:49:10 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hey! That's more free than I've got <ggg>. Nothing wrong there.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 312) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:50:53 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I changed the time...set it to 1 for testing purposes....
| behaves the same way.  I think it may be cache related since it
| occurs when it has to call things from the cache.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  313) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:55:39 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yessssss, that makes perfect sense! Now, lemesee. You have:
|
| CachePath d:\arachne\
|
| Hey, isn't that your main arachne directory?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 314) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 3:57:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| <bonk on side of head>
|
| Yes, not the screensaver but the call to cache afterward!
|
| </bonk>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 315) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:00:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| But, if there was something wrong with cache, then the history list
| wouldn't work, no? And the '<' and '>' arrows would crash too, no?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 316) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:02:25 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I haven't changed my cache path for yrs....
| it's    d:\arachne\cache....enter.....puts me in the cache.
|
| .        d:\arachne\cache\headers  gives me the .htt's     
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  317) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:04:07 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| _that_ has got to be a mistake.
|
| If such were the case,
| F8 would delete the entire contents ofArachne_main..... including core.exe
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 318) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:04:39 pm 
|
| ray>
| Well, according to your .log its "D:\ARACHNE\" no mention of "\cache"
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 319) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:05:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric beat me to it. <g>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 320) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:05:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Right you are, but that's what his .log says.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 321) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:06:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hmmmmmmmmmm,
|
| Seems to be a problem in the CONFIG.LOG code then, which is not 'logging'
| the correct info. <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 322) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:06:49 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Just looked up at Arachne computer and the screen is just a bunch of
| random colored pixtels.   It happened after I got a message at the bottom of
| page that the gif setting for animation was too small.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  323) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:07:14 pm 
|
| ray>
| We don't have a rougue space do we:
|
| CachePath d:\arachne \cache
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 324) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:08:16 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Are those pixells 'in motion'... or are they 'stationary' ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 325) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:09:32 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ahhh... might be onto something there.
|
| Also... does the path end in the trailing '\'
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 326) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:10:54 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| RTFM
|
| All paths are pre-configured to the 'defaults'.
| Alter as needed if you installed to any other drive:\dirname\ than C:\ARACHN
| Note: Paths must end with '\' and must exist.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 327) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:11:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| That at least should be easy to fix, just increase xms4allgifskb to
| say 1000, assuming you've got enough memory.
|
| Glenn,
|
| It's possible there's a mistake but it's very unlikely since that
| code processes all the strings exactly the same way and I've not seen
| a mistake yet. Let's see what Eric confirms his CachePath is.
| It there was a mistake, it would be in the initial parse of the 
| keyword, not in it's printing into config.log. But almost all my
| paths have ... BRB
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 328) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:13:13 pm 
|
| ray>
| It ends in a '\' AFAICT. Let's see what Eric comes up with.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 329) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:15:27 pm 
|
| ray>
| Thought it might be the double subdirectory, but I just changed that
| here and it's not problem.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 330) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:15:42 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Every twenty sec. or so a trace passes from top to bottom of the screen
| very slowly...my guess is it's stuck in the screen saver and the video
| is screwed up and drastically slowed down as sometimes happens.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  331) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:15:44 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Kewl..... not meaning to step on anyone's toes.
|
| Just trying to get the facts ma'am... just the facts. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 332) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:18:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| I've seen that too, but I can't remember when or what.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 333) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:19:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ah HA !!!!
|
| 'trace passes from top to bottom.........'
|
| Sounds  to me as if you recently visited a 'framed page' that was all FUBARE
|
| This screws-up XSWAP something terrible.
|
| <frameset rows="100,*,*">
|
| '*' == all the rest.
|
| You CAN'T have 2 all the rests.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 334) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:20:48 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Hey Guys,   Gotta go shovel snow.  I'll leave it like this and see what happ
| <gggg> 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 335) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:22:45 pm 
|
| ray>
| But a reboot would fix it.
| What page?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 336) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:23:25 pm 
|
| ray>
| Thanks Eric, I do think we're getting close.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 337) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:25:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| In the above example at 640x480
|
| The 1st * == 380 - top bars (title bar and URL bar) - bottom bar (status bar
| (roughly 380-25-25-20=310
|
| The 2nd * == the 1st
|
| Therefore the total is 100+310+310=720 == XSWAP overflow == FUBAR video
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 338) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:27:05 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| What page ? You ask....
|
| Your guess is as good as mine.There are litterally millions of screwed-up
| pages on the web which were palced there by "web page trashers".
|
| Thashers... not designers. :(
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 339) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:38:59 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ahhh...yes, Glenn, but...BUT...the problem is, that in their nasty
| pointed heads, they fancy themselves as "designers" and reFUSE to see
| that they're na'but trasher-thrashers...<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 340) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:47:53 pm 
|
| Eric>
| It just happened again....you said it couldn't but it did...
| I rebooted and installed Arachne and it wouldn't dial because
| lsppp is still installed in memory.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  341) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 4:51:08 pm 
|
| Eric>
| It was a warm reboot...CTRL-ALT-DEL
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  342) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 6:01:02 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      Why do my .tmp files now end up in my d:\arachne  dir. instead
| of the cache ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  343) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 6:44:29 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| That's just impossible, I'll eat my mail satchel otherwise, it's gotta
| be because ppp.log isn't being deleted which fools Arachne into
| thinking that she is still connected.
|
| As to your .tmp files, as I said a while ago, it looks to me very much
| like "D:\ARACHNE\" is infact your cache directory at least as far
| as my core is concerned. Please check this in arachne.cfg.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 344) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 6:47:31 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yes, there is some strange paths confusion going on here. A warm boot
| *must* remove everything from memory so either ppp.log isn't being
| deleted, or somehow, some way, it's being reloaded, or Arachne is
| looking in the wrong place for stuff. Config log says your cachepath
| is "D:\ARACHNE\" so we've got to figure that out before anything else.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 345) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 7:13:38 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I just lost a whole post...@$#%&*...Arachne froze on return
| from screensaver...Toggle LED's refuse to light on keyboard...I did
| RESET reboot...checked memory and lsppp was not there now...doing
| re-install now
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  346) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 7:16:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Please post this section of arachne.cfg
|
| [system]
| Hotlist \arachne\hotlist.htm
| History \arachne\!history.lst
| CookieFile \arachne\!cookies.txt
| CacheIndex \arachne\!cache.idx
| CachePath \arachne\cache\
| Cache2TEMP No
| MailPath c:\arachne\mail\
| DownloadPath c:\1recv\
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 347) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 7:38:15 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glenn,  Here it is:
|
| from arachne.cfg
|
| Hotlist           .\HOTLIST.HTM
| History .\HISTORY.LST
| CookieFile .\COOKIES.LST
| CacheIndex .\CACHE.IDX
| CachePath D:\ARACHNE\
| Cache2TEMP No
| MailPath MAIL\
| DownloadPath DOWNLOAD\
|
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 348) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 7:47:19 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glenn,     those paths are from a arachne.cfg originally generated
| by Ray's config.log.  I then spent much time inserting his data
| from his arachne.cfg, because Ray wouldn't send me his config.log. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 349) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 7:52:45 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gotcha.
|
| And this is the major malfunction.
|
| CachePath D:\ARACHNE\
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 350) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 7:56:32 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glenn,   But why are the *.htm files in d:\arachne\cache?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 351) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 8:02:14 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ah! so it *is* d:\arachne\ after all.
|
| Eric, please use your old .cfg!! Make those few changes I mentioned
| a few days ago vis connection:
|
| lsppponly Y
| connection @ call connect.bat
|
| And we'll make any other changes needed but the last thing you want
| is my .cfg trust me. For example, my .cfg uses 15MB for gif's and since
| I have 256MB of ram I use all sorts of other memory hungry settings.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 352) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 8:02:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| A glitch in the matrix ? <g>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 353) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 8:04:34 pm 
|
| ray>
| Man, it's a good thing Eric didn't take my advice vis. clearing the
| cache ... OTOH that would quickly have essablished the problem.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 354) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 8:05:09 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oppps, 60 minutes ... back in an hour ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 355) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 8:05:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| You got that right. ;-) <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 356) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 8:17:21 pm 
|
| Eric>
| I think the .htm's got in the cache when I first installed Glenn's
|  1.85 before installing Ray's stuff.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  357) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 8:43:57 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Hey Guys,   I just got the same xSwap error when I pressed spacebar
| to return to Arachne from the screensaver.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  358) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 9:21:03 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Ok, make sure your cachepath is fixed then kill the cache!
| Nothing means anything if the cache is corrupt.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 359) Sun, Dec 11, 2005 - 9:34:06 pm 
|
| ray>
| G'nite gents.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 360) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 6:15:41 am 
|
| vbm>
| Hi, All.
| at least I seems finish my 1.85... who want try it  - welcome to
| http://mvb.kbsu.ru
|
| you are know Greece, Hebrew, etc. and now try learn Russian...
| ;-)))))))
|
| Glennnnn, where can I take 1.87 distro?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 361) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 1:31:43 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Vladimir...well, I need to memorize the Cyrilic Alphebet, first..<g g g>
| ...
| Your pages are the way I LIKE pages....simply and quick...don'e change
| anything...
| ...
| What do you want us to do, with your 1.85...??  (BTW, I sent you that
| email before I followed your links and found your Arachne download page.
| ...so...I already, now,...know where your 1.85 is located...<g g g>
| ...
| So, what do you want us to do with your 1.85...???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 362) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 2:19:31 pm 
|
| ray>
| Well, I cut out all the PPP stuff on a trial basis, saves 2K of code,
| about 200 lines, and give 200 bytes more free memory. Let's see in 
| anyone can prove me wrong that PPP == %MYIP%
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 363) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 3:03:13 pm 
|
| ray>
| I just figured out how to make %MYIP% work here same as BOOTP
| It looks like a bug fix, but %MYIP% did work before for others,
| tho not me. I'll fool with it then post to AD
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 364) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 4:00:44 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| I can tell ya' for sure that you _are_ correct.
|
| IP_Address PPP == IP_Address %MYIP% (almost that-is)
|
| The difference is that the %MYIP% method saves a step.
|
| Since core.exe 1st gets the IP from %MYIP% and writes it into PPP.LOG
|
| By just using %MYIP%, we save a step.
|
| If I'm not mistaken, the same applies to 'IP_Address WATTCP'
|
| IIRC,
| The KLOSS dialer gets the IP from %MYIP% and writes it into WATTCP.CFG
| core.exe then gets it from WATTCP.CFG
|
| So again, by simply using IP_Address %MYIP% we are still getting the IP
| from the same initial source.... the %MYIP% env variable.
|
| Therefore... if we eliminate all of the code for getting it from either
| PPP.LOG or from WATTCP.CFG and then for backward compatibility simply
| make both PPP and WATTCP == %MYIP% ...... job done.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 365) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 4:29:46 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ummm...QUESTION...if everything around is "getting the IP" from %MYIP%,
| ...well...what is putting (SETting) the IP into %MYIP% in the first
| place.....????
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 366) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 5:00:07 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| core.exe creates, executes and then deletes.......
|
| --- IP-UP.BAT ---
| set myip=4.224.207.173
| set remip=209.244.31.10
| set netmask=0.0.0.0
| set peermru=1500
| ________________________
|
| just now undeleted it so that I could paste it into here.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 367) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 5:04:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Lsppp.exe creates an even more extensive copy of IP-UP.BAT
| which also sets the 'server assigned DNSs'
|
| set myip=4.252.92.156
| set remip=209.247.21.177
| set netmask=0.0.0.0
| set peermru=1500
| set dns1=64.136.173.4
| set dns2=64.136.164.76
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 368) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 5:22:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| That is about my assesment of the situation too.
| However, there seems to be a bug or some anomaly in the handling of
|
| 'tcpconfig ppptcp.cfg'
|
| I'm fiddling with it now and will report on AD.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 369) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 5:23:28 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hey Eric, you there?
|
| Or maybe you've died from too much testing ;-))))
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 370) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 6:20:42 pm 
|
| ray>
| Just confirmed identical behavior with Glenn's core: ppptcp.cfg
| don't work here even if all that' in it is "sockdelay 30"
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 371) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 6:21:32 pm 
|
| ray>
| I mean 'sockdelay=30'
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 372) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:10:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now here using 'IP_Address WATTCP'
|
| It works fine with 2 requirements.
|
| 1) must manually place the IP into PPPTCP.CFG by adding this line....
|
| my_ip=4.252.89.147
|
| (change to your IP)
|
| 2) must have at-least one DNS in arachne.cfg
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 373) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:18:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Just now switched to 'TCPconfig WATTCP.CFG'
| (renamed ppptcp.cfg to ppptcp.bac to be sure it can't get used)
|
| Still working fine with this wattcp.cfg
|
| #
| # To be used with Klos PPP - PPPWAT.EXE will modify this:
| # Nameservers can be defined in ARACHNE.CFG
| #
| netmask = 0.0.0.0
| gateway = 0.0.0.0
| #
| sockdelay=40
| hostname=arachne
| mss=512
| my_ip=4.252.89.147
|
|
| This is the PPPTCP.CFG I was using a few min ago.
|
| --- now ppptcp.bac ---
|
| #
| #The following are options specific to Arachne Waterloo TCP for PPP.
| #
| #IP address and nameserver MUST be defined in ARACHNE configuration file !
| #
| ############################################################################
| #Valid netmask for PPP.EXE and PPPD.EXE:
| netmask=0.0.0.0
|
| ############################################################################
| #Sockdelay allows you to specify a specific amount of seconds that Waterloo
| #TCP will attempt to connect to a remote computer, wait for data from a
| #remote computer, and wait to accomplish other miscellaneous networking task
| #The default is 30 seconds, but may be set longer if you have an especially
| #slow connection
|
| sockdelay=60
|
| ############################################################################
| hostname=arachne
| mss=1024
| my_ip=4.252.89.147
|
|
| --- current settings in arachne.cfg ---
| [tcp/ip]
| IP_Address WATTCP
| IP_Grab IP address set to
| NameServer 68.22.80.3
| AltNameServer 
| Gateway 0.0.0.0
| AltGateway 0.0.0.0
| Netmask 0.0.0.0
| TCPconfig WATTCP.CFG
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 374) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:30:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmm, so you can use a wattcp config OK, well why can't I? It's not
| core related. But as I said, even if it contains just one line, it
| won't connect. Nut's what could be the cause? Some system thing?
| I wonder if this is unique to me or if other folks' connection headaches
| are due to the same problem. Let me try in a virgin distro ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 375) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:33:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Does it contain these 3 required lines ?
|
| netmask = 0.0.0.0
| gateway = 0.0.0.0
| my_ip=4.252.89.147
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 376) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:34:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Do you have at-least one working DNS specified in arachne.cfg ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 377) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:37:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| I just used the stock one with the distro: ppptcp.cfg and 
| never fooled with it.
|
| Online now with a virgin 1.87 and the problem is the same.
| Here it is:
|
| #
| #The following are options specific to Arachne Waterloo TCP for PPP.
| #
| #IP address and nameserver MUST be defined in ARACHNE configuration file !
| #
| ############################################################################
| #Valid netmask for PPP.EXE and PPPD.EXE:
| netmask=0.0.0.0
|
| ############################################################################
| #Sockdelay allows you to specify a specific amount of seconds that Waterloo
| #TCP will attempt to connect to a remote computer, wait for data from a
| #remote computer, and wait to accomplish other miscellaneous networking task
| #The default is 30 seconds, but may be set longer if you have an especially
| #slow connection
|
| sockdelay=20
|
| ############################################################################
| hostname=arachne
| mss=512
|
|
| let me add those lines ... but not the my_ip right? The whole point
| is that we get that via %MYIP% or BOOTP
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 378) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:42:31 pm 
|
| ray>
| No change with gateway 0.0.0.0
|
| Trying DNS now ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 379) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:43:22 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As I pointed out... you must manually add this line to PPPTCP.CFG
|
| my_ip=4.252.89.147
|
| PPPTCP.CFG already has this line...
|
| netmask=0.0.0.0
|
| However, in the 'stock' WATTCP.CFG it is netmask=255.255.255.0
| and must be changed to netmask=0.0.0.0
|  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 380) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:43:37 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      I'm lurking....not dead...still busy trying to finish reading
| Glenn's directory listings on AD.  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 381) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:46:33 pm 
|
| ray>
| But that's your ip right? You ain't telling me to use that?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 382) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:47:32 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:let me add those lines ... but not the my_ip right? The whole point
| is that we get that via %MYIP% or BOOTP
|
|
| Nope... not when using 'IP_Address WATTCP'
|
| In this case it is taken from the file shown on the 'TCPconfig ... ' line.
|
| Just as with 'IP_Address PPP' it is taken from PPP.LOG
|
| If it's not in that file.... arachne can't fine it.
|
| Since arachne does not modify either PPPTCP.CFG or WATTCP.CFG
| we must modify it ourselves to add the my_ip= line.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 383) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:48:34 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope.. don't use my IP
|
| As indicated in post #372
|
| (change to your IP)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 384) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:49:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| If you connected using Lsppp ......... do a 'set' at the DOS prompt to
| find your IP and then add the my_ip= line to PPPTCP.CFG
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 385) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:51:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| If you'd like to see more... I can post the whole thing (unedited)
|
| <ggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 386) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:53:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| total files 1,894
| total bytes 183,731,374
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 387) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:55:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| Bingo, adding a NameServer in arachne.cfg did it.
| Now I've gotta figure out why. It's rotten that:
|
| BOOTP + ppptcp.cfg = OK
| %MYIP% + ppptcp.cfg = BAD unless NameServer is set.
| One file shouldn't apear to be the trouble if another thing really is.
| Back to my core ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 388) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 7:57:45 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ah!!! That's why BOOTP is set to ignore the .cfg file!! Cause with
| BOOTP you probably don't have any NameServer set.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 389) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 8:01:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| When we use BOOTP, we don't need anything at-all speced ahead of time.
|
| The BOOTP/DHCP protocol gets our current IP, our gateway, our netmask
| and out DNSs every time we request a remote file.
|
| On this DSL connection, my IP address was set to be re-assigned every 10min
| (that was the default)
|
| I just reconfigured and rebooted a little while ago after changing that
| default setting to a full 24hrs instead of 10min 
|
| BRB
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 390) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 8:02:01 pm 
|
| ray>
| Back with mine and she's OK :-)
| Another miracle cure for Dr. McC!
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 391) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 8:08:12 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope.... Dr. da Silva
|
| Dat's where learned dis stuff. :)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 392) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 8:09:34 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| My connection configuration page on this DSL modem.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/images/dsl.gif
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 393) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 8:20:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| If this works the way I _think_ it works....
|
| I've just now created a static IP of 68.21.134.39 for the next year
| by reconfiguring to 365 days.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 394) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 8:23:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gonna break 900 in a little while ;-)
|
| (number of hits to each page) 
| ar189 898 (since Nov 27, 2005)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 395) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 8:27:28 pm 
|
| ray>
| Now I see why being able to capture DNS from the set could be handy --
| that way my little problem above would be circumvented, there'd be
| no need to have a NameServer in .cfg 'cause it could be captured
| from the evironment, no? I see now that without a wattcp cfg, wattcp
| uses bootp automaticaly but if there is a .cfg it seems to then
| demand a DNS from the user -- counter intuative, but there it is.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 396) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 8:35:38 pm 
|
| ray>
| You want to cobble up that DNS from environment or should I?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 397) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 8:42:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As Joe said over on AD...
| IP_Address BOOTP is definately the 'prefered method'.
|
| No settings at-all need to be 'pre-configured'.
|
| IMO, the 2nd preference is to get all of them from the env variables.
|
| The only draw-back being that we must 1st 'set' those variables
| via IP-UP.BAT or some other method.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 398) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 8:56:05 pm 
|
| ray>
| BOOTP is obviously best, where it works. All of this is for those
| poor bastards who can't use it right? AFAICT the only reason not
| to grab the DNS from the envirionment is that in sittuations where
| it is changable, it would probably be a BOOTP situation anyway,
| n'est ce'pas? If I understand, one's own IP is always changing, but
| the servers DNS only changes if BOOTP is functional -- but what
| do I know ;-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 399) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 9:11:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| For now I just added an error check if not using BOOTP and no 
| nameserver is set, it's a stopgap but it would have saved me some
| grief.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 400) Mon, Dec 12, 2005 - 10:04:07 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| On line while dialed and connected with Lsppp.exe 
| with no problems at-all using these settings.
|
| [tcp/ip]
| IP_Address %MYIP%
| IP_Grab IP address set to
| NameServer %DNS1
| AltNameServer %DNS2
| Gateway 0.0.0.0
| AltGateway 0.0.0.0
| Netmask 0.0.0.0
| TCPconfig PPPTCP.CFG
|
| This is after adding 2 ... count 'em two lines to atcpip.c
|
|   value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"NameServer",NULL);
| //!!glennmcc: Dec 12, 2005 -- add NameServer %DNS1 capability
|   if(value && strstr(value,"%")) makestr(value,getenv("DNS1"),19);
| //!!glennmcc: end
|   if(value) _add_server( &_last_nameserver, MAX_NAMESERVERS, def_nameservers
| resolve(value));
|   value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"AltNameServer",NULL);
| //!!glennmcc: Dec 12, 2005 -- add AltNameServer %DNS2 capability
|   if(value && strstr(value,"%")) makestr(value,getenv("DNS2"),19);
| //!!glennmcc: end
|   if(value) _add_server( &_last_nameserver, MAX_NAMESERVERS, def_nameservers
| resolve(value));
|
|  }//endif tcp/ip
| }
|
| --- current pppdrc.cfg ---
| 115200
| irq 4
| base 0x3f8
| modem
| crtscts
| asyncmap 0
| namsrv %DNS1
| namsrv %DNS2
| user "glennmcc@cisnet.com"
| passwd "*****"
| __________________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 401) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 2:48:39 am 
|
| gregy>
| Now...HEAR me...I ain't complaining, but...are you guys gonna be able
| to find/reference all this DEV activity, after it's hatched it's golden
| goose...???....<g g g>
| ...
| I mean, this is all going on on the TEST board...<g>....I don't care..
| ..these boards are FOR your use...and we TESTERS' used (this board)...
| ...
| But...I'm seeing some "cutting edge" investigation and solutionizing
| going on here, and we may be getting some serious clarification and
| simplification out of this....so...have at it...I even think I'm
| following this.....<g g g>
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 402) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 2:51:29 am 
|
| gregy>
| Still, my question....CORE.EXE does NOT get/set IP/DNS originally...so
| ...just WHAT component FIRST grabs that from the ISP's server..??
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 403) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 2:57:34 am 
|
| gregy>
| Apparently, in LSPPP, the whole thing is wrapped up within LSPPP...is
| this correct.....???
| ...
| FWIW, IMNSHO...I prefer to see this split into discrete functions,
| rather than all rolled into one program/util (as it is in LSPPP)...
| ..therefore...
| I approve of keeping this chain:
| ISP--->BOOTP(or whatever)--->IP-UP.BAT--->%MYIP%--->CORE.EXE
| ...
| One thing we NEED to keep in mind, though is that we should specify that
| Arachne MUST be run with at least 1024-sized Environment....I mean, that
| is a good default, since we seem to need a little extra room in there
| ...and...with todays' boxes we don't really need to scrimp on ENV-size..
| ...
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 404) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 3:01:05 am 
|
| gregy>
| For the most part...I think that, if we can collect/organize/simplify
| these various, different "paths to completion" into ONE path, that works
| for all instances, AND is NOT all-rolled-into-one-trust-us-we-know-best
| (al la the "Micro$loth Way")....then we are not just "bytes saves" ahead
| ...but..."confusing complexity eliminated" ahead....
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 405) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 3:51:05 am 
|
| vbm>
| re 361:
|
| spasibo, Gregy.... I want testing that 1.85...
| since I too may add a bugs. ;-))))))))))
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 406) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 3:58:31 am 
|
| gregy>
| Well, Vladimir...I will go and download it, then, and try to use it just
| as I would use a normal english 1.85....is that okay...??
| ...what I mean is:
| 1.  I will get a normal english 1.85 installation working on my P133.
| 2.  I will install your russian 1.85 and get it working on my P133.
| 3.  Then, I will start swapping software components back and forth
| between the two, to see what the difference is.
| ...
| QUESTION - are your CORE.EXEs the Glenn-model or the Ray-model...I mean,
| will I have to swap-in Ray's ARACHNE.BAT and other things...???
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 407) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 4:00:04 am 
|
| gregy>
| Vladimir...I will go and download it tonight (Wednesday, 14 DEC )....and
| try to install it on Thursday night....along with an english-model
| 1.85....
| ..
| Is that acceptable...???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 408) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 4:00:51 am 
|
| gregy>
| Oh, and Vladimir.....bugs????....you????....not possible...<g g g gg>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 409) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 4:05:36 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...Ray...this current testing/debugging you are doing on Eric's
| BIG problem....I hope you are keeping some kind of rough notes on this,
| so that you can summarize it for later posting/reference...
| ....
| This kind of documentation may be very helpful for troubleshooting 
| future bugs..
| ..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 410) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 4:15:10 am 
|
| gregy>
| Re:  Standardized BUGREPORT format....I'm going to try to resurrect and
| expand/clarify Michael's original BUGREPORT ....I will get with you, in
| here, when I begin working on it...
| ...
| My wishful thinking is:
| 1.  Put a READ ONLY board up on AVA (with separate, unknown posting
| script)...
| 2.  Have all the BUGREPORTS filed/emailed to me (or a designated bug
| supervisor) then post each one on the BUGREPORT board (they will be
| automagically numbered, thanks to Glenn's expertise..<g>...)
| 3.  Have a standard format BUGFIXED Report template, and have that
| filled out for each bugfix.  Have these filed/email to me (or bug
| supervisor).
| 4.  Put a second BUGSFIXED board right next to the BUGREPORT board and
| post the cross-referenced BUGFIX reports on that board (also READ ONLY)
| ..
| Comment...???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 411) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 9:22:33 am 
|
| ray>
| Glenn, re 400, WARNING! We're thinking exactly alike -- that's
| just what I did too ;-)
|
| Gregy,
|
| As I see it now, the connetion program (lsppp.exe etc.) is what
| determines both IP and DNS, but those values must then be 
| fed to the wattcp code -- via %MYIP% or automaticaly via BOOTP.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 412) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 9:26:25 am 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| As far as Eric's labours go, I hope he hasen't given up, becuase I
| want to know what the heck is going on over there. I've got to
| make sure that I don't drift over the horizon vis. compatablity
| issues. I wish you'd give it a try because I need to have something
| working OK before I can isolate the problem.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 413) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 9:32:45 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,       Your "Bug Boards" sound like a good idea but a lot of work
| to put into practice and maintain. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 414) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 9:37:54 am 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, and we're muddling by ok as it is.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 415) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 11:25:09 am 
|
| ray>
| Hmmm, and note that ones wattcp config file is ignored with BOOTP,
| that's a bit rude would't you say? Let's fix that.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 416) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 1:20:45 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      I had a lockup of your setup when I pressed INSERT to
| download graphics. It happened after 200+bytes of download.  Don't
| know why.  Maybe because the arachne.cfg had your settings. I didn't
| get any error messages so I can't tell you more. I had to C-A-D since
| keyboard was still active.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  417) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 2:00:18 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| How's the screensaver problem? (First things first).
| When you have a lockup like that, try CTRL+ALT+ESC a couple of times
| before you reboot, is works most of the time.
| Try to get back to your own .cfg with just those few changes mentioned
| before, connection stuff, it should be ok, and if not I'd rather
| work from there anyway, becuase that's your known good setup.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 418) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 2:13:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| On line with "NameServer %DNS1% and IP_Address %MYIP% :-)
|
| Glenn, I did it a bit different, the envirionment variable used is
| open, not hard coded as with your "DNS1"
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 419) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 2:14:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, Eric, and what's hapended with that CachePath ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 420) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 2:54:51 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      The screensaver problem persisted even after I changed
| the cache path to d:\arachne\cache\.  I don't know how the cache path
| got to d:\arachne\ in the first place...I never chose it intentionally!
| The screensaver problem is sporatic.
| Where did CTRL-ALT-ESC come from ?  Is that a Ray addition?  I may have
| tried it. I always try various key combos before I C-A-D.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  421) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 3:00:13 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I don't like cache.idx where it is at end of cache.  I'm not
| sure I like it in cache at all, but it gets in my way especially at
| the end where I'm looking for the most recent download.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  422) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 4:09:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
| re: post #415
|
|
| No... that's not rude.
|
| BOOTP ignores all CFG files because with BOOTP no CFG files are needed.
|
| The BOOTP/DHCP system is specically designed to operate 'on its own'.
|
| No preconfigured values of any kind are used.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 423) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 4:14:50 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I miss the version name at the top of the screen! <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  424) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 4:19:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| See... I told ya so.
|
| Users _DO_ want the version number up there.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 425) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 4:20:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glenn,    You bet we doooo!!  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   426) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 4:43:53 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I also like ARACHNE at the top in big letters....even
| ARACHNE BROWSER...IMHO it's better advertizing than the rarely
| recognized logo in the UR corner.  <GGG> 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  427) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 4:45:05 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| That breakout key combo is from Joe.
| Still trouble with screensaver, nuts! I thought the cache thing
| would fix it. Have you moved back to your old .cfg? 
| This thing with cache.idx always in the cache, maybe that's a mistake
| and maybe it is somehow causing all this trouble. I'll undo it
| and send it to you.
| As for the Version up top, yeah, that's one of those things that 
| can't be argued, ya like it or ya don't. It just seemed logical to
| let the title be as long as possible. It can be change back of course.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 428) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 4:48:25 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn, the %DNS1%, gota love it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 429) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 4:58:36 pm 
|
| Eric>
| IMHO,    That nice little logo at the top of this page placed in the
| UL corner...and...ARACHNE ALL PURPOSE BROWSER across the top...or...
| Arachne Deluxe Browser...or ARACHNE CUSTOM BROWSER...or ARACHNE ELITE
| BROWSER...or...
| I mean the logo with the lightening, the animated one.  <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   430) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 5:02:45 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I'm running your core setup now on top of Glenn's 1.89 install.
| So far no screensaver errors.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  431) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 5:07:15 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ya Glenn,    I noticed that %DNS1% stuff too...looked like a good idea
| if it works.  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   432) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 5:10:31 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   As far as I'm concerned that title is usually superfluous....
| except on the porn pages. <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  433) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 5:17:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| IMO,
|
| The 'Title bar' should be completely eliminated.
|
| Does anyone ever _really_ look at the title anyways ??? <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 434) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 5:20:15 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Instead of the title, we should put the user agent up there.
|
| Here's mine........
|
| User Agent: xChaos_Arachne/5.1.91;UE11 (www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 435) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 5:26:09 pm 
|
| ray>
| NOBODY MOVE!!
|
| Eric, what, it's working ok? And what changed? That's what we've got
| to figure out. So maybe it's not something in my core per se, but some
| interactive thing. 
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 436) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 5:28:56 pm 
|
| ray>
| Remove the title bar you say? Radical! Worth thinking about anyway.
|
| Eric,
|
| I ain't going to figure this out from here, but if you can tell me
| what changed I'll be most greatfull.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 437) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 5:30:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| As for me, it always bothered me that the status line is at the bottom
| and the other lines are at the top. I think I do look at titles, but
| mostly track down the page.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 438) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 5:32:44 pm 
|
| ray>
| Or, the User agent, or the nice 3D 'ARACHNE' could be a sort of
| 'default' title, erased if there's a 'real' title but showing otherwise.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 439) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 5:48:32 pm 
|
| ray>
| Sitting here like Tookie Williams in the 'chamber' waiting for
| that reprieve -- Eric telling me that there's no more screensaver
| problems ....
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 440) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 6:25:24 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Please....read my post 430 carefully...It says:
|  I installed your setup over Glenn's 1.89 install.
| That's what changed......all the shifting... switching... etc. that
| I did to get your core working went into the ether when I had to
| C-A-D.  I didn't say "No screensaver problems", I said "no problems
| yet"!   It is now setup like I usually install Arachne, without that
| virtual stuff.  What good is that virtual stuff anyway, someone?
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  441) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 6:31:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yes, I understood, but it's a question of what niggling specific
| changes, of all the hundreds of changes involved. were
| the ones making the difference. If you're back to your standard
| .cfg, that's good. But keep me posted on this screensaver stuff, either
| way. As for virtual screen, it's needed for screen captures and IIRC
| a few other things as well.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 442) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 6:39:52 pm 
|
| Eric>
| In the Welcome Email in the Insight inbox it says to reply to
| The Arachne Development Team...but the C.C. is not supplied.
| Shouldn't there be an address there?....with a B.C. to the Coollsit
| and Freelist, maybe...? 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 443) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 6:57:43 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Glenn,    I think the title line could be put to good use.....
| instead of Outbox make it Arachne Insight E-mail Outbox in Bold print.
| If that nice clear small animated logo was placed in the corner,
| then on some page layouts the URL line would be longer also which is often
| desired with all these long url's becoming so popular. Let the public
| get familar with the Arachne name...with the logo next to it.  People
| seem to remember names better than logos based on the quiz shows I watch.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  444) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 7:05:53 pm 
|
| Eric>
| I'll bet if I superimposed a red M onto a picture of the St. Louis arch
| then I could fool a lot of people into thinking that St. Louis has a 
| drive-thru window. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  445) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 7:08:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But, but, but........
|
| You can't seem to remember that mine is 'glennmcc' (all lowercase) <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 446) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 7:12:50 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Better yet, do you remember the mother who wanted to get her kid
| one of those cars with a dog in the middle of the grill.  I bet she
| would have remembered the name Mustang, but she sure wasn't relating
| it to the dog on the grill.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  447) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 7:16:17 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I remember it just fine but I was taught to capitalize
| proper names.....you are proper, aren't you? <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  448) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 7:28:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Who ? Me ? Proper ?
|
| Hahahaha !!!
|
| Anything but.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 449) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 7:32:35 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    if you prefer to have your proper name spelled properly
| with a diminutive "d" instead of the proper way I was taught is proper
| then I will properly acquiesce and use the diminished "d" as the first lette
| your name....except when I automagically, by habit, press
| the shift button at the same time when I start a salutation or a
| sentence!  But....it will bother me!  
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   450) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 7:43:02 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Not proper....I'm sure I saw a link to Cornell at the
| bottom of your emails...but I could be wrong. <ggg>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 451) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 8:12:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Fine.... have it your way.
|
| Call me anything you like.... just _don't_ call me late for supper. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 452) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 8:16:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| New 'single line code' to use any Env varaiable name you like.
| (no longer 'hard coded' to DNS1 and DNS2)
|
| But as you'll notice... the arachne.cfg value must be %ENVNAME not %ENVNAME%
|
|
|   value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"NameServer",NULL);
| //!!glennmcc: Dec 12, 2005 -- add NameServer %DNS1 capability
|   if(value && strstr(value,"%")) makestr(value,getenv(&value[1]),19);
| //!!glennmcc: end
|   if(value) _add_server( &_last_nameserver, MAX_NAMESERVERS, def_nameservers
| resolve(value));
|   value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"AltNameServer",NULL);
| //!!glennmcc: Dec 12, 2005 -- add AltNameServer %DNS2 capability
|   if(value && strstr(value,"%")) makestr(value,getenv(&value[1]),19);
| //!!glennmcc: end
|   if(value) _add_server( &_last_nameserver, MAX_NAMESERVERS, def_nameservers
| resolve(value));
|
|  }//endif tcp/ip
| }
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 453) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 8:23:29 pm 
|
| ray>
| Be careful to strip off a 2nd '%' if there is one, like is done
| with IP_Address.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 454) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 8:28:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Assuming that there's been no more screensaver woes, I'll put together
| a new package with what we've learned included and send it.
| But first I'm gonna write the 'complete idiots guide to connecting
| to the internet with Arachne' (since I now feel that I am a complete
| idiot on that subject).
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 455) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 8:37:12 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I can't accept that...you may be capable of writing that
| guide...but...you can't be the latter....'cause I don't work with fools.
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  456) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 8:56:35 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray my man,
|
| That's why I said....
|
| But as you'll notice... the arachne.cfg value must be %ENVNAME not %ENVNAME%
|
| <ggg>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 457) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 9:56:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn, oh ya your code was correct for the value as specified, but
| what I'm saying is that the extra test seems prudent because that's
| allowed now with %MYIP% so the standard has already been set that
| a trailing '%' is permitted, also, it's pretty normal to be able
| to use the trailing '%' in almost any DOS sittuation so I'd say
| it's prudent to add the extra lines to deal with it. Note my code on
| AD where I make a function to handle all three keywords that can
| now be env. strings, I like it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 458) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 10:03:59 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Kill one % == one line of code per variable.
|
| I like that batter.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 459) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 10:06:07 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I'd rather call myself a fool and have others contradict than call
| myself a genius ... and have them contradict ;-)
|
| What I like about my intelligence level is that when I am with people
| of common ability I can play the fool so convincingly that I am 
| considered rather dim, but when with people of simmilar strata to 
| my own, the act is always seen through. I use it as a filter.
|
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 460) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 10:11:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Hmmm, I disagee, but so what, anyway it's good to see you paying
| attention to issues like code size. Every byte must justify it's
| existance no? There is a cost to every line, tho not paid imediately.
| Every cute bit of code we write seems invaluable at the time, but
| does it really carry its weight? I am the Grim Reaper of dead,
| redundant, flacid, bloated or otherwise inferior code.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 461) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 10:13:03 pm 
|
| ray>
| Good night gentlemen :-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 462) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 10:17:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Shall we agree to disagree then ? ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 463) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 10:17:33 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| G'nite
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 464) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 10:19:02 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,           Well, for me, I'd rather play the fool than to
| call myself a genius....and have to prove it!  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   465) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 10:25:18 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Pleasant dreams, guys, her's to visions of the sugarplum fairy....
| or maybe Arachne in all her glory! <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  466) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 10:58:39 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, glennmcc,     I don't know what the problem is or who to query,
| but...I had at least 3 aborts while entering my data for pop3 and smtp
| from the mail.htm page. Everytime I clicked ACCEPT the page colors 
| disappeared and when I tried to continue Arachne spontaneously aborted
| the next time I pressed ENTER on the accept button.  One time I had to
| use the CTRL-ALT-ESC to get Arachne active again.  It seems to be mis-
| behaving when updating the Arachne.cfg file. However, after all that she
| still retrieved my email, so the config file was updated. Still no aborts
| while returning from screensaver. <ggg> 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 467) Tue, Dec 13, 2005 - 11:40:30 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Guys,   Somehow MYIP disappeared from envir.  After downloading email
| and futzing around I would freeze-up trying to download email again.
| I ALT-E'd and checked envir. and MYIP was gone and I couldn't
| find it in any *.cfg files or *.log files. Lsppp was still in memory.
| I had to ALT-X, restart Arachne and redial...then MYIP was back
| and everything worked again!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 468) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 3:29:58 am 
|
| vbm>
| re 406-408:
|
| Gregy,simple play with it and see...
| if read text near with links to archive - you can see what core I
| used... also I answered to you message to email... did you have it?
|
| hgm, My bugs may little and not such nippers as Glenn's or Ray's... ;-)))))
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 469) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 6:47:57 am 
|
| gregy>
| Vladimir...yes...I got your email...and already replied...<g g g>
| ..
| I will download your 1.85, tonight, and start testing it tomorrow...
| ...
| hmmm...now...if I can only find an old copy of Glenn's 1.85 to install
| for comparison purposes....<g g g g>
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 470) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 9:19:40 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Ah, that's another thing I glossed over in my readme -- the options
| settup pages don't work. I don't think about it because I always edit
| .cfg directly but of course others use it all the time. Actualy,
| Vladimir and I are working on a totaly revamped set of setup pages that
| will look completely different, so we haven't bothered to update the
| existing ones. Pardon, I should have emphasized that.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 471) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 9:24:32 am 
|
| ray>
| He, heeeee, 
|
| Just had a CD drop. Arachne showed me the message, hung up automagicaly.
| Redialed, retrieved text from textarea.tmp:
|
|
| Yeah, Gregy, you should archive the older distro's since Glenn only
| ever stocks the latest. Me, I keep them all since I'm always going
| back and forth.
|
| ... and all's well :-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 472) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 9:27:37 am 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Would it be possible to have a multible choice box for the ^R feature?
| I find myself using 'page.txt', 'textarea.tmp' and one or two others
| regularly. If there was a user configurable box of 3 or 4 choices that
| would be sweet, or it could even remember one's last choices
| automagicaly. What do you think guys?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 473) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 9:33:03 am 
|
| ray>
| Oh, Eric, the changes in keywords also mean that, besides the setup
| pages, any page that refferences a now nonexistant keyword must be
| used with caution, for example 'password' is now dead because that
| is not used by core.exe but only to pass to the connetion
| program (lsppp), it should now only exist inside lsppp.cfg.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 474) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 9:58:35 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     What about mail parameters, you mean I can't fill in the boxes
| on the mail page or use the links to the rest of the mail setup.
| That sucks!  I always use those to configure my mail.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  475) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 10:09:51 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    How is anyone supposed to keep track of non-existant keywords.
| I don't know half the keywords.  As far as I know, half the keywords
| aren't even in the arachne.cfg file unless they are set by one of the
| option boxes on some page.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  476) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 10:10:35 am 
|
| gregy>
| ummm...Ray...Glenn keeps EVERYTHING....<g g g>...but he doesn't keep it
| always available....(limited site storage, I suppose)....
| ...
| I keep ALMOST everything...<g g g>...so...I've got most of the distros
| back to...hmmm...1.47???...yeah...somewhere, anyway....<g g g>
| ...
| BUT...for the next-latest...I'll post it for a while, after Glenn moves
| to the next version....just so any tester/developer who wants to compare
| and hasn't kept the last, can d/l a new copy..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 477) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 10:14:03 am 
|
| gregy>
| Vladimir....I went and got your ar185rus.zip....1,420,998 bytes....and..
| ..I have to state, that your server is verrrrrrrrrrrrry slow...it took
| 55 minutes to download that...<g g g>....I mean, it seemed as if I was
| pulling that file, 15,000miles, across Russia, FarEastAsia, Alaska, down
| Canada, to my home, here in Montana, as if I was pulling it using a Yak
| or a two-Caribou team...slogging thru the icy blizzard....<g g g g>
| ...
| So...(see next post)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 478) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 10:18:53 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| So, I posted it up on AVA, in your very own, personal subdirectory:
|
| http://arachne.virtualave.net/vbm/ar185rus.zip
|
| I will leave it there, and you may put another link on your DownloadPage
| "FAST ALTERNATE" so other Russians can get a faster download...<g g g>
| ...
| Also...I put Glenn's a187gpll.zip up in that same subdirectory:
|
| http://arachne.virtualave.net/vbm/a187gpll.zip
|
| ..so that Glenn doesn't need to bother about getting a copy to you...
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 479) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 10:20:34 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...you do note 478, above....I already got a 187 copy available for
| Vladimir to download....
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 480) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 10:20:36 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      "the facts....Ma'am....just the facts!"...Your giving us the
| facts after the fact! <ggg>   Is Gregy going to have these same problems
| with Vladimir's 1.85 setup using your core.
| do I understand you correctly?....If any keyword is in the arachne.cfg 
| that your core no longer uses then that will cause lockups and aborts?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  481) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 10:42:18 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    I download Vladimir's 1.85 also last night.  It certainly wasn't
| a fast download, and I didn't time it, but it didn't seem to be that
| much slower than a lot of the other stuff is downloading here. Of course
| I am not that happy with the speed I'm getting in general from my ISP most
| of the time. During the day it gets reallll slow. I attribute it to all
| the antivirus and spamware everyone has to run nowadays on top of the
| heavy traffic.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  482) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 10:44:12 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Basicaly put everything I just said on hold, I jumped to a conclusion
| as to what the problem was, just confirmed that this is a hard bug,
| not a keyword problem. I've already braketed it and will report back 
| with the fix.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 483) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 11:01:00 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I think this keyword situation is a real problem. I don't think
| anyone except you development/coder guys knows what all the keywords are
| or aren't.  Many times when things were not working here I was told to
| add a keyword I never saw before to the arachne.cfg. Also, I don't know
| where a description of choices for the values that can be assigned to
| keywords is available except in glennmcc's or your head.  Before I understoo
| maybe wrongly, that if a keyword unused by the core was 
| present in the arachne.cfg then the core just ignored it....and.....
| if there were multiple entries of a keyword, the last entry was used.
| Now I understand you to say this type of "error" in the arachne.cfg
| will now cause it to abort or lockup.....is that right?  Then I think
| we have a serious problem to solve.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  484) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 11:22:09 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I agree, the whole keywords situation is a mess and I'm trying to do
| something about it. There is 'keywords.txt', it ain't perfect and I've
| tried to update mine but it's a start. I plan to expand it greatly to
| the point where it is really usefull. You are correct that an unused
| keyword is just ignored. BUT if there are multiple keywords it is the
| FIRST that is used. This is because the search algorithm used is such
| that Arachne stops looking as soon as she finds a match, so the first
| one is always used.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 485) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 11:27:27 am 
|
| ray>
| Now, I've found the problem. It's because I moved the storage of my
| keywords list out of the .exe itself and now store them in XSWAP.
| This is coder stuff but you deserve an explanation. If the keywords
| are part of core.exe itself, they hog memory, but if I put them in
| XSWAP that memory is saved, it worth about 2K. I can reverse the change
| and all will work, but I'd rather figure out a way to do these
| HTML updates to the .cfg while still saving that memory. I'll see
| if I can do it. Anyway, thanks! You're a tester and a testers job is
| to find bugs.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 486) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 11:29:47 am 
|
| ray>
| BTW, one of the nice things about how Arachne scans for keywords is that
| when you are experimenting, you can just put any changes to keywords
| at the top of Arachne cfg where they override anything below. When 
| finished, you just errase them, so all experimental stuff can be
| stored in one place at the top.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 487) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 12:49:40 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    About which keyword was used....I couldn't really remember....
| so...I had a 50/50 pick....darn, picked wrong. <ggg>  Now with your explaina
| I'll probably remember....I tend to remember things that
| are logical to me much better.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  488) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 1:35:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I know what you mean. For me, a thing I understand is almost never
| forgotten, but wrote memorizaton is something I only enjoy with
| poetry.
|
| Anyhow, I found the bug, it seems that I was trying to be too cute
| with my new keywords processing. I load the keywords into XSWAP only
| if 'config.dat' isn't being used, 'cause if it is being used, there's
| no need to scan arachne.cfg anyway. But, if config.dat isn't being used
| the kewords are loaded and if one tries to use a box that involves an
| update to arachne.cfg all hell breaks loose because the keywords are
| loaded again, which buggers up XSWP royaly. So it's fixed but 
| let me see if I can remain cute and still have it work ;-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 489) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 1:59:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| IMO,
| If 'cute coding' worked.... M$hit would not be called that. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 490) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 2:11:51 pm 
|
| ray>
| I dunno, from what I've seen of it, M$ stuff is just bloated and
| ugly and slow and stupid -- not what I'd call cute. But, cute == risky
| because one is trying to do something a bit smartalecey, which I was!
| And now that I see my mistake, I've not only learned something, but
| free'd even more memory while fixing that bug to boot.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 491) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 2:12:30 pm 
|
| ray>
| And it's even cuter!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 492) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 2:56:00 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ahhhh...quit grinn' like that Cheshire Cat...in this cold weather, that
| will freeze and stay with ya permanently...didn't your Mom ever tell
| you that...????
| ...
| <g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 493) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 3:46:03 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   From what you have been explaining my memory should be all
| screwed up, but looking at it with mem /c it looks pretty good
| The thing I haven't been able to figure out is why command.com
| size isn't constant.
|
| command.com = 7408    memory before running Arachne
| command.com = 7328    memory after running Arachne
|
| everything else is the same except free memory...
|    free memory is only 32 bytes larger
|    difference in command.com is 80 bytes smaller
| what happened to the other 50 bytes...lost somewhere due to sWap error?
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  494) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 3:46:24 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   From what you have been explaining my memory should be all
| screwed up, but looking at it with mem /c it looks pretty good
| The thing I haven't been able to figure out is why command.com
| size isn't constant.
|
| command.com = 7408    memory before running Arachne
| command.com = 7328    memory after running Arachne
|
| everything else is the same except free memory...
|    free memory is only 32 bytes larger
|    difference in command.com is 80 bytes smaller
| what happened to the other 50 bytes...lost somewhere due to sWap error?
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  495) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 3:49:03 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...that would be the "resident" portion of COMMAND.COM...which
| carries the environment....and...when you load Arachne, probably you are
| loading up more environment variables....just a wild guess...<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 496) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 3:51:44 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Guy's,   I think maybe I figured out how I at least got this last double
| posting....I'm making this post with my M$ machine while I read my
| Arachne machine screen. When I tabbed to send and pressed enter nothing
| happened so I picked up the mouse and clicked on send...then it sent a
| double posting.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  497) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 3:56:59 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy, but it's the other way around....both mem /c 's were without
| Arachne loaded and the larger command.com is before I loaded Arachne.
| Also, I've noticed that when I shell out from Arachne that command.com
| is a different size when loaded the second time for the shell. You are
| probably right that it may have something to do with thw envir.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  498) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 4:11:30 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I have no idea about command.com size, but it does sound like some
| simple thing, never noticed that. As to your memory, Arachne is
| pretty good at cleaning up after herself when she quits normaly, and
| even when there's an XSWAP error, the problem is confined within
| the walls of the XWAP buffer, so it shouldn't affect anything else.
|
| I'm just sending you a core with that bug removed ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 499) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 4:14:31 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| HOw does that Ruski distro look?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 500) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 4:36:22 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   If I load another shell, the second loaded command.com is...
| command.com = 7232 ...which is 96 bytes smaller than current command.com.
|
| The set command gives the same environment before and after shell
| except for the cmdline= line.
|
| However, when it shells, doesn't the shell setup its own environment
| starting with copying the env. of the first shell.?
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  501) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 4:46:29 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I'll grab the new core and just replace the old one with
| the new one, right.   This is how the core situation gets confusing.
| I have to remember to use the updated core when I have to do a new
| install.  BTW, you never answered, what core bugs should we expect
| in Vladimir's distro. Is that core all yours or has he done some
| adjusting on it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  502) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 5:15:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Right, just throw the old core away or perhaps save it for some
| future comparison ... na, just trash it.
|
| Vladimir's distro is based on my '6a' code and although we work
| quite closely together, I can't say what changes he may have made
| that he hasn't told me about, Caveat emptor ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 503) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 5:23:32 pm 
|
| ray>
| However, Vladimir has shown himself to be a very thorough man so
| I'm quite sure his distro will be as tight as a drum.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 504) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 6:48:14 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...to be honest...I haven't yet installed it...:((
| ..
| I will try to do that later tonight...but...may not get to it until
| tomorrow...
| ..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 505) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 6:48:51 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric....well, about COMMAND.COM size....I SAID it was a "wild guess"
| ....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 506) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 7:09:41 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| We broke the 1000 mark :)
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/sitestat.php
|
| (number of hits to each page) 
| ar189 1006 (since Nov 27, 2005)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 507) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 8:16:20 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ha! Now let's figure out who these people are and why they don't make
| themselves known.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 508) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 10:22:46 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I just inserted your new core b2q into my setup. Then I 
| entered arachne to start it and got an error message and an abort:
| A numeric configuration value is out of range!
| Please consult KEYWORDS.TXT, and correct your ARACHNE.CFG
|
| Wher do I find this KEYWORDS.TXT file?  All I see is KEYWORDS.CFG
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  509) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 10:34:01 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, I found keywords.txt but what good is that ?  Am I supposed to
| spend hours going thru that file and comparing it to my arachne.cfg
| file?  Why doesn't the error message give me the value & keyword
| to look for?
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  510) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 10:39:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I just looked thru my config.log and I can't imagine anything
| I see in there being out of range.   I haven't changed anything, it's
| the same arachne.cfg I've been using with no problems.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  511) Wed, Dec 14, 2005 - 11:02:10 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Very strange....since the Q core will not work, I loaded the
| old core and created a new config.log.   In that log there is no
| XMS4onegif keyword and the XMS4allgifs is not the same as in my
| arachne.cfg. 
|
| My arachne.cfg....XMS4allGIFs = 1024
| The config.log....XMS4allGifsKB =  256 
|
| Please note the difference in the keywords!  I typed them exact! 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 512) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 2:36:29 am 
|
| vbm>
| re 469, 477, 478:
| Gregy, I uploaded  that distro to verrry slowly speed eg. 400b/s...
| spasobo all for help. now I say good bye to your. I'll going from here
| to 1-3 months, so stopping works with Arachne....
| Good bye friends!!!!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 513) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 3:55:45 am 
|
| Eric>
| Vladimir,   Goodbye friend, stay safe, we will be waiting for your
| return.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 514) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 9:39:17 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Opps, me bad. I forgot to send an updated keywords.cfg <:-(
| Ah with all this scrambling around. What happens is that
| the way my keywords are processed is very fast but also very
| fragile. I deleted the code for a few keywords in core.exe but
| the keywords.cfg must mirror that change *exactly* one extra or
| short line in keywords.cfg and everything goes to hell.
|
| Being bellowed at for breakfast, send it in a few minutes ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 515) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 10:02:23 am 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| et al...Vladimir asked me to post the link to his 1.85 source code:
|
| http://mvb.kbsu.ru/files/srcs/1-85core-b6a1k.rar
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 516) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 10:43:06 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric, all,
|
| What I need is some protocol for insuring that any given core is
| matched to it's proper keywords.cfg. This will only be a problem while
| rapid development is taking place but it's a pain right now. Any
| ideas?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 517) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 12:10:35 pm 
|
| gregy>
| kwdsb6a3.cfg....quite obvious...
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 518) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 12:39:01 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmm, that *is* obvious. But for clarity: keywords.b6b and I modify
| the core. to make sure it looks for the right file. ... Na ... the 
| extension should be .cfg so: keywrd6b.cfg. Done.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 519) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 2:39:00 pm 
|
| gregy>
| No...you need to put your reading glasses on...
| ...
| "kwds", NOT "keywrd".....sheeeeesh...!!! you young guys are wearing out
| even faster than us oldies....<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 520) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 3:19:06 pm 
|
| ray>
| No, I was just improving on your idea. Unless of course you have 
| an even better idea or can defend 'kwds' as being better than 'keywrd'
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 521) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 4:05:44 pm 
|
| gregy>
| he he he....here goes Mr. "Save-Every-Byte" hoist on his own petard
| ....<g g g>
| ...
| 2-characters less.....<g>
| ...
| ergo...obviously, better.......<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 522) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 4:36:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| HA, HA! 
|
| Hey where did Eric get to, I'm on tenderhooks wondering if I've finaly
| got my act together and given him everything he needs.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 523) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 5:11:07 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Well, there are two possibilities...(1) He's got it all, and is quiet
| because everything is working swimmingly, or (2) He can't even get 
| Online to tell you it's all messed up...
| ...
| Take your choice.....<g g gg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 524) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 5:25:54 pm 
|
| ray>
| Or he's given up in disgust!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 525) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 5:30:27 pm 
|
| gregy>
| well...that's the "pessimistic" option...I don't consider those...<g g
| g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 526) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 5:50:47 pm 
|
| ray>
| Maybe he's mad at me :(
| You know all that BS about dogsleads? I was kidding but maybe he
| took it seriously. That is always the problem with 'dry' humour.
| Of course you know that the climate here is far more mild than where
| you live but.
|
| Eric, I'm sorry man :(
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 527) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 6:04:26 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      That idea of a core switch .bat is a good idea....but....
| I think you should have also a simple 1,2,3...step text file to go 
| along with it.  That would make it easy to make sure the batch file
| worked the way it was planned.  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   528) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 6:14:07 pm 
|
| Eric>
| I've been shoveling snow...heavy wet snow...and they're talking about
| possible freezing drizzle tonight.
| Ray, I was waiting for an answer to the XMS4allGifs post and directions
| to get this core working.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  529) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 6:16:40 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I also had to take time to feed my sled dogs!
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  530) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 6:17:57 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...core-swap bats work really well...I am so lazy that I'm really
| strained if I hafta do more than ALT-E, "S (coreNo) <enter>"....more
| than that, and "I'm outa here...!!!!"......<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 531) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 6:19:14 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...we're getting more thru here, so you're due for more in about 3
| days....
| ...
| I don't want you to be depressed....just warned.....<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 532) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 6:30:03 pm 
|
| gregy>
| I'm gone for the night....g'nite...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 533) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 7:58:11 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    I'm counting on Chicago to act as line blocker for us
| and split your weather front as it comes our way. <ggg>  So, it
| should be going north and/or south of us if I have my way. <ggg>
| And maybe it will dump all it's snow west of Chicago. <ggg>
| We are already 5-6 inches above average for December here.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  534) Thu, Dec 15, 2005 - 8:43:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Ah, I see. Well, I'd just copy in the new keywords.cfg and go from
| there, chances are it will fix all those problems. As I said, if the
| keywords.cfg is out of synch with the stuctures in core.exe 
| you get:
|
| keyA PropervalueA
| keyB PropervalueB
| keyC PropervalueC
| keyD PropervalueD
|
| becoming:
|
| keyA ProperValueA
| keyB ProperValueB
| keyD ProperValueC << Oppps Value C doesn't exist any more!
| keyE ProperValueD
|
|
|
|
|
|  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 535) Fri, Dec 16, 2005 - 9:40:32 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    See ADV board....This core switching is getting harder and
| harder....Way too complicated!!! <ggg>    IMHO I think your changing
| too many parameters without creating good foolproofdocumentation
|  for converting between setups.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 536) Fri, Dec 16, 2005 - 3:27:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| "foolproofdocumentation" ????
|
| Hahahaha !!! <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 537) Fri, Dec 16, 2005 - 3:32:08 pm 
|
| Eric>
| "foolprooferhahaha",       I got it connected finally but it took 
| many trys and restarts with many error messages.  I'm trying to send
| this right now with B6-b:2k.     
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 538) Fri, Dec 16, 2005 - 3:35:50 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Well,   it worked!    But something isn't right 'cause I had to
| do lsppp, etc. manually to get connected.  Alt-D did not do it!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 539) Fri, Dec 16, 2005 - 5:51:14 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Don't forget, you are an ALPHA tester, not one of those wimp
| BETA testers. You live on the bleeding edge. What you say is true,
| but there's no need to say it because what we're doing is
| the first rehersal not the dress rehersal. It should all come together
| in a day or two, then you can BETA it. 
| BTW, what I sent you still is probably busted and I'm reeeel
| mad about it. Check you config.log after you try to change some
| config option via an HTML box on one of the pages, like ppp_enhan.htm
| for the dialer, or the mail page. Probably screwed up?
|
| I'm very angry with XSWAP damned thing.
| Let me know ASAP if your .log is busted. I'll send you a core that
| works but is not 'cute' -- and no gloating McC!
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 540) Fri, Dec 16, 2005 - 7:18:00 pm 
|
| eric>
| Man am I having a bad day. I had to try about half a dozen times
| to get that file uploaded to you. Tried three machines so it ain't
| that. Bad lines, ISP trouble? Dunno.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 541) Fri, Dec 16, 2005 - 7:58:36 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Remember, the ALPHA wolf is wise but he's got his limits
| too.  <ggggg> or is that <grgrgrgrgrgrgr>
| DAMN frustrating when those upload/download things don't work, eh?
| I'll try some option buttons now that I seem to be circumventing
| the error messages/aborts.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 542) Fri, Dec 16, 2005 - 8:17:32 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Should the keywrd2q.cfg be renamed keywords.cfg.  I did a 
| file compare and they are the same file I already have loaded.
| Thought I should ck file size since you had trouble w/lines...
| core.exe  392,672
| keywrd2q.cfg  1660
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 543) Fri, Dec 16, 2005 - 8:25:28 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I tried changing my name on the mail page and Arachne aborted
| just like before.  That is with the 2q build. I'll try the 2s build
| but what should the name of the keywords file be?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 544) Fri, Dec 16, 2005 - 8:39:15 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Now the name change works but ALT-E causes an abort of
| Arachne.  And I still get USER BREAK error message everytime
| Arachne starts.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 545) Fri, Dec 16, 2005 - 8:53:58 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Guys,   If when your running a W$doze browser you get a URL with
| a "=dname"  in or at the end when you click on a link.....
| BACK OUT FAST....I got one of those today and my mouse was ineffective
| as was the keyboard because I didn't notice it right away. You can
| usually backout in the 1st one or two seconds. Anyway I had to pull
| the phone line to stop transmission and then the machine was locked up.
| I did a warm reboot and the boot aborted with "primary slave drive
| failure".  I shut off the machine and then turned it back on and
| thank god it booted up OK.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 546) Fri, Dec 16, 2005 - 10:20:40 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   The CBC has Chevy Chase's Christmas Vacation on.  It showed
| him caught under your logging truck and he just had a little trouble
| debugging his Christmas light setup!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 547) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 9:46:24 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| No need to rename those files. At Gregy's suggestion I've just
| made a name change every time the content of the file changes so that
| each core will look for the right file, instead of a constantly
| changing 'keywords.cfg' Yes they are the same but it's just better
| hygene. It'll be 'keywrd2q.cfg' until I change some keyword then it
| will change again. That way, if you switch cores, the core always 
| finds what it wants.
|
| That was a very poor explanation, I'm falling apart.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 548) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 9:49:01 am 
|
| ray>
| A 'USER BREAK' every time it starts? What's the exact message?
| If Alt+E aborts, you should see a message:
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 549) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 9:52:07 am 
|
| ray>
| Is it this? :
|
| USER BREAK. Press CTRL+BREAK to quit, or
| any other key to restart Arachne ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 550) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 11:20:03 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I had trouble loading this board until now....did you?
| YES, That is the EXACT error message.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 551) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 11:36:01 am 
|
| Eric`>
| Ray,   It locked up with message a page bottom saying insufficient
| memory for animated gif...keyboard became dead...CTRL-ALT-ESC did 
| not work since keyboard was dead...can that be avoided?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 552) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 12:41:23 pm 
|
| ray>
| Good morning Eric,
|
| I'm in a better mood today :-) ... finaly got this keyword stuff 
| figured out, it's tight and clean and I'm back up to 265K free memory
| and no XSWP balloney. I'm beginning to see that XSWAP should be
| limited in it's use -- huge bloody overhead.
|
| Now, on to the troubles of the day, BRB
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 553) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 12:44:19 pm 
|
| ray>
| The GIF thing is simple, just edit your arachne.cfg and
| increase 'xms4allgifskb' to some number bigger than the one
| shown for that keyword in config.log.
| But it shouldn't lock the keyboard for more than a few seconds,
| I put a delay in there just long enough to see the message. One day
| that should be made into an .ah.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 554) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 12:48:29 pm 
|
| ray>
| That message should only happen if you press CTRL+ALT+ESC.
| If it happens for any other reason that's a bug for sure.
| Please advise.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 555) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 12:49:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, what I meant by 'that message' what the 'USER BREAK' message.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 556) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 12:50:56 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I know about increasing KB for gifs.....I mean fix the 
| lockup situation...I waited a long time and it did not give
| function back to the keyboard.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 557) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 12:56:21 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  It was happening every time....the "USER BREAK" message...and you
| know it will not dial, right, or did you miss the earlier messages?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 558) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 1:16:23 pm 
|
| ray>
| What, back to no dialing? Sheesh. And this BREAK message is 
| linked to Joes CTRL+ALT+ESC so this is a puzzle.
| Please send you config.log and I'll see what I can see.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 559) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 1:16:56 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, and dont forget to kill your PW ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 560) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 1:24:45 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Those messages should display for 5 sec then proceed. If there's 
| a hang I think I know what it might be but to confirm, please 
| reset you xms4allgifskb to a number high enough to make the message
| stop and tell me if it works OK. Just make it the first line in
| your arachne.cfg so you can errase it latter if you want to.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 561) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 2:13:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| New core on the way, this is just a bit better with memory and
| there's more error checking for connections.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 562) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 2:47:55 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I don't have any particular page to ck setting for all gifs.
| What is a reasonable size?  It will be a while before I can send
| config.log but I'll send it.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 563) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 3:38:23 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Just change it in your .cfg directly, the options pages won't work
| for any of my new keywords. Try 512.
|
| I'm off for the rest of the weekend, see ya all latter.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 564) Sat, Dec 17, 2005 - 3:59:23 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    You should find the  B2S config.log in your mailbox.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 565) Mon, Dec 19, 2005 - 1:47:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Roger that, got it and will tinker with it latter today.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 566) Mon, Dec 19, 2005 - 4:17:43 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric, 
|
| First look at your log shows no obvious problems, but your
| 'Connection READY' should only be used if you're connecting from the
| command line, which is rather pointless for dialup. Use:
|
| Connection @call connect.bat
|
| Just as before and see if that connects you. Sheesh, it did before
| and I can't imagine what has changed. Make sure that 'connect.bat'
| still exists of course.
|
| That bizzare 'USER BREAK' thing, still happening? That is so strange.
| Unless ....
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 567) Mon, Dec 19, 2005 - 4:27:25 pm 
|
| ray>
|
| Nuts, I think it's easy. When I send the core before the last one,
| I had added a few extra error checks in core.exe but I forgot
| to include the updated arachne.bat which contains the actual text
| of the error message. The extra messages were connection checks and
| when that failed, and the message diddn't exist in arachne.bat what
| happens is that it sorta 'slides' down to the next message which is
| (you guessed it) 'USER BREAK ....' <:-)
|
| So I figure with the new core and with the change above, to your
| arachne.cfg, you should either connect ok or you should get a proper 
| message from the new arachne.bat
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 568) Mon, Dec 19, 2005 - 5:33:15 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I didn't have connect.bat!  Arachne now dials with ALT-D.
| That was one of those changes that should be in change-over
| directions for swapping to your core. Remember, steps 1.,2.,3.,etc. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  569) Mon, Dec 19, 2005 - 5:36:14 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     BTW, why do I now get an "online timer" running in the LR corner
| instead of the word "ONLINE" which I had before using connect.bat?
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  570) Mon, Dec 19, 2005 - 5:57:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| The timer is the proper thing. The 'ONLINE' message is for 'READY'
| connections, the idea being that when one is 'always' connected the
| timer is redundant. Who needs to know how long their connection has
| been active when it is always active? But READY is meant for
| LAN connections, not for dialup. It would be a bit hard to change, since
| the timer works by measuring the time since PPP.LOG was created, and
| that file is only created via a 'connection' that calls some 
| batchfile that specificaly creates PPP.LOG ('READY' doesn't do it).
|
| 'USER BREAK' msg. gone??
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 571) Mon, Dec 19, 2005 - 6:00:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| Once everything is running over there, I'll rework my readme to
| include all these lessons!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 572) Mon, Dec 19, 2005 - 6:08:24 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, so far no error messages....I'll let you know if they appear! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  573) Mon, Dec 19, 2005 - 7:00:36 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ah, that is good news. So much for 'drop in replacement' eh?
| I could be sued for false advertising. <ggg> At one time it
| *was* true but one must keep ones docs up to date.
|
| Next thing is to just thrash the core. Try to use everything you can
| think of and be deliberately nasty. If there's a problem, the
| nicest thing is to imediately do a core swap and see if Glenn has
| the same problem. If he does, it's old news. If he has a problem and
| I don't that's gratifying to me, and if it's the other way around,
| I've created a bug and need to fix it (Like the "%MYIP% bug that
| started us off on the wrong foot).
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 574) Mon, Dec 19, 2005 - 7:22:21 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I noticed now that the ONLINE does appear in LR corner when
| returning from ALT-E, but quickly switches to the online timer.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  575) Mon, Dec 19, 2005 - 9:08:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| I never noticed that, but it would/should happen within one second
| since that's how long it takes for the first 'tick'.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 576) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 11:44:39 am 
|
| gregy>
| Persuant to this discussion....I would suggest/request that:
| 1.  The OFFLINE be there, whenever Arachne is OFFLINE...and that the
| ONLINE TIMER be there, whenever Arachne is ONLINE, whether or not it
| is a Dialup or ConnectionREADY connection.
| ...
| WHY..???  The CLOCK disappears when doing a download/upload, but the
| TIMER keeps on ticking, and is very useful for getting some idea of
| how long you've been doing a download....
| ...
| TCPIP in place of it, tells me nothing more that I'm ONLINE, which the
| TIMER being there already tells me (in addition to the time-online)..so
| ...putting the TIMER there increases my quantity of "online information"
| which is always an improvement (whether or not I know how to use that
| info....<g g g>.....)....
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 577) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 12:43:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| As I said above, that could be done but it's tricky because the
| timer uses the creation time of ppp.log as it's refference and that
| doesn't exist with READY connections. Something could be worked out
| but there could be surprises so it's not a priority right now.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 578) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 1:00:48 pm 
|
| gregy>
| so...quick solution for that problem.....have Arachne (everytime it's
| fired up in ConnectionREADY mode) create a dummy ppp.log....voila..!!!
| ...
| problem solved....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 579) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 1:14:53 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, sounds easy but I'll bet my hat that it will cause some 
| sort of trouble like she'll think she doesn't need to hangup or
| she won't redial or some damned thing. We can fool around with it
| though, it won't do any harm. But right now I'm bug hunting ;-(
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 580) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 1:53:24 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Now...you KNOW I am ALWAYS really hesitant to just JUMP RIGHT IN and
| jitter-bug some quickfix to some supposed Arachne problem...so...just
| ponder it for a while....okay...??
| ...
| AND...BTW...you Midwesterners.....warming trend hit here, today...and
| we're having a heat wave...<g g g>....it's already up to +33Fdegrees
| ...<g g g>
| ..
| So, 2-3 days from now, yours will be warming up, too....
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 581) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 3:50:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Alt+D starts the 'online timer' when we have these settings in Arachne.cfg
|
| Connection @echo off 
| ;instead of READY
|
| Dialer @echo off
| ;instead of @actual dial command
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 582) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 3:58:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray, as to......
|
| "....sort of trouble like she'll think she doesn't need to hangup or
| she won't redial or some damned thing........"
|
| When we use "Connection Ready"
|
| We aren't diaing or hanging up from inside of Arachne herself.
|
| We do both of those 'outside'.
|
| This is how I do it with this new DSL connection.
|
| DSL modem connected to NIC card.
|
| --- loadlne.bat ---
| lh c:\lne100tx\lne100tx.com -1 -a -f -s 0x60
| ___________________
|
| --- unloadln.bat ---
| c:\lne100tx\lne100tx.com -u
| ____________________
|
|
| No dialer needed in arachne.cfg... no hangup conmmand need in arachne.cfg
|
| Connection Ready
| Dialer NUL
| Hangup NUL
| TerminalWindow NUL
| UseTerminal No
|
| IP_Address BOOTP
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 583) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 4:00:07 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now using this little 'trick'...
|
| Connection @echo off 
| Dialer @echo off
|
| I now have the 'online timer' ticking away. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 584) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 4:57:22 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmm, and he says *I'm* cute ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 585) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 5:01:24 pm 
|
| ray>
| Once if finish my bug hunt I'll see if I can do something similar,
| The above will work for you but not me. This bug is a bastard.
| It seems to go back to 5c but it is so hard to believe that it
| wouldn't have shown up before now. Theres a redirection involved
| and that's where it hangs, but the actual hang is in onmouse,
| ends up in a loop. Why would a redirection cause onmouse to loop?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 586) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 5:07:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hey ... watch who you're calling 'cute'.
|
| That's not _even_ cute... it's an "ugly hack" and don't you forget it !!!
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 587) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 5:14:38 pm 
|
| gregy>
| I don't think so...I think it's cute, too....unless you just lucked
| into it....then...as we usta say in 8-ball
| ...
| ...
| .
| .
| sloppy..!!!!.....:P~~~~~~~~
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 588) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 5:19:30 pm 
|
| gregy>
| So, you're saying that we've already got functionality that's better
| than my hacky-thinking.....I mean, I was thinking, "Just leave the timer
| ticking all the time (during Connection asREADY connected)."
| ...
| But, you say that, if I'm connected "Connection READY" (and I make those
| changes you say to .CFG), then when I'm going to start a download, I 
| can ALT-D and hit <enter> (assuming I've got my URL already in the box)
| or click the d/l link, and my timer will start right then just before I
| started the download....
| ..
| Ray can call that cute....so will I....but I prefer "nifty".....now...
| ...tell the truth....
| ...
| ...was that "cunning" or was it just plain "sloppy".....????
| ....
| <g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 589) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 6:38:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope... I did not make myself as clear as I should have. :(
|
| Use these settings in arachne.cfg all the time (no need to chage them ever)
|
| Connection @echo off
| Dialer @echo off
| Hangup NUL
| TerminalWindow NUL
| UseTerminal No
|
| Start Arachne and press Alt+D
|
| Instead of actually dialing.....
| core.exe will simply create bpot PPP.LOG and PPPDRC.CFG
|
| The online timer will begin ticking away.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 590) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 6:41:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| oops... sloppy typo :(
|
| 'bpot' == 'both'
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 591) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 7:35:36 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Thank you, clipped and saved them....
| ..
| FWIW...I'm going to make a concerted effort during the new year, to
| go over completely to "connection ready" type operation, except for
| when I'm testing a new install of a new version, and we want to check
| those normal newUser dialup functions out...
| ...
| WHY..??...because I am also going to make a concerted effort to get
| Arachne(onOS2) to use the IBM dialer...and connection software...
| ...
| FWIW...the IBM TCPIP automatically loads a driver that has its vector
| installed at decimal105/hex69...so...that's within the range Arachne
| should be able to utilize....the major problems will be getting the
| IP number and DNS numbers, etc into Arachne's IP-UP.BAT and into the
| environment so Arachne can use them...
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 592) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 7:51:20 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Try using......
|
| Connection Ready
| IP_Address BOOTP
|
| That _should_ work in almost all cases.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 593) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 7:55:20 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yes.... Arachne _can_ access 0x69
|
| I'm here right now with packet driver loaded at 0x69
|
| command line......
|
| c:\lne100tx\lne100tx.com -1 -a -s -f 0x69
|
|
| Linksys LNE100TX Fast Ethernet Adapter Packet Driver  v 1.06 (991217)
| Copyright (C) 2000 Linksys GroupAll Rights Reserved.
|
| My Options         
| Packet Driver Interrupt Number 0x69
| I/O Port 0xC400
| Hardware Interrupt Number 11
| Medium Type is 100baseTx Full Duplex
| My Ethernet Address is 00:04:5A:45:55:9D
| Packet Driver is loaded at segment 301
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 594) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 7:59:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| When we use....
|
| IP_Address BOOTP
|
| We do not need IP_UP.BAT, we do not need and DNS #s speced, we do not
| need any of trhe stuff 'set' in the env.
|
| --- my current env ---
| OS=OPENDOS
| VER=7
| ARA=ON
| PATH=\;C:\1BATCH;C:\1COMMON;C:\;C:\OPENDOS;C:\1ZIP;C:\QEMM;c:\borlandc\bin;c
| OPENDOSCFG=C:\OPENDOS
| BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H7 T4
| PROMPT=$d $b $t$_[OPENDOS 7.01] $P$G
| COMSPEC=c:\command.com
| TEMP=c:\temp
| ______________________
|
| As you see.... no connection data at-all.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 595) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 8:01:42 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The needed settings in arachne.cfg
|
| Connection READY
| IP_Address BOOTP
| NameServer 
| AltNameServer 
| Gateway 0.0.0.0
| AltGateway 0.0.0.0
| Netmask 0.0.0.0
| TCPconfig PPPTCP.CFG
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 596) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 8:04:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| None of these get used with BOOTP, so all of them can be left out or blank
| or have any data what so ever in them...
| they are all ignored when we have 'IP_Address BOOTP'......
|
| NameServer 
| AltNameServer 
| Gateway 0.0.0.0
| AltGateway 0.0.0.0
| Netmask 0.0.0.0
| TCPconfig PPPTCP.CFG
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 597) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 8:07:02 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Connection Ready == use first packet driver found between 0x60 and 0x80
|
| IP_Address BOOTP == get all needed info from server
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 598) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 8:47:17 pm 
|
| gregy>
| heyyyyyy....that's outstanding work, there, Mr. Mcc.....<g g g>
| ...
| You've answered several key questions....I've clipped and saved that
| run, and I'll try to try it out in the next couple days...<g>
| ..
| What I want to do is put another install on my OS/2...just for trying
| out that ConnectionREADY with using (1st) the DOS dialup (NOT from
| Arachne) with ConnectionREADY - to get familiar with it, and be sure
| I can get it to connect, then (2nd) dialup with the IBM Dialer, launch
| Arachne, and see what we shall see....<g g g>
| ...
| But, I looks more and more likely that I can get Arachne to use the
| IBM TCPIP stack, etc....since they so nicely make it available at 0x69
| and you've already proven that Arachne will use that vector to find the
| packet driver....
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 599) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 9:17:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope.... Arachne will _not_ be able to use the IBM TCP/IP stack.
|
| Arachne uses the WATTCP TCP/IP stack which is built into core.exe via
| WATTCPLG.LIB
|
| The only thing she accesses outside of herself is a packet driver loaded
| in that range from 0x60 to 0x80
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 600) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 9:28:47 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ah..yes...I really meant that...<g>....I think IBM really means that
| that is what is loaded at the 0x69 vector, too....just that I haven't
| been using that, and it's been some time since I read all the help and
| docs....
| ...
| I've gotta go back and read that stuff....but...I'm just gonna set it
| up and try it...to see what happens...
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 601) Tue, Dec 20, 2005 - 11:26:45 pm 
|
| ray>
| To pick nits, it seems to me that wattcp must get two things from
| outside: IP and DNS and that when using BOOTP those values are
| returned by lsppp automaticaly, but I think it's fair to say that
| wattcp can't get those by himself. 'less I'm mistaken, but that's how
| the code looked to me.
|
| Found my bug by the way. Blasted thing has been there since 5b for
| crying in the sink. Hard to dig back that far, I need to rely on
| testers more than I have. Gota get these things out before they get
| buried.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 602) Wed, Dec 21, 2005 - 12:01:36 am 
|
| gregy>
| well...you said it...you need more testers...<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 603) Wed, Dec 21, 2005 - 12:12:42 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| This DSL connection does not use Lsppp.exe
|
| All that gets loaded is the packet driver for the NIC.
|
| My IP, DNSs , Gateway, AltGateway, and NetMask are all retrieved from
| the server by core.exe via the BOOTP/DHCP query mechanism in wattcplg.lib
|
| None of that info is saved in any file.
| None of it is 'set' in any env variables.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 604) Wed, Dec 21, 2005 - 12:19:09 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| While shelled-out just a moment ago...........
|
| dir ppp.log
|
|  Volume in drive L is MS-RAMDRIVE
|  Directory of  L:\ARACHNE
|
|         0 File(s)  95995904 bytes free
|
| dir pppdrc.cfg
|
|  Volume in drive L is MS-RAMDRIVE
|  Directory of  L:\ARACHNE
|
|         0 File(s)  95995904 bytes free
|
| dir ip-up.bat
|
|  Volume in drive L is MS-RAMDRIVE
|  Directory of  L:\ARACHNE
|
|         0 File(s)  95995904 bytes free
|
| set
|
| OS=OPENDOS
| VER=7
| ARA=ON
| PATH=\;C:\1BATCH;C:\1COMMON;C:\;C:\OPENDOS;C:\1ZIP;C:\QEMM;c:\borlandc\bin;c
| OPENDOSCFG=C:\OPENDOS
| BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H7 T4
| COMSPEC=l:\command.com
| TEMP=l:\temp
| OLDPMT=$d $b $t$_[OPENDOS 7.01] $P$G
| PROMPT=Type EXIT to return to Arachne$_$p$g
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 605) Wed, Dec 21, 2005 - 9:35:08 am 
|
| ray>
| Sure, in your case the IP and DNS are retrieved by your packet driver
| and you are right, there is no intermediary file.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 606) Wed, Dec 21, 2005 - 1:17:56 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Just sent new core. Forgot to mention that it has the old
| IE keys restored.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 607) Wed, Dec 21, 2005 - 4:36:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
| I guess I still did not explain it properly.
|
| The IP, DNS, Gateway, etc, etc are _not_ retrieved by the packet driver.
|
| All of that info is retrieved from the server by core.exe
|
| We have that function built into core.exe because we build wattcplg.lig
| into core.exe
|
| All of the functions for retrieving that info from the server are
| contained within wattcplg.lib in its BOOTP/DHCP sections.
|
| To put it simply... it _is_ core.exe that grabs the info from the
| server when we use 'IP_Address BOOTP' in arachne.cfg
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 608) Wed, Dec 21, 2005 - 5:38:22 pm 
|
| ray>
| We're both saying the same thing just in different ways, I reffer to
| wattcp as though it were a seperate thing because the code is
| by a different author and in a seperate module, but of course you are
| correct, once it's compiled it's all done inside core.exe.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 609) Wed, Dec 21, 2005 - 6:25:41 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ok,
| so you already _did_ understand that it's not being done by the packet drive
|
| Sorry for elaborating where no elaboration was needed.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 610) Wed, Dec 21, 2005 - 6:27:45 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh yeah,
|
| Since Joe's code is now in the new build of wattcplg.lib....
|
| It's _not_ by a different author. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 611) Wed, Dec 21, 2005 - 6:36:39 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Got your email with build2u.zip attached.  Arachne refused to
| save it.  I hade to do it manually with MUNPACK.EXE....It was just 
| the core. I repalced existing core with it.  Arachne refused to start.
| Got error message and Arachne aborted.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  612) Wed, Dec 21, 2005 - 6:40:48 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Error message was:  USER BREAK. Press CTRL+BREAK to quit, or
| any other key to restart Arachne ...
|
| I had to press a key twice and I was returned to DOS cmnd line.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  613) Wed, Dec 21, 2005 - 9:23:31 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...I'm sure I have some confusion here...<g>....about the wattcp,
| ppp, bootp, etc, etc.....I'm also certain...that once I get to going
| thru these sources....either...(1) I'm going to get a better idea of
| what's going on, or (2) I'll never get it straight, and will, therfore,
| totally bollox the job, go stark raving, and do away with myself...
| ...<g g g>
| ..
| Since I don't intend to come to that last, I will just PERSIST, until
| I DO come to a less-confusion-able state.....<g g g>...(have I made it
| all perfectly clear, now...????.....<g g g>....)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 614) Wed, Dec 21, 2005 - 9:40:38 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| that's no fun, I wonder if the .exe is fouled.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 615) Wed, Dec 21, 2005 - 9:43:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| That .exe should be 391,856 bytes long.
| If that's not it, hmmmm, that's the message you got before, when
| using the wrong arachne.bat and when you forgot 'connect.bat' IIRC.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 616) Wed, Dec 21, 2005 - 9:44:15 pm 
|
| ray>
| Also, if the above aren't it, try deleting your config.dat if it exists
| and then try deleting your arachne.pck to force a settup.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 617) Thu, Dec 22, 2005 - 12:56:21 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I'm running with build2s and switching to build2u. Build2u.exe
| is 391,856 bytes.  I have no config.dat... I have a config.log... I deleted
| arachne.pck and just got another error message about configuring
| ....I pressed enter and got the same old error message which returned me
| to the DOS cmnd line.  I can not get Arachne to start with build2u.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  618) Thu, Dec 22, 2005 - 1:31:33 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I just downloaded your email with build2u.zip attached with Juno
| W$doze software and downloaded the zip file to a directory with no
| complications.  I just tried again with arachne build2s and it also
| worked OK.  I don't know what was wrong before?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  619) Thu, Dec 22, 2005 - 10:31:23 am 
|
| ray>
| So 2u is ok now? Go figure eh?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 620) Thu, Dec 22, 2005 - 11:19:42 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Where did you get that idea, NO, BUILD2U is not OK now!
| You better re-read the last two posts again.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 621) Thu, Dec 22, 2005 - 11:24:28 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I said that  BUILD2S finally handled the BUILD2U zip attachment
| correctly...which it refused to do when I first received that attachment.
| Build2u sucks...it will not start...returns to DOS!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 622) Thu, Dec 22, 2005 - 7:22:31 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Now you got one really pissed off alpha tester.  I was running
| BUILD2S as I have been (except when testing BUILD2U) and I had my
| hotlist loaded(my hotlist had a weather forecast thingy at the top of the
| page). I pressed INSERT to make the weather graphic load and BANGGGGG!!!...
| There I was rebooting!   Everything I had accumulated on
| the ramdrive gone!   NO error message...just banggg...reboot!
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  623) Fri, Dec 23, 2005 - 3:12:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Is the weather graphic by-chance an animated GIF ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 624) Fri, Dec 23, 2005 - 5:04:33 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Yes, it is animated. It switches from zip to time to temp
| degrees F. to temp degrees C.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 625) Sat, Dec 24, 2005 - 3:42:22 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Re 618, I said that for clarification. You use of the phrase
| " ... and it *also* worked OK ..." could have been interpreted 
| as meaning that 2s and 2u both worked. As to the crash, sheesh,
| I wish I could duplicate these things. I assume you have increased
| your 'xms4allgifskb' to a sufficient number.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 626) Sat, Dec 24, 2005 - 4:43:30 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    In post #618, I was testing the email that you sent me because
| when I first received it I used BUILD2S to retrieve it fron Juno.
| I was unable to SAVE the attached BUILD2U zip with Arachne BUILD2S
| so then I had to unpack the BUILD2U.ZIP attachement manually. I posted
| this before in post #611. I know things get confusing with so many topics
| being discussed, but I was not comparing BUILD2S core with the BUILD2U
| core in post #618. <ggg> I was not even evaluating any core at all. <ggg>
| I was trying to figure out why I had to manually cull the attachment
| from your email. I never figured out why. It seems like it was another
| unexplainable "glitch in the matrix". <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 627) Sat, Dec 24, 2005 - 5:27:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And there goes that black cat again. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 628) Sat, Dec 24, 2005 - 5:40:23 pm 
|
| gregy>
| he he...what a bunch...!!!.....<g g g>
|
| To all the Arachne Community......
| I have a very real appreciation and affection for all
| of you.
| I hope and pray that you all have a Joyfull and
| Merry Christmas.....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 629) Sat, Dec 24, 2005 - 10:28:47 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, have it good guys.
|
| BTW Eric, that's 'communication' for you eh? But we stumble on as
| best we can no?  So ... I fired up build 2u and guess what: it
| crashed with a 'divide by zero' error. Those are often not seen,
| so there ya go <:-(
|
| Now here's where it gets very strange. I rebuilt using the exact
| same sources and the .exe was different. Tried it and it too crashed.
| So I started to debug by adding tracing code, and it ran just fine.
| So I removed the tracing code and .... it ran just fine and
| the .exe was different from where I started even though the
| sources compared as identical !!! This isn't "possible" (heh, heh,
| heh ...) if it was haloween I'd feel different. Anyway, the
| bad core is confirmed, trash it and I'll try to figure out what
| went wrong.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 630) Sat, Dec 24, 2005 - 10:31:02 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmm, maybe the core got fouled up during the .zip and that's why
| it didn't unpack. God knows.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 631) Sat, Dec 24, 2005 - 11:09:34 pm 
|
| gregy>
| also...."The Shadow Knows......." (eirye musik theme here...)...<g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 632) Sun, Dec 25, 2005 - 12:02:36 am 
|
| Jake>
| May you each continue to give or receive exciting/educational/kewl "toys".
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  633) Sun, Dec 25, 2005 - 5:29:06 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   The BUILD2U.ZIP unzipped with no trouble....The un-miming seemed
| to be the hang.  Arachne refused to un-attach the attachment for some
| reason.  But,  after several hours the unattachment worked...may have
| been a new Arachne setup....I can't remember! <ggg>  Too bad your having
| problems on your end...especially when you don't know the cause.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 634) Sun, Dec 25, 2005 - 10:03:39 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric, 
|
| Up early eh? I hope Santa brought you something good because you
| have definitely earned a place in the 'nice' column :-)
| Anyway, just junk 2u, something went wrong there. Oh well, these
| things do happen. Sorry to waste your time with that. Hey, I'm going
| to fill up the internal editor toolbar, there's three vacant slots,
| what should I put there? What are the most used functions?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 635) Sun, Dec 25, 2005 - 11:29:16 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Good Grief...Charlie Brown...!!!!
| ...
| The Canuck can't even wait until the New Year to begin radical retread
| of the poor ole internal editor....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 636) Mon, Dec 26, 2005 - 11:34:46 am 
|
| ray>
| Na, I've gone back to the old keys, but why not fill in the blanks
| with the toolbar? We can have 12 but only nine are used so why not
| fill it in?
|
| Eric, I've got my instalator/swapper made, seems to work ok, I'll
| fiddle with it a bit more and send.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 637) Mon, Dec 26, 2005 - 1:53:07 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray..."only nine" on the Toolbar...???  At the top of the screen...??
| ..
| I mean...I've got all 14 of them activated on my Toolbar....or are you
| talkin' 'bout a differen' Toolbar...???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 638) Mon, Dec 26, 2005 - 2:27:08 pm 
|
| ray>
| Na, there's only nine on the internal editor toolbar regardless of
| screen style. Mind you only see them with the toolbar on the right
| or in the 'big' style when the bar is on top ... unless Glenn has
| changed that very recently. And there can't be more than 12
| without them diapearing below the memory box, IINM.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 639) Mon, Dec 26, 2005 - 2:29:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| The first one is 'Write File' and the last is 'Search Text'
| right?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 640) Mon, Dec 26, 2005 - 4:01:59 pm 
|
| gregy>
| There are NO items on ANY Internal Editor "Toolbar" in any of the
| various screen layouts, or even in 800x600....what I see (and suspect
| you are referring to) is the standard "ArachneWindowToolbar"...which
| has nothing to do with the actions inside the InternalEditor (which is
| called up by pressing F4)....so...
| ...
| Just what is it, that you are talking about....???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 641) Mon, Dec 26, 2005 - 4:05:25 pm 
|
| gregy>
| What I see for a "Toolbar" when I press F4 are four boxes at the bottom
| "Save & View F2" ... "CANCEL" ... "?? Edit Help"... "eXternal editor"
| ...
| Those are the only "tools" on any toolbar that I see when I press F4..
| ..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 642) Mon, Dec 26, 2005 - 5:40:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hit F5 till the buttons are on the right side.
|
| Now place your cursor into this textarea ready to enter a post.
|
| There is the 'toolbar' Ray is talking about---------------------- ---->
|
| Write file     Ctrl+W
| Read file      Ctrl+R
| Cut            Ctrl+X
| To clipboard   Ctrl+C
| Paste          Ctrl+V
| Copy         Ctrl+K,C
| Move         Ctrl+K,M
| Delete       Ctrl+K,Y
| Search         Ctrl+Q
|
| We have room for 3 more items.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 643) Mon, Dec 26, 2005 - 6:03:23 pm 
|
| gregy>
| In 640x480 the buttons never get placed on the right side...
| ...
| Are you specifying 800x600, now,....???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 644) Mon, Dec 26, 2005 - 6:07:29 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Yes...yes you are....I pressed the "+" to go into 800x600 and then 
| pressed F4 on a page, and that "ActionsBlock" changed to the so-called
| "Toolbar" you are talking about....so....I see what Ray and you mean.
| ...
| ...but it is totally unusable to me, I NEVER use the 800x600 except in
| very rare temporary circumstances.....I need my eyes, too much...and
| I'll surely lose them quick at that resolution...
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 645) Mon, Dec 26, 2005 - 6:59:22 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Me thinks you need a 32in flatscreen momnitor. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 646) Mon, Dec 26, 2005 - 7:36:03 pm 
|
| gregy>
| yes...that would be nice....but (you knew this was coming)...if I got
| that "thing"....I'd hafta get a bigger trailer/house to have room for
| it....<g g g g>
| ...
| As it is...this 17inch is the biggest I can jam in...I actually have a
| 21inch, out in storage at the farm, but I could see that it would never
| be fit-able in here....so...17inches is the max....and...hey..it's a
| Trinitron...and really crisp...and...and...
| ...
| As long as I stay at normal human-standard resolution, instead of trying
| ant-standard resolution....why...I'm good for go....<g g g>
| We tend to forget that ALL monitors were previously 25x80, which sorta
| corresponds to 640x480.....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 647) Mon, Dec 26, 2005 - 8:21:21 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Hey, All this toolbar stuff means nothing to me since I never use the 
| toolbars with no mouse.  It's the keystrokes that are important! 
| That't damn mouse just causes errors or doesn't work when I want. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 648) Tue, Dec 27, 2005 - 12:40:09 am 
|
| gregy>
| I ALWAYS use the meese...<g>...except when I use one of those little
| "clickey-key" tricks you taught me about using the keyboard...<g g g>
| ...
| However....we hadda resolve Ray's incoherances, here...just to crank
| his tail a bit....<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 649) Tue, Dec 27, 2005 - 3:25:07 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Don't need no mouse to use the toolbars. <ggg>
|
| Just move the cursor to the appropriate place using the keyboard arrow keys.
|
| When it's over the nneded 'function' in the toolbar... press enter.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 650) Tue, Dec 27, 2005 - 6:22:06 pm 
|
| gregy>
| yes...that's the beauty of Arachne...it lets YOU use your keyboard,
| and lets ME use my mouse....<g g g g>
| ...
| I wuuuuuvvvv my Arachne...!!!!!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 651) Tue, Dec 27, 2005 - 7:26:26 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,      The tab key doesn't take cursor to toolbars.... thank
| goodness....keyboard is much more efficient! <ggg>   I only use
| arrow keys for cursor when absolutely necessary. eg. for marking
| addresses to put in Address(URL) box which aren't clickable
| in emails.  BTW leave insight alone. Sometimes those addresses
| put into emails are intentionally made non-clickable. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 652) Tue, Dec 27, 2005 - 7:46:36 pm 
|
| ray>
| Evenin' gents.
|
| Glenn, my latest project is making the IE toolbar another 'normal'
| toolbar that is created via toolbar.cfg just like all the others,
| I can't understand why it was not this way to begin with. Cutting out
| all that custom code for that toolbar saved me 1400 bytes. And since
| it's now just another toolbar it's now easy as pie to add the three
| missing items. Any suggetions?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 653) Tue, Dec 27, 2005 - 7:47:30 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric, did you get it?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 654) Tue, Dec 27, 2005 - 7:51:05 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Does anyone know enough about JPEGs to explain why some jpegs don't
| display properly with PICTVIEW. They are "fuzzy" and look kind of
| like rough pencil sketches.  They sometime do display properly
| with QV.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 655) Tue, Dec 27, 2005 - 7:56:51 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I got it.  Downloading has been slower today than the advancing
| of the Athabaska glacier.  I haven't tried it yet...probably not for
| a day or so.  I'll let you know what happens.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 656) Tue, Dec 27, 2005 - 8:05:55 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,      I still can't get Arachne to work properly with those
| weather icon thingys from wunderground.com.  They usually hangup the
| download on the last few bites....and...now I can't seem to get
| Arachne to display them.  They display real well with QV.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 657) Tue, Dec 27, 2005 - 8:23:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Those 'fuzzy' JPEGs are probably 'progressive JPEG' format
| which are similar to 'interlaced GIFs'
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 658) Tue, Dec 27, 2005 - 8:29:33 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.w3.org/Graphics/JPEG/
|
| Progressive JPEG is a means of reordering the information so that, after onl
| small part has been downloaded, a hazy view of the entire image is presented
| rather than a crisp view of just a small part. It is part of the original JP
| specification, but was not implemented in Web browsers until rather later on
| around 1996. It is now fairly widely supported.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 659) Tue, Dec 27, 2005 - 8:35:19 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to the aminated GIFs from Wunderground.
|
| Are you having trouble with them when using my compile of core.exe,
| Ray's compile, both ?
|
| Try resetting your memory specs for Animated GIFs
|
| XMS4allGIFs 4096
| XMS4oneGIF 1024
|
| Also remember that the keywords are not the same for my compile and Rays.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 660) Wed, Dec 28, 2005 - 1:18:21 am 
|
| Eric >
| glennmcc,     Thanks for the info on jpegs. They don't explain too
| much do they....nothing about advantage or disadvantage of progressive
| vs. standard jpeg format. I'll send the fuzzy by email if I can. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 661) Wed, Dec 28, 2005 - 1:24:51 am 
|
| Eric >
| Whoops, forgot to say I'm having the difficulty right now with
| a189gpll.  BTW I changed the gif values in arachne.cfg to your
| recommendations and it made no difference.  I must have some
| setting messed up cause those weather "icons" worked better
| before.  However, they never did work consistantly properly
| with any of the cores.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 662) Wed, Dec 28, 2005 - 8:39:49 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Mail:Re: Fuzzy JPEG                                                Arachne v
| file:C:\ARACHNE\MAIL\A3B2B136.CNM                      Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:3
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
|
|         "Glenn McCorkle" <glennmcc@cisnet.com> 
|   From: Arachne Fan Club 
|
|     To: "Eric S. Emerson" <*********@********> 
|
|   Reply-to:glennmcc@cisnet.com 
|
|      Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:18:07 -0500 
|
|    Mailer: Arachne v1.91;UE11 
|
|   Subject: Re: Fuzzy JPEG 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 04:18:50 -0500, Eric S. Emerson wrote:
|
| > glennmcc,
| >                  Here's that fuzzy JPEG. <ggg>
| > It's fuzzy with PICTVIEW but sharp and crisp
| > with QV.
|
| > Eric
|
| > [Attached file: Fuzzy.jpg]
|
| She's a perfectly FINE redhead as viewed here in Arachne.
|
| <ggg>
|
| And, it is a progressive JPEG
|
|  QuickView Pro. V2.56 (c) by Wolfgang Hesseler   registered  Serial No 18608
|    Automatic     320x200      640x480      800x600     1024x768     1280x102
| ----------------------------------- C:\1RECV -------------------------------
|  ..               <Dir>  7.10.04  18:25
|  LYNX             <Dir>  7.10.04  18:27
|  MP3              <Dir> 13.11.04  23:58
|  FUZZY   .JPG     22658 28.12.05  10:07
|
|                           -------- File info --------
|                           |                         |
|                           | File name: FUZZY.JPG    |
|                           | Resolution:  369 x 336  |
|                           | Colors:      16777216   |
|                           | Progressive Mode: Yes   |
|                           |                         |
|                           ---------------------------
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
| --
|  Glenn
|  http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
|  http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
|  http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html
|
|
| ============================================================================
| Arachne Insight 4.0;ML, GNUpyright (G)1997-2000 Arachne Labs
| (now being maintained by the Arachne Development team)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 663) Wed, Dec 28, 2005 - 8:43:11 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Try these settings for your animated GIFs
|
| XMS4allGIFs 1024
| XMS4oneGIF 256
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 664) Thu, Dec 29, 2005 - 8:27:27 am 
|
| vbm>
| Hi, All.
|
| well I just congratulations and
| back,;-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
| Merry Cristmas and Happy New 2006 Year!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| POKA.....
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  665) Thu, Dec 29, 2005 - 3:50:20 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hi Vladimir!
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 666) Thu, Dec 29, 2005 - 8:43:14 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Welcome back, Vladimir.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 667) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 3:13:25 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    That new setup did not work...don't have time to figure
| out what your trying to do. <ggg>   I don't understand how unzipping
| is supposed to creat a subdirectory without some additional
| parameters/switches. <ggg>  I could not find any BASE6B subdirectory.
| You can't supply a setup program and then tell the user to rewrite it
| so it will work. <ggg>  The user may choose to adapt it after he has
| got Arachne to work but he shouldn't have to re-write it from the
| get go before he has a functioning Arachne program. The readme file
| did not have echo turned off so it made everything double in directions
| and ran some directions off screen.  I don't think things got setup
| in proper directories and the cores did not seem to be changing.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 668) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 3:18:39 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I think you bit off to much again.  Don't worry about
| switching back and forth between cores until we have an install
| program that installs a working setup of your core over glennmcc's.
| Once we have that, then is the time to worry about toggling back
| and forth. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 669) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 6:40:35 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Problem with a1.89gpll....I could not get attachment
| in the email sent by Greg Mayman to the List.  The email showed
| the attachment...told me where to find it in the directory
| structure...but...it was not clickable and would not bring up
| the "save attachment" page.  What's up? <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 670) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 10:43:16 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| So much for that <:( 
| My unzip automaticaly creates the subdir but do I now recall that some
| don't? If that's the case then use whatever switch is needed. Once
| it gets as far a creating the subdir, the rest should be ok. As for
| the readme, it's not a batchfile so 'echo' should be irrelvant, no?
| Hmmm, but then again, the other files should have echo off, so 
| rodger that.
|
| As to core swapping, once you get used to it, it's very convinient,
| I do it constantly. Especialy for a tester because you can have
| batchfiles for several cores, and if you hit a snag, just swap cores
| and see if it's still there, that way Glenn and I get comparative 
| error reports which are the most valuable.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 671) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 12:52:07 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I don't know what switch is necessary...You should be telling
| me...I'm just a guinea mouse...I don't use pkzip much except to unzip
| files....not to setup subdirectories...glennmcc or whoever wanted that
| always told what switch to use if it was necessary...also if I find
| the switch I don't know what directory to be in when I use it.
| I didnt say switching cores wasn't handy...I said lets get the setup
| program working so we get a working setup before trying to enable
| core switching...First things first. <ggg>`
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 672) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 1:09:13 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    If I just received a complete package of all the necessay
| files that need to be changed/inserted(not most of the files but
| all of the files) and the simple list of steps 1,2,3,4,etc. necessary
| to place those files in the right places so that arachne can find
| them....that's all I have been asking for but never received...
| something has always been deficient or missing. I don't want a complex
| readme file...just the steps not an explanation for the steps, that's
| not necessary until the setup is correct and working.  I did my best
| to follow your directions exactly and I did not get a working setup.
| I would just once like to follow steps 1,2,3,4,etc. and have Arachne
| start and work on the 1st try with your core.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 673) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 1:31:14 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I have a suggestion concerning the IE toolbar.....forget
| about it until you get me a viable zip package that includes a
| set of ALL steps required and ALL files required to switch a running
| setup of Glenn's A189gpll over to a running setup of your Build6b core.
| We have almost been there several times and then you changed something
| else and we end up back at ground zero. If we could once get a list
| of steps that worked and then kept it current with the changes made
| you make then life could be so much simpler.  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 674) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 3:34:12 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Bbbbbbut what about my 'quickstart' section in the readme?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 675) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 3:37:42 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  About swapping cores....I've been doing it all the time lately
| also....but....I have had very limited success when I swap in your
| cores because more is required than just switching cores. To get a
| working setup with your cores other undocumented changes have been
| required. Writing batch files to switch cores is one of the skills
| I have acquired over the years if only I know the required steps and
| have all the required components and the knowledge of where those
| components go...something like a flow chart or steps 1,2,3,etc..  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   676) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 3:46:07 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ah, but that's part of the big .zip that you're having trouble with.
| And of course you ramdisk, so we don't need to worry about backing 
| stuff up!
|
| Ok:
|
| 1) unzip the .zip into some safe directory.
|
| From that directory copy:
|
| 2) cdlost.ah    to [your main arachne directory]\system\gui\
| 3) break.ah!    to [your main arachne directory]\system\gui\
| 4) keywrd2t.cfg to your main arachne directory
| 5) toolbar.c6b  to your main arachne directory\toolbar.cfg
| 6) core.e6b     to your main arachne directory\core.exe
| 7) arachne.b6b  to your main arachne directory\arachne.bat
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 677) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 3:51:44 pm 
|
| ray>
| If you can get the unzip working (I use free zip and it makes subdirs
| automagicaly but I guess pkzip is different, I can find the switches
| out but I'll bet "pkzip -h" will tell you) so that all my files
| are where they are expected to be, then I'm sure you would find
| that my 6b.bat and 187.bat would work fine, they work here anyway.
| The nice thing about my installer is that it backs up all the
| replaced files into a \187 subdir and restores them as needed.
| You are right, there are now so many files involved that it's got
| to be automated. Here I swap between about 5 cores all the time:
| 183, 187, Joe's, my 'stable' and my current.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 678) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 3:56:22 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I followed the "quickstart" directions and got a setup
| that didn't work. It was a start at steps 1,2,3,etc. but it 
| didn't really say "put this file here or replace this file with
| that file. You hid the changes in the batch files you wrote.
| You complicated things by trying to setup a core switching batch 
| file. Don't worry about switching or saving files from my working
| setup. They can all be restored with a re-install.  What I need is
| all of your correct files in the right place so I can get your core
| to work for me like it must be working for you. <ggg> 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 679) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 3:56:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| Or ...
|
| 1) unzip the file into a safe place.
| 2) create a \base6b subdirectory in your main arachne directory.
| 3) copy all the files you unziped into the above.
| 4) from that subdir run b6-inst.bat
| 5) run b6.bat to run b6.
| 6) run 187 to run the standard 187 core.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 680) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 4:02:11 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Post#676...that's the idea....I'll try it...looks simple
| enough. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 681) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 4:33:16 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I did everything in post#676 and I got an abort with:
|
| Error loading font file:
| d:\arachne\system\8x14_mht.fnt
| (free memory left = 193328
|
| I checked and I have 8x14.fnt but no 8x14_mht.fnt 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 682) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 5:08:45 pm 
|
| ray>
| You must have used my .cfg by mistake. Nuts I remember that from
| before, delete the blasted thing you must use your own .cfg. I'll
| remove it from the package or rename it to something harmless.
|
| BTW, if you like sanserif fonts may I recomend 8x14mht.fnt?
| Michal made it and I love it, I'll send if requested.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 683) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 6:16:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   You didn't make any of the changes to arachne.cfg that
| are required to make your core work.  This is what I mean when
| I say all the steps are not included.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  684) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 8:22:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| Changes to the .cfg? Are you saying your normal .cfg won't work?
| There's no way for me to make a .cfg for another person, all I can
| do is point out the differences which I do in the doc. But my 
| defaults should almost always work so your normal .cfg should work.
| If not you should get some message or other.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 685) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 9:09:13 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Yes I'm saying that Glenn's arachne.cfg requires changes
| to work with your core. It always has as long as I can remember.
| I know it needs XMS4allGIFsKB added along with some value.
| I know you use a different dialing system requiring a connect.bat 
| and a change in arachne.cfg to dial and connect and surf.
| WHat else? <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 686) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 9:17:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| As far as connection goes, sorry, I thought that had all been
| cleared up. All is as we left it:
|
| IP_address BOOTP
| Connection connect.bat
|
| Sorry Eric, I've been assuming that all these cumulative learnings
| have been retained with no need to comment further. But it does need
| to be spelled out in the doc. IIRC I just say that 'connect.txt' is
| on it's way but that hardly helps now.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 687) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 9:21:25 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I don't want some message or other....those changes should
| be listed as steps required to convert Glenn's setup to a setup
| which will work with your core.  We can try different setups
| if you wish later but first let's get a complete set of steps
| that we know will give us a working setup. Changes to arachne.cfg
| are required steps in that conversion.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 688) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 9:37:33 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   For some reason "IP address BOOTP" doesn't want to work
| for me.  There must be a reason but I haven't figured it out yet.
| As I recall, IP address %MYIP% doesn't work for you for some
| unknown reason, right?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 689) Fri, Dec 30, 2005 - 10:33:24 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    If you were running a default setup like one gets when
| installing Glenn's arachne package with all the defaults, then
| one could use your arachne.cfg with the proper personal info
| added/changed as a default arachne.cfg for your cores....but....
| since your setup is everything but a default setup then your
| arachne.cfg requires too many changes to make it work with
| a default setup which I assume is our goal since that is the
| only way we know that we're playing with the same deck. <ggg>
| Therefore, the steps to change Glenn's default arachne.cfg into
| one that will work with a default setup and your core are a
| required part of a list of conversion steps. All steps must be
| listed. If all steps are included then we know there may be a
| connection glitch but then there shouldn't be an abort because
| some file is missing or in the wrong place. <ggg> Then, if the
| testers get a sample core AFTER EACH CHANGE IN THE CORE OR NEW
| AUXILLARY FILE ADDITIONS/CHANGES....then....debugging should be
| much easier...IF THE LIST OF REQUIRED changes is kept current. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 690) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 1:11:46 am 
|
| Eric>
| Well Ray,   I finally had a working setup of base6b and I was
| surfing when it suddenly did a reboot....everything gone.
| So now I'm writing this with a fresh a189gpll install. <ggg>
| The same thing happen with an install of your core earlier
| thi evening.  No error messages...just BANG...REBOOT. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 691) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 9:48:55 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I am writing this post with a setup of your 1.85 B6-b:2S
| from your BASE6B.ZIP. This was set up from a batch file I just
| wrote....including adding changes to arachne.cfg in my A189gpll
| installation.  However, please note, this is also the same
| setup that suddenly.....BANG.....REBOOT.....with no error
| messages and no warning.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 692) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 9:54:14 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I think there are other changes that should be made
| to arachne.cfg that I am not aware of....If you would only
| send me your config.log that I have asked for many times
| I could make a comparison with mine now that BASE6B files & core
| are now running.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 693) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 10:32:48 am 
|
| ray>
| Good morning Eric,
|
| Reading backwards I see (mirabele dictu!) that it works.
| Now going back to the top ...
|
| So what were those necessary changes to the .cfg? Now that you
| know, tell me and I'll do something about it. BTW, note that
| my install routine assumes use of one .cfg for both cores but
| mentions that the user might want to changes that. Sounds like that
| should be the default behavior no? That way, you make whatever 
| changes you need in \base6b\arachne.c6b, modify 6b.bat to copy in
| *that* file over arachne.cfg, modify 187.bat to recopy \187\arachne.c87
| back over arachne.cfg -- and each core has its own .cfg.
|
| As to the BANG, keep me posted, I can't hardly ask you to put up with
| that sort of ballony.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 694) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 11:24:15 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I just followed the 1,2,3,...,7 steps you finally sent me
| and then added some things you left out to write the batch file
| for conversion to your arachne setup. Sometimes you remind me of
| a Physics professor I once had that liked to give us weekly problems
| to solve. He would copy the problems from astronomy books, engineering
| books, or from sources only he would dream up.  The problem was that
| he always went by the axiom that time is one's enemy and everything
| had to be done quickly....so....he often didn't adequately proof read
| his handout problems and he left out crucial data that made some problems
| un-solvable. In the unfortunate end he died of a heart attack in his late
| fifties or early sixties. But many students beat their brains trying to
| solve his unsolvable problems.  He scared many students out of his class.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  695) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 1:49:20 pm 
|
| ray>
| I love to give people puzzles and problems, I know hundreds of 'em,
| but it is strictly agains the Geneva Conventions to give a problem that
| is insoluble, for exactly the reasons you mention. The difference 
| with this situation is that we are creating something who's
| parameters are as yet unknown, so proper instructions are as yet
| undefined. My situation and yours are so different that it is impossible
| for me to know all the things that I might not have thought of that 
| work here but not there. Just one tiny example: my DOS has echo off
| by default, I don't need to "@echo off" at the tops of my .bats
| and I wouldn't think of that until it's pointed out by someone with
| a different setup. There are a thousand things like that. It won't be
| perfect until it's been run by several people who can each point out
| things that haven't been thought of. All of us work in worlds in which
| a million things are taken for granted (we'd go nuts otherwise), the
| problem is that the set of 'obvious' things is different from me to 
| you to Glenn to Gregy ...
|
| Anyway, I'd be obliged to see the extra changes you had to make so
| I can incorporate them in my setup. A few more guys want to try it
| and I'd like to avoid past mistakes.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 696) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 4:12:05 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    All I did was follow the steps you finally gave me and
| did my best to remember and find some of the other arachne.cfg
| changes that have come up previously. Please, please, please...
| send me your config.log so I don't have to go crazy searching
| and comparing. You keep telling me how handy that log is for making 
| comparisons but you haven't yet sent yours to me so I can make
| such comparisons.  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   697) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 4:47:42 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Get the impression that config.log is designed for
| Ray to compare with others.... not for others to compare with Ray's ?
|
| <ggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 698) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 5:03:33 pm 
|
| ray>
| Enlightenment! Shit, I gotta admit guys that is how I've been thinking
| about it. Not 'thinking' that's deliberate, but just unconsiously
| assuming that this would be of use to me only. Here it is:
|
|
| Flags defaulting to YES(1):
|
| Autodial          Y
| CacheFonts        Y
| Cookies           Y
| EditHotlistEntry  Y
| HTTPS2HTTP        Y
| HTTPreferer       Y
| KeepHTT           Y
| Kill468x60        Y
| RightMouseBack    Y
| UseAuthSMTP       N
| UseBinaryFTP      Y
| UseSignature      N
|
| Flags defaulting to NO(0):
|
| AutoF3key         Y
| Cache2TEMP        N
| CSS               N
| ExitOnHangup      N
| Experimental      Y
| Frames            N
| HTTPKeepAlive     Y
| IGNOREBASEHREF    N
| IGNOREJS          N
| KeepOnServer      N
| KillSent          N
| LoadImages        Y
| MailIsDesktop     N
| NoHELO            N
| POP3log           Y
| QADT              N
| ReloadIndex       Y
| SavePasswords     N
| SmoothScroll      Y
| SMTPlog           Y
| UseCDescr         N
| UseCID            N
| UseConfigDat      Y
| UseFTPproxy       N
| UseKeyMap         N
| UseProxy          N
| UseReplyto        N
| VFAT              N
|
| Character values (NOT flags):
|
| ESC               B
| CursorType        F
| Multitasking      Y
| ScreenMode        A
| ScreenSaverStyle  R
| ScrollBarStyle    W
|
| Numeric values:
|
| ExpireDynamic     3600
| ExpireStatic      86400
| MinDiskSpaceKB    128
| ScreenSaver       0
| XMS4allGifsKB     15000
| ASCIIwidth        80
| ColorColdMouse    11
| ColorHotMouse     10
| ColorInk          0
| ColorPaper        7
| FontShift         0
| Logo              12000
| PostScriptHeight  297
| PostScriptWidth   210
| RefreshDelay      20
| ScreenSaverColors 0
| ScreenSaverMess   10
| ScrollBarSize     14
| ScrollStep        1000
| VirtualScreen     5000
|
| String values with defaults:
|
| AfterPOP3         file:inbox.dgi
| AfterSMTP         file:outbox.dgi
| CachePath         X:\ARACHNE\
| CookieFile        cookies.lst
| eMail             randrews@995.ca
| FILEargs          -l
| History           history.lst
| HomePage          http://www.google.com/webhp/
| Hotlist           hotlist.htm
| Index             *.*
| JPEGargs          -bmp
| MailBodyEncoding  8bit
| MailPath          U:\MAIL\
| MyCharset         US-ASCII
| SearchEngine      http://www.google.com/search
| SysFont           8x14_mht.fnt
| Toolbar           toolbar.cfg
|
| String values without defaults:
|
| AcceptCharset     ISO-8859-1,*
| AltGateway        0.0.0.0
| AltNameServer     
| AuthSMTPpassword  
| AuthSMTPusername  
| Background        NUL
| Base              0x2f8
| BgColor           #C4C4C4
| Connection        @call connect.bat
| DialPage          file:pppenhan.htm
| DownloadPath      W:\DOWNLOAD\
| Editor            pedit
| F3key             file:*.htm
| FakeFTPeMail      
| FTPpassword       
| FTPpath           ray/junk0.txt
| FTPproxy          
| FTPserver         ftp.tripod.com
| FTPusername       arachne-gpl
| Gateway           0.0.0.0
| Hangup            @termin.com 0x60 > NUL
| HTMLbgColor       #C4C4C4
| HTMLlink          #0000C4
| HTMLtext          #000000
| HTTPproxy         proxy.provider.com:8080
| IP_Address        BOOTP
| Link              #0000C4
| MailEncoding      MIME
| NameServer        
| Netmask           0.0.0.0
| NoFTPproxy        
| NoFTPproxy4all    
| NoProxy           
| NoProxy4all       
| Organization      Arachne Development Club
| PersonalName      Ray Andrews
| POP3password      
| POP3server        mail.995.ca
| POP3username      randrews
| PPPpassword       
| PPPusername       
| PrintURL          
| Profile           995.CA
| ProxyPassword     
| ProxyUsername     
| SearchPage        http://www.google.com/search
| SignatureFile     SIGN.TXT
| SMTPserver        mail.995.ca
| TCPconfig         ppptcp.cfg
| TerminalWindow    @MINITERM.EXE
| Text              #000000
| TimeZone          -0800
| Keymap1           
| Keymap2           
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 699) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 5:06:19 pm 
|
| ray>
| I was thinking about making a little utility that would rearange
| the .log in a more useful order. As it is now, it's obviously by
| data type, which is sorta how it needs to be made, but it would be
| easy to have it reordered into some logical catatoryies.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 700) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 5:09:05 pm 
|
| ray>
| Now, all Eric has to do is send me his one that works and I'll 
| quickly find out which defaults of mine ain't working :-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 701) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 5:29:00 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I know that my setups are different from yours. No two people set
| things up the same....not even M$doze people. I don't want things to
| be changed in my systems unless I know what and who is doing it and
| only when I allow/confirm it. I don't want my unzip program to be changing m
| hard drive tree unless I tell it to. When I unzip something
| I usually want it to remain in the directory I unzip it into and I don't wan
| to end up in some newly created directory. If I am running a 
| setup program for a new installation, then that is a different situation
| and appropriate switches are set to create the new setup. I am even too
| lazy to type out the full name of the unzip program and I run it from 
| batch files...pku.bat and pkz.bat.  But the point is, until I see the steps
| 1,2,3,etc. that you have used to convert/change a setup to your
| way...I can not evaluate if those are valid changes for my setup. So,
| I have to spend hours digging and interpreting to find those steps or
| you can provide me with a list of your steps which I can then evaluate
| and use as needed. The latter method is much easier and faster for
| getting a working alpha system for evaluation and debugging. It's like
| rebuilding a car engine....I can do it without directions but I can do
| it better and easier if I have the factory original shop manual written
| specifically for that engine and which shows and describes the special
| tools designed to perform special tasks on that specific engine. Then
| I can either obtain that special tool or improvise my own method which
| ever will work best for me.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  702) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 5:44:20 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Maybe Ray loves his log too much...but...I figure he
| has just been doing to much of that DEEP FREE DIVING and one has to
| keep repeating things to finally elicit any response.
| <ggggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  703) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 6:07:04 pm 
|
| gregy>
| he he he....way to go, guys....
| ...<g g g>
| ..
| This board will be archived about midnight, my time....save your New
| Years greetings for after the archive....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 704) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 6:32:14 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Here's the current config.log:
|
|
| Flags defaulting to YES(1):
|
| Autodial          N
| CacheFonts        Y
| Cookies           Y
| EditHotlistEntry  Y
| HTTPS2HTTP        Y
| HTTPreferer       Y
| KeepHTT           Y
| Kill468x60        Y
| RightMouseBack    Y
| UseAuthSMTP       Y
| UseBinaryFTP      Y
| UseSignature      Y
|
| Flags defaulting to NO(0):
|
| AutoF3key         Y
| Cache2TEMP        Y
| CSS               N
| ExitOnHangup      N
| Experimental      N
| Frames            Y
| HTTPKeepAlive     N
| IGNOREBASEHREF    N
| IGNOREJS          N
| KeepOnServer      Y
| KillSent          N
| LoadImages        N
| MailIsDesktop     N
| NoHELO            N
| POP3log           N
| QADT              N
| ReloadIndex       N
| SavePasswords     Y
| SmoothScroll      N
| SMTPlog           N
| UseCDescr         N
| UseCID            N
| UseConfigDat      N
| UseFTPproxy       N
| UseKeyMap         N
| UseProxy          N
| UseReplyto        N
| VFAT              N
|
| Character values (NOT flags):
|
| ESC               B
| CursorType        S
| Multitasking      S
| ScreenMode        A
| ScreenSaverStyle  R
| ScrollBarStyle    N
|
| Numeric values:
|
| ExpireDynamic     3600
| ExpireStatic      86400
| MinDiskSpaceKB    128
| ScreenSaver       10
| XMS4allGifsKB     4096
| ASCIIwidth        78
| ColorColdMouse    11
| ColorHotMouse     10
| ColorInk          0
| ColorPaper        7
| FontShift         0
| Logo              12000
| PostScriptHeight  297
| PostScriptWidth   210
| RefreshDelay      20
| ScreenSaverColors 0
| ScreenSaverMess   10
| ScrollBarSize     14
| ScrollStep        1000
| VirtualScreen     0
|
| String values with defaults:
|
| AfterPOP3         file:inbox.dgi
| AfterSMTP         file:outbox.dgi
| CachePath         CACHE\
| CookieFile        .\COOKIES.LST
| eMail             xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.com
| FILEargs          -d
| History           .\HISTORY.LST
| HomePage          file:home.bmp
| Hotlist           .\HOTLIST.HTM
| Index             *.htm
| JPEGargs          -bmp -fast
| MailBodyEncoding  7bit
| MailPath          MAIL\
| MyCharset         US-ASCII
| SearchEngine      http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?q=
| SysFont           8x14.fnt
| Toolbar           toolbar.cfg
|
| String values without defaults:
|
| AcceptCharset     ISO-8859-1,*
| AltGateway        0.0.0.0
| AltNameServer     xxx.xxx.xxx.xx
| AuthSMTPpassword
| AuthSMTPusername  
| Background        NUL
| Base              0x3f8
| BgColor           #000000
| Connection        @call connect.bat 
| DialPage          file:c:\telnet.apm
| DownloadPath      DOWNLOAD\
| Editor            
| F3key             file:*.htm
| FakeFTPeMail      
| FTPpassword       xxxxxx
| FTPpath           /home/user/
| FTPproxy          
| FTPserver         
| FTPusername       user
| Gateway           0.0.0.0
| Hangup            @termin.com 0x60>NUL
| HTMLbgColor       #C4C4C4
| HTMLlink          #0000C4
| HTMLtext          #000000
| HTTPproxy         proxy.provider.com:8080
| IP_Address        %MYIP%
| Link              #00FF00
| MailEncoding      MIME
| NameServer        xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
| Netmask           0.0.0.0
| NoFTPproxy        
| NoFTPproxy4all    
| NoProxy           
| NoProxy4all       
| Organization      Arachne Fan Club
| PersonalName      xxxxxxxx
| POP3password      xxxxxxxx
| POP3server        mail.xxxxxxxx.com
| POP3username      xxxxxxxx
| PPPpassword       xxxxxxxx
| PPPusername       xxxxxxxx
| PrintURL          
| Profile           486PC.ACF
| ProxyPassword     
| ProxyUsername     
| SearchPage        http://search.arachne.cz/
| SignatureFile     SIGN.TXT
| SMTPserver        mail.xxxxxxxx.com
| TCPconfig         PPPTCP.CFG
| TerminalWindow    @MINITERM.EXE
| Text              #F0F0F0
| TimeZone          +0000
| Keymap1           
| Keymap2           
|
|
| ============================================================================