DOS Testers1 Message Board Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:38:18 ______________________________________________________________________________ | ============================================================================ | | 1) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 12:04:44 am | | gregy> | New board... | | ============================================================================ | | 2) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 12:15:31 am | | gregy> | Last 4 messages: | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 701) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 5:29:00 pm | | | | Eric> | | Ray, I know that my setups are different from yours. No two | | people set | | things up the same....not even M$doze people. I don't want things to | | be changed in my systems unless I know what and who is doing it and | | only when I allow/confirm it. I don't want my unzip program to be | | changing my hard drive tree unless I tell it to. When I unzip | | something | | I usually want it to remain in the directory I unzip it into and I | | don't want it to end up in some newly created directory. If I am | | running a | | setup program for a new installation, then that is a different | | situation | | and appropriate switches are set to create the new setup. I am even | | too | | lazy to type out the full name of the unzip program and I run it | | from | | batch files...pku.bat and pkz.bat. But the point is, until I see | | the steps 1,2,3,etc. that you have used to convert/change a setup | | to your | | way...I can not evaluate if those are valid changes for my setup. | | So, | | I have to spend hours digging and interpreting to find those steps | | or | | you can provide me with a list of your steps which I can then | | evaluate | | and use as needed. The latter method is much easier and faster for | | getting a working alpha system for evaluation and debugging. It's | | like | | rebuilding a car engine....I can do it without directions but I can | | do | | it better and easier if I have the factory original shop manual | | written | | specifically for that engine and which shows and describes the | | special | | tools designed to perform special tasks on that specific engine. | | Then | | I can either obtain that special tool or improvise my own method | | which | | ever will work best for me. | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 702) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 5:44:20 pm | | | | Eric> | | glennmcc, Maybe Ray loves his log too much...but...I figure he | | has just been doing to much of that DEEP FREE DIVING and one has to | | keep repeating things to finally elicit any response. | | | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 703) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 6:07:04 pm | | | | gregy> | | he he he....way to go, guys.... | | ... | | .. | | This board will be archived about midnight, my time....save your New | | Years greetings for after the archive.... | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 704) Sat, Dec 31, 2005 - 6:32:14 pm | | | | Eric> | | Ray, Here's the current config.log: | | | | | | Flags defaulting to YES(1): | | | | Autodial N | | CacheFonts Y | | Cookies Y | | EditHotlistEntry Y | | HTTPS2HTTP Y | | HTTPreferer Y | | KeepHTT Y | | Kill468x60 Y | | RightMouseBack Y | | UseAuthSMTP Y | | UseBinaryFTP Y | | UseSignature Y | | | | Flags defaulting to NO(0): | | | | AutoF3key Y | | Cache2TEMP Y | | CSS N | | ExitOnHangup N | | Experimental N | | Frames Y | | HTTPKeepAlive N | | IGNOREBASEHREF N | | IGNOREJS N | | KeepOnServer Y | | KillSent N | | LoadImages N | | MailIsDesktop N | | NoHELO N | | POP3log N | | QADT N | | ReloadIndex N | | SavePasswords Y | | SmoothScroll N | | SMTPlog N | | UseCDescr N | | UseCID N | | UseConfigDat N | | UseFTPproxy N | | UseKeyMap N | | UseProxy N | | UseReplyto N | | VFAT N | | | | Character values (NOT flags): | | | | ESC B | | CursorType S | | Multitasking S | | ScreenMode A | | ScreenSaverStyle R | | ScrollBarStyle N | | | | Numeric values: | | | | ExpireDynamic 3600 | | ExpireStatic 86400 | | MinDiskSpaceKB 128 | | ScreenSaver 10 | | XMS4allGifsKB 4096 | | ASCIIwidth 78 | | ColorColdMouse 11 | | ColorHotMouse 10 | | ColorInk 0 | | ColorPaper 7 | | FontShift 0 | | Logo 12000 | | PostScriptHeight 297 | | PostScriptWidth 210 | | RefreshDelay 20 | | ScreenSaverColors 0 | | ScreenSaverMess 10 | | ScrollBarSize 14 | | ScrollStep 1000 | | VirtualScreen 0 | | | | String values with defaults: | | | | AfterPOP3 file:inbox.dgi | | AfterSMTP file:outbox.dgi | | CachePath CACHE\ | | CookieFile .\COOKIES.LST | | eMail xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.com | | FILEargs -d | | History .\HISTORY.LST | | HomePage file:home.bmp | | Hotlist .\HOTLIST.HTM | | Index *.htm | | JPEGargs -bmp -fast | | MailBodyEncoding 7bit | | MailPath MAIL\ | | MyCharset US-ASCII | | SearchEngine http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?q= | | SysFont 8x14.fnt | | Toolbar toolbar.cfg | | | | String values without defaults: | | | | AcceptCharset ISO-8859-1,* | | AltGateway 0.0.0.0 | | AltNameServer xxx.xxx.xxx.xx | | AuthSMTPpassword | | AuthSMTPusername | | Background NUL | | Base 0x3f8 | | BgColor #000000 | | Connection @call connect.bat | | DialPage file:c:\telnet.apm | | DownloadPath DOWNLOAD\ | | Editor | | F3key file:*.htm | | FakeFTPeMail | | FTPpassword xxxxxx | | FTPpath /home/user/ | | FTPproxy | | FTPserver | | FTPusername user | | Gateway 0.0.0.0 | | Hangup @termin.com 0x60>NUL | | HTMLbgColor #C4C4C4 | | HTMLlink #0000C4 | | HTMLtext #000000 | | HTTPproxy proxy.provider.com:8080 | | IP_Address %MYIP% | | Link #00FF00 | | MailEncoding MIME | | NameServer xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx | | Netmask 0.0.0.0 | | NoFTPproxy | | NoFTPproxy4all | | NoProxy | | NoProxy4all | | Organization Arachne Fan Club | | PersonalName xxxxxxxx | | POP3password xxxxxxxx | | POP3server mail.xxxxxxxx.com | | POP3username xxxxxxxx | | PPPpassword xxxxxxxx | | PPPusername xxxxxxxx | | PrintURL | | Profile 486PC.ACF | | ProxyPassword | | ProxyUsername | | SearchPage http://search.arachne.cz/ | | SignatureFile SIGN.TXT | | SMTPserver mail.xxxxxxxx.com | | TCPconfig PPPTCP.CFG | | TerminalWindow @MINITERM.EXE | | Text #F0F0F0 | | TimeZone +0000 | | Keymap1 | | Keymap2 | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | ============================================================================ | | 3) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 1:33:02 am | | Eric> | Gregy, HAPPY NEW YEAR to BEAR COUNTRY | | . HAPPY NEW YEAR to EVERYONE | | . May this year be better than last year !! ..... | | . No matter how good last years was !! | | | ============================================================================ | | 4) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 1:55:35 am | | Eric> | Ray, Sent you zipped disk by email. You can just unzip it to a floppy | and stick the floppy in drive A:. In fact you can save the attachment | to a floppy and then just unzip it to the floppy. The zip file and | the unzipped files are only about 606kb. I would then copy the | Switch To Ray's Core dot bat (strc.bat) file to your main Arachne | directory (for me d:\arachne\) and run it from there. It will not | actually work properly unless you change all the D:'s to what ever | drive you are running Arachne on. | | ============================================================================ | | 5) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 2:16:45 am | | Eric> | Ray, Also will you please delete my personal info from lsppp.cfg | and replace it with yours or you will dial a long distance phone | number. Or just copy your lsppp.cfg over the one on the | floppy. | | ============================================================================ | | 6) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 2:27:16 am | | gregy> | yes, Eric, and a Blessed and Happy New Year to you and yours... | ... | AND...to all....HAPPY NEW YEAR...!!!!!! | | | | ============================================================================ | | 7) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 4:00:25 am | | Eric> | Ray, Look for a new copy of strc.bat | It uses 2 parameters.... strc %1 %2 | %1 = version ID eg. 6B for BASE6B.zip | %2 = The drive letter only ( no : ) that Arachne is installed on | | In my case: strc 6B D | | | ============================================================================ | | 8) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 4:38:07 am | | gregy> | gee wiz...Eric, you'd think you were gonna get to sleep in, tomorrow | morning.... | .. | and...I think it's MUCH healthier than screaming around from bar-to-bar | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 9) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 5:28:58 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I'm not a bar hopper...not that I'm a tea toteler | either. I'm still feeding that crazy cat that has taken up | residence on my porch. I still can't get close enough to touch it. | It always makes sure to stay just out of my reach. It doesn't | turn down any of the food though. I also caught a raccoon up | on my roof the other night. It scurried off in a hurry. Darn | coons are too smart for their own good...gonna have to set my | trap. I have more trouble with anmimal pests here in the city | than I ever had in the country. | | | ============================================================================ | | 10) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 6:51:12 am | | Eric> | Ray, Well, It just happened again....BANG....Reboot....no warning!! | So, tried out the Switch To Ray's Core batch file again....Worked | fine....just had to remember to fill in my personal info in | the lsppp.cfg file. I wonder what's causing those reboots? | Sorry I don't even know what page was loading...I do remember it | looked like the graphics were screwed up just before the crash. | | ============================================================================ | | 11) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 8:01:09 am | | Eric> | Well Ray, Another bug-a-boo! I just reinstalled your | BASE6B.zip again with out any trouble....went smooth as silk... | THEN....I tried to pickup my email....but....I forgot to enter | my name, password, etc.....Well, I got this full page message | that kept scrolling...it gave 3 choices, one of which was press | ESC to get back to Arachne. I press ESC a million times and nothing | happened...I tried CTRL-ALT-ESC and nothing happened...the message | kept on scrolling,,,So, I tried CTRL-BREAK and Arachne shut down... | but the video was in the wrong mode,,,so...I entered QV at the | prompt to load Quickview...this straightened out the video but | disabled the keyboard...so I had to use RESET button, and I tried | out my STRC.BAT again. I thought the function of that mail error | routine was to avoid a lockup. | | ============================================================================ | | 12) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 8:48:01 am | | glennmcc> | Unfortunately, (avoid != prevent) | | | ============================================================================ | | 13) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 8:50:02 am | | glennmcc> | Oh yeah, BTW..... | | HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE !!! | | | ============================================================================ | | 14) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 8:54:51 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, I don't understand post#12....Am I supposed to | understand it? | | ============================================================================ | | 15) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 8:59:19 am | URL | | Eric> | glennmcc, Got it....avoid doesn't mean/equal prevent lockups ! | Yah, I know...but...had to ask anyhow ! | | | ============================================================================ | | 16) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 11:32:40 am | | ray> | Eric, | | The one good clue in these crashes seems to be video mode trouble. | How much memory does your video card have? Even my 486 has 1MB and | I have no trouble but if you have 512K there could be some bug there | that I've never had a chance to see. I could find an older card and | try it in the 486. | | | ============================================================================ | | 17) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 11:36:59 am | | ray> | As to the mail thing, was the message this: | | | | ÉÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ | º | º THERE HAS BEEN AN ABORT OR A USER BREAK | º | º | º | º | º | º Press 'ESC' to quit downloading and go to the inbox now. | º Press 'C' to try to continue downloading this message. | º Press 'S' to skip over this message and continue downloading. | º Press 'D' to delete this message and continue downloading. | º | º Note, in all of the above, successfully downloaded messages will be | º deleted from the server (if 'keeponserver NO') and except if you press 'D | º the message that was downloading when the ESC or abort happened will | º remain on the server. Partially downloaded messages may exist in the | º inbox too, so more than one 'edition' of some messages may end up in the | º inbox at the next download of mail. | º | º Spontaneous aborts are usually caused by spam emails. You should probabl | º check your inbox to confirm it is spam, then Delete it with 'D' on the | º next email download when you see the progress indicator stall or | º this screen reappears. | º | ÈÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ | | ... or somehthing else (sorry about the border characters) | | | ============================================================================ | | 18) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 12:23:52 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Yes....post#17 is the error message that was scrolling | continuously. | | | ============================================================================ | | 19) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 12:41:46 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Gregy keeps wanting to increase the envir....do you think | that would affect this problem. I don't think it's my video card | unless you have done something new with the video...I haven't | had any trouble before. I do remember long ago, years ago, when | I was new with Arachne and was foolish enough to set it up for | autoloading of graphics that the video would get set to a very | slow tracing mode so that it would take about 30 sec. for the | trace to run from top to bottom of the screen. When it aborts now | I think it goes into a mode of 80 characters across and 40 lines down. | | | ============================================================================ | | 20) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 12:54:56 pm | | Eric> | Ray, About the cache.idx...I think you fixed that already... | you said you were going to....I haven't noticed it in the cache | but I'll check for it. | | ============================================================================ | | 21) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 1:21:50 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Why don't you just do an install of Glenn's a189gpll.exe | and then run my strc.bat. | when you do the install make sure you use the default video | settings. I set the max resol to 800x600 I think it is....not | the highest one. Make sure that you use the 2nd zip copy that | I sent you. I think it will work just the way it is if you | follow the directions I've already given you in the previous posts. | I repeat...USE THE SECOND BATCH FILE THAT I ATTACHED TO THE | SECOND EMAIL. | | | ============================================================================ | | 22) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 1:33:46 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Read (save) posts #4,#5,#7 carefully. Those posts | describe the use of the batch file strc.bat . | the size of strc.bat should be about 2337 bytes. | The first strc.bat that I sent was smaller. | | ============================================================================ | | 23) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 3:21:41 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Got it. Good ideas there, but I very much doubt that the problem | is due to anything of that kind, but we'll see ... | | ============================================================================ | | 24) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 3:36:48 pm | | ray> | I think I see at least part of the problem with the email | message, I modified it without checking for 480x640 mode and it's | too long so it scrolls of the page, but it shouln't continue | running on. Let me just look into that ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 25) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 3:48:28 pm | | ray> | We both use "B" as our ESC setting so that message should only pop | up when you press ESC during email download, or if there is an | abort, then it should wait for a keystroke from you. Heck it | *has* to wait, there's a 'getch()' in there, forcing the program to | get a keystroke. | | | ============================================================================ | | 26) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 4:35:22 pm | | glennmcc> | If you hold the ESC key down too long... it'll get a 2nd, 3rd or 4th | keystroke due to 'key-repeat' like this | | press/release == e | | press/hold == eeeeeee | | ============================================================================ | | 27) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 8:01:14 pm | | Eric> | Ray, How do I remove that BREAK.AH! attachment from your | email with Arachne? The attachment icon next to it is a big | black box with a question mark in it. When I click on it I get | a browser page reading the attachment as if it is a TXT file. | By the way, why is BREAK.AH! a text file instead of a HTML | document like all the other AH files? | | | ============================================================================ | | 28) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 8:12:42 pm | | glennmcc> | If you clicked on it and it displayed... you _have_ 'detatched' it from | the email. | | After clicking on it... hit F2 to save it somewhere. | | ============================================================================ | | 29) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 8:20:04 pm | | glennmcc> | Oh yeah, | | Because its extension is .AH! not .AH | | Rename it as break.ah and it will work as expected. | | All local files are handled according to their respective line in | mime.cfg which is 'keyed' to the file extension. | | file/.ah HTM | | A .AH! file would require the addition of this line into mime.cfg | | file/.ah! HTM | | | ============================================================================ | | 30) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 8:48:11 pm | | glennmcc> | If you would like .AH files which you attach to emails to be given | content-type: text/html | (therefore being attached as-is instead of getting encoded as | application/octet-stream) | | Insert an addition line for text/html just below the current one. | | [MIME] | text/html HTM | text/html AH | text/plain TXT | | | If you want it to be sent as 'content-type: text/plain' | | [MIME] | text/html HTM | text/plain TXT | text/plain AH | | But remember to place your new additional line _below_ the current one | for that particular content-type. | | If you place it _above_ ... then the current action take for that | content type will be over-ridden and it won't work correctly anymore. | | Placeing it _below_ the current one will simply change the way .AH files | get attached to emails but will not effect what happens to anything else. | | | ============================================================================ | | 31) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 9:06:59 pm | | Eric> | Ray, If you create a setup as close to mine as possible, using | the same setup files, it might make finding the bugs easier to | duplicate and find. The setup takes little time and could save | some bug hunting time and effort. Nothing helps more than seeing | the glitch occur. | | ============================================================================ | | 32) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 9:14:50 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Thanks for the info on attachments....I understand | it better now...I knew it was something like that but I didn't | know the specifics. BTW, I found it in my D:\Tmp\arachne directory | and retrieved it with my editor since it was in text fromat. | | ============================================================================ | | 33) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 9:17:28 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, CORRECTION....BREAK.AH! was in my d:\tmp\ directory. | Faulty memory ! | | | ============================================================================ | | 34) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 9:50:48 pm | | glennmcc> | Ah ha, | | You have cache2temp enabled. | | If it were disabled, that file would have been in your cache dir instead | of the temp dir. | | ============================================================================ | | 35) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 10:41:44 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I had an HTML version of BREAK.AH loaded in Arachne. | That is: URL file://d:\break.ah | | I pressed the minus (-) to change resolution and I got a black screen | with this message at the top: | | Unable to initialize video mode. Press CTRL+BREAK to quit, or | any other key to try again ... | | I pressed CTRL-BREAK and returned to DOS | Then I entered arachne at the prompt and pressed enter | I got the same message as above again and it only goes away | with a CTRL-BREAK return to DOS. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 36) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 10:53:12 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | It's an 'ah!' because it doesn't deserve to be called an 'ah' becuause | it's plain text. The way I'm handling these email aborts is such | that the users input must be handled right then and there -- there's | no way to reload a nice html page without loosing the 'situation' | if you catch my drift. One day I'd like to do better but for now | it seems to at least work ok. | | As to the graphics thing, yes, if you have a bad mode, it goes into | a silly loop, in the batchfile, a trivial thing but I must fix it. | Now, I'll bet this is the nub of the problem: when you press minus | it should go a low as 640x480 and just stop there, it shouldn't | find some impossible video mode 'below' that because there isn't | one, so this has to be a bug. Funny thing is I can't duplicate it | here, that message you see happens if some video mode can't be | used but how can that be when trying to go 'down' in res?? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 37) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 10:54:59 pm | | ray> | This 'break.ah' what is it? I have no such file, if I did, I'd never | choose a name so close for my new file. | | | ============================================================================ | | 38) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 10:58:55 pm | | ray> | Oh, and of course you are right, there's nothing like seeing the | problem, for me it's near essential, I don't have Glenn's | bloodhound nose for sniffing these things out at a distance. | I'll try more experiments with your .log tomorrow but so far | I just can't make my core crash even on the 486. | Gotta be the video ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 39) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 11:10:40 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I was writing a nice HTML page of the BREAK.AH! warning. | It was just displayed as I wrote before from the URL box. | I would have know effect on Arachne. I think your right, it tried to | lower resolution and it couldn't. My question is can I correct | the video without a reboot? | | | ============================================================================ | | 40) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 11:20:39 pm | | Eric> | Ray, did you do an install from scratch like I described? | If you did you can compare my config.log with your config.log | to see if your setup is the same as mine or where it's different. | You have to get a setup the "same" as mine to be able to make any | reasonable comparisons. I can even send you any of the config files | so they can be the same except for personal info. | | ============================================================================ | | 41) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 11:35:34 pm | | gregy> | Eric...you HAVE been automagically making a copy of your ARACHNE.PCK | file, as I once stoutly recommended, haven't you....??? | .... | If so, just copy your copy (say it's named ARACHNE.PCX, per my suggest) | to ARACHNE.PCK, and you're back in business... | .. | If it's really the .PCK that's blitzed, and you haven't a .PCX backup | copy...why...then....you're buggered..... | ... | 'fraid it's a reboot, old man..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 42) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 11:37:30 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I got it back....I deleted the PCK file and then restarted | arachne with arachne at the command line. Arachne started with | the video setup page (vga.htm) displayed. I did the default setup | except I picked the 800x600 as maximum resolution. It is now | running. | | | ============================================================================ | | 43) Sun, Jan 01, 2006 - 11:53:23 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Thanks.....the Arachne.pck rebuilt itself after I deleted | it from d:\arachne\. | | ============================================================================ | | 44) Mon, Jan 02, 2006 - 12:08:04 am | | gregy> | yep...that's the OTHER way of doing it....rebuild it...instead of just | copy-over.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 45) Mon, Jan 02, 2006 - 5:53:07 am | | Eric> | Ray, I have tried changing the screen resolution with your core | again, now. I have presses "+" several times and the print keeps | getting smaller (2 or 3 times) until the limit is reached and repeated | pressing of "+" does not lock up Arachne nor cause an abort or error | message. Now, I'll try "-"........OHHH-OHHH.....got that black screen | and the same "Unable to initialize video mode." message. BRB.....I | deleted arachne.pck and Arachne started with the "Arachne Video Setup" | (vga.htm) and I'm back in business. | | | ============================================================================ | | 46) Mon, Jan 02, 2006 - 7:53:27 am | | Eric> | Ray, I just got an xSwap error when I pressed the space bar to return | to arachne from the screensaver. line 415 in the IEKERNAL I think | it was. | | ============================================================================ | | 47) Mon, Jan 02, 2006 - 10:25:24 am | | ray> | Mornin' Eric, | | First things first, this video thing. I just found out I can duplicate | that on my 486 with an older card, but going up not down, anyway | I'll put a guard against unsuported resolutions in today, I've been | meaning to do that for some time. | | | ============================================================================ | | 48) Mon, Jan 02, 2006 - 1:01:10 pm | | Eric> | Ray, That darn "return from screensaver" thing again. I was a little off | file IEKERNEL.C . | | | ============================================================================ | | 49) Mon, Jan 02, 2006 - 1:20:06 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I thought that "unsupported resolutions" thing was taken | care of already....or....was that just in Glenn's core? I thought | that is the reason for "maximum resolution" setting when installing | Arachne now. | | ============================================================================ | | 50) Mon, Jan 02, 2006 - 2:13:43 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Well, it's re-install time again. I pressed F2 to save | my BREAK.AH page to drive A:....got the save page.....clicked on save | .....got the DOS error, "can't find sector" and was given options. | I aborted and got DOS. Typed in "arachne" at the prompt, pressed ENTER, | computer locked up. | | ============================================================================ | | 51) Mon, Jan 02, 2006 - 2:36:54 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Well, here I am back with re-install starting with glenn's | a189gpll and using the Switch To Ray's Core disk and entering | data in LSPPP.CFG and making a cup of coffee and typing this at | 5 words a minute. | | | ============================================================================ | | 52) Mon, Jan 02, 2006 - 3:43:15 pm | | Eric> | Ray, More trouble, That email jumper and it's messages caused | another re-install. I forgot to enter personal info for email and | clicked on the "get mail" icon. Your BREAK.AH! message appeared and | I could not get rid of it....I had to CTRL-BREAK which got me back | to DOS. I restated Arachne and the keyboard shut down and Arachne | locked up. I had to press RESET and re-install. | | ============================================================================ | | 53) Mon, Jan 02, 2006 - 8:52:39 pm | | gregy> | ooooo-eeeeee.......that is getting pretty complicated...!!!! I'm | sure glad I'm busy at sumpin else, so Ray can't rope me into testing | THAT.....!!!!!! | | | | ============================================================================ | | 54) Mon, Jan 02, 2006 - 10:03:49 pm | | ray> | Gregy, I could sure use a second opinion on all this stuff :-( | | Eric, This enter personal data thing: how do you do that? which | page? I don't feel responsible for a bad disk though ;-) | | As to the unsuported resolutions, I've made it automatic, you don't | have to set anything it just won't try to set a res it can't swallow. | Easy to do! Glenn, you might like it. | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 55) Mon, Jan 02, 2006 - 10:08:43 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Yeah, at the top of the mail page right? so I erased my data there and | tried to get mail. I didn't hang just showed the 'mail aborted' | page. Mind I didn't have any mail outstanding ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 56) Mon, Jan 02, 2006 - 10:42:11 pm | | ray> | Got it :-) | | with a faulty user name presto, she hangs with break.ah! showing. | Now that I can see the fault I'll bag it, thanks Eric. | | | ============================================================================ | | 57) Tue, Jan 03, 2006 - 12:20:06 am | | gregy> | Glenn....Re: Your "Busted Insight" post on coollist....I'd try it, but | I don't want it. Insight is just FINE as it is....IMNSHO, adding that | "super-slurper" "grab-anything" type action to Insight would be a sure | detriment to normal usage of it.... | ... | But, if you really want someone to try it, I suppose I could....as long | as Eric would agree to suffer along with me...... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 58) Tue, Jan 03, 2006 - 12:28:06 am | | Eric> | Ray, Been away from Arachne for a while....screensaver chugging | along....pressed spacebar and Arachne woke up....pressed H... | Arachne aborted and "runtime overlay error" showed on screen... | then keyboard shut down...had to RESET.,,Re-install. | Re: Personal data...I either enter it from the MAIL page at the top | like you did when running Glenn's core or I use editor to insert | it into arachne.cfg. You told me your core would abort if I tried | to enter presonal data from MAIL page. | | ============================================================================ | | 59) Tue, Jan 03, 2006 - 9:46:27 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Overlay error eh? That is very serious, something at the compiler | level. Nuts I might have to aproach the Doctor about this. Anyway, | I've found the bug that was bothering the email now I'll just | find an elegant fix that distinguishes between aborts due to | faulty inputs and hangs due to spams etc. Oh, you shouldn't have | trouble entering stuff in the mail page, that's fixed and I think | it's fixed in the last core I sent too. Please advise. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 60) Tue, Jan 03, 2006 - 3:52:06 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | re:"As to the unsuported resolutions, I've made it automatic, you don't | have to set anything it just won't try to set a res it can't swallow." | | It seems to me that your automatic code is probably where Eric is having | the problem. | | When he changes resolutions in my compile.... no problem. | | When he changes resolutions in your compile.... CRASH !!!! | | | ============================================================================ | | 61) Tue, Jan 03, 2006 - 5:24:46 pm | | ray> | Na, he doesn't have that yet it's still on the stove. What ever | the problem is it aint that. What I've done is quite simple, | I think you'll like it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 62) Tue, Jan 03, 2006 - 10:07:51 pm | | Eric> | You know those GIF errors? Another bug! Very subtle but sloppy | in hindsight. At some times the GIF memory variable has to be | read as KB, at other times as straight bytes and I make the | conversion in such a way that it's only made if initializing XMS, | that that doesn't happen if using config.dat. In that case the | unconverted value as used which as the effect of making the code | think you have 1/1024 th as much GIF memory as you really do! | | | ============================================================================ | | 63) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 12:42:13 am | | Eric> | Ray, I remember the discussion about whether those | GIF settings were to be in KB's or Bytes and that still | has me uncertain how to set them correctly. I don't understand | how to determine appropriate settings. | | | ============================================================================ | | 64) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 1:00:53 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, You know Ray....he likes to tell us about | the changes and then leave the core on the stove to | char a little so it's slightly over cooked before | he finally gives anyone a chance to taste it... | that way he figures the char-broil will hide the | bad taste of some of the bugs....He doesn't know | we're onto his tricks! | | ============================================================================ | | 65) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 1:16:08 am | | Eric> | Ray, A new one I've never experienced before...I was typing | the above post#64 when ...BANG....the whole screen went white blank. | When I ALT-E 'd I went to DOS with a never before seen message: | Warning, some programs will interfere with network communication | and can cause lost connections. Do not run any network programs | from this DOS shell. | Type 'EXIT' to rteurn to CUTCP/CUTE. | | When I entered EXIT I returned to the blank white screen. | When I was shelled to DOS I was in a slow trace graphic mode. | I finally decided I was still in this data entry box of this | board but it had gone full screen for some reason....I pushed | some appropriate keys and Arachne returned...now I'm writing | this post. Now I'll see if it gets sent... | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 66) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 1:29:09 am | | Eric> | Well....It got sent alright...but...when I typed this message | and tried to send it I got: | Message at bottom of page: Packet driver is installed but can not | send message. | | I ALT-H'd and the packet driver was removed and THE MODEM HUNG UP | which it NEVER does...I redialed and here I am. | | | ============================================================================ | | 67) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 4:16:33 am | | gregy> | Eric...I wuuuvvv you, buddy, taking all that garbage off my hands.. | ... | ... | However, I can see you learning considerable stuff....so...prolly, it | is YOU who are out ahead.... | ... | However2...I'm still thinking, "Thank God, there but for the Grace of | God, go I."....... | | | ============================================================================ | | 68) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 4:17:03 am | | gregy> | Ray, | | ........:P~~~~~~~~~ | ... | Happy New Year....!!!!! | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 69) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 10:02:27 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Yeah, that's why I changed the keywrord to ...kb so's you (and me!) | could remember that it's kb. But internaly different parts of the | program use kb or bytes in different places so a translation is needed. | It's a pain in the butt. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 70) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 10:09:29 am | | ray> | Those messages -- all I can say for sure is that they don't come | from Arachne or anything that comes with Arachne. God knows. | I'll have some properly charred code either today or tomorrow. | I must say, I thought Vladimir was a good bug hunter and that I was | reasonably clean but I see now I've got to slow down a bit, get | something stable and then charge on ahead. | | | ============================================================================ | | 71) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 11:39:22 am | | Eric> | Ray...I got some strange stuff going on here....I clicked on the | get mail icon and then your BREAK.AH! message appeared and then | by itself it went away and finished the attempted download.] | I han no mail in my mailbox so I downloaded nothing. Then I went to | hotlist with "h" and opened this board...but....the Insight e-mail | and personal data entry boxes are still at the top of the page | instead of the Header for this board. | | ============================================================================ | | 72) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 11:54:46 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Take a break, we know that's buggy, so trashcan it. I'll have | a tentative fix for that stuff in a day or two. Its interesting: | the server treats a faulty input (user name etc.) as a hard error | and closes the connetion, but if an input is blank it leaves the | connecion open. As I have it now, I'm capturing the hard error Ok, | and is shows the proper error .ah but if it's blank, it then goes | to the inbox as if everything is fine. What I'd like to do next | is patch that. Also, if you have no mail, you get the error, but | that's rude, nothing's wrong. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 73) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 11:58:00 am | | ray> | Oh, but keep the other files, just trash the core. Those screen errors: | Do these things happen after you've killed your cache? I'm almost | sure that what's happening is that the xswap pointers are getting | fouled up so that when history calls cache, what gets loaded onto the | screen is foulded up because the wrong stuff is being called. | | | ============================================================================ | | 74) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 4:44:47 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | I have a constuctive (I hope), suggestion to make. | | Put everything that has to do with Xswap back the way it was. | | IMO, | Xswap should left to Joe... he's the only one who understands what's | going on in there. | | I will not even attempt to do anything in the Xswap code. | | ============================================================================ | | 75) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 6:27:11 pm | | ray> | What, me bugger with XSWAP?! Sheesh, even I'm not that recless ;-) | I haven't touched it except for some very minor stuff, I mean | no-brainer stuff. It should work exactly as yours. I've restored | 'CacheIndex' to my core and I think it's absence was the cause. | Some how Eric's cache is fouled and that might be it, worth a try | anyway. It's about ready to send to him, the known bugs are | dealt with. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 76) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 6:31:58 pm | | ray> | Besides, if I'd broken xswap, I'd see it here, that's far to | delecate for it to work *anywhere* if its busted don't you think? | I never get MALLOCS or crashes anymore ever, not never (may the | Gods not smite me for my arogance ...) | | | ============================================================================ | | 77) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 6:33:07 pm | | ray> | I'm going to rearange config.log so it's a bit easier to remove | the personal/local stuff then try using Eric's settings, we will | figure this out. | | | ============================================================================ | | 78) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 6:44:48 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I checked the cache and saw nothing wrong with it. The cache | was never used with Glenn's setup. But, I just killed the cache again. | | | ============================================================================ | | 79) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 6:47:54 pm | | Eric> | Ray, If your going to mess with my config.log then you should ask for | a current log when your ready for it. | | ============================================================================ | | 80) Wed, Jan 04, 2006 - 9:21:04 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Yeah, I'll get a new one from you as needed. Hmmmm, if you're | killing your cache and still having trouble maybe that scratches | my theory. But we may as well get rid of the bugs I can track down | first and hope for the best. I'll upload it latter tonight or | tomorrow. | | | ============================================================================ | | 81) Thu, Jan 05, 2006 - 3:11:05 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | New core ready but I can't upload the damned thing. Does someone | know of a good utility for chopping files up? I've heard of such | a thing, it would let me send this in pieces. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 82) Thu, Jan 05, 2006 - 6:04:51 pm | | Eric> | Ray, The file chopper's in your email box....I got BUILD6R.ZIP | | ============================================================================ | | 83) Thu, Jan 05, 2006 - 6:08:44 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Correction....I got BUILD3R.ZIP | | ============================================================================ | | 84) Thu, Jan 05, 2006 - 6:50:15 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Thanks, sheeesh I hope I ... never mind, I just found what was | causing my upload trouble, another bug! But it is the most bizzare | thing ... anyway to track it down I just finished sending myself | about 20 big files (have to upload to somewhere ;-) -- so I've now | got to be careful not to delete all that stuff. I found the | trouble and it looks like a compiler bug. I must consult with the | Doctor about this. Just to keep you informed, the 'CD break' code | from Andrej seems to cause the aborts and you won't believe how | to fix it ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 85) Thu, Jan 05, 2006 - 8:04:50 pm | | ray> | Eric, new core with upload-hang code removed. | Thanks for the splitter. Don't really need it now but I'll hang | on to ut just the same. | | | ============================================================================ | | 86) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 12:37:35 am | | Eric> | Ray, Just be careful with that splitter program..... | don't put it in your back pocket....It's not time | (nor appropriate) for the half moon yet! | | ============================================================================ | | 87) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 12:48:40 am | | Eric> | Ray, Come to think of it....we don't need any half monteys | carousing around either! So, you can hang on to it with both | hands.....just don't store it in your shorts....I hate to | imagine the consequences of running(with) a splitter in your shorts! | | | | ============================================================================ | | 88) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 2:37:52 am | | gregy> | sheeesh..!!!....what a degenerate bunch..!!!!!! | ... | | ... | guess you guys are just "tryina start the new year off right"... | | | ============================================================================ | | 89) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 9:53:04 am | | ray> | Eric, | | As an old logger, I know how to handle dangerous cutting tools ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 90) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 11:36:29 am | | Eric> | Ray, Just don't try to kick the log out of the splitter | if it jams......a jammed splitter is an accident ready to | happen....kind of like "deltree c:". | | | ============================================================================ | | 91) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 1:37:50 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Right! and never put your hands into the chipper. | | If that last core turns out ok I'll be sending it off to some other | guys for beta testing (now that you've done the hard stuff). But that | crash/hang crap has to be fixed, she's just garbage as long as | that hangs over it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 92) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 2:30:51 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Sorry, I posted this on the PRJ board by mistake. | | What happens with you build at this link ? | | http://www.google.com/url?sa=l&ai=BaZqyggS-Q-zJPIPwogLC_rkj-dPXBrfagfMB-5vGr | | Please excuse if the page goes wiiiiddddeeee. :( | | | ============================================================================ | | 93) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 3:12:37 pm | | ray> | Crash and burn. How long is that? Don't we have some limit? | | | ============================================================================ | | 94) Fri, Jan 06, 2006 - 3:15:28 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | It's not the size of the file that's the problem. | | 2 major problems. | | 1) a million