DOS Testers1 Message Board
Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:36:08
______________________________________________________________________________
| ============================================================================
|
| 1) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 12:18:36 am 
|
| gregy>
| test...first post on new board...
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 2) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 12:24:27 am 
|
| gregy>
| Last 11 posts...
|
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 461) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 3:33:19 pm 
| |
| | glennmcc>
| | Ray,
| | as to 0x8000 causing me problems.
| |
| | That was before Joes' optimizations.
| |
| | I'll betcha' his improvements have now fixed that.
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 462) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 4:17:14 pm 
| |
| | gregy>
| | et al...Re: these boards down.....I'm thinking about putting "huricane
| | alternates" up (identical boards) on AVA, then, when (not IF, when)
| | these go down, you guys can immediately access those AVA ones and know
| | two things (1) YOU are NOT dead, and (2) the others aren't, either.
| | ...
| | <g g g g>
| | ..
| | At all other times, we can still keep on using these...they're pretty
| | reliable....but...in the past 6-8 months, my ISP has had 3 problems..
| | ..which record is NOT bad, but, we might could do with emergency
| | alternates..
| | ..
| | Thoughts...???....Comments....???
| |
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 463) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 5:47:46 pm 
| |
| | ray>
| | Glenn,
| |
| | Do I have those from Joe? I'm current with 1.85 only, so it they're
| | 1.87 or latter, I need 'em.
| |
| | Gregy,
| |
| | Probably not worth the trouble sarge.
| |
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 464) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 5:49:59 pm 
| |
| | ray>
| | Here's a 'high water mark' for the stack using 0x6000:
| |
| |
| | STACK: 47F0 FILE: GUIEVENT.C   LINE: 595  
| | STACK: 47EA FILE: GUITICK.C    LINE: 167  
| | STACK: 2A04 FILE: HTTP.C       LINE: 181  
| | STACK: 29FE FILE: HTTP.C       LINE: 895  
| | STACK: 29FA FILE: HTTP.C       LINE: 142  
| | STACK: 1C6C FILE: ONMOUSE.C    LINE: 273  
| | STACK: 1C66 FILE: GUITICK.C    LINE: 167  
| | STACK: 1396 FILE: GUIEVENT.C   LINE: 595  
| | STACK: 1390 FILE: GUITICK.C    LINE: 167  
| | STACK: 1320 FILE: ONMOUSE.C    LINE: 273  
| | STACK: 131A FILE: GUITICK.C    LINE: 167  
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 465) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 5:52:09 pm 
| |
| | ray>
| | Eric,
| |
| | If I send a core with this sort of log active, would you run it
| | and see how your stack holds up? I'd like to see where your
| | overflows are.
| |
| |
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 466) Mon, Jan 30, 2006 - 6:03:03 pm 
| |
| | ray>
| | *if* that's what the problem is, at least it would clear that
| | question up.
| |
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 467) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 10:13:10 am 
| |
| | Eric>
| | Ray,      You have my e-mail address.....use it! 
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 468) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 3:04:08 pm 
| |
| | ray>
| | Eric,
| |
| | Ok, I'll send in a while.
| |
| |
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 469) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 4:53:06 pm 
| |
| | glennmcc>
| | As to Joe's stuff.
| |
| | You got 'em.
| |
| | His optimizations from 185, 183, etc, etc are in both 187 and 189
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 470) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 5:42:45 pm 
| |
| | ray>
| | Ok, then that means that we should both be safe with c. 0x8000
| | stack size. I think I was overly self-congratulatory thinking
| | my core was really OK with 1/2 the stack size of yours, probably
| | my needs might be slightly less due to removal of dead variables
| | etc. but I see now that there is no miracle here, the fact is
| | you are ok with the smaller stack too.
| |
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 471) Tue, Jan 31, 2006 - 6:05:51 pm 
| |
| | glennmcc>
| | Yep... that seems to be the case.
| |
| | Before Joe's optimizations, 32000u caused crashes here.
| |
| | After his opts... no crashes.
| |
| |
| | ==========================================================================
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 3) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 1:30:22 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  I got the build4q.zip.   I'll try it when I get time.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  4) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 2:44:53 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,       You did it again.....where is the keywrd??.cfg .
| PLEASE,  at least tell me what the name is if there are no changes....
| Please !    All the facts....Please !!!
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  5) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 3:02:16 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,        the FUNCTrac.log is empty.....Why?  How does it work?
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  6) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 3:26:10 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Well, you succeeded.....I'm locked up....Arachne aborted
| on a download.....same old 256 bytes in LL CRNR....gave me FUNCTRAC.log
| info at top of page...keyboard was disabled when I ran mem/ c /p.
| I'll email you the functrac.log
|
|  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   7) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 5:21:30 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Can you get me the name of some URL that does this? If I had
| the same site to try it might be useful, maybe then I'd be able
| to replicate the abort. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 8) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 6:29:22 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|  
| The disabled keyboard, was that 'mem /c /p' during an ALT E shell
| or using the utilities page memory display or what?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 9) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 7:55:43 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  here we go again....Arachne was aborted.....how could I do 
| mem /c /p  except from command prompt?  I gave you the exact steps
| in that post#6 as I did them....sometimes I think you "skim" read
| too much!  You ask me questions that don't make sense based on
| the info that I give you.
|
| I usually can't give you the page that causes the problem because 
| it usually happens either when I'm not paying attention or when
| I've clicked on some link that gets lost by the abort of Arachne.
| But, it has happened enough now to know it isn't because of some
| especially unusual page.  
|
| What did the log tell you?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 10) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 8:15:41 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Remember, I run with images off....I just clicked on an
| image to download it....Arachne aborted and gave me a line from
| the FUNCTRAC.LOG (STACK: 3328 FILE: GUITICK.C LINE: 168 COUNT: 10334)
| I was in DOS since Arachne had aborted. I think I typed CLS, ENTER....
| to clear the screen...then typed "mem /c /p".....The memory info
| displayed and the keyboard became "DEAD".  Therefore, REBOOT...REinstall
| Arachne.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 11) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 8:33:44 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      Are you running with images off ?  Are you running without
| smooth scroll?   Are you running with my setup, EXACTLY, or with your
| modifications?    Have you clicked on an image to download it?
| You are right.....I am having NO problems with glennmcc's setup.
| And......why did I have to go on a safari inside your core to
| find out what KEYWRDXX.CFG your core was searching for?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 12) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 10:06:14 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Sorry, I do read your posts in detail but as we have seen so
| often, an erronious assumption can cause problems, thus the 'dumb'
| questions. I run the 486 with your setup exactly exept for my
| connection stuff and my different paths and personal data. As to
| keywrd??.cfg, there's no change otherwise I would have told you 
| ... was there??? If so, sorry, I'm trying to keep the id's matched.
| What the functrac.log tells me is that it's not a stack problem,
| because you have lots of headroom left, also you had trouble with
| the core that had the full size stack as well. Until I get another
| tester happening, I'd say we're stumped, don't waste any more time
| on my cores until I can isolate these problems. There is one other
| aproach but it's laborious: I can send older cores until we find
| the first one that has these problems. That's how I track problems
| here, but I have all my old builds at my fingertips so I can do it
| quickly. Chances are I'd have to send a dozen cores before we'd
| isolate the first one with the defect and then I'd probably be able
| to figure it out.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 13) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 10:08:41 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, forgot: how does it work? At the start of each function call, it
| measures the size of the free stack and if any measurement is less than the
| previous minimum it records it, that's all.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 14) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 10:13:44 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      Did you read post#4 ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 15) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 10:27:23 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     When you don't send me the KEYWRDXX.CFG  or at least tell 
| me the name of it then I have an Arachne installation that does
| nothing at all....it refuses to run !   IT WAS YOUR IDEA !!
| The file may be the same but you keep changing the name and it's
| not the same as the "build" number.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 16) Wed, Feb 01, 2006 - 11:25:22 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...Ray...I'm sorry that I'm not helping test/troubleshoot this
| problem you guys are working on....but...if you've read my MISC, lately,
| you'll see that I'm involved in this "get the CDRoast running" project
| with Glenn....and...I suddently got "busy otherwhere" too....I mean,
| it seems to be Murphy's Law Corolary #100 that "it never rains but it
| pours".....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 17) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 7:29:54 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,,
|
| This keywrd stuff is a whole lot of grief, I had thought to change
| the name only when the contents change, then I thought to change
| the name to synch with the build number every time. I am worn out,
| sorry for the chaos.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 18) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 10:03:10 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,
|
| Latest file sent me: build4q.zip
|
| Version number in build4q.zip == Arachne 1.85:B6-b:4q
|
| keywrdxx.cfg for  build4q.zip == keywrd4m.cfg
|
| Last keywrdxx.cfg file that you sent me == keywrd3r.cfg
|
| I have had to figure out what each keywrdXX.cfg was since keywrd3r.cfg
|   after installing your arachne setup and getting aborted to DOS
|   because your core could not find the correct keywrdXX.cfg
|
| I now expect to have trouble with your installation every time you
|   send me a new core.
| I know you don't do this on purpose and all I ask is that you try
|   to send me all the facts and files in your zips so that things
|   go more smoothly.  I make enough mistakes myself for both of us! 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 19) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 2:50:39 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yeah, can't blame you for your frustration. This system was never
| meant to be used in a situation where cores are being thrown around
| so often but I had no idea we'd be having trouble for so long.
| I've just got to get another tester so we can get more data on what's
| going on here. It's all Vladimir's fault for taking off and leaving me
| without feedback, I had no idea I could wander so far into the
| woods in such a short time <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 20) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 2:52:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| Do you want to try it the slow way? I could send a core per day 
| until we isolate the place where the trouble starts, this method
| is ponderous but almost sure to sucseed. Or I can just wait for
| Gregy.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 21) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 4:43:55 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I suggest that you begin 'going backward' starting with the most recent
| compile in-which you remember that these problems _do_ exist.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 22) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 4:45:20 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Actually..... start 'one back' from that point.
| (no need cheacking again with one that you already
|  know has the problem) <g>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 23) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 5:00:24 pm 
|
| ray>
| I've always done it the other way -- start with the most recent
| build which had a clean bill of health and go forward, that way you
| are testing good, good, good, crash instead of crash, crash, crash,
| good. If you get me. My last core that was tested was 6a, by Vladimir.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 24) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 5:00:42 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, glennmcc,     I'm not sure where the problem began.  The go back
| idea is complicated because Ray introduced various improvements along
| the way which require specific files in specific places at different
| times along the changing setup path.  If it was just core switching
| it would be easy.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  25) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 5:07:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Here's a thought: The one thing I have different in this 486 run
| using your settings is that I don't load telnet.apm. You don't suppose
| that could make any difference? Glenn? 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 26) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 5:14:52 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     As far as I know, you are the only one who knows exactly
| everything you have changed/removed. I can't remember now a setup
| that was completely stable.  Things continued to be changed and bugs
| kept popping up with every new core.
|
| Maybe Gregy has some insight or ideas.  Since he has been dormant as
| a tester for a while, maybe he has a setup with a core that was stable.    
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   27) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 5:37:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| IIRC, the 6b stuff we've been dealing with these past whiles have 
| indeed all been unstable, but I don't think you ever tried 6a, and
| that has been tested. As to the other files, it would require
| nothing more than the current core swapping regime, and I will be
| careful to make sure that all the files are correct. However, 6a
| needs only the .bat, that is before all this other stuff was started,
| no keywrd@##$%^%$, no strange toolbar, etc. However, I would increase
| its stack size.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 28) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 5:41:56 pm 
|
| Eric>
| It think maybe your getting too hyper about this. I can't trace anything
| myself because I'm not a C programmer.....but...the only error I have
| been getting consistantly is the abort when downloading an image. Once
| I get all the proper files from Ray with the proper names then Arachne
| runs pretty well. The abort doesn't occur when the download is started
| but after 256 bytes have been downloaded.  Can't the code be traced to
| see what buffer is filling up or loop is being created that causes this
| stall.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 29) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 6:53:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   BTW, I doubt that the telnet.apm has influence on this.
| I haven't been using it so I can remove it and see if there is any
| difference but as far as I can decipher it just sits there inconspicuously u
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  30) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 7:00:53 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Re: Wandering into the woods...Most people who get lost
| in the woods don't even realize that they are wandering.  They don't
| even realize that they are lost until they find themselves stuck
| in a closed loop.  <:-)  <ggg>  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   31) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 7:04:34 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yeah, I doubt it's telnet, but it's worth a mention. So these
| aborts: always when downloading an image eh? Of course I could trace
| it if I could duplicate it. That's the Achilies heel of my method:
| no duplication no trace. Also, if you could CTRL-ALT-ESC out of it,
| that would say alot, but when it crashes and your memory is
| fouled, that is major. Mind, if you were game, I could send
| a dubuging core. It would trace the function calls, just as you say,
| but it's a bit tricky to use -- rather like the stack tracing,
| but this time it is function calls and you'd have to record the
| call on which things hung. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 32) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 7:28:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yeah, you're probably right... 'going forward' will most likely be faster.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 33) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 8:03:30 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...I DO have a/some solution(s) for this mess...but...I don't think
| Ray will agree...however...here goes:
| 1.  Ray...return your cores to "standard" configuration...meaning...
| everything.....including ARACHNE.BAT....must be totally compatible with
| the standard distribution.
| 2.  Return your defaults to standard.  When we get a core that requires
| us to dink around in the "O" Options pages, just so the thing will start
| to look familiar, it's a big distraction.  You may not think so...but
| I am telling you it is.
| 3.  After "rewinding" grab one build as your base.  Start making small
| incremental changes and store ON YOUR DISK with unique testserialnumbers
| (that make sense...i.e. are in actual sequence..not scattered around).
| 4.  Every time you run into problems...BOTH of you (Ray and Eric) do an
| immediate "rewind"...and start over from that last good built.
| 5.  Eric...you've got to keep "old builds" on your HDD, or on a series
| of FDDs.  Once Ray settles on some kind of logical sequential ordering
| scheme, and has explained it so that you can project what the next
| number would/will be, then you can implement this "stashing" scheme on
| your own disks.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 34) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 8:03:56 pm 
|
| gregy>
| That's a start...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 35) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 8:28:13 pm 
|
| ray>
| Point one is not possible, it would mean basicaly abandoning my work
| going back to base 5 and would reverse the bulk of my memory
| gains. 
|
| Point two, is partialy doable. I have several defaults that I changed
| on Glenn's suggestion, assuming he'd make the same changes obviously,
| but he hasn't and that does indeed open up the possibility of some
| problem there however, those were good sugestions and I think Glenn
| should take his own advice and implement them, it would solve the
| problem in the right direction.
|
| Point 3,4,5. That is exactly how I opperate now. When I find a problem,
| if it's not obvious where it is, I rewind until its gone, then
| isolate the bad change. Alas, as I said before, it presumes I can
| duplicate the problem :-(
|
| You make a good point about numbering, my current scheme works great,
| but presumes no multiple branches, so it would have to be
| redone.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 36) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 8:37:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, Eric, on the 486 (your setup) I did notice one strange thing
| when downloading an image: Just once some text showed that looked
| like it was some error messages that I'll bet were something from 
| mime.cfg. Arachne quit to DOS, but on restart the page I was looking
| at previously was loaded ok.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 37) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 9:38:10 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Which defaults are you refering to ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 38) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 9:42:16 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Something just occured to me.
|
| Do you have frames enabled ?
|
| If so... try disabling them to see if this cures the problems you're having.
|
| The frames code is still buggy and is very likely to cuase some major proble
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 39) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 2:53:03 am 
|
| Eric>
| Re: Frames
| glennmcc,    The lockup on image download happened when downloading
| a single image, not a whole html page so I don't see how that could
| be the source of the lockup.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 40) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 3:07:13 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  Many times after aborts or lockup/ALT-CTRL-ESC recoverys
| Arachne runs OK, sometimes for hours, but on close inspection 
| of the memory usage obtained from mem /c /p  small discrepancies
| can be found. Sometimes the discrepancies are also large.
| Arachne usually eventually locks up with a disabled keyboard.
| I can't tell you exactly why the keyboard is disabled but my
| guess is that some function isn't allowed to complete because
| of something lost in memory, maybe the stack, so that function
| is not returned to the keyboard. Maybe xSwap has something to
| do with the bug. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 41) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 3:19:16 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    You never answered my original question....do/did you
| have a Ray installation that worked with no bugs at all? I can't
| remember that I ever did.   It does seem that at one time the 
| only real bug occured on return from screensaver....Eh ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 42) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 3:32:47 am 
|
| Eric>
| Re: Debugging/tracing core
|
| Ray,    If you have a core or someway of tracing program flow or
| function calls, of course send it to me.  I think my MIX C had a
| program named C-Trace but I can't recall anything about it and
| I doubt it would work with this Borland C.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 43) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 9:51:36 am 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Don't you remember? It was a long time ago, tho, I'll dig up the
| list.
|
| Eric,
|
| That is a very useful observation. The breakout code does not
| perform a full, proper, controled shutdown and infact there are
| two or three different 'levels' of shutdown. I've been sorta worried
| about that for some time, but it hasn't caused me any trouble so I've
| just left it alone. Here's an idea tho: if ever you do have to use
| the breakout, when it resarts, imediately exit normaly and then restart,
| again, that just might set everything right. Also, when the breakout
| key does work, that proves that Arachne is indeed either stuck in a
| loop or is just waiting for something to happen, but, if the latter
| is the case, then ESC should break out of that, and return to the
| former screen with the 'abort transfer' msg.
|
| If you're game for a tracing core, I'll send it latter today.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 44) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 10:27:25 am 
|
| ray>
|
| This is more interesting than I thought it would be, Gregy, thanks
| for bringing this up.
|
| HERE ARE THE CHANGED DEFAULTS: =============================================
|
| const char near *const Keywords[] =
| {
| // Empty comments flag values who's default values have been changed
| // at Glenn's sugestion. 
|
|   // Flags defaulting to YES were NO
|
|   "Autodial",            //
|   "HTTPS2HTTP",          //
|   "Kill468x60",          //
|   "RightMouseBack",      //
|   "UseAuthSMTP",         //
|   "UseSignature",        //
|
|    // Flags defaulting to NO were YES
|
|   "CSS",                 //
|   "Experimental",        //
|   "HTTPKeepAlive",       //
|   "LoadImages",          //
|   "MailIsDesktop",       //
|   "SavePasswords",       //
| Flags defaulting to YES(1):
|
| NOW HERE ARE THE VALUES FROM ERIC'S .LOG: ==================================
|
|
| Autodial          N    Glenn's default is NO anyway
| CacheFonts        Y
| Cookies           Y
| EditHotlistEntry  Y
| HTTPS2HTTP        Y    Glenn's default is NO, possible touble?
| HTTPreferer       Y
| KeepHTT           Y
| Kill468x60        Y    ditto
| RightMouseBack    Y
| UseAuthSMTP       Y    ditto
| UseBinaryFTP      Y
| UseSignature      Y    Glenn's default is NO, but harmless.
|
| Flags defaulting to NO(0):
|
| AutoF3key         Y
| Cache2TEMP        Y
| CSS               N    Glenn's default is YES, but can NO ever cause aborts?
| ExitOnHangup      N
| Experimental      N    Mine only, should try YES.
| Frames            Y
| HTTPKeepAlive     N    Glenn's default is YES, possible trouble?
| IGNOREBASEHREF    N
| IGNOREJS          N
| KeepOnServer      Y
| KillSent          N
| LoadImages        N    Glenn's default is YES, but can NO ever cause aborts?
| MailIsDesktop     N    Glenn's default is YES, but can NO ever cause aborts?
| NoHELO            N
| POP3log           N
| QADT              N
| ReloadIndex       N    
| SavePasswords     Y    Glenn's default is YES anyway.
| SmoothScroll      N
| SMTPlog           N
|
| WHAT ALL THIS MEANS IS THAT IF ANY OF THE VALUES ABOVE ARE NOT
| *EXPLICITLY* SET IN ERIC'S ARACHNE.CFG, THEN THE DEFAULT VALUES USED
| BY MY CORE AND GLENN'S WILL BE DIFFERENT, AND POSSIBLY TROUBLESOME.
| EG. IF 'HTTPS2HTTP' IS NOT SET IN ARACHNE.CFG, MY CORE WILL DEFAULT TO
| 'YES' BUT GLENN'S WILL DEFAULT TO 'NO'.
| IT WOULD BE WORTH CHECKING THIS.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 45) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 10:31:08 am 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| You know, even though I think the above changes were good, if Glenn
| doesn't use them himself, like I thought he would, then I really
| should go back, because it just adds confusion wondering if 
| there could be trouble there.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 46) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 2:52:03 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re: post#44 -default values different between Ray's and glennmcc's cores
|
| Ray,    This is what I have been trying to emphasise when I gave
| directions on how to create a setup with your core.  I didn't say
| it in the same way as you but I said for you to get the same setup
| as I get that you have to start from scratch with glennmcc's install
| program and proceed as per my directions or there is no way in Hades
| that you will end with the same setup.  There are too many variables
| involved and glennmcc's variables/keywords/defaults are different than
| yours in too many instances. To try to emulate someone elses setup by
| comparing config.logs leaves too many chances for error and may leave
| out some variables since all variables don't always show up in the
| arachne.cfg
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  47) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 3:02:40 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   In addition, even if my directions are explicitly followed
| there will be differences probably because of hardware requirements
| and other reasons I've neglected to recognize.  I've been at this
| computer stuff (and just plain life experience) to know this to be
| an axiom.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  48) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 3:33:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Since the frames code is buggy.... visiting some other site that was framed
| might have screwed-up the memory and the lockup now occures even though the
| page you're on now is not framed.
|
| (delayed reaction, so-to-speak)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 49) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 3:41:42 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The only 2 the I can see which might be possible to cause trouble.....
|
| HTTPS2HTTP        Y    Glenn's default is NO, possible touble?
| (my default starting with v1.87 is now No)
|
| HTTPKeepAlive     N    Glenn's default is YES, possible trouble?
| (only trouble that defaulting to No might cause is the 'Bad Request'
|  message from MSIIS servers)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 50) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 3:49:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But..... most of that stuff _is_ going to be in arachne.cfg unless
| a particular user manually deletes it.
|
| When a new package is installed... one of the included .ACF files will
| get used which contains most of those values already 'pre-set'.
|
| All of the rest of the values will get set while going through the setup
| screens.
|
| --- 486pc.acf ---
| ;This is ARACHNE.CFG for Arachne version 1.6+
| ;If you want to use Arachne on PC with CPU 486+ you should start here.
| ;(tested on AMD K5/133). This profile is slightly less video-intensive.
| ;This configuration file can be completely controled from Arachne setup.
| ;Run "setup" if you are not sure what to change in configuration file.
|
| [profile]
| Profile 486PC.ACF
| Connection NUL
| Hangup NUL
|
| ;Connection @cmd    ... command cmd will estabilish connection
| ;Connection READY   ... connection is permanent, packet driver in AUTOEXEC..
| ;Connection NUL     ... do not start TCP/IP (run "arachne -c" to force this)
|
| [dialer]
| DialPage file:setup.htm
| Dialer @MINITERM.EXE>PPP.LOG
| TerminalWindow @MINITERM.EXE
| UseTerminal No
| Port 3
| Irq 4
| Base 0x3e8
| Mode 8N1
| Speed 19200
| InitString ATZ
| DialString ATDT
| PhoneNumber 00000000
| Autologin No
| WaitFor1 name:
| Response1 \u
| WaitFor2 sword:
| Response2 \p
| WaitFor3 >
| Response3 ppp
| PPPusername user
| PPPpassword xxxxxx
|
| ;Port values: 0=non-standard serial (COM) port, 1-4 standard ports
| ;Base values: 0x??? (eg. 0x3e8) - Base and Irq are used for "Port 0"
| ;Mode values: databits/parity/stopbits (eg. 8N1)
|
| [tcp/ip]
| IP_Address PPP
| IP_Grab IP address set to
| NameServer 0.0.0.0
| AltNameServer 0.0.0.0
| Gateway 0.0.0.0
| AltGateway 0.0.0.0
| Netmask 0.0.0.0
| TCPconfig PPPTCP.CFG
|
| ;IP_Address n.n.n.n  ... fixed IP address
| ;IP_Address PPP      ... for PPP.EXE and PPPD.EXE (get address from PPP.LOG)
| ;IP_Address BOOTP    ... WatTcp attepmts to use BOOTP protocol
| ;IP_Address %enviro% ... Minuet style (enviroment variable, like %MYIP%)
| ;IP_Address WATTCP   ... use ONLY values from TCPconfig (variable "my_ip")
| ;IP_Grab string      ... prefix of IP address in PPP.LOG ("IP address set to
| ;TCPconfig filename  ... name of WatTcp configuration file (often WATTCP.CFG
|
| [mail]
| SMTPserver mail.provider.com
| POP3server mail.provider.com
| POP3username user
| POP3password xxxx
| KeepOnServer No
| eMail user@provider.com
| PersonalName Arachne User
| Organization Arachne Fan Club
| TimeZone +0000
| UseSignature Yes
| SignatureFile SIGN.TXT
| MailEncoding MIME
| MailSortOrder DateSnt
| NoHELO No
| KillSent No
| MailIdxTemplate idxhead.htp
| ForwardString1 ----- Forwarded message begin -----
| ForwardString2 ------ Forwarded message end ------
| ReplyString On %s, %s wrote:
| MyCharset US-ASCII
| MailBodyEncoding 7bit
|
| ;MailSortOrder values: DateRcv|DateSnt|Address|Subject
|
| [internet]
| HTTPproxy proxy.provider.com:8080
| UseProxy No
| HomePage http://arachne.cz/
| SearchPage http://search.arachne.cz/
| SearchEngine http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?q=
| FTPusername user
| FTPpassword xxxxxx
| FTPhost ftp.provider.com
| FTPpath /home/user/
| AcceptCharset ISO-8859-1,*
|
| [system]
| Hotlist .\HOTLIST.HTM
| History .\HISTORY.LST
| CookieFile .\COOKIES.LST
| CacheIndex .\CACHE.IDX
| CachePath .\CACHE\
| Cache2TEMP Yes
| MailPath .\MAIL\
| DownloadPath .\DOWNLOAD\
|
| [misc]
| Logo 12000
| LoadImages Yes
| Frames Yes
| JPEGargs -bmp -fast
| FILEargs -d
| RefreshDelay 20
| ScreenSaver 10
| ScreenSaverStyle R
| ScreenSaverColors 0
| ESC Exits
| F3key file:*.htm
| AutoF3key Yes
| BigFont No
| ScrollBarSize 14
| ScrollBarStyle NextStep
| Colors 11 0
| MouseColors 15 15
| VirtualScreen 2000
| ScreenMode Auto
| SmoothScroll Yes
| ScrollStep 1000
| BgColor #000000
| Text #F0F0F0
| Link #00FF00
| Background NUL
| ExitOnHangup No
| ASCIIwidth 78
| HTMLtext #000000
| HTMLbgColor #C4C4C4
| HTMLlink #0000C4
| ;AfterPOP3 smtp:
| ;AfterSMTP file:mail.htm
| ShiftF1 file://doc/howto.htm
| ShiftF2 file://oops\*.*
| ShiftF3 file:*.*
| ShiftF4 file://examples\newfile.htm
| ShiftF5 http://www.yahoo.com/
| ShiftF6 http://www.wired.com/
| ShiftF7 http://www.altavista.com/
| ShiftF8 http://www.hotbot.com/
| ShiftF9 http://www.slashdot.org/
| ShiftF10 file://readmail.dgi
| AltTab No
| EditHotlistEntry Yes
| Autodial No
| UseCID No
| UseCDescr No
| AltSysFont 0
| Index *.*
| FontShift 0
| Multitasking Yes
| XMS4allGIFs 1024
| XMS4oneGIF 270000
| CSS Yes
|
| ;ScrollBarStyle values: NextStep|Windows|Arachne|X
| ;BgColor,Text,Link values: #RRGGBB (hexadecimal values of red, green and blu
| ;VirtualScreen value: vertical number of pixels, 0 disables virtual screen.
| ;ScreenMode values: Auto|Smart|Nice
| ;BodyArachne values: System|Default|All
| ;Colors values are <ink 0..15> <paper 0..15>
|
| [security]
| SavePasswords Yes
| Cookies Yes
| HTTPreferer Yes
| ;FakeFTPeMail user@domain
|
| [not-yet-implemeted]
| NNTPserver news.provider.com
| IRCserver irc.provider.com:6667
| IRCchannel #arachne
| IRCnick arachne_user
|
| [auto-added]
| _________________
|
| --- auto added items in my arachne.cfg
| that got added when going throuh the setup screens ---
|
| [auto-added]
| POP3log No
| SMTPlog Yes
| KeepHTT Yes
| HTTPKeepAlive No
| UseFTPproxy No
| VFAT No
| PostScriptWidth 210
| PostScriptHeight 297
| BMPwidth 800
| UseKeyMap No
| ExpireStatic 0
| ExpireDynamic 0
| MinDiskSpace 2048
| QADT No
| Kill468x60 Yes
| CacheFonts Yes
| MailIsDesktop Yes
| ScreenSaverMess 20
| Editor NUL
| UseReplyto Yes
| UseBinaryFTP Yes
| UseAuthSMTP Yes
| DelHistory No
| AuthSMTPusername ************
| AuthSMTPpassword **********
| attachcheck on
| RT glennmcc@cisnet.com
| BCC glennmcc@cisnet.com
| Mail2Hist No
| RightMouseGoesBack No
| RIAD Yes
| CursorType Hand
| UseByteSec Yes
| AlwaysUseCFGcolors No
| EnterBGDL No
| WarnClear No
| IgnoreJS No
| IgnoreBaseHref No
| IgnoreRefresh No
| ShortestRefresh 10
| RMGB No
| BGimages No
| _____________________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 51) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 4:21:28 pm 
|
| ray>
| FINALY!
|
| Eric, did you see that post from Cal on the coolist? I clicked on
| the link and got a hang (frozen logo, frozen mouse, no keyboard)
| while it was downloading an image (197 b of 473 b). CTRL ALT ESC
| worked, but on restart things were obvioulsy not right, on trying
| to use the external editor I crashed to the prompt, but on restart,
| all was fine, so my advice above seems good -- after a CTRL ALT ESC,
| restart, exit and restart again.
|
| Anyway, now that I have an example of this bastard, it's days
| are numbered :-)
|
| OH, rodger all that above, but it's now almost certain it's not
| .cfg stuff.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 52) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 4:22:28 pm 
|
| ray>
| Interestingly, on restart the page loaded fine. I've got to kill the
| cashe to duplicate the problem again.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 53) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 4:45:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I just now got the lock-up too.
|
| 100% frozen... Ctrl+Alt+Del required.
|
| Grabbed the page again and hada look inside.
|
|
| I'll betcha dollars to donuts this is what did it.
|
| <BODY text="#EFDFCF"   <BODY text="#EFDFCF" bgcolor="#1F3F6F" link="#EFEF7F"
|
|
| No... that's not a typo... that _is_ a direct clip-out from the page.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 54) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:01:03 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| If you still get the same lock-up on this 'fixed copy' of the page...
| my theory is wrong.
|
| But I don't think you're gonna have any trouble with this one.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/fix-html.htm
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 55) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:08:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I stand corrected... it still locks-up tight as a drum :(
|
| But _now_ we have a 'test page' to diagnose what's goin on.
|
| I just duplicated the lock-up 3 timnes in a row by grabbing fix-html.mtm
| (now renamed as bad-html.htm), and then hitting 'Ins' to download the
| images.
|
| Every time... locked-up tight.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 56) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:11:02 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Here's tjhe link to the renamed file......
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/bad-html.htm
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 57) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:22:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| Checked that with our new, ALT V feature, and it reports 259 errors.
| BUT! If your core locked with that too, then that can't be what
| was happening to Eric, because he has no trouble with your core.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 58) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:25:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| It could be one those intermittent things.
|
| Since I have now duplicated the lock-up 15 times....
| we got something to work with. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 59) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:26:26 pm 
|
| ray>
| Not here, it loads fine every time, even after F8
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 60) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:27:22 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I am now modifying the page saection by sectuion till I find
| what's in there that's causing it.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/badhtml2.htm
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/badhtml3.htm
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/badhtml4.htm
|
| 5, 6, 7, etc, etc, etc, to come. ;-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 61) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:28:33 pm 
|
| ray>
| That's 'bad-html.htm' right? No problem here at all. After F8, after
| 'R', after restart.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 62) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:30:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| While viewing any of my altered copies with autoload of images disabled...
| hit F8 and then INS to load the images.
|
| No lock-up.... F8/INS
| No lock-up.... F8/INS
| No lock-up.... F8/INS
|
| It sometimes took me 3 or 4 repeats of F8/INS to get the lock-up
| but eventually it _does_ lock-up on each of my altered copies.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 63) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:30:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| But the original still hangs. Eric, you there? Try loading that
| page with my core, then with Glenn's and see what happens.
| Maybe Eric can load it with your core, not with mine, even though
| you yourself can't load it. Sheesh, this gets confusing.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 64) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:31:56 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ok, leme try with autoload disbled ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 65) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:34:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| Right you are! using INS, she hangs after 197 bytes.
| We've got to get Eric to validate these results with both cores.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 66) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:36:11 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I was mistakemn on #3 here with my core.
|
| 12 consecutive F8/INS repeats and everything is fine.
|
| Once or twice on bad-html.htm == lock-up
|
| A few itimes on 2, a few times on 4
| (sometimes, but not always... the first time on all but 3)
|
| I can't get 3 to lock-up.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 67) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:38:10 pm 
|
| ray>
| I lock every time after F8 with 'bad-html.htm'
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 68) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:43:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| I lock with 3 every time, so now we have a difference between cores.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 69) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:57:34 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK, now we're making some progress (of sorts) <ggg>
|
| Now to see what is in there that locks your core but does not lock mine.
|
| #5 on the way. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 70) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 5:59:38 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Does this one lock you up ?
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/badhtml5.htm
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 71) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 8:57:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Note about small mod to wwwman over on Gregy's adv board.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 72) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 9:57:15 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yes. Every time. And thanks for this, as you know, I'd never be able
| to figure this out myself, and having the HTML narrowed down will
| probably help corner the bug since I'll have a good clue where to
| start looking.
|
| Thanks for mod to wwwman. Can I grab it on your site?
|
| Oh, that's 'every time after F8' otherwise it's ok, as with the
| original bad-html
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 73) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 10:56:36 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Grab it <ggg>
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/w3man191.zip
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 74) Fri, Feb 03, 2006 - 10:57:33 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I'll do some more mods to the badhtml series after work tomorrow.
|
| 'nite all.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 75) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 2:29:30 am 
|
| Eric>
| Hi Ray, glennmcc,   This is my second attempt at sending this....I lost
| the first draft since I was writing this with W$IE while I was performing
| the actual execution with Arachne.  
| Anyway, I am running glennmcc's 1.89 setup and I clicked on Cal's
| link to the javascript stuff....downloaded OK....pressed INSERT and
| the icons downloaded OK...no lockups.  Do I have the right page?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  76) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 2:39:52 am 
|
| gregy>
| Re:  Posts #44-50....Ray, Glenn, how did you know that I was gonna come
| on here, tonight, and ask for a coorelating-conference on "What defaults
| are What..???" to try to reconcile all our different variables....
| <g g g>....hmmmm...small minds...???....<g g g>
| ...
| I have a procedure that I will describe in the next few posts, that may
| help us all to cut down on some of the confusion we're getting between
| Coders and Testers and builds/aux-files/etc.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 77) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 2:46:21 am 
|
| gregy>
| PRINCIPLES - 
| 1.  Coder and Tester must be referring to the exact same set of files.
| 2.  Therefore, Coder and Tester must store each set of files in an
| identical manner, with the same reference name/number.
| 3.  Since today's date is unique, each set of files must be referenced
| by the date the Coder zipped/sent the fileset.  Coder is the one who
| controls this name/number, BUT Coder must follow the agreed upon naming
| convention.  i.e.  CREymmdd.zip
| (see next post for PRACTICE)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 78) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 2:47:07 am 
|
| gregy>
| PRACTICE - 
| CODER - 
| 1.  Must made permanent subdirectories under the name of the Tester
| he is sending a set of files to.  i.e. X:\TSTR\ERIC\00-thru-29\
| 2.  BEFORE zipping/sending any fileset, CODER must copy all files he
| will send into an empty subdirectory (00-thru-29) under the target
| Testor's directory, and change that subdirectory's name to YMMDD (today's
| date, the day he will send the fileset to Tester).
| 3.  After zipping the desired fileset IN THAT SUBDIRECTORY, CODER
| will email-attach to target Tester, and then CODER will LEAVE that
| fileset strictly alone.  
| 4.  When Tester has any problem(s) he will refer back to CODER by the
| name/number CODER sent the fileset under.  i.e. CREymmdd.zip
| 5.  If/when CODER makes changes he wants to send back to Tester, CODER
| will NOT change the fileset in the original Tester-subdir, but will,
| instead, copy any reused files from the first subdir into a NEW subdir
| with a new YMMDD name (new today's date), make any file substitutions
| desired, and zip the files into a new CREymmdd.zip to email-attach to
| the target tester.
| (see next post for TESTER practice)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 79) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 2:48:00 am 
|
| gregy>
| PRACTICE (cont) -
| TESTER - 
| 1.  TESTER must make permanent subdirectories under the name of the
| Coder he has received a zipped fileset from.  i.e. X:\CDR\RAY\00-thru-29.
| 2.  TESTER will copy the received email-attached fileset and will copy
| it into the first empty subdirectory in the sending Coder's directory
| i.e. into X:\CDR\RAY\00\ and rename that subdirectory to the YMMDD 
| of the Coder's fileset zip - such as \60204\CRE60204.zip.
| 3.  TESTER will unzip into that same subdirectory and CLOSE that 
| subdirectory (i.e. he will consider it closed, and will make to changes
| or substitutions to the fileset in that subdirectory)
| 4.  If/when TESTER has problems, he will refer those problems back to
| Coder referencing the YMMDD name/number of the Coder's sent fileset.
| 5.  TESTER will name a new subdirectory for any replacement files that
| Coder sends him, and copy all reused files from the first subdir into
| the new subdir, and add Coder's new files there...not in the first
| subdir.
| 6.  TESTER will retain each fileset until Coder tells him to delete.
| (see next post for Practice-continued)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 80) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 2:48:50 am 
|
| gregy>
| PRACTICE (cont) - 
| TESTER (cont) -
| 7.  When TESTER wants to refer Coder to files, he may easily go into
| the subject subdir and do DIR > DIR1, then post DIR1 here.  This will
| give Coder the ability to see the files TESTER is testing (e.g. below)
|
|  Volume in drive F is INET-2
|  Directory of  F:\ATST\RAY
|
| .            <DIR>    10-04-05 10:28p
| ..           <DIR>    10-04-05 10:28p
| B6-AEXE  ZIP   179838 10-04-05 10:22p
| B6-ASRC  ZIP   346038 10-04-05 10:22p
| BUILD4A      <DIR>     1-16-06  9:39a
| DIRSWTCH TXT      966  1-16-06 10:14p
|         6 File(s) 208101376 bytes free
|   
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 81) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 2:50:44 am 
|
| gregy>
| That's a start....but we're all gonna hafta follow it, or we'll be
| singing from different sheets of music, such has occurred here recently
| ....
| Thoughts...???  Comments....???
| ...
| Fine...then we are in agreement....sign below (in blood) that you
| solemnly swear to abide by the stated agreement/procedure....
| ...
| <g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 82) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 2:55:44 am 
|
| gregy>
| correction - 
| 3.  TESTER will unzip into that same subdirectory and CLOSE that 
| subdirectory (i.e. he will consider it closed, and will make to changes
|                                                   ^^^^^ make NO changes
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 83) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 3:06:51 am 
|
| gregy>
| Re: Post #70...Glenn...that BADHTML downloaded fine with 1.87, then did
| INSERT to d/l the images....everything downloaded fine...no lockups.
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 84) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 5:28:18 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,       What have you been smoking? <GGG>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 85) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 7:06:14 am 
|
| gregy>
| shhhhhhh....just sign in blood at the bottom of the agreement...
| ...<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 86) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 9:07:35 am 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| those are superp protocols. I have something like that going on,
| but it's so full of holes and maybes that it ain't been working.
| Once I get this bleeding core debugged then it's time to let the
| smoke clear and spend some time on the above. You have a flair for
| organization like any good sargeant.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 87) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 9:10:49 am 
|
| ray>
| Now ... how in hell can you guy have no trouble with that page
| when Glenn and I both do? Are you remembering to F8? Once it's in
| the cache it reloads fine, you've gotta force the download. Failing
| that it's gotta be that some other .cfg setting is involved -- a
| compound such that it's fine with automatic download of images or
| with images off unless some other setting is changed.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 88) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 9:12:37 am 
|
| ray>
| Unless of course Eric's problems with my core are different than this
| altogether, maybe this is a false lead. Eric, try to get me some
| URL's that hang if you can, it would sure help.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 89) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 9:33:33 am 
|
| ray>
| Just tried Eric's .cfg and sure enough, there is no problem. So:
| 'loadimages N'  only creates the hang when some other keyword
| is changed. I have .logs for both so it will just take a while
| to figure out witch keywrord it is.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 90) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 12:49:40 pm 
|
| ray>
| Nuts, it's working fine now, didn't change anything.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 91) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 2:33:12 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Hey Guys,     I just locked up with the page from glennmcc's
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  92) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 2:45:29 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Hey Guys,   I just locked up with the page from glennmcc's post#70.
| It downloaded fine but locked up when I pressed INSERT to download
| images. At the bottom of the screen I have: "Connecting to www.os2site.com, 
| glennmcc's v1.89;GPL,386+ .
| The keyboard is still alive but fills buffer and beeps on each key press.
| CTRL-ALT-ESC and ESC and CTRL-BREAK and ALT-E have no effect.
| CTRL-ALT-DEL has caused a reboot.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 93) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 3:21:17 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| gregy,
|
| Great idea... (butyouknewthiswascoming), <ggg>
|
| What if there's a 2nd, 3rd or 4th set of files on the same date ???
|
| <GGGGGGG>
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 94) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 3:25:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: post #83
|
| Hit F8/INS ... F8/INS ... F8/INS ... several times.
|
| Do it several times on all of these....
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/bad-html.htm
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/badhtml2.htm
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/badhtml3.htm
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/badhtml4.htm
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/badhtml5.htm
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 95) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 3:27:46 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| re:"Hey Guys,     I just locked up with the page from glennmcc's"
|
| Which of those 5 vesions of the page caused the lock-up ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 96) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 3:28:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Never mind.... in post 92 you clarify it... it was #5
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 97) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 3:32:15 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I'm gonna try no alterations to the page itself... but rather I will use
| the exact same page but the images will be 2 from my site instead of the
| original images on the original site.
|
| #6 to #10 will be ready in a few min which will be
| #1 to #5 with 'local images'
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 98) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 3:44:46 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ready to go.....
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/badhtml6.htm
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/badhtml7.htm
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/badhtml8.htm
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/badhtml9.htm
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/badhtml10.htm
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 99) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 3:47:01 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| If none of these cause problems........ the lock-up is being caused by
| one or more of those images from the os2site.com/icon/ directory.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 100) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 3:51:35 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That seems to be it....... many tries on all 5 pages.... no problems at-all.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 101) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 3:56:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| To confirm that it still locks-up...
|
| bad-html.htm
| 3rd try with F8/INS == locked-up tight.
|
| But all 5 of the new pages using images on my site are still 100% fine.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 102) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 4:12:21 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,     I think you have been working for some bureaucracy
| too long....those directions are far too similar to those that
| I get with my tax forms.  They look good and sound like they
| apply but.....after  closer scrutiny.....I'm not really sure
| what box to check-off and I'm not sure they apply to my
| circumstances so I have to hire someone else figure it out
| for me.  Besides....I hate to prick my finger!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 103) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 4:31:23 pm 
|
| ray>
| I dunno guys, bad-html.htm and all the rest work fine now and I
| didn't change a thing. All I did was activate my tracing code to see
| where the hang happens (IEswap()) then I deactivated it again and
| I havent been able to make it hang since. This (to quote my
| favorite TV robot) does not compute!
|
| Besides, my core is supposed to have more trouble with images than
| Glenn's but here I'm having no trouble now. Could this possibly be
| something on the other end of the wire?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 104) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 4:38:33 pm 
|
| ray>
| I managed to delete the link to the original page, can one of you guys
| repost it? I'd like to see if I have the same luck with Glenn's copy
| as with the original.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 105) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 5:02:46 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.os2site.com/sw/internet/browser/misc
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 106) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 5:10:34 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| It is very inconsistant tonight.
|
| Just a little over 1hr ago it took only 3 tries
|
| Finally got the lock-up this time on the 27th F8/INS
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 107) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 5:58:28 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Hey Guys,    Been running with Ray's build4q.zip core since last
| reboot for about 2 hrs.I haven't been at the computer all that time
| but everything was working fine. I downloaded the os2site page from
| glennmcc's post#70 with no trouble but didn't try to load images.
| I posted to this page with no trouble.  Then I went to Google
| from my Hotlist....typed in "tardis"....clicked on SEARCH and I
| locked up after 256bytes loaded,
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 108) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 6:07:12 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re:More on Google lockup
| I used CTRL_ALT_ESC to un-lock Arachne and then CTRL-BREAK to DOS.
| I restarted Arachne and then ALT-X back to DOS. Then I restarted
| Arachne again. I ALT-D to reestablish internet connection (actual
| modem connection was not lost so modem did not dial)....I connected
| to this board from my Hotlist link and I'm writing this post.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 109) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 6:15:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, for some reason I have a line of stack info obliterating the very
| first line of the tool bar at the top of the page:
|   STACK:3328 FILE: GUITICK.C   LINE: 168  COUNT: 11903
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 110) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 7:04:42 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Press F9
|
| Is it gone ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 111) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 7:12:47 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn, thanks for URL, so you are having inconsistent results to eh?
| Last night, it locked every time. 
|
| Eric, that's the tracing code in that core, CTRL Z should turn it
| off. It's pointless now anyway since we know this image thing isn't
| stack related.
|
| Thanks for detailed message. It looks like she's getting stuck in
| some loop somewhere.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 112) Sat, Feb 04, 2006 - 9:01:16 pm 
|
| ray>
| Just got the hang again. I think the offending image is the 'UP' one
| and it's notworthy that when the page loads without hanging, that
| image remains a red box even when the others are shown. When it hangs
| and I restart with C-A-Esc, that image is displayed so it looks like
| its the one thats causing the trouble. But, if this was some code
| bug, why is it so intermittent? Some xswap overwrite? Something
| related to transfer speed? Is it releveant that the image is so small?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 113) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 4:48:08 am 
|
| Eric>
| Hey Guys,  I found what is hanging Ray's  build4q.zip core when a
| Google search is tried.  I don't know why but the 2 hidden names
| added to the google search are the cause.  It works with 1 hidden
| name (either one) but both at the same time stall Arachne at 256bytes
| loaded.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 114) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 9:03:33 am 
|
| ray>
| Son of a gun! Eric, can you give me a verbatim Google search string
| URL so I can check that out? I've never had a hang with Google, but
| maybe if I have the exact URL I can duplicate it. Finaly a hot
| lead :-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 115) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 9:55:31 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   The search string is not important....it stalls with any 
| search string I use...I just used "tardis" as one as I already
| said in a previous post.  I can send an edited google page to you
| that makes reading the HTML code easier and a page with other extraneous
| stuff commented out.   I link to google and then copy my edited page
| to the google page name in the cache.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 116) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 10:02:35 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  It looks like it is something that Google is returning that
| causes Arachne to lockup since 256bytes load before the lockup.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 117) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 10:30:09 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     BTW,   I never had a problem with Google either until
| this last core of yours, I think.   
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 118) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 11:36:27 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I just checked....your 2s core also stuck with Google.
| glennmcc's  1.89 core works fine with Google.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 119) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 11:58:09 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| The string *is* important because I need to see what is being 
| added by Google, it could be that with your Google preferences
| the string ends up being different than if I typed in exactly the
| same search. I have never had a problem with Google, so it must
| be that somehow your final url ends up being different from mine.
| We won't know for sure until I type one of your hanging URL's into
| my URL line by hand, it seems sure that the url is getting fouled up
| some how. Once I can duplicate it, I'll bag it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 120) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 12:04:26 pm 
|
| ray>
| When I search Google for 'hindenburg' I get this:
|
| http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=ISO%2D8859%2D1&q=
| hindenburg&btnG=Google%20Search&meta=
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 121) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 12:05:58 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    The loading starts and loads 256bytes so the string goes thru.
| I offered to send you my work to save you time but I guess you don't
| want it. If your setup is the same as mine then you should get the same
| string. I have eliminated all preferences with my page edits. All that
| is there is search box and search button.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 122) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 12:06:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| ... and searching for tardis:
|
| http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=ISO%2D8859%2D1&q=
| tardis&btnG=Google%20Search&meta=
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 123) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 12:08:30 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmm? What work don't I want?
|
| Oh, and this is on my main machine, let me just fire up the 486
| with your settup and see if it changes ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 124) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 12:13:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| Right, here on the 486 with your settup:
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 125) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 12:19:13 pm 
|
| ray>
| ... and it's exactly the same :-/
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 126) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 12:27:32 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Did you delete your history 1st...before the search.
| I don't get any search string in the history.lst....maybe nothing is
| being sent.
| About offer for my pages....here we go again...did you read my posts.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 127) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 12:46:15 pm 
|
| ray>
| No, didn't delete history, but did kill cache. I'll try both.
| As to pages, something just isn't getting through here, I have no
| idea what you are reffering to. Let me just reread the last 
| few days posts ...
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 128) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 12:47:53 pm 
|
| ray>
| Just reread everying by you and I see nothing about this :-/
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 129) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 12:52:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| Something interesting: my search string changes when I use google.ca
| or google.com even though I search for exactly the same thing. Also,
| sometimes long URLs seem to be truncated in the history list, but
| sometimes not.
|
| BTW, about the only time I normaly get '256 bytes downloaded' messages
| on my status line is during cookie download, you don't suppose there
| could be something amiss with your cookies.lst? What happens if
| you delete it?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 130) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 1:00:13 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Did you re-read post#115?   
| Check your mailbox....I just sent edited Google pages.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 131) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 1:03:49 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I think maybe the 256bytes read maybe only the URL line
| being read/sent.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 132) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 1:07:52 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Read your history list with an editor and see if looks
| different.....eg. URL's not truncated?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 133) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 1:13:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| 115 rodger that, it's just what I'm asking for :-)
| About the 256, I think your right, I do see it more often, sometimes
| cookie stuff comes at almost the same time, but it's not the same
| thing. I'll try those URL's you sent and see what we can see.
| If no luck, I'll send you a debugging core. CTRL + Z turns logging
| of/on, you'll see the ugly text display on your screen and it will
| create functrac.log as well. To use it, get as close to the
| trouble as you can, like just before clicking on whatever is 
| sure to end up haning, then CTRL + Z to enable the log, then
| start her rolling with a click to 'search' or whatever. When she
| hangs CTRLALTESC and DO NOT resart Arachne, break out to dos, then
| check that the log is ok and send it to me, it will show the
| last function calls before the hang.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 134) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 1:18:25 pm 
|
| ray>
| re truncation, good idea, next time I get a trucated one, I'll check.
| I figure it's all there because you can reload by clicking on the
| truncated line in history. But some lines are not trunctated, they go
| as far to the right as they want. Maybe Glenn know why.
|
| Oh, the logging above slows down the machine quite a bit. As long as
| you see the display wizzing by, don't worry, she's still ticking,
| untill that frezzes.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 135) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 1:25:56 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I didn't send you any URLs 'cause I don't get any in the
| history.lst.....I sent you the Google pages I edited to find the
| cause of the hang.  I don't know what your reading....have you had
| your eyes/glasses checked lately?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 136) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 1:29:43 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I'm going to start sending you one line messages 'cause you
| always seem to get those right. <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 137) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 1:30:54 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yes, I see, I've got pages, but no URL strings, so what can I do?
| I assumed 'page' meant the URL to load some page. I don't know
| HTML, so I can't make anything out of the page code itself and I figure
| that isn't the problem anyway, tho I suppose it could be. Hmmm maybe
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 138) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 1:33:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| Have I completely misunderstood? When you say above you can edit
| and it works ok, I'm assuming that you are editing the URL line to
| remove someting. Do you mean you have been eding the HTML page
| itself??? Yes, that's got to be it. Shit, I never even considered that,
| it's just not on my mental map.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 139) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 1:41:27 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Do you know how to use those pages I sent?
| I explained it in post#115 but I'm not sure you understood
| what I wrote....you know, since your in a foreign country, eh?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 140) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 1:56:39 pm 
|
| Eric >
| Ray,  BTW, they have been giving dogsled rides in Downtown Detroit
| for the last few days in conjunction with the Super Bowl.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 141) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:02:20 pm 
|
| ray>
| That's funny. This winter has been so mild here that we are still
| cutting the grass but they're dogsledding in Detroit.
|
| As to using those pages, I am now begining so see that I should
| try them not just look at them. 
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 142) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:04:43 pm 
|
| ray>
| Well so much for that idea, I tried to use those pages as if they
| were infact Google, and it don't work. So what do I do? Remember
| I don't know diddley about HTML.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 143) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:10:34 pm 
|
| Eric >
| Ray,    I think you have to first link to Google and load the google
| page...then I ALT-E and go to the cache and replace the just loaded
| Google page with a copy of mine, giving my copy the cache number/name.
| Then I EXIT back to arachne and my page is loaded on return to Arachne.
| I then enter my search string and click on the search button.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 144) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:23:13 pm 
|
| ray>
| Fancy stuff! Anyway, I just edited the google page while hot, and
| sure enough it worked, I copied your editing and commented out
| the 'ISO' line and sure enough the URL produced lacked that 
| string. I had no idea such things were possible.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 145) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:25:12 pm 
|
| ray>
| So, it looks like the 'hidden name' is a problem? Can't have two 
| of them? Why is it fine here?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 146) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:25:25 pm 
|
| Eric >
| Ray, those pages are in fact Google, you just have to use them 
| properly. <ggg> Follow my directions.....should I send them one 
| line at a time?   It is imperative that you first link to Google
| so that Arachne is prepared to use the pages when  you substitute
| my pages for the downloaded page in the cache.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 147) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:31:28 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Do you still get that 'hang' when using this page ?
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/google-s.htm
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 148) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:33:29 pm 
|
| Eric >
| Ray,   If you use my pages you will see that it tells you which
| line is being used, line 57 or line 59 or both.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 149) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:37:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| Modified page:
|
| http://www.google.com/search?hl=en
| &q=hindenburg&btnG=Google%20Search
|                                                       
| Normal page:
|
| http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en
| &ie=ISO%2D8859%2D1
| &q=hindenburg&btnG=Google%20Search&meta=                 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 150) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:38:03 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yeah, I'm not that dumb <ggg> I can see how it works.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 151) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:39:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| 1st URL resulted from "tardis" when using my edited page
|
| http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO%2D8859%2D1&q=%22tardis%22&btnG
| http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO%2D8859%2D1&q=%22tardis%22
|
| 2nd URL resulted from "tardis" using http://www.google.com/ directly.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 152) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:40:46 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric, I don't think I have to pull that trick, I know the point
| you are making and the hot edit did the same thing. But here's a
| question, If I link to google, why can't I just load your modified
| page directly and use it thus? It didn't work when I tried, but
| I don't see why it wouldn't (not that I see very much ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 153) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:41:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| My page contains 3 'hidden' input lines.
|
| <input type=hidden name=hl value="en">
| <input type=hidden name=lr value="">
| <input type=hidden name=ie value="ISO-8859-1">
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 154) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:42:10 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn, only you can figure this out, what the heck is going on here?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 155) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:43:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.google.com/ contains only 2 
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 156) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:43:35 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| <input type=hidden name=hl value=en>
| <input type=hidden name=ie value="ISO-8859-1">
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 157) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:44:12 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yo! I can use that page Glenn, this is magical, I was on the board,
| clicked your 'URL' entered a search and got results, how does ...
| never mind, I wouldn't understand anyway. Gotta learn HTML!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 158) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:44:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Most likely... something in cgiquery.c is causing the hang in your core.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 159) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:46:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: "how does..."
|
|
| You already said it, dude.
|
| It's magical ;-)
|
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 160) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:50:25 pm 
|
| ray>
| So why does the same code have no trouble here??
|
| Environment size?
| TEMP dir size?
| OS?
| Something in the connection?
| Personal data?
|
| What else could be different?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 161) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:50:26 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I explain why it doesn't work in post#146
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  162) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:51:15 pm 
|
| ray>
| Nap time.
|
| When I wake, as from a dream, ... never mind.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 163) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:51:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| To make Eric's edited pages work magically.....
|
| <form action=/search name=f>
|
| Change to........
|
| <form action=http://www.google.com/search name=f>
|
| Also change any other links so that they also include
| http://www.google.com/ at the start of the URL
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 164) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:52:30 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Did you get my email?   Your page locked me up and I'm
| re-installing.   I sent you the pages I sent Ray. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  165) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:54:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Alternately.... simply place this line just before thew <body tag.
|
| <base href="http://www.google.com/">
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 166) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:55:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Off to get the mail ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 167) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 2:57:01 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     You don't have to change anything in my pages....
| just substitute them for the just linked to Google page in the
| cache....it's quite simple. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  168) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:01:48 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I'll have to try inserting "base ref" and see how
| that works.....I wanted to make sure I making Arachne work
| identically as a directly linked to page. <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 169) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:03:07 pm 
|
| Eric>
| I didn't want to introduce any new parameters into the picture.
| <ggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  170) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:08:09 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Got 'em, used 'em as instucted, all 3 work fine here with my core.
|
| Inserted <base href, used 'em again, all 3 work 'magically' now. ;-)
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/google-0.htm
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/google-1.htm
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/google-2.htm
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 171) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:11:05 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO%2D8859%2D1&q=%22tardis%22
| (google-0.htm)
|
| http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO%2D8859%2D1&q=%22tardis%22
| (google-1.htm)
|
| http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22tardis%22
| (google-2.htm)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 172) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:17:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO%2D8859%2D1&q=%22tardis%22
| (google00.htm subbed for nnnnnnnn.htm in cache)
|
| http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO%2D8859%2D1&q=%22tardis%22
| (google01.htm subbed for nnnnnnnn.htm in cache)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 173) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:17:45 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     Yeh,  I never had any trouble with your core, just
| with Ray's on Google.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  174) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:18:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22tardis%22
| (google02.htm subbed for nnnnnnnn.htm in cache)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 175) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:21:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep... gotcha.
|
| And now Ray can see the resulting URLs from those 3 pages when they work
| as intended.
|
| Ray,
| Any difference in those URLs when used with your core will probably be
| the result of some difference between your cgiquery.c and mine.
|
| But this still does not explain the 'hangs' that Eric is getting.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 176) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:24:54 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| When the 'hang' happens, how long do you wait before 'breaking out' ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 177) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:26:42 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Or Why does it work when only one of the "<input type=hidden...."
| is used. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 178) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:26:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Do you have the 'logo animation' turned on int upper right corner ?
|
| If yes... does it continue to animate during the hang ?
|
| If no... please turn it on and see if it animates during the hang.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 179) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:29:04 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    When it's hung.....it's permanently hung! <ggg>  No
| question about it!  Until power failure occurs. <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  180) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:29:22 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| 1 vs 2 'hidden' items is handled by cgiquery.c
|
| So it's the place to look.
|
| But I'll be darned if I can figure-out why more than 2 cuses a hang.
| (my edited page also hung on ya' and it has 3)
|
| So it seems that Ray's core is hanging on any more than 1
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 181) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:30:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gotcha...... permanently hung
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 182) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:31:15 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Correction to post 180.....
|
| "why more than 1 causes a hang"
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 183) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:31:55 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    No animation during hang......only animates when a page is
| loading anyway. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 184) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:32:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Headed to Wrangler's for dinner...
|
| BBL
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 185) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 3:37:31 pm 
|
| Eric>
| My neck's stiff too....'til later. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 186) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 4:24:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| In post 117 Eric mentions that he doesn't think this 'google hang'
| started till your latest core.
|
| Does the core in question contain my fix for an 'empty value' when value==""
|
| If so..... disable that fix to see if it causing this hang.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 187) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 4:27:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| If disabling that fix, fixes the hang..... double check your
| implementation compared to mine.
|
| --- in cgiquery.c ----
|
|      //Note: select tag cannot modify ARACHNE.CFG. It would be nice,
|      //maybe when everything else is done we can take a look at it.
|      {
|       i=0;
|       while(i<tmpeditor.lines && qlen<MAXQUERY-80-IE_MAXLEN)
|       {
|        ptr=ie_getline(&tmpeditor,i);
|        if(ptr)
|        {
| if(*ptr=='1') //selected value:
| {
|  if(ptr[1])
|   strcpy(p->buf,&ptr[1]);
|  else
| //!!glennmcc: Jan 11, 2006 -- if value="" ... value=(blank)
|  if(strlen(ptr)==1 && i==0) strcpy(p->buf,"\0"); else
| //!!glennmcc: end
|   makestr(p->buf,ie_getline(&tmpeditor,i+1),BUF);
|
|  querystring=ie_getswap(GLOBAL.postdataptr);
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 188) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 4:29:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| This latest itteration out of about 12 is the one that finally works
| correctly in all situations that I have tried.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 189) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 4:31:42 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As we see... google _does_ have a value=""
|
| <input maxlength=2048 size=55 name=q value="" title="Google Search">
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 190) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 4:33:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Since it's not in a 'select tag' the fix _shouldn't_ be effecting it.
|
| But...... it's a place to start. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 191) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 5:03:41 pm 
|
| ray>
| Na, left that out to let it blow in the wind for a bit
| (I have enough trouble with my own bad ideas ;-)
|
| But you make a good point, Eric is this google thing present in
| all the cores I've sent or just the last one?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 192) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 5:10:24 pm 
|
| Eric>
| This google thing is new....at least I never noticed it until recently.
| Google hang occurs in build2s.zip and build4q.zip cores for sure.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  193) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 5:11:20 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Hey, aren't you watching the Super Bowl?
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  194) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 5:14:27 pm 
|
| ray>
| I don't like football, it's too hard to play on ice ;-)
| But let me turn it on just the same ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 195) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 5:23:59 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| No SB here either.... I _hate_ all sports. :(
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 196) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 5:25:02 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| Gitcha .... 'empty value fix' not in there.
|
| Oh well... it was a thought.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 197) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 5:46:51 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| You wanna talk about weired ?
|
| http://www.os2site.com/sw/internet/browser/misc
| is redirecting to.... http://www.asio.gov.au/
|
| Welcome to the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) - home p
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 198) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 6:05:34 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| According to 'WhoIs' search. the IP address for os3site.com is...
| http://210.8.201.168/
|
| This too yields access to asio.gov.au instead of os2site.com
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 199) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 6:07:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The Australian government seems to have 'hijacked' os2site.com
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 200) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 7:19:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| It just occured to me that if the Ausie gov began the take-over a few
| days ago....
|
| There might never have been anything at-all wrong on our end.
| (and still isn't)
|
| "Carnivour" might have been intensionally locking us up.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 201) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 8:07:22 pm 
|
| ray>
| No jive?
| When I click on your URL it seems to go to the right place, or
| is something going on that I can't see?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 202) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 8:08:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, and long live Sec. Rumsfeld. What's good for Haliburton is good
| for ... Canada, I say.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 203) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 8:21:26 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Now that we have something specific to look at with this Google 
| thing, I'll send you an older build that only requires the
| changed .bat, all else is stock. Let me know if it has the 
| Google problem and we can go from there. This core is in use
| in several places and hasn't had any trouble, so that should tell
| us something.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 204) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 9:14:05 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...Re: 93....
| "What if there's a 2nd, 3rd or 4th set of files on the same date ???"
| .....
| I can only say, "You're workin' too hard...!!!"  <g g g>
| ...
| ...wait and send them the next day...???
| ...
| I haven't an answer.....what do you suggest...??
| ...
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 205) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 9:22:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| /60205a/1stset
| /60205b/2ndset
| /60205c/3rdset
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 206) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 9:23:09 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/carnivr1.gif
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/carnivr2.gif
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 207) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 9:28:49 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/carnivr3.gif
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/carnivr4.gif
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 208) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 9:32:09 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| every link to every file on bad-html.htm takes me to... http://www.asio.gov.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 209) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 9:34:22 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Maybe it's a DNS problem when linking to any link with www.os2site.com
|
| But no DNS comes into play when accessing the IP address directly.
|
| But just in case.... I'm gonna switch to dial-up and try again.
| (different DNSs will be in use then)
|
| BRB
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 210) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 9:47:54 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now I _know_ it's Carnivour.
|
| Alt+X
| unload ed my NIC driver
| arachne.bat
| linked to ACF for dial-up to CisNet with Lsppp
| dialed, connected, logged in to CisNet
| Came here
| tried the link to os2site.com
|
| locked-up-tight with messahge in lower/left
| "Connecting to www.os2site.com, port 80"
|
| Cold reboot via reset button on CPU
|
| Re-setup for dialup... re-dial, re-login, come back here, try again...
| rediected to www.asio.gov.au
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 211) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 9:48:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now I'll try with Miniterm/Epppd and yet some different DNSs
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 212) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 10:00:01 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Still the same.
|
| But this time I had my finger poised over the PrintScreen key
| and I was quick enough to catch the "Redirection..." message
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/carnivr5.gif
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 213) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 10:05:46 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Attempted traceroute to os3site.com == 100% packet loss
|
| http://www.fifi.org/services/traceroute?hostname=os2site%2Ecom&nprobes=1&res
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 214) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 10:06:45 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Attempted ping of os3site.com == 100% packet loss
|
| http://www.fifi.org/services/ping?hostname=os2site%2Ecom&packetcount=1&packe
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 215) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 10:09:15 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| ping and traceroute of asio.gov.au also == 100% packet loss.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 216) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 10:12:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| ping and traceroute of 210.8.201.168 == 100% packet loss.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 217) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 10:37:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| Why on earth would these people be interested in an OS/2 site?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 218) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 10:39:24 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| I was just at AVA, thought it's time I joined ;-) Looks good, but
| I couldn't get past the info page. Where do I set password?
| I saw where to use it but not set it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 219) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 10:40:55 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I just now tried using my 'local copy' of Traceroute.
|
| Cannot traceroute a network !
| Cannot traceroute a network !
| Cannot traceroute a network !
| Cannot traceroute a network !
| Cannot traceroute a network !
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 220) Sun, Feb 05, 2006 - 11:14:20 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ah HA !!!
|
| They found-out that I caught 'em... it's not redirecting anymore.
|
| os2site.com is simply 'down' now and can't be accessed.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 221) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 2:40:01 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray....let me check that AVA "set password"..function, myself...it's 
| been so long that I've forgotten......<g g g>
| ...
| I'll get back with the info
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 222) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 2:42:13 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...now it's redirecting to that Aussie Sec. site, again....
| ...
| I asked about it on my os2users list....the guy who owns/owned os2site
| is named Ian Manner, and he just posted to that list about a month
| ago....
| ...
| We'll see what the other listers say...
| ..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 223) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 2:50:46 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...go to:
|
| http://arachne.virtualave.net/
|
| ..wait for redirection, then when the HOMEpage comes up...right at the
| top of the textarea, click the "register" link, and you will be taken
| to the RegisterPage....
| ...it asks you to fill in, at the minimum, your Username/email-address
| ...read the security-promise, and disclaimers, then fill in, at least,
| those two "*"ed items...
| ...
| Once you complete this registration, go check your email for your
| password (which will be sent to you), and come back and "LOGIN" on the
| HOMEpage, etc....and you'll be set for life...<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 224) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 6:21:52 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| And after you're logged in, go to 'Change member Details'
| to change password if you so wish.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 225) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 8:04:02 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Very strange, very strange indeed.
|
| Less than 2 min. ago I took the link from here to os2site.com
| with no problem via Linux FireFox
|
| Rebooted, came here with Arachne and again I'm being redirected to asio.gov.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 226) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 8:34:20 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now here in Win98 FireFox... os2site.com accessible with no problems.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  227) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 8:34:39 am 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Got my password in the mail this morning. But shouldn't it say 
| something to that effect? I mean shouldn't it notify you that
| the password will be sent latter?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 228) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 8:38:12 am 
|
| ray>
| I guess you guys know what you are talking about, but I have yet to
| have any redirection from that site to Australia.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 229) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 8:39:45 am 
|
| ray>
| Could it be that we Canuks are not being chewed on by carnivore so
| I'm immune to this?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 230) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 8:39:55 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Lynx v2.85.1 in DOS also accessing os2site.com with no problems
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  231) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 8:41:15 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Back to Arachne and back to being redirected to asio.gov.au
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 232) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 8:46:40 am 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| What does your user_agent string say in your core.exe ?
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/usragent.php
|
| Mine shows....
| xChaos_Arachne/5.1.91;UE11 (www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 233) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 8:54:51 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| There we go... further proof that Carnivour is at work and is 'keying'
| on the word "chaos".
|
| I just got through with no trouble at=-all to os2sote.com with this
| fresh compile of core.exe 
|
| One change and only one....
|
| New user agent string.......
| Mozilla_compatible/5.1.91;UE11
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 234) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 8:58:05 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Another fresh compile and it gets through just fine.
|
| UA string......
| Arachne/5.1.91;UE11 (www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 235) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 8:59:16 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Back to... xChaos_Arachne/5.1.91;UE11 (www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/)
|
| And I'm redirected again.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 236) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 9:03:38 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ah ha.... Carnivour is not checking phonetic variations.
|
| xChoas == redirect
| xKaos  == no redirect
|
| xKaos_Arachne/5.1.91;UE11 (www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 237) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 9:06:07 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oops.. typo on my part.
|
| xChaos == redirect
|
| But these tests confirm it.
|
| The redirect _is_ happening due to the word "chaos" in the UA string.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 238) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 9:12:02 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Just in case it might have been the full string as-is
|
| I simply changed the version number to 1.90 as Joe and I already discussed
| doing for the next release.
|
| xChaos_Arachne/5.1.91;UE11 (www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/)
| xChaos_Arachne/5.1.90;UE11 (www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/)
|
| 1.90 still redirects.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 239) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 9:15:41 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| GPL also redirects the same as my UE compile did
|
| xChaos_Arachne/5.1.90;GPL,386+ (www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/)
|
| The only thing that prevents the redirect is getting ridd of 'Chaos' at
| the start of the UA string.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 240) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 9:25:28 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Further proof.
|
| Just fired-up Lynx 2.85.1 and changed the UA string to......
| xChaos_Arachne/5.1.90;GPL,386+/(Lynx_masqu)
|
| Now Lynx also gets redirected to asio.gov.au
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 241) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 9:33:01 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    This build9k.zip sucks.....I tried replacing the files in a 
| working setup of your 4q and I could not connect to any internet
| sites ie. no links worked.
| So, I rebooted and reinstalled glennmcc's 1.89 and then switched to
| your build9k files....still no links work.  It dials and connects but
| no response to clicking on any links...it just stalls for a while.
| As usual,  one just can't do a simple switch to your core.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  242) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 9:34:39 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ah HA !!!
|
| It's not "Chaos"  it's "xChaos"
|
| Chaos_Arachne/5.1.90/Lynx == no redirect
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 243) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 9:42:26 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    What exactly is Carnivour?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  244) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 3:37:17 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.google.com/search?q=carnivour%20fbi%20cia%20spy
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 245) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 3:41:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| Some 'constructive critisism' if I may.
|
| IMO,
| You have too many builds 'in the wild'.
|
| My advice would be to make a list of builds you feel can be abandoned
| and ask everyone who might have them to delete everything on your list.
|
| This might help to 'narrow the field' so that things will be a bit less
| confusing.
|
| But then again... I might be full of s*** <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 246) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 4:05:40 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn, this carnivore stuff is facinating, so they really are out
| there snooping on us eh? And some variations in our results can
| come from different agent strings. Who would have thought. I wonder
| if the nice friendly 'compatable' Mozzila' string might be of use
| in other situations. Maybe we should ID ourselves as real good
| friends of M$ <g g g>
|
| RE the build chaos, rodger that.
|
| Eric,
|
| All you should need to swap are the core and the .bat, the rest of
| the files used should be stock. At least that's what works here <:-(
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 247) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 4:08:38 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric, just incase it's due to connection stuff, try connecting
| with Glenn's core, then swap my core and .bat and see how it goes.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 248) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 5:49:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Nuts, just trying that core on the 486, and she don't connect with
| your settup, sorry about that, it uses the old style connection 
| protocols. You can just type 'connect.bat' on the command line
| (or whatever your connect.bat is called) or you can connect with 
| Glenn's and then switch. All I want to know is if the Google problem
| is there, that's it, once I have the answer, toast it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 249) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 8:25:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK... I feel like an ASS now. :(
|
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
|   From: deadmail at comkal.net 
|     To: glennmcc@cisnet.com 
|   Date: Subject:ComKal Networks Contact Form 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| This is a copy of what you submitted at http://www.comkal.net/
| Thank you for your feedback/comments/interest, if you have a problem, we wil
| respond as quickly as we can.
|
| ***************************************
| From:     Glenn McCorkle
| email:     glennmcc@cisnet.com
| Comments: -
| Mr. Manners,
|
| It seems that I owe you an apology.
|
| Myself and a couple of the other members of the
|
| Arachne Development team have been trying to figure-out
|
| what is wrong in Arachne that's causing it to 'lock-up' when
|
| visiting os2site.com
|
| The many, many reloads I was doing a couple of days ago seem to have thrown-
| 'flag' which caused you to put a redirect in-place for all access to your si
| from our user-agent string. Please accept my most sincere apology for any 
| trouble this has caused for you.
|
| ***************************************
| Regards
| Ian Manners
| http://www.comkal.com.au/
|
| Form submitted from http://www.comkal.net/.
| The remote IP address is 68.252.128.84.
|
|
| ============================================================================
| Arachne Insight 4.2;ML, GNUpyright (G)1997-2000 Arachne Labs
| (now being maintained by the Arachne Development team)
|
|
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
|
|   From: "ComKal Admin" <admin at comkal.com.au> 
|     To: "glennmcc@cisnet.com" <glennmcc@cisnet.com> 
|      Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:12:11 +1100 (EDT) 
|    Mailer: PMMail 2.20.2382 for OS/2 Warp 4.5 
|   Subject: Re: ComKal Networks Contact Form 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| Hi Glenn
|
| > It seems that I owe you an apology.
|
| Um, not really, due to your log entrys I discovered that the headers werent
| being added to the pages correctly, currently fixing that, wonder when it br
|
| > Myself and a couple of the other members of the
| > Arachne Development team have been trying to figure-out
| > what is wrong in Arachne that's causing it to 'lock-up' when
| > visiting os2site.com
| >
| > The many, many reloads I was doing a couple of days ago seem to have throw
| a 'flag' which caused you to put a redirect in-place for all access to your 
| from our user-agent string. Please accept my most sincere apology for any 
| trouble this has caused for you.
|
| ok, will go and clear it from the FW. I think I have it set a bit toooo 
| sensitive.
| Will be able to access it in about 2-3 hours.
|
| Thanks :-)
|
| Cheers
| Ian Manners
| ComKal Networks Australia
|
|
| ============================================================================
| Arachne Insight 4.2;ML, GNUpyright (G)1997-2000 Arachne Labs
| (now being maintained by the Arachne Development team)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 250) Mon, Feb 06, 2006 - 9:20:01 pm 
|
| ray>
| Nice guy.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 251) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 12:42:18 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    We have a definite communication problem here.....
| Either I have forgotten how to write or you have developed a
| reading comprehension problem. <ggg>
| 1. In post #241 I spelled out exactly what I did which is what
| you just asked me to do as if I never did it.
| 2. You asked me to use my connect.bat when the problem that
| I describe is not with connect.bat.  Arachne shows as connected,
| the modem works, I just don't get any response when I click on
| any link unless the page has already been loaded previously
| and is in the cache.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 252) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 12:46:29 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  I can't test for the Google problem because there is a different
| problem that supercedes the Google problem......NO LINKS WORK....
| I can not load any page from the internet including Google.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 253) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 8:29:13 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| What we have is an assumptions problem, and we have that because we
| are working so far outside the bounds of teritory where we *can*
| have a common set of assumptions that no one knows what needs to
| be said or not. What I'm trying to do is just dig up old cores
| for the one test (Google) but of course there are other bugs in the
| base 6 series at the same time. Seems to me I remember one of my
| earlier efforts had this no links trouble but I can't remember 
| which one since so much has been done. Let's just forget it, this
| is wearing you down. Until I get another tester to confirm this
| Google bug we're just wandering around in the dark.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 254) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 1:20:14 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I don't understand if were going back how we went from
| BUILD4Q.ZIP to BUILD9K.ZIP. It doesn't make sense to me.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 255) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 2:53:07 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Build9k.zip  core works OK on Google after I spent a lot of time
| figuring/remembering what was needed to make it work.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 256) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 2:55:46 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  Build9k has other bugs but Google doesn't lockup.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 257) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 2:58:43 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    As far as I know you never sent me the tracing core that
| you promised me.....I tried CTRL-Z with this core and nothing
| seems to happen.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 258) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 3:25:34 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| By this..."I just don't get any response when I click on any link"
|
| Do you mean that nothing at-all happens ?
|
| Or do you mean that when you click a link, the blue/green squares
| cycle in the XCH logo and after the 'time-out' you get the ERR_LOAD.AH
| (Arachne Load Error) screen ?
|
| If that's what you're getting... it sounds like a DNS problem to me.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 259) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 4:51:38 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Good question, but the answer is the 'ol odometer thing -- after
| I get to 9z with builds, gotta start over -- that core is
| almost 6 months old before she 'turned over'.
|
| Now, what did you do to make it work? I agree with Glenn, it was
| probably some connection/DNS thing. But it doesn't matter, 'cause
| I've got the answer I need: Google OK with your machine and settup
| with that build, thussly, it's not some local annomaly, but must
| be something in the core itself. That core was from September, so
| now I'll send one from December and see what we see. 
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 260) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 4:53:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| Or ... would you like a tracing core first? More fun to play with :-)
| And she's compatible with the files from the last current upload, so
| there should not be any new headaches.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 261) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 4:56:47 pm 
|
| ray>
| Got to take my hat off to Eric, the Energiser Bunny of testers,
| he just keeps going and going ;-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 262) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 4:59:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| do you still have those hover testing pages that we used back then?
| I'm making a very slight logical simplification in onmouse and I'd
| like to make sure it's OK, should be but ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 263) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 6:06:15 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep... they're still in 'my-stuff'
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/testcssf.htm
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/testcssf2.htm
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/testcssf3.htm
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/testcssf4.htm
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 264) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 7:34:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| Thanks, it sure is nice the way you keep all that stuff handy, one
| never knows when the need to recheck something might not show up.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 265) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 9:24:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| We packrats come in handy now and then... don't we ? <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 266) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 10:05:52 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, glennmcc,   It was the old "ip number" thing....for some reason
| beyond my comprehension, Ray's cores demand the IP NUMBER to in PPP.LOG
| and glennmcc's cores want it in the %MYIP%.  You guys should know why.
| You got the source code and know how to read it. I'm just a
| guinea-mouse. Non habla C.  Oh yeh, And Ray uses BOOTP and tells us
| it works for him.  Well, it never has for me that I know of, and it 
| for sure doesn't now.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 267) Tue, Feb 07, 2006 - 10:16:11 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   BTW, I still don't really understand how you
| use/get/sort/calculate these BUILDXX.zip names. 
| You know DOS does accept 8 digit names.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 268) Wed, Feb 08, 2006 - 7:38:49 am 
|
| ray>
| Mornin' Eric,
|
| Home sick today again.
| That core was just in the transition zone between the old way and
| the new way, connection way, still these little anomalies are of
| interest, once this Google thing is out of the way it would be good
| to get these variations sorted out once and for all.
|
| Here's how my 'build' numbering works:
|
| main.c
| init.c
| protocol.c
| arachne.h
|
| etc.
|
| Now when I back them up at the begining of a series:
|
| main.c1a
| init.c1a
| arachne.h1a
|
| and 233 builds latter:
|
| main.c9z
| init.c9z
| arachne.h9z
|
| So, since the 'c' and 'h' space is taken, I've got two characters
| left for build ID.
|
| I type 'backup 5f' to backup everything to build '5f'
| I type 'restore 4g' to restore the '4g' build.
|
| This way I can keep everything sorted out even though it's all in
| the same directory.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 269) Wed, Feb 08, 2006 - 7:44:10 am 
|
| ray>
| And when the directory gets too full of old builds I type
| 'makezip 3f' to zip up and delete all the build 3f files into
| 'build3f.zip'
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 270) Wed, Feb 08, 2006 - 7:49:41 am 
|
| ray>
| So what's your poison, a more recent core than 9k to track down
| the bug the hard but sure way, or a tracing core to figure out
| where it hangs and sort it out that way?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 271) Wed, Feb 08, 2006 - 9:47:20 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  I've been waiting for that tracing core for a long time now....
| I'm beginning to think it doesn't exist...or...for some reason you
| don't want to send it to me.
|
| I went back to version 1.85:B6-b:2k and it locked up on Google
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  272) Wed, Feb 08, 2006 - 1:58:35 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Broke the 4000 mark today <g>
| _______________________________
|      My site stats
| (number of hits to each page) 
|
| ar189 4002 (since Nov 27, 2005)
| _______________________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 273) Wed, Feb 08, 2006 - 2:00:28 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Complete stats here...
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/sitestat.php
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 274) Wed, Feb 08, 2006 - 2:27:27 pm 
|
| ray>
| As they said in 'Butch Cassidy' : "Who *are* those guys" :-))
|
| Eric,
|
| Ok, it's in the wire, (we Canadians need to be told specificaly that
| we can send something or it's considered rude ... maybe we need to
| be told several times < ggg >
|
| you say *2k* locked, not 9k? There is a build 2k of course, but 
| just to make sure the above wasn't a typo. I don't recall sending
| '2k'.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 275) Wed, Feb 08, 2006 - 2:30:10 pm 
|
| ray>
| If '2k' was not a typo, that build is from Dec 05, so we'd already
| have the error bracketed.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 276) Wed, Feb 08, 2006 - 3:16:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric, sent it just now.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 277) Wed, Feb 08, 2006 - 4:12:35 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Not a typo....you didn't just send it.....you sent it to me
| last year....because of your numbering system I'm not always sure
| of sequence....I have to go by date.
| I have a date of 12/04/2005 on 2k
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 278) Wed, Feb 08, 2006 - 5:28:43 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| That's great, so we have it surownded. Let's see how it goes with
| the tracing core. If needed I'll send a core from around the 
| odometer turnover, i.e. about November. I find working across the
| turnover a bit disconcerting to FWIW, hard to get used to the idea
| that 9k is older than 4s but with any luck it won't need to be done
| again.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 279) Thu, Feb 09, 2006 - 2:03:11 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  It looks to me that on Google search, Arachne goes into a loop
| with IEKERNEL.C  ,,, The last 11 calls are to line 183 of IEKERNEL.C
| when Arachne locks up on a Google search.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 280) Thu, Feb 09, 2006 - 7:28:43 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Send it to me, I'll have a look. Probably isn't what it seems, tho.
| IEKERNEL itself is probably failing to to something alright, but
| the loop *calling* iekernel is probably where we've got to look.
| If the file is huge, which it can be, just end the last couple of
| hundred lines.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 281) Thu, Feb 09, 2006 - 12:02:47 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric, just sent the 6a core, it's about 1/2 way between the other two.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 282) Thu, Feb 09, 2006 - 12:04:03 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    the log is in your mailbox.  It's not that big. If you 
| get a search page and let it load then it is a 900K file. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  283) Thu, Feb 09, 2006 - 12:59:46 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      1.85:B6a:1f   locks up on Google.....256 bytes read.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 284) Thu, Feb 09, 2006 - 3:50:16 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Ah, moving right along. This is moving fast, so might as well
| get things narrowed down a bit more, let me root around in the
| archives and split the difference in half again ...
|
| Got the log, thanks, will study it now.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 285) Thu, Feb 09, 2006 - 4:16:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hmmmm,
| 256 bytes read is hwere it always freezes.
|
| Ray,
|
| Double check your implementation of Joes implementation of my
| implementation of the bytes/sec download progress indicator.
|
| <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 286) Thu, Feb 09, 2006 - 4:36:36 pm 
|
| ray>
| Well well. We have a compound error here, which is to say two things
| that wouldn't be problems by themselves but are problems when 
| combined. For some reason Arachne is trying to quit after starting
| your Google search, but on quiting, she tries to update your
| arachne.pck and is not suceeding in doing so, any idea why? Now 
| here's my mistake: on detecting the failed write, I have arachne
| try to exit with an error message to that effect ha! but she 
| is *already* trying to exit with some *other*  error message and
| this ends up in a recursive loop, thus the hang. That's a simple
| stupid mistake on my part, easy to fix, however, we still need to
| know why Arachne can't update your .pck, once that is solved, the
| newest core should proceed to quit with the message that she 
| was trying to print in the first place, then we'll now what was
| bothering her to begin with. Then we've got it in the bag.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 287) Thu, Feb 09, 2006 - 4:38:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn, you got my core? 
|
| Anyway, see above, the scent is strong.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 288) Thu, Feb 09, 2006 - 4:43:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| See the goof?
|
| This is such a classic mistake that it's worth showing;
|
|
| ERRORS.C:
|
| //4a Moved here from misc.c, only need to do this on exit/restart.
| static void near SavePick DeF (void) // Save configuration.  See also LoadPi
| {
|   extern char *mpArachnePick;
|   int f = open(mpArachnePick, oBINARY oCREAT oTRUNC oWRONLY, IREADWRITE);
| FUNCNORM
|   if(f == -1)
|     TerminateArachne(145);
|
|   write(f, &Arachne, sizeof(struct ArachnePick));
|   write(f, p->Frame, MAXFRAMES * (1 + sizeof(struct HTMLframe)));
|   write(f, pAuthentication, sizeof(struct AuthStruct));
|   close(f);
| }
| // All controled exits handled here incl. Alt+E shells.
| void TerminateArachne DeF (int rv)
| {
| FUNCNORM
| //4s [ Move some code here from main()
|   if(rv == 32) { aTARGET = aSCRIPTLINE = 0; } // !!!
|   if(FULLSCREEN) aGUISTYLE -= 4;
|   aTOOLBARPAGE = *gToolbarKey; // RAY: 051225: Only need to do this on exit.
|   SavePick(); 
|   IEsaveBin(&HTTPcache);
|   IEsaveF(&History);
|
|   if(gTCPIP) IEsaveF(&Cookies);
|   else       unlink("PPP.LOG"); // RAY: B6: Done in arachne.bat too.
| //4s ]
|   //4s Why bother? memset(pAuthentication, 0, sizeof(struct AuthStruct));
|   DeallocVirtual(); // Release memory used by virtual screen.
|   XCloseAnimGIF();  // Release memory for GIF's
|   x_fnt_cls();      // Release font memory.
|   IEdestroy();      // Wipe out XSWAP
| //4p
| #ifdef FUNCTRACE_ON
|   {
|     extern int functraclog;
|     if(functraclog != -1)
|       close(functraclog);
|   }
| #endif
| // Change to normal text screen except when executing $roura$.bat
|   if(rv != 64 && rv != 31) // 31 = don't overwrite error msg. from above.
|     x_grf_mod(3);
|
|   if(rv == 32) // Normal exit.
|   {
|     printf(cEND, cVER_DOS);
|     if(gTCPIP) puts(cRETURN);
|   }
|   exit(rv);
| }
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 289) Thu, Feb 09, 2006 - 7:35:06 pm 
|
| ray>
| I'm like a frustrated bloodhound that found *something* even though
| it's not what I'm looking for -- the above is indeed a bug, and it
| was indeed on the trail, but it's not the bug I'm looking for, so
| please pardon my baying. Eric, just how I'll send a core that will
| force the identity of this error message that's trying to get
| printed.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 290) Thu, Feb 09, 2006 - 7:51:31 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, if you see error #64, just press any key -- that's not realy an
| error, that's the code to exceute a $roura$.bat but it calls all the
| same code that a real error does.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 291) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 3:30:06 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    you didn't send complete info with this core 5g error trapping....
| I had to go searching in core.exe for keyword name and I had to switch
| ip number usage to even get arachne working.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  292) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 3:38:55 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,        I ran Google search and Arachne locked up...256 bytes read.
| functrac.log last line displayed:
|   STACK: 48F6 FILE: MISC.C      LINE: 239  COUNT: 236
|
| I presses "any key" and no error message....still locked up.....
| C-A-ESC  did not work.....I'm stuck with reboot....keyboard is dead.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 293) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 3:58:13 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I bet you are like a frustrated bloodhound.....your nose is
| probably wet and your drooling up a river!  <ggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   294) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 4:20:46 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,       Arachne is exhibiting a lot of strange behavior....momentary
| lockups....no error messages exhibited.   Now it has messed up my modem
| so it will not dial or initialize.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  295) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 4:32:10 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      The page downloading monitor in LL crnr is also not working right.
| page....doesn't show the bytes
| downloading.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  296) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 7:30:29 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| That's bizzare, it's the same as the most recent core with
| functrac enabled but with three extra messages inserted. It just
| doesn't make sence that it would have connection problems different
| from the most recent build. As previously, it should be 'keywords.cfg'.
| Do you see a message if you shell to DOS? It should report error 64.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 297) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 10:05:48 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    It's is not bizzare!  We have been using cores, etc. from the
| last 6 mo..  They have been requiring different keywords and different
| IP setups for each to run.  You know these things I hope because your
| setting them up but I am not psychic. They have to be spelled out
| with each core you send me or else I'm guessing and searching. If
| you introduce these differences then you must also introduce an
| explanation of the differences each time you send a core. I know
| it requires more work...for you and the tester,,,but that's the
| way it is...the more differences you want then the more work.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 298) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 10:12:49 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      Yes I get error 64 with ALT-E. I also get it at other times
| occasionally.  But, no error 64 with a Google search. Arachne locks up
| so it can't send out an error message.  Using C-A-ESC to unlock Arachne
| prevents any error message from displaying.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 299) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 10:22:20 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that this problem
| is caused because you have different default settings than glennmcc
| does in his cores.   This leads to multiple parameter differences
| which then causes enormous debugging troubles.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 300) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 10:58:09 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I just locked up on Google search....no error message on pressing
| enter....Then used C-A-ESC and got an error message: "Runtime overlay error"
| reboot required.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  301) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 11:45:08 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yeah, sorry again about the bad assumptions. New cores will use
| keywords.cfg from now on, old cores ... each could be different as
| we slog through this. Now, it should give an error message because
| I've intercepted program execution before the lockup, if you don't see
| a message, press any key regardless and see if that restores things
| to the previous behaviour. Could it be that sometimes you can see
| these messages and sometimes not? I remember Joe saying that my
| mail control display the '.ah!' file, didn't display on his machine
| at all, so this could be due to video card stuff. As to the 
| defaults, you are quite right, but who would have guessed this 
| problem would be so hard to figure out.
|
| However, this 'runtime' error is very serious, it shows a 
| basic flaw in things at the lowest level.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 302) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 12:15:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Last good core: 9k 09-03-05
| First bad core: 1g 10-07-05
|
| So I'll send build9q.zip 09-15-05 -- about half way between those,
| which narrows the gap to two weeks either way.
|
| As with 1g, this core uses stock files except for the included .bat.
| No keywords file needed. No tracing included. If she has the bug or not
| we're within a two week period so a solution can't be too far off.
| And, interestingly, this is about the time when I'm importing 
| code of Joes, so maybe Glenn is right about this, we'll soon see.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 303) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 1:13:19 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      Locked up with BUILD9q...no error message....C-A-ESC doesn't
| work....needs reset reboot.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  304) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 2:24:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Thanks. Oh, those older cores don't have the C A ESC feature yet.
| Let me see if I can see the offending change between those two
| builds, if not, I'll send one to split it in half again.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 305) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 2:53:51 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric, build9n in the wire. This is just after I removed all the CGA
| stuff, can't believe thats it but ...
|
| Support files identical to 9q, same .bat will work.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 306) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 3:15:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| CGA ???
|
| Joe would know the answer to this one better than I would.
|
| When you removed the CGA code from core.exe
|
| Would a new HIXLOV.LIB need to be built that also has CGA support removed ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 307) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 4:00:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| I don't think so, whatever CGA stuff is in there should just be
| ignored. Haven't had any video trouble here anyway, but it's just
| possible that that is what's bugging Eric, esp since he has had
| other video troubles -- but I don't think that's it. However, a CGA
| free core would *permit* the CGA code to be removed from the .lib
| if we knew someone who could do it. But my best guess is that
| I know what's wrong, but we'll wait for Eric's report on 9n.
| Na, I'll risk it: Around that time I did some butchery inside
| (you guessed it ... cgiquery.c ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 308) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 4:12:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ah ha... and of-course the form-submit stuff a google _does_ use cgiquery.c
|
| So you're right... that might be it.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 309) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 4:15:02 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| BTW,
|
| Did you see those last few messages on Coollist ?
|
| I'm trying an expermental 'new approach' to email downloads. ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 310) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 4:21:54 pm 
|
| ray>
| Look forward to seeing what you can come up with.
| As to the cgi, it that is indeed it, the big question will be
| why I have no trouble here, even using Eric's settup.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 311) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 4:47:56 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     BUILD(N.ZIP justb locked up on Google...256 bytes read...
| no error messages.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  312) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 4:54:54 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Try my 'experiment' ... see if it works OK with pop3 downloads.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/exprmntl.zip
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 313) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 4:59:05 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   It's a lot easier if you send the arachne.bat with the core
| 'cause remember this is a new setup every time and I have to go searching
| for it otherwise and make sure that it's the right one I'm using.
| It takes long enough as it is to setup one of these cores with all
| the changes to cfg, bat, keyword, etc. files that I have to do by hand.
| Especially when C-A-ESC doesn't work.   BTW, correction, Build(n==Build9n
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  314) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 5:33:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I'd try it but I can't do pop3 downloads with Arachne the
| last time I tried.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  315) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 6:01:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That's why I want you try my 'new approach'.
|
| Maybe _now_ you can. ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 316) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 6:04:49 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Ok then, 9k is good 9n is bad. That's close enough to nail this
| thing. Oh, just to set my heart at rest, please confirm 9k is 
| Ok. And I hear you vis. sending all needed files, why should you
| have to cobble them together? But God willing this ordeal is 
| nearing it's end.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 317) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 6:28:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Just now tested my experiment on a message sent to myself with a 3.8meg atta
| (total file size of rcvd CNM... 5.3meg)
|
| Test succeeded.
|
| --- pop3.log ---
| Asking domain name server for mail.cisnet.com ...
| +OK VOPmail POP3 Server-NOTF 4.5.186.0 Ready <15183688.1139620447.669@cisnet
| USER glennmcc
| PASS 
| +OK glennmcc's mailbox has 1 message(s) (5226312 octets)
| LIST 1
| +OK 1 5226312
| TOP 1 1000000
| +OK
| Return-path: <glennmcc@cisnet.com>
| Received: from nevermore.outofoptions.com (adsl-70-230-53-13.dsl.yntwoh.sbcg
| mail.cisnet.com
|  (Vircom SMTPRS 4.5.186) with ESMTP id <B0019911805@mail.cisnet.com> for <gl
|  Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:12:48 -0500
| Message-ID: <B0019911805@mail.cisnet.com>
| Received: from smtp107.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([68.142.229.98])
| by nevermore.outofoptions.com with smtp (Exim 4.60)
| (envelope-from <glennmcc@cisnet.com>)
| id 1F7jHT-0003iH-7W
| for glennmcc@cisnet.com; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:11:08 -0500
| Received: (qmail 75731 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2006 01:09:59 -0000
| Received: from unknown (HELO cisnet.com) (glennmcc@sbcglobal.net@64.108.116.
|   by smtp107.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2006 01:02:48 -0000
| From: "Glenn McCorkle" <glennmcc@cisnet.com>
| Organization: Arachne Fan Club
| Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:02:26 -0500
| X-Mailer: Arachne v1.90;GPL,386+
| To:
| Reply-To: glennmcc@cisnet.com
| Bcc: glennmcc@cisnet.com
| Subject:
| X-Encoding: MIME
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| X-Attachment-Processor: Insight 4.2;ML
| Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=MIME-multipart-message-boundary-1139
|
| * This message is in MIME format.
|
| --MIME-multipart-message-boundary-1139619746
| Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
| Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
|
| --
|  Glenn
|  http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
|  http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
|  http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html
|
| --MIME-multipart-message-boundary-1139619746
| Content-Type: application/zip ;name=aliens.zip
| Content-ID: arachne-namespace/g:\doom\aliens.zip
| Content-Description: File "aliens.zip" (type application/zip, size 3723 KB)
| Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
|
| UEsDBBQAAgAIAEyAIR3EQK4Eqyo6AHXCcgAKAAAAQUxJRU5TLldBRLx9eWAV1dn+OTc3G6AE
| ZVO2i6yKAyEBQUAY9qAhxBB2hSuooAhG3FBcRlRA1iiiuGHUanGrcceleq1WoVaNtm7Vamy1
| pa2WWKtNyHK/55z3PXNnucmv3/fH78JkzjPP+55tzvKeM2fmlM6bOOXcqBAPLlgjMpLDhBBS
| ZIv8aKxRiD9lZ4t40m4S4gftSrCrVNY18zWhXJ/BVatdX8JV5bqgAV++hSvhuuIi5ao6zGxL
| ymXYuoy6eiEyVVyEiosKrS6ZctUeJle+cF3utbqWlMto5Lu6eclquD6BKybIJUVepCopxNEI
|
| <snip>
|
| zc3Nzc27DQogILogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgVEhJUyBaSVAgRklMRSBXQVMgTUFERSBCWSBH
| TEVOTiBNQ0NPUktMRSAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgug0KICDIzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3N
| zc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3N
| zbwNCho=
| --MIME-multipart-message-boundary-1139619746--
|
| .
| DELE 1
| +OK message 1 deleted
| Closing connection...
| +OK cisnet.com POP3 server signing off (mailbox empty)
| ________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 318) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 6:58:48 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Confirmed,  Build9k.zip (Arachne 183:B-6) works doing a Google
| search....NO lockup!  I'm sending this with Build9k.zip files._
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 319) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 7:02:05 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  Does build9k.zip work for you in my setup....if not I can
| send the files I have to use/change to you.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 320) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 7:13:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yup, it's fine, but then so are cores that don't work for you.
| Try the one I just sent and it might just be the one, there 
| is an iffy variable move I made there that results in that variable
| being reset to zero inside a loop. It's that or CGA almost for sure.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 321) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 7:14:34 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| How do you get the DELE executed without a QUIT?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 322) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 7:15:45 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Downloading with pop3 from my juno mailserver Ray's
| 245K email with zipped core attached using your experimental core.
| It worked fine!
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  323) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 7:23:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| re: dele without quit.
|
| I _did_ send 'QUIT'
|
| DELE 1
| +OK message 1 deleted
| Closing connection... <--- message resulting after sending 'QUIT'
|
| --- in popget.c ---
| //!!glennmcc: begin Sep 10, 2001
| // (changed from 'str' to 'MSG_CLOSE' to reflect "QUIT" message sent)
|     if(log!=-1)
|     {
|      write(log,MSG_CLOSE,strlen(MSG_CLOSE));
|      write(log,"\r\n",2);
|     }
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
| ___________________
|
|
| -- in messages.h ---
|
| #define MSG_CLOSE  "Closing connection..."
| _____________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 324) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 7:24:20 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Sorry, it doesn't work!  I just tried build9n!.zip core and it
| locked up on Google search....I downloaded the search page from cache
| OK that was in the cache from a previous search....but....when I deleted
| that page from the cache and tried again Arachne locked up. (256 bytes read)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  325) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 7:25:17 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| re: post 322
|
| YES !!! :))
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 326) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 7:28:28 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     I mis-spoke before....I can't send email with Arachne...
| I download email all the time with pop3.  I used to get aborts but not
| with the newer cores.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  327) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 7:33:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| What happens when you _try_ to send via SMTP ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 328) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 7:38:16 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Does your ISP require Authenticated SMTP ?
|
| If so...
|
| Do you have your correct AuthSMTP username and password set via opt_pers.ah 
| (Options/Personal settings)
|
| note...
| Your AuthSMTP username/password combo might be different from those used
| for POP3.
|
| Mine are different.
|
| For POP3... username == glennmcc
| For AuthSMTP... username == glennmcc@cisnet.com
| (same password for both)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 329) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 7:41:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Same situation at SBC account.
|
| POP3 username == glennmcc1959
| AuthSMTP username == glennmcc@sbcglobal.net
| (same password for both)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 330) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 7:43:44 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| In addition to setting the correct username/password on opt_pers.ah
|
| You must also 'enable' the use of AuthSMTP via opt_net.ah
| (Options/Internet settings)
|
| X Use Authenticated SMTP
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 331) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 8:34:39 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I just tried smtp and failed...here is the address
| in the URL box: smtp://:25/MAIL\139628612.TBS 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 332) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 8:42:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Did you setup AuthSMTP ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 333) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 8:43:40 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    here's what is sent...
|
| smtp://wildrice5@juno.com:xxxx@mail.juno.com:25/MAIL
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  334) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 8:44:19 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Nuts, I thought that one would bag it. But we are close just the
| same, build9l  comming, let's narrow it down some more.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 335) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 8:45:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Pardon me, I forgot that I have the QUIT command echoed to the log
| as well. Not seeing it I thought it wasn't activeated. Bugs me that
| the other commands are echoed verbatim but not that one.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 336) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 8:45:59 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,      xxxx in post#333 is my password
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  337) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 8:53:32 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Do you have this box 'checked' over on Options/Internet settings ?
|
| X Use Authenticated SMTP
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 338) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 8:55:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Do you have both of these fields filled-in over on Options/Personal settings
|
| Authenticated SMTP username          Authenticated SMTP password
| (Required even if = login username)  (Required even if = login password)
| ___________________________________  __________________________________
| ___________________________________  __________________________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 339) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 8:56:09 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    yes, it is in arachne.cfg
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  340) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 8:57:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| If 'Yes' to all of the above....
|
| Try changing the AuthSMTP username to your full email address just like
| both of my accounts require.
|
| Authenticated SMTP username          Authenticated SMTP password
| (Required even if = login username)  (Required even if = login password)
| ___________________________________  __________________________________
|
| wildrice5@juno.com                    *****
| ___________________________________  __________________________________
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 341) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 8:58:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| If it's already that way... try dropping the '@juno.com'
|
| Authenticated SMTP username          Authenticated SMTP password
| (Required even if = login username)  (Required even if = login password)
| ___________________________________  __________________________________
| wildrice5                            *****
| ___________________________________  __________________________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 342) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 8:58:52 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  yes, I follow directions....Ich bin ein gut soldat...Hiel!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  343) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:00:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| SMTP server  (port 25 - outgoing mail) ___________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 344) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:01:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| What's that setting ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 345) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:05:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| According the info I can find via google, these are the correct settings.
|
| POP3 server (port 110 - incoming mail) pop.juno.com
| SMTP server (port 25 - outgoing mail)  smtp.juno.com
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 346) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:12:20 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| There is also the possibility that Juno does not support AuthSMTP
|
| If such is the case.. then attempting to use it will result in a failed
| attempt to send.
|
| Therefore if none of the above work... turn off AuthSMTP by unchecking
| that box on Options/Internet settings.
|
| There is yet another methode that some SMTP servers are setup to use.
|
| You must first do a POP3 download of email and then do SMTP within the
| allotted timespan. (most times 5min)
|
| So.... do POP3 and then try sending (with AuthSMTP turned off)
|
| That's the reason for that commented-out setting in arachne.cfg
|
| ;AfterPOP3 SMTP
|
| By uncommenting that line... all mail wainting to be sent is instantly
| sent upon completion of POP3 download.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 347) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:15:57 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,       Did you see this string I posted before?
|  
| smtp://wildrice5@juno.com:xxxx@mail.juno.com:25/MAIL
|
| 1.  I can't tell if there is anything after MAIL(end of box)
| 2.  wildrice5@juno.com  is the first parameter even if it is only wildrice5 
| smtpAUTHname
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  348) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:19:05 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  You do remember that you went thru all this before with me
| and decided that Juno sucks as far as smtp is concerned.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  349) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:21:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ah ha !!!
|
| Do you have a 'Premium' or 'Turbo' account ???
|
| http://www.juno.com/support/email/auto-configure.html  Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:1
|
| | | Important note for Free Juno members: To   |
| | | take advantage of offline email clients    |
| | | such as Microsoft Outlook, you must        |
| | | upgrade to a Platinum or Turbo account.    |
| | | Click here to upgrade today.               |
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 350) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:23:32 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I just tried getting to smtp.juno.com via telnet.
|
| No go.
|
| She no workie unless you have a premium or turbo account and if so.. you
| must be dialed into and logged onto the Juno network.
|
| Only then is SMTP available.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 351) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:27:24 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I am not sure of the acct. name/type but I pay for it.
| Pop3 works fine with my acct...free accts will not allow pop3.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  352) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:27:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| This is now the exact same limitaion that NetZero instituted a couple of
| years ago.
|
| 1st they elimminated the use of SMTP on free accounts unless you were
| dialed into and logged onto the NetZero network.
|
| Next, they eliminated SMTP all-together from the free accounts.
|
| Now they have alos elimnated pop3 from all free accounts.
|
| All email for free accounts must now be done via the 'web interface'
| at .......  mail.netzero.net
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 353) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:28:15 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep... pop3 works fine... smtp does not.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 354) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:31:37 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I can only get smtp to work with Juno propietary software
| which of course is W$doze based.   Since I can't see what they're sending
| I can't try to duplicate it with Insight.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  355) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:37:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep... that confirms my susspicion.
|
| SMTP only works when you are dialed into and logged onto the Juno network.
|
| And of-course, you can't dial into and log onto the Juno network
| using any other program than the Junop software you just mentioned.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 356) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:39:53 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| BTW,
|
| No matter what you can or can't see while using the Juno software....
|
| You never will duplicate it with insight because insight don't do
| it... core do it.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/core-ins.txt
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 357) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:45:51 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    You never commented on why the 1st parameter doesn't
| change in the smtp address even when "@juno.com" is dropped from
| arachne.cfg    smtpAUTHname
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   358) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:50:03 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc, I've read that many times before.....but Insight does more
| or less provide the forms and therefore the data for the core to work
| with.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  359) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:54:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| No... she don't.....
|
| The forms are located permanantly on or HDDs or RamDrives.
|
| arachne_main\reply.htp
| arachne_main\resend.htp
| arachne_main\system\gui\sendmail.ah
| arachne_main\system\gui\sendfile.ah
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 360) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:54:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Insight does not do it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 361) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:55:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to the stuff on the URL line not changeing.
|
| That's a bug which I intend to fix.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 362) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 11:25:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    You sound like the lady employee in the store I frequent.
| She told me it was Pres. Bush's fault that the store had to cut her hours
| and that the customer base had shrunk.  It had nothing to do with the
| other big grocery stores that had moved in and lured away their customers
| with better service and competative prices. Well, Ive been shopping at that 
| let me tell you, I've watched the decline
| personally and she ought to be looking at reasons closer to home.
| I am not arguing, if you say it's the core then it's the core. The only reas
| see the mailing part of Arachne referred to as Insight on the list.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  363) Fri, Feb 10, 2006 - 11:30:00 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   You, understandably, look at things from a programmer's
| perspective.....while.....some of us look at things from a user's
| perspective. <ggg>
|  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   364) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 11:10:49 am 
|
| ray>
| And we programmers must never forget that the latter is the more
| important of the two.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 365) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 1:31:17 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Are you waiting for any feedback from me?
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  366) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 2:40:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Fine... have it your way. <gggg>
|
| You da' user... you da' boss. ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 367) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 5:18:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yes, standing here, rope around my neck on a rickety chair waiting
| for results of build9l. 9k is good, 9n is bad. 9l is the last one
| before the CGA was removed. If 9l is ok, I'm safe from it being
| CGA, otherwise ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 368) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 5:21:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| And even if I don't hang myself, I'll go nuts trying to figure out
| why CGA code has the effect of interferring with a second 'hidden'
| tag on the Google page in such a way that it can't be duplicated
| here. The god's can be cruel.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 369) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 7:20:05 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      Core from BUILD9L.ZIP causes a lockup on a Google search.
| 256 bytes read...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  370) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 7:28:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Thanks, that's a small mercy -- no CGA involved. So 9k good 9l
| bad, that should about nail it.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 371) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 7:35:58 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      Why didn't you give me 9l right away.....it would have
| saved a lot of time! <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  372) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 7:45:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hmmm,
|
| It seems that this method would have been quicker after-all. <gggg>
|
| 21) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 4:43:55 pm 
| glennmcc>
| I suggest that you begin 'going backward' starting with the most recent
| compile in-which you remember that these problems _do_ exist.
|
| 22) Thu, Feb 02, 2006 - 4:45:20 pm 
| glennmcc>
| Actually..... start 'one back' from that point.
| (no need cheacking again with one that you already
|  know has the problem) <g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 373) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 7:50:55 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK, enough joking.
|
| So Ray,
|
| What change(s) were made in 9l vs 9k that might be causing this ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 374) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 7:52:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Are the change(s) where you suspected ?
|
| ie: cgiquery.c ???
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 375) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 7:57:11 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Here's my current itteration of the only recent change I made in cgiquery.c
|
| And of-course, this only effects the <select> tag, nothing else.
|
| //!!glennmcc: Jan 11, 2006 -- if value="" ... value=(blank)
|  if(strlen(ptr)==1 && i==0) strcpy(p->buf,"\0"); else
| //!!glennmcc: end
|   makestr(p->buf,ie_getline(&tmpeditor,i+1),BUF);
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 376) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 8:00:42 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   NO, you're mistaken.....Ray's naming system has you
| confuzzled......9K was last september and 9L was the next going
| up.... not backwards.  So...if he started up from 9K we would have
| found it on the first try. <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 377) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 8:05:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| re 371, with hindsight that's quite true but when you're hunting
| in the dark the half-half-half method is the most logical, when
| your luck is as bad as it can be, the dividing line is -- as in this
| case -- right next to one of the starting end points. It's easy to
| see that if that's the case, the number of searches is at it's 
| greatest.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 378) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 8:11:40 pm 
|
| ray>
| There's the CGI rewrite, but I restored that and sent to Eric
| yesterday with no luck. 
|
| There's your redirection hang, where if the redirection time is
| < 5 it's bumped back up to 60
|
| <:-(
|
| It is't that surely to God.
| There's a message that shows the pending redirection no?
| And I don't have to wait.
|
| Other than that, there's a new function that combines 
| sprintf() and write() where needed.
|
| Eric, a half and half core on the way. Call it build 1.
| I predict it will be ok.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 379) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 8:19:10 pm 
|
| ray>
| Just sent,
|
| the redirection hang is removed, the CGI is from 9k (no hang)
| the new function is in place but only used once or twice where
| it shouldn't do any harm. So It damned better work.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 380) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 8:36:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| My redirection hang.... _MY_ redirection hang ????
|
| Don't tell me you're still using that piece of crap hack that I made
| when even I scrapped that and went with Joe's 'tons better' method.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 381) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 9:00:40 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,       IT SUCKS.....Boy am I getting tired of reinstalling/adapting
| Arachne....my neck hurts.....It locked up.....256 bytes read....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 382) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 9:15:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yep, that's the one. I guess we don't really have a protocol
| for removing old-new stuff do we? I import it, and it just stays 
| there even when you've removed it.
|
| Eric,
|
| I know this must be one heck of an ordeal for you, worse than for
| me even, since you have to reinstal with every crash but it
| cant be much longer, it's down to one function.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 383) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 9:16:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW, Glenn, that's the reason I like to stay about two releases
| behind you -- so that I know you like what you've got. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 384) Sat, Feb 11, 2006 - 10:28:28 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ok, it's either an overflow with the write function or CGI stuff,
| but build9n! had the old, good CGI stuff and it was fine, so 
| it must be the write function. 
|
| Eric, next one is back to the recent cores, so you'll be able to
| break out if it hangs, no tracing included. If she hangs it
| *must* be the CGI stuff, that's all that's left, just one function.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 385) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 3:01:40 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I'll believe it when it's fixed....<gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 386) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 7:51:33 am 
|
| Eric>
| Hey Guys,   Do you know the function of these hidden inputs
| on Google?  Maybe they are something we wish were not there.
| When removed they don't seem to affect the search.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 387) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:43:25 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Last one still bad? Oh, and I share your sceptisism on one level,
| but on another, I believe that eventualy logic must prevail, I don't
| believe in voodoo so there must be a *reason* for all this, and
| I intend to find it.
|
| Speaking of hidden inputs, you don't suppose this is more funny
| buissiness with carnivore do ya? Another difference between 9k and 9k
| is a change in the version string but I haven't even considered that
| as a possibility.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 388) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:50:19 am 
|
| ray>
| Version ID with 9k: Arachne 183:B-6
|            with 9l: Arachne 183:B6:9L
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 389) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:53:43 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,       I don't understand what good the trace log is if it 
| doesn't point to the problem!  If you actually trace a program's
| flow it has to point to the problem.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 390) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 10:31:32 am 
|
| ray>
| Mornin' Eric,
|
| It often does point to the problem but perhaps not in the way you 
| might think. The problem can actually occur many function calls
| upstream from the function where the hang or crash happens. 
| I've found tracing to be invaluable in several situations. The big
| problem here is the fact that I can't dupicate this Google thing, so
| -- what with different ISP's, countries, machines, etc. -- and with
| the fact that I don't get the problem, the trace is not a perfect
| map.
|
| So the last one I sent still has the trouble? If so, I'll send
| one with the CGI code and version ID restored, and after that we're 
| stumped because there's nothing left.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 391) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 11:15:40 am 
|
| ray>
| Ah, but there is one thing left: I have your settup, but not
| your memory. Eric, please send me a 'mem/c' screen cap. I'll try to
| duplicate your memory, maybe you've got less than my 486 and so
| something happens that's different.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 392) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 11:39:06 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     It's not my memory......glennmcc's core works so it 
| can't be my memory....all I need to do to get it to work is
| use glennmcc's core in your setup.  Nothing else is changed
| except the cores.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 393) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 11:46:20 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Why do you keep complicating things.....if glennmcc's
| core works and yours doesn't then the problem is in the core.
| Your core is doing something with the URL info from Google
| that glennmcc's core does differently.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 394) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 11:52:02 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Maybe glennmcc's core ignores those "input hidden" tags
| since Google works with out them.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 395) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 12:02:40 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I think you should be comparing the difference between
| glennmcc's core and yours.  You say that you don't hang with "my
| setup".  Then, you don't have my setup. This can't be anything to
| do with a difference in computers since glennmcc's core works. It
| has to be caused by a difference in how your core handles that URL.
| That difference could be caused by a difference in source code or
| a difference in what you have picked for defaults.  So, you should 
| be able to duplicate the problem. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 396) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 12:38:29 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I just started a mail download, then I saw big emails
| so I aborted the mail download.  Then I tried to download my
| email with Juno software and it said I had no emails.  
| so...I tried to log onto my email by web-mail internet logon....
| I was given a message that another program was accessing my email
| so I couldn't log on.  I then tried Arachne again and it now said
| I had no emails. I went back webmail page and now I could log in.
| It seems that Arachne did something to tie up my email when I aborted
| the download. Trying to get email again with Arachne then released
| my email box and let me see my email on the web.  Is there a release
| code that Arachne may be failing to send when a download is aborted?
| I was using glennmcc's 1.89 when this happened. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 397) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 12:51:47 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| It's not quite that simple. Sure the problem originates in my core,
| but what causes the problem is questionable. Arachne does different
| things with different amounts of memory and it's not impossible 
| that the same core would behave differently with memory changes.
| So many problems are interactive in nature and I think this is one
| of those. It isn't likely to be memory, but it would be good to make
| sure.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 398) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 1:23:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| These are the <input ... tags from google.
|
| <input type=hidden name=hl value=en>
| (sets the language to English) [hidden so that it is unchangable by the visi
|
| <input type=hidden name=ie value="ISO-8859-1">
| (sets the character set to iso-8859-1) [hidden so that it is unchangable by 
|
| <input maxlength=2048 size=55 name=q value="" title="Google Search">
| (the actual search string text input field)
|
| <input type=submit value="Google Search" name=btnG>
| (the 'normal' search button)
|
| <input type=submit value="I'm Feeling Lucky" name=btnI>
| (the 'lucky' search button)
|
| That's it... it's that simple.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 399) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 1:29:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| As to the email account being 'in use' by another program.
|
| When we hit ESC to abort a pop3 download..... the 'QUIT' command does
| not get received correctly by some pop3 servers.
|
| That's due to the fact that some sefvers will not accept commands until
| after a pre-configued 'time-out' has elapsed from the ESC to the sending
| of the 'QUIT' command.
|
| If this happens again that you decide to abort a pop3 download.
|
| Things will probably go correctly by simply waiting 10min before trying
| the download again.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 400) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 3:17:07 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      If my memory is causing a problem then it will be a
| problem for many other users since there is nothing unusal about
| my memory. Therefore, your core has to be fixed so the problem
| doesn't exist. But as you have already seen from previous mem /c 
| files I have sent you that memory has never been a problem except
| with your settings in the arachne.cfg file for gifs which you set
| way too high for the usual vintage machine. I always reduce those
| settings to avoid problems.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 401) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 3:35:36 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I know what the tags are in Google causing the
| problem....I can't speak for Ray tho'. I'm not even sure that
| any specific tag is the problem eg. maybe just too many tags.
| Since I know NOT how Arachne/the core processes/parses the 
| URL address, then I don't know the specific cause but since
| the address doesn't look too long it probably isn't the
| length....however, it could be if those tag parameters
| are converted to long strings internally. I am just
| positive if either "input hidden" tag is removed then Ray's
| core does NOT hang.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 402) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 3:39:14 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   BTW, thanks for the info on the email abort....I figured
| that was about how things were working....I just thought I better
| let you know just in case it was a bug that needed attention.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 403) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 3:46:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| But I do see those 'hidden' tags, all of 'em. With your core too.
| I like your line of thought tho, it would be interesting to see
| if any reduction in length prevented the hang, that would prove that
| it is length related, not due to any specific tag.
|
| Eric,
|
| You are right, but given that my core uses so much less memory, 
| it could be doing something internaly that it would otherwise 
| shell out for, this happens quite a bit, so getting my memory 
| exactly the same as yours would be helpful. Be a sport and sent
| that mem/c so I can try it.
|
| Oh, Glenn, when is makehttfilename() used? The temporary buffer there
| is 4 * URLSIZE, rather big. I have a 'beep' in there right now
| but it don't sound, when is it used?
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 404) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 3:48:07 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  Right now I have 114K free DOS memory...1500KB free xSwap.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 405) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 3:48:54 pm 
|
| ray>
| And as far as URL's go, I get the same URL on the line regardless of
| the core in use. There's a funny extra tag "&lr=" that only shows up
| if you press the search button on the results page, but I figure that's
| not important.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 406) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 3:51:19 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric, thanks, Hmmm, I have 262K free, that will allow things to
| execute internaly that you would have to shell out for (it's 
| automatic, you won't notice it). Let me just choke the 486 down
| and see what happens.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 407) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 3:53:08 pm 
|
| ray>
| Where's Gregy?
|
| Got to draft him into testing all this.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 408) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 3:57:18 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Here it is....I want NO comments on how I have things loaded, 
| Kapish?
|
|
| Modules using memory below 1 MB:
|
|   Name           Total           Conventional       Upper Memory
|   --------  ----------------   ----------------   ----------------
|   MSDOS       18,064   (18K)     18,064   (18K)          0    (0K)
|   HIMEM        1,120    (1K)      1,120    (1K)          0    (0K)
|   SETVER         832    (1K)        832    (1K)          0    (0K)
|   RAMDRIVE     1,440    (1K)      1,440    (1K)          0    (0K)
|   IFSHLP       2,864    (3K)      2,864    (3K)          0    (0K)
|   COMMAND      7,568    (7K)      7,568    (7K)          0    (0K)
|   SMARTDRV    29,024   (28K)     29,024   (28K)          0    (0K)
|   LSPPP       28,624   (28K)     28,624   (28K)          0    (0K)
|   COMMAND      8,032    (8K)      8,032    (8K)          0    (0K)
|   Free       557,456  (544K)    557,456  (544K)          0    (0K)
|
| Memory Summary:
|
|   Type of Memory       Total         Used          Free
|   ----------------  -----------   -----------   -----------
|   Conventional          655,360        97,904       557,456
|   Upper                       0             0             0
|   Reserved              393,216       393,216             0
|   Extended (XMS)     24,117,248    17,551,360     6,565,888
|   ----------------  -----------   -----------   -----------
|   Total memory       25,165,824    18,042,480     7,123,344
|
|   Total under 1 MB      655,360        97,904       557,456
|
|   Largest executable program size         556,928   (544K)
|   Largest free upper memory block               0     (0K)
|   MS-DOS is resident in the high memory area.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 409) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 3:58:52 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I think Gregy is playing it smart and laying low! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 410) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 4:02:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| In the military you have to learn how to protect your own ass from
| unnecessary danger, that's for sure ;-)
|
| Well that ain't it, I'm running now on top of Borland with 100528 ?
| bytes free and Google works fine.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 411) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 4:10:38 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   WE already know that it is at least not tag specific between
| either of the "input hidden" tags.  Remove either one and it works.
| Which in my mind makes a concealed/hidden length problem a distinct
| possibility.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 412) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 4:15:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep, I figured you had already seen the hidden tags themselves.
|
| Just wanted top clarify exactly what they are doing.
|
| For further clarification, here's the resulting URL due to their use.
|
| http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO%2D8859%2D1&q=hello&btnG=Google%20S
| _____________________________^^^^^<-- hidden tag for language
|
| http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO%2D8859%2D1&q=hello&btnG=Google%20S
| ___________________________________^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<-- hidden tag for chara
|
| http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO%2D8859%2D1&q=hello&btnG=Google%20S
| _____________________________________________________^^^^^^^<-- visible tag 
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 413) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 4:19:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Resulting URL from the same search but with both hidden tags removed.
|
| http://www.google.com/search?q=hello&btnG=Google%20Search
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 414) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 4:19:06 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   The way it see things, arachne hangs as soon as it performs
| the reading of the URL......nothing else is done...there appears to
| be no attempt to process and send the search parameters.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 415) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 4:20:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That's the only difference.
|
| The URL simply does not contain.... hl=en&ie=ISO%2D8859%2D1&
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 416) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 4:21:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
| I'm on my way right now to look for further info on makehttfilename()
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 417) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 4:21:40 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| See if you can cut something else out and still get some useful contact
| with Google. I'm working now with 117K free under command.com and
| all's well with Google. 
|
| Hey, what happens if you try google.ca ? That's what I'm always 
| redirected to, seems unlikely to be the problem but it is something
| that's different up here.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 418) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 4:22:07 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Tx.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 419) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 4:23:32 pm 
|
| ray>
| Time for my nappie-by.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 420) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 4:27:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| This section in http.c writes the 'page info' to the .HTT file.
| (we can view this info with the '=' key after the page has loaded)
|
|   strcpy(cache->rawname,cache->locname);
|   if(!user_interface.nohtt)
|   {
|    makehttfilename(cache->rawname,httfile);
|    htt=a_fast_open(httfile,O_BINARY|O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC,S_IREAD|S_IWRIT
|    if(htt!=-1)
|    {
|     char *pom=farmalloc(4*URLSIZE);
|     if(!pom)
|      memerr();
|
|     sprintf(pom,"<TITLE>%s %s</TITLE><PRE>\n",MSG_HTTP,cache->URL);
|     write(htt,pom,strlen(pom));
|
|     write(htt,p->buf,count);
|
|     ptr=strrchr(cache->locname,'\\');
|     if(ptr)
|      ptr++;
|     else
|      ptr=cache->locname;
|     sprintf(pom,"\
| </PRE>\n<HR>URL: <A HREF=\"%s\">%s</A><br>\n\
| Local: <A HREF=\"file:%s\">%s</A><HR>\n\
| ",cache->URL,cache->URL,ptr,cache->locname);
|
|     write(htt,pom,strlen(pom));
|
|     farfree(pom);
|     a_close(htt);
|    }//end if htt opened
|   }//end if disable .HTT files
|  }
|  //otevreni souboru kam zapisu vlastni prenaseny soubor
|  // tr.: open the file where I am going to write my own transferred file
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 421) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 4:28:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| = key on this page.........
|
| Page information for http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/ctst/ctsindex...Arachne v
| file:\arachne\cache\headers\39786756.htt               Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:2
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
|
| HTTP/1.1 200 OK
| Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:27:37 GMT
| Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Unix) mod_mono/1.0.2 mod_jk/1.2.14 mod_auth_passthrou
| X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.11
| Connection: close
| Content-Type: text/html
|
| ============================================================================
|
| URL: http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/ctst/ctsindex.php
| Local: \arachne\cache\39786756.HTM
| ============================================================================
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 422) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 4:29:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| = and then = again ......
|
|                                                                    Arachne v
| file:\ARACHNE\CACHE\HEADERS\39786756.fil               Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:2
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
|
|  Volume in drive L is MS-RAMDRIVE
|  Directory of  L:\ARACHNE\CACHE\HEADERS
|
| 39786756 HTT      597  2-12-06  6:28p
|         1 File(s)  98072576 bytes free
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 423) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 4:32:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| While viewing this page while running Ray's core....
| does the = key show you the page info ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 424) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 4:33:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Of-course with this option on opt_net.ah _not_ checked.
|
| Disable caching of HTTP headers (faster) 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 425) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 5:01:39 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     What are you looking for with "=" pressed?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 426) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 5:29:01 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Do you get the 'page info' as shown in post 421 ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 427) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 5:30:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Or do you simply get something like this ?
|
|  Volume in drive L is MS-RAMDRIVE
|  Directory of  L:\ARACHNE\CACHE
|
| 39790578 HTM     9100  2-12-06  7:29p
|         1 File(s)  98160640 bytes free
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 428) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 6:16:39 pm 
|
| ray>
| It works here but I had to create the \headers subdir by hand.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 429) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 6:18:53 pm 
|
| ray>
|
| Page information for http://www.google.com/webhp            Arachne 1.85:B6-
| file:X:\ARACHNE\headers\39775881.htt                   Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:2
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
|
| HTTP/1.0 200 OK
| Cache-Control: private
| Content-Type: text/html
| Server: GWS/2.1
| Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:17:01 GMT
| Connection: Close
|
| ====================================================
|
| URL: http://www.google.com/webhp
| Local: X:\ARACHNE\39775881.HTM
| ====================================================
|
|
| That's what I get for Google.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 430) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 6:43:41 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ah HA !!!!
|
| Since you did not have a cache\headers subdir.....
|
| You should be getting a 'can't create file' error.
|
| That code in http.c tries to open a new file in that subdir.
|
| No subdir == file creation error.
|
| At-least that's the way it _should_ be working.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 431) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 6:45:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| BTW,
|
| What happened to the headers subdir that was created when you initially
| installed Arachne from the 'release package' ???
|
| That subdir gets created automatically upon running the SFX
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 432) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 6:58:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:"is 4 * URLSIZE, rather big."
|
|
| Since when is 2k "rather big" ??? <ggg>
|
|
| ---------- e:picinfo.h
| #define URLSIZE 512 //(GPL version)
|
| ---------- e:url.h
| #define URLSIZE 512 //(GPL version)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 433) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 7:41:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Yeah I got the appropriate error ok. dunno what happened to the 
| subdir, I might have deleted it long time ago just to see what 
| would happen. As to the 2K buffer, it's no problem I was just
| wondering what formated string would be that large. The Writesf()
| function I've mentioned uses one built in buffer for all, so it's
| gotta be big enough for whatever gets thrown at it. I had set too 
| small but that seems not to be eric's problem either.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 434) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 7:50:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep, I figgered as much.
|
| And as to why the 4*urlsize.
|
| That's so that we can get the entire header of a page 'in one chunk'.
|
| Very, very unlikely that any page is going to have header info that's >2k
|
| But 1k might not be enough for some pages and we'de need to save 1k +
| another small chunk.
|
| 2k ought to be enough for anyone <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 435) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 7:53:03 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But... we might be on the right track.
|
| Since the lockup is happening at 256bytes read....
|
| It seems to be locking up while grabbing the header.
| (or very shortly afterward)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 436) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 7:56:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| If it's at 256 bytes of the page itself..........
|
| <html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
| charset=ISO-8859-1"><title>Google</title><style><!--
| body,td,a,p,.h{font-family:arial,sans-serif;}
| .h{font-size: 20px;}
| .q{color:#0000cc;}
| //-->
| </style>
| <script>
| <!--
| function sf(){document.f.q.focus();}
| _______________________^<--- 256 bytes read of the page itself
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 437) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 7:57:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Do you have IJS enabled ?
|
| IgnoreJS Yes
|
| If so... please try again with Ray's core but with IJS disabled.
|
| IgnoreJS No
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 438) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 8:07:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Also try it both with and without CSS enabled.
|
| If the 256 byte point is the header info + the 1st little bit of thew
| page.......
|
| <html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
| charset=ISO-8859-1"><title>Google</title><style><!--
| ____________________________________________________<-- 256
|
| That's where CSS 'comes into play'.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 439) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 8:36:43 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Here's another little test.
|
| Place the cursor on the URL above and then hold the CTRL key while you press
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 440) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 8:38:00 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Now shell to DOS with Alt+E and see if the entire google page is in your cac
|
| (that-is... if it does not lock-up on you)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 441) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 8:39:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Filesize should be 2522 bytes.
|
|
|  Volume in drive L is MS-RAMDRIVE
|  Directory of  L:\ARACHNE\CACHE
|
| 39801908 HTM     2522  2-12-06 10:38p
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 442) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 8:41:41 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Guys,    I don't have IJS enabled and I tried with and without CSS.....
| still got hang.   One time I put in 5 search words and I didn't get
| "256 bytes read" but got "~|" instead.  Now it just plain locked up
| but I'm not surprized.  After so many lockups the xSwap/memory had to be
| all screwed up.   
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  443) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 8:47:42 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Guys,   According to post#429 Ray's "headers" subdirectory is
| in the wrong place.   The headers subdirectory should be off the "cache".
| eg. x:\arachne\cache\headers     not  x:\arachne\headers
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   444) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 8:51:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Good catch Eric.
|
| I assume _yours_ is correct. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 445) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 8:52:51 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   If that is where your HEADERS subdirectory is then that proves
| that your setup is NOT the same as mine.<ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  446) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 8:53:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But have a look at this. (also in post 429)
|
| Local: X:\ARACHNE\39775881.HTM
|
| Ray,
|
| Do you have your 'arachne_main' directory set as your cache directory ????
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 447) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 8:58:27 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     Yes, Ray does because he screwed up my setup here
| if you will recall when I tried to use his arachne.cfg that he sent
| me along with a core.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  448) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:01:14 pm 
|
| Eric>
| That proves it.....Ray is not following my directions and so he
| doesn't have my setup. He's a very bad pupil.  Get out the
| dunce cap and the stool.....into the corner.....face the wall. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  449) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:01:42 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hmmm,
|
| Curiouser and curiouser. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 450) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:04:22 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| What happens for ya' with Ctrl+Enter on the link in post 439 ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 451) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:06:25 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Goes to prove.....one just can't teach an old dog new tricks. <ggg>
| I guess it's time for Ray to go out to the kelp beds in his diving
| waters and wrap up in the kelp, along with his otter buddies, and
| take some R&R.   <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  452) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:16:39 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Yes,   CTRL-ENTER on URL link puts the entire 
| Google page in my cache. <ggg> So what does that mean?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 453) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:18:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| No, he doesen't! my cache is X:\ARACHNE\
|
| And Eric, I have your .cfg values, don't claim to be using your
| autoexec.bat or config.sys etc. etc. I don't think that's possible,
| all I have is your .cfg values right? 
|
| However, Glenn may be on to something: I changed 'nohtt' to 'keephtt'
| because I have a fanatical hatred of ansering yes to a no question.
| 'Yes, I *don't* want htt is to me a very bad question -- but 
| nevermind, it's default is YES and in Eric's .cfg it is set to
| YES by default. Which would mean that it would try to write.
| Now, the previous size of the buffer in Writesf() was indeed 256,
| however, the last recent core I sent to Eric was 1024 so that
| seems not very promising.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 454) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:19:26 pm 
|
| ray>
| On my machine, it is YES as well, but until just now, I didn't have
| the correct directory so where were those files? 
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 455) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:22:46 pm 
|
| ray>
| Were they written to x:\arachne or not written at all? If not
| written at all, then a buffer overflow there wouldn't have been
| noticed. Sound logical? Let me just shrink that buffer again 
| and now that I have the subdir in place like a good boy ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 456) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:23:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Guys,   I don't understand why we're looking at the page header....
| I thought the search button started a reading of the entry box
| where the search words are typed.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 457) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:28:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| YES!
|
| With the subdir gone, the 256 buffer is fine -- it can't write
| and doesn't even try. With the subdir in place ... it's the most
| beautiful thing I ever saw:
|
| 256 bytes read
|
| And a nice, hang :-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 458) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:30:43 pm 
|
| ray>
| Previously I increased the buffer just before I tried '=' and
| realized I needed to create the subdir, but of course by then
| it was too late to discover the buffer overflow.
|
| So it looks like it's a combination of no \headers subdir *and*
| a too small buffer. Ain't that a beautiful thing?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 459) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:32:04 pm 
|
| Eric>
| If you Guys looked at/used  those EDITED Google pages I sent you
| then you know that I commented out most of the Google page....
| basically all that was left was the ENTRY box and the SEARCH button....
| and.....that page caused Ray's core to hang......so this thing about
| where in the page it stops reading is a wrong fork in the road. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 460) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:32:16 pm 
|
| ray>
| To confirm, Eric, please delete your \headers subdir of your cache
| and see if it's OK with Google, it so, we've got it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 461) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:34:44 pm 
|
| ray>
| Try it anyway Eric, I might be wrong, but it did hang here and 
| duplication is the name of the game.
| I think your edits don't change the fact that the attempted write to
| the .htt overflows.
| Or, in your .cfg try "keephtt NO", that should confirm or refute 
| as well.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 462) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:42:32 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   If you followed my directions and used my swtchdsk.....starting
| fron a fresh install from glennmcc's a1.89.zip....then you would have
| had as close as your going to get to my setup and it would not have
| disturbed your arachne.cfg.  I spent a lot of time on directions and
| an explaination that I submited to you.  I explained that just
| transposing the arachne.cfg values would not be sufficient to
| give you my setup.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 463) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:43:06 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, the size of the buffer when writting the Google header is 275
| With the full string but short enough to fit if a tag is removed.
| Touch wood, this could be it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 464) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:45:38 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric, I had to modify that due to my compilers needs. But
| I will sit in the corner if it turns out that your original 
| files would have caught this, let me just check ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 465) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:50:40 pm 
|
| ray>
| Na, it would have happened any way Eric, your .bat is thorough, but it 
| woulnn't have caught a missing subdir.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 466) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:53:06 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Guys,      KeepHtt No   solves the problem.....but shouldn't it
| work with KeepHtt Yes too. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 467) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 9:59:32 pm 
|
| ray>
| It will now, because I've increased the buffer size so that it
| doens't overflow. 
|
| Eric, I owe you a beer, your patience through this thing has been
| outstanding. I'll send another core tomorrow and I'm optimistic
| we've beaten it. Through this long streach you found about 8
| bugs, small and large. I wandered so far into the woods that I
| was almost lost for good, but now I think I can find my way home.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 468) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 10:00:14 pm 
|
| ray>
| G'nite Gentlemen.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 469) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 10:05:26 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Yes my directions would have eliminated the missing subdirectory
| because glennmccc's A189gpll.exe would have made sure that it was
| there.  That is the reason I continued to plead for a default setup
| from glennmcc's a1.89.  I was sure your setup was not the same as mine
| from the way you described it to me and from working with your files. 
| I knew that you were caching to your main directory for months now....
| that is unless you did a from scratch setup like I asked for from
| glennmccc's a1.89gpll.exe.  Look back at the archives of this board
| and you will see how I pleaded for that.  And spent hours writing
| directions to achieve that goal.  <ggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 470) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 10:11:00 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Something is always learned from every endeavor......but...
| the original goal might have been reached faster by a more direct route!
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 471) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 10:32:18 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  I could have sent you my whole set of floppies to do an install
| on a RAM drive but it would not have worked without many changes and
| many more files/programs I have on my computer that I take forgranted.
| I have many small utilities that I have acquired over the years and 
| use in my batch files so the are not universally interchangeable.
| The fresh install everytime keeps one honest and keeps the setup
| the same and duplicateable/reproducible. The disadvantage is a lockup
| requires a new install but it will be the same as the one that aborted
| except for any changes you failed to save and lost with the
| abort/lockup. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 472) Sun, Feb 12, 2006 - 10:39:04 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Concerning Arachne.....the directory structure is SACRED !
| <gggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 473) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 1:01:09 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Youknow that's the 2nd time now that your cache to the main
| arachne directory has caused troubles...the first time was way back
| when I found out you had cache to main because I couldn't find my
| cache files.   Why do you do that?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 474) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 8:49:30 am 
|
| glenmcc>
| I think I understand what Ray is doing.
|
| c:\arachne == arachne_main (HDD)
|
| x:\arachne == cache dir (RamDrive)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 475) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 11:35:18 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    If that's what Ray's doing then that alone makes his
| setup vastly different from mine.  I'm surprized that there aren't
| more conflicts caused by that structural difference.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 476) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 3:16:41 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep.... me too <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 477) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 3:54:09 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| RE469: Well, Ok, it would have prevented it <:-(
| But I had the 486 (have!) set up to your .cfg  permanently.
| Thus, there was no swapping of cores involved  just made an
| install, zipped it up and install the from zip to ramdrive 
| the same way every time.
|
| However, I do all my directory setups on all my machines using
| a set of drive letter subsitutions that is identical on all
| my machines and my whole comuter universe depends on it. "X" is
| always the swap drive for all programs all the time, "X:" is infact
| a ramdrive of whatever 'real' letter depeding on the machine,
| and, yes, I never created the \headers subdir because I haven't
| had it around for probably years -- forgot there even was any
| such animal. Thus I never did the virgin install thing, thus
| ...
|
| To go easy on myself, this was a rotten set of perfectly coordinated
| mistakes that the devil himself couldn't have planned better to
| foul me up, it's almost a thing of beauty.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 478) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 3:57:34 pm 
|
| ray>
| And, from a programmers perspective it underlines a basic rule of
| hygine: if a file write fails it must *always* be reported as an
| error even if it isn't considered fatal. There are two or three
| such in the code, including this one, and ironicaly I have it 
| flagged to change that but I never thought it was going to bite me
| this way. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 479) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 3:58:05 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| So... just how many years has it been since you did a 'virgin install'.<gggg
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 480) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 4:02:45 pm 
|
| ray>
| As to 'why I do that' compare your free memory with my core vs.
| Glenn's. One does not save 80K without a wee bit of trouble.
| I have rewritten and reorganized whole sections of the program and
| not every change will be painless and some will turn out to be
| mistakes that must be reversed. I am only human, I make mistakes
| but on balance I think I've done quite well.
|
| Here's the real lesson for me in this: Don't wander too far ahead of
| your testers! With Vladimir gone I just thought I'd push on
| ahead by myself and I won't do that again, you can bet.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 481) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 4:06:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh, I almost forgot to ask.
|
| Where the heck did 'NoHtt' come from ????
|
| It does not exist in anything I have.
|
| I naver even heard of that till you mentioned it yesterday.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 482) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 4:08:49 pm 
|
| ray>
| Afternoon Glenn,
|
| I do a virgin install of every release. But then I kill the
| stock \cache \mail \download directories and subsitute my own.
| More to the point, it has been a whole long time since I looked
| inside \cache to see if there was anything there, like a subdir.
|
| BTW what use is this .htt stuff anyway? and why does it even
| need a subdir of its own? Couldn't the info in the .htt be taken
| directly from source when '=' is pressed? 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 483) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 4:10:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, that's the keyword that controls that file write. It's in
| that code snip above. Do I have the spelling wrong?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 484) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 4:10:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nevermind.... I found it.
|
| It does not exist in arachne.cfg as a keyword.
|
| It's in the SRC code as a variable.
|
|
| ---------- e:config.c
| [600]  user_interface.nohtt=1;
| [602]  user_interface.nohtt=0;
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 485) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 4:11:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yup, post 420:
|
| "if(!user_interface.nohtt ..."
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 486) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 4:13:27 pm 
|
| ray>
| So what use is it? Honest question, I'm not attacking it just want
| to know why we'd bother with the delay of doing a file write for
| this strange information
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 487) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 4:15:17 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That's another one of those rediculous things that made sense to Micheal
| but is totally 'reverse logic'.
|
| The variable name _should_ match the keyword.
|
| This should be changed in config.c......
|
|  value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"KeepHTT",NULL);
|  if(value && toupper(*value)=='N')
|   user_interface.keephtt=0;
|  else
|   user_interface.keephtt=1;
|
| And then all places where it gets used should be altered accordingly.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 488) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 4:15:19 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh Glenn, thanks to you too for helping me out of that mess, you 
| have the nose for these things even when it's not your code.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 489) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 4:16:04 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I bet he created it so he could keep running with that
| crazy directory structure...then...forgot about it! <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  490) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 4:17:51 pm 
|
| ray>
| I did that a long time ago. All my keywords have exactly the same
| spelling as the stucture member names. Filth! God knows how MP
| kept any control of his project with suff like that floating 
| around.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 491) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 4:21:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Remember just yesterday you showed me your 'mem/c' and let me know
| that you didn't want any comments about it? Point being that we
| all have our way of doing things and it is a bit arrogant to think 
| that any of us can presume to tell someone else how their machine
| should be set up. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 492) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 4:23:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| Now, gotta do some welding for the neighbour. 
| Eric, fixed core in the wire. And it better work!
| All support files identical to last core, just plop it in that
| floppy because prev core is buggy for sure.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 493) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 5:04:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| She no workie :(
|
| changed user_interface.nohtt to user_interface.keephtt
|
| ERROR !! "undefined symbol keephtt"
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 494) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 5:30:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Got it... forgot to change it in uiface.h
|
|
| ---------- e:uiface.h
| // char nohtt;
|
| ---------- e:guievent.c
| //     if(ishttp && !user_interface.nohtt)
|
| ---------- e:http.c
| //  if(!user_interface.nohtt)
|
| ---------- e:config.c
| //  user_interface.nohtt=1;
| //  user_interface.nohtt=0;
|
| ---------- e:main.c
| //if(addobjectsnow && !user_interface.nohtt)
|
|
|
| ---------- e:guievent.c
|      if(ishttp && user_interface.keephtt)
|
| ---------- e:http.c
|   if(user_interface.keephtt)
|
| ---------- e:config.c
|   user_interface.keephtt=0;
|   user_interface.keephtt=1;
|
| ---------- e:main.c
|   if(addobjectsnow && user_interface.keephtt)
|
|
| ---- each altered section has this commment ---
|
| //!!glennmcc: Feb 13, 2005 -- at Ray's suggestion,
| // changed variable name to match the keyword
|  char keephtt;
| // char nohtt;
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 495) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 6:18:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| No more that 'if not no... yes' stuff. ;-)
|
| Now it is 'if yes... yes'.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 496) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 6:19:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oops, just noticed.... wrong date.
|
| We're in 2006 now, not 2005
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 497) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 7:09:03 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| Do you know of any others that need to be changed
| to get ridd of that 'reverse logic' ? <g>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 498) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 8:36:50 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn, don't forget to change the default! Since the question is now
| asked 'fontwards' the 'Y' means the opposite of what it did before
| so the default must change too.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 499) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 8:38:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hey, while you're doing good stuff why not implement those 
| changes to defaults that you yourself suggested? It's progressive
| on it's own merrits and it will remove a source of incompatablility
| between our cores.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 500) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 8:42:39 pm 
|
| ray>
|
|
| It will almost always be no trouble to run my core using your existing
| ARACHNE.CFG although several options have been changed, dropped or added:
| Unfortunately, at present, none of these changes have been implemented
| in the 'options' pages. I don't like the current system and am
| plotting something very different with Vladimir ;-) These changes are
| obviously a pain in the butt, especialy if you are moving back and forth
| between my core and Glenn's however, it is widely agreed that the current
| state of Arachne's keywords is a mess and change is needed however
| troblesome it might be.
|
| Dropped:
|
| - 'XMS4oneGif' is no longer used.
| - 'AttachCheck' is not used, this feature is always enabled.
| - 'FreezeupString[1/2]' is disabled since it is now possible to delete
|   frozen-up spam emails.
| - "AltTab" This key is duplicated by "F9".
|
| Renamed/Replaced:
|
| - 'XMS4allGIFsKB' replaces 'XMS4allGIFs', it's just a bit more informative.
| - 'RAID' has been replaced with the friendlier 'ReloadIndex'.
| - 'RightMouseGoesBack' has been shortened to 'RightMouseBack'.
| - 'Colors' has been replaced with 'ColorInk' and 'ColorPaper'
|   (one value each instead of the two values for 'Colors')
| - 'MouseColors' has similarly been replaced with 'ColorHotMouse' and
|   'ColorColdMouse'.
| - 'SysFont' is simply the name of the font that you want to use as
|   your system font, it replaces 'Altsysfont', and 'BigFont'.
|   Default is "SysFont 8x14.fnt"
|
| Changed defaults:
|
|   These flags defaulted to NO now to YES at Glenn's suggestion:
|
|   "Autodial",
|   "HTTPS2HTTP",
|   "Kill468x60",
|   "RightMouseBack",
|   "UseAuthSMTP",
|   "UseSignature",
|
|    These flags defaulted to YES now to NO at Glenn's suggestion:
|
|   "CSS",
|   "HTTPKeepAlive",
|   "LoadImages",
|   "MailIsDesktop",
|   "SavePasswords",
|
| (Ironicaly, Glenn has not implemented these changes in his own core.)
|
| - 'CursorType' [F/L/H/S] for Fat, Long, Hand and Standard lets you pick
|   the cursor of your choice, the default is 'S'tandard arrow.
|
| - Color[...] I'm not sure my new defaults are the best choices and will
|   yield to popular demand as I get more feedback on this.
|
| New:
|
| - 'UseConfigDat' [Y/N] See below. Default is NO but YES is recomended
| - 'Experimental' [Y/N] Some of the experimental code in this core can
|   be turned on or off with this. Default is NO but YES is recomended.
|
| These keywords are used by MINITERM.EXE only. If you don't use that,
| you can remove them:
|
| Autologin
| DialString
| InitString
| Mode
| PhoneNumber
| Response[1-6]
| WaitFor[1-6]
|
| These keywords are now obsolete:
|
| IRQ
| Port
| Dialer
| UseTerminal
| Speed
| IP_Grab
| (And maybe one or two that I've forgotten)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 501) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 8:44:53 pm 
|
| ray>
| Nuts, looking over the list I see that I don't include the 
| keephtt change cuz I did that back in base5c, but it should be
| documented here too.
|
| Yeah, that's right because 5c was almost 100% compatible except for
| those one or two changes, let me go see what they were.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 502) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 8:45:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Any verdict on that last core? Will I be smoked it it don't work :(
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 503) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 8:50:30 pm 
|
| ray>
| Wrong, that's the only one I had previously changed.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 504) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 8:52:50 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ah, but what about 'nohelo'? Same reverse logic problem but I haven't
| changed it. If you do, I will to tho ;-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 505) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 8:56:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| re: post 498
|
| Yep, done...
|
| --- clipped from post 487 ---
|
|  value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"KeepHTT",NULL);
|  if(value && toupper(*value)=='N')
|   user_interface.keephtt=0;
|  else
|   user_interface.keephtt=1;
| ____________________________________
|
|
| Therfore... 'No' == 0 ... 'Yes' == 1 .. default is Yes
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 506) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 9:00:24 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ok, it would be easy to overlook.
| BTW, seems to me that the default should be no. Sheesh I didn't even
| know about that until yesterday ;-) and I'd say defaults should always
| be toward the 'basic' end of things -- faster, simpler, let the user
| turn it on if needed.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 507) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 9:02:39 pm 
|
| ray>
| interesting the subject should come up. Chastened by Eric and
| Gregy, I was about to change all my defaults back to std, but I you
| are thinking of moving them in the forward direction, that'll save
| me some bother. :)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 508) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 9:04:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW, don't you agree that *all* failed writes should be reported to 
| the user?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 509) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 9:04:13 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The keyword is ... 'NoHelo'
|
| And the question on the setup page is... 'Disable HELO protocol'
|
| Not 'fully reverse logic' ... but we could make it more intuitive.
|
| How-about....
|
| Keyword 'SendHelo' Yes/No
|
| The question will still be 'Disable HELO protocol'
|
| Disabled == SendHelo No
| Not Disabled == SendHelo Yes
|
| Sounds good to me....
|
| Sound good to you ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 510) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 9:06:45 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: defaulting keephtt to no.
|
| Naw... bad idea IMO.
|
| Defaulting to No would then default the = key to _not_ show the page info.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 511) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 9:09:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: reporting all failed writes
|
| Nope...
| IMO, too much info that most users don't really care about anyways.
|
| If it don't cause no problem... don't nuttin 'bout it. <ggg>
|
| BRB
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 512) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 9:11:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I agree with Micheal on this one and many more where no error is reported.
|
|
| ---------- e:parsecss.c
| [208]  return 0; //no need to crash, just quietly ignore stylesheet ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 513) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 9:25:27 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I have problem with at least 2 of you defaults.......
|
| 1. Autodial - why Yes - I know I am not the only one who wants control
| over when the modem dials.
|
| 2. If I ALT-D to dial I am often returned to the Dial page even though
| I was on some other page when I dialed and wish to be on that page when
| dialing is thru (whether I change my mind and ESC or if I let the 
| connection go to completion). It is annoying when I am removed from my
| current page and then have to find it again. I just tried this with
| 1.85:B6-b:2s and it didn't happen. Maybe you have changed this or maybe
| it only happens on some pages...but...I know it was happening and I 
| wanted to mention it but kept forgetting.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  514) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 9:33:35 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| --- in protocol.c ---
|
| //!!glennmcc: Feb 13, 2006 -- 'SendHelo' is more logical ;-)
|   value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"SendHELO",NULL);
|   if(value && toupper(*value)!='N')
|    helo=1;
| //  value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"NoHELO",NULL);
| //  if(value && toupper(*value)=='Y')
| //   helo=0;
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
|
| Also changed on opt_net.ah 
|
| <!-- 'SendHelo' is more logical ;-)
| <INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="NoHELO" VALUE=No>
| <INPUT TYPE=CHECKBOX NAME="NoHELO" VALUE=Yes ARACHNECHECKED="NoHELO">
| Disable HELO protocol
| -->
| <INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="SendHELO" VALUE=Yes>
| <INPUT TYPE=CHECKBOX NAME="SendHELO" VALUE=No ARACHNECHECKED="SendHELO">
| Disable HELO protocol
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 515) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 9:42:53 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Why are these keywords obsolete....'cause of LSPPP?
| I don't think everyone uses LSPPP
|
| These keywords are now obsolete:
| IRQ
| Port
| Dialer
| UseTerminal
| Speed
| IP_Grab
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 516) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 9:44:22 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Maybe toggle failed writes to a log when needed for debugging?.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 517) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 10:08:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| Eric is 100% correct.
|
| Those keywords will not be obsolete untill we can get Lsppp woring for
| everyone.
|
| There are still many many users who can't get Lsppp to work for them.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 518) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 10:16:07 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Concerning arrogance of telling another how to setup their
| computer....I was not telling you how to setup your computer for
| your own use.....I was concerned with creating duplicate setups
| for the mutual benefit of all parties involved in any specific
| trouble shooting endeavor.  In addition, I have found from 
| experience that deviation from the default directory structure
| is a sure path to disaster with most programs I have used. And,
| judging from glennmcc's comments it sounds like he has experienced
| the same. Therefore, I was commenting that your deviation from
| normal Arachne architecture seemed likely to create problems like
| we just experienced. How my config.sys is setup for loading my
| programs is not the same as changing directory structure.
| I accept and even desire feedback on how I have things setup.
| In this case, however, I was just sending a pre-emptive declaration
| since I have previously, already, collected your kind suggestions
| for mounting things high and etc.  I appoligize if I presenting an
| arrogant posture. BTW, I have had setups where I used up all the 26
| drive letters and wanted more. In fact, I am not known for my 
| default setups....quite the contrary....I have often found it impossible
| to get any help because my setups were so bizzare. <ggg> 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 519) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 10:22:16 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| One small mod was needed for 'SendHelo'
|
| //!!glennmcc: Feb 13, 2006 -- 'SendHelo' is more logical ;-)
|   value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"SendHELO",NULL);
|   if(value && toupper(*value)!='N')
|    helo=1; else helo=0;
|
|
| --- SendHelo Yes / UseAuthSMTP No ---
|
| 220 smtp107.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com ESMTP
| HELO cisnet.com
| 250 smtp107.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com
| MAIL FROM: <glennmcc@cisnet.com>
| 530 authentication required - for help go to http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/s
| QUIT
|
|
| -- SendHelo No / UseAuthSMTP No ---
|
| 220 smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com ESMTP
| MAIL FROM: <glennmcc@cisnet.com>
| 530 authentication required - for help go to http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/s
| QUIT
|
| --- SendHelo Yes or No (auth overrides) / UseAuthSMTP Yes ---
|
| 220 smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com ESMTP
| EHLO cisnet.com
| 250-smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com
| 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN XYMCOOKIE
| 250-PIPELINING
| 250 8BITMIME
| AUTH LOGIN
| 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6
| ********************************
| 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6
| **************
| 235 ok, go ahead (#2.0.0)
| MAIL FROM: <glennmcc@cisnet.com>
| 250 ok
| RCPT TO: <glennmcc@cisnet.com>
| 250 ok
| DATA
| 354 go ahead
| From: "Glenn McCorkle" <glennmcc@cisnet.com>
| Organization: Arachne Fan Club
| Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:09:35 -0500
| X-Mailer: Arachne v1.90;UE11
| To: 
| Reply-To: glennmcc@cisnet.com
| Bcc: glennmcc@cisnet.com
| Subject: 
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
| Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
|
| -- 
|  Glenn
|  http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
|  http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
|  http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html
| .
| 250 ok 1139894150 qp 14900
| QUIT
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 520) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 10:28:13 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Changed my mind ;-)
|
|   if(value && toupper(*value)=='N')
|    helo=0; else helo=1;
|
|
| That's better.
|
| Now it for-sure defaults to 'Yes'
|
| We _need_ it to default to Yes because 999 out of 1000
| need a either HELO or EHLO
|
| I'll do the same for Authenticated SMTP because more and more SMTP
| servers are requiring authentication.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 521) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 10:40:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
|   value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"UseAuthSMTP",NULL);
|   if(!value || toupper(*value)!='N') helo=2;
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 522) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 10:48:55 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| There we go... the same 'logic' for SendHelo ;-)
|
|   value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"SendHELO",NULL);
|   if(!value || toupper(*value)!='N') helo=1; else helo=0;
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 523) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 11:07:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And one small change in sendmail.c
|
|   //HELO protocol
|   char *mydomain=strchr(url->user,'@');
| //!!glennmcc: Feb 14, 2006 -- use authuser for AuthSMTP
|   if(helo==2)
|      mydomain=strchr(url->authuser,'@');
| //!!glennmcc: end
|   if(mydomain)
|    mydomain++; // xx@->yyy
|   else
|    mydomain=url->user;
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 524) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 11:29:46 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   How come...I clicked on your link to VA Chat concerning
| Embrowser.  I was a 345KB donload and it was blank except for 
| dates and a few links.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 525) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 11:32:24 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Darn, concerning above post..my typing gets badder and bader.
| Seems That I was a 345KB file. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 526) Mon, Feb 13, 2006 - 11:56:55 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Again....I had to go searching for keyword name in core.
| I was sitting here running your 1.85:B6-b2s and loaded your new core
| 5g and Arachne would NOT start since correct keyword was missing. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 527) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 5:19:17 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric....hmmm....you mention that you must do a "completely clean
| install" from your floppy, each time you crash...???
| ...
| And, I seem to understand that you have to "re-setup" all your
| personalized .CFGs, .ACFs, plus personal utilities, etc...???
| ...
| If I might make a small suggestion...???
| ..
| And, also, I understand that you have NO room on your HDDs and you have
| plenty of 1.44Mbyte floppies...??? (<g>)
| ..
| 1.  After you unzip/install 1.89 (or any other version), then setup all
| your personalizations (but before your add your personal utilities and
| programs), then do an spanning-XCOPY (using the Archive bit) to copy
| the new install out onto two 1.44Mbyte floppies.
| 2.  Put all your personal utilities/programs on a third floppy.
| 3.  When you crash, you can use a .BAT on the first floppy to set up the
| RAMdisk and write the whole DIR/SUBDIR structure onto the RAMdisk, then
| just XCOPY each floppy onto the RAMdisk.
| ...
| NOTE - this will give you a completely fresh install on the RAMdisk each
| time, but..BUT...you will not need to "personalize" it each time.
| ..
| This should save you some time and effort...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 528) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 5:24:47 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...NOTE - I will not try to duplicate your "from-the-floppy" install
| since I unzip/install/personalize to my RAMdisk, then XCOPY the whole
| R:\ (RAMdisk Drive) down onto one of my HDDs....
| ...
| but...BUT...if I was faced with your situation, I would NOT try to do a
| clean install each time I crashed...I'd install ONCE on the RAMdrive
| and then xcopy it out onto two 1.44Mbyte floppies.  It would save me
| oodles of time/effort that way, whereas, doing a complete clean install
| each time...would bum me out enough so that I'd never, again, do any
| testing....<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 529) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 7:31:38 am 
|
| ray>
| Yikes, more trafic than I can respond to before work but to start:
|
| SendHelo sounds fine to me, will change it here.
|
| RE: 512: but that's not the same thing, it's not a file write, it's
| a bit of code that might not complete, so a 'return' is indeed better
| than a crash, but an attempted write to a file is different and is 
| always a reportable error IMHO.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 530) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 7:36:12 am 
|
| ray>
| RE: defaults, Eric, these are negotiable of course, I have it as I like
| it, but it's easy to change.
|
| RE: going back to the wrong page, this is an eternal problem and 
| one day I'll get back on it, my system is different from Glenn's but
| I'm not satisfied with either so far.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 531) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 7:38:26 am 
|
| ray>
| As to obsolete keywords, good point, my connect system has not
| been tried with epppd/miniterm and it's time I did that. But I think
| even then most if not all of those keywords still won't be needed.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 532) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 7:47:10 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    Glad to see your still here....missed your 2 cents worth....
| I do have copys of pre-setup cfg files that I use....I dont really
| do a complete wizard, type-in parameters, install....and...from time to
| time I copy over my pre-personalized files from a setup I think I
| want to use as a base for testing. I just do the initial install
| from glennmcc's A1xxgpll.exe upto the personalized wizard stuff
| at which time I close Arachne and insert appropiately pre-setup
| files.
|
| It keeps me honest and avoids some discrepancies from being
| propigated!  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 533) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:04:22 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   I am not saying everyone needs to do my "from the floppy"
| install for their own personal setups.....I am suggesting it as a way
| to make a testers setup that allows all the testers to duplicate
| the bugs that are found.  When each tester uses his own setup for
| testing it provides one type of exercise for Arachne which allows
| for different combinations of options to be tested....this is good...
| but when a bug is found in a specific setup, it often only exists
| in that exact setup...so...a need arises to duplicate that setup
| exactly, so others can see the bug.  Also, an occasional default
| setup from scratch helps to remind one just how much he has 
| personalized his own setup.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 534) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:18:14 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I'm not talking about going to the wrong page as a random
| occurance.  I'm seeing an intentional programmed return to the
| dialup page as if it was needed or desired for connection.
| The dial-up page is not needed for connection and I find is not
| where I want to find myself when it rips me away from the page
| I was working from when I noticed a need to connect to the internet.
| Since it occurs from random pages I assume it is programmed in the
| core where the user cannot change it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 535) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:39:55 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, you write:
| RE: defaults, Eric, these are negotiable of course, I have it as I like
| it, but it's easy to change.
|
| Ray,    Defaults, in my opinion, are not something that should be
| determined by "I have it as I like it"....They are set to provide
| a base setup of the program which can then be adapted by the user
| to his personal needs. A large number of users world wide have
| to pay connection fees and time on line fees, etc. and therefore
| don't necessarily want something "autodialed". Using that as the
| default may discourage a user who is unfamiliar with the program
| and doesn't know it can be turned off. On the other hand, I doubt
| very many users would be discouraged because they had to press
| a key to dial when they needed a connection.
|
| ba
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 536) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:44:32 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric....yes...my point was:
| 1.  "Loading" Arachne from floppy-to-RAMdisk will make NO difference
| to the actual setup of the install on the RAMdisk.
| 2.  Any "standardization" would need to be fairly "generic" since any
| of my boxes would be different from any others' boxes.
| 3.  The key point would be some of the .CFG keywords that default to
| values that don't correspond to my reality (I've griped about this
| numerous times)
| 4.  These keyword-defaults can/will be negotiated/adjusted....Glenn's
| and Ray's recent posts have given us, at least, some initial data to
| start from...
| ...
| Again, having a "standard testers' install" on a floppy or floppies,
| is eggs-acKery the same as having the identical "standard testers'
| install" loaded from an HDD...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 537) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:47:16 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...I agree with Eric's recent posts.  But, then, you knew that I
| already have complained about "change for the sake of change" (or what
| appears to be that) without investigating/acknowledging the very real
| reasons for why some of those defaults are the values that they are..
| and...pondering just WHAT changing them will do to the average or new
| user...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 538) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:59:03 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, I quote you from post#506:
|
| " and I'd say defaults should always be toward the 'basic' end of things 
| -- faster, simpler, let the user turn it on if needed."
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 539) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 9:01:19 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   BTW, the page download counter is broken....it always shows
| the same number....I think I mentioned this before but maybe not.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 540) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 9:15:30 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    I don't care if the "standard install" is from a HDD
| or from a floppy or from a cd-rom or from an internet download....but...
| I find floppies the most universal medium. I don't even think it
| matters if it is on a RAM drive from a testing perspective. I just
| find that Arachne works faster and better than "new" computers
| running "new" browsers on "new" operating systems if it is on 
| a RAM drive.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 541) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 12:30:03 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ...always....<g>....I mean....Arachne "can" be run from an HDD,..but..it
| gets pretty annoying listening to that drive crank all the time....and..
| it isn't very fast, no matter how fast the drive is.....at least, not
| compared to RAMdisk.....plus....plus....oh, a whole host of reasons..
| ...
| Arachne SHOULD be ALWAYS run from RAMdisk....but that's only the most
| optimum configuration....
| ..
| ..but...BUT....testing is also best/required to be run from RAMdisk
| ...
| But...BUT...how you load that RAMdisk....what location/medium you have
| the basic install on, the install you will copy onto the RAMdisk...is
| ...very unimportant.....what IS important is that it should be the most
| simple and quick method for you (or me, or any other tester)...
| ....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 542) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 2:35:03 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,  The reason I suggested the swtchdsk floppy was because
| I figured it as the most simple, fast, uncomplicated method to 
| get duplicate setups.  The swtchdsk install could easily be run
| from a HDD if one preferred.....it is just less complicated to
| to do it from a floppy for several reasons and it doesn't take
| an intollerable amount of time.  The install of glennmcc's
| setup as a default would be the most strenuous part and that
| could be copied to your hard disk just a you do now so that it
| was a one time thing.  My switch disk saves any file of your
| setup that it touches and doesn't change any of your already
| set parameters.  It can probably be used with your current install
| to switch it to Ray's 6B setup with no problems. I just thought
| it was better to use it with a fresh install of glennmcc's
| to get a more accurate duplicate setup.  Unless you have
| adapted to an unconventional directory structure like Ray did
| there is no problem that I know of.....if there is I can easily
| fix it with feedback, which I asked for.  But if I can't get
| anyone to try it then I can't improve it or adapt it to anyone
| elses preferences. 
| b
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 543) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 2:45:33 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Welcome back, miss ya.
|
| RE: Dialup page, yeah, as I said I'm far from happy with that myself,
| there's work to do there for sure but I want a fix that's not a hack
| but a true insight into how all that stuff works and I'm not there 
| yet. Glenn's system would be better except that it blocks some stuff
| as startup options..
|
| RE: Defaults, I agree with all you guys said, I do it my way until
| such times as I have someone else to answer to, that's all, there 
| is no commitment to that at all. The right default is based on
| a compromise between saftety,  majority vote and compatablilty.
|
| RE: counter, do you mean the size counter? Give me a URL and
| I'll check that out, we can compare numbers. There are still more
| than one systems for displaying file downloads etc. a project in 
| hand is to standardize on one.
|
| Oh, Eric, 'arogant' probably wasn't the right word anyway, probably 
| should have used 'wishful thinking' -- I figure that a perfect
| clone of someone else's system just isn't going to happen to it's
| hubris to even try. I duplicated your .cfg and that's all that I'd
| say was reasonable to attempt. Anyway it wasn't configuration at all,
| it was that missing subdir and that was a curve ball. I'm going
| to insure that my core *always* reports any failed file write,
| even if it's not a fatal error.
|
| Oh, as to 'change for changes sake' Gregy, that's not fair. Some of
| my changes are necessary for reasons that you don't understand, 
| please have a bit of faith. As to things like colors, etc. as I said
| above these are all completely negotiable, no resistance from me,
| what the users want the users get, no issue.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 544) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 2:47:27 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    It only takes a minute or two to run the switch disk.
| The biggest time consumer is copying the core to your setup.
| It takes far longer to read the directions that I sent you
| than to run the switch disk.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 545) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 2:49:39 pm 
|
| ray>
| Anyway, Glenn is making some changes to his .cfg too. So far I like
| them, let's see how far he goes with those other defaults, and if
| we're close enough to make compromise work, I'll re-synch with him
| completely except for the necessary changes, like 'SysFont'.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 546) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 2:53:09 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, Gregy, Eric's system is the way to go if you are ramdisking, 
| and all those cores on floppies can be saved out of the way 
| incase theres some other bug that needs to be dated. The only thing
| I do different from Eric is I treat all cores equally -- Glenn's and 
| mine, none is handled any different, that way I can swap in older
| standard cores too: 183, 185, 187, whatever.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 547) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 3:27:59 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| The page is very wiiiiddddeeee..... scroll to the right. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 548) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 3:29:10 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    The missing subdirectory is what prevented you from
| duplicating the hang......but....if anyone tried to use
| your arachne.cfg configurations then they ended up in trouble
| because of your NON-DEFAULT directory structure. Your configuration
| sent the cache files to the MAIN directory in a default directory
| structure.  I know because if you recall it happened to me and it
| confused things for a while.  As I said before,  setup your Arachne
| to make yourself happy....but that is different than setting up
| a test configuration that can be used for a standard.
|
| And I disagree with the premise that two different systems can't
| have duplicate/"identicle" setups SO WHY TRY.  The "why try" is
| that at least there will be fewer differences which will make
| duplicating bug responses that much easier.  No one says you
| have to run the test configuration all the time...but...can't
| we all have the test configuration available to make our lives
| easier.
|
| I know that all you guys have newer/more powerful equipment
|  than I'm using so I figured if I wrote something that worked on
| my setup then it aught to work for the rest of you.  If anyone 
| has a more simple/better/more adaptable test setup system then
| I'll use it if everyone else will,
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 549) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 3:31:55 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  Thanks....I think I tried and couldn't but I'll check
| it out again....if only to see if your right. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 550) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 3:34:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| What is your setting for homepage in arachne.cfg ?
|
| --- clipped from 486pc.acf ---
| HomePage http://arachne.cz/
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 551) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 3:41:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to the 'default settings'.
|
| These only come-into-play when the arachne.cfg keyword in-question is
| missing from arachne.cfg
|
| Any that _do_ exist in the cfg are used as-you-have-them-set.
|
| ex:
| UseAuthSMTP Yes/No gets used as you have chosen if it exists in the CFG
|
| If that line is missing from the CFG... my fresh code just done last
| evening now defaults to 'Yes'.
|
| The same applies to SendHelo
|
| SendHelo Yes/No gets used if it's in the CFG
| if missing... defaults to 'Yes'
|
| If you go through _all_ of the various setup screens ...
| there will not be _any_ missng variables.
|
| In addition... my next release will have _all_ of the variables in _all_
| of the ACF files.
|
| _Nothing_ will get added after that [autoadded] section.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 552) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 3:43:31 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Link to any outside page (try switchboard.com) and watch
| the "bytes of xxxxx bytes" download counter in LL corner....
| it's all goofed up.  This is with the most recent core you sent me....
| I can't type in your version code because it is not displayed
| anywhere on the page right now which is a real PITA.  <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 553) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 3:48:44 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    You wrote:
|
| >In addition... my next release will have _all_ of the variables in _all_
| >of the ACF files.
| >_Nothing_ will get added after that [autoadded] section.
|
| I think that is an excellent idea....I've wanted that for a long time.
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 554) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 3:51:33 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| This is how the D/L counter _should_ look at switchboard.com
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/dl_count.gif
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 555) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 3:53:38 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   You wrote:
|
| What is your setting for homepage in arachne.cfg ?
| --- clipped from 486pc.acf ---
| HomePage http://arachne.cz/
|
| NO....I customize like everyone else....That's why I know how
| important an standard test setup is. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 556) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 3:56:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| So... what did you customize your haomepage to ? ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 557) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 3:57:55 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| BTW,
|
| I just now hit Alt+D and stayed right here.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 558) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 4:09:17 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Here's how things work in my compiles.
|
| If you are on the dialpage when you hit Alt+D or link to the 'Dial Now'
| button.... after dialing and connecting, you will then be taken to your
| homepage.
|
| If your on any other page besides the dialpage when you hit Alt+D
| you will remain on that page. This applies to any local page other than
| the dialpage and to any remote page.
|
| The only time you will go anywhere is if you are on thew dialpage.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 559) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 4:10:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Just now did it again.
|
| Dialed/connected/logged-in/stayed right here.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 560) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 4:11:07 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,      The download counter looks nothing like that
| with Ray's core.....<ggg>
|
| Re: Homepage
|
| Here's what I have:
|
| DialPage file:c:\telnet.apm
|
| HomePage file:home.bmp
|
| This loads Telnet on startup and gives me a blank, instant load,
| homepage. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 561) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 4:14:42 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now back here after...
|
| 'D' to go to dialpage/dialed/connected/logged-in/sent to arachne.cz/back onc
| time to here
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 562) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 4:15:02 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Your setup works fine....just like it should....
| it was Ray that I was addressing....his is goofed up.
| Your ALT-D==perfecto
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 563) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 4:20:17 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The purpose of the Dialpage == the page with dial setings on it.
|
| This is also the purpose of the hotkey 'D'....
| To take you instantly to the page where you have your dial settings
|
| If you want an easy way to install the telnet.apm
|
| ShiftF3 file:c:\telnet.apm
| (or which-ever Fn key you choose)
|
| That's the purpose for the user-programable function keys.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 564) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 4:20:42 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  There is a glitch with F4 page edit.....some times
| after an edit and save the page fails to display and the
| source code remains on the screen so I have to CTRL-BACK ARROW
| to the previous page and then CTRL-FORWARD ARROW to get back
| a proper page display. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 565) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 4:22:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Or you can do it the way I did by simply adding this line into hotlist.htm
|
| <LI><A HREF="file:e:\arachne\apm\telnet.apm">e:\arachne\apm\telnet.apm</A>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 566) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 4:25:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The problem with F4 is due to very loooonnnngggg lines in many pages on
| the web. (those which are generated by M$frontpage are the worst)
|
| You'll find this in the <head>.......
|
| <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 6.0">
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 567) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 4:28:48 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,      But this way I don't have to install Telnet....
| it is automatically part of Arachne with every startup.
| I used to have to use Telnet to connect to my email, webpage,
| unix internet access every connection, therefore Telnet was
| an essential part or my installation.  I didn't want the 
| dial page...it was just a waste of time for me.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 568) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 4:32:11 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     No that is not the problem I am referring to.
| Try download an image or file and get the "save this" page.
| Press F4 , edit, then click save....see what happens.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 569) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 4:42:07 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I do things like that with my Hotlist...<ggg>....
| as I've said before My Arachne Hotlist is my Home Page on
| my W$doze machine.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 570) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 5:17:55 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Why the heck woyuld you be hitting F4 while on the 'save this' page ????
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 571) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 5:22:16 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| By pressing F4 at that point, you are editing...
|
| arachne_main\system\gui\saveas.ah
|
| There is never any need to edit that page.
| (especially via use of the F4 edit key)
|
| Why are doing that anyways ????
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 572) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 7:09:32 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Because I want to edit that page.....is that against the 
| law?   I don't like the box to be active so I edit the page.
| When the box is active the hot keys are inactive until one
| tabs the cursor out of the box.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 573) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 7:23:21 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I edit any page I wish via the F4 key...and...I edit
| out or in anything I don't like or I do like, respectively.  As 
| I said before I do a lot of customization for myself but when
| I'm testing I test a "default" or "basic" setup. I don't like
| the automatic redial on err_ppp.ah page so I edit out the
| refresh or lengthen it depending on my mood.  Just because
| I don't like refresh there doesn't mean I want to turn refresh
| off for other pages.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 574) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 7:30:56 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  I just edited ERR_PPP.AH using F4 and it worked just
| fine and when I clicked SAVE the page returned just like it is
| supposed to do.  The "saveas.ah" page didn't do that. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 575) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 7:31:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| You don't have to turn it off any more.
|
| Joe made it so you can choose how long you want it to be.
|
| Set this one on opt_net.ah
|
| ShortestRefresh 10
|
| All refresh times of less than 10sec will now be 10sec
|
| Or set it to 30, 40 100... whatever you want.
|
| And no... it's not against the law. <ggg>
|
| I was just curious.
|
| But as to the hotkeys being inactive till you tab out of the text filed
| on saveas.ah
|
| That's the way it's sposed to be.
|
| The purpose of that page is for saveing stuff.
|
| once you've saved it... hot keys work.
|
| <ggg>
|
| But be that as it may on all of my above opinions....
|
| I'll look into it and see if I can find what's going wrong after editing
| saveas.ah via F4
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 576) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 7:36:16 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Till we get it figured-out... just press 'R' when it gets displayed as
| text instead of HTM
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 577) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 7:47:56 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     I get the ERR_PPP.AH page everytime I disconnect
| since Arachne/lsppp doesn't release the phone line correctly....so...
| I have to dial...ESC...to hangup my modem and I like it to stay
| on that page so I usually just comment out the refresh line. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 578) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 7:58:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Try changeing your hangup line in arachne.cfg
|
| Old line...
|
| Hangup @termin.com 0x60>NUL
|
| New line...
|
| Hangup @hangup.bat
|
| --- create hangup.bat thusly ---
| ren lsppp.cfg lsppp.cfb
| lsppp.exe /u
| ren lsppp.cfb lsppp.cfg
| ________________________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 579) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:01:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| You can even do it all on one line if you don't want to make that BAT
|
| Hangup @ren lsppp.cfg lsppp.cfb | lsppp.exe /u | ren lsppp.cfb lsppp.cfg
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 580) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:06:21 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   As far as the purpose of the "saveas.ah" page...yes...
| it is there to GIVE YOU THE OPTION to save the download somewhere
| other than in the cache IF YOU WISH!~ When I'm running on limited
| disk space I often (read that as usually) don't want to waste the
| space.  I can go to the cache and rename any files I want to save
| with fewer steps and I'm not creating a duplicate file. Then later I
| can copy any files I want to save all at the same time to HDD or
| a floppy or a CD (if I had one on this machine) with one command.
| I often selectively cull my cache of files to avoid running out of
| space. Notice the term selectively as opposed to "kill the cache".
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 581) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:12:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That's kewl.
|
| But ther is an easier way than greabbing it from the cache and renaming it.
|
| Place a disk in the floppy drive and when saveas.ah appears...
|
| change the path / filename to piont to the floppy.
|
| c:\arachne\download\filname.jpg
|
| change to...
|
| a:\filename.jpg
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 582) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:12:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now delete it from the cache.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 583) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:15:12 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Thanks....that looks like a rather clean way to automate
| things.  I tried some other things before and They never worked to my
| satisfaction. I have been known to just "lsppp, enter,esc" when I am
| shelled out.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 584) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:17:16 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And if your ache is on C: and you want to save the file some place else on C
|
| Alter the stuff on saveas.ah to use movefile.dgi instead of savefile.dgi
|
| Make a new line in mime.cfg
|
| file/savefile.dgi >txt|if exist $s goto ne\n copy /b $l $S>$2\ngoto end\n:ne
| exists">$2\necho "try a new name">>$2\n:end
|
| file/movefile.dgi >txt|if exist $s goto ne\n move $l $S>$2\ngoto end\n:ne\ne
| "try a new name">>$2\n:end
|
|
| There ya' go... the file will be moved from the cache dir to the new
| dir with its new name.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 585) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:27:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Wanna delete  all bmps from the cache ?
|
| Add a new line to mime.cfg
|
| file/clearbmp.dgi   |[100]if exist $a*.bmp del $a*.bmp
|
| type into URL line....
|
| file:clearbmp.dgi
|
| do the same with JPGs
|
| file/clearjpg.dgi   |[100]if exist $a*.jpg del $a*.jpg
|
| clearhtml.dgi is already in mime.cfg and can be linked to via the F10 deskto
| link to Utilities and then Clear cache
|                            (only HTML) 
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 586) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:27:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I sometimes do just edit the path in the box...but...
| I can move the cursor to the box if I decide to do that and I 
| have something important or something I don't want to risk loosing.
| More often as I'm CTRL-ARROWing, I will come across that darn page
| and it hangs me up and aggravates me.  I get the same aggravation
| when I accidentally hit "C" and get stuck on the compose page. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 587) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:30:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| ESC + BackArrow or ForwardArrow fixes that <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 588) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 8:59:47 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| There ya go... fixed your frustrations with the Active tagarg.
|
| Grab this......
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ignore-a.zip
|
| Add this line to arachne.cfg
|
| IgnoreActive Yes
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 589) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 9:17:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| No more 'active' text input fields and no more 'active' textarea on the
| F4 edit screen (or any other 'active' item)
|
| 'active' she no workie when 'IgnoreActive Yes' <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 590) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 9:42:13 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  the thing I really need is to turn off "Q".  
| Too many times when using TAB , Q gets pressed accidentally when
| I'm on a page with a zillion links...then I'm locked in to a
| zillion downloads that I have found no way to stop...<ggg>....
| Have you got a fix for that?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 591) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 10:00:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| Sheesh, busy!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 592) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 10:06:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I just did a few dialing tests and Alt+D always returned me to the
| page I was on when I started. There may be some exception. I'll
| keep my eye on it. Oh, there's no version ID up there because I
| shortened it just in case that was the problem. There has been trouble
| with different version strings -- just a while ago infact -- and I
| wanted to be sure that wasn't what was causing the Great Bug.
| We know better now of course.
|
| The fix for the Q thing is simple, just make it Alt+Q.
| Hmmm, seems to me I meant to do that here.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 593) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 10:09:07 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hey Gregy, how's about changing the page so that when you select
| a different number of messages it also automaticaly refreshes?
| Seems to me that if you do change the number shown you would
| invariably also want the refresh no?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 594) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 10:13:06 pm 
|
| ray>
| And are you ready for some hard duty? You are an epppd guy right?
| Want to be the grunt who figures out how/if my core connects with that?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 595) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 11:14:12 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Auto-refresh when "Show XX messages" is changed...???  Nah, I think I'll
| pass on that.  Why...???  Well, just now, I changed the "messages" to
| show 64 (so I can go back and catch up) BEFORE I typed anything into
| this textarea....and I do NOT want to be chasing some automagical
| occurance around past my tail....so....I have to decline...<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 596) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 11:32:09 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric....hmmmm...for me...the "easiest" is to download a .zip (or email
| with attachment)...save to HDD....delete my RAMdisk (ONLY done with a
| new version install, automagically, I also have "BATs"...<g g g>)...
| re-install my standard dir/subdir struct (new version only, also
| automagic)....copy the new version to RAMdisk, do a standard install,
| down thru "video graphics" only.  Automagic copy all my personalized
| files to the new install, then XCOPY down to my F:\ hard drive (where I
| keep all my operational versions) and GO..!!
| ...
| For CORE swap...I just save it in its proper place, unzip, and automagic
| swap it into my existing RAMdisk install.  
| ..
| All this is lightning fast, and floppies would slow things down very
| considerably..
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 597) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 11:34:39 pm 
|
| gregy>
| When I get the CD-Record going, I will have all versions/core-builds on
| one or a couple of CDs...with operational/current-interest installs and
| COREs on F:\ drive..
| ..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 598) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 11:40:23 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...."not fair"....okay...but...I've been burnt, already with several
| .."really needed" which turned out to be system-busters requiring me to
| fiddle, clutz-around and finagle my system into a contorted state,
| which state I in NO wise intend to ordinarily use....
| ...
| Plus....it's getting much too confuzed, where I can't even follow you
| and Eric, anymore...what with "keywords.cfg(?)"...changes this, changes
| that...etc..
| ...
| I will be back into testing as soon as I get these MemoryManager setups
| straightened out, and get this CDBurn working...
| ...
| Hopefully that will be soon.
| ...
| FWIW...you have a sorta-standard computer system that you can use EPPPD
| Miniterm on ....can you not...???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 599) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 11:44:02 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| re:"the thing I really need is to turn off "Q".
|
| Press 'K' Please and look for 'Q'
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 600) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 11:45:33 pm 
|
| gregy>
| FWIW2...."real soon" ... I intend to setup so that I can do dialup and
| load packetdriver from the commandline, then launch Arachne (Connection
| READY) style....
| ..then...
| I intend to try doing the same with LSPPP, and get my setups so I can
| swap back and forth between them...
| ..
| Why...???  Let us keep in mind...that our ordinary GeeDuhNewUser is
| getting their install with "dialup from Arachne" (this is still the
| optimum, easiest) .... and we need to continue to issue/support both
| EPPPD and LSPPP.....because some CAN use either one, while others can
| NOT use one or the other...
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 601) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 11:48:03 pm 
|
| gregy>
| <bump>...Glenn....<g gg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 602) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 11:48:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| As to automatically refreshingf when we change the nuber of messages
|
| No can do dude... that's a JavaShit function. {onchange() do someting}
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 603) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 11:50:55 pm 
|
| gregy>
| FWIW3....we could go toward more commonality, with EPPPD and LSPPP, if
| we made it so Arachne grabbed its DNSes (DNS1 and DNS2) from the ENVRON
| variables for both EPPPD and LSPPP.....
| ...
| That may seem like nothing, or wasted effort, but anything that makes
| different setups more-standardized cannot help but be better...if for
| nothing more than to eliminate confusion...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 604) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 11:51:40 pm 
|
| gregy>
| yeah....I KNEW that there was some, good, reason why not...<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 605) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 11:52:18 pm 
|
| gregy>
| hey...I gotta go...I'll see you all tomorrow...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 606) Tue, Feb 14, 2006 - 11:55:49 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Did that a little over 2 months ago :)))
|
| --- in atcpip.c ---
|
|   value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"NameServer",NULL);
| //!!glennmcc: Dec 12, 2005 -- add NameServer %DNS1 capability
|   if(value && strstr(value,"%")) makestr(value,getenv(&value[1]),19);
| //!!glennmcc: end
|   if(value) _add_server( &_last_nameserver, MAX_NAMESERVERS, def_nameservers
|   value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"AltNameServer",NULL);
| //!!glennmcc: Dec 12, 2005 -- add AltNameServer %DNS2 capability
|   if(value && strstr(value,"%")) makestr(value,getenv(&value[1]),19);
| //!!glennmcc: end
|   if(value) _add_server( &_last_nameserver, MAX_NAMESERVERS, def_nameservers
|
|  }//endif tcp/ip
| }
| ___________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 607) Wed, Feb 15, 2006 - 1:41:52 am 
|
| gregy>
| Excuse me...I'm not very good with C....but....do I understand that now
| Arachne gets its DNS numbers from the Environment...???...solely...??
| ...regardless of how those DNS numbers get "SET" into that ENVIRONMENT
| ..??
| ..or...alternately, that Arachne gets its DNS numbers from the ENVRON
| ..but...if the DNSnumbers are not there, then it will check in the .CFG
| file...??
| ...or...will check the CFGfile first, then go to the ENVIRONMENT...???
| ....
| hate to be stupid....but...just hadda ask.....<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 608) Wed, Feb 15, 2006 - 7:18:50 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| She still looks in the CFG exclusively.
|
| But.... You can now have this in the CFG
|
| NameServer %DNS1
| AltNameServer %DNS2
|
| Now when she looks in the the CFG, her gaze is diverted to the ENV
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 609) Wed, Feb 15, 2006 - 7:33:54 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I'm not sure that CTRL-D is such a good key combination
| for me for downloading all links. It's too easy to accidentally press
| CTRL-D instead of ALT-D when I want to dial. And as far as I know, 
| once it's started it can't be aborted.  This is especially true for
| me since one of my keyboards has the ALT key in the corner where
| my other keyboards have the CTRL key. I have never intentionally
| used that option and I wish I could just turn it off.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 610) Wed, Feb 15, 2006 - 7:35:11 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh yeah.... and since she'll use anything that begins with '%'
|
| If some other dialer/packetdriver/ip-up.bat system sets the ENV
| variables to NAMESEVER/ALTNAMESERVER or NAMESEVER1/NAMESERVER2
|
| The CFG can be setup like so...
|
| NameServer %NAMESERVER
| AltNameServer %ALTNAMESERVER
|
| NameServer %NAMESERVER1
| AltNameServer %NAMESERVER2
|
| Or whatever ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 611) Wed, Feb 15, 2006 - 7:40:05 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Are you saying that from now on DNS1 and DNS2 should
| be in LSPPP.CFG ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 612) Wed, Feb 15, 2006 - 7:55:24 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Lsppp puts them into the ENV automatically.
|
| You can now use them from the envirement if you so choose.
|
| set<enter> before dialing with Lsppp...
|
| OS=OPENDOS
| VER=7
| ARA=ON
| PATH=\;C:\1BATCH;C:\1COMMON;C:\;C:\OPENDOS;C:\1ZIP;C:\QEMM;c:\borlandc\bin;c
| OPENDOSCFG=C:\OPENDOS
| BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H7 T4
| PROMPT=$d $b $t$_[OPENDOS 7.01] $P$G
| COMSPEC=c:\command.com
| TEMP=c:\temp
|
| set<enter> after dialing with Lsppp
|
| OS=OPENDOS
| VER=7
| ARA=ON
| PROMPT=$d $b $t$_[OPENDOS 7.01] $P$G
| PATH=\;C:\1BATCH;C:\1COMMON;C:\;C:\OPENDOS;C:\1ZIP;C:\QEMM;c:\borlandc\bin;c
| OPENDOSCFG=C:\OPENDOS
| BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H7 T4
| MYIP=4.252.93.108
| REMIP=209.247.21.177
| NETMASK=0.0.0.0
| PEERMRU=1500
| DNS1=64.136.173.4
| DNS2=64.136.164.76
| COMSPEC=c:\command.com
| TEMP=c:\temp
|
| Now with the new code I put in there back in December...
| Instead of placeing the actual DNS numbers in arachne.cfg,
|
| You put %DNS1 and %DNS2 and Arachne grabs those # from the ENV that were
| placed there by Lsppp
|
| BTW,
|
| Here's a little gift for ya'
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ignore-a.zip
|
| IgnoreActive Yes kills that active tagarg ... and.. and... and...
| Ctrl+D no workie in this one. ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 613) Wed, Feb 15, 2006 - 8:49:14 am 
|
| Eric>
| Thanks, glennmcc,  I got it....I'll try it !
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 614) Wed, Feb 15, 2006 - 12:25:17 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....hmmmm....that looks good...let me ponder that...<g g g>
| ...
| FWIW....what I'm trying to get to, is to get those variables out of the
| OS/2-Dialer, poke them into the ENV, then let Arachne use them....and
| ...viola...!!!!....nirvana...!!!....Arachne will finally be using the
| OS/2 Dialer/PacketDriver....
| ..
| (you remember that I asked about A connecting to 0x69-vector, and you
| confirmed that Arachne could/would...???
| ...well...that 0x69vector is where OS/2 puts the vector for DOS-proggies
| to find it...
| ..so.....he he....all I hafta do, now is write a REXX script to extract
| and poke those values (plus MYIP and REMIP) from the OS/2Dialer log and
| it should be good....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 615) Wed, Feb 15, 2006 - 12:29:43 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Also....I can hot-swap, on-the-fly, the DNSes, without having to edit
| the .CFG file...
| ...
| Just ALT-E, SETDNS.BAT MT (or WY or ID or FR) and it'll poke new values
| into the ENV...which will be immediately used by Arachne....<g g g>
| ..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 616) Wed, Feb 15, 2006 - 2:47:42 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Yeah, I can test epppd myself but I thought since thats what you 
| use anyway you'd be a step ahead.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 617) Wed, Feb 15, 2006 - 3:58:09 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I am here right now after issueing this command line...
|
| lh c:\lne100tx\lne100tx.com -1 -a -f -s 0x69
|
| Linksys LNE100TX Fast Ethernet Adapter Packet Driver  v 1.06 (991217)
| Copyright (C) 2000 Linksys GroupAll Rights Reserved.
|
| My Options         
| Packet Driver Interrupt Number 0x69
| I/O Port 0xC400
| Hardware Interrupt Number 11
| Medium Type is 100baseTx Full Duplex
| My Ethernet Address is 00:04:5A:45:55:9D
| Packet Driver is loaded at segment C902
|
| ______________________________________________
|
|
| Confirmed as 100% positive....
| Arachne _CAN_ use a packet driver loaded at 0x69
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 618) Thu, Feb 16, 2006 - 4:35:49 am 
|
| gregy>
| yes...that's what I thought you reported before...when you tested that
| vector-address due to my earlier question.
| ..
| That, together with the DNSes being grabbed from ENV, plus the hope that
| I can find/extract/poke the DNSes/MYIP/REMIP from the OS/2dialer log,
| gives me renewed hope that I'll be able to get Arachne working using
| the OS/2 TCPIP instead of the EPPPD....
| ..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 619) Thu, Feb 16, 2006 - 8:35:39 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy, Glenn,
|
| seems Bastiaan uses epppd, and he wants to try my core to see if it
| helps the bad mail situation. Which keywords serve epppd itself?
| Seems to me most of them serve miniterm. I figure PPPusername and
| PPPpassword are for epppd. I've got to know so I can add the right
| arguments to epppd.exe and let miniterm find what it needs in the .cfg.
|
| Tx.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 620) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 7:07:49 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I dont know what your talking about in post#619.....
|
| I just dialed and connected and I am writing this
| post using Bastiaan's arachne.cfg and epppd.  I just had to
| change  his line: IP_Address PPP   to:  IP_Address %MYIP%
|
| Ray, The rest of the setup is the same I use for your core
| as setup with my SWTCHDSK.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 621) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 8:37:11 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      Your BUILD5G.ZIP core that you sent me which has the
| special error messages just locked up on me with 256 bytes read,
| when I was downloading a webpage which was not Google.  I can't
| give you the page URL since the keyboard was dead and I had to 
| use RESET to reboot....the whole address was not visible in the
| URL box. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 622) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 11:58:19 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| When we use Epppd as packet driver, core grabs all of the needed info
| from arachne.cfg and writes it into PPPDRC.CFG
|
| Epppd then grabs it from there.
|
| - my current pppdrc.cfg with miniterm as dialer and Epppd as packet driver -
|
| 115200
| irq 4
| base 0xb800
| modem
| crtscts
| asyncmap 0
| namsrv 68.22.80.3
| namsrv 209.244.0.3
| user "glennmcc@cisnet.com"
| passwd "******"
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 623) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 2:07:08 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Thanks, I wrote Bastiaan with the same suggestion "IP_Address %MYIP%"
| but it's nice to know that it is confirmed to work there.
|
| 5G locked eh? But you don't have one with the version string
| restored to the title line do you? I loose track with all these
| testing cores flying around.
|
| Glenn, 
|
| What Eric says about ends the question, however what I'm
| getting at is where the 'border' is between what mineterm needs 
| and what epppd needs since I know they have different tasks, and,
| from what I can gather, it seems that some stuff can be used by
| either programm. Eg. it seems that miniterm wants to know the 
| modem speed and so does epppd. If Bastiaan has no luck I'll forward
| your pppdrc.cfg to him and that should do it.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 624) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 2:10:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Hey, how/where is miniterm called in your settup? I figure it must
| be in your 'connect.bat' right?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 625) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 2:21:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Just finished some 'clean-up' and simplification of AuthSMTP.
|
| Check it out. ;-)
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/opt_net.gif
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/opt_pers.gif
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 626) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 2:26:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Also 'cleaned-up' opt_pers.ah
|
| Notice just above my hand-cursor in the screen cap that the <hr>s are no
| longer missaligned. ;-)
|
| Did it with just one <hr> reaching all the way across.
|
| <tr><td colspan=2><hr><tr><td>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 627) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 2:45:49 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Over on the List I noticed you signed your name "Glenn"
| with a capital "G"....I guess you forgot it's glennmcc with a small "g".
| Couldn't be the first signs of Altsheimers ? 
| BTW,  Altsheimers==F**ked up old bastard (in German)
|
| Re:  AuthSMTP stuff....looks good.....but doesn't help me tho, does it ?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 628) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 2:47:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I didn't touch the connect.bat
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 629) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 3:01:26 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  Yes, when it's working, which it sometimes isn't, the
| Arachne version is at the top in this BUILD5G.ZIP I have.
|
| What do you mean, You can't keep track of cores?  If you can't, I'll
| tell you nobody can.  When the BUILDxx.ZIP file have different
| numbers than the version numbers in the cores....I'll tell you
| I can't keep track or understand your naming/numbering systems and
| I don't think I'm alone.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 630) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 3:05:17 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| My signature file has always been that way.
|
| My sig has my 'real' first name..... my handle/nickname is glennmcc
|
| Since you did not notice that till now....
| Maybe it's _you_ who's got the F***ed-up old bastard syndrome. <ggg>
|
| -- 
|  Glenn
|  http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
|  http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
|  http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 631) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 3:12:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to the AuthSMTP stuff halping you.
|
| Nope.... the only help for you in that is to get a 'real' email provider
| instead of that JunoCrap you got now. <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 632) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 3:14:18 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     I did notice it and used to use it but you (castrated)
| I mean, castigated me for using it. <ggg>   So, now every time I 
| write your name I have to go back and small case the "g" which is
| capitalized by proper grammar rules and comes out automagically
| a capital "G" when I type.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 633) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 3:23:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     When I send email with JUNO software it always
| GETS and SENDS at the same time. I am not "logged on" to Juno
| when I do that so it has to be something in the pop3/smtp string
| that lets the smtp work.   If I could just figure out what they're
| sending I cold probably duplicate it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 634) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 3:51:01 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Whenever you are running the JUNO software ... you are logged into JUNO.
|
| That's the 1st thing it does whenb you start-up the program.
| It logs you into the JUNO network for email purposes.
|
| When you shutdown the JUNO software... it logs you back out.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 635) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 3:53:10 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| In addition, it's also possible that the JUNO software does not even
| use the POP3/SMTP protocols.
|
| It might be using IMAP for both sending and receiving.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 636) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 4:12:15 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ah ha.... I think this just might confirm that one.
|
| I just signed up for a free eamil account at http://www.bluebottle.com/
|
| I can receive email just fine via POP3 but I can't send via SMTP
|
| This little note in BlueBottle welcome message explains why.
| __________________________________________________________________________
| Please note: Some ISPs block port 25 as an anti-spam measure. If this is
| the case you will need to change the outgoing SMTP port from 25 to 587 as
| Bluebottle has specifically provided SMTP service on port 587 for this
| purpose.
| __________________________________________________________________________
|
| I tried to no avail while logged into SBC DSL and again to no avail
| while dialed into CisNet.
|
|
| Both SBC and CisNet have port 25 blocked for 'outside use'.
|
| I just now confirmed this by trying to send to 
| smtp.sbcglobal.yahoo.com:25 while logged in at CisNet ... no go.
|
| Same problem trying to send to
| mail.cisnet.com:25 while logged in at SBC DSL
|
| I'll betcha that's what's going on with yours.
|
| Your ISP has port 25 blocked for outside use.
|
| You can send via SMTP to
|
| smtp.yourprovider.com:25
|
| But you can't send to
|
| smtp.outsideprovider.com:25
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 637) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 4:13:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| BRB,
|
| I'm going to recompile core.exe to use port 587
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 638) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 4:20:19 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That was it... check this out.
|
| --- smtp.log ---
| 220 fe2.bluebottle.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.4/8.13.4; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:18:
| EHLO bluebottle.com
| 250-fe2.bluebottle.com Hello dialup-4.224.207.34.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.ne
| meet you
| 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
| 250-PIPELINING
| 250-8BITMIME
| 250-SIZE
| 250-DSN
| 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN
| 250-STARTTLS
| 250-DELIVERBY
| 250 HELP
| AUTH LOGIN
| 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6
| Z2xlbm5tY2NAYmx1ZWJvdHRsZS5jb20=
| 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6
| ************
| 235 2.0.0 OK Authenticated
| MAIL FROM: <glennmcc@bluebottle.com>
| 250 2.1.0 <glennmcc@bluebottle.com>... Sender ok
| RCPT TO: <glennmcc@cisnet.com>
| 250 2.1.5 <glennmcc@cisnet.com>... Recipient ok
| DATA
| 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
| From: "Glenn McCorkle" <glennmcc@cisnet.com>
| Organization: Arachne Fan Club
| Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:02:43 -0500
| X-Mailer: Arachne v1.89;UE10
| To: 
| Reply-To: glennmcc@cisnet.com
| Bcc: glennmcc@cisnet.com
| Subject: 
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
| Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
|
| -- 
|  Glenn
|  http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
|  http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
|  http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html
| .
| 250 2.0.0 k1HNIWwn018316 Message accepted for delivery
| QUIT
|
| ________________
|
| Now to try with SBC DSL
|
| BRB
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 639) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 4:22:07 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep... no problems at-all with port 587 instead of port 25
|
| 220 fe2.bluebottle.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.4/8.13.4; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:21:
| EHLO bluebottle.com
| 250-fe2.bluebottle.com Hello ppp-68-252-130-247.dsl.yntwoh.ameritech.net [68
| meet you
| 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
| 250-PIPELINING
| 250-8BITMIME
| 250-SIZE
| 250-DSN
| 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN
| 250-STARTTLS
| 250-DELIVERBY
| 250 HELP
| AUTH LOGIN
| 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6
| Z2xlbm5tY2NAYmx1ZWJvdHRsZS5jb20=
| 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6
| **************
| 235 2.0.0 OK Authenticated
| MAIL FROM: <glennmcc@bluebottle.com>
| 250 2.1.0 <glennmcc@bluebottle.com>... Sender ok
| RCPT TO: <glennmcc@cisnet.com>
| 250 2.1.5 <glennmcc@cisnet.com>... Recipient ok
| DATA
| 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
| From: "Glenn McCorkle" <glennmcc@bluebottle.com>
| Organization: Arachne Fan Club
| Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:21:03 -0500
| X-Mailer: Arachne v1.90;UE11
| To: 
| Reply-To: glennmcc@bluebottle.com
| Bcc: glennmcc@cisnet.com
| Subject: 
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
| Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
|
| -- 
|  Glenn
|  http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
|  http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
|  http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html
| .
| 250 2.0.0 k1HNLR6G018936 Message accepted for delivery
| QUIT
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 640) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 4:31:11 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Here's yet another posibility.
|
| according to this page at JUNO.... http://www.juno.com/support/email/auth-sm
|
| You need to set your outgoing mail server to.. authsmtp.juno.com
|
| Is that what you got ?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 641) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 4:32:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Also.......
|
| 9.In the Account name text box, type your email address
|   without @juno.com
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 642) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 4:34:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And if you have already tried that.... we gonna do a search to see if
| JUNO has some other port rather than 25 open for SMTP
|
| If they do...
| We gonna make you a 'special compile' that uses that port. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 643) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 4:36:22 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to my name vis a vi uppercase/lowercaase 'G'
|
| Call me anything you like... just don't call me late for dinner.
| (or late for the chocolate) <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 644) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 4:41:33 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Well I'll be a SOB.... it's in the RFC :)
| http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2476.html
|
|
| I'm gonna recompile to optionally use 587 instead of 25 and upload that
| sucker for ya to try. :)))
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 645) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 5:12:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Got it !!!
|
| New Arachne.cfg variable.... 'Use587 Yes/No' (defaults to 'No')
|
| --- in urlstat.c ---
|   if(!strcmpi(url->protocol,"smtp"))
| //!!glennmcc: optionally use port 587
|   {
|    char *ptr=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"Use587",NULL);
|    if(ptr && strstr(ptr,"Yes"))
|    url->port=587;
|    else
|    url->port=25;//original single line
|   }
| //!!glennmcc: end
| ____________________
|
| New 'checkbox' on Options/Internet settings'
|
| X Use alternate port #587 for SMTP
| _ (default is port #25)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 646) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 5:14:41 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
| Have a go with this baby.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/port_587.zip
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 647) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 5:16:59 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And yes... it was compiled with 'ERIC' in the DEFs
| so all of your 'special stuff' _is_ in there. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 648) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 6:01:01 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| When I say I can't keep track, alls I'm saying is I sometimes can't
| remember the very last thing I sent. The build # on the zip is
| always accurate but sometimes I forget to update the version string
| on the screen due to the number of test files being sent. Once things
| have settled down all those problems should be history.
|
| Glenn, this port switching: Would it be possible to do some
| automagical switching? Try one, if no work try another, you get me.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 649) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 6:08:38 pm 
|
| ray>
| And the numbering system seems very simple to me anyway, it's
| two characters, a number and a letter. 5G is followed by 5H.
| When I get to 5Z the next one is 6A. When I get to 9Z the oddometer
| turns over to 1A again. A while back we were, unfortunately, working
| across the turnover, thus 9L was earlier than the 5x we were also
| looking at. In case you're interested, I have 'number number' builds
| too, but you'll never see them.
|
| As to miniterm, if you are using epppd, miniterm must be being
| called somewhere.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 650) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 6:36:49 pm 
|
| ray>
| On line using epppd, thanks Glenn.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 651) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 6:48:50 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I dunno about you but this worked for me as connect.bat:
|
| miniterm.exe>PPP.LOG
| @lh epppd.exe>>PPP.LOG
| @if exist ip-up.bat call ip-up.bat
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 652) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 7:20:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Kewl.... we good to go now ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 653) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 7:24:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Automatic port switch ?
|
| Yep, that's doable.
|
| If port 587 works for Eric at JUNO ... that will be our next step.
|
| We'll eliminate the Use587 option and just have it try 25 1st and 587 2nd.
|
| If 587 also fails.... ERR_SMTP.AH
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 654) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 7:31:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Dialer @MINITERM.EXE>PPP.LOG
| Connection @call connect.bat>>PPP.LOG
|
|
| -- connect.bat ---
| @lh epppd.exe>>PPP.LOG
| @if exist ip-up.bat call ip-up.bat
| __________________________________
|
| But since IP_Address PPP does not work for Eric... this might be it instead.
|
|
| -- connect.bat ---
| @lh epppd.exe
| @if exist ip-up.bat call ip-up.bat
| __________________________________
|
|
| Without the >>PPP.LOG at the end of the epppd.exe line... the IP
| address will not get written into PPP.LOG and the will prevent
| IP_Address PPP from working.
|
| IP_Address PPP == get ip from ppp.log
|
| If did not get saved _to_ there ... can't get it _from_ there. ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 655) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 7:38:32 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Good news.
|
| Over the last couple of days,
| CAV has been helping me to find and fix some bugs.
|
| We got some stuff fixed in AuthSMTP
|
| And he just now talked me into re-enabling UseAuthSMTP.
|
| He pointed-out that we might want to disable it without deleting
| either AuthSMTPusername or AuthSMTPpassword from arachne.cfg
|
| The way I had it setup earlier today... that's the only way
| you could disable it.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 656) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 8:14:18 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Here's the latest-greatest ;-)
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/1900217b.zip
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 657) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 8:16:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Note that _my_ numbering system is a bit more logical.
|
| 1900217b.zip
| ^^^^^^^^
| v# |||||
|    date|
|        |
|        b== 2nd release of the day
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 658) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 8:17:02 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 659) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 8:18:19 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As always... delete _all_ previous versions. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 660) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 10:01:02 pm 
|
| ray>
| Clarence :-)
|
| As to 'PPP' I removed that from my core anyway.  Since the value
| originates with %myip% I can see no reason not to use that 
| directly.
|
| Hey, I like your numbering system, that is logical indeed.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 661) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 11:50:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Thanks for the compliment. :)
|
| But you _do_ realize, don't you ???
|
| I only use such a simple numbering system
| because I'm too lazy to come-up with anything more complex. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 662) Fri, Feb 17, 2006 - 11:56:46 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep, CAV is alive and well.
|
| Just sent-off to him the 6th compile in only 32hrs :))
|
| Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:34:00 -0500 <--1st
| Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:37:35 -0500 <--6th
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 663) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 8:43:26 am 
|
| ray>
| I wish he'd stop lurking about in the shadows. I figure there's
| something bugging him, too bad no one knows what it is.
|
| As too numbering systems, mine has the sole virtue that it alows
| 234 different builds to live in the same directory which facilitates
| quick comparisions when bug hunting, and that's about all it has
| going for it.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 664) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 10:09:18 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I have to appologize....I goofed....I did not have 
| epppd working.....I had a line using lsppp before the epppd
| stuff in the arachne.cfg file so that it preempted all the
| epppd lines and I was really still using lsppp. The reason
| that I could not get onto internet for so long after my ISP
| upgraded was I couldn't get epppd to work any more. Epppd
| refuses to load the packet driver for me. I've tried every
| setup I could come up with and it just refuses to work, maybe
| because my ISP uses dynamically assigned DNS.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 665) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 10:17:04 am 
|
| Eric>
| I could not Google up any really well organized description
| of how epppd works or how to set it up.  Has anyone else 
| had better luck.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 666) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 10:29:24 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    BTW,  Did you see my post about the page downloading 
| counter. You do know it is screwed up in that core in 
| BUILD5G.zip , right?   It is still working fine in this
| version 1.85:B6-b:2S
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 667) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 10:53:08 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I tried that 587 smtp core and I still could not
| send email with Arachne and Juno.com .  It did seem to try
| harder to send it, like maybe it was trying to process the
| password or something.  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 668) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 10:56:32 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   BTW, I was using the "latest and greatest" core.
| When I tried to get the core from
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 669) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 11:06:31 am 
|
| Eric>
| Continued from last post:
| glennmcc,   BTW, I was using the "latest and greatest" core.
| When I tried to get the core from post #646 , I could not
| download it, I got an error/not available.
| I also couldn't link to the faqs.org page.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 670) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 2:56:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hmmmmm, "234 different builds to live in the same directory..."
|
| 1 through 10 + a through z = 36
|
| 365 days per year * 36 = 13,140
| 366 days in leap year * 36 = 13,176
|
| <gggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 671) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 2:58:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| After connecting with Lsppp and it has grabbed the DNS numbers from the serv
|
| Alt+E and check your env with...
|
| set<enter>
|
| The DNSs _should_ be there.
|
| BRB
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 672) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 3:14:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Dialed and connected using these settings....
|
| --- arachne.cfg ---
| [profile]
| Profile 9844005L.ACF
| Connection @lsppp.exe /?>NUL
|
| [dialer]
| DialPage file:pppenhan.htm
| Dialer @lh lsppp.exe>ppp.log
|
| [tcp/ip]
| IP_Address BOOTP
| IP_Grab IP address set to
| NameServer 
| AltNameServer 
| Gateway 0.0.0.0
| AltGateway 0.0.0.0
| Netmask 0.0.0.0
| TCPconfig PPPTCP.CFG
| ___________________
|
| --- lsppp.cfg ---
| /M:at&fs7=90s11=50
| /x
| /i:4
| /b:bx800
| /d:330-984-4005
| /B:115200
| /V:60
| /U:glennmcc@cisnet.com
| /P:**********
| _________________
|
|
| --- ip-up.bat (created by lsppp.exe) ---
| set myip=4.252.90.189
| set remip=209.247.21.177
| set netmask=0.0.0.0
| set peermru=1500
| set dns1=64.136.173.4
| set dns2=64.136.164.76
| _________________
|
| --- set<enter> ---
| OS=OPENDOS
| VER=7
| ARA=ON
| PATH=\;C:\1BATCH;C:\1COMMON;C:\;C:\OPENDOS;C:\1ZIP;C:\QEMM;c:\borlandc\bin;c
| OPENDOSCFG=C:\OPENDOS
| BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H7 T4
| COMSPEC=l:\command.com
| TEMP=l:\temp
| MYIP=4.252.90.189
| REMIP=209.247.21.177
| NETMASK=0.0.0.0
| PEERMRU=1500
| DNS1=64.136.173.4
| DNS2=64.136.164.76
| OLDPMT=$d $b $t$_[OPENDOS 7.01] $P$G
| PROMPT=You are still online$_Type EXIT to return to Arachne$_$p$g
| __________________
|
|
| There they are in the ENV (placed there by ip-up.bat)
|
| Now.... I'll use these settings in arachne.cfg
|
| [profile]
| Profile 9844005M.ACF
| Connection @lh epppd.exe>>PPP.LOG <--- be sure to hae the '>>PPP.LOG'
| Hangup @termin.com 0x60>NUL        otherwise the IP won't get placed
|                                    into ppp.log and 'IP_Address PPP'
|                                    won't work which will then require
|                                    the use of 'IP_Address BOOTP' to
| [dialer]                           get your IP that-a-way.
| DialPage file:pppenhan.htm
| Dialer @MINITERM.EXE>PPP.LOG
| TerminalWindow @MINITERM.EXE
| UseTerminal No
| Port 0
| Irq 4
| Base 0xb800
| Mode 8N1
| Speed 115200
| InitString AT&fs7=90s11=50
| DialString ATDT
| PhoneNumber 330-984-4005
| Autologin No
| WaitFor1 
| Response1 
| WaitFor2 
| Response2 
| WaitFor3 
| Response3 
| PPPusername glennmcc@cisnet.com
| PPPpassword ******
|
| [tcp/ip]
| IP_Address PPP
| IP_Grab IP address set to
| NameServer 64.136.173.4     <--- DNSs taken from the ENV
| AltNameServer 64.136.164.76 <--- when using Lsppp
| Gateway 0.0.0.0
| AltGateway 0.0.0.0
| Netmask 0.0.0.0
| TCPconfig PPPTCP.CFG
|
| Now I can dial with miniterm and use epppd.exe as packet driver
| because I now know what the DNSs to place in arachne.cfg
|
| BRB
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 673) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 3:23:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Worked like a charm. :)
|
| --- new set<enter> ---
| OS=OPENDOS
| VER=7
| ARA=ON
| PATH=\;C:\1BATCH;C:\1COMMON;C:\;C:\OPENDOS;C:\1ZIP;C:\QEMM;c:\borlandc\bin;c
| OPENDOSCFG=C:\OPENDOS
| BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H7 T4
| COMSPEC=l:\command.com
| TEMP=l:\temp
| MYIP=4.131.42.69
| REMIP=209.247.21.163
| NETMASK=0.0.0.0
| PEERMRU=1500
| OLDPMT=$d $b $t$_[OPENDOS 7.01] $P$G
| PROMPT=You are still online$_Type EXIT to return to Arachne$_$p$g
| ______________________
|
| ---new ip-up.bat ---
| set myip=4.131.42.69
| set remip=209.247.21.163
| set netmask=0.0.0.0
| set peermru=1500
| ____________________
|
| --- new ppp.log ---
| MINITERM 1.65 - external dialer for PPP/SLIP drivers. (c)2000 Arachne Labs.
|
| * Reading configuration file L:\ARACHNE\ARACHNE.CFG
| * Initializing modem. Press <Esc> to abort.
| AT&fs7=90s11=50
| OK
| * Dialing 330-984-4005. Press <Esc> to abort.
| ATDT330-984-4005
| CONNECT 53333 V42bis
|
| * Leaving MINITERM and trying SLIP/PPP. Press <Ctrl>+<Pause> to abort.
| PPPD status: IP address set to 4.131.42.69
| _______________________________^^^^^^^^^^^<-- there's what we need to
|                                               use IP_Address PPP
|
| I forgot to post the ppp.log from lsppp use.... BRB
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 674) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 3:26:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hungup... redialed with lsppp.
|
| ---- ppp.log ----
| LADSoft PPP Packet Driver Ver 1.0 Copyright (c) LADSoft
| Dialing...Connecting to network...Authenticating...Negotiating IP linkage...
| Connection open
| Installed packet driver handler at vector 0x60
| PPPD status: IP address set to 4.252.91.158
| _______________________________________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 675) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 3:31:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Alt+E, edited arachne.cfg to change IP_Address BOOTP to IP_Address PPP,
| saved the changes, exited the shell back into Arachne, tried to reload
| this page..... ERROR.... oops, forgot to insert the DNS numbers. :(
|
| Alt+E, edited arachne.cfg, inserted the DNS numbers, saved the changes, exit
| the shell back into Arachne, reloaded this page and entered this post. :))
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 676) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 3:34:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| So... to use 'IP_Address PPP', 2 things are required.
|
| 1) IP address must be in ppp.log
| 2) at-least one DNS number must be in arachne.cfg
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 677) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 3:35:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Alternate way of getting the DNS numbers.....
|
| whois your_ISP
|
| BRB
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 678) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 3:50:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Works on some........
|
|      Domain Name: SBCGLOBAL.NET 
|      Administrative Contact , Technical Contact :  
|      Southwestern, Bell 
|      DNSCONTACT@SBCIS.SBC.COM 
|      1701 Alma dr
|      Plano, TX 75075 
|      US 
|      Phone: 1-877-722-3755 
|      Fax: 214-473-2253 
|      Record expires on 27-Mar-2009 
|      Record created on 27-Mar-2000 
|      Database last updated on 25-Dec-2005 
|      Domain servers in listed order:              Manage DNS 
|      NS1.PBI.NET                                  206.13.28.11     
|      NS1.SWBELL.NET                               151.164.1.1      
|      NS2.SWBELL.NET                               151.164.11.218   
|
|
| Does not work on others........
|
|    Domain Name: CISNET.COM
|    Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
|    Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
|    Referral URL: http://domainhelp.tucows.com
|    Name Server: CIS.CISNET.COM
|    Name Server: NS2.CISNET.COM
|    Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
|    Updated Date: 08-feb-2006
|    Creation Date: 21-feb-1995
|    Expiration Date: 22-feb-2007
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 679) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 3:52:43 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| RE: 664 et seq. No problemo, I got it working anyway. 
| Lsppp is best regardless, but I wanted to get epppd working so
| I could get my core working with Bastiaan.
|
| Thanks for info on the counter. Seems fine here, but you say there's
| a difference between 5G and 2S, so that must mean somethings 
| afoot, man, maybe we're still not out of the woods on debugging this.
| I'll send a core in a while with some things I think you'll like and
| see if it's still there.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 680) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 4:21:52 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Hmmmm, try agin... maybe it was down at the time you tried.
|
| http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2476.html
|
| As to not being able to get the core in the link in post 646
|
| Well, of-course not.
| As I said in post 659....
| "As always... delete _all_ previous versions. ;-)"
|
| I followed my own instructions and deleted
| port_587.zip when I uploaded 1900217b.zip
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 681) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 4:39:46 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I tried the link in post#680 to faqs.org and just now
| got "cannot make connection" page.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 682) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 4:53:44 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Did you try that link?  If I use "faq" instead of "faqs"
| I go to FAQ search main page.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 683) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 5:11:02 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| No problems getting it.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/images/faqs.gif
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 684) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 5:13:53 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  How the heck can the counter be bad for me and OK for you?
| It doesn't make sense!  I'm going to send my BUILD5G.zip
| back to you and you try it and see if the page download counter
| is OK.  Let's not forge ahead until this is resolved.  I am not
| crazy....I can see when a counter isn't working! <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 685) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 5:23:45 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   We went thru this epppd stuff when my ISP, Farmington
| Michigan Library, updated their systems.  I have DNS numbers they gave
| me and they're in arachne.cfg.  I get MYIP in the env.
| I DON'T get IP in PPP.LOG and the packet driver isn't loaded.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 686) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 5:49:07 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Here are my env variables with lsppp:
|
| TMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
| winbootdir=C:\WINDOWS
| COMSPEC=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM
| PATH=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\;C:\DOS;D:\ARACHNE
| TEMP=D:\TMP
| MYIP=10.9.11.40
| REMIP=0.0.0.0
| NETMASK=240.0.0.0
| PEERMRU=1500
| DNS1=10.10.0.4
| CORE=3r
| ARACHNETEMP=D:\TMP\
| OLDPMT=You are still online$_Type EXIT to return to Arachne$_$p$g
| PROMPT=You are still online$_Type EXIT to return to Arachne$_$p$g
|
| Here are my dns1 & 2 from arachne.cfg:
|
| NameServer 209.104.141.196
| AltNameServer 209.104.131.25
|
| I asked several times before why these don't match and no one on
| the list answered or knew what I was talking about.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 687) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 7:09:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I know why they don't match.
|
| lsppp _always_ gets the DNSs from the server if the server is capable of
| sending them.
|
| We can't even over-ride the getting of the DNS numbers from the server
| by placeing them in lsppp.cfg nor on the lsppp command line.
|
| lsppp.exe /x /i:4 /b:bx800 /d:330-423-4005 /N:68.22.80.2,68.22.80.3 /B:11520
|
|
| No-matter if we do it that way or by placeing them in lsppp.cfg
|
| lsppp.exe _always_ tries to get them from the server 1st
|
| If that fails... only _then_ does it use the /N:DNS number
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 688) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 7:10:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Lemme see your ppp.log file after dialing with lsppp
| (also when using miniterm/epppd)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 689) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 7:13:03 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh yeah, forgot to mention.
|
| lsppp.exe is not capable of reading any info from arachne.cfg
|
| That is why the DNS numbers in arachne.cfg don't match the ones you get
| when you dial using lsppp.exe
|
| epppd.exe gets the DNS numbers from pppdrc.cfg after core.exe has
| grabbed them from arachne.cfg and placed them into pppdrc.cfg
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 690) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 7:19:16 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| WHOIS Record For 10.9.11.40
| Record Type:IP Address
| OrgName:    Internet Assigned Numbers Authority 
| OrgID:      IANA
| Address:    4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
| City:       Marina del Rey
| StateProv:  CA
| PostalCode: 90292-6695
| Country:    US
| NetRange:   10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 
| CIDR:       10.0.0.0/8 
| NetName:    RESERVED-10
| NetHandle:  NET-10-0-0-0-1
| Parent:     
| NetType:    IANA Special Use
| NameServer: BLACKHOLE-1.IANA.ORG
| NameServer: BLACKHOLE-2.IANA.ORG
| Comment:    This block is reserved for special purposes.
| Comment:    Please see RFC 1918 for additional information.
| Comment:    
| RegDate:    
| Updated:    2002-09-12
| OrgAbuseHandle: IANA-IP-ARIN
| OrgAbuseName:   Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Number 
| OrgAbusePhone:  +1-310-301-5820
| OrgAbuseEmail:  abuse@iana.org
| OrgTechHandle: IANA-IP-ARIN
| OrgTechName:   Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Number 
| OrgTechPhone:  +1-310-301-5820
| OrgTechEmail:  abuse@iana.org
|
|
|
| Hmmmm, curiouser and curiouser.
|
| Now off to read RFC 1918
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 691) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 7:22:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| RFC 1918 (rfc1918) - Address Allocation for Private Internets      Arachne v
| http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1918.html                  Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:2
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
|                               RFC 1918 (RFC1918)
|
|                       Internet RFC/STD/FYI/BCP Archives
|
|   [ RFC Index | RFC Search | Usenet FAQs | Web FAQs | Documents | Cities ] 
|
|                Alternate Formats: rfc1918.txt | rfc1918.txt.pdf
|
|              RFC 1918 - Address Allocation for Private Internets
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|
| Network Working Group                                         Y. Rekhter
| Request for Comments: 1918                                 Cisco Systems
| Obsoletes: 1627, 1597                                       B. Moskowitz
| BCP: 5                                                    Chrysler Corp.
| Category: Best Current Practice                            D. Karrenberg
|                                                                 RIPE NCC
|                                                           G. J. de Groot
|                                                                 RIPE NCC
|                                                                  E. Lear
|                                                   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
|                                                            February 1996
|
|                 Address Allocation for Private Internets
|
| Status of this Memo
|
|    This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the
|    Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for
|    improvements.  Distribution of this memo is unlimited.
|
| 1. Introduction
|
| <snip>
|
| 3. Private Address Space
|
|    The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has reserved the
|    following three blocks of the IP address space for private internets:
|
|      10.0.0.0        -   10.255.255.255  (10/8 prefix)
|      172.16.0.0      -   172.31.255.255  (172.16/12 prefix)
|      192.168.0.0     -   192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix)
|
|
| <snip>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 692) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 7:24:10 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ah ha !!!!
|
| You are on a 'privte network'.
|
| And I'll betcha dollars to donuts they are running a firewall that is
| blocking your access to http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2476.html
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 693) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 7:24:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| What is the name of the ISP you are dialing into ???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 694) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 7:27:59 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As we can see from this.... DNS1=10.10.0.4
|
| Even the DNS is inside of the 'private network'.
|
| That's the other possibility other than a forewall blocking your access.
|
| If their 'private DNS' has not been updated to include the current
| IP address of www.faqs.org then you won't be able to access it.
|
| BRB
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 695) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 7:30:04 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://207.44.235.116/rfcs/rfc2476.html
|
| Now see if you can get it.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 696) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 7:36:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Never mind post 693
|
| "....my ISP, Farmington Michigan Library,"
|
| You dial-up a telephone number that connects you to the
| 'private network' at the library.
|
| So.... it's the same thing as-if you were dialed-up to AOL
|
| You connect to thier network and then their network
| is connected to the 'outside world'.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 697) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 8:40:24 pm 
|
| ray>
| Juno sux Eric :-(
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 698) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 10:16:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| It's not just JUNO that's the problem.
|
| Also gots problems with the DNS and with the ISP itself. :(
|
| But I'll bet if we keep at this, we can fix _ALL_ of those problems. :)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 699) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 10:37:40 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, sounds like you are on the case. And of course you can always
| hard code values for testing. If Eric had the compiler you could 
| just send updated atcpip.c's and have this nailed in no time.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 700) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 10:49:33 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I still can't get FAQS even when using the numbers
| address.  As far as I know, they only run protection for their
| own system as far as firewalls etc.  At least that's what they
| tell me.  And I seldom find any address I can't reach.  This
| FAQS is an exception.  They also gave me those DNS numbers you
| see from my arachne.cfg.   VVVVVVeerryy ssssstrange!  When I
| asked before about that strange DNS1 in my environment no one
| gave me an adequate answer and I just dropped the subject. I
| thought it looked like a personal number just like the IP number
| but since I did know it was supposed to match arachne.cfg  I just
| let it slide.  I bet this DNS thing is the cause for all my
| problems when the "upgrade" occurred about 1 1/2 years ago.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 701) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 11:03:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I'l betcha yer right <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 702) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 11:06:42 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Juno has nothing to do with this DNS situation.  Juno is
| only my mail box....Juno is not my ISP even tho they would like
| to be. I don't think Juno is that different from all the other
| large ISPs from what I can see.  If one of them started advertizing
| support for Linux and Dos on a large scale then the rest would 
| probably follow suite and our relative DOS haven from internet
| bugs would disappear. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 703) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 11:17:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Speaking of JUNO....
|
| Wanna try something new ?
|
| http://www.bluebottle.com/
|
| That free account I signed-up for is 100% Arachne frendly. :))
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 704) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 11:24:51 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc, Since my ISP is a library doesn't it seem strange that
| they would block access to a faq site?  That is the kind of sites
| they use to provide info when you ask the librarian questions.
| Has that site got a bad reputation for some reason?
| The library warns it's subscribers to provide their own firewall
| and virus protection when one signs up for service. The library
| says it doesn't provide email or filtering sevices which of course
| absolves them of a lot of work and liability.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 705) Sat, Feb 18, 2006 - 11:29:55 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Libraries like to advertize themselves as equal
| opportunuty disseminators of information!  Filtering is a NO-NO!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 706) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 12:08:11 am 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Filtering mitght be a no no... but obviously 'blocking' it is not,
| because they most certainly _are_ filtering this one...
| http://207.44.235.116/rfcs/rfc2476.html
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 707) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 12:08:33 am 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| 'blocking' this one I mean
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 708) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 5:29:11 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Thanks....I noticed that bluebottle ISP as you mentioned
| it before....I may try it and see how it works out.  When I had free
| library for telnet to my Greater Detroit Freenet, I really had a nice
| thing going...but...things changed and I lost my free webpage and nice
| fast UNIX internet access with free storage (only a few MB) and a lot
| of info on Dos utility programs and compression utilities, HTML info,etc.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 709) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 6:47:47 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Have you checked the core in that BUILD5G.zip that I sent
| to you last night.  I have it loaded right now and the page
| download counter sux.   It only displays the number 28872 all
| the time.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 710) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 8:54:13 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Got it and will check it out. You didn't need to send it back to me
| tho, I keep everything I send out on file. As I said before, I do
| forget what I sent last but it's all here. I build number, core size
| and core date will always guarantee that I can find it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 711) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 9:18:16 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Just ran it. Downloading 'a189gpll.zip' from Glenn's my status line
| looks like:
|
| "Reading 129Kb of 1.2 Mb at 4.3Kb/s, 3m 35 s remain"
|
| and all seems correct. There are other counting systems still in the
| code, can you give me a precise status line so that I know which one
| is causing the trouble? I want to convert all these to the one
| system and should get around to that once I'm satisfied that base 6b
| is good to go so what ever it is will probably be history anyway.
|
| I'll send a core just now with a more legible version string and
| CTRL+Q replacing 'Q' for 'get all links. No debugging code included,
| and all support files are as before, including keywords.cfg.
| BTW, while we've been debuging, I've done another pass through the
| code, saved 51K in size of sources so this core includes those 
| changes and there might just be a brand new bug or two, so keep your
| eyes open for anything. By rights this would be base7 but since
| base6b isn't done ...
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 712) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 10:06:44 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I didn't say the file downloading counter.....I said
| the page downloading counter....They are two different counters!!!
| You guys keep looking at the wrong thing!!!   The page counter
| is STUCK on 28872 bytes permanently.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 713) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 10:11:50 am 
|
| Eric>
| The page downloading counter says:   Downloading Page xxxx of xxxxxxx
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 714) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 10:17:06 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, let's stop adding more changes to the untested pile of changes 
| untill we get the known bugs completely resolved.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 715) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 10:23:21 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Tx, that is indeed one of the old style messages, might even get it
| changed today. As to the edits, it's already done ;-) and these are
| source code edits not user apparent changes. If there are new bugs
| it will be simple to isolate them ... have I ever been wrong? < GGG >
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 716) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 10:29:47 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    You had better ask yourself: "How often have I been right!"<ggg>
| The downloading page counter bug is still here in 5P and
| now the status line is all fuzzy because of overwriting. <ggg> 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 717) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 10:43:33 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  The important thing isn't the stuck counter....The worry
| is:  "What is making the counter stick? <ggg>  AND....how is that
| affecting the rest of the program....what hidden things are going
| off kilter. If you keep barrelling on with incompatible changes   
| pretty soon you will be the only one who can run your core,
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 718) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 10:57:03 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Bastiaan may not experience the improved mail handling
| benefits of your core because it is too darn hard to install.
| Way too many adjustments have to be made before it will work. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 719) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 11:02:10 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    BTW, I see nothing wrong with the "old style" page download
| counter when it works. It is compact and easy read so don't screw it
| up.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 720) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 11:12:07 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Let me congratulate you on the nice bold easy-to-read
| Arachne version number at the top of the page.  Halleluiah !!!
| But...why does it disappear when this message board is loaded? <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 721) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 11:18:54 am 
|
| Ray>
| How often have I been right? Somewhere in the order of 99.99% of the
| time. I shouldn't boast but I'm not bad at what I do. A tester only
| sees the 'surface' of a program, what I'm doing is like rebuilding a
| house while the owners are still living in it and trying not to
| disturb them to boot. As I've said, my core uses 80K less memory than
| Glenn's and that has not been achieved without pain. My editing and
| compacting of the sources is no-thing to you because you are not
| a coder, if you were you might apreciate it. Glenn is the only
| programmer I know who doesn't care about this kind of thing, most of
| us, me included, can't work in sources that were -- in the opinion
| of their author -- in gross need of a rewrite. For me, the better the
| code, the better I work, so I've gotta do what I do.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 722) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 11:19:05 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    When I'm writing a post and want to see what the version
| number is so I can copy it into the post, where is it? <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 723) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 11:25:36 am 
|
| Ray>
| You are so right about the 'issue' vis. the counter that it needn't
| even be said. OF COURSE what matters is *why* the counter is stuck.
| And it is not a trivial thing and now that I know what to look for
| I will find it. 
|
| As to imcompatible changes, there have not been any more for some
| months now and as you may have read a few days ago, I have even
| considered reversing some of them, I queried McC on his intentions
| vis defaults but he has not answered me. However, IMO even then,
| compatablility with defective software is not my first concern.
| If something is unsatisfactory I will improve it for the sakes of
| people who are more conserned with progress than combatability.
| That's my style. 
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 724) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 11:28:39 am 
|
| Ray>
| Disapear when the board is loaded?? You mean perhaps while the 
| board is being loaded? I hope it's there once loading is complete!
|
| If the former, that's due to some of my function cuts and I think
| it's not quite right, as it is now the title bar is written 
| once downloading is complete but perhaps it should show at the 
| start of downloading, what say?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 725) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 11:30:21 am 
|
| Ray>
| Ah, but you use 640x480 res. don't you?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 726) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 11:31:32 am 
|
| Ray>
| It won't show at that res because the title is too long but wasn't
| Glenn's core the same?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 727) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 11:34:29 am 
|
| Ray>
| Oh, as far as the counter is concerned, the new system was written
| by Dr. Tyc himself and it is in every way supperior to the old 
| system and it will be implemented here, that's for sure.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 728) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 11:50:30 am 
|
| ray>
| Ah, I see it shows in Glenn's core but that's because his ver string
| is shorter. Also I have it so the ver string is overwritten by the
| title if need be. Seems to me that's better but it is of course
| it's negotiable, a user prefference sort of thing.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 729) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 11:54:38 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Yes, I see that if I shrink the print with the "+" key
| then the version number appears again.....I tried the F5 key
| but I didn't try the "+" key.  I still don't trust the +/- thing
| after getting locked up before. I'm never sure if I'm using a
| fixed core for +/- or not. That's a good way to get it when it
| disappears and I'm looking for it. <ggg> 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 730) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 11:59:00 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  I find the title is seldom that important to me. I usually find
| that it's the URL box or things on the status line that are
| too long for the space and hide the part I want to read. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 731) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 12:05:46 pm 
|
| ray>
|
| Well, it's quite open to change. Most of users of my core are
| local types here, family friends, who are just 'sheep' their 
| opinions aren't given on stuff like this -- poor dumb refugees
| from M$ who haven't learned to think for themselves yet. With
| Vladimir gone, I just don't have a quorum of opinions on stuff
| like this, but when I do, believe me, majority will rule.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 732) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 12:10:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| I think the +/- stuff should be OK now. Or, put it another way,
| I'd *like* to know it is ;-)
|
| I have a first step change to MHTs counter system in place and it's
| fine here. Want to give it a go? Nice thing about this is that
| all download messages are handled by the same function and so
| the 'look and feel' of the display can be changed for all downloading
| messages in one place at one time. Personaly I don't like the
| look and feel of the message as it is now, what I do like is that
| the code is robust, informative and not buggy.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 733) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 12:32:44 pm 
|
| ray>
| About the title, it seems that the consesus, more or less is indeed
| that the title is unimportant. I don't have any great affection for
| it myself, it's just that it seems a bit premature to cut it out.
| Mind, if we had some wiz-bang better use for the space that would
| be different.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 734) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 12:37:21 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Please don't tell me what I appreciate about coding.<ggg>
| I have written all the programs I use for making and recording
| my telephone calls and writing my checks and other things I
| do on computer. And I have been doing it for twenty to twenty five 
| years. I think I appreciate more about coding than you realize. <ggg>
| Programming is just not my job and I have never had any formal
| training in computer languages. I have however read many books
| and have many reference books I use when I need them. I was writing
| programs when I only had 16 K of RAM and the program was stored and
| run on tape cassetts.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 735) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 12:45:27 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  IMHO, I just like to see the Arachne version and give it
| precedence over the title.  If I really felt I was missing something
| important in the title then I'd press F4 and see what I was missing.
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 736) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 12:59:48 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   It depends what is downloading as to what is important
| to see.   I like the status display better back in versions around
| 1.71 I think.  I could read the names of downloading images and
| such in those versions.  The way it displays now file names are
| usually cut off or hidden.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 737) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 1:38:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| Ctrl+Q is already used.
|
|     F7 
| Search in page 
| Also: Ctrl+Q
| or / (slash)
|
| That's why I changed mine to Ctrl+D (it was not already used)
| and... and... and.... Ctrl+D == Download all links.
| 'D for download' == 'logical'
|
| Where is the logic in 'Q' as it relates to Downloading things ???
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 738) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 2:07:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| With respect to your cleamning-up of the SRC code.
|
| Yes, I do agree with you 100% that all of the changes and all of the
| cleaning you have done _has_ been needed.
|
| And I'd like to take this oportunity to give you my most heart-felt
| THANK YOU !!! for all of hard work you have put into this project.
|
| However, I must point-out that after more than 2years since your project
| began your builds have yet to reach 'release status'.
|
| During that same time period, 8 releases have been made which include
| changes made by...(clipped from about.htm)
| GPL Contibutors:
| Joe da Silva, Ray Andrews, Christof Lange, Andrej Cuckov,
| Michal Tyc, Vladimir B. Merlichenko, Laaca, Glenn McCorkle 
|
| All of these changes which ended-up in thre release package were made
| in the original 'un-cleaned' SRC code.
|
| So, even though the clean-up _is_ needed... it has a llllooooonnnnggg
| way to go before it reaches the point where it is ready for public release.
|
| Please don't get me wrong.... I don't mean any of that as a 'cut-down'.
|
| It's just a simple statement of fact and that's all.
|
| Here's another fact....
| Was recently looking through some stuff from 2yrs ago just after you
| began working on this project.
|
| I have just now uploaded a file you wrote that EVERYONE needs to read.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/base1.txt
|
| Sir.... I agree 100% with everythng you said in there.
|
| And again I say.... THANK YOU !!!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 739) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 2:12:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh yeah.... Yes, I _do_ care about clean code. ;-)
|
| It's just that I am too damned impatient to wait.
| So, I just keep forging on ahead in the dirty code. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 740) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 2:15:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh and visa vis 'defaults'
|
| I like 'em just the way they are.
|
| Most of 'em that-is ;-)
|
| I'll get you a full list of my opinion in the next couple of days.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 741) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 2:26:30 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| re: post 726
|
| Nope... mine ain't the same. <g>
|
| In mine, the title gets shortened if need be
| but the version info is 100% unyeilding.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/images/title_vs_version.gif
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 742) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 2:32:37 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I agree with glennmcc on CTRL-Q. I need that for search and
| I use it all the time.  Of course, I see no use for download all
| links anyway. It just gets started and will not stop till finished
| and ties up my computer. As far as I'm concerned you can just shut
| it off entirely. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 743) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 2:36:59 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to the title being of any great importance.
|
| With 99% of pages on the web (this one included),
| the title duplicates the 'heading' of the page itself.
|
| <head><title>DOS Testers1 Message Board</title>
| <tr><td><h1>
| <a href="">Arachne</a>
| DOS Testers1 Message Board
| </h1>
|
| IMO, in almost all cases <title> is both redundant and unneeded.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 744) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 2:41:11 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| <bump>
|
| Hi Eric
|
| </bump>
|
| As to "shut it off entirely"
|
| In those compiles I make using the 'ERIC' define......
|
| #ifndef ERIC
| //!!glennmcc: Feb 12, 2005 -- at the request of Michal H. Tyc
|    else if(key==0x2004)//Ctrl+D
| // else if(asc=='Q')
|    {
|     if(!ProcessLinks(1))
|     {
|      Piip();
|      return 0;
|     }
|     arachne.target=0;
|     return gotoloc();
|    }
| #endif //ERIC
|
|
| That's it... when 'ERIC'.... she no workie. <g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 745) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 3:06:18 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    About the +/- resolution stuff the - still screws things
| up because it takes one back to the VIDEO SETUP stuff thru a series
| of confusing error messages and you loose whatever you were trying
| to change the resolution for ! <ggg>  And unless your a coder the
| user wonders what's going on and what should I do?  And instead
| of returning after you set the video it tries to lead you thru
| the complete setup procedure again. Any average user would be
| totally confused and irritated.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 746) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 3:08:24 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Yes....I likeeee the NO WORKEEEE !  <gggg>  Thanks!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 747) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 3:23:46 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    RE: page overlap/distortion ....
| You should cycle thru the different page layouts in low resolution
| with F5....the bottom and the top get scrunched up....sometimes top
| and sometimes bottom.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 748) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 3:31:41 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    RE: +/-     Too many presses on - also disturbs the connection
| to the internet.   It doesn't hang up but it goes off line and
| ALT-D is required to put it back on line and it is very confusing
| to average user even if he ever figures it out.  My bet is that
| there is also some nibbling on the memory occuring inconspicuously.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 749) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 3:39:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| If I'm not mistaken, weren't we able to determine
| that it's the 640x400 res that's causing your problems ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 750) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 3:48:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep, that was it.... if 'ERIC' ... 640x400 no workie. <ggg>
|
| --- in guidraw.c ---
|
|   else if(minus)
|   {
|    if(ptr[1]=='E')//E==1024x768x256c
|     ptr[1]='C';//C==800x600x256c
|    else if(ptr[1]=='C')
|     ptr[1]='B';//B==640x480x256c
| #ifdef HICOLOR
|    else if(ptr[1]=='K')//K==1024x768xHiColor
|     ptr[1]='J';//J==800x600xHiColor
|    else if(ptr[1]=='J')
|     ptr[1]='I';//I==640x480xHiColor
| #endif
| #ifndef ERIC
|    else if(!strncmpi(arachne.graphics,"VESA.B",6))
|     ptr[1]='X';//X==640x400x256c
| #endif
|   }
|   graphicsinit(arachne.graphics); // XLOPIF SVGA GRAPHICS
|  }
| _______________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 751) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 4:31:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| RE: 737: Yeah, forget CRTLQ as a duplicate for F7 who needs it?
| In the short term Q >>> CTRLQ just seems easier to remember. In the
| long term I think the whole keyboard needs a rethink. I have
| no commitment to CTRLQ that's for sure.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 752) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 4:39:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| RE: 738 No insult taken, I'm playing a very long term game here.
| But I still have no intentions of making a full release any time
| soon, too much duplication of effort, but I already have the better
| core and would like to see it get some play. As to the sources,
| I don't think I'll do another 'end to end', from now on it's 
| edit as needed. At some point stability becomes a greater 
| asset than whatever benifits might accrue from more editing.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 753) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 4:43:12 pm 
|
| ray>
| RE: defaults, I'l appreciate that list. I think I should
| resynch with you on those, the 'improvements' are not worth the
| bother to users, and the mice don't like it neither ;-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 754) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 4:49:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I cycle through all res and all styles with no problem of any 
| kind, Glenn might have the answer on this. '-' should go no
| lower than 640x480 IIRC. Are you getting down to 640x400?
|
| And 'CTRL-D' it is then ;-)
| Let me just go an do that.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 755) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 5:04:36 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oppps, 640x480 is the minimum for hicolor modes, but 640x400 is
| ok with lo color. Using it now, no problems with changes or 
| styles. Eric, could this be some problem with your card?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 756) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 5:12:02 pm 
|
| ray>
| And, it seems to me that if you try a screen or res change while
| on line, it might very well crash something since these opperations
| take time, and if an interupt happens during that time, she will
| have trouble almost for sure, right?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 757) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 5:14:08 pm 
|
| ray>
| Mind I can do it here no problem, but on the 486 it might be
| too long.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 758) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 5:15:38 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Is Glenn's core more tolerant of res changes while on line than
| mine? If so, there's a good reason for it, and I know what it is.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 759) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 5:32:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn, Of course that res could be blocked but OTOH what use is it?
| Does anyone realy need 640x400? I don't like your blocker code,
| but maybe it is the right answer here after all.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 760) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 6:36:24 pm 
|
| Eric>
| RE: post 754
| Ray,   NO,  It's  ALT-D that puts it back on line.  NOT  CTRL-D !
|
| Are you smokin' sumpin' ?  <ggggg> 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 761) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 7:10:04 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| I'm a happy camper ;-)
|
| http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ArachneDevelopment/message/2135
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 762) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 8:35:08 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Try this page with 'HTTPKeepAlive Yes'
| http://www.ddindia.gov.in/Homepage/
|
| 'Bad Request'
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 763) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 8:35:35 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Now try again with this new compile of core.exe
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190-0219.zip
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 764) Sun, Feb 19, 2006 - 8:42:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| You might need to hit 'R' to reload the page after getting sent to
| the 'freshly modified' ERR_OPEN.AH that's also included in that ZIP file.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 765) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 4:56:58 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| 190-0219.zip deleted...... New 'beta version' ready. ;-)
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190-0220.zip
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 766) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 5:01:01 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Includes all of this stuff...
|
| Archive:  /190-0220.ZIP
|  Length   Method    Size  Ratio   Date   Time   CRC-32    Name
| --------  ------  ------- -----   ----   ----   ------    ----
|        0  Stored        0   0%  02-20-06 18:38  00000000  SYSTEM/
|   440176  Defl:X   185537  58%  02-20-06 18:20  83d6d5fa  CORE.EXE
|     9654  Defl:X     1362  86%  01-06-06 12:35  7bed2d9f  FONTSIZE.HTM
|     1910  Defl:X      802  58%  01-23-06 18:02  daabecab  IDXFAST.HTP
|    83408  Defl:X    36048  57%  01-23-06 17:56  65c7ee87  INSIGHT.EXE
|    11093  Defl:X     4445  60%  02-14-06 00:04  7b77aa0a  KEYWORDS.TXT
|    17294  Defl:X     4944  71%  02-19-06 21:43  51da00aa  MIME.CFG
|      187  Defl:X      111  41%  02-15-06 22:14  a9e2799d  RSS2HTM.BAT
|    28272  Defl:X    16647  41%  02-06-06 21:09  6d6e5764  WWWMAN.EXE
|        0  Stored        0   0%  02-20-06 18:38  00000000  SYSTEM/GUI/
|        0  Stored        0   0%  02-20-06 18:38  00000000  SYSTEM/PKTDRVRS/
|      961  Defl:X      515  46%  02-19-06 21:56  633502e8  SYSTEM/GUI/ERR_OPE
|      899  Defl:X      509  43%  01-05-06 18:24  e62ed2f8  SYSTEM/GUI/ERR_POP
|     1159  Defl:X      651  44%  01-05-06 18:24  f96698e2  SYSTEM/GUI/ERR_PPP
|     1641  Defl:X      731  56%  02-20-06 18:32  8a4ca113  SYSTEM/GUI/OPT_MIN
|    21448  Defl:X     4331  80%  01-27-06 16:09  cac7498d  SYSTEM/GUI/OPT_MIS
|     7021  Defl:X     2114  70%  02-17-06 20:36  18d025d9  SYSTEM/GUI/OPT_NET
|     7429  Defl:X     2421  67%  02-17-06 20:39  9a5a8669  SYSTEM/GUI/OPT_PER
|        0  Stored        0   0%  02-20-06 18:38  00000000  SYSTEM/PKTDRVRS/DS
|     2937  Defl:X     1538  48%  02-05-06 15:52  ff4af6d4  SYSTEM/PKTDRVRS/DS
| --------          -------  ---                            -------
|   635489           262706  59%                            20 files
|
| _______
|
| To try the included rss2htm,
|
| Grab this too.... http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/download/psearch.zip
| (unzip both files using -d option to rebuild the dir structure)
|
| If psearch ends-up anywhere other than c:\psearch\
| arachne_main\rss2htm.bat will need to modified to point to where you put it.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 767) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 5:03:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh yeah,
|
| With everything in 190-0220.zip and psearch.zip
|
| You now have everything I have, visa vis v1.90;GPL,386+
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 768) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 5:07:33 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Here's a link to try rss2htm with....
|
| http://www.nasa.gov/rss/ (several links to rss feeds)
|
| http://www.nasa.gov/rss/image_of_the_day.rss (direct link to rss feed)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 769) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 5:16:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| I see Gregy's gone AWOL again, just when there's 
| something dirty and dangerous to do ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 770) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 5:21:19 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| He must have a 6th sense about this stuff.
|
| He always seems to go AWOL just before a new test version comes out.
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 771) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 5:27:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oops, just found that I forgot to include the lines for rss2htm in the
| copy of mime.cfg in 190-0220.zip
|
| application/rss+xml RSS>HTM|@call rss2htm.bat $1 $2
| application/xml RSS>HTM|@call rss2htm.bat $1 $2
| text/xml RSS>HTM|@call rss2htm.bat $1 $2
|
| ZIP file now updated.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 772) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 6:50:49 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Give us a download with everything in it or I'm going to
| start spelling your name with "R" !!   <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 773) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 7:01:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As I said......"ZIP file now updated." <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 774) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 7:22:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| What? "Rlenn" ?? <ggg>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 775) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 7:27:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Good point... 
|
| And since my 'handle is my first name combined with the 1st 3 letters of
| my last name (all in lowercase)....
|
| If Ray starts sending complete files, he would be "rayand" ????
|
| Or If 'Ray' is actually the shortened version of "Raymond" ....
|
| 'raymondand'
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 776) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 7:42:10 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh, and about gregy being AWOL....
|
| He _was_ around yesterday morning and left a couple of posts on his own
| misc board.
|
| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/brd/misc/mindex.php
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 777) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 7:58:35 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   So....the ZIP file is updated.....where's the link ???
| <gggg>
|
| Ray,     No, not Rlenn.....that's where Hank Hill lives...down Tx way.
| It would be Rglennmcc......kind of rolls off your tongue, don' it ?
| ......Rglennmcc from Rohio...Rusa.....<ggg> (Boy, that's hard to say)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 778) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 8:00:56 pm 
|
| Eric>
| BTW,    that's pronounced  Our glennmcc !   <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 779) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 8:13:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hmmm, check-out these stats.
|
| 1) ar181 1605 (Feb 16, 2005 to Mar 06, 2005) -- 1605 / 18  == 89.2 per day
| 2) ar187 1345 (Oct 30, 2005 to Nov 20, 2005) -- 1345 / 21  == 64.4 per day
| 3) ar189 4780 (since Nov 27, 2005)           -- 4780 / 84  == 56.9 per day
| 4) ar179 2472 (Dec 25, 2004 to Feb 16, 2005) -- 2472 / 47  == 52.6 per day
| 5) ar183 5417 (Mar 06, 2005 to Jul 27, 2005) -- 5417 / 143 == 37.9 per day
| 6) ar185 3334 (Jul 27, 2005 to Oct 30, 2005) -- 3334 / 96  == 34.8 per day
| 7) ar175 5793 (Mar 20, 2004 to Oct 01, 2004) -- 5793 / 181 == 32.0 per day
| 8) ar177 2729 (Jun 26, 2004 to Dec 09, 2004) -- 2729 / 165 == 16.5 per day
|
| Making v1.89 the 3rd most popular version.
| (base on hits/day)
|
| And it has been steadily climbing in the stats.
|
| It will most likely move to #2 during the next mont or so.
|
| Now re-ordering the list based upon total number of hits and still keep its
| order-number from the above list....
|
| 7) ar175 5793 (Mar 20, 2004 to Oct 01, 2004) -- 5793 / 181 == 32.0 per day
| 5) ar183 5417 (Mar 06, 2005 to Jul 27, 2005) -- 5417 / 143 == 37.9 per day
| 3) ar189 4780 (since Nov 27, 2005)           -- 4780 / 84  == 56.9 per day
| 6) ar185 3334 (Jul 27, 2005 to Oct 30, 2005) -- 3334 / 96  == 34.8 per day
| 8) ar177 2729 (Jun 26, 2004 to Dec 09, 2004) -- 2729 / 165 == 16.5 per day
| 4) ar179 2472 (Dec 25, 2004 to Feb 16, 2005) -- 2472 / 47  == 52.6 per day
| 1) ar181 1605 (Feb 16, 2005 to Mar 06, 2005) -- 1605 / 18  == 89.2 per day
| 2) ar187 1345 (Oct 30, 2005 to Nov 20, 2005) -- 1345 / 21  == 64.4 per day
|
| v1.89 is still in 3rd place and should still move to 2nd in...
|
| 5417 - 4780 = 637 / 56.9 == 11 days (even if hits/day does not increase)
|
| 5793 - 4780 = 1013 / 56.9 == 18 days to reach 1st place in number of hits.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 780) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 8:14:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Where's the link to the updated ZIP ????
|
| In post #765
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 781) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 8:24:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Post to this board as-of end-of-day yesterday.....
|
| 764 / 19 == 40.2 per day.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 782) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 9:54:29 pm 
|
| ray>
| Love the stats. 
| raymondand ... hmmm, like it but it would be too hard to spell,
| even raymond gave me trouble ;-)
|
| Hey Eric, those problems with the download counter, is it still
| there using a different screen res? Maybe that's part of the 640x400
| glitch. I'm moving my whole code over to the 'progress' system 
| anyway but it would be nice to know, because I can't duplicate
| any problems with the counter as it is now. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 783) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 10:53:46 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I don't understand it.....the counter doesn't work in any
| resolution....I tried it.   You have to have a big enough page to see
| it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 784) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 10:54:53 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   The counter was stuck refreshing this page. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 785) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 10:57:43 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    And of course you already know that the time on line thingy
| is registering negative time.....that has been right along. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 786) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 11:02:28 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    RE: link to 1.90 beta  .... thanks for making us go back...
| I'm recording that in my little black book.  <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 787) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 11:43:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hey dude... a smartass question begets a smartass reply. <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 788) Mon, Feb 20, 2006 - 11:47:13 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| D/L counter in my compile for this page...
|
| Downloading page (nnnn bytes read)...
|
| Counts up by 1000s
|
| 1000 ... 2000... 3000.... etc...etc...etc..
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 789) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 12:06:16 am 
|
| gregy>
| "I see Gregy's gone AWOL again, just when there's 
| something dirty and dangerous to do ;-)"
|
| "He must have a 6th sense about this stuff.
|
| He always seems to go AWOL just before a new test version comes out.
| <gggg>"
|
| hmmmmm......well.......yes...!!!!  I resemble that...!!!...<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 790) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 12:08:08 am 
|
| gregy>
| I have about 17 different things I'm trying to do, here, all at once...
| ...and I find that I can't anymore "Fly faster than a speeding bullet"
| or "Leap tall buildings at a single bound".....so...
| ...
| hey...!!!
| ...
| Sometimes I'll be sorta invisible....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 791) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 12:10:39 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn.....I d/led the 190-beta.zipfile.....now, I assume that this
| will "xcopy" right over a 1.87 or 1.89 version...????
| ...
| FWIW...I wiped the 1.89 version, after it "failed" due to some "default"
| not "default-standard"....so...I'm using the 1.87....
| ..
| I'd actually like to get the 1.89 installed and running, again...
| ...
| ..but...I'm not gonna redo all my .ACFs and CFGs....just to do that
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 792) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 12:13:41 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Start with v1.89 ... xcopy 190-0220 files .... == v1.90;GPL,386+
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 793) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 12:15:47 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Keep you .ACFs and .CFGs as-is.
|
| Just go through _all_ of the various setup screens so that you can
| take advantage of all of the added/changed CFG variables.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 794) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 12:19:52 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| The one real major change in 1.90 is the 'auto-disabling' of keepalive when
| we would have received a 'bad request' from a site hosted on MS-IIS servers.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 795) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 12:22:53 am 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| All of these URL give "Bad Request" in v1.89 and below when keepalive is ena
|
| This new v1.90 loads all of them perfectly by auto-disabling keepalive
| if it was enabled when the link was taken.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 796) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 3:28:04 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     Is "keepalive"  default "YES"  so it doesn't appear
| in the arachne.cfg
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 797) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 3:44:38 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   tried 190 beta on "Bad Request" URL and got error page
| could not connect.....pressed R and it connected OK. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 798) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 4:15:23 am 
|
| gregy>
| okay, Glenn....I'll install the 1.89 tomorrow.....thanks...
| ...(and add the 1.90beta, too)..
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 799) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 4:17:30 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric....Re: Glenn's previous posts on that KeepAlive feature....that is
| the new way it is now supposed to react...
| ...
| Glenn can correct me, if I'm wrong...
| ..
| ...but...it beats the heck out of having to edit the .CFG, THEN "R"
| to reload...
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 800) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 8:43:12 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,         RE: KeepALive ...I did seem to work.....I'm just
| confirming with glennmcc if the way it worked is the way he planned.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 801) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 9:26:21 am 
|
| Eric>
| Guys,    Did you all see the post on Gregy's misc board about
| the cell phone accident ??    Clutching a cell phone doesn't
| help keep your arm in the car when your rolling over, it seems.
| However,  seatbelts can save your life, even if you get a little
| traumatized while tumbling over and over in a vehicle. Not wearing
| a seat belt is like playing hockey without wearing a hard cup, only
| more dangerous. At least she didn't hit anyone else!
|
| As Red Green says: "Keep your stick on the ice !" and may I add....
| BOTH hands on the steering wheel!  You may still have an accident...
| but.....it might save your arm! 
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 802) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 10:35:35 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,      RE: RSS     I get page overlapping at the bottom
| of this page:
|
| http://www.abc.net.au/tv/guide/highlights/s1028301.htm
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 803) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 10:51:43 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     Clicked on "xml box" at bottom of this page and Arachne
| went into some kind of a download loop.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 804) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 10:54:01 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    BTW, using 1.90 Beta (0220)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 805) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 3:30:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Did you grab the updated mime.cfg ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 806) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 3:35:12 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| It won't work correctly is these 3 lines aren't at the top of mime.cfg
|
| ;For conversion to supported format is used macro "ext1>ext2|command",
| ;for calling external viewer macro "extension|command". See syntax rules
| ;(at the end of this file.)
| ;--------------------------------------------------------------------------
| application/rss+xml RSS>HTM|@call rss2htm.bat $1 $2
| application/xml RSS>HTM|@call rss2htm.bat $1 $2
| text/xml RSS>HTM|@call rss2htm.bat $1 $2
|
| Also... you mast have rss2htm.bat in your arachne_main dir and PS.EXE
| must be located here.... C:\PSEARCH\PS.EXE
|
| --- rss2htm.bat ---
| c:\psearch\ps.exe l:%1 /T:"</link" /CT:"'" /T:"link>" /CT:a href=' /NP
| c:\psearch\ps.exe l:%1 /T:"<description>" /CT:"_" /T:"</description>" /CT:"<
| :end
| copy l:%1 l:%2
| __________________
|
| If you placed it somewhere else, edit rss2htm.bat to point to where it is.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 807) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 3:37:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Also edit the BAT to point to your drive spec of where arachne_drive is.
|
| Mine is on drive l:
|
| c:\psearch\ps.exe l:%1 /T:"</link" /CT:"'" /T:"link>" /CT:a href=' /NP
| c:\psearch\ps.exe l:%1 /T:"<description>" /CT:"_" /T:"</description>" /CT:"<
| __________________^<--- edit to indicate your arachne_drive
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 808) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 3:48:13 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to your Q in post 796 ...
|
| Yes, HTTPKeepAlive defaults to YES when the line is not in arachne.cfg
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 809) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 4:36:08 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,      What is this PS.EXE?   I don't find it in your ZIP.
| I didn't see you mention it before.
| I checked the rest and it's all there from your ZIP.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  810) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 4:43:16 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| No didn't know about the negatives on the online timer, that's
| most strange. Could it be an overflow? How long do you stay online
| for any given session, more or less? If it starts up that way
| we have another bleeding non-duplicatable error :( As to the other
| counter, give me a couple of days and I'll have the conversion done.
| This is all very robust code, so if it misbehaves over there too,
| it's gotta be wierd. But I have no idea how such a thing could
| happen unless it's something to do with free space or such.
| (Oh, and if it's still bad over there, yes, I will duplicate your
| install on the 486 *including* directories <;-)
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 811) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 4:43:32 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| from post 766...
|
| To try the included rss2htm,
|
| Grab this too.... http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/download/psearch.zip
| (unzip both files using -d option to rebuild the dir structure)
|
| If psearch ends-up anywhere other than c:\psearch\
| arachne_main\rss2htm.bat will need to modified to point to where you put
| it.
|
| And then in 767...
|
| Oh yeah,
|
| With everything in 190-0220.zip and psearch.zip
|
| You now have everything I have, visa vis v1.90;GPL,386+
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 812) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 5:25:54 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,       Grabbed psearch.zip.....RSS works....no loop 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 813) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 5:40:08 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      Negatives in online timer is old stuff.....been there as long
| as I can remember......and I don't have altzheimers.....yet !! <ggg>
| No, of course it doesn't start that way.....develops with time.....how
| much time.......who knows...I don't....more than an hour I'm pretty
| sure. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  814) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 5:47:11 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I don't know why your playing with counter conversion before
| you know why this one is stuck !!!   That's how we get into these deep
| mucky-mucks.  Seems like your trying to create a puzzle. <ggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  815) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 6:17:16 pm 
| URL
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     I couldn't load this page....got error page....pressed
| R and got error page again. <ggg>
|
| http://abcnews.go.com?lid=ABCCOMMenu&lpos=ABCNews/
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 816) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 6:33:09 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I'm playing with it because it's bad code and I was going to replace
| it anyway so I may as well try to avoid debugging something that's
| being scrapped in any case. I doubt the conversion will fix the 
| problem but it just might so it's worth a try. There's little chance
| of any big muckup because this stuff is just display code, nothing
| deep or heavy.
|
| As to the negative, beware the words 'of course', it is far from
| obvious when that neg. would start to show. Please keep me informed
| if you can come up with more exact info on that because it could
| help pinpoint the problem. I'm guessing that what's going on is that
| for some reason the date/time stamp on your 'ppp.log' is not being
| set correctly. The timer works by subtracting the time of the
| ppp.log from the current time. Since ppp.log is created when we
| go on line, the above subtraction should give the time on line.
| But if your system timer is wunky or if ppp.log is not being
| timestamped properly, the online timer will show something strange.
| That's about the only reason it could be.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 817) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 6:36:20 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ok, 'send mail' is converted, you get the 'time remaining' and
| upload speed indicators, and it save a few bytes in the bargin.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 818) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 6:39:02 pm 
| URL
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,      Went to this page and pressed INSERT to load images
| and arachne went into a download loop.
|
| http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1645984
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 819) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 6:42:17 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Ah HA !!! We got it now !!! :))
|
|  //HTTP/1.0 Connection: Keep-Alive rules according to RFC2068:
|  //
|  if(!cache->knowsize || !willkeepalive)
|  {
|   sock_keepalive[socknum][0]='\0';
|  // printf("[keepalive disabled]");
|  }
|  else
|  {
|   closing[socknum]=0;
|  // printf("[keepalive enabled]");
|  }
|
| //!!glennmcc: Feb 19-21, 2006 -- try again without keepalive
| //MS-IIS says... "Bad Request"
| //TUX erroneously says... "Not Found"
| //(a 'real' 404 not found will have the date)
| //therefore, "Not Found" without a date == TUX refused keepalive
|
| if(http_parameters.keepalive &&
|    (strstr(p->buf,"Bad Request") ||
|     (strstr(p->buf,"Not Found") && !strstr(p->buf,"Date:"))
|    )
|   )
|   {
|    http_parameters.keepalive=0;
|    return 0;
|   }
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 820) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 6:45:43 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Your your own tester on send mail.....I can't do that here.<ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 821) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 6:52:13 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Yep... I found that bug too. :(
|
| Killed it in 190-0221.zip :))
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 822) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 6:58:29 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,       The time stamp on ppp.log(or any file) is not in 24 hr time
| so that is an erroneous basis for calculation in the first place
| for time on line. Also no consideration for day change?? <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 823) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 7:00:22 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| As to post 815....
|
| It's a 'bad URL' therefore just as ERR_OPEN.AH says .....
|
|  Can't open connection
|
| And in this case it's due to one of those less likely causes.....
|
|     Less likely, but still possible causes....
| _ remote host cannot be accessed
|
|
| This is the correct URL.........
|
| http://abcnews.go.com/?lid=ABCCOMMenu&lpos=ABCNews/
| _____________________^<-- the '/' was missing from the link in post 815
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 824) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 7:13:56 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| The way it works is a bit strange: All times on the computer 
| are calculated via seconds elapsed since Jan 1 1970. That's right,
| seconds. Formating for hours, minutes days etc. is not 
| involved in the online timer, just the differential of seconds
| from 1970. But ... if this negative doesn't show up at first, that
| theory is dead anyway, if it was correct, the neg would be there
| right away. I almost never leave my machine connected for any
| length of time, I'll leave it connected now for an hour or so and
| let's see what I see, could be a simple string formatting error.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 825) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 8:10:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| she's one hour and two minutes now and looks ok.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 826) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 8:54:16 pm 
|
| ray>
| 1:44 and all ok. What could that be?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 827) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 8:55:09 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ah, progress system now in html.c :-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 828) Tue, Feb 21, 2006 - 9:13:36 pm 
|
| ray>
| G'nite gentlemen.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 829) Wed, Feb 22, 2006 - 2:53:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK, done with bug-fixes and 'major mods' for now.
|
| New project:
|
| Make that 'list of defaults' for Ray. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 830) Wed, Feb 22, 2006 - 4:01:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK, Ray...
|
| Here are my recommendations.
| (which of-course are open for debate) ;-)
|
| [dialer]
| DialPage file:ppp_init.htm
| TerminalWindow @MINITERM.EXE
| UseTerminal No
| Autologin No
|
| [tcp/ip]
| IP_Address PPP
|
| [mail]
| KeepOnServer No
| UseSignature Yes
| SignatureFile SIGN.TXT
| MailEncoding MIME
| MailSortOrder DateRcv
| NoHELO No
| KillSent Yes
| MailIdxTemplate idxhead.htp
| MyCharset ISO-8859-1
| MailBodyEncoding 7bit
|
| [internet]
| UseProxy No
| HomePage http://home.arachne.cz/
| SearchPage http://www.google.com/search
| SearchEngine http://www.google.com/search?q=
| AcceptCharset ISO-8859-1,*
|
| [system]
| Cache2TEMP No
|
| [misc]
| Logo 12000
| LoadImages No
| Frames No
| JPEGargs -bmp
| FILEargs -d
| RefreshDelay 60
| ScreenSaver 10
| ScreenSaverStyle R
| ScreenSaverColors 1
| ESC Ignore
| F3key file:*.htm
| AutoF3key Yes
| BigFont No
| ScrollBarSize 10
| ScrollBarStyle Arachne
| Colors 11 0
| MouseColors 15 10
| VirtualScreen 0
| ScreenMode Auto
| SmoothScroll Yes
| ScrollStep 50
| BgColor #000000
| Text #FFFFFF
| Link #00FF00
| Background NUL
| ExitOnHangup No
| ASCIIwidth 80
| HTMLtext #000000
| HTMLbgColor #C4C4C4
| HTMLlink #0000C4
| AltTab No
| EditHotlistEntry Yes
| Autodial Yes
| UseCID Yes
| UseCDescr Yes
| AltSysFont 0
| Index *.htm
| FontShift 0
| Multitasking Yes
| XMS4allGIFs 4096
| XMS4oneGIF 1024
| CSS No
|
| [security]
| SavePasswords Yes
| Cookies Yes
| HTTPreferer Yes
|
| [auto-added]
| POP3log No
| SMTPlog No
| KeepHTT Yes
| HTTPKeepAlive Yes
| UseFTPproxy No
| VFAT No
| PostScriptWidth 210
| PostScriptHeight 297
| BMPwidth 800
| UseKeyMap No
| ExpireStatic 0
| ExpireDynamic 0
| MinDiskSpace 2048
| QADT No
| Kill468x60 Yes
| CacheFonts Yes
| MailIsDesktop Yes
| ScreenSaverMess 20
| Editor NUL
| UseReplyto Yes
| UseBinaryFTP Yes
| UseAuthSMTP Yes
| DelHistory No
| attachcheck on
| Mail2Hist No
| RightMouseGoesBack No
| RIAD Yes
| CursorType Hand
| UseByteSec Yes
| AlwaysUseCFGcolors No
| EnterBGDL No
| WarnClear No
| IgnoreJS No
| IgnoreBaseHref No
| IgnoreRefresh No
| ShortestRefresh 10
| RMGB No
| BGimages No
| SendHELO Yes
| Use587 No
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 831) Wed, Feb 22, 2006 - 4:18:06 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmm, most complete. Believe it or not, I'm not inclined to 
| haggle about these, if you like them I like them, but I need to
| know that you are actualy going to implement. If so, then I'll do 
| the same and we'll be coordinated on defaults which will be
| great. These things aren't important enough to justify any 
| hastles due to differences as I'm sure Eric would agree :-)
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 832) Wed, Feb 22, 2006 - 5:01:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Well then... shall we take a tip from NIKE, and 'Just do it'. ? ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 833) Wed, Feb 22, 2006 - 5:48:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ok, that's one less headache for the testers :-) Once my 
| integration of 'progress' is finished I'll do it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 834) Wed, Feb 22, 2006 - 6:29:01 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Will your 'progress' project obsolete the UseByteSec Yes/No keyword ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 835) Wed, Feb 22, 2006 - 9:18:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| I think so, as it exists now, however, once all download/upload
| status line messages are handled by the same function it would be 
| possible to give the user some control over the format of the display
| which could resurect that keyword or perhaps others with the same
| intent. Personaly, right now I don't like the way it looks at all,
| and some options there might be just the thing.
|
| BTW, I'm having trouble testing the 'parallel image download'
| instance of 'progress' 'cause they always seem so quick there's no
| time for a proper display (progess system won't kick in unless the
| download takes at least one second). Would you have some site
| where I can get a longish 'parallel image' ?
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 836) Thu, Feb 23, 2006 - 1:33:11 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I was on a Google map page and tried to backup with CTRL-L Arrow
| and I got Memory Allocation error - cannot find command.com .....
| of course  I needed a reboot.   This is the second time this has
| happened in the last 24 hr period.....don't remember particulars
| about the first time.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 837) Thu, Feb 23, 2006 - 7:23:11 am 
|
| ray>
| Yikes. If it happens again let me know the details of the allocation
| error, it always shows a file and line number. As to command.com,
| that sort of error usualy means that your path has been altered so the
| system can't find your command.com, or maybe %COMSPEC% has changed.
| OR it could be some sort of overflow due to the size of those
| maps. Keep me posted.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 838) Thu, Feb 23, 2006 - 8:47:03 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,
| You wrote: "it always shows a file and line number."    NO it doesn't,
| 'cause it showed just what I wrote!
| And, you bet I'll let you know if it happens again !  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 839) Thu, Feb 23, 2006 - 2:56:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Double yikes! So that report was verbatim. Then it's not an
| Arachne generated error at all but must come from your OS, or so
| I'm figuring. Mind that's not to say that Arachne didn't trash some
| memory or other used by something else to generate the error.
|
|  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 840) Thu, Feb 23, 2006 - 3:03:20 pm 
|
| ray>
| Just did a search:
|
| My command.com contains:
|
| Memory allocation error&
| Cannot load COMMAND, system halted
|
| I'm figuring that what you reported is your command.com's version
| of the same message, can you confirm?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 841) Thu, Feb 23, 2006 - 4:59:15 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I'll betcha a memory overflow from core flowed right over into the
| section of memory that held command.com
|
| The 2 most likely things to have overflowed...
|
| CSS or frames or a combination of both.
|
| As we are now seeing.... CSS is definately _not_ freeing up its memory.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 842) Thu, Feb 23, 2006 - 7:11:38 pm 
|
| ray>
| Something tells me this problem will be solved shortly :-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 843) Thu, Feb 23, 2006 - 7:16:40 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Your message in post #840 looks almost identical to mine...
| since I don't have it on screen I can't confirm word for word.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 844) Thu, Feb 23, 2006 - 7:24:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yeah, these messages, you have to get them exactly perfect since
| so many programs will have similar messages, the difference of a
| space or a cap vs. lower case can make the dif between finding its
| source or not. Me, I think all error messages for all programs should
| begin: [command.com / Arachne / whatever ...][ver] reports: [error message]
|
| Eg. "Open Dos version xyz reports: Command.com not found"
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 845) Thu, Feb 23, 2006 - 8:56:47 pm 
|
| ray>
| Got it :-)
|  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 846) Thu, Feb 23, 2006 - 9:05:55 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Stop making things so difficult.....we are only dealing
| with one program. Does Arachne anywhere say "command.com not 
| found"?   I doubt it.....so where is it coming from Gregy's OS2
| or my DOS?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 847) Thu, Feb 23, 2006 - 10:16:47 pm 
|
| ray>
| No, my man, we are not. Check your 'mem /c' and you will see that
| there are a great many programs running on your machine at any one
| time and most of them have their own internal error messages and
| many of them are quite similar.
|
| The message you quoted does not come from Arachne, but, as I said
| it probably comes from your command.com, do a hex search of it
| and you'll know for sure.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 848) Thu, Feb 23, 2006 - 10:56:21 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,      "Hex search" is not in my lirary!  The only program working
| actively at the time was Arachne so the chances of those other
| support programs causing the problem is quite slim.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 849) Thu, Feb 23, 2006 - 10:57:23 pm 
|
| Eric>
| lirary == library......typo
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 850) Fri, Feb 24, 2006 - 4:21:10 pm 
|
| ray>
| Au contrare, Eric, that message was most certainly from another 
| program it's just a question of which one. Don't you have a 
| text searcher that will look into binary files? And, most of the
| programs you load at startup in config.sys are constantly active.
| EMM386 and HIMEM are working non stop underneath any dos program
| that uses upper memory or high memory. Often when I experence a
| crash, the message I get (if any) is from EMM386 -- which, by the
| way, is one program that does what I said they all should do, it
| identifies itself as well as telling you what it's unhappy about.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 851) Fri, Feb 24, 2006 - 4:23:27 pm 
|
| ray>
| If you do need an industrial strength searcher, I can send you
| minitrue, it is the most awesome program I know of.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 852) Fri, Feb 24, 2006 - 5:36:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| But, rereading Eric's message, I see my reply is illogical.
| What I say is true but does not address what Eric says, which is
| that other programs did not *cause* the crash. That is also true --
| Arachne cause the crash, probably due to a memory overrun, but the
| message itself came from elsewhere.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 853) Fri, Feb 24, 2006 - 7:24:27 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| New core on the way with progress system in place.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 854) Fri, Feb 24, 2006 - 11:19:09 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I get your point about the error message.... but.....
| I consider those programs as part of DOS.  
| What is this "progress system"?   I missed something somewhere.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 855) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 7:39:02 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn and Ray.....you've got mail.....<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 856) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 8:52:23 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| In the old code, status messages that gave you 'progress' information
| (downloading xxxxx bytes of yyyyy bytes ...) were all handled
| add hoc, so there were several blocks of code doing essentialy the
| same thing with varying levels of sucess and thoroughnes 
|
| thurowness? ... thoroughness? ( ... almost funny isn't it ...)
|
| Dr. Tyc wrote a set of functions that can be used in all such
| situations, so now all 'progress' displays will look and act the 
| same way. If there are any errors or changes, only one function
| needs to be changed or checked and it saves about 500 bytes.
| I call it the 'progess system'. The big question is if it fixes
| that hanging download display.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 857) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 11:47:36 am 
|
| ray>
| Gregy, rodger that.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 858) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 2:43:03 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?thoroughness
|
| Hmmmm,
|
| That gives me and idea.
|
| BBL
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 859) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 2:44:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| gregy,
|
| Got your mail... re: CFG settings...... replied.... CCed reply to
| Ray. :)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 860) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 3:06:40 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Done ! :))
|
| Michael created the 'find' protocol many years ago.
|
| I have just now copyed his idea to create the 'define' protocol.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/define-1.gif
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/define-2.gif
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 861) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 3:14:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| --- added one section to main.c ---
|
|    if(!ptr)
|     ptr="http://www.google.com/search?q=";
|    cgiquery((unsigned char *)&GLOBAL.location[i],(unsigned char
| *)buf,1);
|    strcpy(GLOBAL.location,ptr);
|    makestr(&GLOBAL.location[strlen(ptr)],buf,URLSIZE-strlen(ptr)-2);
|   }
| //!!glennmcc: Feb 25, 2006 -- new 'define' function to get the
| // definition of a word or phrase via Webster's online dictionary
|   else
|   if(!strncmpi(GLOBAL.location,"define:",7))
|   {
|    int i=7;
|    char buf[4*URLSIZE];
|    char *ptr="http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?";
|    cgiquery((unsigned char *)&GLOBAL.location[i],(unsigned char
| *)buf,1);
|    strcpy(GLOBAL.location,ptr);
|    makestr(&GLOBAL.location[strlen(ptr)],buf,URLSIZE-strlen(ptr)-2);
|   }
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
| ___________________________________
|
| --- added 2 lines to urlstat.c ---
|  else
|  if(!strcmpi(url->protocol,"mailto") ||
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"file") ||
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"reload") ||
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"find") ||
| //!!glennmcc: Feb 25, 2006 -- new 'define' function to get the
| // definition of a word or phrase via Webster's online dictionary
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"define") ||
| //!!glennmcc: end
| //    !strcmpi(url->protocol,"freq") ||
| //    !strcmpi(url->protocol,"fidonet") ||
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"arachne") ||
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"javascript") ||
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"gui"))
|
| <snip>
|
|  if(!strcmpi(url->protocol,"file") ||
| !strcmpi(url->protocol,"mailto") ||
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"about") ||
| !strcmpi(url->protocol,"reload") ||
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"news") ||
| !strcmpi(url->protocol,"arachne") ||
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"find") || !strcmpi(url->protocol,"gui")
| ||
| //!!glennmcc: Feb 25, 2006 -- new 'define' function to get the
| // definition of a word or phrase via Webster's online dictionary
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"define") ||
| //!!glennmcc: end
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"javascript") )
|   sprintf(outbuf,"%s:%s",url->protocol,url->file);
|
| __________________________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 862) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 4:58:59 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ...v.1.90beta is up and running, and seems to be performing
| alright..
| ...
| Now...Mr. McC....what are we specifically/primarily supposed to be
| looking at...???
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 863) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 5:02:11 pm 
|
| gregy>
| one thing I do notice, is that the 1.89 install doesn't have L.D.'s
| email-list function at the bottom of my compose page....so...I'll
| hafta
| go find that.....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 864) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 5:07:49 pm 
|
| gregy>
| hmmmm....both SENDMAIL.AH and SENDFILE.AH in the main \arachne\
| directory...look like the e-dress portion is NOT commented out...and
| so L.D.'s eddress thingee should still be showing...so...any
| hints..???
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 865) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 5:28:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep, they are commented-out.
|
| <!------ e-mail address book ------>
| <!--   <remove this line)
| <form>
|
| <snip>
|
| </form>
| -->   <remove this line)
| <!--------- end e-mail address book ------>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 866) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 5:29:09 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Alter the sizes of the textareas as needed.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 867) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 6:07:26 pm 
|
| gregy>
| awww...shucks...I forgot...those .AH files go in
| \system\gui\...instead
| of in the main \arachne\ directory.....<g g g g>
| ...
| ....and.....and....yes, indeedy....your 1.90 DOES cure that "BAD
| REQUEST" problem....just a simple "R" when the error page pops up,
| and
| ...voila...!!!....mzzz$loth problem solved....<g g g>
| ...
| ..so...what else are we supposed to specifically look for/test...???
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 868) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 6:11:57 pm 
|
| gregy>
| well...so far, it does the mails, semi-automagicaly handles BAD
| REQUEST,
| properly processes .JPGs, seems to access all my usual sites (so
| far, at
| least), has about 10Kbytes more FREEonline....and...seems fairly
| stable
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 869) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 7:34:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Well sir,
|
| Without even giving you a chance to run that one through the
| ringer...
|
| 190-0221.zip is now deleted from my site and 190-0225.zip has taken
| its place.
|
| Time to core-swap.
|
| -- include in this one.....
|
| Joe fixed the CSS-eats-up-Xswap bug.
|
| I added the 'define protocol'
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 870) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 7:35:01 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190-0225.zip
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 871) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 7:36:11 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Freshly compiled only 8min ago........... get it while it's HOT
| !!!! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 872) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 8:26:00 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Well...I only just saw it a few minutes ago...so...just now got it 
| swapped.....<g g g>
| ..
| so far, hey...it dialed....<g g g>
| ..
| ..is that a good sign..???..
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 873) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 8:46:55 pm 
|
| gregy>
| aannnndd....here's the new ERR_OPEN.AH that's required to cover the
| new
| functionality:
|
| ===========begin ERR_OPEN.AH============
| <HTML>
| <TITLE>Arachne Load Error</TITLE>
| <BODY>
| <IMG SRC="file://system\gui\error.gif" ALT="ERROR" ALIGN=RIGHT>
| <H1>Can't open connection</H1>
| <BR CLEAR=RIGHT>
| <HR SIZE=4>
| Arachne was unable to load requested URL.<p>
| Possible reasons:
| <LI>remote host doesn't have DNS entry
| <LI>remote host cannot be accessed
| <LI>remote host refused request for connection
| <LI>packet driver is installed, but network is unreachable. This may
| be caused eg. by unplugged ethernet cable or lost modem connection.
| <LI>this may be a BAD REQUEST return from a MicroSlop IIS
| server.  If
| you are running Arachne v. 1.90 or later, try pressing the "R" key
| to
| reload.  This BAD REQUEST problem was fixed in v. 1.90.
| <HR>
| See <A HREF="file://help.htm">Arachne documentation</A> for more
| info.
| </BODY>
| </HTML>
| ============end ERR_OPEN.AH==============
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 874) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 8:50:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I already re-did ERR_OPEN.AH
|
| Didn't you get the 'full package' that included all of my changed
| files ?
|
| Have a look at post #766
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 875) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 8:51:12 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Oh, and the core190b beta...gives ONLINE 189408Free....
| ...so...it's conforming to our standards........<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 876) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 8:51:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| If you need the rest of that ... give a yell.
|
| But please, don't yell too loudly... I might be napping. <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 877) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 8:52:31 pm 
|
| gregy>
| no...apparently I didn't....the 190-221.zip had only a CORE.EXE in
| it
| ...hmmm...well....I'll check...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 878) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 8:55:01 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ah...now I unzipped that 190-0220.zip....and, yes...it's all in
| there..
| ...so...I've gotta overlay that stuff, then see what hops and what
| flops....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 879) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 8:56:10 pm 
|
| gregy>
| well...go nap...didn't you work today....???
| ...
| If I need anything....it'll be posted on my MISC, with a pointer
| from
| here....<g g g>
| ...
| g'nite....<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 880) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 8:59:04 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Good to go.. ya' gots it all. :))
|
| Since I deleted the rest of those zips.
|
| I just now uploaded a zip with all but core.exe in it.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/archn190.zip
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 881) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:00:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And I was just kidding about the nap.
|
| I won't be calling it a night for about another 4hrs or so.
|
| Heck, it's only 11pm here.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 882) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:02:16 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hey,
|
| Now that you have 190-0225.zip
|
| Try this in your URL entry field.......
|
| define:someword
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 883) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:02:53 pm 
|
| gregy>
| oh...I thought you worked on weekends...
| ...
| I just overlayed the .AH files....and I like your ERR_OPEN.AH better
| than my quickie...so...it's in...mine's out...<g g g>
| ...
| I'll get back with more feedback once I overlay the rest of that
| stuff
| ...
| I especially want to try that RSS...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 884) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:05:28 pm 
|
| gregy>
| he he.... define:screwball.....popped Websters right up....now
| that's
| neat....I saw your posts about that earlier....now I SEE what you
| were
| talking about....
| ...
| That's so neat that we need a "HotKey" for it.....<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 885) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:06:06 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ...later....gotta try the rest of the overlay
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 886) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:15:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I'll upload a new core in a few min.
|
| Already modified the define protocol to allow spaces, colons and
| dots
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 887) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:19:38 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| OK, 190-0225.zip is now replaced with 1900225b.zip
|
| Try this one.......
|
| define:this is:a.test
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 888) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:28:16 pm 
|
| gregy>
| hmmmm....got an RSSloop at http://www.aim.org/ .. AIM NEWS link...
| ...
| the whole PSEARCH package unzipped into f:\psearch\ ....and this is
| my
| RSS2HTM.BAT:
|
| =======begRSS2HTM.BAT===========
| f:\psearch\ps.exe r:%1 /T:"</link" /CT:"'" /T:"link>" /CT:a href='
| /NP
| f:\psearch\ps.exe r:%1 /T:"<description>" /CT:"_"
| /T:"</description>" /CT:"</a><br><br>" /NP
| :end
| copy l:%1 l:%2
| =========endRSS2HTM.BAT==========
| ...
| and...my Arachne is install in R:\ARACHNE\
|
| hints....???
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 889) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:34:28 pm 
|
| gregy>
| well....that 190c CORE got me back here, alright....now to try that
| define...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 890) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:34:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| :end
| copy l:%1 l:%2
| _____^<-- change from l to r
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 891) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:35:46 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| In both places of-course...
|
|
| copy l:%1 l:%2
| _____^____^<-- change from l to r
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 892) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:36:09 pm 
|
| gregy>
| hmmmm....I'm surprised that that return didn't include the
| suggestion
| of "testicles"......<g g g g>....that's about the only thing they
| left out.....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 893) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:37:13 pm 
|
| gregy>
| okay...let me try that...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 894) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:39:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh, and yes... I _do_ work the weekends.
|
| But heck, I don't have to get up till 6am on Saturdays,
| and not till 7am on Sundays.
|
| So, bedtime is between 2am and 3am on Sat morning
| and between 3am and 4am on Sun morning. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 895) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:43:13 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| define:test.is
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 896) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:44:46 pm 
|
| gregy>
| well...when I was younger...and bouncing around the desert in my
| tank,
| or crawling around the jungle on my knees...etc, etc....I usta do
| that
| "micro-sleep" thing, too....
| ...
| ..now...when I get "itsy-bitsy" sleep-chunks, like that, it's
| because
| my joints are aching...and I hafta get up and move around to loosen
| 'em up.....<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 897) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:46:53 pm 
|
| gregy>
| he he...but...BUT...it STILL ain't turned up testicles.....<g g g>
| ...
| ..
| and...of course...the RSS now works....thanks for the
| hint...(sheesh..
| I missed that second set of "l"s..)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 898) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 9:55:49 pm 
|
| gregy>
| yepper....the RSS works great....been thru the 3 feeds at AIM...then
| just hadda try the WashintonCompost RSSfeeds....and...zounds..!!! it
| even link-to-and-thru the login then coughed up it's TopNews RSSfeed
| ...
| ..now...THAT's HighClass...!!!
| ...
| It's a "keeper".....<g g g>
| ...
| What other goodies are buried in that 190overlay package....???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 899) Sat, Feb 25, 2006 - 10:07:53 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ...and...I gotta get to bed...I've been up since 2am and need a
| chunk
| of horizontal-positioning.....<g g g>
| ...
| g'nite......
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 900) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 7:09:08 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     I like that define function!  <ggg>
|
| Gregy,    Where'd you come from....I thought you went out tracking
| bears....and....ended up hibernating with them!  <ggg>
|
| Ray,    The counters seem to be working fine.....just a lot to
| read. <ggg>
|  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 901) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 7:12:36 am 
|
| Eric>
| Hey, Guy's....I sure am accumulating a lot of cores here......
| One might say I've got one h*ll of a core pile here! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 902) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 7:14:51 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    That RSS loop Gregy got.....is that the same one I
| found?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 903) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 10:32:07 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I was using your 1900225b.zip  core when I pressed
| insert to download images.  When it was converting images to bmp,
| and
| it said "press ctrl-pause to abort" on the bottom lin, I pressed
| ctrl-pause and was placed into a loop.
| eventually after many ineffective key presses I was returned to the
| page
| and then I got the memory allocation error - command.com can't be
| found.
| Is this proper behavior?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 904) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 1:23:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep.... same loop you had.
|
| It was simply a matter of changeing the drive letter spec in
| rss2htm.bat
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 905) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 1:26:49 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oops.... did not read post 903 before answering 902.
|
| Nope... that's a new one.
|
| I will investigate.
|
| Got a URL for me to try it on ?
|
| I know... stupid question.
|
| It crashed and you did not write down the URL before it crashed.
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 906) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 2:08:29 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    The URL didn't cause it....It was caused by trying to
| stop image conversion....years ago when I was new to arachne I 
| now remember having such problems.  That's one reason that
| I fixed mime.cfg and arachne.cfg to stop displaying jpgs.
| Since I've been installing stuff for you guys my image disabling
| got neglected and it was working....I didn't want to wait so I
| use CTRL-PAUSE like the status line told me to do...and....
| I got screwed. My guess it is not the core directly causing
| the problem but one of the conversion utilities.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 907) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 2:42:49 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK, I see now what you mean.
|
| So.... when you say you were "placed into a loop".
|
| What kind of a loop was it
|
| What (if anything), was happening on the screen ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 908) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 2:57:59 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I would have told you exactly but it was hard to
| describe.
| It looked like it was listing the registers and when I pressed 
| CTRL-PAUSE again it would repeat.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 909) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 3:20:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep... just now duplicated it.
|
| It is an incompatibility with djpeg32.exe and the use of the
| Ctrl+Pause
| or Ctrl+C options for aborting image conversion.
|
| djpeg32.exe does a partial debug info output when it is aborted.
|
| I'm going to try with djpeg.exe (the 16bit version), to see if it
| has
| the same problem.
|
| BRB
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 910) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 3:30:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Still no go. :(
|
| Looks like we are going to have to remove that portion of the
| message
| about hitting Ctrl+Pause to abort.
|
| The good news is that the problem only exists when converting
| multiple
| Jpegs after hitting Insert or when autoload of images is turned on.
|
| We can abort the conversion of a single image we have linked to
| with no problems.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 911) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 3:52:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Removed.
|
| ________ in urlovrl.c ---
|
|  if (converting)
|  {
|   char msg[128];
| //!!glennmcc: Feb 26, 2006 -- Djpeg is incompatible with ctrlbreak
| // therefore we must stop telling the user to try it :(
|   sprintf(msg,MSG_CONVI,converting,MSG_DELAY1);
| //sprintf(msg,MSG_CONVI,converting,MSG_DELAY1,ctrlbreak);
|   outs(msg);
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 912) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 4:05:11 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Then, there is no way to stop the conversion process?
| One reason I tried to stop the conversion was I thought I might be 
| short on freespace to allow the conversion.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 913) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 4:39:57 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric.....I never use that CTRL-Pause...I just press the ESC
| key...that
| always seems to do the job...
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 914) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 4:41:42 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...Re: 902 - RSSloop....yes...as Glenn said...he had to
| straighten
| my RSS2HTM.BAT directory/disk designations out....then everything
| worked
| fine...
| ...
| except...Glenn...couple posts for you on my MISC board....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 915) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 5:06:22 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    I'll try ESC next time.  Does it take you back a page or
| does it just stop the conversion?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 916) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 5:09:24 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,  What's the address for your MISC.  For some reason I
| keep losing it.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 917) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 5:41:27 pm 
| URL
|
| gregy>
| Eric....
| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/brd/misc/mindex.php
|
| ...also...
| Re:  ESCkey to stop download of images....
| ...
| There's been some controversy over how that should be setup...mine
| is
| set up to "arachne-old-standard"....in other words....my ESC stops a
| download, but, if you're not in the middle of a download, my ESC
| does
| a "rude" exit from Arachne....<g g g>....this is no problem for me,
| since I have an I.BAT that immediately relaunches Arachne again
| without
| any harm....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 918) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 7:13:34 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| To fix that.......
|
| ESC Ignore
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 919) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 7:31:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Nope.... no can do on aborting multiple image conversion.
|
| But as our exeriments have shown.
|
| This is not an Arachne bug... it's simply a problem with Djpeg not
| being
| able to be "aborted cleanly".
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 920) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 8:40:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| Sheesh, I guy darent take the weekend off ;-)
|
| Eric, glad to hear the counters are ok. And yes, it is a lot of
| information. IMO the progress timer and speed indicator are nice
| for big files but a bit of overkill for short ones. I'm sure I'm
| going to tinker with the display to make the information a bit 
| easier to read.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 921) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 8:43:15 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, forgot: Eric, I got an email from Bastiaan sent with my core, so
| I guess he's got that solved. He seems to like the mail handling.
| He said his 'compose' screen is missing the 'e-dress' stuff. IINM, 
| that's none of my doing, is it? Do you have it there using my core?
| I got it here and don't recall tinkering with that at all.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 922) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 9:07:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: e-dress stuff
|
| See posts 864 and 865 ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 923) Sun, Feb 26, 2006 - 10:44:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Tx
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 924) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 1:58:24 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...Re: 918 - ESC Ignore....nope...that's that eggs-ACK function
| that I want that key to exhibit...<g g g>
| ..
| ...and...it DOES abort images-download whenever I inadvertantly hit
| the
| INSERT key.  Maybe it doesn't abort in the middle of any individual
| .JGP file download (although I CAN remember numerous times of
| aborting
| and getting a "premature ending of .jpg file" or
| somesuch)...but...it
| will definitely stop that "download all images" runaway that Eric is
| talking about stopping.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 925) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 2:06:58 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ..but...re-reading the posts...maybe that "ESC" does not halt the
| "conversion" process, only halts the multiple-download process,
| which
| then goes into the conversion-process on any images already
| downloaded
| ...??
| ...hmmm...I'll hafta try that sometime...and keep my eyes peeled..
| ...
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 926) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 5:09:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| If I understand correctly.... you have 'ESC Back' in arachne.cfg
|
| If that's it.... then hitting Ctrl+LftArrow or lining to the 'back
| in
| history' button will do it.
|
| BRB
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 927) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 5:16:46 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope.... I can't get it to stop mutiple image conversion no matter
| what I do.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 928) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 5:18:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Doing any of those _does_ stop the mutiple image downloading.
|
| But once the conversion process has started.... we are committed...
| no way to stop it.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 929) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 5:55:29 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Hey, how's that res shifting thing? I blocked off the apparently
| troublesome 640x400 resolution and I'd like to know if that 
| solved the problem.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 930) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 6:15:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Since my core already had it blocked.
|
| And since Eric had no trouble with my core.
|
| Draw you own conclusion<ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 931) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 6:16:50 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| BTW,
|
| New version of insight ready to go that now handles the '&' symbol
| in attached filenames.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/insight.zip
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 932) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 6:17:53 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/not-fine.gif
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/and-fine.gif
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 933) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 6:20:35 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/ins_43en.zip (English .EXE
| only)
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/ins_43ru.zip (Russian .EXE
| only)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 934) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 7:23:38 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...Re: 928....nope...I have "ESC Exits"....and...it has the
| action
| that you describe.....it DOES stop multi-image downloads...but does
| NOT
| seem to halt the conversion process once it has begun on the images
| that have already downloaded..
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 935) Mon, Feb 27, 2006 - 7:28:26 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| I fully expect it to solve Eric's problem but there's nothing
| like confirmation. I don't know about you, but I occasionaly
| find that things don't work out as I expect, usually because there
| is something I did not take into acount.
|
| Got the insight, thanks.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 936) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 12:29:50 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Not work out the way we expect ?
|
| What you talkin' about Willis ?
|
| All of the stuff _I_ do _always_ works out exactly the way I expect
| it to.
|
| Hahahahahahaha !!!!!!!!!
|
| That's a laugh !!!
|
| We _WISH_ it were...... but alas it ain't so.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 937) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 12:30:43 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| BTW,
|
| You've got mail. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 938) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 3:22:15 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   You wrote:
|
| All of the stuff _I_ do _always_ works out exactly the way I expect
| it to.
|
| Right,    That's because you don't expect too much of it.....maybe
| nothing! <gggg>
|
| Ray,    I won't get to checking that "+/-" for a while.  Busy.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 939) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 3:24:57 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   Boy,   the Coders board sure did get abused this month!
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 940) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:29:10 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric....yeh...we abused the poor thing with almost total neglect...
| ...<g g g>
| ..
| Hey...!!!....not to worry...it'll have it's day....these things seem
| to sort of switch back and forth....<g g g>
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 941) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:32:57 am 
|
| gregy>
| But....hey...let's don't try to "boost" it, this last day...okay..??
| ...
| As it is...I don't hafta archive it tonight....and that's a
| blessing.
| .....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 942) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 3:35:42 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Whenever.
|
| Glenn,
|
| Look forward to seeing the code for that, I can guess this 
| port selectability won't be hard to implement -- like you said,
| should have been done years ago. Dreaming ahead, it is easy to
| imagine an 'auto find' feature too, where, if requested, Arachne
| does a systematic seach for a good port.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 943) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 3:55:32 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
|
| 'auto find' .... 'auto find' ????
|
| Hmmmmm.... now ya gots me to thinking. <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 944) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 7:38:38 pm 
|
| gregy>
| QUESTION....what's this "port selectability" Ray's talking about...I
| looked back thru the posts and can't see anything about that...???
| ...
| Just bein' snoopy, is all......<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 945) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 8:57:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ssshhhhh......... It's a secret. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 946) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:01:18 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| But if you'd really like to try it..........
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190-0228.zip 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 947) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:05:25 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| On the included opt_net.ah (Options/Internet settings)
|
|
| |__________| Use alternate port # for POP3 
|  (default is port #110) 
|  (other possible values... 995 ) 
|  [or check with provider] ) 
|
| |__________| Use alternate port # for SMTP 
|  (default is port #25) 
|  (other possible values... 587, 465 ) 
|  [or check with provider]
|
| ___________________________
|
| We simply enter the new port number and save the changes.
|
| |587_______| Use alternate port # for SMTP 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 948) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:11:30 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Well...I'm glad you just "shipped me the .ZIP" instead of "telling
| me
| the secret"....I mean, we wanna avoid bloody debacles around here,
| and
| if you'd "told" me youdda hadda kill me.....<g g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================