DOS Testers1 Message Board Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:13:10 ______________________________________________________________________________ | ============================================================================ | | 1) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 6:54:11 am | | gregy> | Okay....new board up.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 2) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 6:54:55 am | | gregy> | Last 11 messages...... | | DOS Testers1 Message Board | Wed, 01 Mar 2006 06:24:00 | ____________________________________________________________________________ | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 938) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 3:22:15 am | | | | Eric> | | glennmcc, You wrote: | | | | All of the stuff _I_ do _always_ works out exactly the way I expect | | it to. | | | | Right, That's because you don't expect too much of it.....maybe | | nothing! | | | | Ray, I won't get to checking that "+/-" for a while. Busy. | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 939) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 3:24:57 am | | | | Eric> | | Gregy, Boy, the Coders board sure did get abused this month! | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 940) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:29:10 am | | | | gregy> | | Eric....yeh...we abused the poor thing with almost total neglect... | | ... | | .. | | Hey...!!!....not to worry...it'll have it's day....these things seem Š| | to sort of switch back and forth.... | | ... | | | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 941) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:32:57 am | | | | gregy> | | But....hey...let's don't try to "boost" it, this last day...okay..?? | | ... | | As it is...I don't hafta archive it tonight....and that's a | | blessing. | | ..... | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 942) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 3:35:42 pm | | | | ray> | | Eric, | | | | Whenever. | | | | Glenn, | | | | Look forward to seeing the code for that, I can guess this | | port selectability won't be hard to implement -- like you said, | | should have been done years ago. Dreaming ahead, it is easy to | | imagine an 'auto find' feature too, where, if requested, Arachne | | does a systematic seach for a good port. | | | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 943) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 3:55:32 pm | | | | glennmcc> | | | | 'auto find' .... 'auto find' ???? | | | | Hmmmmm.... now ya gots me to thinking. | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 944) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 7:38:38 pm | | | | gregy> | | QUESTION....what's this "port selectability" Ray's talking about...I | | looked back thru the posts and can't see anything about that...??? | | ... Š| | Just bein' snoopy, is all...... | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 945) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 8:57:14 pm | | | | glennmcc> | | Ssshhhhh......... It's a secret. | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 946) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:01:18 pm | | URL | | | | glennmcc> | | But if you'd really like to try it.......... | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190-0228.zip | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 947) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:05:25 pm | | URL | | | | glennmcc> | | On the included opt_net.ah (Options/Internet settings) | | | | | | |__________| Use alternate port # for POP3 | | (default is port #110) | | (other possible values... 995 ) | | [or check with provider] ) | | | | |__________| Use alternate port # for SMTP | | (default is port #25) | | (other possible values... 587, 465 ) | | [or check with provider] | | | | ___________________________ | | | | We simply enter the new port number and save the changes. | | | | |587_______| Use alternate port # for SMTP | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | | 948) Tue, Feb 28, 2006 - 9:11:30 pm | | | | gregy> | | Well...I'm glad you just "shipped me the .ZIP" instead of "telling | | me | | the secret"....I mean, we wanna avoid bloody debacles around here, Š| | and | | if you'd "told" me youdda hadda kill me..... | | | | | | ========================================================================== | | | ============================================================================ | | 3) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 6:55:21 am | | gregy> | We're good to go...... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 4) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 3:08:18 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | We have a problem in onmouse.c :( | | Visit this link... | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/rss/index.html | | Take the top link.. "Top News" which will simply takew you futher down | the page to the topnews anchor. | | Move your mouse up-and-down, up-and-down, up-and-down over all of the | links so that linkhover is activated/deactivated many times. | | Keep sliding the mouse up-and-down over the links for quite some time. | | Do you get either a lock-up or a crash ? | | Gregy found this problem and I confirned it last evening. | | It goes all the way back to v1.85... but v1.83 is OK. | | I just did some further expermenting and whemn I reverse the change I | made by pasting-in your code in onmouse.c and go back to the block of | code we used in v1.85 the problem is gone. | | So here is a bug in the block of code I'll paste into my next post here. | | | ============================================================================ | | 5) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 3:12:08 pm | | glennmcc> Š| | //--------------- begin paste-in from Ray's version of onmouse.c -------- | //!!glennmcc/RAY: 05-03-03: Fix CSS (frames) hover bug: | | #define FRAME p->htmlframe[atomonmouse.frameID].scroll | { | /* | The screen originates at the top left corner. | | p->htscrn_ytop | is the current 'Y' coordinate of the top of the HTML window, | which varies with screen style, but not with resolution: | 0 when in fullscreen layout | 25 when the small Ikons, URL/title bar are across the top | 50 when the small Ikons, URL bar, Title bar are across the top | 50 when the buttons are on right side, URL bar, Title bar across the top | 100 when the large buttons, URL bar, Title bar are across the top | | FRAME.ytop | is the offset of the current frame within the HTML window. | | p->htmlframe[atomptr->frameID].posY | is the measure of the amount of vertical scrolling that has taken place | within the active frame (if any). | | atomonmouse.y / atomonmouse.yy | The top / bottom of the atom relative to its absolute position ('dy' below). | */ | int x1,x2,y1,y2; // Atom horizontal start, stop; vertical start, stop. | long sz; // Size of the atom in bytes. | // Asignments for 'dx' and 'dy' made above are: | // dx = p->htmlframe[atomptr->frameID].posX; | // dy = p->htmlframe[atomptr->frameID].posY; | | // Absolute coordinates of atom are: scrolling XY - frame XY + HTML window X | // because scrolling right moves absolute positions on the screen left. | // Changing dx or dy offsets message, but doesn't 'clip' it. | // Bigger numbers move to the left and up repectively because dx/dy work | // subtractively. | dx -= FRAME.xtop; // - p->htscrn_xtop // Always 0 with HTML window hard left | dy -= FRAME.ytop - p->htscrn_ytop; | | // If atom's left end moves past frame boundary due to scrolling, we want th | // whole atom to pop into view when hot anyway , so don't trim hot | // atom on the left unless it is right off the screen (0). NB this will onl | // work when the HTML window is always hard on the left margin of the scree | x1 = 0; | //Ray: Mar 11, 2005 | // This allows *visible* part of over long link to hover. | //!!glennmcc: Mar 12, 2005 -- removed due to bu | //!!glennmcc: Mar 13, 2005 -- fixed it... see below | if (FRAME.xtop>p->htscrn_xtop) | x2 = p->htscrn_xsize + p->htscrn_xtop; | else | x2 = atomonmouse.xx + FRAME.xtop; Š| //Ray: end | | y1 = (int)(atomonmouse.y + | FRAME.ytop - | p->htmlframe[atomptr->frameID].posY); | y2 = (int)(atomonmouse.yy + | FRAME.ytop - | p->htmlframe[atomptr->frameID].posY); | | // Guard against intrusion into the status line. | if (y2 > p->htscrn_ysize + p->htscrn_ytop) | y2 = p->htscrn_ysize + p->htscrn_ytop; | | sz = (long)((x2 - x1 + 1) * (y2 - y1 + 1) + 4 * sizeof(int)); | //!!glennmcc: Mar 13, 2005 -- fixes bug (see ab | if (sz > 0 && sz < MAXHOVER) | // if (sz > 0 && 2 * sz < MAXHOVER) | //!!glennmcc: end | { // RAY: typecast made same form as one below. | char *buf = malloc((unsigned)((long)(2L * sz))); | if (buf) | { | x_getimg(x1, y1, x2, y2, buf); | // p->restorehoveradr = IE_NULL; // Moved from a few lines up. | p->restorehoveradr = | ie_putswap(buf, (unsigned)((long)(2L * sz)), CONTEXT_TMPIMG); | free(buf); | } | p->restorehoverx = x1; | p->restorehovery = y1; | bigfonts_allowed(); | | // hidehover(); // This prevents hover going off! | // drawatom() Draws highlighted atom, but not unhighlighted atom! | | drawatom(&atomonmouse, dx, dy, // (See drawatom() L80) | p->htscrn_xsize + p->htscrn_xtop - | p->htmlframe[activeatom.frameID].scroll.xtop, | // select window can overwrite other | p->htscrn_ysize + p->htscrn_ytop - | p->htmlframe[activeatom.frameID].scroll.ytop, | p->htmlframe[activeatom.frameID].scroll.xtop, | p->htmlframe[activeatom.frameID].scroll.ytop); // frames... | | bigfonts_forbidden(); | } // End: if (sz > 0 && 2 * sz < MAXHOVER) | } // End: block | } // End: if (atomptr->linkptr != linkonmouse) | } // End: if (atomptr->linkptr != linkonmouse) | atomptr=(struct HTMLrecord *)ie_getswap(linkonmouse); | ptr=(char *)ie_getswap(atomptr->ptr); | if(!atomptr || !ptr) | return NULL; | } // End: if (atomonmouse.type==TEXT && usehover) | x_yncurs(1,mousex,mousey,(int)user_interface.brightmouse); Š| } // End: if (linkonmouse!=lastonmouse) | //____end paste-in from Ray's version of onmouse.c __________ | | ============================================================================ | | 6) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 3:13:28 pm | | glennmcc> | This is the block of code that you and I work on and was in v1.83 | | When I remove the above code and re-enable this block.... | no lockups and no crashes at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/rss/index. | ____________________ | | //!!glennmcc: Mar 05, 2005 -- This entire block is now superseded by code | //from Ray's version of onmouse.c, to fix the CSS (frames) hover bug ... | /* | xx=atomonmouse.x-dx+p->htmlframe[atomonmouse.frameID].scroll.xtop; | yy=(int)(atomonmouse.y-dy+p->htmlframe[atomonmouse.frameID].scroll.ytop); | xxx=atomonmouse.xx-dx+p->htmlframe[atomonmouse.frameID].scroll.xtop; | yyy=(int)(atomonmouse.yy-dy+p->htmlframe[atomonmouse.frameID].scroll.ytop); | if(xxhtscrn_xtop)xx=p->htscrn_xtop; | if(yyhtscrn_ytop)yy=p->htscrn_ytop; | if(xxx>x_maxx())xxx=x_maxx(); | if(yyy>x_maxy())yyy=x_maxy(); | sz=(long)((long)(xxx-xx+1)*(long)(yyy-yy+1))+4*sizeof(int); | p->restorehoveradr=IE_NULL; | if(sz>0 && 2*szrestorehoveradr=ie_putswap(buf,(unsigned)((long)(2l*sz)),CONTEXT_TMPIMG | farfree(buf); | } | | p->restorehoverx=xx; | p->restorehovery=yy; | bigfonts_allowed(); | | drawatom(&atomonmouse,dx,dy, | p->htscrn_xsize+p->htscrn_xtop-p->htmlframe[activeatom.frameID].scroll.xt | p->htscrn_ysize+p->htscrn_ytop-p->htmlframe[activeatom.frameID].scroll.yt | p->htmlframe[activeatom.frameID].scroll.xtop, | p->htmlframe[activeatom.frameID].scroll.ytop); //frames... | bigfonts_forbidden(); | } | } | } | atomptr=(struct HTMLrecord *)ie_getswap(linkonmouse); | ptr=(char *)ie_getswap(atomptr->ptr); | if(!atomptr || !ptr) | return NULL; | } Š| x_yncurs(1,mousex,mousey,(int)user_interface.brightmouse); | } | */ | | | ============================================================================ | | 7) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 3:31:40 pm | | glennmcc> | Dang-it.... it goes back one step further than I thought. | | 1.83 took more sliding up-and-down... but it just crashed on me. :( | | Now testing 1.81 and so-far so-good | | ============================================================================ | | 8) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 3:37:37 pm | | glennmcc> | Many, many mouse-over linkhovers and 1.81 is still A-OK | | And now I see that the block of code in post #6 is not from v1.83 | but is from even earlier. | | So it looks like something we did for v1.83 is what is cusing the | lockups and crashes. | | In v1.81 we had the problem for left-right of linkhover in frames fixed. | | We then fixed the up-down problem in v1.83 | | Something we did there is apparently buggy. :( | | ============================================================================ | | 9) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 3:54:36 pm | | gregy> | I claim no credit...but...if our "customers" had run onto that page (or | a similar page) we'd definitely have a LOT of user-dissatisfaction... | ...so....I'm kinda glad I just stumbled onto it... | .. | But..(youknewthiswascoming)...I'da never even been there if Glenn hadn't | put the RSS capability into Arachne..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 10) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 3:55:30 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...post on my MISC...Re: DNS1/2 Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 11) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 3:59:42 pm | | glennmcc> | OK... onmouse.c v1.81 now compiled into 1.90 | | 1.90 is now A-OK | | Grabbed Joe's 189J1 and made one small change [visa vi ConfigYesNo()] | | Still crashes :( | | This confirms that since it's in my code to begin with..... | | I gave the bug to Joe also. :( | | ============================================================================ | | 12) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:01:11 pm | | glennmcc> | re:"But..(youknewthiswascoming)...I'da never even been there if Glenn hadn't | put the RSS capability into Arachne....." | | | So........ when we get right down to it. | | It's Greg Mayman's fault for asking about RSS | | | ============================================================================ | | 13) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:23:03 pm | | gregy> | welll....Greg...gregy....whatever.... | ... | And, so...that mousehover problem has been located...?? | .. | | ============================================================================ | | 14) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:24:59 pm | | gregy> | ummm...if it has...(1.81-into-1.90)...are you going to issue a "new" | 1.90....??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 15) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:28:21 pm Š| | ray> | Glenn, | | Confirm the hang with your core. Mine doesn't hang or crash, OTOH | I get no hover at all :( I rechecked your hover test pages in /my-stuff | and I get hover there, so why might it be that it's dead on that | page? Some keyword? BTW with your core, the 'hover' is in fact a | blanked out link, so it's 'hovering' with invisible ink, it seems. | On the test pages my hover color is light blue but no reponce | on that page at all. | | | ============================================================================ | | 16) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:33:54 pm | | glennmcc> | OK.... we're making some progress here. | | Your core has no problems at that link. | | This tell me that I screwed something up when I pasted your code | into my copy of onmouse.c | | Would you be so kind sir, as to send me a copy of your onmouse.c | zipped-up and attached to an email ? | | ============================================================================ | | 17) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:37:15 pm | | glennmcc> | OK... that's 4 times now that I've checked my email. | | Still nothing. :( | | Come-on Ray... hurry up... I wanna fix this thing. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 18) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:45:09 pm | | ray> | Geezuz! :-) | | I'm not so sure I'm in better shape. Shouldn't I be seeing something? | How come the hover works on your test pages but not on that | link you sent? Maybe I'm not crashing because I'm not even | accessing hover at all. | | Also, my onmouse has changed radicaly since you saw it last so | a repaste almost certainly won't work. Once I know I am or am not Š| OK, I can backtrace my changes to where we have similar behavior | and from that point I'll have something to send you. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 19) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:49:34 pm | | ray> | Yeah, we've got to do this methodicaly, maybe back then I was | busted too, but it's since been fixed in my rewrite of the mouse | moving code. When you access that URL, what do you get for hover? | | | ============================================================================ | | 20) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 4:50:45 pm | | ray> | Gotta do some work outside, back soon | | ============================================================================ | | 21) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 5:20:29 pm | | glennmcc> | Your's does not do a color-change when the mouse is over a link because | the CSS on that page does not contain anything to cause a color change. | | That's the bug in my code. | | Somehow I screwed something up that's causing color-changes when there's | not supposed to be any. | | | ============================================================================ | | 22) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 6:15:19 pm | | ray> | Back. | | Right, so I'm not busted. Now let me go back over your posts so | I can figure out the dates involved ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 23) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 6:22:15 pm | | ray> | So, 1.81 OK, 1.83 busted there. Can you give me a last good date | for onmouse and a first bad date for same? I'd like to go back to | my cores of that time period and see if I'm ok back there. If so, Š| then you're right, it's just some glitch in your import and it | shouldn't be too hard to find. | | | ============================================================================ | | 24) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 6:25:04 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | There...... absolute confirmation that I screwed something up in your code. | | _ | I just noe recomiled v1.81 with only one change. | | The block of code we worked on and released in v1.81 removed | and my screwed-up copy of your block of code put in its place. | | No other changes of any kind to any file. | | Now my fresh compile of core.exe v1.81 with just that one change crashes | at ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/rss/index.html | | | So, if you could please .... have a look at post #5 | | What did I screw-up in there. :( | | | ============================================================================ | | 25) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 6:35:06 pm | | Eric> | Well, Guys.....another good reason why "the mouse is kept in his | house". Is this bug an explaination for the inconsistant color | changes of the cursor when tabbing? | | ============================================================================ | | 26) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 6:36:25 pm | | ray> | Dinner on the table, back after. I worked back in my cores to Nov | 05 and I'm fine to that point, so this won't be difficult. | Touch wood. | | | ============================================================================ | | 27) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 7:26:14 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | Š| Yes, it is. :( | | You see... onmouse.c is not actually for the mouse itself. | But rather for the cursor and the link under it whether it gets | moved via the mouse, the keyboard arrow keys or the tab key. | | So when I screwed-up the code... it screwed-up all of those things. :( | | | ============================================================================ | | 28) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 7:28:37 pm | | gregy> | awww...settle down, there...Mr. McC.....you'll "find it" sooner or later | ...and...I proclaim to you ahead of time....."glennmcc, come on home, | all is forgiven."...... | | | ============================================================================ | | 29) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 7:29:56 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | IMO, | No matter how far back you go in your cores you're not going to find | this bug. | | It does not exists and never did exist in any of your cores. | | It only exists in my cores after my import of your code. | | I'll betcha that your code is fine.... | my import of that code as shown in post#5 is whats's broken. | | ============================================================================ | | 30) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 7:31:06 pm | | glennmcc> | Hey gregy... not to worry. | | I won't beat myself up too bad over this. | | | ============================================================================ | | 31) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 7:49:19 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Monty Python is on PBS right now, here, that's what you need! | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 32) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 8:00:20 pm | | gregy> | okay...we'll take your word for it....and won't demand photographic | proof of your physical wellbeing and lack of bruises and scars... | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 33) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 9:03:16 pm | | ray> | Yes, just back from two hours of Python courtesy of Detroit PBS -- | thanks Eric. | | Glenn, you're probably right that I won't 'have' the problem, but | in order to exactly isolate which set of changes did it and resend | them to you, the tighter you can bracket the code the better. | Put another way, I want to be sure you get the minimum set of | changes that are responsible. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 34) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 9:14:12 pm | | ray> | Think I've got the right build, it's March 3 of last year -- and there's | nothing more troublesome than finding a bug that's been around | for a blasted year. I'll email it now. If you can't figure it out | with this, there may be some interaction with something in another | module but that could get hellish to figure out. | Sniff around the 'HideHover()' function. | | | ============================================================================ | | 35) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 9:49:29 pm | | ray> | Gnite | | | ============================================================================ | | 36) Wed, Mar 01, 2006 - 10:29:26 pm | | glennmcc> | | Thank you Ray.......... that was the right file. | Š| Bug squashed ! | | Re-pasted your code into mine and it's now fixed. | | I'll examine the differences between my original paste-in and the new | one after wrok tomorrow. | | Will then make a new upload which will include this CSS fix, | Joe's frames/smiley fix and my 'beep guard'. | | 'beep guard' == http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ArachneDevelopment/message/219 | | | ============================================================================ | | 37) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 4:18:45 pm | | ray> | Right then, that was easy, it could have been a bitch if there was | some other file involved. BTW I have some ideas for fixing the | last (IIRC) bit of trouble with hover, and that's the way it doesn't | line up right if the link is off the page to the left. | I should be able to start integrating your/Joe's code from 1.87 on | in the next while, looking forward to that. | | | ============================================================================ | | 38) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 4:20:33 pm | | ray> | This beep thing: I don't have that problem, maybe I fixed it in | passing, will check your code and see what that's all about. | | | ============================================================================ | | 39) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 4:24:39 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Does it seem to you that Wundergound.com has been | putting more javascript junk on their webpages? | | | ============================================================================ | | 40) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 4:39:15 pm | | glennmcc> | I haven't been to their site in months... so had not noticed. | | BRB | | ============================================================================ | Š| 41) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 4:46:45 pm | | glennmcc> | The 'front page' ain't too bad. | | total size = 70,121 bytes. | JavaCrap = 4,229 bytes | | ============================================================================ | | 42) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 5:04:11 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, it just seemed I couldn't find things on it with Arachne | that used to be there. It's hard to read with Arachne because it | is so much bigger than the screen. I was particularly talking | about the weather page one gets when clicking on icon thingy | that shows the time & temp in a specific zip code. | | | ============================================================================ | | 43) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 5:52:01 pm | | glennmcc> | Now I see what you mean. | | Whoa.... that's just NASTY !!! :( | | ============================================================================ | | 44) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 5:53:15 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Here's an easier way.... | | http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=44451 | | | ============================================================================ | | 45) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 5:54:44 pm | | glennmcc> | Be carefull loading the images. | | Visit with autoload of images turned off and then Rt-click on just the | ones you want to see. | | | ============================================================================ | | 46) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 5:56:14 pm | URL Š| | glennmcc> | Current radar image of my area. | | http://radblast.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/radar/WUNIDS_map?station=PBZ&brand= | | ============================================================================ | | 47) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 6:23:30 pm | | glennmcc> | Found the bug in onmouse.c | | // Guard against intrusion into the status line. | if (y2 > p->htscrn_ysize + p->htscrn_ytop) | y2 = p->htscrn_ysize + p->htscrn_ytop; | | | Commented-out thos 2 lines like so.... | | // Guard against intrusion into the status line. | //if (y2 > p->htscrn_ysize + p->htscrn_ytop) | // y2 = p->htscrn_ysize + p->htscrn_ytop; | | | Bug dead ! | | | Ray, | | That one is not dated. | | When did you put those in there ? | | | The file you sent via email does not have that.... nor this.... | | //Ray: Mar 11, 2005 | if (FRAME.xtop>p->htscrn_xtop) | x2 = p->htscrn_xsize + p->htscrn_xtop; | else | x2 = atomonmouse.xx + FRAME.xtop; | //Ray: end | | | ============================================================================ | | 48) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 6:39:05 pm | | glennmcc> | OK, narrowed it down.... | | The 1st file I have that includes the 'guard' is dated Mar 05, 2005 | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 49) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 6:51:30 pm | | glennmcc> | Till we figure-out a permanant solution....... | | //!!glennmcc: Mar 02, 2006 -- removed, caused problems on non-framed pages | //Ray: Mar 04, 2005 | // Guard against intrusion into the status line. | // if (y2 > p->htscrn_ysize + p->htscrn_ytop) | // y2 = p->htscrn_ysize + p->htscrn_ytop; | //Ray: end | //!!glennmcc: end | | | ============================================================================ | | 50) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 7:02:10 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Ready to be run-thru-the-riginer | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190-0302.zip | | ============================================================================ | | 51) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 7:05:08 pm | | glennmcc> | Includes Joe's frames/smiley bug fix. | | (per his suggestion... not the part in htmlutil.c | hence, not my 'dirty hack' of that part either) | | | ============================================================================ | | 52) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 7:27:59 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | I dunno what got flagged when. Often when I'm doing ongoing work | on some function that involves large numbers of constantly morphing | changes I just mark the entire block or function as changed or | under development since it is often not clear at the time which | changes will be kept. Sometimes I'll rewrite a function so completely | that there is almost nothing left of the original and I just | date the rewrite so that earlier versions can be compared as needed, | but there's no commenting of individual changes at all. | | So you had to remove the status line guard eh? Let me just go and | see how mine works there now. Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 53) Thu, Mar 02, 2006 - 7:35:11 pm | | ray> | That guard works ok for me but it wasn't that important, you just get | a hovering link that will intrude on the status line without it, | looks dumb, that's all. It's hard to imagine why that line would | cause you trouble, I think there must be something else afoot there. | All that stuff fried my brain, haven't been the same since ;-) | | FWIW, this is the current state of that block: | | | // { glennmcc/RAY: 05-03-03: Fix CSS (frames) hover bug: | /* | The screen originates at the top left corner. | | p->Ytop | is the current 'Y' coordinate of the top of the HTML window, | which varies with screen style, but not with resolution: | 0 when in fullscreen layout | 25 when the small Ikons, URL/title bar are across the top | 50 when the small Ikons, URL bar, Title bar are across the top | 50 when the buttons are on right side, URL bar, Title bar across the top | 100 when the large buttons, URL bar, Title bar are across the top | | FRAME.ytop | is the offset of the current frame within the HTML window. | | p->Frame[pAtom->frameID].posY | is the measure of the amount of vertical scrolling that has taken place | within the active frame (if any). | | AonM.y / AonM.yy | The top / bottom of the atom relative to its absolute position ('dy' below). | */ | int x1, x2, y1, y2; // Atom horizontal start, stop; vertical start, sto | long sz; // Size of the atom in bytes. | // Asignments for 'dx' and 'dy' made above are: | // dx = p->Frame[pAtom->frameID].posX; | // dy = p->Frame[pAtom->frameID].posY; | | // Absolute coordinates of atom are: scrolling XY - frame XY + HTML window X | // because scrolling right moves absolute positions on the screen left. | // Changing dx or dy offsets message, but doesn't 'clip' it. | // Bigger numbers move to the left and up repectively because dx/dy work | // subtractively. | dx -= FRAME.xtop; // - p->Xtop // Always 0 with HTML window hard left. | dy -= FRAME.ytop - p->Ytop; | | // If atom's left end moves past frame boundary due to scrolling, we want th | // whole atom to pop into view when hot anyway , so don't trim hot Š| // atom on the left unless it is right off the screen (0). NB this will onl | // work when the HTML window is always hard on the left margin of the | // screen, (which it always is as Arachne is now built) | // Note that when text is clipped by the left edge of the screen, the | // resulting text can be slightly shifted either left or right, due to the | // fact that the clipping always takes whole letters, which causes the | // text to be pulled more or less to the left due to the fact that | // with proportional fonts, character width varies. Note that this isn't | // a problem on the right side of the screen. | | x1 = 0; | { | if(FRAME.xtop > p->Xtop) // Is this a framed page? | // This allows *visible* part of over long link to hover even where the | // link can't overwrite anything. | x2 = p->Xsize + p->Xtop; // NB Bigger links won't hover. | else | // This works better for non-framed pages if there is a big link. WHY?? | x2 = AonM.xx + FRAME.xtop; | } | y1 = (int)(AonM.y + FRAME.ytop - p->Frame[pAtom->frameID].posY); | y2 = (int)(AonM.yy + FRAME.ytop - p->Frame[pAtom->frameID].posY); | // Guard against intrusion into the status line when there is no scrollbar. | RANGEHI(y2, p->Ysize + p->Ytop) | | sz = (long)((x2 - x1 + 1) * (y2 - y1 + 1) + 4 * sizeof(int)); | if(sz > 0 && 2 * sz < MAXHOVER) | { // RAY: typecast made same form as one below. | char *buf = malloc((uint)((long)(2L * sz))); | if(buf) | { | x_getimg(x1, y1, x2, y2, buf); | p->RestoreHoverAdr = | IEputSwap(buf, (uint)((long)(2L * sz)), CONTEXT_TMPIMG); | free(buf); | } | p->RestoreHoverX = x1; | p->RestoreHoverY = y1; | BigFontsAllowed(); | | // HideHover(); // Commenting this prevents hover going off! | // DrawAtom() Draws hovering atom, but not unhovering atom! | // Incr. dx moves highlight to the left. | DrawAtom(&AonM, dx, dy, // (See DrawAtom() L80) | p->Xsize + p->Xtop - | p->Frame[ActiveAtom.frameID].Scroll.xtop, | // select window can overwrite other | p->Ysize + p->Ytop - | p->Frame[ActiveAtom.frameID].Scroll.ytop, | p->Frame[ActiveAtom.frameID].Scroll.xtop, | p->Frame[ActiveAtom.frameID].Scroll.ytop); // frames... | | BigFontsForbidden(); | } // End: if(sz > 0 && 2 * sz < MAXHOVER) | // } Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 54) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 12:00:15 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, you wrote: | Ready to be run-thru-the-riginer | | Is that a sailing term I haven't heard of yet...like "hung from | the rigging?" | | | ============================================================================ | | 55) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 12:06:24 pm | | glennmcc> | Just a typo caused by my over-excitement due to Joe finding the cause/cure o | the frames/smiley bug and me finding the cause/cure of the problem in onmous | | ============================================================================ | | 56) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 12:07:27 pm | | glennmcc> | So... did you grab 190-0302.zip ? | | ============================================================================ | | 57) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 12:10:17 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I got it grabbed but I don't have it in the riginer yet. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 58) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 12:17:53 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, BTW how tight should I screw down that ringer? ... | or....are you too young to know what I'm talking about? | | ============================================================================ | | 59) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 1:05:53 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | test | | ============================================================================ Š| | 60) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 1:07:01 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep, that's what did it. | | An inadvertant space in the URL entry box. | | And yes... at only 46, I must be too young. | | | ============================================================================ | | 61) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 1:32:08 pm | | glennmcc> | gregy, | | Got that fixed. | | $message = eregi_replace("<br >", "<br>", $message); | | //add next 2 lines here.... | if (strlen($url)<3) { $url = "";} | if (strlen($email)<3) { $email = ""; } | | $nick = eregi_replace("<", "<", $nick); | | | ============================================================================ | | 62) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 1:41:57 pm | | glennmcc> | // Mar 03, 2006 -- prevent problems due to inadvertent space | // in URL and EMAIL fields | | ============================================================================ | | 63) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 3:09:43 pm | | glennmcc> | Cause/cure for another bug. ;-) | | --- in html.c --- | | if(getvar("HREF",&tagarg)) | { | add2history(frame->cacheitem.URL); | GLOBAL.nothot=1; | //!!glennmcc: Mar 03, 2006 -- correct problem with | //which results in URL of 'http:///' | if(strlen(tagarg)<1) strcpy(text,frame->cacheitem.URL); else | //!!glennmcc: end | strcpy(text,tagarg); Š| ___________________________________________________________________ | | | test page.... | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/basehref.htm | | | ============================================================================ | | 64) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 4:29:26 pm | | glennmcc> | v1.89 hit 2nd place tady :) | | ar175 5793 (Mar 20, 2004 to Oct 01, 2004) | ar189 5424 (since Nov 27, 2005) | ar183 5417 (Mar 06, 2005 to Jul 27, 2005) | ar185 3334 (Jul 27, 2005 to Oct 30, 2005) | ar177 2729 (Jun 26, 2004 to Dec 09, 2004) | ar179 2472 (Dec 25, 2004 to Feb 16, 2005) | ar181 1605 (Feb 16, 2005 to Mar 06, 2005) | ar187 1345 (Oct 30, 2005 to Nov 20, 2005) | ar173 904 (Mar 20, 2004 to Oct 01, 2004) | | About another week or so and it'll be in 1st place. | | ============================================================================ | | 65) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 7:16:51 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, My ringer has a hand screw on top that lets one set | the rollers for the space between them...thin for undies, thick | for levis. | | ============================================================================ | | 66) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 7:21:03 pm | | glennmcc> | Ahhh, | | My aunt used one for many years. | | Now I remember, it also had that same hand screw setup for adjustment. | | | ============================================================================ | | 67) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 8:58:56 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, what am I specifically looking for in 190-0302 ? | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 68) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 9:06:22 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, What exactly is Cal driving at with the ZIP files... | I don't see what the problem is. | | ============================================================================ | | 69) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 9:11:41 pm | | glennmcc> | Everything we had in the other 190 series plus.... | | Joe's fix of the loooonnnnggg standing frames/smiley bug. | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmccc/smiley.bug/ | | And the 2 small fixes I did. | | 1) onmouse.c visa vi CSS lockup/crash at Washington Post RSS feed page | (post #5 above) | | 2) fixed | (post #63 above) | | | ============================================================================ | | 70) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 9:17:09 pm | | glennmcc> | re: ZIP files | | Do you have a dir on your HDD that has several ZIP files in it ? | | If so, let's say it is at... | | C:\my_zips\ | | Now, type this into your URL bar and press enter.... | | file:c:\my_zips\*.zip | | Instead of giving you a dir listing if all the ZIP files in that dir | allowing you to then link to any individual one you want to then list | its contents. You will get a TXT file showing thew contents of the first | one encountered. | | To do a dir listing............. | | file:c:\my_zips\*.zi* | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 71) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 9:27:55 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I tried that with this core and I never got the files | inside the ZIP. When I download I now get a page of the files | inside the ZIP and I have to press F2 to save them, which is | different than before. I used to get the SAVE page after a | ZIP download. | | ============================================================================ | | 72) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 9:35:16 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, When I enter file:d:\*.zip in the URL box I get a page | with an icon for each entry in the D: directory which has 2 zip | files of core 0228 and 0302 in it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 73) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 9:38:36 pm | | ray> | Evnin' gentlemen. | | Tough day in the abatoir today but saved 400 bytes. | | | ============================================================================ | | 74) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 9:54:45 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | Uncomment these lines in the [glennmcc stuff] section of mime.cfg | by removeing the ; from the start of each line. | | ;application/zip ZIP>TXT|[300]unzip -l -v $1>$2 | ;application/x-zip ZIP>TXT|[300]unzip -l -v $1>$2 | ;application/x-zipped ZIP>TXT|[300]unzip -l -v $1>$2 | ;file/.zip >TXT|[300]unzip -l -v $1>$2 | | | ============================================================================ | | 75) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 9:56:15 pm | | glennmcc> | Also make sure that unzip.exe is located in the arachne_main dir | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 76) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:03:57 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, These are my lines and they are all active. | | application/zip ZIP | application/octet-stream EXE | application/octet-stream COM | application/x-zipped ZIP | application/zip ZIP | | ============================================================================ | | 77) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:05:55 pm | | glennmcc> | Those are for remote files. | | This is the one for local files. | | file/.zip >TXT|[300]unzip -l -v $1>$2 | | | ============================================================================ | | 78) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:09:22 pm | | glennmcc> | Located a bit further down.... | | ;audio/x-mod MOD|@d:\\audio\\mod\\cp16\\cp.EXE $1 | application/zip ZIP>TXT|[300]unzip -l -v $1>$2 | application/x-zip ZIP>TXT|[300]unzip -l -v $1>$2 | application/x-zipped ZIP>TXT|[300]unzip -l -v $1>$2 | application/x-arachne-package APM>TXT|[300]UNARJ l $1>$2 | ;application/x-arachne-package APM|$eacopy.exe $d e:\\arachne\\apm\\ $1 | ;file/printprn.dgi |[100]TYPE _*.txt>PRN\ntype formfeed>prn | | ;file/printbmp.dgi |[100]g:\\graphics\\printgfd\\printgfd.exe _4prt.bmp / | ;file/printjpg.dgi |[100]g:\\graphics\\printgfd\\printgfd.exe _4prt.jpg / | | ;file/.mp3 |@d:\\audio\\DOSAMP\\DOSAMP.EXE $1 -downsample | ;file/.mp3 |@d:\\audio\\mpxplay1.479\\mpxplay.exe -m $1 | ;file/.mp3 |call C:\\1batch\\aramulti.bat $1 | ;file/.ogg |call C:\\1batch\\aramulti.bat $1 | ;file/.ogg |@d:\\audio\\mpxplay1.479\\mpxplay.exe -m $1 | ;audio/x-vorbis |call C:\\1batch\\aramulti.bat $1 | ;audio/ogg |call C:\\1batch\\aramulti.bat $1 | ;audio/x-vorbis OGG|@d:\\audio\\mpxplay1.479\\mpxplay.exe -m $1 | ;audio/ogg OGG|@d:\\audio\\mpxplay1.479\\mpxplay.exe -m $1 | ;file/.mid MID|copy $1 $2 \n d:\\audio\\cndmidi\\cndmidi.exe $2 | ;file/.s3m |@d:\\audio\\mod\\cp16\\cp.EXE $1 | ;file/.mod |@d:\\audio\\mod\\cp16\\cp.EXE $1 Š| file/.zip >TXT|[300]unzip -l -v $1>$2 | file/.arj >TXT|[300]UNARJ l $1>$2 | | | ============================================================================ | | 79) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:11:29 pm | | glennmcc> | It's all the way at the top of mime.cfg in this section.... | | [glennmcc stuff] | file/lynx.dgi |@call $edoslynx.bat $s | file/savefile.dgi >txt|if exist $s goto ne\ncopy /b $l $S>$2\ngoto end\n:ne\ | file/dir.dgi >htm|dir $klastdir \|$esystem\\dgi\\fixmem.com dir>$2 | | | ============================================================================ | | 80) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:19:21 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, In mime.cfg date 03/01/06 I do not find [glennmcc stuff] | | | ============================================================================ | | 81) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:24:17 pm | | glennmcc> | Where did you get that file ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 82) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:30:15 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, That's a good question. I think I got it from | the ringer! Do you think maybe it's from Ray ? Or it may | have crept in from an old install. | | ============================================================================ | | 83) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:32:55 pm | | glennmcc> | Well.... the [glennmcc stuff] section has been in every version I have | released for the past 3 years. | | So we know you did not get that from one of my releases. | | Ray, | | Have you been up to your 'let's delete stuff I don't like' tricks again ??? Š| | | | ============================================================================ | | 84) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:42:24 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I got it now.....renamed the mimes....got one of yours | working now....works like you said. | | | ============================================================================ | | 85) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:45:14 pm | | glennmcc> | So.... that _was_ a mime.cfg that you got from Ray ??? | | ============================================================================ | | 86) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:45:45 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I seldom use those things....I just ALT-E and go to | town.....when I'm thru....EXIT. | | ============================================================================ | | 87) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:46:50 pm | | glennmcc> | tell ya what...... you hold him, I'll kick his ass. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 88) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:47:17 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I think it was probably from the 1.6x vintage. | | ============================================================================ | | 89) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:49:23 pm | | glennmcc> | Uh oh, now Ray is gonna kick _my_ ass for jumping to wrong conclusions. | | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 90) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:52:18 pm | | glennmcc> | Question: | | Why the heck were you using a v1.6x mime.cfg with a v1.8x and up core.exe ?! | | FYI, | | There are a whole bunch of lines that have been changed and added | that are _needed_ for the new versions. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 91) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:54:43 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I think you'd be kicking the wrong culprit..... | besides...you don't want to get your shoes all dirty...or... | if your a "bare foot pro"....well that would be even worse. | You could get your toe stuck and get an ass burn as you got dragged | away! | | ============================================================================ | | 92) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 10:58:18 pm | | glennmcc> | Well, time for bed... see ya tomorrow after work. | | ============================================================================ | | 93) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 11:02:57 pm | | Eric> | Well, as Bogie would say: "Good nite, Shweet 'art"! | | | ============================================================================ | | 94) Fri, Mar 03, 2006 - 11:05:34 pm | | Eric> | I'll probably be hard to find for a while....got a water pump to | replace on my car....wish me luck! | | ============================================================================ | | 95) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 8:41:49 am | | ray> | I'm inocent! I don't deal in hacked up mime.cfg's, ya gotta believe Š| me. | | | ============================================================================ | | 96) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 11:44:37 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Water pumps aren't usualy a big deal, you'll do it in no time. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 97) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 1:08:52 pm | | Eric> | Ray, It's only 2 degrees C. outside and I have to take half of the | front end parts off the car to get at it. It's not a nice outside | winter job. | | ============================================================================ | | 98) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 1:34:28 pm | | gregy> | hmmmm...must be a ford...???.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 99) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 1:43:17 pm | | gregy> | please forgive me, Eric....that was unkind....if it was balmy outside.. | yes....that's something to joke about....but...at 35degrees, with some | wind and precip....hey...!!!....that was uncalled for... | ... | oh...and you midwest folks better brace yourselves for this storm that's | going thru here, right now....it could be a bit of a bearcat by the time | it gets to you... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 100) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 1:45:53 pm | | gregy> | Glenn....0302...yes...it now goes over the links fine, on that stupid | WashCompost page......but...boy!!! they sure have useless RSS feeds... | ..just links, no synopsis or anything....can't tell what the story is | about....just like the Compost...super-full of itself..... Š| ... | ..but...the "crash" is fixed...anyway....and the RSS works...so...HEY | ...!!!...success and progress...!!!..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 101) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 2:09:29 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Yeah, just because it's spring here doesn't mean it's spring there :( | And, for some reason, I picture you as always driving and older | car that is easy to work on. Naturaly, if the car is recent, a | water pump job could involve removing the gas tank and dropping | the engine and could take a dozen hours. I hate late model cars -- | they are fine until something goes wrong, at which point repairs | become a nightmare. | | | ============================================================================ | | 102) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 2:40:32 pm | | Eric> | Ray, It's a big old '87 Caddy Fleetwood Brougham V8 with a | cast iron water pump that weighs almost as much as the engine | in that little car you have. What was it now ? a Toyota? | And it has all these darn crossbraces that have to be removed | and reinstalled, inorder to get at the real stuff. | | | ============================================================================ | | 103) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 2:48:48 pm | | glennmcc> | Driving a Caddy now are we ??? | | We're moving _UP_ in the world it seems. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 104) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 2:51:27 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | Found something strange. | | My current compile has the 'intrusion' lines commented-out. Š| | But.... CSS linkhover is _not_ intruding into the status line. | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/testcssf2.htm | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 105) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 3:01:45 pm | | glennmcc> | But..... in 1024x768 res, and in a frameset.... linkhover is not | going back to original color when we move off of the link. | | The same page when viewed by itself. (rightclick within the frame) | Linkhover _does_ go back to original color in all resolutions. | | Both in a frameset and by itself, | everything is fine in both 800x600 and 640x480 | | It's just when viewed in a frameset and in 1024x768 res that it's not. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 106) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 3:41:52 pm | | ray> | You never know whats going to come and bite you. Checking that, | my results are different but still busted -- in 1024x786 I get | no hover color at all, that's using testcssf2.htm above. As there, | other res are fine. | | | ============================================================================ | | 107) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 3:45:41 pm | | ray> | Same with test3 and test4 -- no hover at all in 1024x | | | | ============================================================================ | | 108) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 3:48:40 pm | | ray> | Gotta do some work, will investigate further latter. | | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 109) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 4:02:25 pm | | glennmcc> | No color change instead of not changing back to original. | | curiouser and curiouser ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 110) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 4:06:28 pm | | glennmcc> | Gotta be something to do with hidehover() and/or checkhover() | | ============================================================================ | | 111) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 4:07:13 pm | | glennmcc> | Gonna go look in parsecss.c at checkhover() | | BBL | | | ============================================================================ | | 112) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 4:14:24 pm | | glennmcc> | Nothing changed in there except the stuff for defaulting to a | contrasting color when 'text' is missing from the style sheet. | | I did not like the way mine wirked, so I commented it out yesterday. | | Do you still have your implementation in there ? | | ============================================================================ | | 113) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 5:40:26 pm | | ray> | I'm just backtracing this now, lets see if that ever was | working properly here, I could have missed it all together | back then. | | | ============================================================================ | | 114) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 6:02:44 pm | | glennmcc> | It's working OK in v1.83 | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 115) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 6:04:02 pm | | glennmcc> | Broken in v1.85 | | ============================================================================ | | 116) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 6:08:04 pm | | glennmcc> | This set of changes in v1.85 must be what did it. | | Mar 06-14, 2005 | Ray and I fixed a few more glitches with CSS link hover | when used within a framed page. | | | ============================================================================ | | 117) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 6:14:35 pm | | glennmcc> | Found the 'glitch in the Matrix' | | //Ray: Mar 11, 2005 | // This allows *visible* part of over long link to hover. | | //commented-out these 3 lines and it's working again | | //if (FRAME.xtop>p->htscrn_xtop) | // x2 = p->htscrn_xsize + p->htscrn_xtop; | //else | x2 = atomonmouse.xx + FRAME.xtop; | //Ray: end | | | But of-course the glitch is back that does not turn off the linkhover | when the link goes past the edge of the visible screen. | | | ============================================================================ | | 118) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 6:16:50 pm | | glennmcc> | Would this work better ? | | if (FRAME.xtop>p->htscrn_xtop) | x2 = /* p->htscrn_xsize + */ p->htscrn_xtop; | | BRB | Š| ============================================================================ | | 119) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 8:25:13 pm | | ray> | Ohhhh, ah gots the onmouse bluuuse | Mama, untie mah shewwws | Got no trouble in atoms dot ceeee | but onmouse gona be the death of meeee. | | | ============================================================================ | | 120) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 8:30:35 pm | | ray> | Ok, this is what's happening. The fix for the hover increases | the 'sz' of all the links such that they fail the test against | MAXHOVER (sorry can't quote it verbaitm but you'll find it). I fixed | it by increasing IE_MAXSWAPLEN to 35000 and defining MAXHOVER | identicaly but obviously that's a memory hit that you can't afford. | Interestingly, with my code the 'sz' of all the links is the same | and it goes up and down with resolution, but with the older code, | 'sz' varies with each link but is the same for all resolutions | which explains why it's ok with my code on the lower resolutions | and why the old code would hover short links but not long ones. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 121) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 8:37:41 pm | | ray> | Now, it seems correct to me that sz should vary with resolution, | sheesh the size in bytes is related to the number of pixels needed, no? | However, there is no need for every link to have the same sz is there? | So that must be an unintended change. OTOH, the only way to be | sure of being able to hover any link that comes along is to increase | the MAXSWAPLEN, as I have done. | | ============================================================================ | | 122) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 8:42:21 pm | | ray> | Turd, | | Even 35000 isn't enough with 1024x if I switch to a horizontal | screen style, sure enough 'sz' goes up with the *potential* | size of the link, not it's actual length. | | BTW, the 'guard' ... note that it only shows when there is no | lower scrollbar. | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 123) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 8:44:58 pm | | glennmcc> | All of what you just said not withstanding. | | // If atom's left end moves past frame boundary due to scrolling, we want th | // whole atom to pop into view when hot anyway , so don't trim hot | // atom on the left unless it is right off the screen (0). NB this will onl | // work when the HTML window is always hard on the left margin of the scree | //!!glennmcc: Mar 04, 2006 -- compensate for _not_ being 'hard left' | x1 = (int)(atomonmouse.x + | FRAME.xtop - | p->htmlframe[atomptr->frameID].posX); | if(x1<0) | //!!glennmcc: end | x1 = 0; | //Ray: Mar 11, 2005 | // This allows *visible* part of over long link to hover. | //!!glennmcc: Mar 04, 2006 -- did not work in 1024x768 res | //this now works in all resolutions | if (FRAME.xtop>(p->htscrn_xsize + p->htscrn_xtop)) | // if (FRAME.xtop>p->htscrn_xtop) | x2 = p->htscrn_xsize + p->htscrn_xtop; | else | x2 = atomonmouse.xx + FRAME.xtop; | //Ray: end | | y1 = (int)(atomonmouse.y + | FRAME.ytop - | p->htmlframe[atomptr->frameID].posY); | y2 = (int)(atomonmouse.yy + | FRAME.ytop - | p->htmlframe[atomptr->frameID].posY); | | //!!glennmcc: Mar 02, 2006 -- removed, caused problems on non-framed pages | //Ray: Mar 05, 2005 | // Guard against intrusion into the status line. | // if (y2 > p->htscrn_ysize + p->htscrn_ytop) | // y2 = p->htscrn_ysize + p->htscrn_ytop; | //Ray: end | //!!glennmcc: end | | sz = (long)((x2 - x1 + 1) * (y2 - y1 + 1) + 4 * sizeof(int)); | //!!glennmcc: Mar 04, 2006 -- we are now guarding against this by | //limiting max fontshift to +1 ... therefore, we no longer need this fix | //!!glennmcc: Mar 13, 2005 -- fixes bug (see ab | // if (sz > 0 && sz < MAXHOVER) | if (sz > 0 && 2 * sz < MAXHOVER) | //!!glennmcc: end | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 124) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 8:46:33 pm | | glennmcc> | As to the 'guard' wgen no lower scroll bar... | | Even with the guard commented-out _and_ no lower scroll bar..... | | No intrusion here. :) | | BRB | | | ============================================================================ | | 125) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 8:50:47 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/frame.gif | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/noframe.gif | | ============================================================================ | | 126) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 8:52:47 pm | | glennmcc> | My guess is that this is sufficiant to prvent the intrusion. | | y1 = (int)(atomonmouse.y + | FRAME.ytop - | p->htmlframe[atomptr->frameID].posY); | y2 = (int)(atomonmouse.yy + | FRAME.ytop - | p->htmlframe[atomptr->frameID].posY); | | | | ============================================================================ | | 127) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 9:21:57 pm | | ray> | That's a detail anyway, damn the intrusion lets figure out how to | get the 'sz' down to something managable. BTW, I've come to | detest all my smartass 'long hovers' where the hover is longer than | the link under it. I'll bet if that stuff is cut out the size | problem will vanish. | | | ============================================================================ | | 128) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 9:27:34 pm | | glennmcc> Š| So.... how do you like my 'fixes' in post 123 ? | | ============================================================================ | | 129) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 9:28:29 pm | | ray> | Maybe you're right, no point arguing, if you're sure it's not a problem | then to hell with the guard. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 130) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 9:32:05 pm | | ray> | I think you are on to something vis bleeding fontshift. Is that why | the 'sz' is limited to 1/2 of MAXHOVER ? I wondered about that, and | since we both have it limited, ... BRB | | | ============================================================================ | | 131) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 9:34:04 pm | | glennmcc> | I'm not _sure_ of it. | | All I _can_ say is that it ain't intruding... yet. | | ============================================================================ | | 132) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 9:42:49 pm | | glennmcc> | BTW, | | This how simple that 'active code' ends up being.... | | x1 = (int)(atomonmouse.x + | FRAME.xtop - | p->htmlframe[atomptr->frameID].posX); | if(x1<0) | x1 = 0; | | if (FRAME.xtop>(p->htscrn_xsize + p->htscrn_xtop)) | x2 = p->htscrn_xsize + p->htscrn_xtop; | else | x2 = atomonmouse.xx + FRAME.xtop; | | | And no changes needed to either MAXHOVER nor IE_MAXSWAPLEN | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 133) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 9:44:32 pm | | glennmcc> | In-fact.... | we just might ba able to _reduce_ them now instead of increasing them. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 134) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 9:54:10 pm | | glennmcc> | So-far, so-good at 30200u :) | | ============================================================================ | | 135) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 10:10:21 pm | | ray> | Goodnight Glenn, enough for today. | Tomorrow I'll do some heavy duty analisis of this. What I'd | really like to know is why this is all so complicated. Seems to me | there should be a simple way of redrawing the hot atom within | it's existing boundaries -- no need to recalculate anything, just | redraw as is with changed colors. It should be simple, why isn't it? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 136) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 10:22:48 pm | | glennmcc> | It _is_ simple. | | I don't understand what you see as being complicated about this..... | | if (FRAME.xtop>(p->htscrn_xsize + p->htscrn_xtop)) | __________________________________^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | | That's all it took to fix the problem... just add that one section to | your oiginal 'test' of... if (FRAME.xtop>p->htscrn_xsize) | | Now the 'test' matches what we 'set' it to if if exceeds the test. | | if (FRAME.xtop>(p->htscrn_xsize + p->htscrn_xtop)) | x2 = p->htscrn_xsize + p->htscrn_xtop; | | It was that simple to fix. | | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 137) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 10:26:26 pm | | glennmcc> | This part has nothing to do with the most recent problem. | | //!!glennmcc: Mar 04, 2006 -- compensate for _not_ being 'hard left' | x1 = (int)(atomonmouse.x + | FRAME.xtop - | p->htmlframe[atomptr->frameID].posX); | if(x1<0) | //!!glennmcc: end | x1 = 0; | | | I found the 'x1 fix' just by accident as I was looking for the fix to thew | 1024x768 problem. | | I took a clue from you because you are always 'cleaning-up' my ideas. | | It's about time I cleaned-up something _you_ did. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 138) Sat, Mar 04, 2006 - 10:28:03 pm | | glennmcc> | Oops, messed that up. :( | | your oiginal 'test' of... if (FRAME.xtop>p->htscrn_xsize) | | Make that.... | | your oiginal 'test' of... if (FRAME.xtop>p->htscrn_xtop) | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 139) Sun, Mar 05, 2006 - 1:58:18 pm | | glennmcc> | After 'sleeping on it' I think I understand what you meant. | | You weren't talking about a complicated fix, but rather how complicated | the code if for the linkhover itself. | | If that's it... yes I agree, it's way too complicated. | | ============================================================================ | Š| 140) Sun, Mar 05, 2006 - 3:59:03 pm | | ray> | Exactly, I have this about figured out and your observations above | are helpful. It seems that my range checkers are needed to keep the | size of the swap buffer small enough to fit under the MAXSWAP limit. | The previous 'x1 = 0' works as far as it goes, but it breaks the | limit on 1024x pages, so a more frugal test is needed. | | However, the whole method here seems to me to be screwey. I've been | trying all day to get the 'DrawAtom' test to be a bit more | conservative about what it want's to do, and it's extremely difficult. | I'm sure I can cobble something together but it suxs. A whole new | approach is needed but I must consult with the Good Doctor ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 141) Sun, Mar 05, 2006 - 4:00:39 pm | | ray> | Oh, fogot, but the range checking doesn't and probably never did | protect the status line, I don't know where I got that idea. As I | said, those checks are still useful to limit the buffer size but | they don't protect nuthin. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 142) Sun, Mar 05, 2006 - 4:02:09 pm | | ray> | I probably thought that they 'should' protect it so they did ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 143) Sun, Mar 05, 2006 - 4:20:52 pm | | glennmcc> | The reason for the addition of the 'range check' for x1 can be made | obvious by scrolling the center frame more than 1/2 of the way right on | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/testcssf3.htm | so that the links go 'off the left' of the screen (in-esscence x1=<0 ) | and then moving the mouse over one of the links in that frame. | | With simply x1=0; when the mouse is move off of the link, the pare of | the hover overlapping the left-most frame does not turn off. | | x1 = (int)(atomonmouse.x + | FRAME.xtop - | p->htmlframe[atomptr->frameID].posX); | if(x1<0) | x1 = 0; Š| | With the addition of that....... the hover in the left frame now turns | off as-well. | | ============================================================================ | | 144) Sun, Mar 05, 2006 - 4:40:55 pm | | glennmcc> | Further testing just now shows that the modification to your original | line also fixes the problem I just described. :) | | And now that that section is modified... and my little hack down lower | for fontshift>3 has been removed.... I'm going to go re-check the RSS | feed page at the Washington Post with the status bar guard re-enabled. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 145) Sun, Mar 05, 2006 - 4:44:10 pm | | glennmcc> | No good.... still crashed. :( | | The gaurd has to stay commented-out for now. | | But since I am not getting any intrusion and since you say it prbaly did | not work as you expected anyways.... | | That's kinda a moot point..... eh ? | | ============================================================================ | | 146) Sun, Mar 05, 2006 - 6:28:38 pm | | ray> | Can you please repost the URL for that page that started us off on | this? I'd like to recheck it myself. Anyhoo, this is how she looks | to me now -- lots of guards, it works ok at 1024. Please check | my writeup, there could be errors in there still. It's so damned | hard to remember who and what uses absolute screen coordinates and | who uses relative coordinates. | | | ============================================================================ | | 147) Sun, Mar 05, 2006 - 6:29:22 pm | | ray> | | // [ glennmcc/RAY: 05-03-03: Fix CSS (frames) hover bug: | /* | The screen originates at the top left corner. | Notes below describe the 'Y' vertical coordinate variables but the Š| logic is same for the 'X' horizontal variables: | | p->Ytop -------------------------------------------------------------------- | is the absolute position of the top of the HTML window, | which varies with screen style, but not with resolution: | | 0 when fullscreen | 25 when Style 1 | 50 when Style 2 | 50 when vertical toolbar | 100 when Style 3 | | Note, p->Xtop is always zero since the left edge of the screen is | always the start of the HTML window on that side, regardless of resolution | or style. | | p->Frame[ActiveAtom.frameID].Scroll.ytop ----------------------------------- | As far as I can tell, this is identical to p->Ytop, above. | | FRAME.ytop ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Is the absolute position of the current frame. | It varies with screen style. | | AonM.y / AonM.yy ----------------------------------------------------------- | The top / bottom of the atom relative to its frame. | These numbers don't change as they are hard coded into the page. | | p->Frame[pAtom->frameID].posY ---------------------------------------------- | is the measure of the amount of vertical scrolling that has taken place | within the active frame (if any). | | dy ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | The *theoretical* position of the top of the current frame relative to the | HTML window after scrolling. Note this position can be off the screen. | No change with resolution or style. | Because scrolling right moves absolute positions on the screen left. | Bigger numbers move to the left and up respectively, in other words, | dx/dy work subtractively. | | Asignment for 'dy' made above is as follows: | dy = p->Frame[pAtom->frameID].posY; | | And below: | dy -= FRAME.ytop - p->Ytop; | | Thus dy = p->Frame[pAtom->frameID].posY - FRAME.ytop - pYtop | | Changing dx or dy offsets message, but doesn't 'clip' it. | | x1, x2, y1, y2; ------------------------------------------------------------ | The absolute horizontal start, stop; vertical start, stop, of portion of the | screen to be saved for restoration after hover is over. It is set below to: | | y1 = (int)(AonM.y + FRAME.ytop - p->Frame[pAtom->frameID].posY); | Š| sz; ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Size of the link image to be saved in bytes. | | Note that when text is clipped by the left edge of the screen, the | resulting text can be slightly shifted either left or right, due to the | fact that the clipping always takes whole letters, which causes the | text to be pulled more or less to the left due to the fact that | with proportional fonts, character width varies. Note that this isn't | a problem on the right side of the screen. | */ | { | int x1, x2, y1, y2; // Atom horizontal start, stop; vertical start, sto | long sz; // Size of the atom in bytes. | | dx -= FRAME.xtop; // - p->Xtop always 0 with HTML window hard left. | dy -= FRAME.ytop - p->Ytop; | // Coordinates of atom relative to HTML window | | x1 = (int)(AonM.x + FRAME.xtop - p->Frame[pAtom->frameID].posX); | x2 = (int)(AonM.xx + FRAME.xtop - p->Frame[pAtom->frameID].posX); | y1 = (int)(AonM.y + FRAME.ytop - p->Frame[pAtom->frameID].posY); | y2 = (int)(AonM.yy + FRAME.ytop - p->Frame[pAtom->frameID].posY); | // Keep 'sz' below less than MAXHOVER!! | RANGELO(x1, 0) | RANGELO(y1, 0) | RANGEHI(x2, p->Xsize) | RANGEHI(y2, p->Ysize + p->Ytop) | | sz = (long)((x2 - x1 + 1) * (y2 - y1 + 1) + 4 * sizeof(int)); | if(sz > 0 && 2 * sz < (long)(IE_MAXSWAPLEN - 4000)) //MAXHOVER | { // RAY: typecast made same form as one below. | char *buf = malloc((uint)((long)(2L * sz))); | if(buf) | { | x_getimg(x1, y1, x2, y2, buf); | p->RestoreHoverAdr = | IEputSwap(buf, (uint)((long)(2L * sz)), CONTEXT_TMPIMG); | free(buf); | } | p->RestoreHoverX = x1; | p->RestoreHoverY = y1; | BigFontsAllowed(); | | //printf("\r mX = %d, mY = %d ", aMOUSEX, aMOUSEY); | //printf("\r y1 =%d, FRAME.xtop = %d, FRAME.ytop = %d, posX = %d, posY = %d | // y1, FRAME.xtop, FRAME.ytop, p->Frame[pAtom->frameID].posX, p->Fra | | // Draw hovering atom; unhovering atom is restored from xswap. | // Incr. dx moves highlight to the left. | DrawAtom(&AonM, dx, dy, // (See DrawAtom() L80) | // p->Xsize + p->Xtop - p->Frame[ActiveAtom.frameID].Scroll.xt | // p->Ysize + p->Ytop - p->Frame[ActiveAtom.frameID].Scroll.yt | p->Xsize + p->Xtop - p->Xtop, | // select window can overwrite other | p->Ysize + p->Ytop - p->Ytop, Š| p->Xtop, | p->Ytop); | // p->Frame[ActiveAtom.frameID].Scroll.xtop, | // p->Frame[ActiveAtom.frameID].Scroll.ytop); // frames... | | BigFontsForbidden(); | } // End: if(sz > 0 && 2 * sz < MAXHOVER) | // ] | | | ============================================================================ | | 148) Sun, Mar 05, 2006 - 6:32:07 pm | | ray> | Note my using p->Xtop as == to ...Scroll.xtop seems ok, is there | some horible bug lurking there? | | Seems that the screen capture want's absolute coordinates and | DrawAtom want's relative ones :( | | | ============================================================================ | | 149) Sun, Mar 05, 2006 - 7:17:52 pm | | ray> | Never mind, found it on Google and I'm OK. | | | ============================================================================ | | 150) Sun, Mar 05, 2006 - 7:26:28 pm | | glennmcc> | Why not just go back to post #5 here on this page ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 151) Sun, Mar 05, 2006 - 7:27:24 pm | | glennmcc> | Oops, just looked again... #4 not 5 ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 152) Sun, Mar 05, 2006 - 7:34:30 pm | | ray> | Too lazy. | | Give my version above a boot and lemme know how it works for you. | I just wrote to Dr. T with a suggestion for a totaly different | approach :-) Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 153) Mon, Mar 06, 2006 - 3:12:20 pm | | gregy> | Re: My experimentation with using %DNS with Arachne using Miniterm and | EPPPD... | 1. Miniterm will dialup just about anything..... | 2. EPPPD will grab the SerialPort from Miniterm okay, and negotiate | the PPPconnection okay....then EPPPD checks ARACHNE.CFG and finds | %DNS. EPPPD doesn't LIKE this and refuses to install itself, and then | terminates with "Namerserver %DNS not a valid address" (or summat..) | 3. However, give EPPPD any valid DNServerIPnumber and it will install | properly....then | 4. Change to %DNS1/%DNS2 in ARACHNE.CFG and Arachne (actually CORE.EXE) | will happily use the values you poke into the ENV variables ...so... | ARACHNE properly uses %DNS1/2 but EPPPD (which doesn't use/need them, | at all) will not install. | CONCLUSION: | EPPPD has an erroneous "chech for DNServerIPnumber" section that | precludes easily using EPPPD with the ENV variables.... | HOWEVER....I'm hex-dumping EPPPD and can maybe poke a couple NOPs into | where the code comes out of the check and does a JR (jumprelative) to | the error code/termination.....this will let EPPPD install itself | properly...when the Namerserver/Altnameserver .CFG variables are NOT | IPnumbers... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 154) Mon, Mar 06, 2006 - 3:43:14 pm | | ray> | Gregy, IINM, you've got it backwards. EPPPD is not the user of %DNS1/2' | but the creator of those values via ip-up.bat. It's the wattcp | internal stuff that uses %DNS and gets those values from the environment | *after* they have been put there by epppd via ip-up.bat. At no time | does epppd read arachne.cfg. | | | ============================================================================ | | 155) Mon, Mar 06, 2006 - 3:48:53 pm | | ray> | One of the reasons I simplified my connection code is that I find | the stock system very confusing as far as figuring out who does | what. I find things much more straightforward dealing with | connection as the external matter that it is and treating | core as the *consumer* of IP and DNS numbers that it is. | If you set a DNS or IP number verbatim in arachne.cfg, core will | use those values, otherwise it must use either BOOTP or grab the Š| values from the environment via %MYIP / %DNS *if* they have been | put there via ip-up.bat. | | | ============================================================================ | | 156) Mon, Mar 06, 2006 - 5:21:17 pm | | glennmcc> | gregy, | | Since you need to use miniterm/epppd | along with these lines in arachne.cfg....... | | NameServer %DNS1 | AltNameServer %DNS2 | | Now you can :) | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190-0306.zip | | | ============================================================================ | | 157) Mon, Mar 06, 2006 - 6:01:47 pm | | glennmcc> | BTW, | | Also fixed the problem in atcpip.c that was messing-up those lines. | | --- in adial.c --- | //!!glennmcc: Mar 06, 2006 -- allow use of %DNS1 with miniterm/epppd | dns=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"NameServer",NULL); | if(dns && !strstr(dns,"%")) | sprintf(nameserver,"namsrv %s\n",dns); | else | strcpy(nameserver,"\0"); | //!!glennmcc: end | | //!!glennmcc: Mar 06, 2006 -- allow use of %DNS2 with miniterm/epppd | altdns=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"AltNameServer",NULL); | if(altdns && !strstr(altdns,"%")) | sprintf(altnameserver,"namsrv %s\n",altdns); | else | strcpy(altnameserver,"\0"); | //!!glennmcc: end | | | sprintf(buf,"\ | %s\n\ | irq %s\n\ | base %s\n\ | modem\n\ | crtscts\n\ Š| asyncmap 0\n\ | %s\ | %s\ | user \"%s\"\n\ | passwd \"%s\"\n", | configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"Speed",NULL), | irq,base, | //!!glennmcc: Mar 06, 2006 -- allow use of %DNS1 with miniterm/epppd | nameserver, | // configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"NameServer",NULL), //original line | // also changed "namsrv %s\n\" to simply "%s\" above | //(now matches altnameserver section) | //!!glennmcc: end | altnameserver, | __________________ | | --- in atcpip.c --- | | //!!glennmcc: Mar 06 2006 -- modified entire section to use | // 'dns', 'dns1' and 'dns2' insteasd of the original 'value' in all places | dns1=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"NameServer",NULL); | //!!glennmcc: Dec 12, 2005 -- add NameServer %DNS1 capability | if(dns1 && strstr(dns1,"%")) makestr(dns,getenv(&dns1[1]),19); | else strcpy(dns,dns1); | //!!glennmcc: end | if(dns) _add_server( &_last_nameserver, MAX_NAMESERVERS, def_nameservers, | dns2=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"AltNameServer",NULL); | //!!glennmcc: Dec 12, 2005 -- add AltNameServer %DNS2 capability | if(dns2 && strstr(dns2,"%")) makestr(dns,getenv(&dns2[1]),19); | else strcpy(dns,dns2); | //!!glennmcc: end | if(dns) _add_server( &_last_nameserver, MAX_NAMESERVERS, def_nameservers, | }//endif tcp/ip | } | __________________ | | | ============================================================================ | | 158) Mon, Mar 06, 2006 - 7:18:38 pm | | Ray> | Glenn, | | How's it with onmouse? | | | ============================================================================ | | 159) Mon, Mar 06, 2006 - 7:39:18 pm | | glennmcc> | No time yet to try your onmouse.c stuff. | | Too busy working on atcpip.c and adial.c for gregy. Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 160) Mon, Mar 06, 2006 - 8:05:12 pm | | ray> | But miniterm/epppd always worked before, what's the unique problem | with Gregy? Mind, we know there are problems lurking out there with | that and with lsppp, I don't doubt it, just want to know what it is. | | | ============================================================================ | | 161) Mon, Mar 06, 2006 - 9:19:35 pm | | glennmcc> | Until tonight... miniterm/epppd did not work with.... | | NameServer %DNS1 | AltNameServer %DNS2 | | Now it does. :) | | ============================================================================ | | 162) Mon, Mar 06, 2006 - 11:28:15 pm | | Eric> | Well guys I'm lurkin' again after replacing one water pump....but... | looks like I miss diagnosed....still had a leak from intake manifold to | head area at front of engine behind the water pump. | Sealer seems to have stopped the leak and I only have a few parts | leftover. One "extra" bolt, one "extra" washer, and a missing sheet metal | screw. Oh well, the car is 19 yrs. old with over 100,000 miles on it | so the pump sure wasn't new just a bad time of year for working outside. | Too darn cold! | | | ============================================================================ | | 163) Mon, Mar 06, 2006 - 11:36:06 pm | | Eric> | BTW, If someone is "flow charting", it would be real nice to see | a flow chart of the connection functions for miniterm/epppd and | lsppp! | | ============================================================================ | | 164) Mon, Mar 06, 2006 - 11:59:45 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...well...old buddy...I had a "workaround" (and pretty neat one, | too.......)...but...since you cured that....I'll just sandbag Š| that one, as "money in the bank/backup"...... | ... | yup...the 0306core works like a champ..... | ... | BTW...what is the new Insight for...??? I mean, what "new" features | or bugs should we be looking for in that....??? | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 165) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 12:11:21 am | | gregy> | Ray....Glenn has fixed that "won't load" problem with EPPPD using %DNS? | variables in ARACHNE.CFG....however.... | ... | Your premise is probably right....since Glenn recompiled CORE to get | that to work....but.....my premise is also right, at least from the | standpoint of what I've been able to see.....the problem IS when | Miniterm hands off to EPPPD and EPPPD negotiates the PPP connection | with my ISP's servers, then goes to finalize its installation as my | packetdriver....at that point it (something, whatever) looks at the | ARACHNE.CFG variables "Nameserver" and "Altnameserver" and finds %DNS1 | and %DNS2 there, instead of an IPnumber, and gives the "%DNS1 is not | a valid IPnumber" error and refuses to finalize EPPPD's install, and | then CORE kicks up the "Unable to Initialize PPP" error.ah...and there | I'm stuck... | ... | However, the interaction between EPPPD and CORE made it impossible for | me to exactly nail it down....I mean....it IS EPPPD that negotiates the | PPP connection, and I can see it doing that, then "it" fails at the last | moment (or, at least, it appears to be EPPPD that is failing)...but.. | now that Glenn has identified that it is/was CORE that was stepping in | at that last moment to halt the EPPPDinstall-finalization.....I can see | approximately what was happening... | ... | As I've said (and Eric just reiterated) this dialup/PacketDriverInstall | process could use some "flowcharting"....and I've been doing that in | the past couple weeks....but...it's now more clear to me....however.. | it would have become clear, in any event, once I got EPPPD disassembled | and found that that "%DNS1 is not a valid IPnumber" error was coming | from CORE, instead of EPPPD....then I would have whined and complained | to you COREcoders..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 166) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 12:15:31 am | | gregy> | And...Glenn...your "fix" DOES work, seemingly flawlessly (but, you know | we never want to say that too soon.....)...and I'm using it, now | as my CORE-of-choice, and will continue to do so...as usual, jes tryin' Š| ta do my job.... | ... | I'll, of course, let you know of any glitches I might run into... | | | ============================================================================ | | 167) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 12:25:36 am | | gregy> | Now...Glenn, Ray, Eric...et al....since my Nameserver/Altnameserver | variables are now stashed in my ENVIRONMENT...I can "ESC", run my | DNS.BAT (with whatever argument is applicable) and swap my DNSes "on | the fly"...which IS necessary, since I have had DNSes go out/down on | me intermittantly over the past several years, and I needed to swap | to an alternative (which my ISP has three sets of them and I dug up | an alternate set from FreeNIC, too)...OR...OR...I was buggered until | the DNSes were put back online...well..I refused to be stopped, so, | thus, my running with multiples in my ARACHNE.CFG...but...now these | are in my DNS.BAT...and all's well.... | ------DNS.BAT------ | @echo off | if "%1" = "M" goto MT | if "%1" = "m" goto MT | | if "%1" = "W" goto WY | if "%1" = "w" goto WY | | if "%1" = "I" goto ID | if "%1" = "i" goto ID | | if "%1" = "F" goto FR | if "%1" = "f" goto FR | | :MT | set dns0=MT | set dns1=65.19.193.20 | set dns2=65.19.193.21 | goto END | | :WY | set dns0=WY | set dns1=65.19.208.20 | set dns2=65.19.208.21 | goto END | | :ID | set dns0=ID | set dns1=199.104.81.6 | set dns2=199.104.81.3 | goto END | | :FR | set dns0=FR | set dns1=216.220.0.1 Š| set dns2=204.70.57.242 | goto END | | :END | | | ============================================================================ | | 168) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 12:36:17 am | URL | | gregy> | Ray...here is that link for the RSS feeds at the Washington Post...which | is where that "onhover" crash was happening.... | | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/rss/index.html | | Just load that page and run your mouse over the black RSS links on the | laft hand side of the page (no need to click a link)...and I can about | garantee the crash will happen....unless you're running Glenn's 0302 or | this new 0306 CORE..... | ... | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 169) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 12:44:08 am | | gregy> | Ray...Re: 160..."what's the problem"...well, ole buddy...it'd be nice | if you'd quit being lazy and load the previous posts....it was pretty | well laid out there (you KNOW I usually manage to describe a problem | in a logically step-by-step manner).... | THE problem was that - with ARACHNE.CFG variables "Nameserver" and | "Altnameserver" set to "%DNS1" and "%DNS2" - Miniterm/EPPPD would dialup | and negotiate speed, and PPP connection, all the way up to the moment | that EPPPD was going to finalize its install as my packetdriver. At | that moment, "something" (now turns out CORE) was taking a look in | ARACHNE.CFG, finding "Nameserver %DNS1" and halting the finalization of | the loading of EPPPD as packetdriver, with the error (in the Terminal | Window) of "%DNS1 is not a valid IPnumber" and then CORE was kicking up | the standard Arachne errorpage of "Cannot Initialize PPP".... | ... | Have I failed to describe the problem...??? If so...please ask | questions and I'll try to clarify.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 170) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 12:47:45 am | | gregy> | AND...FYI...EPPPD never, ever sets any %DNS1/2 thingees in Environment Š| ...that only happens with LSPPP....all IP-UP.BAT does is set the MYISP, | REMISP, (and two other "netmask, etc" variables)...but never says a | thing about %DNS1/2, or suchlike... | | | ============================================================================ | | 171) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 12:49:22 am | | gregy> | To get the %DNS1 and %DNS2 variables set in the Environment, using the | Miniterm/EPPPD process, you need to manually (or semi-automagically) | run my DNS.BAT....and....voila...!!! it's good for go.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 172) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 12:51:41 am | | gregy> | FWIW....Now that the thing is more-or-less settled and working, I'm | semi-automagically running the DNS.BAT from the tailend of my | AUTOEXEC.BAT....with the further option of collapsing Arachne and then | manually running DNS.BAT with an Alternate-DNS argument, instead of the | default MT sets.. | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 173) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 12:55:46 am | | gregy> | Eric.... | ...."One "extra" bolt, one "extra" washer, and a missing sheet metal | screw" | sheesh...!!! That's pretty neat work....I mean, I usually end up with | lots more left over, and missing a few others.... | ...and...I was a "production mechanic" at one time...handled the whole | UPS fleet, here in Havre.....so....I'd say your a "craftsman"... | | | ============================================================================ | | 174) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 12:57:08 am | | gregy> | oops...."..you're a "craftsman"..." | | | | ============================================================================ | | 175) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 1:01:24 am Š| | gregy> | BTW...Re: %DNS1/2 flap....I had figured out how to "DO" it...FWIW...I | found that - if I set an .ACF up with just "Nameserver 111.111.111.111" | for use strictly as dialing-ACF - I could immediately-after-dialup swap | to a "standardized" .ACF (with Namerserver %DNS1 and Altnamserver %DNS2) | and everything would run superfine....it was just the packet-loading | that was getting screwed with...so...I had it "workedaround" but Glenn's | recompile did the REAL fix..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 176) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 1:10:33 am | | gregy> | Glenn....BTW52 1/2.......I notice that after dialing/etc..the | packetdriverfinalization takes a VERY slight hesitation delay (compared | to using the actual .CFG IPnumber variables).....it's NOT more than just | slightly noticeable...NOT any even tiny problem...but.. | .. | I deduce this is due to CORE having to go out to the Environment for the | actual values, rather than finding them "right-to-hand" in ARACHNE.CFG | ... | Am I possibly correct.....??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 177) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 1:29:25 am | | Eric> | Grey, I'll figure where that bolt goes and still lookin' for | the screw. The screw is for the fan shroud and not critical. | The bolt is probably to bolster the brackets holding alt, pwr str, | compressor, or air pump. These Caddies have twice/three times the | support as my other GM vehicals. All sorts of hidden hard to reach | bolts. Replacing the actual waterpump is the easy part. | Except they didn't give me new studs for the fan and I had to | remove the old studs with out screwing up the threads which took | a while. And of course half the bolts are metric and half are | SAE which takes more time. | | | ============================================================================ | | 178) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 1:37:45 am | | Eric> | Re: #177 | Gregy, Sorry, typo, didn't mean to give you a new nick. | Nor was I referring to you as an old horse...Ole Grey... | | ============================================================================ | Š| 179) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:41:40 am | | gregy> | well...Eric...this winter I let my beard grow (just to see what it was | like to have one, again, after 25 years....)...and...if I was gonna | give myself a nickname while looking in the mirror...I'd pick "Ole | Grey" myself....so....you're forgiven.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 180) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:44:37 am | | gregy> | Re: The close-in, hidden things of life in a GM engine compartment are | well known to me...which is why all I'm driving are two Chevy pickups.. | ...old ones....which have almost enough room between the engine and the | fenders for me to slide down past them to inspect the oilpan (not quite | enough, due to my swelled head.......)..... | what I mean, is.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 181) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:47:12 am | | gregy> | ..when it comes to working on a vehicle....my motto is, "Don't fence me | in."...... | | | ============================================================================ | | 182) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:48:15 am | | gregy> | BTW...Glenn...your 306core has survived a night of web-cruising...so... | I guess...for all major items...it's good to go..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 183) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 3:52:52 pm | | glennmcc> | The new insight.exe 'reverses' my change from last Nov where I limited | the display of the subject line to 78 characters in the inbox, outbox, | sentmail, mail subfolders, etc, etc. | | It's now back to the original setting of 127 characters. | | It also puts a 'hard-limit' of 255 characters on the subject line when | composing, replying etc, etc, | | core.exe was already trimming any subject line down to 256 Š| when grabbing it from an existing mail message to place it onto the new | reply, forward, resend, etc, etc. | | But it was still possible to over-ride that by placinfg a subject line | of more than 256 characters into the input field. | | I found that trying to over-ride it by mamnually entering a veeerrryyy | looonnnggg subject line cuased a crash. | | cgiquery.c now trimms all attemted overrides to 255 characters. | | If we gfet any reports of crashes due to over-riding the To:, CC: BCC: | etc, etc fields ... we may need to place that 'trimming' code onto all | of the lines. | | | ============================================================================ | | 184) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 3:56:42 pm | | glennmcc> | as to epppd looking at arachne.cfg..... | | nope.... not arachne.cfg..... | .... pppdrc.cfg (created by core.exe from data in arachne.cfg) | | That's what I changed in core.exe | | Now when we have %DNS1 and %DNS2.... the namsrv lines do not get | written into pppdrc.cfg | | ============================================================================ | | 185) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 3:56:44 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Yeah, I see that indeed epppd does not set DNS1/2, via ip-up.bat, | I stand corrected. So how on earth can epppd be made to work | with 'NameServer %DNS1' ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 186) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 4:03:46 pm | | ray> | Relooking at Glenn's code I'm more stumped, seems that all you're | doing up there is wiping out the value if it contains a '%'. | If epppd doesn't set DNS1/2 how could those values possibly be | of use? | | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 187) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 4:08:02 pm | | glennmcc> | That's because epppd does not need to know the DNS addresses ahead of | time (at start-up) | | Core.exe needs them for use in atcpip.c | | So by grabbing them from the environment (or via BOOTP), and then giving | them to epppd only when it needs them (at time of request)... we are | good-to-go. | | ============================================================================ | | 188) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 4:20:13 pm | | glennmcc> | URL line or clicked-link... http://www.somewhere.com/index.htm | | 1) core.exe grabs the DNS(s) from ENV or BOOTP or from arachne.cfg | 2) core.exe asks epppd.exe to contact that DNS and request the current | IP address of http://www.somwhere.com/ | 3) epppd.exe answers-back with that IP address (let's say... 123.456.789.123 | 4) core.exe asks epppd.exe for http://123.456/789.123/index.htm | 5) epppd.exe asks http://123.456.789.123/ for index.htm | 6) epppd.exe gives index.htm core.exe to then be saved into the cache | | But in all references that we see.... the IP address is not shown, | but rather simply the domain name associated with that IP address. | | The only time we see that IP address is if we put it in manually | after getting it from a service such as trace route or whois. | | ============================================================================ | | 189) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 4:23:04 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | A trace route to http://cisnet.com/ gave me ... 63.109.216.64 | | So http://cisnet.com/ == http://63.109.216.64/ | | | ============================================================================ | | 190) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 4:24:35 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Or so one would think ;-) | | That IP address actually took me to one og the pages hosted at CisNet Š| instead of the the 'front page' at CisNet itself. | | ============================================================================ | | 191) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 4:33:15 pm | | glennmcc> | Whois gave me the same IP address but also this further info.... | | ARIN Details | CISNET.COM | 63.109.216.64 | Record Type: IP Address | UUNET Technologies, Inc. UUNET63 (NET-63-64-0-0-1) | 63.64.0.0 - 63.127.255.255 | National Church Supply UU-63-109-216 (NET-63-109-216-0-1) | 63.109.216.0 - 63.109.216.255 | | So let's see what we get at the lowest IP addresses 63.64.0.0 and .1 | and at the lowest ones in the second section.. 63.109.216.0 and .1 | | ============================================================================ | | 192) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 4:44:26 pm | | glennmcc> | Nope... the CisNet front page is not anywhere in that range. | | They must be 'masking' the IP in some manner. | | | ============================================================================ | | 193) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 4:59:09 pm | | glennmcc> | traceroute and whois at the Linux CLI gave me the same reults. | | However... traceropute in DOS says.... | | "Cannot tracerioute a Network!" | | So... it looks like they are behind a router making it imposible to get | the actual IP by any of those methods. | | We can only get it via the DNS and that method does not make the IP | 'visible' to us. | | ============================================================================ | | 194) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 6:37:41 pm | | gregy> | Thank you, Glenn...for the explanation starting 184.... | .. Š| gonna clip and save it.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 195) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 6:46:26 pm | | gregy> | Eric....if you clip/conv-to-text/save the last 64messages, or so, and | edit the extraneous out, you will have a pretty clear (or clearer) idea | of what happens with the "dialup/install packetdriver" process. | ... | At least, it'd give you a starting point for questions.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 196) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 6:47:36 pm | | glennmcc> | That is a very over-simplification of the way things work. | | So, don't save it in _too_ important of a place. | | ============================================================================ | | 197) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 6:52:58 pm | | gregy> | "nope.... not arachne.cfg..... | .... pppdrc.cfg (created by core.exe from data in arachne.cfg)" | | awww shucks...you beat me to it... that pppdrc.cfg was the NEXT | thing I was gonna ask about, 'cause pokin' around, I saw those things | in it...and was determined I was gonna find out where they were coming | from, and how they were being used.... | ... | ...but...I refrained for the time being (on the theory of "question | overload adds confusion") and...of course....as part of your explanation | you needed to briefly cover them, too.... | ... | Anyway...again...thanks...for the explanation...and also for the fix.. | ...which, BTW...is in fulltime use, still without major glitches... | ... | And...I'll add back the "reconstituted" Insight....errmmm..that is..if | that Insight is being put back into the APackage as the "standard" one | ...??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 198) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 6:53:28 pm | | Eric> Š| Gregy, Are you psychic? How'd you know I was lurking? | | | ============================================================================ | | 199) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 6:53:59 pm | | gregy> | he he...If I do NOT save it "preciously"...I'll lose it..and hafta ask | you again....and then you'll hafta kill me...... | | | ============================================================================ | | 200) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 6:54:49 pm | | gregy> | nah...not psychic....I just felt your fingers scrabbling toward your | keyboard..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 201) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 6:56:12 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep.... insight.exe v4.4 is now 'standard' for my next release package | and is already linked to via my Arachne D/L page. | | | ============================================================================ | | 202) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 6:58:11 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...I still have a couple questions to ask...but...this time about | LSPPP...but...I don't wanna ask them at this time, until I've digested | the MTerm/EPPPD stuff.... | .. | But..said questions will circle around the points of how LSPPP does | things, and how CORE interacts with it...and how the LSPPP process | differs/varies from the MTerm/EPPPD process.. | .. | but...enough, for now... | ..... | Oh, BTW...is that 0306core going to be incorporated into the main 190 | APackage when you release it...?? | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 203) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 6:59:36 pm | | gregy> Š| oh...you mean....now I hafta go d/l anOTHER release...????...sheesh..!!! | ..now WHY???? did I dive into COREtesting in the first place...???? | ... | he he he..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 204) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:02:15 pm | | gregy> | ah...I see what you meant...just the new Insight is listed on your d/l | page.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 205) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:08:43 pm | | glennmcc> | Nope... no new downloads just yet. | | And the next 'release package' I am planning to make will hopefully be | with Joe's core.exe not mine. | | v1.90;GPL,J | | And after that, if all goes well...... v1.91;GPL,R | | IMO, | It is time to retire the branch of the SRC code I have been working in. | | Therefore, if all goes as planned..... | v1.89;GPL,386+ == "glennmcc final" as far as core.exe is concerned. | | ============================================================================ | | 206) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:09:02 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...I have these Insights...I assume I can throw the first two away | ..???: | | INSIGHT EXE 83408 1-23-06 5:56p | INSIGHT EXE 83136 1-06-06 2:03p | INSIGHT EXE 83392 3-06-06 10:57p | | | ============================================================================ | | 207) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:11:19 pm | | gregy> | hmmmm...well....you can't do that....I mean...I alREADY have your 190 Š| core........you mean I'll hafta hide that..??? ...and, someday, | sell it for "big bucks" on eBay...like a postage stamp with the biplane | upsidedown....???? | ... | ? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 208) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:12:07 pm | | glennmcc> | Let's see... | | v1.71; | v | | ============================================================================ | | 209) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:17:28 pm | | gregy> | also....Ray's core...we all know that Arachne is much more than just | the core...but this past week's little process with the %DNSes thing | has reaffirmed how interactive all the components of the package really | are.... | ... | I still get amazed that Michael put it together, originally, and that | the "et al" have added/polished/refined it to where it is today.. | .. | I mean....do you know that our little browser does things the "other" | brands never even thought of doing.....most all of those "things" are | enhancements on UserFriendliness..... | ... | It ain't quite "there" yet (and prolly never will be, since we keep on | moving the goal posts) but it's "come a long way, baby".....at least | since I first started using it with 1.47...... | (1.47 on OS/2, BTW........I may be the FIRST Arachne user to run | in on OS/2)...... | | | ============================================================================ | | 210) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:18:26 pm | | gregy> | OS/2 version 2.0, to boot.....long long ago.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 211) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:19:44 pm | Š| gregy> | 1.71-1.89...that's only ten versions...you don't wanna quit quite yet | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 212) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:20:16 pm | | Eric> | Is there a way to save this board as text with Arachne? | | ============================================================================ | | 213) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:23:01 pm | | glennmcc> | As I started to say before hitting the F2 key too soon........ | | Let's see...... | | _____________________________ | | 1.89;GPL,386+ stable for DOS | ---- | Release date: Nov 27, 2005 | _____________________________ | | 1.87;GPL,386+ stable for DOS | ---- | Release date: Oct 30, 2005 (updated on Nov 02 and Nov 11, 2005) | (8th GPL version released since the release of v1.71;UE01 in Aug of 2002) | _____________________________ | | 1.85;GPL,386+ stable for DOS | ---- | Release date: Jul 27, 2005 | _____________________________ | | 1.83;GPL,386+ stable for DOS | ---- | Release date: Mar 06, 2005 | _____________________________ | | 1.81;GPL,386+ stable for DOS | ---- | Release date: Feb 16, 2005 | _____________________________ | | 1.79;GPL,386+ stable for DOS | ---- | Release date: Dec 25, 2004 | _____________________________ | | 1.77;GPL,386+ stable for DOS Š| ---- | Release date: Oct 01, 2004 | _____________________________ | | 1.75;GPL stable for DOS | ---- | Release date: May 08, 2004 | _____________________________ | | 1.73;GPL stable for DOS | ---- | Release date: Nov 8, 2003 | _____________________________ | | 1.71 stable for DOS (*First co-op compilation!*) | ---- | Release date: Oct 30, 2002 | _____________________________ | | | ============================================================================ | | 214) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:24:44 pm | | gregy> | Eric....select the desired "Show ?? messages" below, then when they | are downloaded/displayed: | 1. Press "P" and it will convert it; | 2. Select "Preview" | 3. "F2" and save it whereever you want it as whateverFilename.txt you | choose... | 4. Edit to your hearts content.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 215) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:25:29 pm | | glennmcc> | 10 public releases in just over 3 years. | | Not too bad for some code that was 'abandoned' by its original author. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 216) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:27:26 pm | | gregy> | Yeah...and I remember...you (and we) were REALLY antsy long about the | end of OCT 03...waiting for Michael to GPL it.....he he...I was a bit | surprised you held off after 31OCT a whole 8 days, before you released | the first "independent" version..... | Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 217) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:29:36 pm | | gregy> | BTW...you didn't answer my question.....is that DNSes fix in 190core | gonna be in the 1.90version package...???....I mean, it (along with the | "onhover" fixes) would seem to be part of the "product improvement" | committment....?? | | | ============================================================================ | | 218) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:31:50 pm | | glennmcc> | That'll be up to Joe to decide. | | But.... if I were a betting man..... ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 219) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:33:04 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Not bad for an Ohioian! | | | ============================================================================ | | 220) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:33:06 pm | | gregy> | nope...no bet.... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 221) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:34:03 pm | | gregy> | HEY...!!!....you two midwestees go out in the alley and beat each other | up, where we don't hafta watch..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 222) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:36:46 pm | | glennmcc> Š| Watch it Eric.... I resemble that comment. | | | ============================================================================ | | 223) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:37:06 pm | | gregy> | Eric...did you catch the "text convert and save"...I posted above..?? | | | ============================================================================ | | 224) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:39:53 pm | | glennmcc> | P, preview, F2 | | Is definately the easiest way to save this page as text. | | If you prefer an HTML version.... | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/cts0306a.htm | | | ============================================================================ | | 225) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:39:57 pm | | gregy> | well....it's been fun.......but, just think....there's been a lot | of stuff ("et al" stuff) entered into Michael's initial effort...I mean | ...Michael, himself, was consulting with others and incorporating their | efforts into the APackage....right from the start of my first joining | the AList in 1999 I saw that... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 226) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:40:46 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Oops, missed a day. ;-) | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/cts0307a.htm | | | ============================================================================ | | 227) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:42:03 pm | | gregy> | Eric...214 and 224 give the procedure... | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 228) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:42:30 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, What would we want to do that for ? .....My mother's | father was raised in Ohio, Mansfield area, and my Mom went to | Ohio State. As far as I know I still have distant relatives | in Ohio. | | | ============================================================================ | | 229) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:43:50 pm | | gregy> | and...BTW...you and Ray aren't figuring on having to "back out" your | "onhover" fixes you've already implemented...??? | ... | I mean...the WashPost RSSlinks are well nye useless without those fixes | ... | | ============================================================================ | | 230) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:46:29 pm | | gregy> | ah...well your "remark" sounded like a slightly derisive "neighborly | dig"....so....you'd better keep an eye peeled at the McC...and, if he | looks a tad adjatated, ship him a quick chocolate chip or two to | pacify him..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 231) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:49:16 pm | | gregy> | he he he.... | define:adjatated.... | he he he | agitated....shucks...mind is getting mushy, what with all the computer | aided mental activities (such as spelling) that we have available | nowdays...... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 232) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:49:34 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, That's the whole month so far....I don't need to go back | that far! Š| | Gregy, Thanx, I was trying it out....works fine...I learn something | new every day. | | ============================================================================ | | 233) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:51:04 pm | | gregy> | Boy...I forgot about that "find" thingee that Michael implemented...but | ...now that the McC has adapted it to his "define" thingee...I'm using | both of them almost religiously.....past few days, anyway.... | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 234) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:51:52 pm | | gregy> | See..???...keeps you young.... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 235) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:54:03 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, All I got is iced oatmeal cookies.....do you think a | pack of them will work? Along with a cup of java of course! | | ============================================================================ | | 236) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:55:54 pm | | gregy> | hmmmm.....now WHERE did you say you lived...??? | ... | I mean...iced oatmeal are MY cookies.... | ... | If I wasn't so lazy, anymore in my "approaching-middle-age"...I might | just hop in the big red 4x4 and drop by for a couple nibbles and a | cuppa.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 237) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:56:02 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Eric, | Š| Mansfield, you say ? | | That's less than 100mi from here. | | | ============================================================================ | | 238) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:56:29 pm | | Eric> | BTW, you know all this stuff should be in the help discourse! | | ============================================================================ | | 239) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:57:19 pm | | gregy> | Forget about the chocy-chips....McCorkle can buy his own...stick with | those oatmeal.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 240) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:58:22 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | So long as it's STRONG java ..... yes, that'll do it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 241) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 7:59:54 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, My grandfather's brother was a justice of the peace | that married Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall down there in Ohio, | so I was told. | | ============================================================================ | | 242) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:00:06 pm | | glennmcc> | Got my own cookies right here. | | 22 boxes of Girl Scout cookies to be exact. | | ============================================================================ | | 243) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:00:07 pm | | gregy> | Eric...you're right...there's a whole lot of "little-things-adding-up Š| to-a-giant-pile-of-functionality-and-usefulness" that's wrapped up in, | or dangling off of, this ArachneBrowserCommunity... | ... | hmmmm...we'll hafta think about working on those things, too... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 244) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:01:19 pm | | ray> | sheesh, I guy's got to go back 64 messages to see what's up just since | this morning. | | As to the epppd vs. DNS thing, I still don't get it but never mind. | It seems to me that %DNS1% must be set before it can be used and | that epppd does not set it (if it did it would do so via ip-up.bat). | Also, if epppd gets it via BOOTP (that's what I have going here | with epppd and lsppp) there would never be any need to display it | anywhere. With BOOTP we never see DNS at all. When we do see it, it's so | that core/wattcp can grab it for their own needs not so that they can | re-tell epppd from which the info came in the first place. | I dunno, probably missing something. | | | ============================================================================ | | 245) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:01:43 pm | | gregy> | yep...remember those ScoutCookies...just never get anyone coming around | selling them, anymore, at least not for the past 5-6 years, now.. | | | ============================================================================ | | 246) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:02:37 pm | | glennmcc> | Way kewl dude.... Your grand-uncle married Bogie and Bacall | | | ============================================================================ | | 247) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:06:52 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Sorry, all I got is instant but you can make it as | strong as you want. As a student, I met a young lady from | Columbia who made me a brew in a sauce pan. I've never had a | cup to match it before or since. She said it was her own stash | of Columbian coffee. | | ============================================================================ Š| | 248) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:09:39 pm | | gregy> | Ray...yeah...you're skipping over....your point is preSIZEly what I was | getting at...and Glenn confirmed... | EPPPD (and LSPPP for that matter) have NO need for the DNSnumbers...they | only get them for CORE.... | ... | Now, CORE used to stop the process and jerk EPPPD back out of memory | (not block EPPPD from installing itself, as it looked like it was doing) | ..but pull EPPPD back out of memory and knockdown the finalized | connection....if, immediately after EPPPD had finished its loading... | if CORE looked into ARACHNE.CFG and found no "Nameserver | nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn" in there, but found something else such as "Nameserver | %DNS1".....but... | ..as Glenn pointed out, and now YOU seem to be propounding, also.... | EPPPD has NO use for the DNSnumbers, just grabs them for CORE...and.. | CORE has NO business knocking the connection back down, just because | it gets sore that "Nameserver %DNS1" doesn't conform to what it (CORE) | thinks should be in that ARACHNE.CFG variable... | ... | ...so...Glenn fixed it... | .. | end of problem.... | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 249) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:11:42 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Geez, 22 boxes....I thought I was bad....you must be | supporting a whole GS troop down there. | | | ============================================================================ | | 250) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:12:19 pm | | gregy> | Oh, BTW...Ray...I want your latest "stable" (more-or-less) CORE, plus | ARACHNE.BAT....that is, if you're still interested in getting some more | testing on it.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 251) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:14:31 pm | | gregy> | Eric....Glenn's a muncher...I'll bet he eats lotsa choc-chip ice cream | ..too.....I mean....I do..... | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 252) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:16:15 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | epppd.exe does not place the DNSs into ip-up.bat and hence not into our ENV | even if we tell it those DNSs at startup. | | Just now dialed-up with miniterm/epppd and with my DNS #s in arachne.cfg | | This is my new ip-up.bat created by epppd.exe | | set myip=4.252.90.166 | set remip=209.247.21.177 | set netmask=0.0.0.0 | set peermru=1500 | | | And this is my new pppdrc.cfg created by core.exe | | 115200 | irq 4 | base 0xb800 | modem | crtscts | asyncmap 0 | namsrv 68.22.80.3 | namsrv 209.244.0.3 | user "glennmcc@cisnet.com" | passwd "*****" | | | | ============================================================================ | | 253) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:17:31 pm | | glennmcc> | BRB with results of dialing with lsppp.exe | | ============================================================================ | | 254) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:21:50 pm | | glennmcc> | This time, no DNDs speced in arachne.cfg nor in lsppp.cfg | (lsppp gets them from the server automagically) | | ip-up.bat created by lsppp.exe | | set myip=4.224.207.74 | set remip=209.244.31.10 Š| set netmask=0.0.0.0 | set peermru=1500 | set dns1=64.136.173.4 | set dns2=64.136.164.76 | | pppdrc.cfg created by core.exe | (lsppp.exe does _not_ use this file.. it uses strictly lsppp.cfg) | | 115200 | irq 4 | base 0x3f8 | modem | crtscts | asyncmap 0 | namsrv | namsrv | user "glennmcc@cisnet.com" | passwd "******" | | | ============================================================================ | | 255) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:22:35 pm | | glennmcc> | lsppp.cfg | | /M:at&fs7=90s11=50 | /x | /i:4 | /b:bx800 | /d:330-984-4005 | /B:115200 | /V:60 | /U:glennmcc@cisnet.com | /P:***** | | | ppp.log | | LADSoft PPP Packet Driver Ver 1.0 Copyright (c) LADSoft | Dialing...Connecting to network...Authenticating...Negotiating IP linkage... | Connection open | Installed packet driver handler at vector 0x60 | PPPD status: IP address set to 4.224.207.74 | | | ============================================================================ | | 256) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:22:44 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Yah, a quart of ice cream would taste good right now.... | only, I'd probably pick Black Cherry ! | Š| ============================================================================ | | 257) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:23:53 pm | | glennmcc> | important info from ..... set | | MYIP=4.224.207.74 | REMIP=209.244.31.10 | NETMASK=0.0.0.0 | PEERMRU=1500 | DNS1=64.136.173.4 | DNS2=64.136.164.76 | | ============================================================================ | | 258) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:31:19 pm | | glennmcc> | The chages I made in atcpip.c and now in adial.c are so that we can grab | the DNS #s we have 'set' into the ENV using some program other than Arachne. | | This way we can dial with lsppp.exe, run ip-up.bat, set the DNSs into | our ENV, run Arachne without any DNSs speced in arachne.cfg | and we don't need to use 'IP_Address BOOTP' in arachne.cfg | | We can do this in autoexec.bat | | lsppp.exe | call ip-up.bat | arachne.bat | | Arachne.cfg setup like so......... | | Connection Ready | IP_Address %MYIP% | NameServer %DNS1 | AltNameServer %DNS2 | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 259) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:40:21 pm | | glennmcc> | I'm here right now with those settings in arachne.cfg and these 4 steps | at the DOS command prompt. | | cd \arachne | lsppp | ip-up | arachne | Š| ============================================================================ | | 260) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:44:17 pm | | glennmcc> | Just now exited Arachne and came back here using that same connection made w | and the info it placed into my ENV via ip-up.bat | But I'm here with Lynx instead. | | ============================================================================ | | 261) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:45:44 pm | | glennmcc> | And now right back into Arachne again. ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 262) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:52:40 pm | | glennmcc> | And now hung up the modem by removeing lsppp from memory (lsppp /u) | | --- ran clrenv.bat --- | | set myip= | set remip= | set netmask= | set peermru= | set dns1= | set dns2= | __________________________ | | no ppp.log file exists, no pppdrc.cfg exists | | loaded my packet driver for the NIC (lne100tx.com) | | Now back again with Arachne on DLS connection and these settings in arachne. | | Connection READY | IP_Address BOOTP | NameServer | AltNameServer | Gateway 0.0.0.0 | AltGateway 0.0.0.0 | Netmask 0.0.0.0 | TCPconfig PPPTCP.CFG | | ============================================================================ | | 263) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:53:25 pm | | glennmcc> | DLS == DSL ;-) Š| | ============================================================================ | | 264) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 8:57:46 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/images/ara-dsl.gif | | | ============================================================================ | | 265) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 9:08:18 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Interesting, your DNS1 is in Southfield, MI just | about 5 mi. up the road from me. | | ============================================================================ | | 266) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 9:14:20 pm | | gregy> | So...where Ray got his idea about IP-UP.BAT putting the DNS1/2 values | in ENV was from the fact that LSPPP actually does this....while we | MTerm/EPPPD users need to semi-automagically load them, ourselves... | ... | So...ole Ray...wasn't so mistaken, afterall..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 267) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 9:17:20 pm | | gregy> | pppfrc.cfg....??? Glenn, how often does CORE create this file...??? | ..is it everytime Arachne re-launches...??? (i.e. after return from | an ALT-E, ALT-X, ESC, etc.)... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 268) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 9:20:50 pm | | glennmcc> | You mean this one at SBC DSL? | | 206.141.193.55 dns1.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net | | Yep... SBC/Ameritech/AT&T is everywhere. ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 269) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 9:22:15 pm Š| | glennmcc> | WHOIS Record For | 206.141.193.55 | Record Type: IP Address | | Ameritech Electronic Commerce AADS-BLK-2 (NET-206-140-0-0-1) | 206.140.0.0 - 206.141.255.255 | Ameritech Electronic Commerce AIMS-BLK-C1 (NET-206-141-192-0-1) | 206.141.192.0 - 206.141.255.255 | | ============================================================================ | | 270) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 9:27:31 pm | | glennmcc> | WHOIS Record For | 66.73.20.40 | Record Type: IP Address | | OrgName: SBC Internet Services | OrgID: SIS-80 | Address: 2701 W 15th St PMB 236 | City: Plano | StateProv: TX | PostalCode: 75075 | Country: US | | NetRange: 66.72.0.0 - 66.73.255.255 | CIDR: 66.72.0.0/15 | NetName: SBCIS-SIS80 | NetHandle: NET-66-72-0-0-1 | Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0 | NetType: Direct Allocation | NameServer: NS1.AMERITECH.NET | NameServer: NS2.AMERITECH.NET | Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE | RegDate: 2001-01-29 | Updated: 2005-09-30 | | RTechHandle: ZS44-ARIN | RTechName: IPAdmin-SBIS | RTechPhone: +1-800-648-1626 | RTechEmail: ipadmin@att.com | | OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE6-ARIN | OrgAbuseName: Abuse - Southwestern Bell Internet | OrgAbusePhone: +1-800-648-1626 | OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@sbcglobal.net | | OrgNOCHandle: SUPPO-ARIN | OrgNOCName: Support - Southwestern Bell Internet Services | OrgNOCPhone: +1-800-648-1626 | OrgNOCEmail: support@swbell.net | Š| OrgTechHandle: IPADM2-ARIN | OrgTechName: IPAdmin-SBIS | OrgTechPhone: +1-800-648-1626 | OrgTechEmail: IPAdmin-SBIS@sbis.sbc.com | | | ============================================================================ | | 271) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 9:32:06 pm | | glennmcc> | And finally on my current IP address...... | | WHOIS Record For | 68.252.129.116 | Record Type: IP Address | | SBC Internet Services SBCIS-SIS80 (NET-68-248-0-0-1) | 68.248.0.0 - 68.255.255.255 | PPPoX Pool - rback1.yntwoh SBC068252128000031215 (NET-68-252-128-0-1) | ^^^^^^ 68.252.128.0 - 68.252.129.255 | | | | connected via the Youngstown, OH DSL connection .. 10 mi east of here. | | ============================================================================ | | 272) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 9:34:50 pm | | glennmcc> | Wide enough range ;-) | | NetRange: 66.72.0.0 - 66.73.255.255 | | 2 * 256 * 256 == 131,072 addresses | | | ============================================================================ | | 273) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 9:41:05 pm | | glennmcc> | 68.248.0.0 - 68.255.255.255 | | 8 * 256 * 256 == 524,288 simultanious users with their own IP addresses | | 512k ought to be enough ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 274) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 10:14:46 pm | | ray> | Gregy, Glenn, | Š| The light grows brighter! But I've gotta say, you guys are homing | in on my way of connecting even if you don't know it yet. As Glenn | said above 'do it in a batchfile' ... *exactly* ... forget the | phoney internal stuff it's all a fraud and it limits you as to what | you can do vis the 'roura' that's formed. Once you bite the bullet | and accept the 'connect.bat' way, all becomes clear: you create the | .bat you need as you need and pass IP and DNS to core as needed | by whatever method (direct quote, BOOTP or some env string). | Simple, clear, modular, extendable, powerful. | | Gregy, I'd love to get you opinion of my core once the heat is off | with your current experiments with Glenn. Let me know when you're | off duty and I'll send it. It seems that it's about ready for | upload tho Bastiaan is having some difficulty I can't quite | understand with inbox. BTW I set B up with the compiler | and he knows diddley about programming but it's fine | Just press F9 and the rest is automagical. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 275) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 10:38:24 pm | | glennmcc> | You got it all wrong Ray. | | The internal stuff is by no means phony. | | It simply does the batch file automagically for the non-dos-users. | | In other words, it _is_ needed. | | Not by us ....... by WinAddicts we are trying to break from WinCrap. | | Honestly now, | | Can you name even one WinAddict whiom we hope to win-over who can do | this at the DOS command prompt ??? | | cd \arachne | lsppp | ip-up | arachne | | Can you name 3 who know what the DOS command prompt looks like ??? | | | | No... _we_ don't need the internal connection capabilities. | | But the WinAddicts we hope to win-over _do_ need it. ;-) | | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 276) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 10:45:38 pm | | glennmcc> | Let's say we include thisd BAT ion the release package. | | --- connect.bat --- | lsppp.exe | call ip-up.bat | arachne.bat | ___________________ | | The user will still need to manually create lsppp.cfg | | /M:at&fs7=90s11=50 <-- modem init string | /i:4 <-- IRQ | /b:bx800 <-- base port address | /d:330-984-4005 <-- p# to dial | /B:115200 <-- comport speed | /V:60 <-- packet driver vector | /U:username | /P:password | | | Where will they get the info needed for creating this BAT ?? | | Will they know what to do with the info once they get it ??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 277) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 10:49:34 pm | | glennmcc> | That's the purpose for the setup screens. | | Each piece of info needed is entered on those screens with an | explaination of each item and in some cases an example or two. | | Without the setup screens and without the internal connection | capabilities, no WinAddictr will _ever_ use Arachne becuase they will | _never_ be able to figure-out what to put into lsppp.cfg | | ============================================================================ | | 278) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 10:51:47 pm | | glennmcc> | Nor without the internal setup screens will they be able to use | miniterm/epppd because they won't know what info to put into arachne.cfg | | ============================================================================ | | 279) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 10:54:51 pm Š| | glennmcc> | Look at it this way... | | internal stuff == novice mode | | connect.bat == expert mode | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 280) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 11:06:35 pm | | gregy> | sheeesh...!!!....I'm with Ray....you go away for an hour, and you've | gotta dig back thru MegaBytes of new posts....!!!! | .... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 281) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 11:12:44 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...I agree 100% (I think, still digesting)...sorry Ray...but I | think I agree, and I think YOU agree, too..... | ... | Most Users (even older, experienced users) do NOT want to mess with that | geeky stuff....they just want to setup and go...and that means the | internal stuff is mandatory.....but, you, Ray, and right about "the REAL | way to do it" for people who are willing to do it... | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 282) Tue, Mar 07, 2006 - 11:19:57 pm | | gregy> | So does Glenn, as his last post points out.... | ... | My point (actually not a point, but a need) has been that: | 1. I needed to be able to use these ENV variables, and stop Arachne | (actually CORE, now that we've found out "the secrets") from aborting | packetdriver loading, whenever Arachne (i.e.CORE) arbitrarily decides | that things are NOT happening "its way" (shades of microslopishness) | 2. I needed to be able to quickly/easily swap DNSes on the fly (I | explained that in previous posts) | 3. I needed to be able to make Arachne use these ENV variables, because | ...because...I think I'm about on the verge of being able to get Arachne | to use the already-loaded OS/2 Dialup PacketDriver (thus freeing up the | DOS memory space taken up by that)..which will allow me to "multitask" Š| Arachne and another Inet App over that one dialup connection... | 4. I needed to be able to make Arachne use these ENV variables, because | it's just "that way" that commonality is "right"...period...flat...final | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 283) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 1:07:10 am | | glennmcc> | core.exe is not aborting it... epppd.exe was aboting when it got the | invalid DNS info from pppdrc.cfg | | Now that I stopped ciore.exe from writing that into pppdrc.cfg | epppd.exe is able to continue without any DNS info. | | ============================================================================ | | 284) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 4:06:50 am | | gregy> | Ah...thanks, again.....see???...Eric and Ray are right....it IS a bit | confuzing.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 285) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 10:58:56 am | | Eric> | Gregy, It's more than a bit confusing....I have been reading what | "everyone" has been saying, describing, extrapolating, cogitating, | postulating, investigating about this connection procedure for years | now and I still don't really think I understand it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 286) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 3:47:16 pm | | glennmcc> | And if you _think_ you understand it better after reading what I wrote. | | Think again. | | ============================================================================ | | 287) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 4:46:09 pm | | ray> | These philosophical issues are hard to debate, folks go by their gut | feelings and there is merit to both points of view, especialy since | one size does most assureidly asureidly ash assureidly ... Š| certainly ... not fit all. There's no doubt at all that the old way | should remain available in the standard core for compatability, but | I'm glad I've cut it out. I figure that if a user can master the | complexities of setting up the keywords, they can just as easily | master lsppp.cfg, especialy if a really well written help file | is included. My core is for experienced users only anyway. | | Eric, now that you have connection figured out for my core, what do | you think? is it not more clear what is happening my way? | (Don't spare my feeling here ;-) | | I figure if my way works for Gregy too, then I'm set on it. | | BTW, Glenn, I do understand it better, but that's because often | mistakes can lead to the truth even more surely than can getting it | right the first time. I still think your code above was just | zeroing that keyword but maybe that is exactly what was needed. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 288) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 5:42:54 pm | | gregy> | Ray...LSPPP is your ONLY way, in you CORE...??? | ... | well, uh, huh...then...I can't test it...since I have never been able | to get LSPPP to work for my setup/ISP.....and....I haven't the time to | go back an refight that battle, right now.... | .. | sorry.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 289) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 5:54:28 pm | | glennmcc> | define:assureidly | | | | ============================================================================ | | 290) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 5:56:14 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Did I say that? miniterm/epppd works fine as far as I can tell but | so far I'm the only one who's tried it with my core, a second | test would be most welcome. I use it with BOOTP, so I'd like to | see what sort of luck you have. Anyway, since my core connects Š| all externaly, it should be able to use any dialer/connection | setup at all, so long as BOOTP works OR an IP and DNS can be | found, either verbatim or via any environment string you want. | | | ============================================================================ | | 291) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 5:57:08 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | re:" I do understand it better, " | | Great !!!! | | Now please explain it to me 'cause I don't. | | | ============================================================================ | | 292) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 5:58:32 pm | | glennmcc> | As to... "zeroing that keyword but maybe that is exactly what was needed." | | | By George... I think he's got it !!! | | | | BRB | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 293) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 6:04:07 pm | | ray> | Ah, I see, I refered to lsppp.cfg. That was just a for instance. | | assureidly: | adv. | "more or less" | - tentatively, esp. when used by dyslexic, autistic, left-handed | mailmen. | | The frustrating thing about my spelling is that I can be | quite sure I have something wrong and yet the part of my brain that | tells me that won't lift a finger to tell me *why* it's wrong, nor | will it give me even the smallest hint what to do about it. If I did | spell it correctly, it would let me know, so somewhere, deep inside, | there must be some ability to spell but I just can't get at it. Š| | | | ============================================================================ | | 294) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 6:05:13 pm | | ray> | Yes, by George, I think he does ;-) | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 295) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 6:06:27 pm | | glennmcc> | This is what was needed in pppdrc.cfg..... | | When we do not have a valid DNS number.... the namsrv line must be | missing from pppdrc.cfg | | If it's there but doesn't contain a valid DNS number... epppd.exe aborts | I modified my code as follows just a few min ago to write the line only | when it is >6 characters in length. | | %DNS1 == 5 (my method, no trailing %) | | %DNS1% == 6 (your method with trailing %) | | 0.0.0.0 == 7 | | And the new code grabs the DNSs from the ENV in the same manner as I | already did in atcpip.c | | ___________ | | //!!glennmcc: Mar 06, 2006 -- allow use of %DNS1 with miniterm/epppd | dns=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"NameServer",NULL); | if(strstr(dns,"%")) | makestr(dns,getenv(&dns[1]),19); | if(strlen(dns)>6) | sprintf(nameserver,"namsrv %s\n",dns); | else | strcpy(nameserver,"\0"); | //!!glennmcc: end | | //!!glennmcc: Mar 06, 2006 -- allow use of %DNS2 with miniterm/epppd | altdns=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"AltNameServer",NULL); | if(strstr(altdns,"%")) | makestr(altdns,getenv(&altdns[1]),19); | if(strlen(altdns)>6) | sprintf(altnameserver,"namsrv %s\n",altdns); | else Š| strcpy(altnameserver,"\0"); | //!!glennmcc: end | _________________ | | ============================================================================ | | 296) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 6:07:04 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Just because I can get a setup working with your core doesn't | mean I really understand it. I kind of know what LSPPP needs to | work but MINITERM/EPPPD is still buried in deep, dense fog. | | ============================================================================ | | 297) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 6:07:40 pm | | ray> | BTW, in sendmail.c I note that strings sent to the log end with | '\n' not with '\r\n' what about that? ... Hmmm, that isn't something | I did is it? (Bad Boy!) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 298) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 6:11:16 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I wouldn't bet my life that I understand it neither ;-) | | Glenn, | | Good work. Maybe that's why the keyword needs to be zeroed. | Final answer is near. | | | ============================================================================ | | 299) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 6:22:30 pm | | glennmcc> | Clipped from inside of epppd.exe........ | | Invalid DNS Address %s | | ============================================================================ | | 300) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 6:23:28 pm | | glennmcc> | Any invalid data on any namsrv line in pppdrc.cfg causes epppd.exe to abort | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 301) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 6:25:19 pm | | glennmcc> | namsrv line(s) with valid data == load packet driver | | No namsrv lines found == load packet driver | | ============================================================================ | | 302) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 6:33:03 pm | | glennmcc> | From my copy of sendmail.c | | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"QUIT\r\n",6); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"RSET\r\n",6); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,".\r\n",3); | write(log,"DATA\r\n",6); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | write(log,"\r\n",2); | | | ============================================================================ | | 303) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 6:36:14 pm | | glennmcc> | However... since smtp.log is only needed for 'diagnostic purposes' | and never needs to be saved for any length of time, and never needs to | be edited with a DOS text editor and then saved-back with its original | format of \n (UNIX format) | | It does not hurt a darned thing to have \n instead of \r\n | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 304) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 6:37:53 pm | | glennmcc> | The data files here on these PHP message boards are \n | | ============================================================================ | | 305) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 7:23:41 pm | | gregy> | Ray...ah...I got the impression, from your just above post, that you had | "cut that out" (i.e. the MTerm/EPPPD use)...and I KNEW it had to be | recently, since your previous COREs all worked with MTerm/EPPPD (which | is the only way I run things)....so....I'm glad you clarified that...and | ..yes..I can test your cores under those conditions... | ... | I'll call for one in the next couple days....right now...I'm working on | testing out the CDRoast on this box....with the "new (factory refurb) | CD-R/W unit...and then with the brandnew CD-R/W unit.....I really NEED | to get to burning these CDs....can't put it off any longer.. | | | ============================================================================ | | 306) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 7:32:01 pm | | gregy> | Glenn, | | "Clipped from inside of epppd.exe........ | | Invalid DNS Address %s" | | YES...!!!...then I WAS right....I thought I was seeing EPPPD pooping out | that error, then aborting it's load-finalization....now...I can go back | to believing my senses........(had me a bit worried, there) | ... | AND...I reiterate...EPPPD or any Dialup/PacketDriverLoader has | ABSOLUTELY NO !!!!!! BUSINESS EVEN STICKING ITS STINKING NOSE IN THERE | TO CHECK WHETHER OR NOT A VALID dnsNUMBER IS ANYWHERE AROUND..!!!! | ... | That is..if anything...CORE's business...and that should NEVER have been | coded into EPPPD....I'm gonna do what I thought I would do, originally.. | ... | I'm gonna rip that EPPPD apart and hack it into "extreme politeness".. | ... | sheeesh...am I EVER steaming...!!!! | | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 307) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 8:01:30 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Do you have your R/W CD's working now under DOS.... | have you already burned some CD's ? | | ============================================================================ | | 308) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 8:34:58 pm | | Eric> | eric | | | | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 309) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 8:37:00 pm | | Eric > | Hey, why can't I get this board to read a file into this | box? It just comes up blank like in previous post. | | | ============================================================================ | | 310) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 8:46:35 pm | | glennmcc> | There is a size limit here. | | How big is the file ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 311) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 8:52:29 pm | | gregy> | Eric...ummmm...I thought my plaintive cry indicated that, so far, I was | not successfull at buring CDs. Since I'm mostly in DOS...which is where | I always start trying anything new....then that would cover all ways | and places..... | ...sorry that I wasn't more precise/concise.... | .. | No..I cannot/have not been able to burn any CDs...anywhere in any OS | ... | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 312) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 9:05:41 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Ah, then I have been a naughty boy. Strange, I left them in in popget, | don't know what I was thinking. Yeah, they could be left out, but | having '\r\n' is more kosher. | | Gregy, | | But isn't it the job of the packet driver to know the DNS? | It's the driver that gets the damned thing, and sets it active, no? | If epppd isn't happy with the DNS nothing is going to connect, right? | Thusly, it would be remiss to fail to report a DNS error, or so | it seems to me. | | | ============================================================================ | | 313) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 9:08:02 pm | | Eric> | I figured it out.....this board doesn't like text lines starting | with 00Hex | | Anyway, EPPPD seems to use %s as a "universal" search variable | and there are a bunch of abort messages at the end of EPPPD.EXE | which it uses when it doesn't like the %s result. | | ============================================================================ | | 314) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 9:12:46 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Then how come glennmcc can? Has he got magical powers? | Should we start calling him Merlin? | | ============================================================================ | | 315) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 9:19:28 pm | | Eric> | Ray, But EPPPD loads the packet if there is no DNS at all | reported by %s....or so glennmcc stated....I think... | | | ============================================================================ | | 316) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 9:38:56 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep, as I discovered... epppd does not need to know the DNS at startup. | Š| ============================================================================ | | 317) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 9:40:16 pm | | glennmcc> | Actually, I prefer 'Gandolf' rather than 'Merlin' | | ============================================================================ | | 318) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 9:44:31 pm | | gregy> | "But isn't it the job of the packet driver to know the DNS? | It's the driver that gets the damned thing, and sets it active, no? | If epppd isn't happy with the DNS nothing is going to connect, right? | Thusly, it would be remiss to fail to report a DNS error, or so | it seems to me." | | Ray....most emphatically NOT..!!! That isn't the job the packet driver | has to do. All it has to do is negotiate the PPP connection, grab the | MYIP/REMIP (and maybe the MRU/NETMASK, too), install itself and hand | off to CORE....anything more, and it's overstepping its bounds (al la | microcrappish style)....you want "integration" and "divine restriction" | .. | go buy mizerable$loth stuff....you're welcome to it.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 319) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 9:51:49 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | What saith McC? I'm sticking to my guns on this: epppd either gets | the DNS itself via BOOTP or, if you set one in the .cfg it tries | to use that, but either way, it is emphaticaly TRUE that this is | epppd's business. Further, it doesn't 'grab MYIP' it *sets* MYIP | so that *core* can grab it. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 320) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 9:54:37 pm | | ray> | it is core that is the passive reciever of needed information, it is | the packet driver that gets that information. I say it is logicaly | necessary that this be so. | | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 321) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 9:55:18 pm | | ray> | Good night lads. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 322) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 10:05:04 pm | | gregy> | Ray...EPPPD (and LSPPP) has to grab the MYIP/REMIP pair from the ISP's | server....that's the only place it CAN grab it....then, automagically, | it(they) "set" that into the ENV....where CORE can readily use it. | ... | THOSE two things MUST be grabbed by EPPPD, and...and...it also has a | legitimate reason (as LSPPP does) to grab the two DNSnumbers from the | ISP's server (but EPPPD is incapable of doing this..only LSPPP does] | this)...but...BUT....whether or not the "packetdriver" gets any DNS | numbers from the ISP, or whether or not it can find valid DNSnumbers | somewhere in the packages overall configuration files is NOT its purpose | in life...period....it's purpose in life is to just | 1. Negotiate the PPP connection | 2. Grab the MYIP/REMIP pair (and, maybe,"set" them in the ENV) | 3. (if applicable, grab the DNSnumber info..and set it) | 4. Install itself and get the H*** out of the way and let CORE (and ME) | get on with the job we want to do... | | | ============================================================================ | | 323) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 10:12:31 pm | | gregy> | ..instead of "refusing the connection" because of what it perceives to | be erroneous DNSnumber info, somewhere on the disk or in the air. | ... | Any such decisions should be left to the "bigger boys (of whom I I I | am the controlling member)" and it's suppose to just install its stupid | self and get ready for business. | The problem here is that somebody has written EPPPD to be WAY more | intelligent that it has to be, and WAAAYYYY far too stupid to be more | than a disasterous hindrance... | ... | It's just a stupid packetdriver, for crap's sake...!!!! It's supposed | to do minimal thinking...it's just there as a "conversion utility" to | pump packets out the dialup connection and grab packets coming back in | ...and pass them back and forth to THE program (which ever proggy it is | servicing)...it's NOT supposed to be trying to be intelligent... | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 324) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 10:18:35 pm | | gregy> | BTW...I just found out something strange - that I never realized before, | ..when EPPPD fails (in some instances, maybe not in all instances)..it | kicks back to CORE (which pops up the "Cannot Initialize PPP" error) | ..but...but...does NOT knock the actual modem connection back down.... | ...thus....when I quick-swap the .CFGs and CORE, the Miniterm phoneline | connection to the ISP's modem/ModemServer is still open (and the SLIP | is still waiting for my User/Password pair)....then when I do ALT-D.. | COREetc tries to redial, doesn't complete but finds the dialup already | there, and EPPPD loads itself and....voila..!!! we're off to the races. | .. | weird....and a further example of quirkiness that we shouldn't have to | put up with....this whole shebang is in need of a thorough look and | overhaul... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 325) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 10:29:04 pm | | glennmcc> | I was wrong in this stuff.... | | URL line or clicked-link... http://www.somewhere.com/index.htm | 1) core.exe grabs the DNS(s) from ENV or BOOTP or from arachne.cfg | 2) core.exe asks epppd.exe to contact that DNS and request the current | IP address of http://www.somwhere.com/ | 3) epppd.exe answers-back with that IP address (let's say... | 123.456.789.123 ) | 4) core.exe asks epppd.exe for http://123.456/789.123/index.htm | 5) epppd.exe asks http://123.456.789.123/ for index.htm | 6) epppd.exe gives index.htm core.exe to then be saved into the cache | | Replace epppd.exe with .... wattcplg.lib | | Not only does epppd (nor any packet driver), _not_ need to know the DNSs | at startup..... | | The packet driver _never_ needs to know. | | It is not the packet driver after-all... it's the TCPIP stack provided | by WATTCPLG.LIB that does all of that. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 326) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 10:32:27 pm | | glennmcc> | It finnally dawned on me when I realized that I _never_ tell the packet | driver for this NIC card (LNE100TX.COM), what the DNS numbers are. Š| | Not at start-up and _never_ during my use of Arachne do I senf the DNS | numbers to it. | | Core does all of it internally because WATTCPLG.LIB is built into core.exe | | ============================================================================ | | 327) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 10:34:54 pm | | glennmcc> | If you will recall... Joe did some changes in wattcplg.lib a few months | ago specifically dealing with how wattcp communicates with DNSs | | | ============================================================================ | | 328) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 10:38:01 pm | | glennmcc> | Take a look at all of this stuff in the wattcplg.lib SRC code that deals | with DNSs | | | ---------- e:udp_dom.c | * 0.4 : Aug 28, 1999 - added small dns cache, resolve_fn, only whole domai | #define DNSCACHESIZE 4 // cache up to 4 names | #define DNSCACHELENGTH 32 // up to 32 characters | #define DNSCACHETIMEOUT 120 // for up to 2 minutes | static char DNScacheName[DNSCACHESIZE][DNSCACHELENGTH]; | static longword DNScacheIP[DNSCACHESIZE]; | static longword DNScacheTimeout[DNSCACHESIZE]={0,0,0,0}; | static char DNScacheNext=0; | int DNScacheScan; | for (DNScacheScan=0 ; DNScacheScan=DNSCACHESIZE) DNScacheNext=0; | | | ============================================================================ | | 329) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 10:38:37 pm | | glennmcc> | And that's in just one file of the SRC code. | | ============================================================================ Š| | 330) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 10:40:49 pm | | glennmcc> | Here are some of the comment lines Joe put in around his changes. | | | ---------- e:pctcp.c | [304]/* JdS 2005/04/20 - start | [312]/* JdS 2005/04/20 - end */ | [318]/* JdS 2005/04/20 - start (see above) | [322]// JdS 2005/04/20 - end */ | | ---------- e:udp_dom.c | [250]// JdS 2005/04/20 - start | [254]// JdS 2005/04/20 - end | | | | ============================================================================ | | 331) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 10:49:04 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...yes...I think I grasp your point....and I think it's the same | as my point (or similar)....EPPPD (or any packet driver) needs to know | a very limit amount of information, and should not ever be the decision | making application on that information, at least not on info other than | what affects its own limited functionality.. | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 332) Wed, Mar 08, 2006 - 10:54:02 pm | | gregy> | For now...all is well.......you've blocked the erroneous actions | of EPPPD, and it all works fine, and we've more-or-less got | "commonality" between the operation of LSPPP and EPPPD, etc, etc...so.. | we can take a breath....but...BUT... | ..if there's ever time in the future, it needs to be looked at hard... | ..but..NOT now.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 333) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 3:31:22 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | re: 322, we actualy agree there, I was taling about the evironment | set of %MYIP% and you were talking about the actual data contained. | The former is set *by* epppd *for* core, but the latter is of course Š| grabbed by epppd. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 334) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 3:35:54 pm | | ray> | However, I think Glenn is wrong that the packet driver doesn't need | to know the DNS. If that were true, why would the .cfg even be | interested in it? The fact that the .cfg can contain that info | is proof that it is the packet driver than needs to know it unless its | BOOTP of course. I figure that's what's happening with Glenn's | NIC card. My theory is: | | | ============================================================================ | | 335) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 3:48:26 pm | | ray > | | (recycling Glenn's:) | | URL line or clicked-link... http://www.somewhere.com/index.htm | | 1) If she is offline Arachne creates(Glenn only)/runs a roura.bat to | execute the dialer/packet driver which reads it's .cfg file and | if instructed to, uses BOOTP, otherwise, if given a DNS, tries to us | it (Why ask for a DNS and then ignore it?) | | 2) core.exe grabs the DNS(s) from ENV or BOOTP or from arachne.cfg | | Not only does epppd (nor any packet driver), _not_ need to know | the DNSs | at startup..... | | ... Then why does it ask for one? And if its BOOTP, why does it | create and run IP-UP.BAT just to pass those values on? | | The packet driver _never_ needs to know. | | It is not the packet driver after-all... it's the TCPIP stack | provided | by WATTCPLG.LIB that does all of that. | | I figure wattcp in fact gets the DNS numbers from epppd. | | | ============================================================================ | | 336) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 3:50:04 pm | | ray > Š| But I could be wrong about all this, I'm going by logic not by | real dnowledge of how this all works. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 337) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 3:51:29 pm | | glennmcc> | Some packet drivers (epppd not included), cna grab the DNS numbers | for us from the server and save them into the ENV for us. | | Lsppp _does_ grab the DNS nukbers from the server, puts the needed lines | into ip-up.bat and places those values in our ENV | | But that is the only thing that lsppp ever does concerning DNS | | Since epppd does _not_ place those lines into ip-up.bat .... there is no | need for it to _ever_ know the DNS addresses. | | | ============================================================================ | | 338) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 3:56:33 pm | | glennmcc> | --- ip-up.bat created just now by lsppp.exe --- | | set myip=4.252.95.68 | set remip=209.247.21.177 | set netmask=0.0.0.0 | set peermru=1500 | set dns1=64.136.173.4 | set dns2=64.136.164.76 | ___________________________ | | --- my current ENV --- | MYIP=4.252.95.68 | REMIP=209.247.21.177 | NETMASK=0.0.0.0 | PEERMRU=1500 | DNS1=64.136.173.4 | DNS2=64.136.164.76 | ______________________ | | | | ============================================================================ | | 339) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 3:56:41 pm | | ray> | But why then is that info part of the .cfg? And why does it crap out | if that info is incorrect? Seems rather pointless to ask for info Š| that's not needed and then refuse to run if it's bad when it isn't | needed anyway. It may as well ask you to count backward from 100 to 0 | by 17's and refuse to run if you don't get there fast enough just | to be difficult. Am I missing something? | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 340) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 4:00:43 pm | | glennmcc> | --- new ip-up.bat created just now by epppd.exe --- | set myip=4.224.207.91 | set remip=209.244.31.10 | set netmask=0.0.0.0 | set peermru=1500 | __________ | | -- new ENV --- | MYIP=4.224.207.91 | REMIP=209.244.31.10 | NETMASK=0.0.0.0 | PEERMRU=1500 | ______________ | | ============================================================================ | | 341) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 4:03:20 pm | | glennmcc> | re"... Seems rather pointless to ask for info that's not needed | and then refuse to run if it's bad when it isn't ..." | | | My point exactly. | | As you say... it is quite pointless to crap-out due to invalid info that | it does need anyways. | | IMO, | This is a bug in epppd.exe | | ============================================================================ | | 342) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 4:05:04 pm | | glennmcc> | Since it _never_ uses the DNS numbers..... it is totally rediculous | for it to _ever_ ask for them. | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 343) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 4:09:14 pm | | glennmcc> | In-fact... the only thing epppd.exe _ever_ does with _this_ info... | | myip, remip, netmask and peermru | | is to create ip-up.bat so tyhat those 4 ENV variable can get 'set'. | | As soon as eppp.exe has written those 4 lines ionto ip-up.bat ... | epppd.exe _never_ uses that info _ever_ again. | | That info is now used by core.exe and in-turn its contained wattcplg.lib | | | ============================================================================ | | 344) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 4:20:52 pm | | glennmcc> | --- current ip-up.bat (using NIC packet driver, lne100tx.com) | | Volume in drive L is MS-RAMDRIVE | Directory of L:\ARACHNE | | 0 File(s) 98109440 bytes free | __________________________ | | That's right... no such file exists. | | | --- current ENV (in-full this time instead of non-network info clipoped)---- | OS=OPENDOS | VER=7 | ARA=ON | PATH=\;C:\1BATCH;C:\1COMMON;C:\;C:\OPENDOS;C:\1ZIP;C:\QEMM;c:\borlandc\bin;c | OPENDOSCFG=C:\OPENDOS | BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H7 T4 | COMSPEC=l:\command.com | TEMP=l:\temp | OLDPMT=$d $b $t$_[OPENDOS 7.01] $P$G | PROMPT=Type EXIT to return to Arachne$_$p$g | ____________________ | | That's right ... no network info in my ENV | | ============================================================================ | | 345) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 4:22:15 pm | | glennmcc> | core.exe and its contained wattcplg.lib are now getting the needed info | from the server each time I request a remote file via BOOTP | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 346) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 4:29:32 pm | | glennmcc> | A search through epppd.exe for 'bootp' finds nothing | | However... a search through the wattcplg.lib SRC code yields _tons_ of | code for BOOTP | | Amnd search through the LIB itself yields many paces with 'bootp' | | | ============================================================================ | | 347) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 4:38:42 pm | | Eric> | So what is in the packet placed at 0x60 by epppd ? | | ============================================================================ | | 348) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 4:46:26 pm | | glennmcc> | Our pacet driver program passes the 'packets' of data between the our | browser and the connection device we are using. | | In my case right now (and for post 337), lne100tx.com passes | the data between core.exe and my NIC card. | | For posts 340 to 343 .. lsppp.exe was passing the data between | core.exe and my modem. | | For post 338 it was epppd.exe passing the packets of data between | core.exe and my modem. | | | ============================================================================ | | 349) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 4:51:28 pm | | glennmcc> | Here's the screen output when I load lne100tx.com | | I unloaded it and re-loaded it just now...... | | | Thu 3-09-2006 | 18:50:19.52 | [OPENDOS 7.01] C:\>lh c:\lne100tx\lne100tx -1 -a -f -s 0x60 | | Linksys LNE100TX Fast Ethernet Adapter Packet Driver v 1.06 (991217) | Copyright (C) 2000 Linksys GroupAll Rights Reserved. | Š| My Options | Packet Driver Interrupt Number 0x60 | I/O Port 0xC400 | Hardware Interrupt Number 11 | Medium Type is 100baseTx Full Duplex | My Ethernet Address is 00:04:5A:45:55:9D | Packet Driver is loaded at segment C902 | | ============================================================================ | | 350) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 5:02:42 pm | | glennmcc> | Now back using Linux FireFox and tulip.o as the packet driver for my NIC | | | 'set shows that ther exists no IP info, no DNS info, etc, etc, curren | | ============================================================================ | | 351) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 5:42:09 pm | | glennmcc> | | | BBL ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 352) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 6:10:16 pm | | ray> | Ok, I can buy that epppd gets and sets that info for use, not | buy itself (it would do that internaly in any case) but so that | information can be used by core. Thusly, if a DNS is specified in | the .cfg it uses it, if not it uses BOOTP and sets the env as | a courtesy for whatever program is using it. Sounds logical. | | | ============================================================================ | | 353) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 6:13:27 pm | | ray> | The real hot question is why some folks can't use lsppp. I wonder | if the insights gained above might bare bear beare (yes!) on the | lsppp problem, could be it's just reacting differently to some | .cfg error. | | | ============================================================================ | | 354) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 6:56:03 pm | Š| gregy> | Ray....Re: 329 | "But why then is that info part of the .cfg? And why does it crap out | if that info is incorrect? Seems rather pointless to ask for info | that's not needed and then refuse to run if it's bad when it isn't | ... | to be difficult. Am I missing something?" | | That is eggZAKery my point...it IS pointless....and Glenn is telling | it straight, as am I....EPPPD (or any packet driver) does NOT need to | know DNSes, nor even MYIP/REMIP/NETMASK/MRU....EPPPD does NOT ever use | those values in its normal functionality....EPPPD (and LSPPP) only | GRAB those values from the ISP's "signon server" because CORE will need | those values (in its compiled-in WATTCPlib) for its (CORE's) | functionality..... | ... | ....and...NO, you're not missing something....it's sitting right there | on the end of your nose....and you're continually overlooking it... | ...it MIGHT bite you on the nose, if you don't pay attention... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 355) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 6:57:13 pm | | gregy> | Ray...oops...Re: 334..... | | ============================================================================ | | 356) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 6:58:02 pm | | glennmcc> | One possible reason that some users can't seem to get lsppp working is | what we discovered a few months ago. | | Lsppp grabs the DNS numbers from the server by default. | | We have tried every way imaginable to get it to use the ines from the | CFG when they are specified, but there does not seem to ba a way to do | it. | | When the DNSs are grabbed from the server by lsppp, and then 'set' into | the ENV by ip-up.bat ... but those differ from the ones we have in | arachne.cfg some (but not all), attempts fail. | | EX: | | lsppp/ip-up.bat set... | | dns1=1.0.0.0 | dns2=1.0.0.1 | | arachne.cfg values... Š| NameServer 2.0.0.0 | AltNameServer 2.0.0.1 | | IP_Address PPP | | Result... failed | | In most cases that I have heard of so-far, this gets things going. | | IP_Address BOOTP | | This one small change gets it working because BOOTP does not use the DNS | numbers from the CFG nor from the ENV but rather grabs them from the | server each time we request a remote object. | | This also works to get it going with lsppp (in most cases). | | IP_Address PPP | NameServer (blank... no number speced) | AltNameServer (blank... no number speced) | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 357) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 6:58:46 pm | | gregy> | Ray...double oops...Re: 339 | | | ============================================================================ | | 358) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:05:35 pm | | gregy> | Eric...perhaps you meant this (if so, sorry for reiterating)... | Re: "..isn't the packet driver loaded at 0x60.." Please constantly | remember that 0x60 is NOT the address where the packet driver is loaded | ...0x60 is the "Vector-pointing-to-the-address-where-the-packetdriver- | is-loaded"....there's a huge difference embedded in that ....and...I | think you just misspoke.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 359) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:06:30 pm | | glennmcc> | Another possible reason for lsppp not to work for some users... | | If a particular user edits arachne.cfg manually and changes the connection l | | Connection @lsppp.exe Š| ;Connection @epppd.exe>PPP.LOG | | But does not change this line.... | | IP_Address PPP | | Since >PPP.LOG is missing from the new line they put in there.... | core.exe is unable to find the IP address in PPP.LOG when 'IP_Address PPP' | tells it to look there. | | Another way to get her going even with >PPP.LOG missing fropm the end of | the connection line...... | | IP_Address %MYIP% | | Now core.exe _can_ find the IP address because lsppp/ip-up.bat palced it | into the MYIP ENV variable. | | ============================================================================ | | 360) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:09:41 pm | | glennmcc> | No 'one method' mentioned above works for all users. | | Some need method 1, others need method 2 while still otthers need method 3 | | | ============================================================================ | | 361) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:09:47 pm | | gregy> | Ray...Re: 353.....yes...this current discussion may very well help some | of the folks get LSPPP running....we'll have to see....but...I doubt if | that'll ever happen on some place like the list.....maybe here, we can | work it out....I hope so....I truely WANT to have BOTH the original | MTerm/EPPPD and the LSPPP options working on my boxes, so that when.. | WHEN...some poor sucker can't get one working ....just CAN'T..CAN'T... | ..then I can help him get connected with the other option... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 362) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:12:46 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...Re: 359...yes...but my ENV, right now (just checked) has the | MYIP/REMIP pair there, too.....and it was EPPPD that wrote IP-UP.BAT | that put it there.... | ... | ...so...my setup should be able to use %MYIP%..too... | ... | Oh, and ......... Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 363) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:14:09 pm | | glennmcc> | And yet 2 more methods.... | | IP_Address PPP | NameServer %DNS1 | AltNameServer %DNS2 | | IP_Address BOOTP | NameServer (blank... no number speced) | AltNameServer (blank... no number speced) | | | ============================================================================ | | 364) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:14:59 pm | | gregy> | my currently running ARACHNE.CFG has IP_address PPP ....and all is fine | ...but...according to "theory" I should now be able to put %MYIP% in | there, and it should still work fine.. | | | ============================================================================ | | 365) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:15:21 pm | | glennmcc> | | | Hi Gregy ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 366) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:18:58 pm | | gregy> | yep...I just changed my .CFG variable IP_address PPP to IP_address %MYIP% | ...and I'm back here just fine... | ...that change should go into immediate effect, shouldn't it...I mean, | I shouldn't have to reboot...??? All I did was "exit" back from the | ALT-E shellout...and that should have activated the new IP_address value | shouldn't it....??? | | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 367) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:19:20 pm | | gregy> | hi Glenn.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 368) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:20:33 pm | | gregy> | so...is it six of one, half-dozen of another...or is one better than the | other...??? PPP or %MYIP%....???? | | | ============================================================================ | | 369) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:21:58 pm | | glennmcc> | Try this just for the heck of it. | | --- lsppp.cfg --- | /M:at&fs7=90s11=50 | /n:1 <-- change to your modem comm port # | /d:phone-number | /B:115200 | /V:60 | /U:yourusername | /P:yourpassword | | _________________ | | --- in arachne.cfg --- | Connection @lsppp.exe /?>NUL | | Dialer @lh lsppp.exe>ppp.log | UseTerminal No | Autologin No | | IP_Address BOOTP | IP_Grab IP address set to | NameServer | AltNameServer | Gateway 0.0.0.0 | AltGateway 0.0.0.0 | Netmask 0.0.0.0 | TCPconfig PPPTCP.CFG | | ______________________ | | | ============================================================================ | | 370) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:23:40 pm Š| | gregy> | hmmm...ahhh...sorry, Glenn...I haven't got the capability to try, fight | with, LSPPP right now....I'll clip that, and save it for future ref. | ...thanks... | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 371) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:27:19 pm | | gregy> | clipped...and will enter into that fight, at the earliest possible time | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 372) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:27:30 pm | | glennmcc> | IP_Address PPP (requires >PPP.LOG at the end of the connection line | or in the case of my methos outlined in post 369... | at the end of the dialer line instead) | | IP_Address %MYIP% (requires the set myip= line in ip-up.bat | | Therfore... | | IP_Address PPP == 6 | IP_Address %MYIP% == half a dozen | | | | However... | | IP_Addrress BOOTP (requires niether of those) | | Therefore... | | IP_Address BOOTP == (prefered method regardles of packet driver used) | | | ============================================================================ | | 373) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:52:27 pm | | Eric> | Re: "..isn't the packet driver loaded at 0x60.." | Gregy, That's is a mis-quote...I didn't write that! ... but ... | I asked what was loaded at 0x60...you answered....the pointer to | the packet driver loaded elsewhere in memory. I just knew that | TERMIN.EXE uses that address to unload the packet driver. It | would seem the packet driver filters the packets and directs them Š| to the right place also? ... or am I wrong? | | ============================================================================ | | 374) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:53:18 pm | | gregy> | yes...my connection lines all end with >PPP.LOG ....I guess I've done | that "just to be sure"..... | ...and...here's my ENV | OS=OPENDOS | VER=7 | PATH=R:\ARACHNE;R:\;F:\;C:\;E:\;C:\DRVRS;C:\DRDOS;C:\BATCH | DNS0=MT | DNS1=65.19.193.20 | DNS2=65.19.193.21 | COMSPEC=R:\COMMAND.COM | TEMP=R:\TEMP\ | ARACHNETEMP=R:\TEMP\ | MYIP=198.60.96.189 | REMIP=199.104.117.66 | NETMASK=254.0.0.0 | PEERMRU=1500 | OLDPMT=$P$G | PROMPT=You are still online$_Type EXIT to return to Arachne$_$p$g | | ...so...you can see that I'm "loaded-up" with useful information... | ... | ... | So, both the IP_Address PPP and IP_Address %MYIP% work okay for me.. | ... | ...but...I'm still pondering, "Which is the best..??? if any..???" | | | ============================================================================ | | 375) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:56:12 pm | | gregy> | Eric...I think you mean "the packetdriver catches packets from CORE and | tosses them to the ISP's server, and catches packets from the ISP's | server and tosses them to CORE.".....that's all it does....oh, it (kind | of) forms/structures them, but mostly it's just a "hole-in-the-wall" | thru which packets get tossed back-and-forth... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 376) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 7:57:38 pm | | gregy> | Eric...and yes, TERMIN uses 0x60 as a pointer to tell it where to find | the loaded packetdriver which it is to unload.... | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 377) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 8:01:31 pm | | gregy> | In OS/2....it's DOS-TCPIP stack, provided by OS/2...provides that vector | at 0x69 instead of at 0x60...but that's well within the operating range | of EPPPD's loading code....of course, Arachne-on-OS2 (using that OS/2 | supplied packetdriver/dialup connection) would connect "ConnectionReady" | and would never call TERMIN....if it did...OS/2 would deny it the right | to unload that driver and terminate the dialup connection... | | | ============================================================================ | | 378) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 8:10:55 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Then is it the core that filters the info packets and | sends the info to the right places? | | | ============================================================================ | | 379) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 8:17:19 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, BTW, epppd will also place the vector at 0x61 if 0x60 | is already in use......I don't know how far up the sequence | it will go. | | ============================================================================ | | 380) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 8:44:13 pm | | Eric> | Right now I am connected with LSPPP and If I remove my NAMESERVER | addresses from arachne.cfg then I cannot surf. | | ============================================================================ | | 381) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 8:46:20 pm | | Eric> | And the DNS1 in my ENV is different from arachne.cfg | | | | ============================================================================ | | 382) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 8:47:35 pm | | Eric> | from ENV: DNS1= 10.10.0.4 Š| | ============================================================================ | | 383) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 8:49:33 pm | | Eric> | from arachne.cfg: | NameServer 209.104.141.196 | AltNameServer 209.104.131.25 | | | ============================================================================ | | 384) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 8:50:22 pm | | gregy> | Eric...I think I read that EPPPD will use the vectors up to 0x72...but I | may be wrong....it will use up to 0x69....'cause Glenn (who else) did | that to varify the possibleness.... | ... | Re: 380....on your CommandLineInterface, type "set" and see if you have | MYIP and REMIP values there (you should have, because LSPPP automagic- | ally puts them in the ENVironment)....then, in your ARACHNE.CFG | ...put.... | Nameserver %DNS1 | ..this should get you surfing....it grabs that from the ENV and uses it | instead of a fixed number in your .CFG.... | ... | That's how I'm running, right now, and it works just fine... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 385) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 8:53:55 pm | | gregy> | hmmmmm...Eric....I don't see how LSPPP could put those totally erroneous | values into your ENV DNS1=value ....you can try running my DNS.BAT (from | a complete ArachneCollapse, not from an ALT-E CommandLine)... | ... | --------------DNS.BAT----------------- | @echo off | if "%1" = "M" goto MT | if "%1" = "m" goto MT | | if "%1" = "W" goto WY | if "%1" = "w" goto WY | | if "%1" = "I" goto ID | if "%1" = "i" goto ID | | if "%1" = "F" goto FR | if "%1" = "f" goto FR | Š| :MT | set dns0=MT | set dns1=65.19.193.20 | set dns2=65.19.193.21 | goto END | | :WY | set dns0=WY | set dns1=65.19.208.20 | set dns2=65.19.208.21 | goto END | | :ID | set dns0=ID | set dns1=199.104.81.6 | set dns2=199.104.81.3 | goto END | | :FR | set dns0=FR | set dns1=216.220.0.1 | set dns2=204.70.57.242 | goto END | | :END | | ============================================================================ | | 386) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 8:55:16 pm | | gregy> | Eric....NOTE...it's perfectly legal for you to use my DNSnumbers, unless | your ISP blocks you from using any DNSservers other than the one(s) they | supply.....however...most ISPes do not do this... | | | ============================================================================ | | 387) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 8:57:32 pm | | glennmcc> | v1.89 just made it to #1 position... and in only 102 days | | | My site stats | (number of hits to each page) | | 'root' 52625 | | ar189 5795 (since Nov 27, 2005) | ar175 5793 (Mar 20, 2004 to Oct 01, 2004) | ar183 5417 (Mar 06, 2005 to Jul 27, 2005) | ar185 3334 (Jul 27, 2005 to Oct 30, 2005) | ar177 2729 (Jun 26, 2004 to Dec 09, 2004) | ar179 2472 (Dec 25, 2004 to Feb 16, 2005) Š| ar181 1605 (Feb 16, 2005 to Mar 06, 2005) | ar187 1345 (Oct 30, 2005 to Nov 20, 2005) | ar173 904 (Mar 20, 2004 to Oct 01, 2004) | | alist 1410 | msgbrds 2052 | NewTree 1504 (since May 13, 2004) | OldTree 1087 (since May 13, 2004) | usbdos 8014 (Mar 20, 2004 to July 1, 2004) | taken-down to save bandwidth | | For a total of | 96086 hits to this site since Mar 20, 2004 | | | ============================================================================ | | 388) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 8:58:07 pm | | gregy> | oh...I think I know....don't you use your local library as your connect | point...??? | .. | If that's the case, you are on a LibraryLAN, behind a router/firewall, | and, of course, LSPPP gets those localDNSnumbers from the LAN equip. | ...but... | you can try my DNSnumbers, then substitute your own DNSnumbers into | my DNS.BAT...and run it whenever you fireup your Arachne in the library | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 389) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 8:59:36 pm | | gregy> | Eric...however2...since you're NOT in the DNSnumber experimentation | business...why bother...???.......I mean...your's works fine, so | you don't hafta change it... | | | ============================================================================ | | 390) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:00:41 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, That's just the way mine works. There seem to be many | different connection techniques in use....helps to add to the | connection confusion. | | | ============================================================================ | | 391) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:02:50 pm | Š| gregy> | Glenn...of course....what else....I mean, even I hit that twice... | .. | Actually, I'm not sure that the ArachneInterest isn't increasing..I had | one of the listmembers, on one of my OS/2 lists, private email me about | it, expressing the thought that, "..this GPL/ContinuedDevelopment is | of large import to the OS/2 community.."...or words to that effect.. | .. | And...my SIGN.TXT has your downloadsite link in it...so...hey...!!! | ... | ...waddya expect...??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 392) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:05:17 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, I was just experimenting.....nothing tried...nothing | learned....thought I'd stimulate the grey matter....felt like | it needed it ! | | ============================================================================ | | 393) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:05:27 pm | | glennmcc> | It took v1.75 over 6mo to get to 5793 hits | | v1.89 took only a smidge over 3mo to break that record ;-) | | If it keeps up this same rate.. by the time v1.89 has been up for that | same amount of time... it will be at over 12,000 hits. | | | ============================================================================ | | 394) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:07:09 pm | | gregy> | If I can get those DNSnumbers from the IBMdialerLOG (or wherever it's | stashing them) and "set" them into the environment, then ArachneOS2 can | use THAT...which most OS/2ers would demand...since they (we) like to | run multiple InetApps over the same connection....but...it would remove | one impediment to widerscale use of Arachne-on-OS/2.....then... | ..hmmm... | Well,..we already have SSL capability, sort of, don't we...??..I mean, | by sideways integration from DOSLynx....??? Isn't that HTTPS capable | ...??? | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 395) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:08:14 pm Š| | Eric> | glennmcc, Are any of those hits from China? | | ============================================================================ | | 396) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:08:49 pm | | gregy> | Eric...yes...those little grey thingees certainly do LIKE to be | stimulated, occasionally.... | ... | ..and...feel free to do a quick try of that DNS.BAT....I haven't got it | copyrighted...... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 397) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:11:19 pm | | gregy> | ...oh, and Glenn...much as I hate to introduce a "hated concept" into | this peaceful, friendly discussion....if/when we can get some kind of | "javascrap" handoff, similar to the DOSLynx thingee, then we would have | that minimal ability....and....hey..!!!....next "BIGGGGGG" thing will | be FLASH...... | | | ============================================================================ | | 398) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:11:22 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep... sure is. | | I use that 'sideways integration' all the time to go from Arachne to | Lynx2.85.1, do my online credit card payments, Ebay login/bidding, | check my phone bill at SBC, etc, etc (any thing the requires HTTS), then | 'Quit' Lynx and I'm right back into Arachne at the same point I left. | | ============================================================================ | | 399) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:13:52 pm | | glennmcc> | Re: javacrap | | | Volume in drive E is MCCORKLE_03 | Directory of E:\ARACHNE\ASRC\ASRC190\JS | | . 6-01-04 11:07p | .. 6-01-04 11:07p | JS H 1300 4-01-99 11:15a Š| JSBIND C 510 7-18-00 6:13p | JSENGINE C 453 7-18-00 6:13p | JSIFACE C 863 7-18-00 6:13p | JSOBJECT C 314 7-18-00 6:13p | JSPARSE C 697 7-18-00 6:13p | 8 File(s) 51372032 bytes free | | | | ============================================================================ | | 400) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:15:04 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...is that Lynx2.85.1 what I'm referring to when I say DOSLynx..??? | ... | And, come to think of it...THAT was supposed to be my NEXT project, to | get that integrated-working on my ArachneInstallation...on this P133 | box... | ... | hmmmm....would you be willing to tell me the "first" step I need to do | to advance toward that goal...???....I mean, it will sure beat having | to fireup my Win3.1 browsers.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 401) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:16:08 pm | | glennmcc> | And even more........ | | | Volume in drive E is MCCORKLE_03 | Directory of E:\ARACHNE\TEAM\H_WULF\JS131 | | . 8-24-04 12:16a | .. 8-24-04 12:16a | CONFIG 8-24-04 12:16a | OS 8-24-04 12:16a | 00ASM BAT 44 2-24-04 12:07a | 00CRLF BAT 1791 2-11-04 12:05a | 00FIXCR BAT 68 2-10-04 12:04a | 00SETUP BAT 153 2-24-04 12:07a | BLINKER INI 68 2-24-04 12:07a | BLINKER5 LNK 1443 7-18-04 12:03a | BLXBCP31 LIB 15022 6-02-98 5:00a | C0LP31 OBJ 2771 6-02-98 5:00a | CH LIB 265216 6-10-92 3:10a | CHANGELO 23401 9-01-98 7:35p | CL LIB 270848 6-10-92 3:10a | DYNAMIC JS 3149 2-17-04 12:06a | DYNAMIC JS1 3149 2-15-04 12:05a | EMU LIB 17396 6-10-92 3:10a | FILES 1127 9-01-98 7:35p Š| FP7BCP31 OBJ 1712 6-02-98 5:00a | FP87 LIB 5061 6-10-92 3:10a | HWULF HTM 0 2-25-04 12:07a | HWULF JS 29 2-11-04 12:05a | HWULF OUT 16 7-18-04 12:03a | JS BAK 465662 4-03-04 12:07a | JS C 34716 2-14-04 12:05a | JS DSK 4523 7-19-04 12:04a | JS EXE 404912 7-19-04 12:04a | JS MAK 44548 9-01-98 7:36p | JS MDP 17766 9-01-98 7:36p | JS PRJ 20263 7-19-04 12:04a | JS0 DSK 2883 2-14-04 12:05a | JS0 LIB 401248 2-14-04 12:05a | JS1 BAK 41896 7-18-04 12:03a | JS1 C 42007 7-19-04 12:04a | JS1 DSK 4760 2-25-04 12:07a | JS1 EXE 406535 2-25-04 12:07a | JS1 MAP 59879 2-25-04 12:07a | JS1 OBJ 5475 7-19-04 12:04a | JS1 TXT 784 2-25-04 12:07a | JS32 DSP 7988 9-01-98 7:36p | JS32 MAK 36274 9-01-98 7:36p | JS32 MDP 40448 9-01-98 7:36p | JSAPI C 64102 2-25-04 12:07a | JSAPI H 32721 2-11-04 12:05a | JSAPI OBJ 26888 7-18-04 12:03a | JSARRAY C 34255 2-25-04 12:07a | JSARRAY H 970 2-11-04 12:05a | JSARRAY OBJ 13864 7-18-04 12:03a | JSATOM C 17036 2-19-04 12:06a | JSATOM H 9025 2-14-04 12:05a | JSATOM OBJ 9643 7-18-04 12:03a | JSBOOL C 4879 2-14-04 12:05a | JSBOOL H 547 2-11-04 12:05a | JSBOOL OBJ 4088 7-18-04 12:03a | JSCNTXT C 5338 2-25-04 12:07a | JSCNTXT H 5702 2-11-04 12:05a | JSCNTXT OBJ 4724 7-18-04 12:03a | JSCONFIG H 17530 2-25-04 12:07a | JSDATE ASM 241179 2-24-04 12:07a | JSDATE C 58980 2-25-04 12:07a | JSDATE H 1578 2-11-04 12:05a | JSDATE OBJ 34631 7-18-04 12:03a | JSDBGAPI C 18369 2-14-04 12:05a | JSDBGAPI H 6541 2-11-04 12:05a | JSDBGAPI OBJ 9645 7-18-04 12:03a | JSEMIT C 59705 2-19-04 12:06a | JSEMIT H 15349 2-19-04 12:06a | JSEMIT OBJ 23591 7-18-04 12:03a | JSFUN C 49798 2-19-04 12:06a | JSFUN H 2871 2-11-04 12:05a | JSFUN OBJ 18851 7-18-04 12:03a | JSGC C 24556 2-19-04 12:06a | JSGC H 3040 2-11-04 12:05a Š| JSGC OBJ 7771 7-18-04 12:03a | JSINTERP C 81437 2-19-04 12:06a | JSINTERP H 8837 2-11-04 12:05a | JSINTERP OBJ 44841 7-18-04 12:03a | JSLOCK C 16840 2-11-04 12:05a | JSLOCK H 7728 2-11-04 12:05a | JSLOCK OBJ 204 7-18-04 12:03a | JSMATH C 9250 2-14-04 12:05a | JSMATH H 334 2-11-04 12:05a | JSMATH OBJ 8578 7-18-04 12:03a | JSNUM C 22513 2-25-04 12:07a | JSNUM H 5513 2-25-04 12:07a | JSNUM OBJ 12343 7-18-04 12:03a | JSOBJ C 69025 2-19-04 12:06a | JSOBJ H 11157 2-14-04 12:05a | JSOBJ OBJ 27751 7-18-04 12:03a | JSOPCODE C 53781 2-19-04 12:06a | JSOPCODE DEF 12082 9-01-98 7:36p | JSOPCODE H 6419 2-11-04 12:05a | JSOPCODE OBJ 31402 7-18-04 12:03a | JSPARSE C 68674 2-19-04 12:06a | JSPARSE H 12187 2-11-04 12:05a | JSPARSE OBJ 28111 7-18-04 12:03a | JSPRVTD H 3058 2-11-04 12:05a | JSPUBTD H 8790 2-11-04 12:05a | JSREF_PR HQX 25744 9-01-98 7:35p | JSREGEXP C 89408 2-11-04 12:05a | JSREGEXP H 3506 2-11-04 12:05a | JSREGEXP OBJ 35734 7-18-04 12:03a | JSSCAN C 29377 2-19-04 12:06a | JSSCAN H 10538 2-11-04 12:05a | JSSCAN OBJ 15612 7-18-04 12:03a | JSSCOPE C 15975 2-19-04 12:06a | JSSCOPE H 4080 2-11-04 12:05a | JSSCOPE OBJ 5982 7-18-04 12:03a | JSSCRIPT C 20108 2-19-04 12:06a | JSSCRIPT H 2484 2-11-04 12:05a | JSSCRIPT OBJ 10693 7-18-04 12:03a | JSSHELL DSP 3738 9-01-98 7:36p | JSSHELL DSW 1047 9-01-98 7:36p | JSSHELL MAK 8852 9-01-98 7:36p | JSSHELL MDP 37376 9-01-98 7:36p | JSSHELLD MAK 37137 9-01-98 7:36p | JSSHELLD MDP 40448 9-01-98 7:36p | JSSTDDEF H 1030 2-11-04 12:05a | JSSTR C 131469 2-14-04 12:05a | JSSTR H 8506 2-14-04 12:05a | JSSTR OBJ 35036 7-18-04 12:03a | JSXDRAPI C 13407 2-11-04 12:05a | JSXDRAPI H 4199 2-19-04 12:06a | JSXDRAPI OBJ 6374 7-18-04 12:03a | LOCK_SUN S 2648 9-01-98 7:36p | MACPREFI H 120 2-11-04 12:05a | MAKEFILE 5262 9-01-98 7:35p | MATHH LIB 31232 6-10-92 3:10a Š| MATHL LIB 31744 6-10-92 3:10a | OUTPUT HTM 838 2-25-04 12:07a | PAGE HTM 0 2-19-04 12:06a | PAGE JS 12739 2-19-04 12:06a | PAGE1 JS 12289 2-19-04 12:06a | PERFECT JS 636 9-01-98 7:36p | POST JS 1340 2-16-04 12:06a | PRARENA C 8216 2-11-04 12:05a | PRARENA H 9379 2-11-04 12:05a | PRARENA OBJ 2071 7-18-04 12:03a | PRASSERT C 441 2-11-04 12:05a | PRASSERT H 540 2-11-04 12:05a | PRASSERT OBJ 701 7-18-04 12:03a | PRCLIST H 3352 2-11-04 12:05a | PRCPUCFG C 6519 2-11-04 12:05a | PRCPUCFG DSK 3367 2-25-04 12:07a | PRCPUCFG EXE 14586 2-25-04 12:07a | PRCPUCFG H 1395 2-11-04 12:05a | PRCPUCFG H2 1395 2-25-04 12:07a | PRCPUCFG H_ 18167 9-01-98 7:36p | PRCPUCFG PRJ 4907 2-25-04 12:07a | PRDTOA C 54624 2-11-04 12:05a | PRDTOA H 1104 2-11-04 12:05a | PRDTOA OBJ 17673 7-18-04 12:03a | PRHASH C 11831 2-11-04 12:05a | PRHASH H 4421 2-11-04 12:05a | PRHASH OBJ 3730 7-18-04 12:03a | PRLOG2 C 617 2-11-04 12:05a | PRLOG2 OBJ 594 7-18-04 12:03a | PRLONG C 5364 2-11-04 12:05a | PRLONG H 17970 2-11-04 12:05a | PRLONG OBJ 3233 7-18-04 12:03a | PRMACOS CPP 2436 9-01-98 7:36p | PRMACOS H 579 2-11-04 12:05a | PROSDEP H 1264 2-11-04 12:05a | PRPCOS H 4792 2-11-04 12:05a | PRPRINTF C 17147 2-11-04 12:05a | PRPRINTF H 2393 2-11-04 12:05a | PRPRINTF OBJ 5544 7-18-04 12:03a | PRTIME C 16123 2-11-04 12:05a | PRTIME H 1507 2-11-04 12:05a | PRTIME OBJ 7503 7-18-04 12:03a | PRTYPES H 5544 2-25-04 12:07a | PRUNIXOS H 602 2-11-04 12:05a | README 26995 9-01-98 7:35p | SETALL BAT 429 6-02-98 5:00a | SETBCP BAT 563 6-02-98 5:00a | SHELL JS 3656 12-06-99 2:45p | STATIC JS 10677 2-25-04 12:07a | STATIC JS1 10113 2-15-04 12:05a | SUNOS4 H 4098 2-11-04 12:05a | TEST 0 2-17-04 12:06a | TEST BAT 57 2-25-04 12:07a | TEST JS 125 2-25-04 12:07a | TI1723 ASC 7302 10-25-93 4:57p Š| TODO 246 9-01-98 7:35p | URL HTM 202 2-11-04 12:05a | YAHOO1 HTM 23999 2-11-04 12:05a | YCOMB JS 370 9-01-98 7:36p | 188 File(s) 51372032 bytes free | | | ============================================================================ | | 402) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:16:34 pm | | gregy> | yeah...I know...I think I pointed you to where that stuff was lurking on | the net, didn't I...???....but...right now...that's only a "nice idea" | ...while we've got other things to deal with.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 403) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:18:33 pm | | gregy> | hmmmm...well, that is MUCH more than the original things I pointed you | at..... | .... | ..looks like you're well into serious investigation of that "stuff".. | ..and yeah...I dislike it as much as you do.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 404) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:19:23 pm | | gregy> | So...what's the FIRST step I need to do to implement that SSL handoff | stuff....??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 405) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:19:57 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Step 1) http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/lynx.cfg | | Step 2) | | --- lynx2851.bat --- | cd \lynx2851 | lynx.exe -cfg c:\lynx2851\lynx.cfg file:///c:/html/mypages/hotlist0.htm | cd \ | ____________________ | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 406) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:26:25 pm | | glennmcc> | More than just investigating..... | | Howard Wulf found the SRC for, compiled the EXEs amnd integrated into | core.exe _everything_ that is needed to make Arachne 100% JS capable. | | The stumbling block: | | IBM has yet to give the OK to release it as GPL :(( | | ============================================================================ | | 407) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:27:28 pm | | glennmcc> | Since they hold the copyrights on that JS code.... | | We can't release it till they say "Yes". | | ============================================================================ | | 408) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:42:03 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/1097spam.gif | | | ============================================================================ | | 409) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:43:20 pm | | glennmcc> | Small piece of advice. | | Never, EVER take one of those 'online surveys'. | | As an experiment to see how much SPAMM would result from doing it... | I did one of them on Feb 23rd | | My inbox at MyRealBox.com now has 1,097 pieces of SPAM. | | That's right......... one thousand ninety seven SPAMs !!! | | ============================================================================ | | 410) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:46:22 pm | | ray> | I think that's all quite a bit clearer now vis epppd, etc. at least as Š| far as use goes; I'm not quite convinced that we really know what's | going on under the hood. | | Re Howard Wulf, holy cow I had no idea that there ever was a working | JS version of Arachne. Have you run that? Why have we never heard of | this? As to copyright, how do other browsers handle the issue? | | | ============================================================================ | | 411) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:50:39 pm | | ray> | That latteral to Lynx sounds interesting, I use Firefox under W98 for | my banking and a pure DOS way would sure be nice. Why can't we | steal their code for that? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 412) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:51:39 pm | | ray> | BTW, Gregy you might be interested to know that I've got | logging for FTP almost done, thought you might like that when | you test my core. | | | ============================================================================ | | 413) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:51:44 pm | | gregy> | Glenn....Re: Step 1 - done....Step 2 - clipped and lynx2851.bat saved | ...next...??? I mean...like where do I get Lynx2851.zip, etc....??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 414) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:56:48 pm | | gregy> | find:lynx 2.8.5.1 then DOS..turns up some hits, but...no download site | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 415) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 10:17:52 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | find:"lynx 2.8.5rel.1" DOS download Š| | 1st hit....... http://www.rahul.net/dkaufman/ | | ============================================================================ | | 416) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 10:55:00 pm | | gregy> | back, from Kaufman's site.......only I was lazy and just did the | lynx 2.8.5.1 download....and voila..!!! there was his site...which lit | all kindsa bulbs in my dim little head... | .. | so...got the 2.8.5.1, 18April2004, 2.463,576bytes....(plus all the other | stuff on his site.......) | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 417) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 10:57:47 pm | | gregy> | Now...I've got all this stuff stashed in my F:\LYNX\ directory...NOTE - | as you probably have noticed, I never put stuff on my C:\ (or any other | boot drive)....so...I'm going to have to modify your lynx2851.bat... | ..right..??? | ... | So, can I just install to my F:\ drive (to whereever the unzip -d puts | it there)....and modify your bat...??? | ... | then...what's the next step...?? | Step 4, I think... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 418) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 11:01:28 pm | | gregy> | NOTE also - once I get this working as an HDD-based app, I'll probably | change the .cfg/.bat/.etc filedirectories and increase the size of my | RAMdisk (with 96Mbytes, I have plenty to play with), and, when I launch | Arachne, which first uploads everything to my R:\ RAMdisk, I'll just | have it upload the LYNX-stuff, too, and have it all superfast.. | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 419) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 12:20:57 am | | gregy> | okay....pkunzip -d ...inside my F:\LYNX2851\ directory pulled out the | files and directory structure... Š| .. | So, I should modify your .BAT to reflect that difference, right...??? | ...done...I think.. | ... | So...next step, STEP 5, I think....??? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 420) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 12:22:14 am | | gregy> | oh, BTW...I haven't, yet, copied your .cfg and .bat files over from my | f:\lynxdl\ to my f:\lynx2851\ directory... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 421) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 3:42:45 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep... modify the BAT to point to your dir structure and to some local | file that you want to use as your start-up page. | | --- lynx2851.bat --- | f: | cd \lynx2851 | lynx.exe -cfg f:\lynx2851\lynx.cfg file:///c:/html/mypages/hotlist0.htm | ___________________________________________^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | change to your prefered start-up page | | Note that Lynx needs 3 slashes for local files intead of the 2 we are used t | | ============================================================================ | | 422) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 3:44:02 pm | | glennmcc> | You might be able to use the 'default' CFG included in the Lynx package. | | If no success... use mine instead. | | If still no success... modify as needed for your setup. | | ============================================================================ | | 423) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 3:45:58 pm | | glennmcc> | You will also need to modify doslynx.bat located in your Arachne_main dir | | c: | cd \lynx2851 Š| lynx.exe -cfg c:\lynx2851\lynx.cfg %1 | l: | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 424) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 3:47:29 pm | | glennmcc> | Change 'c:' to 'f:' in both places. | | And change 'l:' to the drive letter of your Arachne_main drive. | | (L: is my RamDrive) | | ============================================================================ | | 425) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 6:25:42 pm | | ray> | I remember estimating that the assymptote for core's size would be about | 380,000 bytes. but I'm at 384832 already. Perhaps 370,000 | is doable. | | | ============================================================================ | | 426) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 7:40:54 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...Re: 406/407....do I understand that Wulf compiled the JS into | "separate" sideways-lateral-integratable .EXEs......???? | ... | If that is true...there is a way...... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 427) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 7:51:52 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep, that's it. | | The JS stuff is kept external. | | The only changes made to core.exe were for making the interface to | the external JS parseing EXEs | | The output from them is either a modified HTM from the original or | a 'branching' to a new URL as a result of executing the JS code embeded | within the original page. | Š| It works similar to the symbiosis between core.exe and insight.exe | or between core.exe and wwwman.exe or between core.exe and apm.exe | | ============================================================================ | | 428) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 7:55:45 pm | | glennmcc> | But since the SRC code for and the EXEs themselves are still | protected by copyrights owned by IBM, we can't use any of it. :(( | | ============================================================================ | | 429) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 7:56:26 pm | | gregy> | Re: JS executables and source code......as you know, I am/have been | very much involved with IBM software/hardware/etc....and am on three of | the main OS/2 maillists....we have all kinds of IBM oldtimers, both from | the original Team OS/2 groups and current IBM employees.... | ... | We universally conclude that IBM will never GPLrelease OS/2 source code, | and most of the rest of its source code, ever....the exceptions are, | and will be, source code for its Linux efforts/projects..... | ... | However....IBM is also usually NOT adverse to having its descrete progs | passed around, as long as they're not sold (i.e. commercial use).... | .. | We do NOT have to have source code for those descrete JS.EXEs released | to GPL...before we can distribute the .EXEs compiled from that source | code..... | ...I mean.....just because "Arachne" is GPL...doesn't mean everything | making up the whole package must be GPL.....look at COMTOOL, JPED32.EXE, | (and many other .COMS and .EXEs) that was distribute freely...but without | the source code...and, in some cases, those parts are actually copyright | to the author, right now...but we may distribute "for non-commercial use" | as long as we attribute... | ...so...why does that JS source code need to be GPLed (something that | IBM is unlikely to ever do)...before we can use the compiled .EXEs with | Arachne, and distribute those .EXEs with the ArachnePackage...??? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 430) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 7:58:35 pm | | gregy> | So, has Wulf been asking the right question...??? Instead of asking if | IBM will GPL the source code, has he asked if we can make unrestricted | distribution of the compiled .EXEs, for "non-commercial use"....??? | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 431) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:02:10 pm | | glennmcc> | ********************************************************************** | * This program executable, help file, and related text files may be * | * distributed freely and used without fee by any individual for * | * non-commercial use. This version of COMTOOL may NOT be * | * distributed as part of any commercial package. * | * * | * USE THIS SOFTWARE AT YOUR OWN RISK * | ********************************************************************** | | If we could get something like that from IBM... no problem. | | But IBM won't even do _that_. :(( | | ============================================================================ | ============================================================================ | | 432) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:03:57 pm | | glennmcc> | Have they issued anything of that sort for OS/2 ? | | ============================================================================ | | 433) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:04:32 pm | | gregy> | And...if IBM is adamently opposed to us using/distributing the .EXEs.. | ...well.... | .......from your description...it appears that Wulf has already done the | work, and you two have worked out the sideways-integration....so...that | source code is NOT the only (or necessarily the best) JS-engine source | code around.... | ... | I know I found some kind of "open-source" JS website, with source code | and executables...I'm pretty sure it was for Linux.... | .. | So, why can we compile that code, instead of IBM's....??? | ... | And..the original authors of JS (called .CMM - C-Minus-Minus) have put | their engine and source code on the web....I have it d/led on my 486 | box, and it run is DOS....so...there's other cats out there to skin.... | ..if IBM just won't let us use the .EXEs... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 434) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:05:56 pm | | gregy> | nope...they haven't (and probably won't).....but they have for other, | discrete programs/utilities.... Š| .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 435) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:06:33 pm | | glennmcc> | In addition.... | | How do we explain to IBM _how_ we got their copyright protected SRC code | and the resulting 'custom compiles' of their copyright protected EXEs ??? ;- | | ============================================================================ | | 436) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:10:47 pm | | gregy> | I don't know...depends upon how we got ahold of it.... | .. | Now...I mean...I have "Developer Connection" DeviceDriverKits, etc.. | ...all for OS/2....and I'm allowed to use the "framework/stub" code for | my own drivers/software....even for selling it....so...maybe that JS | code was part of some similar distribution from IBM.... | ... | And...as I said...that IBM code is NOT the only game in town....I mean, | the JS engine is well supported/known/developed....for example, in | Mozilla/FireFox/Warpzilla, etc.... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 437) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:13:27 pm | | gregy> | ..and the original guys who "inventer" C-Minus-Minus ...which became | JS...and was developed/integrated/marketed by Netscape, first...gotta | remember that, too.....since Netscape has "open sourced" its browser, | that JS code has been open-sourced, too... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 438) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:16:17 pm | | glennmcc> | Quite correct... | It _is_ well supported in those Win and Linux browsers. | | To my knowlage there exists one and only one system for DOS. | | And IBM won't give permission to distribute it. :(( Š| | ============================================================================ | | 439) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:24:26 pm | | glennmcc> | As for NS now being open-sourced. | | Yep, that's great.... for Win and Linux that-is. | | But _who_ is going to port that code to DOS ? | | Remember 'DOSzilla' ??? | | It died a very quite death and no-one even bothers much anymore | to speak of its "passing into oblivion" :(( | | | ============================================================================ | | 440) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:26:21 pm | | gregy> | Ray....Re:..."logFTP"....hmmmmm...yes, that will be something extra to | check out..... | ... | ..but....I gotta get this CDrecording working, somehow, somewhen...so.. | I'm focused on that..... | .. | hmmmm....well....THAT's a lie....today I was focused on "dig down thru | the piles" and "throw out everything not immediately needed"... | ... | ...and...boy does my poor back hurt.... | .. | But...I dug out my brandnew CD-R/W drives, and I'll be able to try | them with CDRoast, if I can't get this 16x10x40x refurb to burn... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 441) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:26:33 pm | | glennmcc> | The top hits on a Google search for DOSzilla are links to pages that | have not been updated since way back in 1998 | | ============================================================================ | | 442) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:29:20 pm | | gregy> | Glenn....yes....I understand that...however....getting an idea of the | "overall framework" from compiling that IBM code....then...taking the | DOSzilla code, or someother code, and compiling it along the same lines, Š| to the same general framework, as the IBM code (which we now have some | experience with, and know can be sideways-integrated).... | ...that should be more of a doable task....don't you think...??? | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 443) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:34:59 pm | | glennmcc> | Yes... doable. | | But by whom ? | | I do not posess the programming skills to do it, and I am not permitted | to distribute this code to anyone else so that someone with the needed | skills can even have a look to see what needs to be done. | | It's a catch 22 situation. | | I can't distribute the code or the EXEs without IBM giving the OK | | And if they give the OK, the code doesn't _need_ to be distributed | becuase it's already been done by Howard. | | | ============================================================================ | | 444) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:42:46 pm | | ray> | Most illuminating. Lesse if I got this right: Wulf's sources that | you showed above are for a seperate .exe. For DOS. But you (Glenn) | say they won't release it for use. Do we know that? For sure? | Gregy, sounds like you are the man to find out for positively. | | Supposing we take Wulf's sources and I clean and optimize them to the | point that they are unrecognisable? I know it is legal to replace | CR code with rewritten code that does exactly the same thing and | some how I doubt that IBM is going to sue me. Let's do this, even | if it's just within the group for developmental experimentation. | | | ============================================================================ | | 445) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:44:48 pm | | ray> | How did Howard get them? However it was, the fact that you have them | would seem to indicate that some leakage has happened and who's to | say it couldn't happen again? | | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 446) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:44:48 pm | | glennmcc> | Nice plan...... | | But if I were to zip them up and send them to you. | | I would be risking 5 years in a federal prison. | | ============================================================================ | | 447) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:45:36 pm | | glennmcc> | Ain't happenin' dude. | | ============================================================================ | | 448) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:48:17 pm | | glennmcc> | How did Howard get them ? | | Don't know.... better _not_ to know, so ain't gonna ask. | | | ============================================================================ | | 449) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:48:34 pm | | ray> | Come to Canada, get arested here, you spend 18 mo. in a nice | country club, then get released :-) | | Awww nuts. How did you get them? Bet Howard hasn't gone to the | slammer. Lets see what Gregy can dig up. Those old military guys | can do things us civies can't. Seriously, I don't want us | breaking the law, but were there's a will there's a way. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 450) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:52:20 pm | | Agent Smith> | Mr. Anderson... I mean Andrews.... | | We have been listening to your conversation. | | Agent Jones, | Š| Would you please hand me that folder we have on Mr. Andrews. | | ============================================================================ | | 451) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 8:57:13 pm | | glennmcc> | As for Howard not gone to the slammer. | | Have not heard a word from him in almost 2 years now. | | Perhaps I won't here from him for anothe 3 years. | | Never can tell. | | | ============================================================================ | | 452) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:02:48 pm | | ray> | Yeah, I know :-< | But, Gregy's with the army. Chances are he knows someone who can | make this a national security issue. Arachne is the only decent | DOS browser so in a national emergency, when we find that M$ is infact | owned by Saudi Arabia and controled by Osama, it could be a matter of | national survival for Arachne to be fully capable. Ergo we've gotta | have that code. | | Truth is, I sorta believe what I just wrote. Arachne could save the | world one day. | | | ============================================================================ | | 453) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:05:12 pm | | ray> | Man, I cut 2.5K from my .exe today, the rate of compaction is | accelerating, not tapering off. Everyone is working so productively. | Arachne will be so ready for JS so very soon. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 454) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:19:04 pm | | gregy> | Here are the links from my approx 20 minute JS search... | .. | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript_engine | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_JavaScript_engines | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ECMAScript_engines | Š| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpiderMonkey | | http://users.skynet.be/saw/SpiderMonkey.htm | http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/SpiderMonkey | http://www.mozilla.org/js/spidermonkey/ | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMDScript | http://www.digitalmars.com/dscript/ | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_EcmaScript_Interpreter | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_ECMAScript_Engine | http://www.adaptive-enterprises.com.au/~d/software/see/ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECMAScript_engine | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_EcmaScript_Interpreter | | | | ============================================================================ | | 455) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:21:11 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Gregy, did you guys look at my suggestion for MAIL.HTM | page alteration, that I emailed you, yet? glennmcc thinks | it is ugly and fixed it to his liking, but....he only made | cosmetic changes....the general concept he seemed to concede | to. | | ============================================================================ | | 456) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:22:50 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...Re: 427....yepp...you done good, there...all external and done | as "sideways-integration".... | ... | Now...keep that code...keep the integration procedures/process...if we | can come up with a comparable "standalone-engine" (i.e. interpreter) | ..then we should reasonably be able to substitute it for that one based | on the IBM code.....does that sound possible....??? | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 457) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:23:55 pm | | glennmcc> | Not only concede to... LOVED it. :) | | But my 'cosmetic changes' _do_ make it look much better. | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 458) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:26:52 pm | | glennmcc> | Gregy, | Re: post 454 | | Were you able find any links to DOS JS engines ? | | ============================================================================ | | 459) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:28:26 pm | | gregy> | Eric...sorry...I haven't downloaded my email yet today....Re: my | previous post about "sore back".........I'll download it later | tonight, just before I get off net...and take a look (I promise, promise | and promise...Amen and Amen and Amen)..... | ... | Get back to you tomorrow.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 460) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:31:25 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...DOSengine...not....at least not obviously...but...I did before. | ...and this was only a "starting" search....I'll do the whole same thing | I did before....let's see...must be 1.5-2 years ago...???....and collect | the whole shooting match into one huge conglomeration.... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 461) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:32:50 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Your a straight line, unjumbled, kind of format | guy....I'm more flexible....a little crowding, and jostling... | you know...like loading an elevator or subway car....is OK | as long as it makes sense to me. You know, I don't mind | gettin' on a crowded elevator as long as I'm standing next | to Pam Anderson on one side and Dolly Parton on the other. | | ============================================================================ | | 462) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:37:32 pm | | gregy> | Glenn....remember...."DOSengine"....we're not talking about some really | complicated beast here....Arachne is about 50-100 times more complicated | than this "script interpreter"....I mean...that's all it is....I built Š| a Z80 disassembler, once, in BASIC...and I did it "the hard way" and it | wasn't that complicated...it WAS hard...but when I'd finished, the end | proggy wasn't very complicated... | .. | hmmmm...now that I'm remembering....about 2-3 years ago...when we were | discussing getting this scripting added onto Arachne....I bought the | (then) latest Javasjunk Bible with How-To and full spec...so...if I can | find that, that'll help some...but...the REAL way, is those open-source | engines I linked to above.... | ... | C-language is C-language....and an interpreter is one of the simplest | proggies to write....almost as simple as "Hello World"..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 463) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:39:44 pm | | gregy> | Anyway...whereever Wulf got that "IBM code" source code from....the C | code linked to is NOT proprietary, and it should be easily compiled in | DOS...just as well as in someother OS... | ... | let's see what I can come up with.. | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 464) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:41:40 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | How do you like this one ? | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/mail.htm | | ============================================================================ | | 465) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:43:51 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, But it has to answer back...."And Hello, Gregy...How | are you today?" | | ============================================================================ | | 466) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:49:09 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | What about this one ? Š| | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/mail2.htm | | | | ============================================================================ | | 467) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:51:42 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, It looks OK.....but..... | 1. When I page down in 640x480 I lose the top row of icons (not so | with mine) | 2. Why is the "Insight e-mail" justified left instead of centered? | and since it's a title why isn't E-mail capitalized? | 3. When I page down with my page I only lose the "Insight E-mail" | which is not critical. | | ============================================================================ | | 468) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 9:56:14 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I sure do miss having my webpage I used to have | with GDFN. It sure was handier to post the URL for something | than having to email everything. | | ============================================================================ | | 469) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 10:25:12 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | One more ? | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/mail3.htm | | | | ============================================================================ | | 470) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 11:10:23 pm | URL | | gregy> | Ray..Glenn....take a look at this page, especially the "Will the | compiler run under DOS?" question. | | http://www.digitalmars.com/faq.html | | Note - this "compiler" is DigitalMars' C/C++ compiler to be used for | compiling the sources into DMDScriptEngine (a javascript engine)... | ... | Also, note...the compiler runs under W98SE, but...BUT...will generate | DOS16 executable of the DMDScriptEngine....meaning, that just compiling Š| using the DOS16 libraries should produce a DOS 16 standalone executable | ...at least that's the way I'm reading the docs... | ... | ....They also indicate, in that question, that Symantec's DOS compiler | would compile the DMDScriptEngine sources, also...which means, that any | DOS compiler, compatible with Symantec's should compile the sources | into DMDScriptEngine.... | ... | If you guys think that's what they're saying...why...I'd be willing to | buy the CD and get the whole shebang.... | .... | They also have "FreeCompilerDownloadPage" that gives a lot more insight | into just what is possible with this.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 471) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 11:18:43 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Did you read my original email?...When you put the | data boxes at the top of the page, then the TAB key goes to | them instead of the mail icon.....then.....one has to use at | least 4 key presses to "unlock" the page with the TAB key or else | every keypress is changing your name or password info AND one | can't go backward or forward a page or anything else! | Sometimes I just commented out the data entry boxes but I find | it nice to have them showing to confirm that the email parameters | have been entered......so I setup the page as I sent it to you... | I really like it just as I sent it and I find it handiest | with that layout. You can play Rembrandt....I'll be Pollack! | | ============================================================================ | | 472) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 12:18:58 am | | gregy> | Glenn....do you use the TAB key much...??? I don't...but..where I DO | use it...I can see it'd be more useful to have the "most used" links | first on the page...rather than have to tab thru a bunch to get to them. | ... | Maybe you/we could include and Eric-style page for those who TAB instead | of mousey-mousey..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 473) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 9:23:19 am | | ray> | Gregy, | | My man is thinking like I'm thinking. Never mind the compiler, if we | can get something built and integrated and running with DMars then Š| it will be a piece of cake to do whatever reverse engineering is | needed to get the same sources running under Borland. Gregy, you come | up with sources for an freestanding JS engine and it 'Vill' be | integrated with Arachne. This is going to happen. | | Re mail.htm, my attitude here is that Eric is the tabs guy so he | is the final authority on what works for tabers. IMHO, Glenn or | myself have only esthetic comments to make unless Eric's design is | clearly of some impact on mousers -- only then should we have much to | say. Eric, I'll take your page on authority as you design it, tho | as I said, I did find your first one a bit ugly. | | Come to think of it, it's always seemed a bit clumsy to me that | input fields tend to be put above links. Eric is right that (if I | may extrapolate) the links should always come first, all else being | equal. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 474) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 10:36:51 am | | gregy> | Well....Glenn's mail2.htm suits MY purpose, more than the others....I | am not a "tabber"...though I use them a lot more, since Eric pointed | out how they can make nav easier in some "mousey" situations... | ... | But...that mail2.htm...leaves "down the right side" open....for me to | move my personalized links over there from the bottom of the page.. | ... | Hmmmm...I gotta get busy and redesign my mail.htm...anyway...it's got | too much stuff on it that I don't/will-never use....and my personalized | stuff is kinda crowded.....but...I really DO approve of moving the | data-boxes to the bottom, and leaving the righthand side open for MY | links.... | ... | BTW...I think I haven't mentioned this before....but..my MAIL.HTM is | my "Portal" page.....phewey..!!! on "having your ooowwwwwnnn portal | on the Web" al la MSN, YAHOO, GOOGLE, etc.....all my stuff is right | there on my own box....all my logins/signins, other links....and it's | mostly concentrated on my MAIL.HTM page... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 475) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 10:43:22 am | | gregy> | Ray...did you look at that linked page...??? And one or two other pages | there..??? | ... | What I see here is: | 1. We get their "free compiler" plus libraries, etc..this runs on Š| W98SE (I think I read that there)... | 2. We use that compiler on a W98SE box to compile the libraries for | a DOS 16 compatible, standalone DMDScript (same as javascript) engine. | 3. We use the techniques Glenn and Howard Wulf used to integrate that | standalone JSengine with Arachne (sideways-integration).... | 4. That's it...we're there.... | ... | However...I'm such a stumblebum, that I'm spinning around in circles | right now, just trying to implement this LYNX sideways-integration... | ... | sheeesh..!!! To tell the truth...I'm the PERfect guinea-mouse to try | this...since if I can get it done/down-pat then we'll have a procedure | that ANYone can follow...... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 476) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 10:47:20 am | | gregy> | Oh, BTW2...Glenn....this 190 is/has-been running fine.....so, if you | don't hear any gripes, you know I ain't findin' any.......but | ..but (youknewthiswascoming)...I did go back to the 1.89 Insight..just | because a very long link, in an eBay Notification email got truncated | and messed up...and i've heard you mention something about rewriting | Insight (or sumpin) to clip long links in emails....or maybe I'm not | remembering....but, anyway....I'm useing the 1.89 Insight for a few, | just to see it that cures the problem... | | | ============================================================================ | | 477) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 11:00:00 am | | Eric> | Gregy, You must be running at 800x600 with a big monitor so you | have blank space on the right....but if your writing your own page | it really doesn't matter to you what the default page is, right? | I just figure since 640x480 is standard default that the pages | should be as functional and user friendly as possible at the | default resolution. When you go to the mail page and then | press "I" to load INBOX and nothing seems to happen, that's | not friendly. Then after studying the page you realize | the cursor has been moved to the password box and you just | altered your password because you pressed "I" several times | when nothing seemed to respond. That ain't friendly! | | ============================================================================ | | 478) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 11:21:47 am | | gregy> | No, Eric...I'm running 640x480...waddaya think I am....a young guy with | still-sharp eyes...???.... Š| ...did you look at MAIL2.HTM...just a sec. BRB | | | ============================================================================ | | 479) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 11:25:36 am | | gregy> | yep...that's right...Eric...in 640x480 (my default)...cycle thru all F5 | styles....and I STILL see about 2 inches empty space down the righthand | side of that MAIL2.HTM page.... | ...and....I've only got a 17' monitor.... | ...if you've got smaller than that, then you prolly only have 1 1/2 inch | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 480) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 11:30:10 am | | gregy> | he he...Eric....that "I" routine....I've been through THAT numerous | times...although not specifically with the "I"...since I don't "tabby" | around the page....I'm a "mousey"........but....I followed your | steps mentally....and....yes...that is NOT friendly..... | ...so.... | .....now you've reaffirmed to me why I agreed with you about doing an | "upsidedowning" on that page........and...in fact, I'll prolly | adopt the idea (use/modify Glenn's MAIL2.HTM) for my revised homepage. | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 481) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 12:16:23 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Ray, Gregy, | | A new MAIL.HTM is in your email. | | Question: Why are all the page titles justified left instead | of being centered? In my experience, titles are usually centered. | | | ============================================================================ | | 482) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 1:29:05 pm | | gregy> | Eric...nope...don't like it...I want it MY WAY...!!!........and | ..and (ifnotabutthenanand)...I want YOU to have it YOUR WAY...!!! | ... | .. | Answer: Because I/we like it that way..... we detest "centered" Š| stuff....clear enough...??? | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 483) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 3:39:01 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/mail4.htm | | ============================================================================ | | 484) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 3:39:41 pm | | glennmcc> | No vert scrolling at-all. | | Nothing ever gets lost/hidden. | | | ============================================================================ | | 485) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 3:42:47 pm | | glennmcc> | Gregy, | | Grab the brand-new insight.exe v4.4;ML | (no truncateing) | | ============================================================================ | | 486) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 3:44:25 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, What is it you don't like about it? | | ============================================================================ | | 487) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 3:47:16 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Isn't mail4.htm the one I just sent you? | | | ============================================================================ | | 488) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 3:47:59 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/mail5.htm | (same as 4 but aligned-left for Gregy) Š| | ============================================================================ | | 489) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 3:50:00 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep... same page you sent via email, | but with some very slight mods to keep _everything_ on-screen. | | No page-down at-all... so not even "Insight E-mail" gets lost/hidden. | | ============================================================================ | | 490) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 3:51:41 pm | | glennmcc> | In addition... _everthing_ remains as-is in all screen resolutions. | | | ============================================================================ | | 491) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 3:53:35 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, No, in answer to myself....I see you packed th icons | closer togther and left a lot of free space for the title. | Well, if you like a lot of free space at the top of the page then | yours is fine. | | ============================================================================ | | 492) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 3:53:50 pm | | glennmcc> | And I like your idea of haveing the input stuff at the bottom so much... | #4 is is going into the next release package. | | ============================================================================ | | 493) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 3:57:36 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, In some F5 modes mail4 and mail5 still need to be | paged down to see the links on the last bottom line, same as | with the one I sent. | | | ============================================================================ | | 494) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 3:59:58 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/mail6.htm | Š| Same page again... | but this one self-adjusts to 99% of screen width in all resolutions. | | ============================================================================ | | 495) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 4:05:01 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, If you take out the
on line 7 then everything is on | the same page......no page down needed for all F5 modes. | | ============================================================================ | | 496) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 4:05:11 pm | | glennmcc> | Hmmm, now that's strange. | | I have just cycled through all 640x480 F5 screen layouts and everything | remains on-screen. | | Do me a favor. | | Hit the print-screen key, zip-up the resulting _4prt.bmp and email it to me. | | | ============================================================================ | | 497) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 4:11:38 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/640x480.gif | | See ? | | Everything is on-screen here for me even in the F5 layout with the | smallest vertical html screen size. | | ============================================================================ | | 498) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 4:16:47 pm | | glennmcc> | Oops... wait a sec. | | You are using 'all defaults'. | | Which means you have a wide scrollbar. | | Changed my setup to the wide scrollbar and had to scroll-down. | | Please re-download mail4.htm | | It is now fixed to stay on-screen even with the wide scrollbar. Š| | ============================================================================ | | 499) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 4:18:02 pm | | glennmcc> | mail5.htm now fixed as-well. | | | ============================================================================ | | 500) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 4:23:33 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I guess width=99% makes it self adjusting, eh? | | ============================================================================ | | 501) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 4:25:06 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep... sure does. | | So.... how do like #6 ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 502) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 4:32:50 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/mail6.htm | (just now re-uploaded with this at the top) | | | | | And your prefered 'E-mail' is back instead of 'email' | | | ============================================================================ | | 503) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 4:34:14 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, It looks like you got it! All F5 modes give | everything on one page. Looks great to me....but then I'm | only one guinea-mouse. Might look different to a guinea-mouse | who likes to spin his wheel in the other direction. Depends | on which side of the continental divide one resides, maybe? | | ============================================================================ | Š| 504) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 4:36:04 pm | | ray> | To pick nits, I'd like to see the input boxes at the bottom moved | a bit to the right, so the text is flush with the icons on the | left, but don't mind me, if you gents like it I like it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 505) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 4:39:29 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I'm not sure those few ideas warrant all that credit... | but thanks....it's nice to know I'm not totally beserk! | | | ============================================================================ | | 506) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 4:42:57 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/mail7.htm | | | ============================================================================ | | 507) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 4:45:45 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | If you are totally berserk.... so am I because I just placed #6 into the | release package directory ready to be included in v1.90 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 508) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 6:24:07 pm | | ray> | Hmmm, well since someone's listening to me: could we have a line between | the icons and the input fields? Seems to me the page looks a bit | cramped, I'd even put more icons per line above to make more room if | that's needed. Those nice lines some pages have really set different | areas off from one another nicely IMHO. Oh, and just to be fussy, I'd | like the 'Accept' button to be a bit to the left and more centred | between the two rows of input boxes. | | (See what happens when you try to please everyone? ;-) | | .... what happens is that, eventually, out of the confusion, comes | the best possible design ... *that's* what happens when you try to Š| please everyone. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 509) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 6:39:41 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Ya' mean like this.... ;-) | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/mail8.htm | | ============================================================================ | | 510) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 7:26:24 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Mail8 looks good too.....only if that becomes the format | then the COMPOSE MAIL icon should be placed under the GET MAIL icon | so that the most used icons are grouped together. | | ============================================================================ | | 511) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 7:30:17 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/mail9.htm | | Ya' mean like that.... ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 512) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 7:31:28 pm | | Eric> | Continuing #510: | In otherwords the OUT BOX and the COMPOSE MAIL icons should be | switched. | | ============================================================================ | | 513) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 7:34:05 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, looks good but what do think about placing the address | book next to the compose mail icon. | | ============================================================================ | | 514) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 7:41:31 pm | Š| Eric> | glennmcc, with address book and send unsent mail switched...then... | you can ckeck outbox, M or CNTRL LA back and just drop the cursor | straight down and send unsent mail. | | | ============================================================================ | | 515) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 7:50:05 pm | | ray> | Very close to perfect :-) | | Ah, if only we worked for Microsoft -- they'd have some desent software. | | | ============================================================================ | | 516) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:00:06 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Was sendfile.ah worked on some changes made in mime.cfg? | When I click on "send file" it isn't found even tho sendfile.ah | is where it belongs. | | ============================================================================ | | 517) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:05:11 pm | | Eric> | Ray, M$ might have some decent software if they employed us.... | assuming we would concede to work for them.....but they might have | to hire some others to correct our spelling errors. | | | ============================================================================ | | 518) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:12:47 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, is the "define" protocol supposed to work in 1.89? | | ============================================================================ | | 519) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:15:56 pm | | glennmcc> | define: is brand-new.... only works in v1.90 | | ============================================================================ | | 520) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:21:25 pm | | Eric> | Re: sendfile ... forget I said anything. I figured it out. It works... Š| It just didn't work from your work page that I didn't have installed | properly. I got so many mail pages floating around I don't know | when I'm on the currently installed one. | | | ============================================================================ | | 521) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:22:28 pm | | glennmcc> | re:"you can ckeck outbox, M or CNTRL LA back and just drop the cursor | straight down and send unsent mail." | | Or you can stay right there in the outbox and use the 'send unsent mail' | button that's right there. | | ============================================================================ | | 522) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:24:03 pm | | glennmcc> | re: post 517 | | What speelling errors might those be ??? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 523) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:25:25 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | One more step closer toward perfection ;-) | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/mail10.htm | | | ============================================================================ | | 524) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:28:48 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/mail11.htm | | Same page with left-hand title for Gregy.;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 525) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:30:23 pm | | glennmcc> | Shall we vote on that ? | Š| Who says left ? | | Who says center ? | | I'm with Gregy... center is my preference. | | ============================================================================ | | 526) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:30:50 pm | | glennmcc> | Opps... I mean left. | | | ============================================================================ | | 527) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:31:08 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, but it's faster my way if you aren't using a mouse. The | cursor stays right in place to drop into send unsent mail when you | M or CTRL LA. Otherwise you have to TAB to the icon on the OUT BOX | page which is about 8 or nine tabs away. | | ============================================================================ | | 528) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:31:50 pm | | glennmcc> | Sheesh... now I'm getting confuzzled with so many to choose from ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 529) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:33:41 pm | | glennmcc> | But how are you going to 'drop-down' without using thew TAB or the mouse ? | | Do you use ... ? | | X Realtime smooth scrolling ("Netscape") | | | | ============================================================================ | | 530) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:35:51 pm | | glennmcc> | Ahhhh ... now I see. | | With 'Realtime smooth scrolling ("Netscape")' turned-off... just press | the down-arrow to move down. | | With 'Realtime smooth scrolling ("Netscape")' turned-on... Š| Shft+Down-arrow moves down to that button. | | | ============================================================================ | | 531) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:38:39 pm | | glennmcc> | re: Otherwise you have to TAB to the icon on the OUT BOX | page which is about 8 or nine tabs away. | | Or just a single Shft+TAB ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 532) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:45:38 pm | | Eric> | Re: Title.....left?....center? | glennmcc, I don't really care.....it just seems that a | precedent has been established that titles are usually | placed centered at the top of a page......therefore..... | to me it is more quickly identified as the page title | when it is centered. | | | ============================================================================ | | 533) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:49:28 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Damn, I can't get anything by you, can I ! I was just | testing you.....I wasn't going to point it out since it didn't | support my hypothesis. | | | ============================================================================ | | 534) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 8:55:05 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, As I told Ray....that smooth scrolling stuff is for | sissys ! Don't need it....better off without it. | | ============================================================================ | | 535) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 10:27:49 pm | | ray> | On the last two URL's, the icons didn't look evenly spaced here. | | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 536) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 10:30:12 pm | | ray> | Yeah, same with your core. I suppose getting it perfect is a chore, the | last one probably has a bit more or less room, I'm guessing. | | | ============================================================================ | | 537) Sat, Mar 11, 2006 - 11:01:12 pm | | Eric> | Ray, if you look at icons in M$IE you will see that they are | also not evenly spaced. The HTML selects the spacing based on | the individual icon and on the space required for the alphanumeric | label.....so the spacing isn't going to be exactly equal but it | is close enough. I'll bet your left ear isn't the same size as | your right ear, either. | | ============================================================================ | | 538) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 12:30:12 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Check your e-mail for 2 new mailxxxx.htm files. | | | ============================================================================ | | 539) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 8:48:10 am | | ray> | Eric, | | No, not by a long shot. I frost bit my right ear during my first | winter in Edmonton, at the time our family had no idea how to | deal with the cold. The ear stopped growing at that point, so I'm | quite lopsided, Dumbo on the left, shriveled on the right ;-) | | Glenn, can you please lend me an ftp site and password? I'd like to | fire up my logftp and see what glorious things it shows me. BTW, | Gregy is right about this, it should be logftp, logsmtp, logpop3 etc. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 540) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 1:30:42 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/mail12.htm | | There you are gentlemen..... PERFECTION !!!! | Š| Or close to it anyways. | | ============================================================================ | | 541) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 1:36:56 pm | | glennmcc> | I must disagree. | | The correct filenames are ... | | ftp.log, smtp.log and pop3.log | | And the keywords in arachne.cfg are the same except that the dot gets | removed from the filename to create the keyword. | | ftplog Yes creates ftp.log (if you should decide to add such a keyword) | smtplog Yes creates smtp.log | pop3log Yes creates pop3.log | | | ============================================================================ | | 542) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 3:25:02 pm | | Eric> | Re: Mail12.htm | glennmcc, I don't know.....on this side of the continental | divide......well.....don't those icons look too evenly spaced? | Gets kind of boring. <:-) | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 543) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 3:32:55 pm | | glennmcc> | Ah ha... perfection _is_ in the eye of the beholder after-all. | | ============================================================================ | | 544) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 3:53:25 pm | | Eric> | After all guys, The planets don't move in circles and they probably | never travel the exact same path twice....definitely not in any two | consecutive orbits. And, I'd have a hard time finding my way home | if every street corner looked exactly the same....and....the trip | would definitely be much more boring! So, what's this fetish | about having everything equally spaced and lined up in perfect | rows. Niagra Falls looks different from the American side than | it does from the Canadian side. That makes it interesting and | beautiful! Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 545) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 3:55:29 pm | | Eric> | Would you say that Niagra Falls was imperfect 'cause the | water doesn't fall straight down? | hmmmm...rotsa newpages...??? I got f:\glenn\ fullup with new mailpages | ... | .. | Ahhh...I prefer left...but...hey...I'm not gonna use any one of those | pages "stock" anyway....as I said...MAIL.HTM is my "portal" and I got | oodles of stuff on there.... | .. | But...(youknewthiswascoming) ..but..I appreciate that y'all have closed | things up...and given me some more room..... | ... | When I go to modifying that page for my own portal...I'm gonna have MY | links at the upper right, I'm gonna remove most of the buttons (even | more room) and drop the "data fields" down below to just above the | Arachne-links, then fill the space between the two lines with MY own | link-links.........I mean...If I'm gonna customize, then I'm | NOT gonna do any half-hearted effort.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 547) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 4:16:34 pm | | gregy> | Eric......hmmm..Niagra Falls...??? water doesn't fall straight | down..?? Is that because of the combined "planetary-spin and motion- | in-orbit" that you allude to....??? Or are you just pulling my leg.. | I mean...I can prove that the water in my sink or washbasin falls | straight down.....so...waddaya doing....getting un-scientific on us..??? | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 548) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 4:36:46 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...got that 4.4Insight...will give it a try....I was a bit | irritated when I got my "eBay search new listings" email, and couldn't | "click" on the link and get taken right to the item...and..even trying Š| to "patch" the link, in the email didn't work...so....I hope 4.4 helps | this.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 549) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 4:43:51 pm | | gregy> | Glenn....your explanation of "SMTPlog v. logSMTP" makes sense...but... | (youknewthiswascoming)....so does mine (and Ray's) viewpoint... | ... | You use "log" as a noun...Ray and I use "log" as a verb....you're right | ..so are we.......(see, I avoided that "but"..didn't I.....) | .. | What I want is for those .CFG variables to "fall out" alphebetically | all together (which they do, with logXXXX)...and...I'd like them to be | grouped into a separate [Troubleshoot] section down at the bottom, then | we wouldn't have to include them in the standard Arachne release, just | use them (or give them to someone we're troubleshooting) for our own | uses, and nobody not interested would have to even know about them... | ...and...of course...all the defaults would be NO (OFF), or one overall | "logENABLE No/Yes" variable to turn them all OFF... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 550) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 4:47:31 pm | | gregy> | You know...your pioneering SMTPlog and POP3log effort pointed the way | to this (so you can just blame yourself......)...but...we have | the option, over time, of not only having Arachne as one of the best | browsers around...but...as THE key "Internet-Commo Troubleshooting | Engines) on the whole web....I mean....if we do it right...Arachne | can tell us EVERYTHING any server is telling us, and our reply to it | and visa-versa.....and THAT's a REALLY big plus... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 551) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 5:27:54 pm | | glennmcc> | Don't you go blameing that on me. | | All I did was to make what Michael already had more verbose. | | ============================================================================ | | 552) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:08:55 pm | | ray> Š| Evenin' gents, | | Yes, the page is now absolutely perfect by my lights ... all that's left | is to make the same stlylistic modification to all the rest ;-) | | I'm with Gregy above, the names of the .logs must be as they are now, | but by using "logFTP Y" etc. they self-organize, and Gregy makes | a very asstute point, we are using 'log' as a verb such that the | keyword is infact a 'sentance' of sorts, with a subject and predicate. | | So, the FTP logging is in place, now to try it out. Glenn, be a | sport and let me borrow that FTP site you let me use before, unless | of course Gregy wants to Guinea this. | | | ============================================================================ | | 553) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:11:05 pm | | ray> | Happiness, for a guy like me, is adding a whole new logging system and | still having core.exe drop to 384,144. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 554) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:13:16 pm | | ray> | BTW, Gregy, it is indeed *everything*. It wasn't before, there were | a few little gaps, but I now have all the loggings using the same | basic engine and they should all be very consistent in how they work. | | | ============================================================================ | | 555) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:14:19 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray... you've got mail. ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 556) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:17:35 pm | | ray> | I've got this smart-ass idea to make all the logging a four way | choice: Off, log 'commands' only, log 'data' only, log both. | The idea is that sometimes you only want to see the interaction with | the server, you don't need to see some 10Mb file verbatim. Other times, | as with mail, I'd like to have all the text of all my mails in one | file, but I don't want all the server commands. | | Thoughts? Š| | | | | ============================================================================ | | 557) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:18:10 pm | | glennmcc> | re: "....we are using 'log' as a verb such that the | keyword is infact a 'sentance' of sorts, with a subject and predicate." | | | Aaahhhh !!! | | Ray has been taking lessons from Terry the 'grammar sheriff' !!!! | | | | ============================================================================ | | 558) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:18:28 pm | | ray> | Glenn, waiting ... :-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 559) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:20:29 pm | | ray> | What ever happend to Terry. Now I'm all nostalgic for the good old | days of the majordomo list. Too bad we couldn't chase down all those | guys and dolls who left when they thought Arachne was finished | (little did they know!) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 560) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:22:34 pm | | ray> | Ah, thanks, now if I can just remember how FTP works -- expect | some questions. | | | ============================================================================ | | 561) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:28:30 pm | | glennmcc> | Idea: | Š| Since I have everything from all of the list archived. | | I could easily compile a mailing list of _all_ of those email addreeses. | | What about a 'Broadcast E-mail' to all of them ? | | _______________________________________________________________ | | To all former members of all Arachne mailing lists, | | Please forgive the interuption to your day if you are no longer | interested in Arachne. | | If however you _are_ still interested.... | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aralists.php | | Thank you for your time, | | -- | glennmcc | _______________________________________________________________ | | ============================================================================ | | 562) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:31:43 pm | | glennmcc> | Arachne FTP upload........ | | 1) while viewing the file you want to upload, Hit F2 | 2) place the FTP site address, username, password and filename | into the boxes in the FTP upload section at the bottom of the screen. | 3) check 'use binary mode' | 4) hit the upload button and away she goes. | | BRB | | | ============================================================================ | | 563) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:34:43 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://rayandrews0.tripod.com/upload.gif | | ============================================================================ | | 564) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:36:04 pm | | ray> | the broadcast is an excellent idea. | | Now, I went to http://ldbreg.lycos.com and I get the 'frames' Š| message, at the site you emailed me, they said I needed to go there | to validate myself. | | Oppps, dinner, BBL | | | ============================================================================ | | 565) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:37:40 pm | | glennmcc> | No remote hotlinking allowed so you'll need | to turn-off HTTPreferer to get that GIF | | HTTPreferer No | | | ============================================================================ | | 566) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:40:04 pm | | glennmcc> | You needed to read down just a bit further in my email, Ray ;-) | | ---- clipped from the BCC sent to my own address --- | | You must do this to create a web site, blog, or photo album or to store | files. | _________ | | I done did that already Ray... | | Also uploaded a file which is listed and linked to | on the new index.html) | | Both files uloaded using Arachne FTP upload. | | Everything works perfectly. :)) | ___________ | | ============================================================================ | | 567) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:40:49 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://rayandrews0.tripod.com/ | | ============================================================================ | | 568) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:43:50 pm | | glennmcc> | Just now updated index.html to include links to hotlist.htm and upload.gif | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 569) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 6:44:48 pm | | glennmcc> | --- ftp.log --- | 230- ============================================================ | 230- IMPORTANT NOTICE | 230- ============================================================ | 230- | 230- Powerful building tools. Traffic-generating, money-making | 230- programs. It's all waiting for you at the new Tripod. | 230- | 230- httpd://www.tripod.com/ | 230- | 230- ============================================================ | 230- | 230- Tripod offers a cgi-bin to all members! For more | 230- information, visit our CGI tutorial. | 230- | 230- httpd://www.tripod.lycos.com/build/module_library/tutorial/ | 230- | 230- ============================================================ | 230- | 230- Got a great idea for a website? Then don't | 230- wait, get your own web address today! | 230- | 230- httpd://tripod.domains.lycos.com/ | 230- | 230- ============================================================ | 230- | 230- Visit Tripod's Script Library, with free, easy-to-use, | 230- customizable CGI and JavaScripts available to all members. | 230- | 230- httpd://build.tripod.com/tools/script_library | 230- | 230- ============================================================ | 230- | 230- We heard you loud and clear! You love your site, but | 230- you don't like the ads. Remove those pesky popups | 230- forever with Tripod Plus! | 230- | 230- httpd://www.tripod.lycos.com/host/plus.html | 230- | 230- ============================================================ | 200 Type set to 'I' (IMAGE aka BINARY). | 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'index.html'. | _______________ | | ============================================================================ | | 570) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 7:06:29 pm | | gregy> Š| Ray....yes...I guess my attitude is "the more the merrier"...as long as | those can be turned ON/OFF easily.... | ... | Now....I happen to think Glenn's modifying of that Options Page into | the TOGGLE page was one fine bit of inspiration....I mean...things | should be on the Options pages, but...certain of those things should | be also set out on the TOGGLE page ... and that toggle page can be | easily modified by any user, to their own personalization criteria.. | ...so...again...the more the merrier...ah..BUT...just be sure the | defaults are ALL NO/OFF....per my thoughts on [Troubleshoot] section, | above.. | "...choice: Off, log 'commands' only, log 'data' only, log both. ..... | ..thoughts?" | | | ============================================================================ | | 571) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 7:09:00 pm | | gregy> | and..Glenn...yes...you have my permission to do a broadcast to the old | members of the AList..... | .. | Seriously, I think some of them might be interested... | .. | However, these two dev boards should best be handled as we do now...not | broadcast around, but still available to those who are REALLY interested | and involved... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 572) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 7:16:43 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Not gonna broardcast the message boards nor the mailing lists themselves | just this link: | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aralists.php | | Anyone interested can handle it tfrom there. | | | ============================================================================ | | 573) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 7:28:59 pm | | gregy> | yes...I went and looked....thus my concurrance, above.... | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 574) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 7:29:44 pm | | gregy> | I mean...I think it's a good idea....and thanks to Ray's nostalgia for | raising the thought.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 575) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 7:30:36 pm | | gregy> | I mean2....nostalgia is sum'at akin to sentamental neuralgia... | | | ============================================================================ | | 576) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 7:35:58 pm | | ray> | Glenn, I didn't realise that you were working on logging FTP too, | my maiden log is about the same as the above, I expected to see | more commands going back and forth. | | | ============================================================================ | | 577) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 7:41:12 pm | | glennmcc> | I'm _not_ working on it... that's Michael's orignal code at work. ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 578) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 7:42:47 pm | | glennmcc> | All FTP uploads are logged to FTP.LOG... but only up to the point of | beginning the upload. | | That's why this was the last line in FTP.LOG | | 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'index.html'. | | ============================================================================ | | 579) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 7:45:28 pm | | glennmcc> | --- in ftp.c --- | | //open cache filename: | if(uploadfile) Š| strcpy(cache->locname,"FTP.LOG"); | else | { | ptr=strchr(cache->locname,'.'); | if(ptr) | { | strcpy(&ptr[1],"FTP"); | strcpy(cache->rawname,cache->locname); | } | } | | | ============================================================================ | | 580) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 7:58:50 pm | | glennmcc> | 230- ============================================================ | 230- IMPORTANT NOTICE | 230- ============================================================ | 230- | 230- Powerful building tools. Traffic-generating, money-making | 230- programs. It's all waiting for you at the new Tripod. | 230- | 230- httpd://www.tripod.com/ | 230- | 230- ============================================================ | 230- | 230- Tripod offers a cgi-bin to all members! For more | 230- information, visit our CGI tutorial. | 230- | 230- httpd://www.tripod.lycos.com/build/module_library/tutorial/ | 230- | 230- ============================================================ | 230- | 230- Got a great idea for a website? Then don't | 230- wait, get your own web address today! | 230- | 230- httpd://tripod.domains.lycos.com/ | 230- | 230- ============================================================ | 230- | 230- Visit Tripod's Script Library, with free, easy-to-use, | 230- customizable CGI and JavaScripts available to all members. | 230- | 230- httpd://build.tripod.com/tools/script_library | 230- | 230- ============================================================ | 230- | 230- We heard you loud and clear! You love your site, but | 230- you don't like the ads. Remove those pesky popups | 230- forever with Tripod Plus! | 230- | 230- httpd://www.tripod.lycos.com/host/plus.html | 230- Š| 230- ============================================================ | 200 Type set to 'I' (IMAGE aka BINARY). | 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'mila_01.jpg'. | | | ============================================================================ | | 581) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 8:01:54 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | HTTPreferer off again..... http://rayandrews0.tripod.com/mila_01.jpg | | ============================================================================ | | 582) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 9:02:07 pm | | ray> | Damnation! Thanks for that, I was trying to create a log file with | a name that's already taken, and I didn't notice it. | | No luck so far, with either core. So 'referer has to be off for this | to work? I thought that was only for other protocols, let me try | again ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 583) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 9:07:57 pm | | ray> | Still no luck with mine, try yours ... how long does it take for | the update of the page? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 584) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 9:19:53 pm | | ray> | Here's an FTP log (mine) trying to send files: | | I cut out the borring message stuff: | Arachne v | file://ftp1.log Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:0 | ____________________________________________________________________________ | | 220 Welcome to Tripod FTP. | USER rayandrews0 | 331 Username set to rayandrews0. Now enter your password. | PASS canuck | 230 User 'rayandrews0' logged on. | PASV Š| 227 Entering Passive Mode (209,202,240,80,154,236) | TYPE I | 200 Type set to 'I' (IMAGE aka BINARY). | STOR ftp.c | 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'ftp.c'. | 220 Welcome to Tripod FTP. | USER rayandrews0 | 331 Username set to rayandrews0. Now enter your password. | PASS canuck | 230 User 'rayandrews0' logged on. | PASV | 227 Entering Passive Mode (209,202,240,80,155,147) | TYPE I | 200 Type set to 'I' (IMAGE aka BINARY). | STOR ftp.c | 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'ftp.c'. | 220 Welcome to Tripod FTP. | USER rayandrews0 | 331 Username set to rayandrews0. Now enter your password. | PASS canuck | 230 User 'rayandrews0' logged on. | PASV | 227 Entering Passive Mode (209,202,240,80,156,230) | TYPE I | 200 Type set to 'I' (IMAGE aka BINARY). | STOR hot1mine | 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'hot1mine'. | | It looks to me like it's happy enough, but nothing shows up | on my page. | | That .gif you sent is very clear on what needs to be done, but no | luck with either core, with httprefferer on or off. | | | ============================================================================ | | 585) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 9:45:55 pm | | gregy> | Glenn.... | | -------------my LYNX2851.BAT-------------- | f: | cd \lynx2851 | lynx.exe -cfg f:\lynx2851\lynx.cfg | file:///r:/mail.htm | cd \ | ------------------------------------------- | NOTE - that I put "r:/mail.htm" as my homepage... | ..should that be alright...??? And, that it's | on my "R:" drive (my RAMdisk) | | -------------my DOSLYNX.BAT---------------- | f: Š| cd \lynx2851 | lynx.exe -cfg f:\lynx2851\lynx.cfg %1 | r: | -------------------------------------------- | AGAIN - "R:" is my RAMdisk....F: is where I stash | all my Internet Apps.. | | QUESTION - Does this look okay to you....??? | What about changes in MIME.CFG....??? Any...??? | | QUESTION 2 - I know to put LYNX.CFG into my f:\lynx2851\ | directory, and DOSLYNX.BAT back into my r:\arachne\ | directory, but WHERE do I put LYNX2851.BAT for accessibility | ...??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 586) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 9:48:44 pm | | gregy> | hmmm...somebody (Eric..??) asked about the "define:" function...Glenn | said that that's only available in 1.90....that's true...and you can | download that core...there's a link posted | | | ============================================================================ | | 587) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 9:56:19 pm | URL | | gregy> | et al,... | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190-0306.zip | | Somebody (Eric..??) asked about the "define:" function..Glenn answered | that it's only in 1.90....the link is reposted for those who want to | download that core... | .. | To get a feel for how it works, just try the "find:" functionality: | enter into your URLbox: | fine:arachneGPL | ... | ...and see what pops up....well, the define: pops up Mr. Webster with | your definition, or a list of other words you might wanna look at (which | feature makes it a pretty good SpellChecker, too....Ray......) | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 588) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 9:58:17 pm | | gregy> Š| Oh, BTW...et al....you might want to check out the pics (link on my | MISC board).... | | | ============================================================================ | | 589) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 10:59:47 pm | | ray> | Gregy, I keep forgeting the url of your other board, why aren't they | shown on your homepage? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 590) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 11:05:31 pm | | gregy> | I think I'm going nuts.... | 1. I have a text file...named just plain "1lynx"...no extension, | nothing.... | 2. I see it in the directory listing and click on it....WWWMAN gives | me R:\1lynx\*.htm...which doesn't show it... | ... | QUESTION - whatever happened to the "Show as TEXT" option that used | to be on these "I don't recognize this type file" pages......???? | | QUESTION 2 - Where is that "Use DOSLYNX on the last page" link which | I thought was on the F2 screen....??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 591) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 11:08:27 pm | URL | | gregy> | Ray...because it's linked on Glenn's /arachne/ page... | | http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/brd/misc/mindex.php | | enjoy.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 592) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 11:08:34 pm | | ray> | | 220 Welcome to Tripod FTP. | USER rayandrews0 | 331 Username set to rayandrews0. Now enter your password. Š| PASS canuck | 230 User 'rayandrews0' logged on. | PASV | 227 Entering Passive Mode (209,202,240,80,219,159) | TYPE I | 200 Type set to 'I' (IMAGE aka BINARY). | STOR ftp.log | 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'ftp.log'. | 226 Transfer complete. (1546 bytes sent.) | QUIT | 221 Goodbye... | | Looks good, but no files on my page :-( | | | | ============================================================================ | | 593) Sun, Mar 12, 2006 - 11:37:41 pm | | gregy> | Well...checking out that "missing" "View as TexT" link problem... | 1. Went back to v1.87 and it worked as normal... | 2. Substituted in COPY.AH, MIME.CFG, WWWMAN.CFG, WWWMAN.EXE...from the | 1.87 to the 1.89/1.90 install I'm using...none of them made any diff. | 3. substituted in v1.87 CORE.EXE and...voila..!!!...things worked as | they should.... | ... | QUESTION - CORE.EXE 189/190 is causing this...what's wrong...??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 594) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 12:31:27 am | | Eric> | Gregy, I've got 34 links on the mail.htm page now all showing | on one page. That's in addition to all the standard mail page | stuff. Then if I page down I have a hotlist of links. | That idea of yours to put links on mail.htm is pretty handy. | | ============================================================================ | | 595) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 12:40:03 am | | gregy> | oh...well...you're welcome...I haven't patented it yet..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 596) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 7:12:28 am | URL | Š| glennmcc> | HTTPreferer off ... was refering to getting the .JPG | (tripod does not permit remote linking of images) | | Tripod does not do dir listings.... | index.html must be edited manually and the edited version re-uploaded. | | http://rayandrews0.tripod.com/index.html | (I edited it to include your new files) | | | ============================================================================ | | 597) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 7:22:26 am | | glennmcc> | file:1lynx == no workie | | file:1lynx. == workie fine | | ============================================================================ | | 598) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 7:35:06 am | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | Since you have been posting the password within your ftp.log files here... | | I changed the password and emailed it to you. | | | ============================================================================ | | 599) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 3:47:39 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Which do you like better ? | | http://rayandrews0.tripod.com/index.html | http://rayandrews0.tripod.com/index.htm | | ============================================================================ | | 600) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 4:21:45 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Ah, so all that garbage did get up there after all. If the index | isn't updated automaticaly, then how can I check that any particular | file has been uploaded? I'll be buggering around in ftp.c so I want | to check that I haven't busted anything. Oh and now how do I remove | all that garbage? Š| | Which reminds me the 'sock_wait_input' line in ftp, on very | preliminary grounds, seems counter productive, all it seems to do | is cut out the last command from my new .log. It's the only call | to that function anywhere. | | Thanks for new password, I let it out because I was going to ask | Eric to try to use it, but that was before your exp. above. | | As to the layouts, I like the more informative version for sure, | infact I'd like it even better if more space could be given to | a little description line on the right. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 601) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 4:27:31 pm | | ray> | This is the change that line causes: | | 220 Welcome to Tripod FTP. | USER rayandrews0 | 331 Username set to rayandrews0. Now enter your password. | PASS canuck | 230 User 'rayandrews0' logged on. | PASV | 227 Entering Passive Mode (209,202,240,80,219,159) | TYPE I | 200 Type set to 'I' (IMAGE aka BINARY). | STOR ftp.log | 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'ftp.log'. | 226 Transfer complete. (1546 bytes sent.) | | | These lines don't make it to the log with that function active: | | QUIT | 221 Goodbye... | | ... and it looks like the 'QUIT' should be sent, no? | I think there is some questionable stuff in ftp.c. | | | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 602) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 4:30:26 pm | | ray> Š| Hmmm, thinking ... let me guess, after uploading a file, you've got | to download the index, then edit and reupload it to reflect the | changes you've made, right? But there still must be a way of | seeing what's there from there. Off to go exploring ... | | ============================================================================ | | 603) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 4:42:08 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | ftp://rayandrews0@ftp.tripod.com/ | | When prompted... enter the password. | | ============================================================================ | | 604) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 5:10:38 pm | | glennmcc> | re:".... It's the only call to that function anywhere. ..." | | Only one call ??? | | Hmmmm, I count 7 | | | ---------- e:ftp.c | [59] sock_wait_input( socket, sock_delay, (sockfunct_t) TcpIdleFunc, | [76] sock_wait_input( socket, sock_delay, (sockfunct_t) TcpIdleFunc, | [138] sock_wait_input( socket, sock_delay, (sockfunct_t) TcpIdleFunc, | [163] sock_wait_input( socket, sock_delay, (sockfunct_t) TcpIdleFunc, | [224] sock_wait_input( socket, sock_delay, (sockfunct_t) TcpIdleFunc, | [297] sock_wait_input( socket, sock_delay, (sockfunct_t) TcpIdleFunc, | [347] sock_wait_input( socket, sock_delay, (sockfunct_t) TcpIdleFunc, | [466] sock_wait_input( socket, sock_delay, (sockfunct_t) TcpIdleFunc, | | | | ============================================================================ | | 605) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 5:13:37 pm | | glennmcc> | Oops... make that 8 | | And it's called in other modules as-well | | 8 e:ftp.c | 2 e:htkernel.c | 9 e:popget.c | 11 e:sendmail.c | | ============================================================================ | Š| 606) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 5:52:43 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...Re: 597.....no-workie/workie.....my question was WHY doesn't | it kickup the COPY.AH the way it used to.....??? | ... | And, it appears to be a change in CORE...but maybe I'm mistaken... | ... | So, why does ANY file, without an extension, get mishandled....??? | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 607) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 5:56:31 pm | | gregy> | I mean...it automagically adds that "\" to the filename-without-ext | instead of asking you what YOU want to do with it.... | ... | ...so...is that the "intuitively obvious" action we want newUser to | see...??? When...all along previously, we have given them a clear | button to "Preview as text"...??? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 608) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 6:03:27 pm | | glennmcc> | --- in urlstat.c ---- | | //!!glennmcc: Nov 13, 2005 -- append '\' if we forget to enter it in typed U | if(strlen(absURL->file)>1 && | !strstr(absURL->file,".") && | absURL->file[strlen(absURL->file)-1]!='\\' | ) | {strcat(absURL->file,"\\");} | //!!glennmcc: end | | ________________________ | | Joe also implemented my change in his code. | | * Also modified code for dealing with URL's not ending with '/'. | | | I'll have a look at his modification. | | BBL | | ============================================================================ | | 609) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 6:14:12 pm Š| | glennmcc> | Nope... he did not include that 'fix' after-all. | | ============================================================================ | | 610) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 6:16:56 pm | | glennmcc> | Just now testing Joe's core.exe | | file:\arachne | | Still results in 'Arachne load error' | | With my little fix in-place... the trailing \ gets added automatically | and we get the dir listing of \arachne\ | | | | ============================================================================ | | 611) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 6:28:03 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Ooops, feel like an idiot <:-\ | Sorry, I call it via a macro, except that one time, because that one | time it does not use the same socket as with every other call. | The call is unique in that way, but NOT unique as far as being | called per se of course, dumb and dumber. Sloppy. | Can't afford that sort of thing in my bussiness. Gregy, send me to | the sockade. | | | ============================================================================ | | 612) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 6:30:44 pm | | ray> | Just chasing a bug in my code. I was getting a crash going to the | tripod editing page. Cause is that at one point it tries to | outs() a line that's 542 character long and my code could only | handle 512. For crying in the sink, is there no reasonable limit | to these things? | | | ============================================================================ | | 613) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 6:33:13 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Gregy, Š| | Since you don't seem to like that little 'fix'...... | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190-0313.zip | file:somefile == workie fine again | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 614) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 6:33:31 pm | | gregy> | so...what you're saying is that you're forcing all users to have ONLY | files with extensions....or else...they're gonna hafta edit the URL | line to DELETE your "\" and insert a ".".....????? | ..rather than the way it always has been where it kicks up COPY.AH..??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 615) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 6:34:16 pm | | gregy> | he he....Glenn...you're tooooooo quick for me..... | ... | I'll go get it.....thanks..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 616) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 6:35:11 pm | | glennmcc> | Simple fix.......... don't outs() them lines at-all. | | The damn things go by too fast to read 'em anyways. | | | ============================================================================ | | 617) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 6:39:43 pm | | gregy> | yep....workies purrrrrrrrfekly..... | ... | ..again, thanks.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 618) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 6:49:07 pm | | gregy> | oh...still gots those other two questions: Š| 1. Whereat is that page that had the button for DOSLynx....?? | 2. Where at should I put my LYNX2851.BAT....?? | XTRA QUESTION | 3. Arachne doesn't need any special lines in MIME.CFG for LYNX to | work...??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 619) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 7:04:18 pm | | glennmcc> | lynx2851.bat is for launching Lynx from the command line | Place it in the same place you have all of the rest of your commonly used .B | | Mine are kept in c:\1batch\ | | doslynx.bat is located in your arachne_main dir from use by this l;ine | in mime.cfg | | [glennmcc stuff] | file/lynx.dgi |@call $edoslynx.bat $s | | Let's say you want to do a 'secure login' to CitBank so that you can | check your VISA card ballance. | | In Arachne, visit http://www.citibank.com/ | (auto redirects to.... http://www.citibank.com/us/b2.htm ) | | Press F2 and hit the "Open last visited page with DosLynx" button. | | | http://www.citibank.com/us/b2.htm is now 'opened' in Lynx. | | Proceed with login via HTTPS and check your CC ballance. | | When you're all done... 'Quit' Lynx and you'll be right back into | Arachne at the same point where you left on http://www.citibank.com/us/b2.ht | | | ============================================================================ | | 620) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 7:57:15 pm | | gregy> | okay...I ALT-Xed out of Arachne (with the packet driver still loaded and | the dialup still connected) | Then launched LYNX from the CLI.....(capture with PRN2FILE) | ===========LY.LOG=============== | | F:\>ly (NOTE - I renamed LYNX2851.BAT to LY.BAT) | | F:\>f: | F:\>cd \lynx2851 | Š| F:\LYNX2851>lynx.exe -cfg f:\lynx2851\lynx.cfg | No nameserver defined | No nameserver defined | No nameserver defined | | Looking up lynx.isc.org | Unable to locate remote host lynx.isc.org. | Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host. | | lynx: Can't access startfile http://lynx.isc.org/ | | F:\LYNX2851>file:///r:/arachne/mail.htm | Command or filename not recognized | | F:\LYNX2851>cd \ | | F:\> | | | ============================================================================ | | 621) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 8:02:00 pm | | gregy> | For now...the only things to worry about are those "No nameserver | defined" errormessages... | ... | I scoped down thru LYNX.CFG and couldn't fine even the variables... | ...where else would I look for them...??? | | I deduce that you are using LYNX over your "always ON" wideband | connection, therefore it is "Connection READY"....therefore the DNSes | have to be somewhere in your system where LYNX can get them.... | ...I have mine in ENV DNS1 and DNS2.... | With my connection already dialed up, then Arachne collapsed without | knocking-down he connection, I have "Connection READY" condition and | operation, also... | | | ============================================================================ | | 622) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 8:22:41 pm | | gregy> | okay...I edited WATTCP.CFG.... | nameserver = $(DNS1) | nameserver = $(DNS2) | ... | ...and....voila...!!!.....it connected to "something.yada.lynx.org" | or some such....and I fiddled with it a little....I'll hafta do some | more scoping out.... | ... | When I "q" quit, it returned me to the DOS CLI and, of course, couldn't | find that "///r:/arachne/mail.htm" because DOS recognizes no such name | ...but..that's a minor inconvenience....also....I need to set someother Š| page for it to go to immediately on launch...but...hey...success is | getting connected to start with...and IT FLEW..!!!.... | ... | BTW...this was with your (Glenn) LYNX2851.CFG loaded into it's directory | over LYNX.CFG | | | | ============================================================================ | | 623) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 8:24:47 pm | | gregy> | oh, yeah...it must have gone to "lynx.isc.org"...that's what it couldn't | locate in post 620....somehow I'll have to point it to a local file, | or point it here, or something...I don't wanna go there everytime.. | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 624) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 8:26:00 pm | | gregy> | Now...FIRST question I have....how do I enter a "http://www.some.com/" | URL....??? I couldn't see anywhere/anyhow to do that... | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 625) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 8:27:54 pm | | gregy> | SECOND question I have....I just pressed F2, on this page right now, and | up came the "save" page....but there was no DOSLynx button on it...so | ...where is the page with that button.....??? | F2 did NOT bring up a page with that button on it... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 626) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 8:29:22 pm | | gregy> | but...all-in-all....I'm pleased with how well this little project has | gone, so far....it looks like it's gonna be a weener..... | ... | (if only the CDRoast will finally unstick and GO, too)... | | | ============================================================================ | | 627) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 8:31:11 pm Š| | gregy> | oh...and...doesn't Lynx make use of a mouse...???....or is ALL of the | navigating done with the arrowkeys....??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 628) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 8:40:18 pm | | gregy> | Also.... | | 405) Thu, Mar 09, 2006 - 9:19:57 pm | | glennmcc> | | --- lynx2851.bat --- | | cd \lynx2851 | | lynx.exe -cfg c:\lynx2851\lynx.cfg file:///c:/html/mypages/hotlist0.htm | | cd \ | | ____________________ | | 423) Fri, Mar 10, 2006 - 3:45:58 pm | | glennmcc> | | You will also need to modify doslynx.bat located in your Arachne_main | | dir | | | | c: | | cd \lynx2851 | | lynx.exe -cfg c:\lynx2851\lynx.cfg %1 | | l: | | Glenn...it seems to me, that the filenames LYNX2851.BAT and DOSLYNX.BAT | should be swapped....??? | I mean, the CLI bat will never return to "file:///r:\arachne\mail.htm | .... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 629) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 8:51:09 pm | | gregy> | I mean....this last part, "file://etc" doesn't have any meaning for the | CLI, does it...??? | | lynx.exe -cfg c:\lynx2851\lynx.cfg file:///c:/html/mypages/hotlist0.htm | | | | ============================================================================ | | 630) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 8:51:47 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Is your DOSLynx project a "weiner", "wiener", or "winner"? | That "weener" is open to multiple interpretations! Š| If you get it working I may have to follow suite! | | ============================================================================ | | 631) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 9:21:27 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | RE 616, I've been thinking the same thing more and more, there are | far too many places where everything but the kitchen sink is | outsf'ed and all it does is overwrite some line that you might acutualy | want to see. I've cut several of them out of the mail handling | code, and it's much better IMO since you keep seeing what you want | to see which is the progress line. The place for detailed output | is the .logs. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 632) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 9:26:36 pm | | ray> | Tried the URL above and it shows me what I'd expect, but how can I | remove those garbage files? The 'manage files' thingy at the main | tripod page shows me the files but there's no provision for removal | that I can see. | | | ============================================================================ | | 633) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 9:38:14 pm | | gregy> | Eric...Re: weener.....answer...all of the above.... | ... | And...essentially, except for a few minor tweaks, and just getting used | to how it operates....I HAVE got it working....I mean...I did my normal | Arachne-launch...then dialed-up and connected...then "ESC" knocked | Arachne down (ALT-X would have done the same thing) without terminating | the EPPPDpacketdriver or disconnecting the dialup connection.... | ...at that point, I was sitting at the CommandLineInterface (CLI) and | could try to launch LYNX usin the CLI .BAT....since LYNX always is | launched "Connection READY".....so....that's what I did...launched | the CLI .BAT....and....voila...!!! it was UP-ONLINE-SURFING to the | default "lynx.isc.org" ....so....it's working..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 634) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 9:40:39 pm | | gregy> | Ray...I was gonna make a suggestion, before, but I forgot.... Š| ... | However, once you have a couple files located on some FTPserver, why | don't you just forget about that FTP-uploading....I mean, you only | trying to test/perfect FTPlogging....NOT trying to perfect FTPuploading | ...I mean...why not do your logging-testing...by FTPdownloading...??? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 635) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 9:48:24 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | I want to learn to drive the site completely, or at least as | much as I can given that Glenn owns it. I'm thinking that having | my own upload site is a good idea, I've been meaning to do it | for a while and now I've got Glenn to help me so why not? | Of course you are right I've got to test my stuff on downloading too, | but as I said above, I spent most of my Arachne time today | with that blasted crash due to a 542 character line. there otta | be a law. | | | ============================================================================ | | 636) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 10:05:48 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, It's not working until you do some ssl transactions | successfully.....I don't need DOSLynx to go to lynx.isc.org.... | Arachne will do that ! | | ============================================================================ | | 637) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 10:06:51 pm | | gregy> | Ray...okay, then...you're primarily testing your "FTPupload" procedure, | along with getting in some testing/coding on FTPlogging....just didn't | understand that....I mean...I could see you were trying to test and | implement two things at once, and THAT is always dicey... | ... | And...yes...why don't you get yourself a small free site for posting | files, etc...doesn't hafta be big....but...hey...if it's there... | ... | oh...but....what about your own, personal webpages/site your ISP gives | you to go along with your dialup connection....I mean...your ISP DOES | give you some free Mbytes, don't they...???....I mean...EVerybody's | ISP gives them free webpages....so yours must, too, right...?? | | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 638) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 10:09:03 pm | | gregy> | Eric...yes...well...I hafta disagree with you......it's working | ... | ... | Now..can anyone tell me where (what name) the page/file is that has that | blasted "DOSLynx" button on it...I'm going crazy, can't find it...and | have been thru all the .AH files...plus most of the .HTM files, and the | .HTP files....and I can't find it anywhere....so..HELPPPPP...!!!!! | | | ============================================================================ | | 639) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 10:21:42 pm | | glennmcc> | lynx2851.bat is not for use in connection with Arachne | | That one is for lynx alone... lunched from the CLI | | doslynx.bat is only run via the line in mime.cfg from within Arachne | | lynx2851.bat != doslynx.bat | | ============================================================================ | | 640) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 10:22:27 pm | | glennmcc> | As to the botton on F2 screen. | | It is commented-out in the 'lite' version. | | | ============================================================================ | | 641) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 10:24:41 pm | | glennmcc> | | | remove this one too --------------------------- | | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 642) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 10:25:12 pm | | glennmcc> | That is in arachne_main\system\gui\saveas.ah | | ============================================================================ | | 643) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 10:26:39 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Did you see the "bad email" sent by Bastiaan to the list? | When I checked the HTML code version with an editor, the SRC= | for the GIF is truncated....is that a bug in insight? | | | ============================================================================ | | 644) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 10:28:13 pm | | glennmcc> | Edit the line in your ly.bat to point ot a local file.... | | lynx.exe -cfg c:\lynx2851\lynx.cfg file:///c:/html/mypages/hotlist0.htm | _______change to something like--->file:///c:/gregy/home.htm | | ============================================================================ | | 645) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 10:30:50 pm | | glennmcc> | Now when you use Lynx by itself, outside of Arachne.... c:\gregy\home.htm | will be your 'start page'. | | ============================================================================ | | 646) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 10:32:24 pm | | glennmcc> | Or you can do this if you prefer and you'll come here at start-up. | | lynx.exe -cfg c:\lynx2851\lynx.cfg | http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/ctst/ctsindex.php | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 647) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 10:40:09 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | I fixed that for Bastiaan last month Š| | ============================================================================ | | 648) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 10:48:55 pm | | glennmcc> | Nevermind... new problem :( | | I do not get seperate emails from freelists, I read them on-line. | | http://www.freelists.org/archives/arachne/03-2006/msg00002.html | | Could you please attach that CNM file to an email to me ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 649) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 11:13:10 pm | | gregy> | okay....thanks..Glenn...I'll make those changes... | .. | but...BUT...you DID notice that SURPRISE...!!!!...gregy DID get it to | work....!!!!....... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 650) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 11:19:50 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Bastiaan's "bad e-mail" is in your mailbox at cisnet... | I hope..... | | ============================================================================ | | 651) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 11:35:12 pm | | gregy> | Well, here I am in Lynx2851...so...it must be that IT WORKS...!!!! | .... | This is running it from the CLI....next, I'll try it to my | CreditUnion, using that F2 link.... | | ============================================================================ | | 652) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 11:42:19 pm | | gregy> | BTW...Glenn...I got that "cert.pem" file from Doug's site....and I may | use it...but...will I automatically collect these certificates as I | login to various secure sites....??? | | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 653) Mon, Mar 13, 2006 - 11:43:32 pm | | gregy> | BTW2...do I have to have HTTPS2HTTP No in my ARACHNE.CFG....??? or won't | it make any difference...??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 654) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 12:34:11 am | | gregy> | he he he....I hafta fiddle with my CreditUnion URL a bit....but...I just | got done signin-eBay...and checking mYeBay, and doing one of my favorite | SEARCHES...and...and...it all worked just fine.... | ...this "sideways-integration" DOSLynx seems to work just fine... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 655) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 12:35:55 am | | gregy> | and..Eric....you'll WUUUUUUuuuuuvvvvv this Lynx2851....it's ALL TABs, | and ArrowKeys and PgUP/PgDOWN.....ain't a mouse in the house.... | ... | howsomeever...I'll hafta use it some more in order to get used to it.. | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 656) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 1:25:28 am | | gregy> | Eric....just signedon to my CreditUnion Acct...and checked balance, etc | ....and it worked fine........had to use the CLI .BAT, though, | because the Arachne "sideways" DOSLynx does not seem to want to refer | to an "HTTPS:" URL....and my CreditUnion will not respond to any | HTTP://my.creditunion.net/ type URL....it only responds on a URL of the | type HTTPS://my.creditunion.net/ ....then it works finest kind.... | ... | Glenn...do you find that to be true..too....if not...how DO you get | the Arachne/DOSLynx-sideways to issue an "HTTPS:" type URL-request...??? | .. | The HTTP initial URL (which eBay-internal referred to an HTTPS type URL) | worked fine on eBay...but not on my CU.... | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 657) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 1:33:33 am | | gregy> | Glenn...yup...just checked it several different ways...and Arachne flat | refuses to acknowledge, or deal with, that "s" on the https....it clips | it everytime...no matter what various way I might try to get it to use | it, or send it....so...since my CU acknowledges no plain HTTP (at least | not to the signon page)...the "click for DOSLynx" function won't work | .... | however...the cli thing works fine........but, then, I'm entering | the "https" manually (actually, giving it as an argument to the .BAT | file)....so... | ... | waddaya think...???.....suggestions....??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 658) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 1:47:01 am | | gregy> | but...(youknewthiswascoming)....it sure works well for ordinary | browsing...here I am, again, with it...and this time, I did it thru | the F10, Your Apps, LYNX2851.OOK (click).....and LYNX came right up | ....now...I think I'll customize it a bit...so it returns me to | Arachne when I close it out... | | | ============================================================================ | | 659) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 1:53:06 am | | gregy> | now back in Arachne.... | ... | BTW....Glenn...I know you're gonna ask the question...so I'll tell you | the answer beforehand.... | .. | Yes...I did....changed all my .CFGs and .ACFs so that they all had | HTTPS2HTTP No | .. | So, Arachne's clipping the HTTPS down to HTTP is not caused by that | setting in the .CFG.... | ... | Just thought I'd anticipate you, there..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 660) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 1:55:05 am | | gregy> | And...I hafta say....I'm really, really pleased...LYNX2851 integrates | VERY well with Arachne....and that HTTPS-URL-clipping in the "referrer" Š| function, can be worked around by feeding the URL to the CLI .BAT as | an argument (%1).... | | | ============================================================================ | | 661) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 1:57:20 am | | gregy> | And....after editing the DRIVE:\DIRECTORY statements, the .OOK works | just fine, too... | ... | hmmmm...maybe I can customize that .OOK a bit, so as to pass it the | HTTPS URL as an arg... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 662) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 2:25:57 am | | gregy> | welp...solved THAT problem....just put a lynx-link on my mail.htm (to | the .OOK), with the .OOK set to bring up a LINK2.HTM, in which page is | the HTTPS: URL for my CU....and a couple down-arrows and an | get me riiiigggghhhhtttt there.......... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 663) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 7:26:08 am | | ray> | Gregy, re 637, nope my ISP doesn't have that. | | Glenn, re 640, Instead of a 'lite' version, why don't you just do | what I do, which is make the choice of mime.cfg a config option? | I can change from mimefull.cfg to mimelite.cfg via arachne.cfg, there's | no need to call that a change of version any more than going from | pppenhan to ppplite is a change in version. Dumb. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 664) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 12:12:58 pm | | Eric> | Guys, Looks like Coollist may be broke again.....Bastiaan is | getting returned mail from the Coollist email daemon....says | he's not subscribed....when he tries to re-subscribe Coollist | says he is already subscribed. | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 665) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 1:33:48 pm | | ray> | I wish it would just stay down for the count so's everyone would | move to freelist and be done with it. Maybe even better, we could | have a 'general' board. After all, the boards do everything that | email does and probably better. | | | ============================================================================ | | 666) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 1:55:04 pm | | Eric> | Guys, Just did Coollist test....it works for me! Maybe only | broken for Bastiaan. | | ============================================================================ | | 667) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 1:58:04 pm | | Eric> | Ray, That's what I like to see.....a positive attitude! | Keep on truckin'. | | | ============================================================================ | | 668) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 3:27:59 pm | | glennmcc> | Nope... Arachne will not do the HTTPS:// | | So.... you go to the 'front page' at your CU while in Arachne, | Hit F2 to open that front page in Lynx, | now choose the sign-in link while in Lynx. | | ============================================================================ | | 669) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 3:33:22 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | Bastiaan _always_ gets bounced emails from bot coollist and freelists | becuase he foprgets that he has to send the messages from the same | account that is subscribed to the mailing lists. | | When he uses the correct account to send them .... they get through | just fine every time. | | | ============================================================================ Š| | 670) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 3:33:55 pm | | glennmcc> | BRB | | | ============================================================================ | | 671) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 3:39:11 pm | | glennmcc> | Just now sent to arachne4dos@coollist.com | via my email account at sbcglobal.net | | ________ | Testing a message sent from my SBC DSL account instead of from CisNet | (unless I miss my guess.... this will bounce back at me) | | _________ | | ============================================================================ | | 672) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 3:44:31 pm | | glennmcc> | Now that is strange. | | It did not bounce back. | | Coollist accepted it and sent it out to everyone. | (including glennmcc1959@sbcglobal.net which is not subscribed) | | | ============================================================================ | | 673) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 3:47:30 pm | | glennmcc> | Excuse me... I mis-spoke. | | It went to glennmcc@cisnet.com | | | ============================================================================ | | 674) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 3:50:34 pm | | glennmcc> | Now trying the same test through freelists. | | ============================================================================ | | 675) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 4:18:55 pm | Š| glennmcc> | Just checked my Coollist archive. | | All 271 messages from Bastiaan came from this address | | bastiaan.pa3ffz at hetnet.nl | | ============================================================================ | | 676) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 4:28:54 pm | | ray> | Eric, what was that comment about? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 677) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 4:46:08 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | so how do I get rid of that garbage? I want to upload some test | files and I'd like to have a clean site up there. | | | ============================================================================ | | 678) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 4:47:12 pm | | ray> | BTW, I had a crash acessing one of the tripod pages, but since it | ended with '.jsp' I'm figuring that's a JS page so it can't be | expected to work. | | | ============================================================================ | | 679) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 4:57:42 pm | | glennmcc> | Which 'garbage' do you want rid of ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 680) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 5:05:19 pm | | ray> | All that stuff, it was just grabbed at random. From now on I'll | send files named 'junk' so it will be a bit more self explanatory ;-) | | So I take it I can't delete files? From what I understand, that's not | uncommon since I'm not the owner. IINM, those '-hx-r-rxex' roughly Š| speaking lines on ftp sites control who can do what -- I have | no clue. | | | ============================================================================ | | 681) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 5:07:08 pm | | ray> | I'd like to use that site, but there's no way I'm going to be bugging | you to maintain it every time I have something to add or remove. | | | ============================================================================ | | 682) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 5:10:49 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | ftp://rayandrews0@ftp.tripod.com:21/ | | Garbage collection done...... | | Does that look better ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 683) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 5:12:31 pm | | glennmcc> | And yes... you _can_ delete that stuff yourself. | | Anyone with the username/password has 'full access' to do anything at-all. | | ============================================================================ | | 684) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 5:15:04 pm | | glennmcc> | ftp.exe ftp.tripod.com | | When prompted... enter the username | When prompted... enter the password | | dir | | | del junk | y | | del junk2 | y | | quit Š| | | | ============================================================================ | | 685) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 5:21:23 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Re: #676.........#667 was mostly in response to #665. | But I think you're sharp enough to figure that out, eh? | | | ============================================================================ | | 686) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 5:37:27 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, The messages Bastiaan sent thru the Freelist were | from hetnet......but .....I agree w/you that he probably sent | from the wrong address. Since he snipped the daemon message | what address he sent from is not shown. | | ============================================================================ | | 687) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:02:55 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | thanks for the cleanup, I'll try it now. | | Eric, | | So you thought I was out of line saying I think we should all be on | one list? | | | ============================================================================ | | 688) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:10:39 pm | | ray> | Waitaminute, Glenn, that is a command line thing? I don't have a | DOS ftp client :-( | | ... why don't we build one in to Arachne? I think I can see how | it could be done quite easily. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 689) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:13:16 pm | | Eric> Š| Ray, Read the post #667 again.....I didn't say that! | Then......read your post #665 again...only, assume someone else | wrote it.....Does it make you beam with positive feelings?` | | ============================================================================ | | 690) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:20:48 pm | | glennmcc> | Don't have DOS ftp client ??? | | BRB | | ============================================================================ | | 691) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:22:00 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/apm/telnet.apm | | There..... now you've got one. | | | ============================================================================ | | 692) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:22:01 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | It doesn't give my any feeling at all. I just think we should all be | on one list and since the coollist is the less reliable of the two | it seems to me that the other list is the survivor. This is | probably a classic autism moment -- there is probably some | assumed emotional content in my remark that is not only unintended, | but even incomprehensible to me. In my family, we joke about those | things by calling them 'juju's' those are when I break some | social rule without even knowing it, let alone intending it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 693) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:23:09 pm | | glennmcc> | UNARJ (for Arachne packages) 2.411 Copyright (c) 1991-93 Robert K Jung | | Processing archive: \ARACHNE\CACHE\42392990.APM | Archive created: 1998-03-18 11:05:30 | Filename Original Compressed Ratio DateTime modified CRC-32 AttrBTPM | ------------ ---------- ---------- ----- ----------------- -------- -------- | TELNET.EXE 208160 90261 0.434 94-12-19 21:12:36 1AC2DBFE A--W B 1 | APM.ID 883 478 0.541 98-04-24 08:30:44 AE7070EA A--W B 1 | CONFIG.TEL 737 372 0.505 98-03-04 22:52:44 ED3714DD A--W B 1 Š| FTP.EXE 131696 67037 0.509 94-12-19 21:09:30 40F4EB23 A--W B 1 | TELNET.OOK 21 21 1.000 98-04-21 20:34:32 44B36626 A--W B+0 | FTP.OOK 551 226 0.410 98-04-22 03:36:08 80C2DE96 A--W B+1 | ------------ ---------- ---------- ----- ----------------- | 6 files 342048 158395 0.463 98-03-18 11:05:30 | ____________________________________________________________________________ | | ============================================================================ | | 694) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:23:54 pm | | ray> | Ah! I always kinda wondered what telnet was for but never loaded it. | So it's just an ftp client? No not 'just' it would be our very own | Arachne-family ftp client :-) Let me just grab it. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 695) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:26:51 pm | | ray> | Ewww, it gave me a nasty screen to the effect that I shouldn't trust | you . Seriously, is that just because it isn't on the list | of approved sites or some such? Seems to me I saw such a list once, | or some code or something. | | | ============================================================================ | | 696) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:27:30 pm | | glennmcc> | telnet.apm == both telnet _and_ ftp in the same APM | | ============================================================================ | | 697) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:30:43 pm | | glennmcc> | Time, after time, after time... both Eric and Gregy have uged you to do | a 'complete install' of v1.89 | | If you would somply follow that advice then you would have the current | security.cfg in your arachne_main dir. | | --- security.cfg ---- | ; List of trusted URLs: APM.EXE -uXXX or -vXXX will search this list. | ; Valid for Arachne packages (file/.apm, application/x-arachne-package) | ; and for NetDOS executables (application/x-netdos-exe,-com, or -bat) | ; | ; Trusted URL must start with one of strings listed here. | ; Don't be afraid, tag can't be used to hack this ;-) | ; Š| file: | http://browser.arachne.cz/apm/ | http://home.arachne.cz/apm/ | http://home.arachne.cz/netdos/ | http://www.multimediaware.com/qv/ | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/apm/ | ; | _______________________________________________________________________ | | | ============================================================================ | | 698) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:32:34 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Are there directions somewhere for using the FTP in | the TELNET.APM ? | | ============================================================================ | | 699) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:34:57 pm | | ray> | No problemo, I'm just running an earlier install right now. I added | the needed info manualy and it's fine. | | ============================================================================ | ============================================================================ | | 700) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:38:55 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Yep......... ftp://ftp.Clarkson.edu:21/pub/cutcp/readme | | ============================================================================ | | 701) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:39:23 pm | | ray> | For reasons which you have no reason to be familiar with, I don't | upgrade 'on time' nor every time, I routinely skip upgrades and do | every other one. Briefly, the reason is that I have so many | customized tests, benchmarks and tools that are dependant on the | core and directory that I'm using as my benchmark, that upgrading is | a very big chore. I have 189 of course, but I won't change my | standard environment until 190 or 191. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 702) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:40:53 pm | | glennmcc> Š| Sheesh...... Ray, | | After me ribbin' ya like that ... you're sposta' fight back. | | ============================================================================ | | 703) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:42:08 pm | | glennmcc> | So... the 'bench mark' you are using is 1.87 ? | | ============================================================================ | | 704) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:45:03 pm | | glennmcc> | If so.... best switch to 1.89 pretty quick or you'll never be | 'benchmarking' against my final release using the original code-line. | | Because we are switching to Joe's code-line effective with v1.90lGPL,J | | | ============================================================================ | | 705) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:45:47 pm | | ray> | Na, that's OK, it frustrates me a bit too, I've even thought of | creating some monstrous global environment updater that would, | most importantly, update my batchfiles to refer to whatever | install is the 'standard' at the time. Switching just cores is | easy and I do it constantly, but the whole shebang is more trouble. | | BTW, have I ever mentioned how very much I like the way .apm's install? | It's so direct, so informative, so lacking in BS, so un windowslike, | so well thought out. Did I mention that I like it? | | | ============================================================================ | | 706) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:45:55 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Your one stubborn Canuck SOB.....You don't have to | upgrade.....We like it when you don't.....We like to see you | struggle.....It's almost as good as Monty Python ! | | ============================================================================ | | 707) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:46:25 pm | | glennmcc> | And according to Joe's time-table.... | | v1.90;GPL,J will be ready to go in less than a week. Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 708) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:48:38 pm | | glennmcc> | So, Ray, | | You've never mentioned one way or the other.... | | Do you like how APMs work ???? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 709) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:48:48 pm | | ray> | Yeah, I'll probably stay with 187 till that happens. | | G'nite all. | | | ============================================================================ | | 710) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 8:57:27 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I tried that link.....no diections.....just upgrade | lists as I read it....I need some serious info on FTP..... | I never was able to get it to work reliably....I used to try | when I was on the GDFN....I always figured it was a bug with | the GDFN. I always had to use other protocol options to put | things on my web page. | | | ============================================================================ | | 711) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 9:01:52 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | This a liitle better | | http://support.grandecom.net/?p=ftp-dos | | ============================================================================ | | 712) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 9:04:22 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | And much, much more..... Š| | http://opcenter.cites.uiuc.edu/nas/nash/apps/ftp.html | | | ============================================================================ | | 713) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 9:06:51 pm | | Eric> | Ray, You should do what I sometimes do.....just give the new | installation version the name of the old version then it gets | installed just like the older version was with the same batch | files. Of course then one tends to forget what version is | really running....that's one reason the version number should | always be boldly displayed at the top of the page. | | | ============================================================================ | | 714) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 9:07:28 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | And more.... http://opcenter.cites.uiuc.edu/nas/nash/main.html | | And more.... http://opcenter.cites.uiuc.edu/nas/nash/apps.html | | ============================================================================ | | 715) Tue, Mar 14, 2006 - 9:12:15 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Thanx.....those look like good sources. It seems | I always had trouble with the log on process but it's been so | long ago I've forgot the specifics. | | ============================================================================ | | 716) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 2:33:52 pm | | glennmcc> | Lookie, lookie | | My site stats | (number of hits to each page) | | ar189 6144 (since Nov 27, 2005) | | | ============================================================================ | | 717) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 2:34:14 pm | URL | | glennmcc> Š| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/sitestat.php | | ============================================================================ | | 718) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 4:00:50 pm | | glennmcc> | nov 27 - dec 27 = 30 | dec 27 - jan 27 = 31 | jan 27 - feb 27 = 31 | feb 27 - mar 15 = 16 | 108 | | 6144 / 108 = 56.9 per day | | ============================================================================ | | 719) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 4:06:38 pm | | glennmcc> | #1 in total hits | | 1) ar189 6144 (since Nov 27, 2005) -- 6144 / 108 == 56.9 per day | 2) ar175 5793 (Mar 20, 2004 to Oct 01, 2004) -- 5793 / 181 == 32.0 per day | 3) ar183 5417 (Mar 06, 2005 to Jul 27, 2005) -- 5417 / 143 == 37.9 per day | 4) ar185 3334 (Jul 27, 2005 to Oct 30, 2005) -- 3334 / 96 == 34.8 per day | 5) ar177 2729 (Jun 26, 2004 to Dec 09, 2004) -- 2729 / 165 == 16.5 per day | 6) ar179 2472 (Dec 25, 2004 to Feb 16, 2005) -- 2472 / 47 == 52.6 per day | 7) ar181 1605 (Feb 16, 2005 to Mar 06, 2005) -- 1605 / 18 == 89.2 per day | 8) ar187 1345 (Oct 30, 2005 to Nov 20, 2005) -- 1345 / 21 == 64.4 per day | | #3 in hits per day | | 1) ar181 1605 (Feb 16, 2005 to Mar 06, 2005) -- 1605 / 18 == 89.2 per day | 2) ar187 1345 (Oct 30, 2005 to Nov 20, 2005) -- 1345 / 21 == 64.4 per day | 3) ar189 6144 (since Nov 27, 2005) -- 6144 / 108 == 56.9 per day | 4) ar179 2472 (Dec 25, 2004 to Feb 16, 2005) -- 2472 / 47 == 52.6 per day | 5) ar183 5417 (Mar 06, 2005 to Jul 27, 2005) -- 5417 / 143 == 37.9 per day | 6) ar185 3334 (Jul 27, 2005 to Oct 30, 2005) -- 3334 / 96 == 34.8 per day | 7) ar175 5793 (Mar 20, 2004 to Oct 01, 2004) -- 5793 / 181 == 32.0 per day | 8) ar177 2729 (Jun 26, 2004 to Dec 09, 2004) -- 2729 / 165 == 16.5 per day | | | ============================================================================ | | 720) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 4:20:39 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | RE 713. Get behind me Satan < ggg >. Seriously, that sort of thing | can get one into big trouble, but it is tempting. I have a similar | way of doing it that's a bit safer but that only is practical when | changes aren't too frequent, and that is to mirror, say '\189\' | to '\working\' and then have all my files refer to 'working' Š| permanently. I run my sources that way, but because sources and | arachne instalations share the same directories here, I can't use | that system for both builds and installs. | | Glenn, | | Get hold of these people! There's got to be a developer or two or | a dozen in that mob of people. Sheesh, with a few more workers | think what we could achieve. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 721) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 4:27:20 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | If you look over those docs, would you please recomend one for me? | I'd like to read up on this. I just tried the ftp.exe in that .apm | and shucks, it's about as simple and functional as it could | possibly be, now I want to know all the commands. | | | ============================================================================ | | 722) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 4:29:57 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | The ftp.c code seems to refer to both upload and download | function, but as far as I can see, all we can do is upload, is that | correct? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 723) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 4:37:22 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | ftp://rayandrews0@ftp.tripod.com/ | (enter the password when prompted) | | Now... did you not just _download_ the dir listing ???? | | ============================================================================ | | 724) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 4:39:25 pm | | glennmcc> | As to the commands for FTP Š| | ftp.exe | | help | | help ls | | ============================================================================ | | 725) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 4:50:57 pm | | ray> | Ah, right, looking at my log from a download I see 'RETR', of course | it's not that obvious where the active code is, since there is | no overt connection between the 'ftp' box on the F2 page and what | happens when you view a page or click on a file. But I see now | it's all the same active code. | | Can ftp.exe upload? I expect it can. | | Fabulous stuff! I've tried to get on board with FTP before and | always failed, can't remember why, but this time it's 'clicked' | and it's everything a dos program should be, no bullshit, just | get the job done. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 726) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 4:52:46 pm | | ray> | I'm in command line heaven O:-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 727) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 4:54:33 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep... ftp.exe is a full-feature ftp client | | it can do... uploads, downloads, makes directories, removes directories, | change the permissions on files/direcories | | ============================================================================ | | 728) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 4:57:17 pm | | glennmcc> | oh yeah and... | | rename files, delete files | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 729) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 4:58:37 pm | | ray> | This is why I love dos. Power at your finger tips, no clicking on | nested menus trying to find something. Bite the bullet, learn the | CLI syntax and get the job done with a few keystrokes. Never mind | building this in to Arachne, why bother? | | BTW, I have finaly figured out that the 'path' box in the F2 page | is the *target* name of the file, not the source name, however that | could be made much clearer. Instead of 'path' I'd recomend | "target path/name" or something like that. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 730) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 5:00:52 pm | | ray> | Now, back to butchering ftp.c | | ============================================================================ | | 731) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 5:01:46 pm | | glennmcc> | ren mila_01.jpg mila_jovovich.jpg | | | ============================================================================ | | 732) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 5:06:27 pm | | glennmcc> | Something like this ? | | | ________________________________________________________ | | Upload current file using FTP | FTP server: | Username:|________________| Password: |________________| | Target Path/Filename: | X use binary mode | Upload File | | ________________________________________________________ | | ============================================================================ | | 733) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 5:24:39 pm | | ray> Š| Yeah, but let's get some other opinions about this, maybe it's | quite obvious what's happening to others. Maybe | "Target Path & Filename" ? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 734) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 5:28:59 pm | | glennmcc> | Nope.... that would confuse 'em.... they'd end-up doing this | | Target Path & Filename: dirname & filename | | instead of the correct info of.... | | Target Path/Filename: dirname/filename | | | | ============================================================================ | | 735) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 5:33:22 pm | | glennmcc> | Upload current file using FTP | | FTP server: |__________________________________________| | ( ftp.somewhere.com , www.myserver.net) | | Username:|________________| Password: |________________| | | Target Path/Filename: |________________________________| | ( /thisfile.htm /my-stuff/myfile.jpg ) | | X use binary mode | Upload File | | (binary is recommended) | | ============================================================================ | | 736) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 5:43:11 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Sorry....I've no immediate use for FTP so I'll not be checking | out info for a while. Sounds like your doing alright, tho. | | ============================================================================ | | 737) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 5:48:29 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, As a noviciate, I still am not sure what to put in | your blanks for FTP. | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 738) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 7:04:17 pm | | glennmcc> | Upload current file using FTP | | FTP server: |ftp.newbieville.net_______________________| | ( ftp.somewhere.com , www.myserver.net) | | Username:|newbie__________| Password: |novice__________| | | Target Path/Filename: |/directory name on server/name to give to file on ser | ( /thisfile.htm /my-stuff/myfile.jpg ) | | X use binary mode | Upload File | | (leave checked, NEVER un-check) | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 739) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 7:33:33 pm | | ray> | That's a big improvement. If you ask me, it's windozey to splash | a box on the screen with almost no information. Why not use the | space available to give as much help as can comfortably be shown? | Or at least the very basic information to explain the boxes. | The very small bit of help you give above could make all the difference, | to lots of folks, as it would have to me. | | | ============================================================================ | | 740) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 8:18:44 pm | | glennmcc> | I didn't ask you. | | | ============================================================================ | | 741) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 9:47:04 pm | | Eric> | Re: FTP | | 1st blank: enter: ftp.somewhere.com (address where I'm allowed to FTP) | 2nd blank: enter: my user name (anonymous if anonymous allowed) | 3rd blank: enter: my password (what if anonymous allowed) | 4th blank: enter: Where_the_file_should_go/the_file_name | 5th blank: enter: The_name_of_the_file_I'm_uploading_w/path Š| | Click on upload file | | Do I have it right? | | ============================================================================ | | 742) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 10:45:13 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I'm about as far from an expert as you can get, but I used: | | ftp.exe ftp.somewhere.com | | ... username | ... password | | | ============================================================================ | | 743) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 11:03:03 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | I notice that 'ftp://rayandrews:mypassword@ftp.tripod.com' | | shows me a listing that is updated automagicaly, unlike the | http site, where, as you said before, it aint. Why the difference? | In any case, it just makes me love FTP that much more -- less | bun, more beef. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 744) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 11:04:36 pm | | ray> | oppps, should be 'rayandrews0' of course. | | Hey Eric, want to practice using 'my' site? I'll send you the | password if you want. | | | ============================================================================ | | 745) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 11:06:16 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | Š| Looking at your changes to the page above, if binary is to be | 'always checked' why make it an option? why not just have than | enabled all the time? | | | ============================================================================ | | 746) Wed, Mar 15, 2006 - 11:33:57 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Thanks for the offer, but I really have more pressing matters | to deal with at the moment. Maybe at some later date. | | | ============================================================================ | | 747) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 1:01:47 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Ok, whenever, this ftp stuff is great. | | | ============================================================================ | | 748) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 1:05:20 pm | | ray> | Good news, Vladimir is back. Eric, this means that I've got him | as my 'first into the breach' tester again, so between you and him, | I can rest assured that my bugs will be caught pronto. That's | very nice, because the damage and trouble caused by bugs is | invercely proportional to how soon they are caught. | | | ============================================================================ | | 749) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 3:30:55 pm | | glennmcc> | For uploading of CGI scripts and .htpasswd and .htaccess files, we must | use ASCII mode. | | In those few cases, we un-check the binary mode box. | | | ============================================================================ | | 750) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 3:41:25 pm | | ray> | Right, IIRC you have mentioned that before. | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 751) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 3:41:41 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | re: post 741 | | Close... very close..... but, there are only 4 'blanks'. | | server, username, password, path/filename | | ============================================================================ | | 752) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 3:42:02 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Did you see my query on the a4dos list concerning | Sam E's failure to receive my postings to the list? When you | come across it could you send it back to the list like you did | my "test" email so maybe Sam E. will see it? Thanx | | | ============================================================================ | | 753) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 3:46:06 pm | | Eric> | glenmcc, Is server the address where you want to send your file? | | Are path/filename the path/filename on the computer your sending | from or the computer(server) your sending to? | | ============================================================================ | | 754) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 3:48:51 pm | | ray> | Glenn, possible bug, it could be due to something I've done, | tho I don't think so: | | In ftp.c: | | if(uploadfile) | strcpy(cache->locname, "FTP.LOG"); | else | { | ptr = strchr(cache->rawname, '.'); <<<< 'rawname' not 'locname' !! | if(ptr) | { | strcpy(&ptr[1], "FTP"); | strcpy(cache->locname, cache->rawname); | } | } Š| | // printf("cache is: %s", cache->locname); getch(); | cache->handle = open(cache->locname, oBINARY oCREAT oTRUNC oWRONLY, IREADW | if(cache->handle == -1) | goto quit; | | Activate the printf line, and you will see that without the fix, | the actual location of the cache file can be pretty bizzare. | | | ============================================================================ | | 755) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 3:53:55 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, One must have to provide the path/name of both the | file one is sending and the path/name where one wants the file | to end up? | | | ============================================================================ | | 756) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 4:00:34 pm | | glennmcc> | Nope.... only the 'Target path/filename' get entered. | | The file you are sending is the file you were viewing when you pressed F2 | | ============================================================================ | | 757) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 4:02:35 pm | | glennmcc> | Votes please........ | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/saveas_1.gif | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/saveas_2.gif | | | ============================================================================ | | 758) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 4:04:04 pm | | glennmcc> | Sam does not get your emails because he put a 'blocker' on anything | from you. | | They go directly into the bit bucket. | | | ============================================================================ | | 759) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 4:06:00 pm | Š| Eric> | glennmcc, What if the file isn't viewable? | | ============================================================================ | | 760) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 4:11:25 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Why would he do that? If that's so.....then all the | more reason for you to see that he gets it! I have no idea why | he would do such a thing....I can't remember any conflicts with | him....all I can ever remember is trying to send him some help | occasionally. | | ============================================================================ | | 761) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 4:13:48 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | The instant you link to an unviewable file... this page pops-up | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/unvwbl.gif | | | ============================================================================ | | 762) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 4:14:24 pm | | glennmcc> | Ther you go... enter that same info and upload it.... no F2 key needed. | | ============================================================================ | | 763) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 4:22:16 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Is the filename in the send FTP panel the destination | file name? ......if so, shouldn't it say that? | | ============================================================================ | | 764) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 4:33:00 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Why not say: "Use binary mode except for: cgi scripts, xxx, | xxx, xxx" | | I think the path/name of the file being sent should also be | shown....or....is that viewable in the URL box at the top of the page? | | | ============================================================================ | | 765) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 4:50:44 pm Š| | Eric> | glennmcc, Why do we use the name "Target path/file" ? | Are we shooting at something that's moving and we might miss it? | After all, I don't think any of us are vice-presidential canidates ! | Destination implies to me that it is probably going to get | there! | | ============================================================================ | | 766) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 4:55:16 pm | | glennmcc> | re:" Is the filename in the send FTP panel the destination | file name? ......if so, shouldn't it say that?" | | It _does_ say so in our newly modfied saveas.ah | | And you're right ... "destination" is better than "target" | | BRB | | ============================================================================ | | 767) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 4:58:24 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, My appologies, I looked at your sample GIFs after I sent | that.....I had to enter them by hand since no blue URL. | | | ============================================================================ | | 768) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:02:42 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Better ? | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/saveas_3.gif | | ============================================================================ | | 769) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:08:29 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | And now exactly the same on copy.ah | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/copy-ah_1.gif | | | ============================================================================ | | 770) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:10:24 pm Š| | Eric> | glennmcc, Better! Since I went to U. of Mich. ......Go Blue! | | | | ============================================================================ | | 771) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:11:50 pm | | glennmcc> | So, what do you guys think ? | | Have we reached perfection with saveas_3.gif and copy-ah_1.gif ? | | ============================================================================ | | 772) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:14:58 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Here are both of them in a ZIP for to try-out. | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/new_ftp.zip | | ============================================================================ | | 773) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:15:06 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, How come your server is: www.cisnet.com instead | of: ftp.cisnet.com | | | ============================================================================ | | 774) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:23:10 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | What do you guys think of this ? | | At CAV's request... I have re-enabled the option 'SmallIcons Yes/No' | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/smicn_no.gif | | ============================================================================ | | 775) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:24:13 pm | | glennmcc> | Why 'www' instead of 'ftp' ??? | | Because CisNet wants it that way. | Š| ============================================================================ | | 776) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:28:54 pm | | glennmcc> | All 3 of these work.... | | ftp://www.cisnet.com/ | ftp://ftp.cisnet.com/ | ftp://cisnet.com/ | | | ============================================================================ | | 777) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:29:37 pm | | glennmcc> | Both of these work.... | | http://www.cisnet.com/ | http://cisnet.com/ | | ============================================================================ | | 778) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:30:40 pm | | glennmcc> | They have all 5 of those domain names registered | | ============================================================================ | | 779) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:32:32 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Please reply to my post #764 | Why "recommend" just make it less verbose...."Use binary" ! | except.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 780) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:33:20 pm | | glennmcc> | BBL | | Got my email notification that the F-Prot definitions have been updated | (for the 6th time this week) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 781) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:34:52 pm | Š| Eric> | glennmcc, Looks like Cisnet has things well covered. | | ============================================================================ | | 782) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:35:41 pm | | glennmcc> | OK, I'm back | | | ============================================================================ | | 783) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:36:35 pm | | glennmcc> | Gawd... I _LOVE_ this DSL connection. :)) | | That F-Prot update precedure used to take 15 to 20 min on dial-up. | | ============================================================================ | | 784) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:38:29 pm | | glennmcc> | re: Why "recommend" ..... | | Because "Use binary" ! is just too damned PUSHY !!!! | | ============================================================================ | | 785) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:41:59 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, My NAV just expired today.....is F-Prot free? | | I have NAV running, under DOS in my W$98 machine right now. | It's been running for 4 1/2 hours right now and still going! | | | ============================================================================ | | 786) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:44:35 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I don't know......maybe "recommend" is just too | wishy-washy! | | ============================================================================ | | 787) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 5:53:11 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, My HDD running NAV sounds like an outboard motor on | trolling speed and about ready to give up the ghost cause the Š| plugs are fouled! | | ============================================================================ | | 788) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:07:15 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | F-Prot for DOS is 100% free for home use. | | http://files.f-prot.com/files/dos/f-prot.zip | | | ============================================================================ | | 789) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:13:35 pm | | gregy> | guys...et al....I got sorta wildly enthusiastic about installing/using | that LYNX2851 that you saw Glenn walk me thru the install, etc.. | ...now...I recommend it...but (youknewthiswascoming)....but...please | do NOT go grab it and install it...for a couple days, at least. I am | assembling/writing a GdeNewU package, and I want you guys to test the | procedure from scratch, so...hold off on installing/using that LYNX | for a couple days....I should have the DO-THIS.pkg package ready | for you to download by early next week..... | | ============================================================================ | | 790) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:15:45 pm | | gregy> | Eric....hmmm...could we say that "recommend" is less-mzro$lothish than | "'Just DO it' (or, worse, we won't even tell you we're doing it)" ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 791) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:20:20 pm | | ray> | Progress on those pages Glenn, I'm not inclined to quibble. | 'Destination' is probably better than 'target' althought the words | 'source' and 'target' are ubiquitous in this sort of situation. | | No comment on the 'fix' above? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 792) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:20:32 pm | | glennmcc> | "recommend" == wishy-washy ??? Š| | Well then, take your pick from these possibilities..... | | | | Related Words admonish, caution, warn; brief, clue | (in), fill in, inform, wise (up); coach, direct, lead, | guide, instruct, mentor, teach, tutor; acquaint, | apprise, familiarize; convince, encourage, induce, | persuade, talk (into); beg, exhort, implore, prevail | (upon), urge; propose, advise, suggest | | ============================================================================ | | 793) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:23:25 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | As to your 'fix' in ftp.c | | I have no idea what you have done in there. | | So I shall refrain from commenting and just let you and your | 'beta testers' figure it out. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 794) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:24:45 pm | | ray> | BTW, speaking of page styles, I've often vaguely thought a more | tabular layout on many pages would look good: | | | username [ the input field ] | password [ the input field ] | destination [ the input field ] | etc. | etc. | | The idea is that any given input box would be more vertical than | horizontal. It would save space and I'd say line things up better. | Also, using the cursor movement keys would be a bit less trouble, | I'd say -- that's if Eric agrees. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 795) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:27:36 pm | | ray> Š| Glenn, | | Just put a testing 'printf' in there and you'll see what I mean, | It looks to me like if there's a file downloaded it can be | cached almost anywhere, including in the \system\gui\ directory. | AFAICT my fix makes sure the file is stored in the cache dir where | it belongs. | | | ============================================================================ | | 796) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:28:18 pm | | glennmcc> | OK, went ahead and had anopther look and now I _will_ comment. | | if(uploadfile) | strcpy(cache->locname, "FTP.LOG"); | //the line above is used during uploads | | else | { | ptr = strchr(cache->locname, '.'); | // this line gets used during downloads | | | ============================================================================ | | 797) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:30:42 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...774...SmallIkons..??? hmmmm...can't remember what they look | like.......but...if Clarence wants 'em....you'll surely wanna | reactivate that option.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 798) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:33:30 pm | | glennmcc> | if(uploadfile) | strcpy(cache->locname,"FTP.LOG"); | else | { | ptr=strchr(cache->locname,'.'); | if(ptr) | { | strcpy(&ptr[1],"FTP"); | strcpy(cache->rawname,cache->locname); | printf("cache is: %s", cache->locname); getch(); | // try putting the printf here instead | } | } Š| | ============================================================================ | | 799) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:37:54 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...yes...your new COPY/SAVEAS .AH pages are "good to fly"....that's | just IMNSHO..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 800) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:44:48 pm | | gregy> | Ray...re ...your discussion with Glenn and Eric about upgrading, and | stashing versions.... | ... | I think you're making it harder than it needs to be... | ... | ..name the directories, off your "root" directory, by the version | number...e.g..\185\..\189\..\etc\....THEN, inside that directory, make | the FIRST subdir the same ...e.g. \185\185\...then...\185\arachne\... | ...\185\utils\...\185\etc\.... | ...then...have one "DIRECTORY NAME" that you ALWAYS use for the version | you're using/working-on....e.g. \COMPILE\..... | ...then...just use the "R(REName)" DOS command to swap names on your | directories (you can even automate this with a .BAT file)..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 801) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:44:49 pm | | glennmcc> | if(uploadfile) | strcpy(cache->locname,"FTP.LOG"); | else | { | ptr=strchr(cache->locname,'.'); | if(ptr) | { | strcpy(&ptr[1],"FTP"); | strcpy(cache->rawname,cache->locname); | sprintf(str,"cache is: %s", cache->locname); | outs(str); | getch(); | } | } | | ============================================================================ | | 802) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:45:48 pm | URL Š| | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/cache-is.gif | | ============================================================================ | | 803) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:47:11 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...the reason that that SAVEAS.AH link to DOSLynx is "commented" | in the "Lite" version is because.....???....does it go into some endless | loop, if you don't have it installed, or sumpin...??? | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 804) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:47:17 pm | | glennmcc> | Better ???? | | ============================================================================ | | 805) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:49:27 pm | | glennmcc> | Gregy, | | Nope... no loop... just get the DOS error message 'command or filename not f | and then right back into Arachne. | | ============================================================================ | | 806) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:51:19 pm | | gregy> | Ray....coollist/freelist...onelist....some of us will NEVER subscribe | to another list that archives its messages, unless it's one on Yahoo. | ... | Why...??? Because I'm still dealing with spam coming from AddrBots | that have harvested my (usta be) main email address from Arachne@cz... | (the original A-List)....don't ask me how I know this...I DO know it | ...and I refuse to put my email out there again.... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 807) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:52:21 pm | | glennmcc> | And on faster machines like this P4-1.7ghz it happens so fast that you Š| don't even see the DOS error message. | | So the screen goes black for an instant and you're right back into | Arachne wondering.... "What the hell was that ????" | | | | ============================================================================ | | 808) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:53:24 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...okay...I see...I'll try to put something in the DO-THIS.PKG to | smooth that out....so that we can uncomment that link for the general | distro....or somesuch..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 809) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:53:37 pm | | glennmcc> | FYI, | Freelists does not show _any_ email addresses... not even its own. | | BRB | | | ============================================================================ | | 810) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:55:07 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | * From: "Bastiaan T. Edelman" | * To: arachne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | >> On 14 Mar 2006 00:02:23 -0000, MAILER-DAEMON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | >>> : | | ============================================================================ | | 811) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:55:32 pm | | gregy> | Hey...that "flash-the-bash" happens on this little P133...don't need a | GigaBox for that..... | ... | BTW...I'm really wildly enthusiastic about this LYNX-thingee...just | gotta get some more experience with it to make its operation smoother | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 812) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:57:03 pm Š| | ray> | Glenn, | | I'm not reading you above, with that printf and while downloading, | are you sure your cache file is infact in the cache, not somewhere | else? the history list won't care. | I found it created the name by taking the previous 'locname' of the | last loaded page, truncating it and adding 'ftp'. 'rawname' seems | to point to the cache dir by defult every time. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 813) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:58:12 pm | | glennmcc> | As to Lynx | | Someday, we can make an APM that will include a fresh copy of saveas.ah | with that section already un-commented | | ============================================================================ | | 814) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 6:58:23 pm | | gregy> | hmmmmm...that's interesting....I'll hafta check into that "show no | addresses" thing....if that's the ACTUAL case...and that NO Bot can ever | harvest eaddys...then...freelist might be a safe list to use, also... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 815) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:00:45 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...re: lynx.apm...yes...that's what I'm ultimately headed toward.. | ...but..I just wanna collect it all together, now and put it in a small | package for NewUs and get it a tiny-bit tested.... | ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 816) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:01:55 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | Just now cleared my cache and grabbed mail.htm via ftp again. Š| | Alt+E | | tree *.ftp | | --- result --- | --a--- 2,528 3-16-06 8:59p l:\arachne\cache\42560774.ftp | total files 1 total bytes 2,528 disk free space 96,694,272 | ______________ | | | So... you tell me... is it in my cache ??? | | ============================================================================ | | 817) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:03:56 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | Renaming directories might be the big answer! Strange that's one | technique I almost never consider for some reason, can't think why -- | some trauma early in my computer experience? I'll think on that | it would obviate having to redo all my tools, tho my benchmarks would | have to be redone anyway. | | BTW, Glenn, you never answered me about why the 'ftp' page auto updates | where the 'html' page does not, but I think I've got it anyway -- | the former is a listing that wwwman can bite off and process, so it | takes the listing of the files and does it's own work, so no 'index' | is needed. Most cool. Viva FTP. | | Next question: how is it that the ftp listing is updated so | miraculously fast? I upload some junk, hit 'R' and it's there | as fast as I can do it. It seems that the file couldn't get there | that fast. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 818) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:05:28 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | That seems definative. Hmmm, I'd better do a test with your core and | see if I've busted something. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 819) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:05:32 pm | Š| glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/cache-is.gif | | | In this screen-cap.... | my last locname was file:c:\html\MYPAGES\hotlist1.htm | | ============================================================================ | | 820) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:07:33 pm | | glennmcc> | ftp listing == dir listing | | do a dir listing | | copy a new file into that dir | | do a new dir listing | | ============================================================================ | | 821) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:08:35 pm | | glennmcc> | Some HTTP sites _are_ setup to allow dir listings... some are not. | | CisNet is... Tripod is not. | | BRB | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 822) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:10:42 pm | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/ | http://rayandrews0.tripod.com/my-stuff/ | | ============================================================================ | | 823) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:12:24 pm | | glennmcc> | CisNet == | | Index of /glennmcc/my-stuff | | Tripod == | | Unavailable Tripod Directory | The Tripod site you are trying to reach does not have a recognized start pag Š| index.html). You have received this error page because Tripod does not allow | automatic listing of directory or subdirectory contents. | | Are You the Owner of this Tripod Site? | If you want your site (and its files) to be accessible to visitors, you must | index.html page or direct visitors to an alternate main page. | | ============================================================================ | | 824) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:18:17 pm | | gregy> | Ray...that was "just a thought".......for your info...I was always | overlooking it, and doing all kinds of unnecessary "xcopying" to my | "common directory"...until one day....SLAPPPPPPPP....!!!!! (caved my | forehead in, I did).....since then...it's all been easy as stink... | ... | Usually, I don't BATfile automate it, since my FileManager is real | easy to use for that....but...I've thought of it...and, if it became | useful...I'd put the dir-rename stuff in one of my "signature" | one-letter bat-files....with one-letter/number args...and...gooooooo!!! | .... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 825) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:18:52 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | Your test failed because all you were doing was this and in the wrong | place.... | | // printf("cache is: %s", cache->locname); getch(); | | | My test works because I did this, and in the right place... | | sprintf(str,"cache is: %s", cache->locname); | outs(str); | getch(); | | | ============================================================================ | | 826) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:20:47 pm | | gregy> | Ray..."listing updated so fast"....it isn't "so fast".. It doesn't | update until the upload is finished...THEN it updates.......and... | "fast" is what you've heard me describe FTP up/down load for a long | time....with a good server, it's about 4-5times faster than HTTP... | ... Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 827) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:21:01 pm | | glennmcc> | There is only one _right way_ to choose between different versions. | | Unzip the version of-chioce | | | Volume in drive E is MCCORKLE_03 | Directory of E:\ARACHNE | | !AR!NETW ZIP 1299907 10-31-01 2:15a | !AR110 ZIP 813010 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1203 ZIP 1168006 2-24-00 12:56p | !AR1205 ZIP 1080691 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1206 ZIP 1120644 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1207 ZIP 1072168 11-14-04 3:21p | !AR1209 ZIP 1117371 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR120P ZIP 1235297 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR120X ZIP 1121105 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1401 ZIP 1015966 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1402 ZIP 1110214 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1411 ZIP 918763 8-28-98 8:27p | !AR142 ZIP 983621 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1431 ZIP 969176 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1432 ZIP 984567 1-09-99 2:58p | !AR1441 ZIP 987057 1-22-99 1:24a | !AR1451 ZIP 1012569 1-24-99 7:04p | !AR1461 ZIP 990956 1-30-99 11:10p | !AR1471 ZIP 1020869 2-06-99 2:20a | !AR1481 ZIP 1010871 2-12-99 9:44p | !AR1482 ZIP 1017516 2-18-99 2:13a | !AR1483 ZIP 1022660 3-07-99 7:21p | !AR1491 ZIP 1063806 3-21-99 5:35p | !AR150A ZIP 1042300 5-08-99 8:21p | !AR150B1 ZIP 1062911 5-16-99 11:13p | !AR150B2 ZIP 1063492 7-04-99 10:51p | !AR150RC ZIP 1173984 11-14-04 3:22p | !AR160B1 ZIP 1284652 3-16-00 10:49p | !AR160B2 ZIP 1203028 3-17-00 7:47p | !AR160SR ZIP 1217662 3-21-00 12:33a | !AR161SN ZIP 38604 5-18-00 5:12p | !AR161SR ZIP 1233028 6-04-00 8:53p | !AR162 ZIP 1253211 1-14-01 11:08p | !AR164 ZIP 1270740 7-06-00 9:07p | !AR165 ZIP 1273195 1-21-01 6:59p | !AR166 ZIP 1285473 1-21-01 6:59p | !AR166E ZIP 6429 1-21-01 6:10p | !AR166E7 ZIP 1283382 1-21-01 7:00p | !AR167 ZIP 1292168 1-21-01 7:00p | !AR167E ZIP 6429 1-21-01 6:11p Š| !AR167E7 ZIP 1335370 1-21-01 7:00p | !AR168 ZIP 1282091 1-21-01 7:00p | !AR169 ZIP 1317653 11-02-01 7:18p | !AR170 ZIP 1309562 10-17-04 4:22p | !AR17070 ZIP 1299612 11-02-01 7:16p | !AR1707C ZIP 1294464 11-02-01 7:17p | !AR17080 ZIP 1294559 11-02-01 7:17p | !AR17082 ZIP 1294836 11-02-01 7:17p | !AR171 ZIP 1340095 12-28-02 7:22p | !AR171UE ZIP 1356698 10-17-04 4:26p | !AR173G1 ZIP 1387740 10-17-04 4:30p | !AR173UE ZIP 1382962 11-05-03 11:05p | !AR175G1 ZIP 1398799 5-13-04 10:57a | !AR175GJ ZIP 1432099 3-13-04 5:58p | !AR177 ZIP 1529231 11-05-04 9:01p | !AR179 ZIP 1530730 12-25-04 6:32a | !AR179ST ZIP 1713147 10-17-04 10:30p | !AR181 ZIP 1592107 2-16-05 9:15p | !AR183 ZIP 1616933 3-06-05 8:17p | !AR185 ZIP 1621054 8-10-05 10:59a | !AR187 ZIP 1634936 11-11-05 9:41p | !AR189 ZIP 1638281 11-29-05 7:07p | !AR190 ZIP 1647381 3-12-06 4:09p | !AR191 ZIP 1647579 3-15-06 7:12p | !ARNEWS ZIP 2217785 3-06-04 7:07p | A171CHNG ZIP 1235168 7-14-02 10:06p | 66 File(s) 50798592 bytes free | | | | ============================================================================ | | 828) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:22:30 pm | | glennmcc> | And _only_ unzip it to a RamDrive. | | ============================================================================ | | 829) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:23:08 pm | | glennmcc> | --- arr.bat --- | @echo off | if %cdrom%=="loaded" nwcache /u | IF direxist l:\temp\arachne.tmp exit | rem exit | :continue | IF "%ARA%"=="" GOTO ARANO | if "%1"=="" goto err | GOTO ARAYES | :ARANO | CD\1RECON | !ARA | :ARAYES Š| rem QDPMI OFF | C: | CD\ | rem lh MOUSE | CALL \EMSDSK\XMSDSK 100000 l: /c1 %4 | copy c:\command.com l:\ | IF NOT EXIST l:\command.com goto delmail | set comspec=l:\command.com | rem set trace=on | md l:\temp | set temp=l:\temp | IF NOT EXIST l:\ARACHNE\ARACHNE.BAT PKUNZIP -d e:\ARACHNE\!AR%1.ZIP l:\ | PKUNZIP -d -o e:\ARACHNE\MAIL\!AR!MDIR.ZIP c:\ | if "%1"=="mail" PKUNZIP -d -o E:\ARACHNE\MAIL\!AR!MAIL.ZIP c:\ | rem COPY g:\graphics\JPEG6B32\DJPEG.EXE l:\ARACHNE\DJPEG32.EXE | rem D: | rem CD\AUDIO\CNDMIDI | rem LH SBMIDI | rem SBSIM | rem CD\ | l: | CD \ARACHNE | rem md c:\arachne | rem md c:\arachne\mail | rem xcopy c:\arachne\mail\*.* l:\arachne\mail\ /s | IF EXIST PPP.LOG CALL ARACHNE.BAT -r %2 | IF NOT EXIST PPP.LOG CALL ARACHNE.BAT %2 | C: | :delmail | if not "%3"=="/y" goto confirm | del l:\arachne\!*.* | rem xdel /drsn c:\arachne\mail | goto xc | :confirm | ? del l:\arachne\!*.* | rem xdel /drs c:\arachne\mail | :xc | rem xcopy l:\arachne\mail\*.* c:\arachne\mail\ /s | rem D: | rem CD\AUDIO\CNDMIDI | rem SBSIM /u | rem SBMIDI /u | rem CD\ | C: | rem MOUSE /r | rem QDPMI ON | set comspec=c:\command.com | set temp=c:\temp | if %cdrom%=="loaded" c:\opendos\nwcache.exe 7670 1024 /lend=on /delay=on /mu | goto end | :err | echo To run !ar150b2.zip --- arrm 150b2(enter) | pause | dir e:\arachne\!ar*.zip /p | pause Š| :end | if not "%3"=="/n" call c:\1batch\scanmail.bat | if "%5"=="/killppp" call c:\1batch\killppp.bat | if not "%3"=="/n" goto scandone | men.bat | :scandone | | _______________ | | ============================================================================ | | 830) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:23:23 pm | | ray> | Shouldn't make a bean of difference if it's outs'ed or printf'd | should it? Anyway, for some blasted reason, I now can't connect | to the ftp site with your core. I quit, swap, and reload and it | gives me an error, swap back to my core and it's fine. dunno. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 831) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:23:56 pm | | gregy> | Oh, BTW, guys...I'm gonna archive this board after midnight, tonight... | ...It's over 800posts and we're only halfway thru the month..so...if | you wanna grab recent things now's the time....or....you can download | the archive file tomorrow.... | .. | And...yes....hi-line.net is like cisnet....they allow HTTP-directory | listings without an INDEX.HTML.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 832) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:26:36 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, you wrote: | Eric....hmmm...could we say that "recommend" is less-mzro$lothish than | "'Just DO it' (or, worse, we won't even tell you we're doing it)" ... | | IMO, that FTP panel is far from M$ish! It has the check box right | there out in the open for "binary". The option is immediately | changeable before sending.....I think "Use binary except...." | just indicates the preferred sending protocol and is less verbose. | It certainly doesn't say "Use binary or else we will hide half of | your HDD from your perusal". | | ============================================================================ | | 833) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:27:30 pm | Š| gregy> | Ray...yep...Glenn's style is also a very viable procedure for "version | unfogging"........but..I don't have a GigaBox with TeraDrives, | so I don't keep all that stuff on my drives.....but...if you've got all | the different versions in one place, an install, then zip-up and stash | ..then quick unzip on RAMdrive would be a very fast/easy way of doing | it, too.. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 834) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:27:59 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | I'm very much converted to ftp, no doubt, but still, the file has to | be sent and then recieved at the other end, no? That has to take time. | ... unless ... na, it can't be reading and updating the local | copy can't it? na, because I press 'R' so it hasta be getting it | back from the server. Hmmm, but that's almost instant so ... maybe the | small file is moved that fast too? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 835) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:28:53 pm | | ray> | And I thought my methods were complecated ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 836) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:31:24 pm | | gregy> | Eric....well...we're picking-at-nits, tonight.......but...I think | the current "Use Binary Mode" with the box default checked is the least | verbose display...especially since Glenn's added that parenthetical | comment just below it.... | ... | I'm fairly easy about this...as long as nothin' gets clipped.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 837) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:32:47 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | This is what happens with a printf ... Š| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/rayscode.gif | | | ============================================================================ | | 838) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:33:16 pm | | glennmcc> | The getch() stops it right there. | | ============================================================================ | | 839) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:33:40 pm | | Eric> | Shisssh, Go away for 1/2 hr. and I got to go back 64 posts | to catch up.....it's like being caught in a time warp! | | | ============================================================================ | | 840) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:34:00 pm | | gregy> | Ray....FTP..."small file gets moved that fast"....ef'n that thar fal | showes up on the listing...ya ken bet yer patootie thet it got thar... | ...... | meaning....no...no...no....you're right...it COULDn't be updating the | local dir.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 841) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:35:16 pm | | gregy> | Eric...no no no....not "time warp"....don't you recognize "crach the | whip" when you see it...???.....< g g g> | | | ============================================================================ | | 842) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:36:56 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | What's complicated about... | | arr 191 | | | ============================================================================ | | 843) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:37:53 pm Š| | glennmcc> | To update any particular ZIP with changed files.... | | arzipu 191 | | ============================================================================ | | 844) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:38:37 pm | | glennmcc> | to create a new ZIP with everything in a new install... | | arzip 192 | | ============================================================================ | | 845) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:39:01 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Re: #792 - Advised is good...but ....use is less verbose! | | | | ============================================================================ | | 846) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:39:28 pm | | glennmcc> | To update my mail archive... | | arzipm | | ============================================================================ | | 847) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:43:44 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | (you are encouraged to use binary mode for all uploads | except CGI scripts and other files of that nature) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 848) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:45:42 pm | | glennmcc> | (use use binary mode for all uploads except | CGI scripts and other files of that nature) | | If you vary from this practice, | we will come to house and kick your ass !!! Š| | | ============================================================================ | | 849) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:54:22 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | I just got this from Sam. | | Nope... he's not intentionally blocking your emails. | | ----- Forwarded message begin ----- | From: "Sam Ewalt" | | Eric, | | It's an odd thing, but I can't seem to get your coolist posts | through my ISP's spam filters. Each different post from you | that goes through the list gets labeled with an unique identifier | such as "bounce1234rty59@coolist.com" with different numbers | each time. It never comes through with the same numbers so I | can't tell the filter to let through all the mail from you. It | gets identified differently each time. | | Your messages are in the spam bucket with hundreds, sometimes | thousands of spam, spam, spam. | | Messages from you directly, I get. Messages from the other list, | I get. Messages from coolist from you, I don't get right away. I | have to dig them out of the spam bucket. | | Weird, eh? | | On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:07:39 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: | | > Hi Sam, | | > I think I know why. | | > IIRC, didn't you put a filter in-place that sends all of Eric's directly | > into the bit bucket ? | | > On ?, Eric S. Emerson wrote: | | >> arachne4dos @coollist.com General List ---------------- | | >> Hi Sam E., | >> I have sent you many unanswered | >> emails. I don't understand how your spam | >> filters would block my emails on the list and | >> still not block the other emails on the list. It just | >> doesn't make sense to me. Of course, you will | >> not see this one either unless glennmcc will Š| >> forward it to you like the last one. | | >> Eric | | >> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:28:58 -0800 (PST) "Sam Ewalt" | >> writes: | >>> arachne4dos @coollist.com General List ---------------- | | >>> On ?, Glenn McCorkle wrote: | | >>> > On ?, Eric S. Emerson wrote: | | >>> >> Testing Coollist function | | >>> > You ask: | | >>> > Is it working ? | | >>> > Nope... not working... test failed... did not receive the test | >>> message. | | >>> > | | >>> I didn't get Eric's email, but I never get Eric's emails here as he | >>> gets caught in my ISP's spam filter. | | >>> However, I didn't get Glen's reply the same way he didn't get the | >>> original test. | | >>> I just don't get it! | | >>> Sam Ewalt | >>> Croswell, Michigan | >>> USA | | >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | | >> Send operational and technical questions to | | >> developers list: arachne@freelists.org | | >> [Sponsored by:] | >> _________________________________________________________________________ | >> The newest lyrics on the Net! | | >> http://lyrics.astraweb.com | | >> Click NOW! | | > -- | > Glenn | > http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ | > http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ | > http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html | Š| Sam Ewalt | Croswell, Michigan | USA | | ------ Forwarded message end ------ | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 850) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:54:56 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Re: #794 | | I'd say the current style input panels are probably easier to setup | and look good.....If one uses the TAB key moving from one entry | point to the next is instantaneous....couldn't get easier! | | ============================================================================ | | 851) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:57:41 pm | | gregy> | Eric....that "Sam's ISP blocking" thing, may be due to your using that | library as your ISP....???? That's the only other thing I can think | of... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 852) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 7:59:38 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...Re: 848...no no no....the PolitelyCorrect (PC) response is, | "We'll hafta send Guido around.".....we all know what THAT means... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 853) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 8:07:12 pm | | glennmcc> | ----- Forwarded message begin ----- | From: "Glenn McCorkle" | | Sam, | | Thanks for the heads-up. | | I let Eric know that you are not intentionally sending his messages | to the trash. Š| | Now for something really strange. | | _ALL_ messages frm coollist have 'bounce' in the headers. | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/dir.txt | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/bounce.txt | | ------ Forwarded message end ------ | | ============================================================================ | | 854) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 8:12:54 pm | | gregy> | Glenn....way back a buncha posts....I failed to communicate my point | about Arachne "clipping" HTTPS URLs....yes...Arachne doesn't do HTTPS.. | ..but...Arachne will absolutely NOT issue an HTTPS-URL...I mean, even it | I change it manually in the box, as soon as I hit Arachne clips | the "S" and issues a plain, bare HTTP-URL.....meaning that I cannot | "go to my CU's login page, or, even go to their mainpage and click that | link, with Arachne....because A clips the "S" from the URL.... | ...so...I have to use the .OOK, then click the HTTPS link from one of | my LINKS files.... | ... | I mean, I cannot stall on an HTTPS page, "ESC" then F2, then click | the "DOSlynx" link to get taken there... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 855) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 8:15:20 pm | | gregy> | It's a minor point for now...and I'm just "saying"...not really | "reporting a bug"..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 856) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 8:21:25 pm | | glennmcc> | It _will_ show-up as https:// | | But only if you have Https2Http disabled | | Hint... hint.... hint... | | ============================================================================ | | 857) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 8:22:30 pm | | Eric> Š| glennmcc, RE: #848 | | I think that might useful advice in some situations....but..... | in this case.....perhaps a bit of over-kill! | | Can't you just hear Cheney: "Get out of my way, right now! Or......" | "Damn, made me miss the wabbit!" | | | ============================================================================ | | 858) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 8:22:56 pm | | glennmcc> | But there _is_ a problem. | | https://www.citibank.com/ becomes.... | | https://www.citibank.com:80/ | | I'll fix that and upload an update in a few min. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 859) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 8:30:11 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Thanks for the go-between for Sam E. | | Gregy, It is more likely Juno doing something or other than the | library.......they have nothing to do with my email. | | ============================================================================ | | 860) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 8:36:04 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, BTW, that virus scan is still running...about 7 1/2 hrs..... | HEY, it just finished....scanned 30773 files and found nothing.... | however, there seems to be something hidden somewhere that is | causing the redirection of some URL's. When I enter the same | URL into Arachne I get a different site. | | | ============================================================================ | | 861) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 8:44:20 pm | | ray> | Gregy, | | You should change the default on the board to 64 messages ;-) | Š| Glenn, | | re your .bat, not complicated to run, just complectated under the hood. | I too like 'em robust inside, but user friendly outside. | | | ============================================================================ | | 862) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 8:52:25 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Have you got the CD R/W working? | | ============================================================================ | | 863) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 8:58:01 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | There we go... fixed. :) | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190-0316.zip | | | --- in urlstat.c --- | | if(url->user[0]) | { | if(url->password[0]) | sprintf(outbuf,"%s://%s:%s@%s:%d%s",url->protocol,url->user,url->passwor | else | sprintf(outbuf,"%s://%s@%s:%d%s",url->protocol,url->user,url->host,url-> | } | else | //!!glennmcc: Mar 16, 2006 -- don't add the port # for https | // so we can send the URL as-is to Lynx | if((!strcmpi(url->protocol,"http") && url->port==80) | || !strcmpi(url->protocol,"https")) | //if(!strcmpi(url->protocol,"http") && url->port==80) //original line | //!!glennmcc: end | sprintf(outbuf,"%s://%s%s",url->protocol,url->host,url->file); | else | sprintf(outbuf,"%s://%s:%d%s",url->protocol,url->host,url->port,url->file | } | ____________________________________________________________________________ | | | ============================================================================ | | 864) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:07:16 pm | | glennmcc> | 7 1/2 hrs !?!?!?! | | You gotta be kidding me. Š| | BRB with F-Prot results. | | ============================================================================ | | 865) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:12:37 pm | | gregy> | "But only if you have Https2Http disabled" ....did that waaayyyy long | time ago.... (Ref - previous way-back posts)... | 1. https://homebanking.bearpawcu.org/ | 2. (it stalls..so wait...then "EXC") and you will see still HTTPS in | the URL box | 3. Press F2...voila..!!! ...changes automagically to HTTP... | 4. Click the DOSLynx link, and it stalls again...why..?? because it | is, now (and probably was, before, in Step 2), issuing an HTTP request | instead of an HTTPS request.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 866) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:16:51 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, 7 hrs 25 min 11 secs ......that is using the | DOS program. The W$dz program only takes an hour or so....I | don't know why.....I figure maybe the DOS version is more thorough? | | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 867) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:24:41 pm | | gregy> | Nope...0316 doesn't cure the problem...FWIW...the HTTPS:// never shows | up in HISTORY.LST listing...nothing gets put in there until I press | the F2, then HTTP:// gets put into HISTORY.LST, and click-on-DOSLynx | thus sends an erroneous HTTP:// request.....I reiterate..there is NO | such URL as HTTP://homebanking.bearpawcu.org/ it doesn't exist... | only HTTPS://homebanking.bearpawcu.org/ exists....as far as getting | ANY response from ANY server goes... | | | ============================================================================ | | 868) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:26:47 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Over 114,000 objects scanned in 16min | Š| How's that for FAST ???? | | Results of virus scanning: | | Files: 17103 | MBRs: 2 | Boot sectors: 11 | Objects scanned: 114586 | Infected: 59 | Suspicious: 1 | Disinfected: 0 | Deleted: 0 | Renamed: 0 | | Time: 15:59 | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/fullscan.txt | | | ============================================================================ | | 869) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:27:19 pm | | gregy> | and...BTW...0316 "cured" the :80 part of that HTTPS URL...?? maybe..but | nevertheless, when I enter HTTPS://yada.yada.org/ and hit I see | the bottom status line still reading "connecting to HTTP, port 80".... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 870) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:28:29 pm | | glennmcc> | Greg, | | You need to have Https2Http Disabled | | hint ... hint... hint... again | | | | ============================================================================ | | 871) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:43:20 pm | | gregy> | Glenn......Re: 865...I did that LOOOOOONNNNGGGG time ago...it's | now always disabled.... | ... | CORRECTION on those status messages: | 1. Arachne Status Bar - "connecting to homebanking.bearpawcu.org, port | 80" ..(must be "ESC"ed out from because it's irrevocably stalled) | 2. after "ESC", F2, click-on-DOSLynx (Lynx launches)..Lynx StatusBar Š| message == "making HTTP connection...etc...etc"...this stalls, too. | 3. Using the .OOK, Lynx launches and goes to one of my LINKS files.. | 4. I click on https://homebanking.bearpawcu.or/ ...and Lynx StatusBar | message == "making HTTPS connection...etc...etc".... | | This tells me that the "click-transfer" from Arachne-to-Lynx is passing | an HTTP URL instead of an HTTPS URL... | | | ============================================================================ | | 872) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:45:07 pm | | gregy> | and...just be be sure...I just checked and "HTTPS2HTTP No"...it's still | the way I set it in my .CFGs and .ACFs.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 873) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:45:21 pm | | glennmcc> | One last try......... | | | You need to have Https2Http Disabled | | hint ... hint... hint... yet again | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 874) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:46:21 pm | | gregy> | If you doubt my word/check..I could email-attach or paste my .CFG-file | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 875) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:48:00 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...hmmmm...something is being missed....okay..I'll bite.. | ... | QUESTION - Does "HTTPS2HTTP No" disable https2http....??? If not, how | DO I disable https2http....??? | | | Š| ============================================================================ | | 876) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:48:11 pm | | glennmcc> | Look very closely at each of those hints. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 877) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:48:51 pm | | gregy> | ;---------------------------------------------------------------h/ac1eXX | [profile] | Profile AC1ED1.ACF | ;Profile AC1ED2.ACF | ;Profile AC1ER1.ACF | ;Profile AC1ER2.ACF | ;---------------------------------------------------------------s2/ac1eXX | ;Connection @HILOAD epppd.exe>>PPP.LOG | ;Connection @LOADHIGH epppd.exe>>PPP.LOG | Connection @f:\qemm\LOADHI.com epppd.exe>>PPP.LOG | Hangup @termin.com 0x60>NUL | [dialer] | DialPage file:ppp_init.htm | Dialer @MINITERM.EXE>PPP.LOG | TerminalWindow @MINITERM.EXE | UseTerminal No | Port 2 | Irq 3 | Base 0x2f8 | Mode 8N1 | Speed 57600 | InitString ATZ | DialString ATDT | PhoneNumber xxx-xxxx | ;PhoneNumber xxx-xxxx | Autologin No | WaitFor1 name: | Response1 \u | WaitFor2 sword: | Response2 \p | WaitFor3 > | Response3 ppp | PPPusername xxxxx | PPPpassword xxxxxx | ;---------------------------------------------------------------s4/ac1eXX | [tcp/ip] | IP_Address PPP | IP_Grab IP address set to | ;;WY | ;NameServer 65.19.208.20 | ;AltNameServer 65.19.208.21 Š| ;;ID | ;NameServer 199.104.81.6 | ;AltNameServer 199.104.81.3 | ;;MT | ;NameServer 65.19.193.20 | ;AltNameServer 65.19.193.21 | ;;FRee | ;NameServer 216.220.0.1 | ;AltNameServer 204.70.57.242 | ;ENV | NameServer %DNS1 | AltNameServer %DNS2 | Gateway 0.0.0.0 | AltGateway 0.0.0.0 | Netmask 0.0.0.0 | TCPconfig PPPTCP.CFG | ;---------------------------------------------------------------s6/ac1eXX | [mail] | SMTPserver smtp.onewest.net | POP3server popmaster.onewest.net | ;199.104.81.25 | ;;D1-R1 | POP3username xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx | ;;POP3username xxxxx | POP3password xxxxxx | ;;D2-R2 | ;POP3username xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx | ;;POP3username xxxxx | ;POP3password xxxxxx | ;;D1-R1 | eMail xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx | ;;D2-R2 | ;eMail xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx | KeepOnServer No | PersonalName xxxxxxxx | Organization Arachne Fan Club | TimeZone -0600 | UseSignature Yes | SignatureFile SIGN.TXT | MailEncoding MIME | MailSortOrder DateSnt | NoHELO No | KillSent No | MailIdxTemplate idxhead.htp | ForwardString1 ----- Forwarded message begin ----- | ForwardString2 ------ Forwarded message end ------ | ReplyString On %s, %s wrote: | MyCharset US-ASCII | MailBodyEncoding 7bit | ;---------------------------------------------------------------s8/ac1eXX | [internet] | HTTPproxy proxy.provider.com:8080 | UseProxy No | HomePage file:mail.htm | SearchPage http://www.google.com/ Š| SearchEngine http://www.google.com/search?q= | FTPusername anonymous | FTPpassword xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx | FTPhost ftp.provider.com | FTPpath /home/user/ | AcceptCharset ISO-8859-1,* | ;---------------------------------------------------------------s10/ac1eXX | [system] | Hotlist f:\arsys\HOTLIST.HTM | History r:\arsys\HISTORY.LST | CookieFile r:\arsys\COOKIES.LST | CacheIndex .\CACHE.IDX | CachePath CACHE\ | Cache2TEMP Yes | ;;D1 | MailPath f:\armail\ahi1\ | ;;D2 | ;MailPath f:\armail\ahi2\ | ;;R1 | ;MailPath r:\armail\ahi1\ | ;;R2 | ;MailPath r:\armail\ahi2\ | ;DownloadPath e:\ | ;DownloadPath f:\ | DownloadPath e:\down\ | ;DownloadPath h:\down\ | ;---------------------------------------------------------------s12/ac1eXX | [misc] | Logo 12000 | LoadImages No | Frames Yes | JPEGargs -bmp -fast | FILEargs -d | RefreshDelay 20 | ScreenSaver 10 | ScreenSaverStyle R | ScreenSaverColors 0 | ESC Exits | F3key file:*.htm | AutoF3key Yes | BigFont No | ScrollBarSize 14 | ScrollBarStyle NextStep | Colors 11 0 | MouseColors 15 15 | VirtualScreen 2000 | ;VirtualScreen 5000<<<---from 1.89---------- | ScreenMode Auto | SmoothScroll Yes | ScrollStep 1000 | ;ScrollStep 50<<<---from 1.89---------- | BgColor #000000 | Text #F0F0F0 | Link #00FF00 | Background NUL Š| ;Background back.gif<<<---from 1.89---------- | ExitOnHangup No | ASCIIwidth 78 | HTMLtext #000000 | ;;D1-D2 | HTMLbgColor #FFFFFF | ;;R1-R2 | ;HTMLbgColor #F0F0C0 | ;HTMLbgColor #C4C4C4<<<---from 1.89---------- | HTMLlink #0000C4 | ShiftF1 file://doc/howto.htm | ShiftF2 file://oops\*.* | ShiftF3 file:*.* | ShiftF4 file://examples\newfile.htm | ShiftF5 file:AEPPDIAL.acf | ShiftF6 file:AC1Ed1.acf | ShiftF7 file:AC1Ed2.acf | ShiftF8 file:AC1Er1.acf | ShiftF9 file:AC1Er2.acf | ShiftF10 file://outbox.dgi | AltTab No | EditHotlistEntry Yes | Autodial Yes | UseCID No | UseCDescr No | AltSysFont 0 | Index *.htm | ;Index *.*<<<---from 1.89---------- | FontShift 0 | Multitasking Yes | XMS4allGIFs 1024 | ;XMS4allGIFs 2048<<<---from 1.89---------- | XMS4oneGIF 270000 | ;XMS4oneGIF 1040000<<<---from 1.89---------- | CSS Yes | Https2Http No | DelHistory No | ;---------------------------------------------------------------s14/ac1eXX | [security] | SavePasswords Yes | Cookies Yes | HTTPreferer Yes | ;FakeFTPeMail user@domain | | ;---------------------------------------------------------------s16/ac1eXX | ;---------------------------------------------------------------s18/ac1eXX | [auto-added] | IgnoreRefresh No | LengthenShortRefresh N | MaxRes 2 | VFAT No | UseKeyMap No | ;MinDiskSpace 128 | MinDiskSpace 100 | QADT No Š| Kill468x60 No | CacheFonts Yes | ScreenSaverMess 20 | UseByteSec Yes | EnterBGDL Yes | RIAD No | AlwaysUseCFGcolors No | HTTPS2HTTP No | POP3log No | SMTPlog No | KeepHTT Yes | HTTPKeepAlive Yes | IGNOREJS Yes | | ============================================================================ | | 878) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:49:00 pm | | glennmcc> | Do you see it ??? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 879) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:49:49 pm | | gregy> | I can paste the other 4 .ACFs that I use, too...if you wanna see them | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 880) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:51:19 pm | | gregy> | oh....when did you change the options on that HTTPS2HTTP....???? That's | cruel....!!!!! | | | | ============================================================================ | | 881) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:52:31 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep... that's me. | | cruel SOB from the git-go | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 882) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:53:24 pm | | glennmcc> | Is it working now ? | | Can you get https://yada.yada.yada/ ??? | | ============================================================================ | | 883) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:55:29 pm | | glennmcc> | When did I do that ??? | | Over a year ago. | | //!!glennmcc: Jan 24, 2005 -- changed default to "Yes" | value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"HTTPS2HTTP",NULL); | if(value && toupper(*value)=='D') | http_parameters.https2http=0; | else | http_parameters.https2http=1; | //!!glennmcc: end | | | ============================================================================ | | 884) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 9:58:56 pm | | glennmcc> | Since in 99.99999999999% of cases we need https to be converted to http... | | I made it almost imposible to figure-out how to disable it. | | In over 14months this is the very first 'compaint' from _anyone_ | | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 885) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:02:20 pm | | gregy> | I have | HTTPS2HTTP Disabled | | Does that disable it...??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 886) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:05:51 pm Š| | glennmcc> | By George, I think he's got it !!! | | ============================================================================ | | 887) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:06:11 pm | | glennmcc> | Joe 'caught' it too. | | But it took him seeing it in my SRCs to reverse the change. | | * Changed 'Https2Http' option choices from 'Anything/Disable' | to 'Yes/No' (using ConfigYesNo(), of course), to comply with | the 'keywords.txt' documentation and be consistent with other | similar 'arachne.cfg' options and also with 'opt_net.ah'. | | | ============================================================================ | | 888) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:08:40 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Talking about being pushy..........disabled..... | Gregy, have you got Guido's number? | | ============================================================================ | | 889) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:09:41 pm | | gregy> | From 865.... | 1. https://homebanking.bearpawcu.org/ | 2. (it stalls..so wait...then "EXC") and you will see still HTTPS in | the URL box | 3. Press F2...voila..!!! ...changes automagically to HTTP... | 4. Click the DOSLynx link, and it stalls again...why..?? because it | is, now (and probably was, before, in Step 2), issuing an HTTP request | instead of an HTTPS request.... | | From 871.... | CORRECTION on those status messages: | 1. Arachne Status Bar - "connecting to homebanking.bearpawcu.org, port | 80" ..(must be "ESC"ed out from because it's irrevocably stalled) | 2. after "ESC", F2, click-on-DOSLynx (Lynx launches)..Lynx StatusBar | message == "making HTTP connection...etc...etc"...this stalls, too. | 3. Using the .OOK, Lynx launches and goes to one of my LINKS files.. | 4. I click on https://homebanking.bearpawcu.or/ ...and Lynx StatusBar | message == "making HTTPS connection...etc...etc".... | | This tells me that the "click-transfer" from Arachne-to-Lynx is passing | an HTTP URL instead of an HTTPS URL... | | Š| LATEST... | changing to "HTTPS2HTTP Disabled" has NOT changed those actions or | responses or status messages a bit... | | | ============================================================================ | | 890) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:10:21 pm | | glennmcc> | If you'll notice, on opt_net.ah included in the v1.89 ... | | The section for Https2Http is even commented-out. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 891) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:10:33 pm | | glennmcc> | | | ============================================================================ | | 892) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:12:06 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Careful what your posting with your ACF's. | | ============================================================================ | | 893) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:14:27 pm | | gregy> | Eric....I'm not gonna complain about it...just that I missed that change | ....and it's slightly, temporarily tripped me up.......however | that thing is coded, we can live with it.... | ... | However...no matter...it's NOW...."Disabled" and it doesn't change | things at all...at least not as pertains to trying to get the "click | to-DOSLynx transfer to Lynx to send out an HTTPS request...it is still | passing an HTTP-request to Lynx..... | ... | And..the "direct-click-on-link" correctly passes an HTTPS-request to | Lynx... Š| | | | ============================================================================ | | 894) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:15:30 pm | | Eric> | Gregy......have you found Guido's number yet.......times a'wastin' | | ============================================================================ | | 895) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:15:34 pm | | gregy> | Eric...hmmm..yes...I'll hafta edit that out...when I archive this.. | ...thanks.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 896) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:17:25 pm | | gregy> | no...Glenn...I didn't notice that is was "commented out"...just that it | was "missing" from opt_net.ah........meaning..I just couldn't | find it there...and didn't look at the pagesource... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 897) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:17:41 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Ya missed a 'g' | | https://homebanking.bearpawcu.org/ | | .org .... not .or | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 898) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:19:11 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...I pasted the previous posts together in 889...why don't you give | it a quick try...see if/where you get different StatusBar messages and | results from mine...???? | .. | Š| | ============================================================================ | | 899) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:22:54 pm | | gregy> | picky..picky......but 889 has the correct "pasteable links".. | ... | ..give it a quick try....tell me where your StatusBarMessages and | results vary from mine.. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 900) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:25:49 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/bearpaw.gif | screen-cap in Arachne | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/bearpaw.txt | (screen-cap in Lynx branched to from Arachne F2) | | ============================================================================ | | 901) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:26:04 pm | | gregy> | I'm constantly re-checking my .CFG to make sure it is still: | | HTTPS2HTTP Disabled | | I'll tell you if it shows up changed at any time... | | | ============================================================================ | | 902) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:30:11 pm | | glennmcc> | ;XMS4oneGIF 1040000<<<---from 1.89---------- | CSS Yes | Https2Http No Did you change this line ???? (see below) | DelHistory No | ;---------------------------------------------------------------s14/ac1eXX | [security] | SavePasswords Yes | Cookies Yes | HTTPreferer Yes | ;FakeFTPeMail user@domain | ;---------------------------------------------------------------s16/ac1eXX | ;---------------------------------------------------------------s18/ac1eXX | [auto-added] Š| IgnoreRefresh No | LengthenShortRefresh N | MaxRes 2 | VFAT No | UseKeyMap No | ;MinDiskSpace 128 | MinDiskSpace 100 | QADT No | Kill468x60 No | CacheFonts Yes | ScreenSaverMess 20 | UseByteSec Yes | EnterBGDL Yes | RIAD No | AlwaysUseCFGcolors No | HTTPS2HTTP No Or this one ???? | POP3log No | SMTPlog No | KeepHTT Yes | HTTPKeepAlive Yes | IGNOREJS Yes | | | ============================================================================ | | 903) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:30:20 pm | | gregy> | ah...now we're getting somewhere....I do NOT get that "unknown protocol" | error page...it just stalls, forever....and I have to press "ESC" to | get out of it....then I press F2 and try the DOSLynx link....so...this | is prolly where the problem is coming in... | ... | thoughts???...why I'm not getting that "unknown protocol"...?? | ... | obviously I've changed sumpin.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 904) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:31:30 pm | | glennmcc> | Since you have it in there twice..... | | The 1st one encountered gets used..... any additional ones past that are ign | | ============================================================================ | | 905) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:36:14 pm | | gregy> | obviously...there's NOT supposed to be two of those lines in there. | .......thank you...you have sharp eyes.... | ...and...NO...I did NOT change that first link........ Š| ... | but..(youknewthiswascoming)....I just now deleted it..... | ... | ...and...now....works as advertised..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 906) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:37:00 pm | | glennmcc> | EUREKA !!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | ============================================================================ | | 907) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:37:25 pm | | gregy> | now...to change all my .ACFs.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 908) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:38:24 pm | | Eric> | Ah-ha.....when two vowels go a' walkin'....the first one does the talkin' | | When keywords get posted twice....the first to appear gets the glory! | | | ============================================================================ | | 909) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:39:24 pm | | glennmcc> | define:eureka | | Main Entry: eu·re·ka | Pronunciation: yu-'rE-k& | Function: interjection | Etymology: Greek heurEka I have found, from | heuriskein to find; from the exclamation attributed to | Archimedes on discovering a method for | determining the purity of gold | | ============================================================================ | | 910) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:39:33 pm | | gregy> | well..I knew it hadda be something....you knew it hadda be something.. | ..especially after you tried it and it worked...all you could have been | thinking was, "Now, what's gregy got messed up in his .CFGs...it can't Š| be that HTTPS2HTTP line down at the bottom...but...hey..gregy's got an | EXtra line..above..!!!" | | | ============================================================================ | | 911) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:41:02 pm | | glennmcc> | Perfect analogy, 'cause since it's working now... it's "pure gold" | | | ============================================================================ | | 912) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:41:23 pm | | gregy> | well ...it WAS for determining the purity of gold, in the narrow | specific instance...but...what he actually discovered was the procedure | for determining "specific gravity".......(see, I can pick nits, | too....)..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 913) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:42:44 pm | | gregy> | oh...I love it...I wasn't really "complaining"..either...remember my | previous posts...I was making it work, and it WAS working...just that I | thought I ought to mention the peculiarity I was encountering... | | | ============================================================================ | | 914) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:43:11 pm | | glennmcc> | Now... go check yer stuff at the CU and report-back as to how well Lynx | works when branched-to from inside Arachne. | | | ============================================================================ | | 915) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:43:23 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, Don't feel bad.....we've all done it! That's how one | knows what to look for! | | ============================================================================ | | 916) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:44:53 pm | URL | Š| glennmcc> | Here's how well it works at CitiBank........ | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/citibank.txt | | | ============================================================================ | | 917) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:49:23 pm | | Eric> | BTW, Since "eureka" was for specific gravity, it applies well | since glennmcc found the specific line! | | | ============================================================================ | | 918) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:49:45 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...did that .TXT screen come from the Lynx P)rint function...?? | ..I mean...print-to-file..or something...??? | | | ============================================================================ | | 919) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:50:24 pm | | gregy> | he he he..... | BRB...check the "click-DOSLynx" functions.. | | | ============================================================================ | | 920) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:53:10 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Nope.... but this one did.... | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ctsindex.txt | | | | ============================================================================ | | 921) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:54:24 pm | | glennmcc> | Petty kewl s**t... huh ? | | ============================================================================ | | 922) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 10:57:40 pm Š| | Eric> | glennmcc, What function gave the that last printout? | | ============================================================================ | | 923) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:01:26 pm | | gregy> | Eric...I think he "P"ed and then "Preview"ed...then "F2"ed.... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 924) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:01:46 pm | | glennmcc> | ctsindex.txt was made using the P option inside of Lynx | (does the whole page not just rhew visible screen) | | citibank.txt is a screen-cap of just the visible screen using.... | | --- ps2file.bat --- | @echo off | if "%1"=="" goto err | if "%1"=="end" goto close | lptx.com -o %1 | goto redirect | :err | echo Must enter file name for PrintScreen redirection. | echo ps2file filename.txt | goto redirect | :close | lptx.com -c | goto end | :redirect | echo To close %1 use.... ps2file end | :end | ___________________ | | ============================================================================ | | 925) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:02:57 pm | | gregy> | Glenn...then how did you print that Lynx screen...??? the one with | your acct balances, etc...?? | I mean..how did you save it off in order to post it here...??? | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 926) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:03:00 pm Š| | Eric> | Gregy, I thought he did it with DOSlynx....? | | | ============================================================================ | | 927) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:03:50 pm | | glennmcc> | LPTx : Line Printer Output Capture Routine | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | | Version 7.00 | | (C) Copyright 1987 by Mark DiVecchio, All Rights Reserved | (C) Copyright 1987 by Kepa Zubeldia, All Rights Reserved | | | | This program is released for use in non-commercial environments. I ask | commercial users to register the program with a $25 copyright fee for each | site (any number of users and computers) at which the program is used. | | DISCLAMER : This program tries to perform a function which is not supported | by DOS. It will work sometime and will not work other times. That kind of | explains why you don't see this type of program on the market. I have | tested it under DOS 2.x and 3.x. In particular, under 3.x, I used dBase-II. | I have not tested it with dBase-III or dBase-III+. | | Mark C. DiVecchio | 10435 Mountain Glen Terrace | San Diego, CA 92131 | 619-566-6810 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | | First - some thanks... I would like to thank all of the users who | have called me about the earlier versions of LPTx which has been floating | around for about a year. The program has met with mixed success. There | seems to be no pattern as to when the program works and when it doesn't. I | am still searching for the solution to this very difficult problem. This | version and versions 4.x and 5.x which preceeded it are attempts to perform | the same function with a different algorithm. Version 3.00, 4.00, 5.00 and | 6.00 are not replacements or upgrades of each other but just alternative | implementations. Version 7.00 is version 6.00 with a pop-up window. | | A special word of Thanks to Kepa Zubeldia who added the | enhancements for version 7.00. | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | | Have you ever wanted to get some data from your screen into a | program? Have you ever wanted to grab onto some printer data and put it | into a disk file but the program you are using does not have that as a Š| option? Well here is the answer to your problem. This program will grab | onto anything sent out of a line printer port as long as the program uses | the standard BIOS INT 17h call. This version works with Shift-PrtSc or | Ctrl-PrtSc but does not work with the DOS TYPE command. | | This program intercepts the BIOS interrupt 17h, the line printer | interrupt. It will redirect the output of LPT1, LPT2, or LPT3 to a disk | file. All three redirections may be active at the same time. | | This version of LPTx counts on the PC having some "free time" in | order to write the data to disk. The program gathers data into a large | buffer and during timer interrupts and keyboard idle periods, it writes it | to disk. DOS must not be in its critical section for the write to take | place. LPTx does not work with the DOS TYPE apparently because the critical | section flag is always set when the timer interrupts occur. It should work | with most user programs since the critical section flag is not set in user | programs and therefore will not be set when timer interrupts occur. | | Look at the Assembly Language Source which you should have received | with this documentation file. If you would like the other versions of LPTx, | I will be happy to send them to you. Just send me a formatted 360K DSDD | floppy (no DOS on diskette) along with a post-paid, self-addressed floppy | mailer. I will send you all current versions that are active. If you | received this disk directly from me, all of the different versions are | already on the diskette. | | LPTx requires DOS 2.0 or later. It has been tested on version 3.1 | of DOS as well. | | Calling sequence: | lptx [?] [-m] [-x] [-l] [-i] {-1,-2,-3} {-c -o -a } | | where -1 means redirect LPT1, -2 means redirect LPT2, -3 means redirect | LPT3 | This option must appear first | | -o means start the redirection to file specified. If redirection | is already in progress for the selected line printer, | the old file will be closed first. | (If you do not specify -o but you do specify a line printer, | LPTx will use either the last file name that you gave when | you loaded LPTx or will use the file named LPTXy.LST which it | will create in the root directory on the default drive - where | y is 1, 2, or 3.) | | It is not necessary that you specify the complete path name | for the file. LPTx will create the file in the default | directory if you don't specify a directory. LPTx will always | be able to find the file because it saves the complete path. | | -a means the same as -o except that if there was a file with the same | name already on the disk, it will append the text to that file | without asking the user for confirmation. In order for this to | work properly, the file on the disk must NOT be terminated by | a control-Z (1Ah). Otherwise you may not be able to see the text Š| that will be appended after the control-Z. | | ============================================================================ | | 928) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:04:15 pm | | glennmcc> | | LPTx will not put a control-Z at the end of its files. If you | need a control-Z at the end, you can use the copy command, with | the concatenation option (copy x+y z) to add a control-Z. See | your DOS manual. | | -c means close the file and send all further output directly to the | line printer. | | If neither the -o or the -c option is specified, LPTx just displays | the program status. | | | -? displays a short help screen. | | -x tells LPTx to ignore the DOS Critical Section Flag. Use this | option only with great care. LPTx may do unusual things if the | flag is ignored. | | -l tells LPTx to strip linefeed characters from the data as it is | being redirected. | | -i removes LPTx from the interrupt chain. This effectively inactivat | the program. The memory which it occupies is not freed. | | -m the first time LPTx is run, tells the pop-up window to ignore | the color card and use monochrome attributes. Makes a more readable | screen on monochrome monitors with graphics adaptor cards. | | note: -1, -2, and -3 are mutually exclusive | -o and -c are mutually exclusive | | examples: | | lptx Displays the program status | | lptx ? Displays a HELP screen | | lptx -1 redirects LPT1 output to file named | LPTX1.LST in the root directory | on the default drive or the last | named file. | | lptx -o a:\able.xxx redirects LPT1 output to file named | or a:\able.xxx. Any open redirection | lptx a:\able.xxx disk file for LPT1 is closed. | | lptx -2 b:xx.lst redirects LPT2 output to file named Š| XX.LST in the default directory | on drive B:. Any open redirection | disk file for LPT2 is closed. | | lptx -3 d:\ab\cd\file.lst redirects LPT3 output to the file named | file.lst in the directory ab\cd on drive | d:. | | lptx -c closes any disk files open for LPT1 and send | or the output back to the line printer | lptx -1 -c If no redirection is taking place to LPT1, | this is a NOP. LPT2 and LPT3 are not | affected. | | lptx -2 -c closes any disk file open for LPT2 and | sends the output back to line printer. | if no redirection is taking place to LPT2, | this is a NOP. LPT1 and LPT3 are not | affected. | | By redirecting LPT2 or LPT3 to a disk file, you can in effect have | 2 or 3 printers on your system. LPT1 can be your physical printer and you | can have LPT2 output going to disk. When you redirect LPT2 or LPT3, LPT1 | works normally. | | If you are redirecting to a diskette file, do not remove the | diskette once the redirection starts. I recommend redirecting to a hard | disk or a RAM disk. | | If LPTx encounters any kind of error during the redirection, it | terminates operation and sends output back to the line printer. It does not | display anything but beeps the speaker. Four beeps indicates a DOS disk | access error. Two beeps indicates an internal buffer overflow error. This | prevents your currently running program from possibly getting destroyed. An | error with LPT1 redirection does not shut down LPT2 or LPT3 redirection. | | LPTx captures the int 17h interrupt vector. Problems may occur with | print spoolers which also take over the int 17h vector. You can be sure | that LPTx works correctly by running LPTx before you run your print | spooler. LPTx will be transparent to the print spooler but your print | spooler may not be transparent to LPTx. LPTx works fine with IBM's PRINT | command. | | LPTx also captures the int 24h critical error interrupt vector. | This is done only for the period that LPTx is using the disk. This prevents | the generation of funny error messages in the middle of other programs that | you may be running. (LPTx just beeps 4 times and clears itself out of way | if a disk error occurs). | | This version of LPTx can redirect all three printers to three | different files with all 3 active at the same time. | | LPTx worked correctly when I tested it with: | | 1. dBaseII, Š| | 2. the ARC utility with the "p" option and output redirected to prn, | | 3. shift PrtSc, | | 4. DOS PRINT utility, | | 5. Lotus 123, | | 6. dir > prn, | | LPTx did not work with: | | 1. The DOS TYPE command, | | 2. The DOS COPY command, | | 3. | | Version 6.00 of LPTx uses about 20K of memory for the resident data | buffers and interrupt handler. This is greater than the previous versions | of LPTx because I made the disk buffers larger. | | If you modify or find any bugs in this program, I would appreciate | it if you would drop me a line with the changes. Use the address above. | | Updates and new versions of this program can be found on the RBBS | at 619-741-3412. | | Version 7.00 contains the code for a pop-up window that allows the | user to turn the redirection ON or OFF from within an application program. | This window has been tested with Monochrome, Color, and EGA adaptor cards, | and with monochrome and color monitors. If DOS is busy when you try to open | the window, you will get no response. In these cases, hold down Alt-PrtSc | until the window opens. You can only redirect printers to files that have | been previously opened with the command line version of LPTx. | | For Example : | | You first must start LPTx from the command line as usual : | | lptx output.fil | | Then you can press Alt-PrtSc and a pop-up window will appear. | When it does, the up and down arrow keys select a printer and the | right and left arrow keys select redirection. The pop-up will state | "to file" or "to printer" indicating the state of the redirection. | | Press or to close the window. | | Remember that you must start LPTx from the command line before | the pop-up will let you turn redirection on or off. | | | Another change in LPTx version 7.00 is the capability of appending Š| to an existing file, instead of having to use a new file every time. This | feature forced the sacrifice of the control-Z added at the end of the file. | | Version 7.00 now assembles under Microsoft 5.0 | | ============================================================================ | | 929) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:07:13 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, where do you get lptx.com....from your "stuff"? | | | ============================================================================ | | 930) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:08:49 pm | | glennmcc> | ! to shell-out of Lynx | | ps2file l:\citibank.txt | | 'exit' back into Lynx | | While I was viewing my acc ballance at CitiBank... | | hit PrintScreen key and the visible screen was 'printed' to l:\citibank.txt | | ! shelled-out of Lynx | | ps2file end | | 'exit' back into Lynx | | 'Q' quit Lynx back into Arachne. | | Browsed to l:\citibank.txt | | F2 to upload it to CisNet | | ============================================================================ | | 931) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:12:32 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Where to get it ? | | Just now uploaded it for ya' :) | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/download/ | | | ============================================================================ | Š| 932) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:15:08 pm | | gregy> | well...I clipped thru to 930...and I'll "ponder" that..... | ... | ..as I said...I'm using it more and more to get used to its integration | ....'cause...you know...that I wanna get just the SSL thingee going as | a "sideways-integrated" helper, like Lynx now is....and can't do that | without having some idea of Lynx's operation and style. | .. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 933) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:15:29 pm | | glennmcc> | g'nite all | | ============================================================================ | | 934) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:17:19 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I have a small program I use all the time called WASH. | | Are you familiar with it? It also has a copy function, but like | lptx.com a "comp" always gave a "different file sizes" error | 'cause I think it leaves the control-Z off. | | ============================================================================ | | 935) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:18:37 pm | | gregy> | lptx...got it....that looks similar to that "prn2file" thingee I use | quite often...only prn2file is a little TSR that captures the CTRL-P | function....well, no...actually it doesn't....it just redirects the | printer output to a file....but...but...I always couple it to the | CTRL-P function... | .. | | | ============================================================================ | | 936) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:19:16 pm | | Eric> | G'nite guys! | | ============================================================================ | | 937) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:21:13 pm | Š| gregy> | g'nite...Glenn.... | ... | Oh, and y'all remember that I'm archiving this board after midnight, | my time... | ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 938) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:21:21 pm | | Eric> | PS: Gregy.....remember to check those ACF's for personal info !!! | | | ============================================================================ | | 939) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:21:39 pm | | gregy> | g'nite Eric... | | | ============================================================================ | | 940) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:22:11 pm | | gregy> | Eric...thanks, again...I'd already forgotten.... | | | ============================================================================ | | 941) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:47:23 pm | | Eric> | Jumping Johasafax, Gregy....I forgot....cancel that call to Guido ! | | | ============================================================================ | | 942) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:49:00 pm | | gregy> | Eric....he he...Guido is a friend of mine....and he's a creampuff... | ...wouldn't hurt a soul.... | | | ============================================================================ | ============================================================================ | | 943) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 12:12:32 am | | Eric> | Gregy, Guido is my neighbor.....only spelled GUIDOT. | Also, Guido is also the mayor of Dearborn, MI....my | friend knew him....I don't. | | ============================================================================