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| 1) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 1:20:07 am 
|
| gregy>
| Are we in business...???
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| 2) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 1:23:02 am 
|
| gregy>
| New board...
|
| Last 11 posts...
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| |
| | 931) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:12:32 pm 
| | URL
| |
| | glennmcc>
| | Where to get it ?
| |
| | Just now uploaded it for ya' :)
| |
| | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/download/
| |
| |
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| |
| | 932) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:15:08 pm 
| |
| | gregy>
| | well...I clipped thru to 930...and I'll "ponder" that.....<g g g>
| | ...
| | ..as I said...I'm using it more and more to get used to its
| | integration
| | ....'cause...you know...that I wanna get just the SSL thingee going
| | as
| | a "sideways-integrated" helper, like Lynx now is....and can't do
| | that
| | without having some idea of Lynx's operation and style.
| | ..
| |
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 933) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:15:29 pm 
| |
| | glennmcc>
| | g'nite all
| |
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 934) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:17:19 pm 
| |
| | Eric>
| | glennmcc,   I have a small program I use all the time called WASH.
| |
| | Are you familiar with it?  It also has a copy function, but like
| | lptx.com a "comp" always gave a "different file sizes" error
| | 'cause I think it leaves the control-Z off.
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 935) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:18:37 pm 
| |
| | gregy>
| | lptx...got it....that looks similar to that "prn2file" thingee I use
| | quite often...only prn2file is a little TSR that captures the CTRL-P
| | function....well, no...actually it doesn't....it just redirects the
| | printer output to a file....but...but...I always couple it to the 
| | CTRL-P function...
| | ..
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 936) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:19:16 pm 
| |
| | Eric>
| | G'nite guys!
| |
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 937) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:21:13 pm 
| |
| | gregy>
| | g'nite...Glenn....
| | ...
| | Oh, and y'all remember that I'm archiving this board after midnight,
| | my time...
| | ...
| |
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 938) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:21:21 pm 
| |
| | Eric>
| | PS:  Gregy.....remember to check those ACF's for personal info !!! 
| |
| | ==========================================================================
| |
| | 939) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:21:39 pm 
| |
| | gregy>
| | g'nite Eric...
| |
| |
| |
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| |
| | 940) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:22:11 pm 
| |
| | gregy>
| | Eric...thanks, again...I'd already forgotten....<g g g>
| |
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| | 941) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:47:23 pm 
| |
| | Eric>
| | Jumping Johasafax,  Gregy....I forgot....cancel that call to Guido !
| |
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| |
| | 942) Thu, Mar 16, 2006 - 11:49:00 pm 
| |
| | gregy>
| | Eric....he he...Guido is a friend of mine....and he's a creampuff...
| | ...wouldn't hurt a soul....<g g g>
| |
| |
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| |
| | 943) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 12:12:32 am 
| |
| | Eric>
| | Gregy,    Guido is my neighbor.....only spelled GUIDOT.
| | Also,  Guido is also the mayor of Dearborn, MI....my
| | friend knew him....I don't.
| |
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| 3) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 4:06:35 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Did you see the blurb on Arachne.cz about Arachne
| on Wikipedia....dated: 03/14/2006
|
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| 4) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 4:23:24 pm 
|
| Eric>
| BTW,   I have had to reinstall Arachne seversl times in the last 4-5
| days because of automatic aborts or memory disappearing.  I've
| been running 1.89 all those times I think....I might have had some
| 1.90 stuff some of the time fed to me by glennmcc.  Somehow randomly
| it seems, Arachne likes to eat memory.  It's like She gets a
| craving for a few bits every now and then! <ggg>
|
| ALSO, I KNOW YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE ME....BUT....most of those times
| after a reboot, my modem connection is still intact!  I know from
| previous posts that you guys are non-believers, and, I cannot explain
| it, but when I ALT-D my connection is established WITHOUT dialing.
| I have no idea how it survives a reboot but IT DOES !!! <ggg> 
|
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| 5) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 4:26:21 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Oh Yes,   A wee bit of Irish cheer to you all!
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| 6) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 4:46:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Top of the mornin' to ye.
|
| Ah and is it a pint ye'll be going for with me latter?
|
| This thing about the modem, I once had a memory expansion card that
| also survived a reboot, so I know that such things are possible.
| I used the card as a ramdisk and it was fantastic, because whatever
| was on it was still there after a crash/reboot. During programing or
| testing of some tricky bit of software, it made restarts a snap, 
| since I eventualy put almost everything conected with startup onto
| it, rather like a flash card today. I think it just had enough
| onboard battery to keep itself hot during the reboot, what I never
| did figure out is how it seamlessly re-integrated with the OS on
| restart, but it did. Maybe your modem is pulling a similar trick.
|
|
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| 7) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 4:51:27 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, Eric, feel like steping into the lab with me again? I'm trying
| again with Andrej's CD break code, I think I have a nice safe place
| for it but need a second opinion. I sure like having it tho, it 
| beats the stupid way that Arachne sits there waiting to time out
| when the con is dropped, and it's nice to know exactly what the
| problem is.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
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| 8) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 6:14:03 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray..I'll be back in a bit...with some thoughts on that "break" code..
| ..
|
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|  9) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 6:19:04 pm 
|
| gregy>
| BBIB
|
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|  10) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 6:31:15 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray....CD-drop code.....
| 1.  We do NOT want to be checking that "in a continuous loop" of, even,
| part of another loop (e.g. MAIN()..)...
| 2.  We DO want to be checking that "on event"....just don't pick an
| event that happens too often (slows things down, doesn't it..<g>...)
| 3.  AsFarAsICanRemember....the sequence for this is 1) tell serialport
| to query modem for "status"...2)this returns, from the modem, a set of
| bits/bytes that serialport puts into a SP-register
| 4.  We then 3) read that SP-register for the "modem-status-bits"...and
| then 4) we interpret those bits, and branch to the "appropriate action"
| .
| You'll notice, and firmly keep in mind, that we do NOT have to do those
| ...1-4) actions all at the same time, or "on the same event"...but..we
| can do one on one event, the next on another event, next, etc....
|
| Because, what might be "one, then next, then next, etc" will really be
| happening blitzschnell, under the hood of our boxes....
|
| The important thing....NEVER ever do anything about this, unless the
| proggy (Arachne) goes into a "wait" mode, or we do some event (e.g.
| click on an outside link) that will start the CD-check manually..
| ..
| Otherwise...if we "put it in a loop"...it can/WILL slow things down..
|
|
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| 11) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 6:35:58 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Oh, and...whenever our "CD-drop" detects that the modem-connection has
| gone OFFLINE....we NEVER do anything about it, EXCEPT..except to reset
| the OFFLINE/0:00:00 flag to the OFFLINE state.....Arachne will do the
| redial as soon as we click an outside link (if we have AUTODIAL Yes set)
| or we glance at the status bar and press the ALT-D ourselves...
| ...
| Nothing...NOTHING needs to be done, except to reset that offline-flag
| ...that's all...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 12) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 6:44:35 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Two questions:
|
| 1.  What program calls/launches IP-UP.BAT...to write the VARs into ENV
| ....???
| 2.  What program writes the values into IP-UP.BAT in the first place
| ....????
|
|
|
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| 13) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 6:58:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| My thinking exactly, it was the checking while busy that was the 
| problem. I'm just checking now on *initiation* of some HTTP event
| and on startup. It won't catch a line drop while actively doing
| something, but the old timeout will of course still work. But, if
| TCPIP is idle, and you go to do something it will instantly 
| notify you if CD has been dropped, seems OK.
|
| IP-UP is created by epppd.exe or lsppp.exe, but to call it,
| you must do it my way (in a batch file) or the standard core's way
| which is to add a call to it in the $roura$.bat that lauches the
| dialer/connection program(s).
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 14) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 7:00:54 pm 
|
| gregy>
| YES...!!!!...I KNEW!!! I'd seen it somewhere....thanks, Ray...
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 15) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 7:02:49 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Nope...I'm online, now, and "$roura$.bat" has no call for ip-up.bat in
| there....maybe it's in there whenever I'm OFFLINE.....???
| ...
| BRB
|
|
|
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|
| 16) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 7:07:03 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Nope...went offline and checked..."$roura$.bat" has no call to ip-up.bat
| in it....but...something/somewhere MUST call/launche IP-UP.BAT, each
| time I dialup...because the current-values ALWAYS get written into the
| ENV.....so....still wanna know what proggy calls ip-up.bat....
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
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| 17) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 7:10:06 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Oh, Glenn.....Re: Lynx....whenever I'm connected to a secure site...I'm
| swatting away "SSL - can't find local certificate" (or sumpin) errors
| ...
| Now...I downloaded Doug's CERT.PEM file, unzipped and put it in the
| main Lynx directory.....do you know how to make it read that file...
| ...??? or have you the same experience as I do....???
|
|
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| 18) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 8:11:23 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| I'm quite sure I'm right about that.
| My 'connect.bat':
|
| @lh lsppp>PPP.LOG
| @if exist ip-up.bat ip-up.bat
|
| if I comment out the ip-up line, when I connect, the env variables
| are not set. Here is the code in Glenn's sources:
| ...
|
|
|
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|
| 19) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 8:14:54 pm 
|
| ray>
|
|                                                                             
| #ifndef NOETHERPPP                                                          
|  if(dospppd)                                                                
|  {                                                                          
|   strcat(buf,"@if exist IP-UP.BAT call IP-UP.BAT\n@echo PPPD status: ");    
|   value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"IP_Grab",NULL);                         
|   strcat(buf,value);                                                        
|   strcat(buf," %MYIP%>>PPP.LOG\n");                                         
|   unlink("IP-UP.BAT");                                                      
|   unlink("PPP.LOG");                                                        
|  }                                                                          
| #endif                                                                      
|                                                                             
|  value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"DialPage",NULL);                         
| if(!strstr(strlwr(value),".htm")) value="file:ppp_init.htm";                
|  if((!strcmpi(value,p->htmlframe[p->activeframe].cacheitem.URL) ||          
|      strstr(p->htmlframe[p->activeframe].cacheitem.URL,"err_")) &&          
|      arachne.scriptline==0)                                                 
|   strcat(buf,"@arachne.bat -o\n");                                          
|  else                                                                       
|   strcat(buf,"@arachne.bat -r\n");                                          
|                                                                             
|
| You are probably not seeing the roura at the right time.
|                                                                             
|
|
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| 20) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 8:17:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| Todays project was to add error checking to all cases where Arachne
| tries to open a file. From now on in my core, all failed opens will
| be reported except those very few that are not errors at all.
|
|
|
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|
| 21) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 8:19:06 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| I put that ftp site to work today storing my sources for Vladimir :-)
|
|
|
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|
| 22) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 8:22:28 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy, to see what's happening in roura you might try this
| in arachne.bat:
|                                                               
| :execute                                                      
| if exist roura.log echo. >> roura.log                         
| if not exist roura.log echo. > roura.log                      
| copy roura.log + %ARACHNETEMP%$roura$.bat > NUL               
|
| it saves a running log of all roura's.
|                                                               
| if exist %ARACHNETEMP%$roura$.bat %ARACHNETEMP%$roura$.bat    
| goto roura                                                    
|                                                               
|
|
| ============================================================================
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| 23) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 8:23:28 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ooops, I put the comment in the middle not at the end.
|
|
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|
| 24) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 8:29:22 pm 
|
| gregy>
| okay..Ray...I see/read the code...I'll believe you....<g  g g>
| ...
| it's just....that somehow I want to "COPY DNS.TXT >> IP-UP.BAT"..right
| after IP-UP.BAT is written with its usual 4 variables...just before
| IP-UP.BAT is called to write those variables into the ENV....
| ...so....
| I was asking, to get things more straight in my head...
| ..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 25) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 8:52:23 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    It looks to me like core makes IP-UP.bat
|
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|
| 26) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 9:05:10 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| gregy,
|
| To get rid of that SSL cert not found....
|
| Press 'O' for Options (hmmmm... wondered where Michael got that idea) <ggg>
|
|
|
|                     Options Menu (Lynx Version 2.8.5rel.1)
|
|     Accept Changes - Reset Changes - Left Arrow cancels changes - HELP!
|
|                          Save options to disk: [_]
|                 (options marked with (!) will not be saved)
|
|   General Preferences
|   User mode                        : [Novice......]
|   Editor                           : _______________________________________
|   Type of Search                   : [Case insensitive]
|
|   Security and Privacy
|   Cookies (!)                      : [ask user..]
|   Invalid-Cookie Prompting (!)     : [prompt normally...]
|   SSL Prompting (!)                : [prompt normally...]
|
| __________________________________dwn-arrow to these 3 and press enter
| __________________________________ change cookies to accept all
| __________________________________ change invalid cookies to forced yes
| __________________________________ change SSL prompting to forced yes
|
|
|   Keyboard Input
|   Keypad mode                      : [Numbers act as arrows.............]
|   Emacs keys                       : [OFF]
|   VI keys                          : [OFF]
|   Line edit style                  : [Default Binding...]
|
|   Display and Character Set
|   Use locale-based character set(!): [OFF]
|   Display character set            : [Western (ISO-8859-1)...........]
|   Assumed document character set(!): [iso-8859-1......]
|   Raw 8-bit (!)                    : [ON.]
|   X Display (!)                    : _______________________________________
|
|   Document Appearance
|   Show color                       : [ON....]
|   Show cursor                      : [OFF]
|   Underline links (!)              : [OFF]
|   Popups for select fields         : [ON.]
|   HTML error recovery (!)          : [strict (SortaSGML mode)]
|   Show images (!)                  : [as links.]
|
|
| _________________________________ to get rid of most-all image tags
| _________________________________ change show images to ignore
|
|   Verbose images                   : [show filename]
|
|   Headers Transferred to Remote Servers
|   Personal mail address            : _______________________________________
|   Preferred document character set : _________________________________
|   Preferred document language      : _________________________________
|   User-Agent header (!)            : _______________________________________
|
|   Listing and Accessing Files
|   FTP sort criteria                : [By Name]
|   Local directory sort criteria    : [Mixed style......]
|   Local directory sort order       : [By Name.]
|   Show dot files                   : [OFF]
|   Execution links (!)              : [ALWAYS OFF..........]
|   Show transfer rate (!)     &nbsp;     : [Show bytes/sec, ETA]
|
|   Special Files and Screens
|   Multi-bookmarks                  : [OFF.....]
|   Bookmarks file                   : _______________________________________
|   Visited Pages                    : [By Last Visit Reversed.]
|
|   View the file lynx.cfg.
|
|         Accept Changes - Reset Changes - Left Arrow cancels changes
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 27) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 9:06:20 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| After making all the changes... up-arrow to 'Accept changes' and press enter
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 28) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 9:09:34 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   It looks to me like it depends on the connect program used.
|
| EPPPD.EXE  only seems to provide MYIP.....while....LSPPP.EXE provides
| MYIP & DNS1 & DNS2 & netmask & others  to IP-UP.BAT
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 29) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 9:20:13 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   It seems to me that the LSPPP method, setup like Ray
| has it, would be the easiest way to add/supply something to
| IP-UP.BAT before it is run.  <ggg> 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 30) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 9:25:42 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    Any SET xxxx= yy.yy.yy.yy   command you add to the end 
| of IP-UP.BAT will be the value set in ENV , I believe. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 31) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 9:30:38 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....thanks...I've been in there, before, and I, too, wonder if 
| there was any "connection" with that "LINKS" "O-option"......<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 32) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 9:31:44 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...yes....and that IS working...but...I'm trying to get the combo
| of Miniterm/EPPPD working as smoothly, and as standardly, as possible
| ...<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 33) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 9:37:34 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| What is it about the way it already _was_ working
| that you feel is 'un-smooth' or 'non-standard'
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 34) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 9:43:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy, Eric,
|
| RE 24, 29: Yup, with my connection method, you could modify the system
| to do anything you want because all the batchfiles are created
| manualy and externaly, so you aren't tied in to the hard coded
| method in the standard core. Eric, what you see there isn't core
| creating ip-up.bat, but just adding the command to run it to the
| buffer which ends up being the guts of roura.bat.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 35) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 9:46:25 pm 
|
| ray>
| Vladimir likes my method because he can create a connection .bat that
| scans several ISP's and might connect with any one of them as
| circumstances change. It's quite true that my way is less friendly for
| the beginner, but it offers far more power and flexibility.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 36) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 9:49:59 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   It would appear the core will run ip-up.bat if something
| else doesn't run it......so with EPPPD.EXE you might have to
| alter the core to add to IP-UP.BAT before it is run.....but...
| what stops you from adding to IP-UP.BAT after it is run and then
| run it again?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 37) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 9:50:49 pm 
|
| ray>
| Good night all,
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 38) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 9:58:25 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    Neither Miniterm nor EPPPD.EXE run IP-UP.BAT so they must
| rely on the core.exe to run IP-UP.BAT
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 39) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 10:03:50 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re:  #34
| Ray,  Your right, I saw that on closer inspection as you see in my
| later posts.  Core only runs IP-UP.BAT.  Thanks.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 40) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 10:07:11 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  Did you see my post about   Arachne.cz/Wikipedia ? <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 41) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 10:10:41 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Ya' mean this ? <ggg>
|
|
| http://arachne.cz/index.php?clanekid=187
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 42) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 10:12:47 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachne_(web_browser)
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 43) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 10:14:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| They even include a Screen-cap from v1.85;GPL,386+
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 44) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 10:41:31 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  Did you already know about that?   I especially like
| the greek word Arachne was derived from.....<gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 45) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 10:44:12 pm 
|
| Eric >
| glennmcc, Did you notice, Sam E. found one of my emails that got
| thru his spam filters.  <ggg> 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 46) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 10:44:45 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope... did not know about it till you told me.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 47) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 10:58:50 pm 
|
| gregy>
| he he...widipedia....they mostly got it right....except for Maintainer
|  - Micheal(sic) Polak....<g>
| ...
| ...and...from the "arachne4dos" link...I'd say our Mel was the one
| responsible for most of the info, if not for the whole entry, there.
| ...<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 48) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 11:04:26 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn..."smoothly"...."standard"....hmmmm...so much to recount..so
| little time....<g g g>
| ...
| It isn't "standard" until it interfaces/operates like the "other"
| dialer/packetdriver.....or...the "other" isn't standard....
| ...
| What needs to be done is their interfaces and operation need to be
| similar-ized (coined a new word, there....<g g g>....).....
| ...however....
| I'm just digging around to see what's possible...I don't really have
| any clear intermediate goals in sight....
| ...
| Just that it's now becoming easier for me/others to run it "outside the
| newUser straitjacket"...which is, essentially, necessary...because for
| newUsers to become dedicated fulltime users, it must be stretched beyond
| it's initial, simple installation..
| ...
| hmmmmm....I wonder if that makes any sense, at all...or if I really said
| anything, either....<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 49) Fri, Mar 17, 2006 - 11:06:51 pm 
|
| gregy>
| oh, and BTW....yes...that 0316 CORE is definitely required for success
| in clicking-DOSLynx surfing, to eliminate that ":80"....I ran into it
| when I first fired up, today...because I hadn't made a permanent change
| to what CORE I was using, yesterday, when you first posted that CORE..
| ...
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 50) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 3:35:19 pm 
|
| Eric>
| RE:  A189GPLL.EXE
| glennmcc,    I just tried a fromscratch setup of Arachne on
| my RAMdrive using A189GPLL.  I had to major discouraging
| problems.
|
| 1. I have over 8 megs free on my RAMdrive but 49 K. on my C:
| HDD so I get an out of disk space error.  I'm not using my
| C: drive so I don't need any more space on it to run Arachne.
|
| 2. I used your default dialup setup w/epppd. I entered everything
| I was asked to enter. I tried to connect (ALT-D). The first time
| Arachne dialed and then locked up. Nothing would release it except
| CTRL-ALT-DEL. Connection was never made.
|
| 3. After a complete reinstall, then Arachne refused to dial and 
| locked up!  This is because the first install never hung up the
| modem and left the modem in an unusable state.
|
| 4. Any new user trying Arachne with these results would be very
| discouraged, it seems to me!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 51) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 3:42:35 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Is %TEMP% pointing to a dior on the RamDrive ?
|
| Or is it on C: ?
|
| If it's on C: ... that might be the problem.
| (too little space on the drive containing the 'temp dir')
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 52) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 3:46:23 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  The temp dir is on D:
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 53) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 3:47:38 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   What points to the Temp dir?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 54) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 3:56:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| in autoexec.bat .........
|
| set TEMP=drive:\path
|
| Is D: the RamDrive ?
|
| If not... how much space is available on D: ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 55) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 3:59:55 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  a file compare, FC, showed the caching the same
| unless something in that bunch of stuff at the end of arachne.cfg
| that you have added would change the caching.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 56) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:03:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| ????
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  57) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:05:41 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    D: is the RAMdrive ..... only two drives. Plus A:.
| In other  words, I have drives A:, C:, and D:.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 58) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:08:49 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    RAMdrive D: has 7-8 Megs available free after Arachne
| is setup.   This board's HTM is in d:\arachne\cache\
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 59) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:18:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| What does this line in autoexec.bat show ?
|
| set temp=drive:\dir
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 60) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:19:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| --- clipped from my autoexec.bat ---
|
| SET TEMP=C:\TEMP
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 61) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:21:58 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  My point is that the error message about "not enough
| disk space" says that "one of your disk drives" is short on space.
| I assume that means that Arachne is checking both drives C: and D:
| and C: is causing the error message.  But, with my %TEMP% on D:, I
| don't need any more space on C:.  So, I should not be getting that
| error that prevents me from running Arachne.  Maybe Arachne should
| check where the %TEMP% is. It's available in ENV.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 62) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:27:50 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Clipped from my ENV:
|
| TEMP=D:\TMP
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 63) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:31:44 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Was it set to D:\TEMP when the install failed ?
|
| If so....... I got another bug to fix. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 64) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:33:35 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Yes....I haven't changed my autoexec.bat in years! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 65) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:36:41 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I set my %TEMP% that way in autoexec.bat way back at
| Arachne ver. 1.4, I think it was.  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 66) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:48:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope.... no bug. :)
|
| Fresh install just done with temp=L:\TEMP (RamDrive)
|
| A whole bunch of files copied to the RamDrive to eat-up space.
|
|
| ************** Note to those who might be upgrading ***************
| |  If you are upgrading an existing installation, existing files  |
| |  will be over-written with their new counterparts.              |
| |  However, existing configuration files will be saved into a     |
| |  backup directory. (also hotlist.htm and quickpad.txt)          |
| |  If you are not comfortable with this arrangement you may       |
| |  prefer to install this upgrade to a new different directory    |
| |  which will leave your present installation undisturbed.        |
| |  (examples of files that will be saved.........                 |
| |  C:\arachne\backup\arachne.cfg, L:\ara\backup\hotlist.htm       |
| *******************************************************************
|
| Do you want to install Arachne WWW browser (version 1.89;GPL) now (y/N)? Yes
| Install Arachne into "c:\arachne" directory (y/N)? No
| Please enter destination directory [c:\arachne]: L:\ARA
| Drive L: has 137216 bytes available. Not enough disk space !
| Please enter destination directory [c:\arachne]:I:\ARA
| Drive I: has 1028456448 bytes available. Ok - using directory "I:\ARA\".
| Please wait while extracting 1253 KB... Done.
|
| Creating backup files...
| ARACHNE.CFG
| LANTCP.CFG
| MIME.CFG
| PPPTCP.CFG
| SECURITY.CFG
| TOOLBAR.CFG
| WATTCP.CFG
| WWWMAN.CFG
|        8 File(s) copied
|        1 File(s) copied
|        1 File(s) copied
|
| Please wait while unpacking files...
| Please wait while flushing disk cache...
| Running Arachne in setup mode...
|
| Arachne V1.89;GPL,386+ is taking off...
|
|
| Arachne V1.89;GPL,386+ has just successfully collapsed to DOS...
|
|
| Setup finished. Type "arachne" to launch configured Arachne WWW browser.
|
|
| Installation finished.
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 67) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:50:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Conclusion #1:
|
| The install _is_ in-fact chacking dosk space on the drive to which we
| attempt to install.
|
| Conclusion #2:
|
| Your failed attempt was due to a Glitch in the Matrix.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 68) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 4:53:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gregy,
|
| I got my monthly email notification the my CitiBankj MasterCard bill was
| available to be viewed/paid online.
|
| Arachne/Lynx worked like a charm..... paid-up for another month. :))
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 69) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:04:43 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   That's not the error message I am referring to.....
| the error message I get is like a pop-up that pops up after
| I type arachne at the DOS prompt and then press ENTER.
| Arachne starts and then.....pop....."Not enough disk space"
| in one of your drives.   <ggg>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 70) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:07:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Aaahhhh.... now I see. 
|
| I was looking at the wrong error.
|
| BRB
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 71) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:07:34 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I was not a glitch....I installed 3 times with the
| same result. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 72) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:10:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Was it this one ?
|
| Disk error
|
| Arachne cannot write temporary files.Possible reasons: 
|
| Hard disk is full - Arachne requires at least 0.5 MB of free disk space to r
| Cache path is invalid. 
| Other hard disk, file system or operating system related error. 
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 73) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:11:01 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   You got that....I was not a glitch!  HAhaHAhaHAhaHAha!
|
| I might be a SOB, but I ain't no GLITCH! <GGGGGG>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 74) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:11:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Or perhaps this one ?
|
| Out of disk space
|
| To save disk space, we recommend that you clean disk cache now. It can
| be useful to delete only cached HTML files, to get the latest versions of
| WWW pages during this session, while using cached copies of images. If
| this won't help, you should either exit Arachne and try to delete obsolete
| files or adjust minimum disk space setting. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 75) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:13:52 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   No, it comes up in a panel/box after Arachne starts
| instead of the HOME page or DIAL page.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 76) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:15:02 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  I think #74 sounds like it.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 77) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:17:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Was it this one ?
|
| file:D:\arachne\system\gui\maintain.ah
|
| Or this one ?
|
| file:D:\arachne\system\gui\err_disk.ah
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 78) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:19:03 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK... #74 is the text on ... file:D:\arachne\system\gui\maintain.ah
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 79) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:20:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| What was your mindisk space setting in arachne.cfg ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 80) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:22:25 pm 
|
| ray>
| I'm goint to give all my new error screens a set of numbers, so that
| if guys don't remember the exact text of some message, they can
| at least report it's number:
|
| :-) X
|
| Error # 123:
|
| Arachne was unable ....
|
|
|
| Once you've got the number, the need to quote the page/message 
| at length is removed.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 81) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:22:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nevermind.... that was a fresh install so it was using the default
| setting in core.exe because you had not done the setup yet to alter it
| from the default.
|
| BRB
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 82) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:23:46 pm 
|
| ray>
| Seems to me the first thing to try is the older version. If that 
| installs OK, then the trouble must be with the new version, not with
| some other of Eric's files or setup.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 83) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:25:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| There's the cause.........
|
|  value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"MinDiskSpace",NULL);
|  if(value)
|   user_interface.mindiskspace=atol(value)*1024;
|  else
|   user_interface.mindiskspace=128000l;
|
|
| Since you had only 49kb .... it was less than the default setting of
| 128000 bytes.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 84) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:25:39 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I think it was 128k
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 85) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:26:46 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Required minimum free disk space |_________| KB (on each drive) 
|
|
| If diskspace drops below that level on any drive...
|
| We get that 'warning page'
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 86) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:30:17 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   But when I have 7 megs on D:, and C: is not being
| used,  I shouldn't have to set MINDISKSPACE 48 should I?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 87) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:35:09 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/88k.gif
|
| only 88k available on L:\
|
| Install done from c:\!\a189gpll\a189gpll.exe
|
| Installed to I:\ARA\
|
| After setup... ran Arachne.bat
|
| Result....... http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/88k.gif
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 88) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:36:39 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I knew all along how to stop the error message.
| That is not my point.  A new user should not get that kind
| of error message unless it is going to effect the running of
| Arachne, which with the setup I have it is not pertinent!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 89) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:36:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| MinDiskSpace checks _all_ of the drives.
|
| If any one of them is below that setting... ERR_DISK.AH is displayed
| as a 'friendly warning' that one or more of our drives is low on space.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 90) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:37:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Since we now see that it is not so 'friendly' after-all.
|
| We gonna fix that. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 91) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 5:54:45 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Fixed it.
|
| --- in urlovrl.c ---
|
| #ifndef POSIX
| //!!glennmcc: Mar 18, 2006 -- check the drive containing 'cachepath'
|  cachefull=lastdiskspace(cachepath)<user_interface.mindiskspace;
| // cachefull=lastdiskspace(cacheitem->locname)<user_interface.mindiskspace;
| #endif
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 92) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 7:09:26 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Been doing some 'customization' for an old friend the last couple of days.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/prtscr.gif
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 93) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 7:41:55 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Boy am I pissed!  I was writing a page to link to
| all the *.AH pages and when I tried to load FTPLOGIN.AH, Arachne
| locked up!  I lost all my work.....S**T!  Did that lockup
| happen because of that darn stylesheet CSS stuff?  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 94) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 7:46:00 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  Does that new button on the toolbar in #92 do something
| that can't be done with a key press?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 95) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 7:46:09 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Was it 'locked-up' for-sure ... or was the cursor simply in the 1st text
| input box just like it used to be on mail.htm
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 96) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 7:47:42 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope.... nothing different... just now allows us to 'Click' a toolbar
| button to do a screen capture (Print Screen key)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 97) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:00:13 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     It was locked solid....keyboard dead!   I just took out
| the CSS/style sheet stuff and it worked fine.  I don't think I have any
| CSS keyword in my arachne.cfg......It locked up trying to load. It
| never got loaded.  Had that adjusting frames message at the bottom
| of the page.   I think that page is what you just worked on, or was
| that another FTP page.  If CSS stuff makes it lockup then maybe the
| CSS shouldn't be on that page? <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 98) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:11:32 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Do you mean this line ?
|
| <link rel="stylesheet" href="file://skin.css">
|
| All that does is change the color of the 'top bar'.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 99) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:12:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Wjich version of core.exe were you running at the time ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 100) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:15:55 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| BTW,
|
| If you want a page that links all of the .AH files.
|
| Simply type this into your URL bar and press enter.
|
| file:system\gui\*.ah
|
|
| There 'ya go... all the .AH files.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 101) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:18:45 pm 
|
| ray>
| wadayamean it checks all disks? It checks the cache disk.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 102) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:21:28 pm 
|
| ray>
| Or the local disk ... hmmm ... your fix is logical. Who cares how much
| space is on the local disk, it is the cache that is prone to fill up.
| Nice call.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 103) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:24:19 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Thanks.... I thoght so too. ;-)
|
| re: "wadayamean it checks all disks? It checks the cache disk."
|
| Yep... it does now. <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 104) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:35:16 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I was running my standard setup of 1.89....but I
| don't see any CSS keyword in the arachne.cfg.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 105) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:38:57 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Grab this please..... http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190-0316.zip
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 106) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:40:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"CSS",NULL);
|  if(value && toupper(*value)=='N')
|   user_interface.css=0;
|  else
|   user_interface.css=1;
|
|
| Which means... no CSS Yes/No line in arachne.cfg == CSS Yes
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 107) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:45:22 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I figured there must be an easier way...<ggg>
| That wwwman  does nice work.  Not the same as the page I lost
| but sure works nicely...and...a lot easier!  Thanks!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 108) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:47:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Betcha dollars to donuts that this is what happened that caused that lockup.
|
| --- clipped from your post #4 ---
| "Somehow randomly it seems, Arachne likes to eat memory.
| It's like She gets a craving for a few bits every now and then!"
| ____________
|
|
| Joe fixed that little memory craving, and his fix is in v1.90
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 109) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:48:47 pm 
|
| ray>
| That's the beauty of my 'config.log', you can always see what's
| happening regardless of if the keyword is set explicitly, or by 
| default.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 110) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:48:50 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re: 190-0316
| glennmcc,    I already got it.....unless you just changed it.   Just
| not using it.   Too many reinstalls today!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 111) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:51:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| So... what's wrong with your 'core swap diskette' ?
|
| Did your 'A' drive break-down ???? <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 112) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:56:25 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| looking at that stuff in urlovrl, seems to me the cache is supposed to
| turn itself over if it gets full. Looks like it should delete the
| current biggest thing to make room, so the cache should never fill up
| unless the thing to be loaded is so big that it overflows the 
| cache all by itself.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 113) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 8:57:40 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    It was the maintain.ah page that popped up saying
| "Out of Space".
|  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 114) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 9:03:08 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Guys,   I think the error that can/has occurred is if the cache
| space is getting low and it tries to load something big enough to
| overload the cache it can cause a lockup/reboot.  It should
| check the cache against the size of the file it is loading
| but sometimes I think it doesn't know the size of the file
| it is downloading.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 115) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 9:06:26 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| A gift for Eric. :))
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 116) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 9:07:31 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Shrewd. There is a 'knowsize' variable or two, so to I think you are
| right, maybe is those cases is just has to press on and hope for the
| best.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 117) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 9:07:57 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  Re: #111 - Core swap diskette is working fine....
| My arm and neck are just sore from bending over and swaping
| disks.  After a consecutive reinstalls I get lazy and just 
| load the old 2 reliable 2 dsk setup!  <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 118) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 9:10:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Yep.... upon 1st start ... err_disk.ah displayed when disk space was too low
|
| Each consecutive start displayed maintain.ah
|
| My 'fix' got rid of both of those.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 119) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 9:13:08 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   What's special about that gift?  I started to download
| it and saw it's size...aborted...to make sure I had the space....
| I assume it's an EXE install disk?  Right/Wrong?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 120) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 9:16:13 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That my good sir, is a whole brand new SFX package of v1.90
|
| You can now do fresh installs to your hearts content...
| but of v1.90 not v1.89 :))
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 121) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 9:18:58 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Has that got 190-0316 in it?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 122) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 9:19:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| This is the core.exe in that pakage....
|
|
|  Volume in drive E is MCCORKLE_03
|  Directory of  E:\ARACHNE\SFX\ARACHNE
|
| CORE     EXE   441088  3-18-06 10:57p
|         1 File(s)  48537600 bytes free
|
|
| Yep.... fresh compile 22min ago. :))
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 123) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 9:22:20 pm 
|
| Eric>
| So it's got the latest and graetest fixes in it.....great......
| thanks a lot.....makes life easier! <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 124) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 9:24:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ooooohhh.. You are most welcome... very pleased to be of assistance. :)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 125) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 9:38:31 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| For anyone who needs just core.exe...
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190-0318.zip
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 126) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 9:43:40 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re: #50 reposted below:
|
| Questions:
|
| 1. Are BOOTP & WATTCP  compiled inside the core?  If not where are they?
| 2. Since even Bastiaan has been able to use LSPPP, should maybe that
| be made the default setup since it seems less difficult to set up?
| The only difficulty that I have with LSPPP is it's propensity to
| refuse to hang-up the phone line.
| 3. My problem with EPPPD system as it is now defaulted is not so
| much that it doesn't work for me but that it locks up Arachne
| so that no adjustment are possible to get it to work without
| a complete REBOOT!   I don't think that's good advertizing
| for new users.
|
| Eric>
| RE:  A189GPLL.EXE
| glennmcc,    I just tried a fromscratch setup of Arachne on
| my RAMdrive using A189GPLL.  I had to major discouraging
| problems.
| 1. I have over 8 megs free on my RAMdrive but 49 K. on my C:
| HDD so I get an out of disk space error.  I'm not using my
| C: drive so I don't need any more space on it to run Arachne.
| 2. I used your default dialup setup w/epppd. I entered everything
| I was asked to enter. I tried to connect (ALT-D). The first time
| Arachne dialed and then locked up. Nothing would release it except
| CTRL-ALT-DEL. Connection was never made.
| 3. After a complete reinstall, then Arachne refused to dial and 
| locked up!  This is because the first install never hung up the
| modem and left the modem in an unusable state.
| 4. Any new user trying Arachne with these results would be very
| discouraged, it seems to me!
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 127) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 9:51:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Do you have some further questions regarding that stuff ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 128) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 10:32:40 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc, Sorry I was busy away from the computer for a while......
| also my gift was downloading <ggg>.  When you say "stuff" I guess
| you mean BOOTP and WATTCP, right?   I found sources for both at
| UofM.edu, but only a compiled EXE of BOOTP.EXE.   It used different
| keywords than Arachne so I assume they must be custom compiled for
| the application they are to be used with....right?   And since
| I don't see then in our package, I deduced they might be compile
| in the core.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 129) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 10:44:38 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...Re:  "EPPPD causes lockup".....well that's the opposite of what
| I experience.....<g>.....it's LSPPP that causes "lockup/REBOOT" here..
| ...<g>
| ..
| And...LSPPP can be your default dialer....you don't need to default to
| Miniterm/EPPPD....
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 130) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 10:56:11 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   When you run LSPPP stand alone from the CMND LINE....
| What happens......what do you get in ENV?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 131) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 11:02:12 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   I thought maybe you were out riding Bear.....
| LSPPP run from the cmndline doesn't lockup on you, does it?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 132) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 11:07:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   Maybe you want to get my custom install package glennmcc
| just made or at least 190-0318 core.....see #125 and #114 or 115...
| (I'm not showing enough posts to get the post #).
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 133) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 11:09:18 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...got that 0318...ty.....is that the core that you put in Eric's
| distro, too...??
| ...
| Re:  PrtScr.....hmmmmm....well...I never use the button on the toolbar,
| for the "LoadImages" (INSERT is so much easier)....and so..I don't think
| it makes much difference for me....or for most Arachne Users...I think
| most of us use that INSERT key....and....clicking for PrtScr won't be
| used....that PrtScr key on the top row above the arrow keys is so much
| more convenient.....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 134) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 11:11:08 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...LSPPP from the CLI...hmmmm...I don't know...I NEVER mess with
| LSPPP anymore...but...as soon as I get time/courage to mess with it,
| again, I'll try it and let you know.....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 135) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 11:12:16 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy, That's #115 for a190eric.zip.....about 1.3 megs....replacement
| for my a189gpll.exe install program.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 136) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 11:18:43 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    If you setup LSPPP.CFG correctly, then LSPPP from
| CMNDLINE should give you something, I think....it make a 
| connection here.  I can't ever remember LSPPP causing me a 
| lockup.....except....maybe if the modem didn't hangup previously....
| even then....I don't really remember any lockups with LSPPP.
| But....then again...I do forget a thing or two in maybe 20 yrs. <ggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 137) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 11:41:29 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   I just connected with LSPPP.
|
| 1. LSPPP.EXE and LSPPP.CFG, I copied to D:\lsppp\.
| 2. I switched to directory D:\lsppp\
| 3. I typed lsppp and pressed ENTER.
| 4. LSPPP created IP-UP.bat
| 5. I ran IP-UP.bat
| 6. I cd'd to d:\arachne\
| 7. I loaded my editor with arachne.cfg and changed connection line,
| the 2nd line of arachne.cfg, to CONNECTION READY.
| 8. I typed arachne and pressed ENTER.
| 9. Arachne started and it was connected and I loaded this board and
| I'm writing this message.
|
| Try it, you might like it!  <ggggg>
|   
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 138) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 11:45:06 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   I'll send you my lsppp.cfg if you want. <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 139) Sat, Mar 18, 2006 - 11:52:23 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re:  #109
| Ray,   It is nice that your core spits out all the keywords to
| the config.log along with their settings. That can be very
| helpful and speed up the debuging process. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 140) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 12:25:13 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...137....yes...I might like it....when I again get around to 
| trying to fight it out....but....that'll be quite some time from now..
| ...
| ..listen....I fought that thing 6-8 different times...after being told
| ...(repeatedly, over a long period of time)..."It's okay, now..you can
| make it work, now."  After trying, waiting, trying, waiting...those
| many times (each time involved a long struggly), I'm not
| willing/prepared to undertake the battle again....at least, not in the
| foreseeable future...
| ...
| ..so much for gregy and LSPPP.......<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 141) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 1:00:22 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   I think I know how you feel....but.....
| 1. It only takes about 2 min to write the LSPPP.CFG file
| 2. 2 min. to change one line in arachne.cfg
| 3. 3 minutes to run the steps as in #137
|
| So, maybe it will not work,  youv'e only spent 10 min.....you have
| all the files there except lsppp.cfg and I'll send you mine to copy.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 142) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 1:18:30 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    If  LSPPP.EXE makes IP-UP.bat for you then you have your
| file to adapt for placing things in your ENV.  <ggg>  I thought
| from your previous posts that you wanted something like that. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 143) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 3:04:06 am 
|
| gregy>
| ah...Eric...yes...but...BUT ...I want it using Miniterm/EPPPD...<g g g>
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 144) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 3:04:49 am 
|
| gregy>
| Has anyone here tried to use one of these..??
|
| http://www.adr.de/speicherplatz/cs/dosfax.htm
| http://www.adr.de/speicherplatz/cs/dosfax_e.htm
|
| http://www.adr.de/speicherplatz/cs/dosfax.zip
| http://www.adr.de/speicherplatz/cs/fax103.exe
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 145) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 8:39:26 am 
|
| ray>
| Gregy, 
|
| Eric's right. Once you get used to the fact that lsppp.exe is
| a stand alone program and run it from the command line, then run ip-up,
| then check your environment and make any changes you might need etc.
| etc. *then* start Arachne, the chances of a hang are minimal, and
| because you do things in two stages, any problems are much easier to
| track down.
|
| Eric,
|
| bootp.exe isn't compiled into core only the wattcp stack is.
| lsppp.exe has BOOTP functionality built into it, however, I suspect
| that bootp.exe might be another possible connection program that
| might be a replacement for lsppp if you use BOOTP, as I do.
| If you have a copy would you sent one to me please, else I'll try to
| dig it up at UofM.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 146) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 12:23:15 pm 
| URL
|
| Eric>
| Re: Wattcp 
| Ray,  Here it is...
|
| http://www.umich.edu/~archive/msdos/communications/wattcp/
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 147) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 12:31:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| Thanks Eric.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 148) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 5:54:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I don't think it will do much for us, it seems to need a separate
| packet driver.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 149) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 6:38:34 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Been playing with CSS over on my board.
|
| See how like the results. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 150) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 6:40:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| body { background-image: url("milaback.jpg"); background-color: #555555;
| text-decoration: none; color: #ffffff;}
|
| Since Arachne does not yet recognise......
|
| background-image: url("milaback.jpg");
|
| Hadda' do that in the body tag.
|
| <body background="milaback.jpg">
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 151) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 7:25:56 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I'd be glad to ck it out....post the URL. <ggg>   
| You know how lazy I am.....<ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 152) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 7:28:48 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Did you try the popdump from that Umich.edu package?
| I can't seem to make it work. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 153) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 7:32:27 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    BTW,  the popdump was in the apps.zip package.
| Also,   did you read the readme file....I thought it was pretty good
| info.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 154) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 7:36:17 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| For 'lazy' <ggg> ....... http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 155) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 7:37:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Be sure to have 'BGimages Yes' and load the images. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 156) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 7:39:22 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| No BGimages line in arachne.cfg == 'BGimages Yes'
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 157) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 7:51:08 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    You know I have images off, right? <ggg>   Am I  s'posed
| to see Mila in the background?   I do like the "King of the Hill"
| picture that Mila's page linked to.  <ggg>   You page just looked
| gray to me and harder to read than this one.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 158) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 7:59:00 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     I got that anemic picture of Mila in my cache....but....
| I don't see her on your page. <ggg>   I do see GIFs at bottom of page. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 159) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 8:02:01 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     Is that a before picture from her Orthodontist?
| Her bottom teeth are crooked!  <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 160) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 8:02:33 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Do you have a 'BGimages' line in arachne.cfg ?
|
| Does it say... 'Yes' ???
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 161) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 8:05:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Is that better now before loading the images ?
| (black background)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 162) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 8:06:32 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  I put BGimages Yes   as the first line in arachne.cfg
| Mila's image didn't get converted to BMP so I probably need something 
| else turned on......OH YA....I have to repair mime.cfg where I broke
| it on purpose to avoid this kind of stuff! <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 163) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 8:17:17 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I don't know if I can take it....looks like she is
| coming to get me!  It is very hard to see the white lettering where it
| passes over her nose.   This isn't the best monitor that I am using
| so don't change things just on my comments!  BTW, she does have
| piercing blue eyes, eh? <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 164) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 8:22:08 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Yes,  black background does work best on this monitor! 
| But,  I'm only one guinea-mouse. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 165) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 8:42:09 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     You know, I just dawned on me, Mila looks like
| my former wife when she was coming to get me, teeth and all!
| And....it wasn't for sex!   I was moving fast to stay out
| of her reach....I don't hit women.....but I also don't
| stand still and let them abuse me!  <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 166) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 9:18:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Sounds pretty scary.
|
| But I'll bet that wasn't as scary as the new backgound image. <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 167) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 9:26:51 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    You got me.....Is that you.....at least your smiling! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 168) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:02:38 pm 
|
| ray>
| My core won't show it :( 
|
| Eric, you mentioned that you had to change something in mime.cfg
| what was it? Maybe that's my trouble too, but it sound unlikely since
| I use the same mime for all cores and 1.89 had no trouble.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 169) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:08:12 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I switched it back to milaback.jpg
|
| Is your core not showing any background images ?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 170) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:09:02 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/milaback.jpg
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 171) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:23:08 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yep, she's there now.
|
| BTW, I looked at the source and this is funny: When I download
| using 1.89 I get a different source than using mine:
|
| 1.89:
| <body background="milaback.jpg" bgcolor=black text=white>
|
| mine:
| <body>
|
| Now it seems to me that the html text is always downloaded verbatim,
| no? And that renedering problems might happen, but the text itself
| should be the same regardless of who/how it's downloaded no?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 172) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:32:12 pm 
|
| ray>
| Theres another thing:
|
| at line 63 I download: 
| ><textarea>
|
| 189 downloads:
| wrap=1><textarea>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 173) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:38:05 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The differences are because you took 'xChaos' out of your useragent string.
|
| --- clipped from my the php code on my board ---
|
| <snip>
|
| $user_agent = getenv(http_user_agent);
| if(ereg("xChaos", $user_agent))
| echo"<body background=\"milaback.jpg\" bgcolor=black text=white>";
| else
| echo"<body>";
|
| <snip>
|
| if(ereg("xChaos", $user_agent))
| echo"wrap=1";
| echo
| "></textarea>";
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 174) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:40:47 pm 
|
| ray>
| When I edit the html manualy and fix it, it she shows just fine, so
| the html is being rendered properly it's just being fouled up
| during download! How in heck is that happening?
|
| This goes back at least as far as base5c.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 175) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:42:20 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh ... that's simple ;-) 
|
| Now the better question is 'why did I do that?' ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 176) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:43:12 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| My board sends the plain-jane version to most visitors.... and the
| 'special version' to those visiting with Arachne.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 177) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:45:01 pm 
|
| ray>
| think think think ... there was a reason, a good reason ...
| damn, it's slowly floating to the top ... someone had some trouble
| with the word 'chaos'??? was that it?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 178) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:46:03 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| What does this show you when using your core ?
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/useragnt.php
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 179) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:47:19 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| This what I get.......
|
| What is my UserAgent ?
|
| Your UserAgent string is............ 
| xChaos_Arachne/5.1.91;UE11 (www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/)
|
| In addition.........
|
| Your IP address is............ 
|
| 68.21.134.161 
|
| and your HostName is............ 
| adsl-68-21-134-161.dsl.yntwoh.ameritech.net 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 180) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:49:54 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmm, well the favoritism is quite justified! 
| BTW I have a niece with eyes as pretty as Mila's.
|
| Oh, on another topic: why is it than when we hang up with 'arachne -u'
| on the line, a 'termin 0x60' is executed, but when we hangup
| internaly it isn't? I found out that there is at least some trouble
| with that fooling with the CD code -- it refuses to stop complaining
| after an internal hangup, I have to execute a termin before it shuts
| up. This tells me that trouble is afoot when it's not done. Could this
| be part of Gregy's problems with lsppp?
|  
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 181) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:53:30 pm 
|
| ray>
|
| Cut down:
|
| Your UserAgent string is............
| <small>Arachne 1.85:B6b:5x(; 800x600,HiColor; www.arachne.cz)</small>
| Your IP address is............
| 206.172.95.121
| and your HostName is............
| Orleans-ppp42642.sympatico.ca
|
| Pretty magical stuff! How does that data get harvested?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 182) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:53:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| Well, mailman's bed time, g'nite all.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 183) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:57:15 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hanging-up internally does exactly the same as arachne -u
|
| _if_ you have not atered this line in arachne.cfg
|
| Hangup termin.com 0x60>NUL
|
| --- in arachne.bat ---
|
| if (%1) == (-u) goto termin
|
| <snip>
|
| :termin
| termin.com 0x60
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 184) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:58:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: post 181
|
| It's magic... and I'm a magician. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 185) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 11:14:12 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    There is a problem with Arachne hangup....it doesn't
| happen here with my modem...as I have already mentioned before.
| I know there are work arounds but it ought to happen "naturally".
| My line has been tied up many times when I thought Arachne had 
| hung up the phone but she did NOT!  I don't know why she behaves
| that way but the fact is she likes to hog the line. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 186) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 11:21:09 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Re: #168 - I comment out JPEG conversion lines in my mime.cfg
| because I don't need it and it takes too long!  I have done it for
| so long I forget I did it! <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 187) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 11:54:36 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ah...then is was that "Special Version" that I was just seeing...???
| ...
| hmmmm....I feel blessed.....<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 188) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 12:01:20 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,     Maybe it's not meant to be a blessing......Maybe he's
| trying to punish us......<gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 189) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 12:05:50 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...hmmmm...well, I had BGImages Yes....and it still worked fine..
| ...<g g g>
| ...is that that roooooseeeaaannn broad....the one who's enticing all the
| "studs-on-the-net"....???
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 190) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 12:06:32 am 
|
| gregy>
| <bump>...Eric...<g g g>....he he...well, she don't punish me....<g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 191) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 12:17:54 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric....that bgpic seems to be either a "treat" or a "treatment" which
| ever way you wanna take it....<g g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 192) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 12:37:05 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    But you don't understand...he changes the picture....he had
| one of himself on before....hundreds of them.....little pocket photo...
| repeated and reapeated ad infinitum! <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 193) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 7:08:59 am 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Nope, she don't termin with the internal hangup. Do an internal
| hangup, then termin from the command line and you should see it.
| That's the fact here for sure. The hangup code in protocol.c 
| creates a roura that lacks any mention of termin, and the .bat doesn't
| do it neither. I'll check again with your core, but with mine
| it's certain.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 194) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 8:01:02 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hmmm, strange.
|
| ---- undeleted copy of $roara$.bat after hanging-up via Atl+H ---
|
| @termin.com 0x60>NUL
| if exist PPP.LOG del PPP.LOG
| @arachne -c
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 195) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 8:10:09 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| And now via hitting the hangup button on pppenhan.htm
|
| @termin.com 0x60>NUL
| if exist PPP.LOG del PPP.LOG
| @arachne -c
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 196) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 9:19:49 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to the hangup code in porocaol.c
|
|
|   if(!strcmpi(url->file,"hangup"))
|   {
|    char buf[IE_MAXLEN];
|    arachne.target=0; //!!!
|    outs(MSG_HANGUP);
|    if(reg && tcpip)
|     PPPtimelog();
|    process_form(0,IE_NULL); //updateovat Arachne.Cfg
|    sprintf(buf,"%s\nif exist PPP.LOG del PPP.LOG\n",
|        configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"Hangup",NULL));   //did you remove this ?
|
|    value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"ExitOnHangup",NULL);
|    if(!(value && toupper(*value)=='Y'))
|     strcat(buf,"@arachne -c\n");
|    else
|     exitmsg();
|    *returnvalue=willexecute(buf);
|    return GOTO_END;
|   }
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 197) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 2:48:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ok, I surrender. I got it into my old brain that the hangup string
| was some 'ATH ...' thing. A simple check of arachne.cfg and 
| the fog lifts. Pardon the red herring. But there is still something
| funny going on, because that CD check code seems to require that
| termin be run from the command line. I'll check it all again.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 198) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 4:19:07 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Why was there any fog to begin with ?
|
| Did I not say that it _was_ in arachne.cfg ????
|
| Hold on a sec... let me check that.....
|
| Yep.... <ggg>
|
| 183) Sun, Mar 19, 2006 - 10:57:15 pm 
| glennmcc>
| Hanging-up internally does exactly the same as arachne -u
|
| _if_ you have not atered this line in arachne.cfg
|
| Hangup termin.com 0x60>NUL
|
| --- in arachne.bat ---
|
| if (%1) == (-u) goto termin
|
| <snip>
|
| :termin
| termin.com 0x60
|
| ___________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 199) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 4:51:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| The confuzzlement wasn't about the .bat, it was about the 
| construction of the roura, as I said, I forgot that the hangup
| string *is* the call to termin.com, thus it isn't missing and you
| are quite correct, it all boils down to the same thing. Sometimes
| I catch an anomally, sometimes not.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 200) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 4:55:54 pm 
|
| ray>
| As to the CD code, it does seem to detect that the modem isn't 
| quite as happy as it could be at times. I'll keep fiddling with it
| now and then. As I was telling Sarge, it seems quite nice now, I have it
| check the modem at safe times and it works fine, if I disconect my
| phone line, the second I hit a key or restart, I get the CD lost
| page, I like it because it gives you a specific message that the
| hardware is at fault, not something internal to Arachne.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 201) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 5:06:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK, I gotcha now.
|
| It's nice to hear that I'm not the only one who gets confuzzled.
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 202) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 5:10:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now, back to Eric's situation of the modem not actually going 'on hook'
| when termin.com is run to unload the packet driver.
|
| I too have experinced this from time-to-time on some (but not all), modems.
|
| Sending 'ath' to the modem seems to always do the trick to put it back
| on hook.
|
| (at the DOS prompt)
|
| echo ath>com1
|
| (replace com1 with your  port #)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 203) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 5:13:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Here's another method
|
| --- killmod.bat ---
| @ECHO OFF
| COMTOOL 1 ^b2 ATH ^cr ^w10 OK ERROR NONE ^
| If errorlevel 1 goto OFFLINE
| If errorlevel 2 goto ERROR
| COMTOOL 1 ^b2 +++ ^w10 OK ERROR NONE ^
| If errorlevel 1 goto ONLINE
| If errorlevel 2 goto ERROR
| Echo No Answer !
| Goto END
| :ERROR
| Echo I Heard ERROR !
| Goto END
| :OFFLINE
| Echo It was ALREADY OFFLINE !
| Goto END
| :OnLINE
| COMTOOL 1 ^b2 ATH ^cr ^w10 OK ERROR NONE ^
| If NOT errorlevel 1 goto ERROR
| Echo It was ONLINE and now it is OFF !
| :END
| ___________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 204) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 5:16:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Either of those methods hangs-up the modem but does _not_ unload the
| packet driver.
|
| We must still execute termin.com 0x60 to unload epppd.exe or lsppp.exe
| from memory.
| (alternate method to termin.com for lsppp.......... lsppp.exe /u)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 205) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 5:17:05 pm 
|
| ray>
| Perhaps the issue is timing. As we now see, the internal and 
| external routines are nominaly the same, but I only got the CD
| error hanging up internaly. Could it be that termin.com needs
| a bit of time (as it would get on the command line) to sort itself
| out, or for the hardware to finish doing what it does, before 
| other commands can be run?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 206) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 5:18:49 pm 
|
| ray>
| I wonder if mark/release would work. Brutal but it is assured to
| remove the TSR.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 207) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 5:27:10 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I don't think the problem lies with temin.com or how it is run or
| timing... etc... etc...
|
| The packet driver is unloading, and that's all that termin.com is
| designed to do.
|
| The problem seems to be simply that some modems, under some conditions,
| do not go back on-hook by simply unloading the packet driver that is
| currently using that modem.
|
| We must therefore 'force' the modem on-hook with 'ATH'
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 208) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 5:30:02 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Try this just-for-hellofit in arachne.cfg
|
| Hangup echo ath>com1 \n termin.com 0x60
|
| Now hit Alt+H
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 209) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 5:37:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oops, sorry ... forgot the '@' symbol.
|
| Hangup @echo ath>com1 \n termin.com 0x60
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 210) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 7:42:27 pm 
|
| ray>
| Don't work here. The ATH is ignored.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 211) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 8:00:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hmmm..
|
| I thought 'ATH' was universally understood by all modems as the hangup comma
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 212) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 8:26:16 pm 
|
| ray>
| I figure it is, but it just doesn't happen, seems to me that the
| packet driver somehow blinds the modem to AT commands. Does it
| work there?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 213) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 8:35:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Can't test it here.
|
| This PCI modem is not on a Comm port
|
| I must access it via its base port address and IRQ
|
| If your suspician is correct about the packet driver blocking the AT
| commands.
|
| Try reversing it and sending the AT command after unloading the packet drive
|
| Hangup @termin.com 0x60>NUL \n echo ath>com1
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 214) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 8:36:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Also try running killmod.bat to see if comtool.com can do a 'forced hangup'
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 215) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 8:49:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| Spoke too soon: the ath>com2 doesn't infact hang up, and the modem
| continues to hiss and Arachne continues to think she is connected,
| but nothing gets through. The CD page does not activate. So the 
| ath clearly fouls up something. as to doing it in reverce order,
| there's no need since I find termin works every time.
| I'll try killmod now ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 216) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 8:55:49 pm 
|
| ray>
| It just hangs forlornly until I CTRL+BREAK. I changed COMTOOL 1 to 2
| (figure that's com 2) and same result.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 217) Mon, Mar 20, 2006 - 9:31:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| So... it looks like your theory is correct.
|
| The packet driver seems to be blocking the AT commands, otherwise
| ATH issued via comtool or the commnd line redirect would have taken the
| modem on-hook.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 218) Tue, Mar 21, 2006 - 1:59:52 am 
|
| gregy>
| guys...NOTE - I have NEVER had a non-hangup ALT-H response....on either
| of my boxes.  This is using Miniterm/EPPPD.
| ..
| However, on my P133, I can't see the modem lights as it's internat...
| ...
| So, I went to my 486 box (which has an external modem..and it's located
| where I'm staring right at the LEDs on the modem)....
| ...
| I ALT-Ded to dial/connect.....once connected, I did "ESC" (ALT-X does
| give the same response) which collapsed Arachne to the original CLI,
| with the usual "arachne -r" and "arachne -u" options....
| ...
| At this point, I typed:
| termin 0x60 <enter>
| ...
| Results were that "termin" immediately knocked down the modem (evidenced
| by the LEDs winking OFF)...and I presume it also unloaded the packet
| driver....but...for SURE...it knocked the modem offline (i.e. hangup)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 219) Tue, Mar 21, 2006 - 3:56:14 am 
|
| gregy>
| Oh, and also....ALT-H always DOES hangup the phoneline....
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 220) Tue, Mar 21, 2006 - 8:20:29 am 
|
| ray>
| Gregy, but can you hangup with 'echo ath>your com port?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 221) Tue, Mar 21, 2006 - 8:26:28 am 
|
| ray>
| Looks to me like the situation is very subtle, ath doesn't 
| hang up but it does foul the connection, ditto with comtool. Also,
| the CD break code starts bitching when termin is not executed from the
| command line and the CD code *doesn't* detect that anything is wrong
| when ath has fouled the connection -- perhaps because the modem is
| still hissing, ie still things it's working. So what exactly does
| the ath command suceed in doing? It does *something* even if not what
| it's supposed to do. Most currious.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 222) Tue, Mar 21, 2006 - 1:25:31 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| I removed the 'deleting ...' message entirely from my popget and I
| love it, now I get a nice, unbroken 'progress' display, much nicer.
| As you either said or imtimated a while ago, there are too many
| pointless status line messages. I appreciate that XCH was trying to
| be thorough but he went too far.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 223) Tue, Mar 21, 2006 - 4:30:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Suggestion...
|
| Let's continue writing _all_ of the messages into pop3.log when the
| option is chosen to create it.
|
| But let's do as you have done and eliminate all but those that would be
| of interest to the 'average user' from the status line.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 224) Tue, Mar 21, 2006 - 7:54:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| Exactly. The log *must* be absolutely complete to do it's job
| correctly, the status line is there to provide user friendly
| information. I hope I've achieved that with ftp.log too -- complete
| transaction information.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 225) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 4:22:53 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....delayed question....did that 190-0318 core include the upgrade
| you mentioned of allowing 512-lines in ARACHNE.CFG...instead of the
| current only 256-lines.....????
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 226) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 5:00:42 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope.... decided against that change.
|
| It's still 256
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 227) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 8:15:39 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy, 
|
| Why would you need a 512 line .cfg? Remember, that whole file ends
| up loaded into xswap so it should be as trim as practicable.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 228) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 9:55:11 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....okay...I thought otherwise, since you had said you were doing
| it....
| ...
| Ray....because, due to my requirement to have 4-sets of DNSnumbers, 2
| sets of phone numbers (and maybe more, if I use the 1-800line, and 2+
| email addresses, and...and.....that's why my ARACHNE.CFG (and .ACFs)
| have more than 256....however, it is possible to trim them down, which
| I have done....and run with "just the meat" of them there (no comments,
| etc)......so...THAT's why more-than-256 was desirable....
| ...
| Howevr....AFAIK...190 does NOT have its .CFG "loaded into xswap"...so
| that doesn't pertain....and....anyway...I've got up to 96Mbytes of xswap
| if Arachne will use that much....
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 229) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 10:00:06 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Ha! Another reason why I think you'd like my core, you don't have
| to have all that stuff in the .cfg anyway. But, unless Glenn has
| done something radical, arachne.cfg is always in memory. Otherwise
| the options pages wouldn't work, nor any other page where you can'
| set a .cfg value, eg. the mail page.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 230) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 10:01:11 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...Re:...Miniterm/EPPPD is not a "standalone" dialer/driver...but..
| that's only the way we have it setup to use with Arachne....remember,
| there is a whole lot of subtle addaptation/modification gone into
| getting that Arachne/Dialer/PacketDriver to be as IdiotProof as possible
| for Arachne NewUsers...
| ...
| The Miniterm/EPPPD combo IS "standalone" whenever you want to run it
| that way....to prove/test this....just do normal Arachne dialup/connect
| (using MTerm/EPPPD), then "ALT-X" or "ESC" to collapse Arachne (without
| doing the "arachne -u") and you are left at a CLI with a "standalone"
| phoneline/Inet-connection looking you square in the face, which any
| INet app can then use...
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 231) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 10:02:11 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  Why is the name of the core and/or the date of the core
| not compiled inside it?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 232) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 10:05:19 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray..."in memory"...I have to differ with you....the OPTIONS pages (and
| etc) write directly to the .CFGs on the HDD (or RAMdisk, if you've got
| Arachne there)....I mean....ARACHNE.CFG may be constantly loaded into
| xswap...but the effects of making "options changes" are immediately
| recorded into the "hard-copy .CFG"....and...anyway....even if Arachne
| keeps its .CFG loaded in xswap....I mean, come-on....<g g g>...256+bytes
| in 96Mbytes...???  he he...it's LOST in there.....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 233) Wed, Mar 22, 2006 - 10:06:08 pm 
|
| gregy>
| <bump...Ray and Eric>.....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 234) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 10:47:37 am 
|
| ray>
|
| Gregy,
|
| Sorry Sarge, any writes to the .cfg must be made via the internal editor
| using xswap -- mind your main point is correct, which is that
| this is then written to disk promptly. As to the connection stuff,
| you are quite right, the standard method is better for beginners,
| and should remain as it is, but mine is better for advanced users,
| or for people who need to do something not quite 'normal'.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 235) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 11:34:20 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| It is in there. The version string has to be in core else how could
| core print it? ... well it could be done via the environment, but
| it isn't. Using a text editor you should be able to find the
| version string, mine anyway. As I recall, Glenn's version string
| is cobbled together from little bits, so it probably doesn't exist
| as one continuous line.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 236) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 11:43:02 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, Gregy,     The "standard" method isn't better if the beginners
| give up before they can get connected.  It's would be nice if a decent
| poll could be taken of the ways that Arachne users are connecting
| to the internet. From what I have been able to discern it seems a
| large number have switched to a lsppp method. There must be some
| reason the switch.  If the standard method was so good then why
| would they switch to a lsppp method.     
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 237) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 11:54:03 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I didn't ask you. <ggg>   I was looking at glennmcc's core.><ggg>
| But, since your here,  Is the date, and name (just like named in your
| directory) in your core.  As I remember, without checking right now, it
| seems to me that the name was slightly different than what you used as
| the "version name".  That was one thing that confused me because in 
| one it was "6B" and in the other it was "B6".
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 238) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 12:15:52 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I just looked for it in core from BUILD2Q.zip and I can't find
| a version number or date.  Maybe I missed it.  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 239) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 12:23:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| Mornin' Eric,
|
| I think what we mean by 'standard method' isn't epppd vs. lsppp
| but rather the way Glenn's core uses keywords to configure the
| packet driver vs. my way of putting it all in a batchfile. Still,
| I take your point, and once more people have tried my way, I am
| optimistic that more people will like it.
|
| As to the other, sorry for butting in but the answer is the same
| for both cores. As to names, I'm not sure I follow you exactly,
| however you can find my version string verbatim in the core, right now
| "Arachne 1.85:B6b:6g" and yes, it is a bit confusing: 'B6'
| means 'base 6' "6b" means 'build 6b' clear as mud I know, but
| my systems here depend on these letter/number sequences, all that
| matters to the end user is the last two numbers, the 'build' number.
| FWIW:
|
| Arachne 1.85:B6b:6g means:
|
| Arachne ... duh
| 1.85    ... synchronized/updated to Glenn's 1.85
| B6b     ... code base is 6b
| 6g      ... sequential build number is 6g.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 240) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 12:28:42 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, forgot: 
| Eric, you got Bastiaan up to speed with core swapping didn't you?
| He has a bizzare bug with my core where if he uses ^R to import
| something into a 'compose' page, the imported text ends up in the
| subject line, of all things. Anyway, I asked him to crosscheck with
| 1.89 and he says he can't so I'm wondering.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 241) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 3:53:19 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  1 st check your copy of Build2Q.zip core and see if you can
| find the version number in it....I couldn't. 2nd you miss my point,
| I think...If you send me a file named BUILD2Q.zip then I expect to
| be able to look into the core.exe with my editor and find:
| File name: Arachne core.exe from BUILD2Q.ZIP compiled on xx/xx/06 
|
| glennmcc has been sending files named like: 190-0318.zip so I would be
| looking for:
| File name: Arachne core.exe from 190_0318.ZIP compiled on 03/18/06
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 242) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:02:49 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,
| Re: Bastiaan   Just because he has a running setup with your core
| in it doesn't mean he is comfortable switching cores back and forth.
| Nor does it mean he has a working setup of 1.89 that he can just
| jump to in order to check for different behaviors. Bastiaan only
| has a working setup because I guided him step by step and stopped
| him from getting lost when he was going astray..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 243) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:04:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:" Why is the name of the core and/or the date of the core
|      not compiled inside it?"
|
| Both of those _are_ compiled-in..... but not in a 'visible' manner.
|
| Since the project file I use is NOKEY.PRJ .... do a search though the
| EXE and you will find ... NOKEY.EXE
|
| The date of the compile is also inside the EXE but in a 2 byte data element.
|
| As I have stated many times in the past........ as soion as you download
| a fresh compiole of mine... delete _all_ prvious copiles.
|
| There ain't no need to keep any previos ones of mine
| like there is with Ray's <gggg>
|
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 244) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:11:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But be that as it may.....
|
| If things would be better for you to have all of what you mention in
| post 241 right inside of the EXE.
|
| No problem... my next compile shall have exactly that. :)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 245) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:33:09 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| RE: 241:
|
| Here's a clip from a hex edit of core.exe:
|
| 00027F20:  00 43 4F 4E-46 49 47 2E-44 41 54 00-6D 69 73 63   CONFIG.DAT misc
| 00027F30:  2E 63 00 74-65 78 74 61-72 65 61 2E-74 6D 70 00  .c textarea.tmp 
| 00027F40:  68 65 61 64-65 72 73 00-2E 68 74 74-00 00 65 72  headers .htt  er
| 00027F50:  72 6F 72 73-2E 63 00 50-50 50 2E 4C-4F 47 00 00  rors.c PPP.LOG  
| 00027F60:  3F 3C 38 34-2D 28 23 1E-38 3F 20 28-73 79 73 74  ?<84-(# 8? (syst
| 00027F70:  65 6D 5C 00-66 69 78 65-64 6E 6E 30-2E 66 6E 74  em\ fixednn0.fnt
| 00027F80:  00 70 72 6F-70 6E 6E 30-2E 66 6E 74-00 00 20 20   propnn0.fnt    
| 00027F90:  3E 3E 3E 00-41 72 61 63-68 6E 65 20-31 2E 38 35  >>> Arachne 1.85
| 00027FA0:  3A 42 36 62-3A 36 67 00-54 72 61 6E-73 66 65 72  :B6b:6g Transfer
| 00027FB0:  20 69 6E 74-65 72 72 75-70 74 65 64-21 00 59 6F   interrupted! Yo
|
| You see the string is there.
|
| But,
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 246) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:35:27 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| File: C:\ARACHNE\CORE.EXE                                      DUMP  (masked
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|  02FFC0    seconds online = %2d:%02d:%02d...Arachne V%s%s%s has just succe  
|  030000   ssfully collapsed to DOS....%s...CachePath....\,..\,..\,..\,..\,  
|  030040   1.90.;GPL,386+.compiled on Mar 23, 2006.http://arachne.cz/..file  
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
|
| How's that look ?
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190_0323.zip
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 247) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:36:20 pm 
|
| ray>
| What you are asking for is a nice, readable string, I see. That could
| be done at the cost of a bit of memory, but it's a strange request
| since few people will hack into and .exe to find such information.
|
| As to the fact that my build numbers often run ahead of my 
| updating of the version string, mea culpa, but I'm getting better
| and trying to remember to never upload anything without that being
| updated.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 248) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:42:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| As to Bastiaan, ok thanks for the clarification, I wasn't sure
| if you got him swapping or not, looks like he's not the type.
|
| Glenn,
|
| Hmmm, you know, I'd go for that too if there was a way of making 
| sure that it was the very first thing stored in the .exe. I wonder
| if that's possible. Seems to me that if you have to go hex hunting
| for it that it's not worth the trouble. With my version strings as
| they are, better to just keep my nose clean and always keep the
| string up to date like Eric wants. You could of course do the same --
| modify your version number to include 'build' like I do.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 249) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:46:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn, 
|
| That reminds me of something you once asked for in my code, namely
| having ver.c back and, darn it, now that I think about it, if 
| I had my version string at my finger tips in that file instead of
| having it in with all the rest of my text messages, updating it 
| would be more convinient and thus done more often.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 250) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:48:23 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ah, waitaminute, you are already doing that, I remember rather liking
| your method.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 251) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:56:02 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| See ????
|
| I _told_ ya so.
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 252) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 4:56:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:" making sure that it was the very first thing stored in the .exe "
|
|
| Hmmmm.... I wonder.
|
| BRB
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 253) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 5:08:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope... that did not work.
|
| Moved version.c to the top of the list in the PRJ
|
| I was hoping that would put it right near the start of the EXE
|
| It only moved the strings up a short distance from where they were before.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 254) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 5:18:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yep, so you did. I never stick to a possition once I'm honestly
| beaten, it's so dumb to put ego before progress. OTOH, I generaly
| don't change my view until I'm honstly convinced.
|
| Your experiment above is assured not to work since the compiler
| doesn't create the .exe in that way. All litteral strings are
| stored in the same segment regardless of which module there in.
| To get an Eric style string into the .exe at the top requires
| magic tricks -- I'll bet Dr. T could do it, maybe Joe too.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 255) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 5:22:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I'll bet that both you and I could figure-out how to do it too. <g>
|
| But I'll futher bet that the new string I put in mine will now conform
| to what Eric is looking for.
|
| If I'm not mistaken.... yours already did.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 256) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 5:23:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| VER.C:
|
| ==========================================================
| MSG(cVER)      "Arachne 1.85:B6b:6g";
| =========================================================
| :-)
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 257) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 5:35:34 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| version.c ;-) <gggg>
|
| #include "arachne.h"
|
| #ifndef CUSTOMER
| char *VER="1.90";
|
| //!!glennmcc: Begin Apr 06, 2003--- NOKEY==GPL now
| #ifndef NOKEY
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
| #ifdef MSDOS
| char *beta=";UE11";          //MS-DOS version is stable
| #else
| char *beta=";beta";    //for other platforms, not even beta....
| #endif
|
| #else
| char *beta=";GPL,386+";//!!glennmcc: Jun 02, 2004 --- added ,386+
| char *ident="compiled on Mar 23, 2006";
| #endif//!!glennmcc: endif for '#ifndef NOKEY' above
|
| #ifdef NOKEY//!!glennmcc: Apr 06,2003 --- NOKEY==GPL now
| char *copyright="";
| #else
| char *copyright="Copyright (c)1996-2002 Michael Polak, Arachne Labs";
| #endif//!!glennmcc: endif
|
| char *homepage="http://arachne.cz/";
|
| #endif
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 258) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 5:58:01 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   What you showed in #246 was an improvement as long as only
| one compilation is done in any given day.  In your case, since you
| have been using eg 190_0318.zip type names the Zip name can be 
| identified with the core version when found in the core as:
|    1.90.;GPL,386+.compiled on Mar 23, 2006
| However, it would be nice if its coresponding ZIP file name were
| included like:  stored in 190_0323.ZIP
| It is unlikely that a year from now you will be compiling any 190
| cores so that a duplication of names would unlikely occur.
| Then I would know what ZIP file any given core I was using came from
| and what file it was stored in.      
|  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 259) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 6:06:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn, my man, our two 'ver.c's' are the perfect exposition of 
| our differences vis. how code should work ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 260) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 7:08:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Better ?
|
| char *ident="compiled on Mar 23, 2006 at 6:55pm EST stored in 190_0323.zip";
|
| char *ident="compiled on Mar 23, 2006 at 8:55pm EST stored in 1900323a.zip";
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 261) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 7:09:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| Touche'
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 262) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 7:16:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| FYI,
|
| These lines get compiled in the 'release version'.
|
| char *VER="1.90";
| char *beta=";GPL,386+";//!!glennmcc: Jun 02, 2004 --- added ,386+
| char *ident="compiled on Mar 23, 2006";
| char *copyright="";
| char *homepage="http://arachne.cz/";
|
|
| And these go into my own 'personal compiles' and those I make for CAV
|
| char *VER="1.90";
| char *beta=";UE11";          //MS-DOS version is stable
| char *copyright="Copyright (c)1996-2002 Michael Polak, Arachne Labs";
| char *homepage="http://arachne.cz/";
|
|
| That's the reason for the difference between yours and mine.
|
| You only make one version.
|
| I make 2 versions.
|
| The release version is GPL and does not read arachne.key
|
| The version for CAV and myself is exactly the same as v1.70;r.3 and before
| in-that it includes all of the code to read our names from arachne.key
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 263) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 7:20:54 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/registrd.gif
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 264) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 7:50:38 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re: #260
| glennmcc,   By George, I think you've got it ! <ggg>
| Concerning its location within the EXE.....it seems that type of info is
| by precident, usually placed at the end of the file.  It seems customary
| to place the name of the file near the beginning like in JPGs GIFs & ZIPs
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
| ============================================================================
|
| 265) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 8:38:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Perfection ?
|
|
| No need to look inside the EXE .... here's the new message that will
| print on-screen when you exit Arachne.
|
|                                                                             
| Arachne V1.90;GPL,386+ Mar 23, 2006 - 10:35pm (1900323a.zip)                
|  has just successfully collapsed to DOS...                                  
|                                                                             
|                                                                             
| Type 'arachne -r' to return to World Wide Web.                              
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 266) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 8:41:35 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/1900323a.zip
|
| And yes... it _is_ compiled with the 'ERIC' define in-place. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 267) Thu, Mar 23, 2006 - 9:56:40 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ah, that's a much better idea, print it for the world to see.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 268) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 1:44:57 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   What does the "ERIC define" mean?
|
| I don't want to have to start/run the core to see what core it is!
| I want to load it into my editor and search for "version" or "arachne
| version" (not "Arachne V") and find myself at:
|
| Arachne Core.exe Version 1.90;GPL,386+ compiled Mar 23, 2006 at 10:35pm
| and archived in 1900323a.zip                     
|
| I think one should be able to identify the core without installing it
| into a working setup.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 269) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 3:29:12 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....hey..."arachne.key"....if I wanted to get snippy...my key is
| (hmmmm....somewhere around here....just a sec...<g g g>...)....around
| here somewhere...<g g g>
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 270) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 3:37:36 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...Eric...."standard" way to dialup/connect.....I mean, the way it
| NOW is (whether using Miniterm/EPPPD or LSPPP) where the whole package
| is "userfriendly" interfaced so that the dialup is a part of Arachne..
| ...but...that's just the way it's set up.....LSPPP can be setup as an
| independent app, run separately from the "Arachne Package" and then
| Arachne can be launched "ConnectionREADY" to make use of the already
| made dialup/connection......Miniterm/EPPPD can be setup exactly the
| same way.....proof....just ALT-X or ESC and do NOT do "arachne -r/-u"
| but go ahead and use some other Inet App to utilize that already done
| dialup/connection.....and....Wizzy has/had a package where MTerm/EPPPD
| was a "standalone" package that you ran to dialup/connect, then you
| could run Inet Apps, and Arachne could be launched "ConnectionREADY"
| just like with LSPPP....so....MTerm/EPPPD is in NO way inferior to the
| LSPPP package.....it some ways I like it more.....and....NO...I do NOT
| intend to get rid of it whenever I (if ever I) finally get LSPPP to work
| around here....I'll keep them both so that I can assist NewUsers in
| getting connected using ANY means whatever....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 271) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 6:02:19 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,  Are you willing to admit that getting Arachne to connect
| and surf is the major complaint/most difficult thing in setting up
| Arachne. Therefore, failure to obtaining a surfing connectiom has
| probably discouraged more potential Arachne users than any other
| aspect of Arachne.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 272) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 6:25:50 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,  My situation seems more complicated than many and I still
| don't totally understand how it works.  The dns1 setup in my
| ENV is different from both my DNS1 & DNS2 in my Arachne.cfg and
| all three (or at least two) are necessary. Without DNSs in my
| arachne.cfg I can not surf. In fact I think it even refused to
| connect.  It appears that my ENV DNS1 is an address for a library
| network which then utilizes the DNSs in the arachne.cfg.  Before
| the library "updated" it didn't work that way. I think I need
| lsppp to retrieve the network DNS1 for the environment during
| the connection process which AFAIK epppd does not do.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 273) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 6:28:53 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric....most people do NOT have trouble connecting with the currently
| setup Arachne package....which is an "integrated" package, with the
| dialup "transparent" to the user.....
| ...
| No...fail to connect is not, for quite some time, the problem most new
| users have with Arachne...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 274) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 6:37:55 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...your ENV DNS values are the ones LSPPP puts in there....you seem
| to be saying those ENV DNSes are "no good"....???...except for some
| kind of connection to an in-library DNServer...??
| ...
| I don't think that's the setup your facing....I get a very confused
| picture when I read your post.
| ...
| I think your library does NOT have its own DNServer.  I don't see any
| reason for anything to need to make "DNS queries" to any of your library
| computers.  Arachne, of course, needs REAL DNServerNumbers, and you
| appear to have those in your ARACHNE.CFG...which you indicate Arachne
| actually uses....not the ENV DNSnumbers.....
| ...you're right...your actual situation IS confuzing....<g g g g>
| ....
| EPPPD does NOT try to "get" the DNSnumbers from anywhere, but just
| uses the ones in ARACHNE.CFG....just as mine does....but...but...I'm
| manually putting my assigned DNSnumbers into my ENV...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 275) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 7:38:38 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:"EPPPD does NOT try to "get" the DNSnumbers from anywhere, but just
| uses the ones in ARACHNE.CFG...."
|
|
| EPPPD does not even use those.
|
| EPPPD does not use _any_ DNSs
|
| It is core.exe (specifically, WATTCPLG.LIB that's compiled inside of core.ex
| that uses them.... not the packet driver.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 276) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 7:40:33 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| The same holds true for Lsppp.
|
| The only this Lsppp does is grab the DNS numbers from the server and
| write them into IP-UP.BAT
|
| From that point on... Lsppp is 'blind' to the DNS numbers.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 277) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 8:17:08 am 
|
| ray>
| On balance I'm with Eric above -- Arachne can be a bitch to get
| connected. I myself very nearly gave up way back when on my first
| efforts to get it running and I'm sure that many, many people have
| thought of using Arachne and given up after a failure to connect.
|
| Eric,
|
| This stuff with your connection, as you showed me your settup 
| when you were using my core, it didn't seem that out of the ordinary.
|
| Gregy,
|
| I like your summary of the situation above except that I'd point
| out that connection is *always* 'standalone' the only question is
| the method by which the values are sent to the packet driver/dialer.
| In all cases she quits, runs a batchfile and restarts. With my
| method the batchfile involved is hand made and can be run from the
| command line, with the standard method the batchifle is a 'roura' --
| created, run and destroyed. You have to undelete it to see what
| happened.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 278) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 9:20:32 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| I have yet to hear of a so much as single user who could not get
| connected on the very first try..... IF .... IF .... they followed the
| instructions EXACTLY AS GIVEN step by step without varying from tose
| instructions.
|
| IF however they do not follow those instructions EXACTLY AS GIVEN....
| yes, they have problems.
|
| This is not a 'fault' in Arachne..... it _IS_ a fault in that particular
| users ability to follow instructions.
|
| Do you reecall all of those many, many emails back-and-forth on the
| mailing lists between myself, you, Joe, Wizzy and several others
| trying to figure-out whhat was going wrong with Greg Mayman's situation
| that was preventing him from getting things working ?
|
| He FINALLY admitted that he was not following our instructions
| as we had given them to him many, many times.
| He was skipping steps along the way and doing other steps differently
| than we had instructed him to.
|
| Once we FINNALLY pressed the point and got him to follow our instruction
| EXACTLY AS GIVEN .... no problem... he was connected and running
| PERFECTLY on the very first try of doing it EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED.
|
| The bottom line...... DO EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED and it works perfectly.
|
| If however, you refuse to DO EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED.....
| don't BITCH when it don't work.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 279) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 9:43:18 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I did exactly as instructed and I can not get
| connected with epppd using the directions. And I'm no
| newbie!  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 280) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 10:50:23 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    You're right that many (read most, it seems) have a
| hard time following instructions exactly.....but.....sometimes
| the instructions are clear to the giver and not to the receiver.
| If I put you in front of a piano and tell you to play a C major
| scale of one octave....You might do it for me exactly or you
| might not....depends how much musical training you have had
| and whether you understand the meaning of the musical vocabulary.
| The same will happen if I put you in front of a computer and
| tell you to press CTRL-M.  If you are computer savy you will
| hold down CTRL key and press M once and release it.  If you 
| are not so savy, you may press CTRL...release it...press M...
| release it.  OR, hold down CTRL and hold down M, waiting for
| something to happen. Fool proof directions are impossible
| to give/write because the fools think faster than the
| direction giver and fool the giver all the time. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 281) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 11:06:57 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| YES, YES, YES! 
|
| Glad you understand this as well as you do, Glenn keeps forgetting <ggg>
|
| Besides it is NOT true that even if you follow the rather 
| cloudy instructions to the letter you will get on. Some folks
| *can't* use epppd some *can't* use lsppp for one thing so it don't
| matter how closely they follow the instructions.
|
| Glenn is correct that folks nowadys have trouble with instructions,
| but that does not excuse the rotten instructions that are now
| ubiquitous and that, cyclicaly, turn people away from even trying
| to read instructions. Gotta break the cyle guys.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 282) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 11:17:40 am 
|
| Eric>
| I don't think I've ever seen instructions that can't have more than
| one interpretation.....every time I've given the perfect instruction...
| some "fool" has proved me wrong! <ggg>
| The first thing a teacher must accept is that he will be faced with
| a surprize response every day!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 283) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 1:09:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I stand corrected.
|
| It _is_ possible to follow the instructions EXACTLY and still not get connec
|
| That is ... _if_ you don't understand the instruction and then rely upon
| your own interpretation.
|
| Which in almost every case is.. wrong... wrong... wrong.
|
| As was my little tirade up above..... wrong ... wrong... wrong !!!
|
| <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 284) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 2:02:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Just thought of a 'perfect example' of a 'perfect instruction'
|
| 1) type your nickname in the box marked 'Nick:'
| 2) type a message in the area BELOW 'URL:'
| 3) left-click your mouse on the 'Send/Refresh' button
|
| Now..... let's see if you guys can follow those instructions _exactly_.
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 285) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 3:34:31 pm 
|
| Jake>
| Do I get a cookie? <G>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  286) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 3:41:11 pm 
|
| Jake>
| I ask folks to fill in their name and address using capitals correctly,
| including the postal town all in capitals which is the style here. I make
| a bit of a joke about it, cos it can sound rather teacherish, but correcting
| such sloppiness is the biggest waste of my time. I can think of barely a
| handful of customers who've done it correctly. Slightly more decide to
| SHOUT ALL OF IT; but the vast majority won't give a sh*t.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  287) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 3:46:46 pm 
|
| Jake>
| I remember a setup problem which Cav advised attempting to solve by
| directly editing the cfg file. Problem solved.
|
| ISTR it was the modem string not being passed by the setup form, with
| an early 1.6x release.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  288) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 4:45:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Jake,
|
| 1 correct .... 2 incorrect
|
| Nope, no cookie for you.  <ggg>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 289) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 7:10:35 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology:
|
|     “There is always one more bug.”
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  290) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 8:31:53 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Re:  This "connect" discussion...I'm not willing to dump MTerm/EPPPD
| and go with just LSPPP....
| ...
| And, I can't remember all the ins-and-outs of the various problems
| people have had with one or the other over the years.  
| ..
| I know I fought the LSPPP battle 5-6 times...and failed miserably...each
| subsequent time I reengaged after having "it's all okay, now" assurance.
| ...
| Nor am I willing to just "give up" on LSPPP....I fully intend to fight
| that battle, again, as soon as I get the time....
| ...
| What I want is for us to just keep both...then we have at least one
| option for those who can't get one or the other working...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 291) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 8:46:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| For as long as you keep thinking of it as a 'battle'...
| you will continue with your failed attempts to get Lsppp working.
|
| Once you drop that line of thinking and approach this as simply another
| avenue of program setup .... you _will_ succeed.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 292) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 10:26:22 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| I'm certainly not asking you to dump minterm/epppd, where did you
| get that idea? Infact I think one of the beauties of my system is
| that it's packet driver neutral -- it can work with any
| external connection method that we have or ever will have.
|
| Hi Jake.  Hey, this is a working board my man, hang around here
| and you'll be put to some hard labour ;-)
|
| Oh, as to lsppp, I dunno Glenn, Vladimir can't make it work
| no how, it seems there are some situations that it just won't
| swallow lsppp tho it's a mystery why. He's tried every damned thing
| and he knows what he's doing.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 293) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 10:27:57 pm 
|
| ray>
| So do I get a cookie? I:
|
| -typed my nick
| -composed a message
| -left clicked on the send button.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 294) Fri, Mar 24, 2006 - 11:14:18 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...Re: 291.....hmmmm...well....then....I'll repent, and "soap my
| mouth"....but...hey...I'm STILL gonna need medical attention for my
| 5-sets of battle-scars.....<g g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 295) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 1:43:27 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   Stay right there....don't move....just give me a minute to
| thread my suture needle....then...I'll stitch you right back together...
| shall I use matress sutures or interupted sutures or a series of pretty
| chain sutures?  Should I line things up or leave the parts a little
| askew to give you that rugged look?   <g g g g> <:-)  BTW, maybe a
| shot of penecillin in the buttocks would also be appropriate since
| you seem to be running a fever. <g g g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 296) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 2:19:28 am 
|
| Eric>
| FYI, I have been running since yesterday noon or so with my DNS1
| removed from my ENV. While we were kibitzing on the board here
| I wrote an OOK file that removed it.  I don't notice any difference.
| Remember the DNS1 in my ENV was 10.10.0.4 which is different from
| either of the DNS's in my arachne.cfg file. I haven't hung up or tried
| to reconnect yet...but...I assume it will just show up again on 
| reconnection.  It doesn't seem to be necessary, however.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 297) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 3:26:29 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...thanks for the medicaid offer....<g g g>...staples are preferred
| ...<g g g>
| ...
| Re:  your ENV DNSes...obviously, CORE is reading your DNSnumbers from
| ARACHNE.CFG, just as my CORE has always done....
| ...however....
| now....NOW....as I exit my AUTOEXEC.BAT, I CALL DNS.BAT (which magically
| sets my ENV DNS1/2 variables to my MT(ontana) DNSes....then...
| ...in my ARACHNE.CFG, I have:
| Nameserver %DNS1
| Altnameserver %DNS2
| ..
| This does my trick....and...the ONLY reason why I have (and want) that
| type of configuration/operation, is because the three sets of DNServers
| assigned to onewest.net (MT, WY, ID) relatively often go down...and I
| can't get anywhere, because I can't get a return on a DNS-request..so
| ...
| ...I can "hot-swap" (that DNS.BAT, run from an ALT-X CLI with I, W, F
| arguments) to an alternate set of DNServers without the time consuming
| effort of editing ARACHNE.CFG....
| ...
| AFAIK....you could "set your assigned DNServerNumbers into your ENV,
| after dialup/connect, and then put similar Nameserver/Altnameserver
| %DNS1/2 entries in your ARACHNE.CFG...and you'd get the same effect...
| ..but...I can't see any reason why you would want to do that....other
| than your "experimental, investigative" turn of personality...<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 298) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 5:44:29 am 
|
| Jake>
| MrMcC:
| Does
| this
| win?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  299) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 11:54:01 am 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Strange going on at your site, trying to look at /my-stuff, I get
| varying partial downloads of the page, often crapping out in the
| middle of a file. Problem is there with all cores.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 300) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 12:39:18 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    You could change your DNS.BAT file to an OOK file and
| run it from the URL box (file:DNS.ook) and you wouldn't even
| need to ALT-X.
| Re: My DNS...I know that Arachne is using the DNSs in my arachne.cfg
| as you can see from my other posts....That's not the point <ggg> ...
| Did you look at the DNS format that lsppp gets from my "ISP" ?...
| DNS1=10.10.0.4 from my ENV...That is not a usual DNS format of
| xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.  Soooo, what is it's purpose and why is it
| different from the DNSs given to me to use in my arachne.cfg?
| It also shows that there are differences in data/methods used
| by different ISPs to establish an Internet connection. This is
| why lsppp and epppd do not work with all ISPs.   
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 301) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 2:59:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| Say results as Jake.
|
| 1 correct, 2 incorrect.
|
| No Cookie for you either.
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 302) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 3:02:09 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Jake,
|
| Your 2nd attempt ... same as the 1st
|
| 1 correct, 2 incorrect.
|
| Still no cookie.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 303) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 3:03:13 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| You mean this dir ?
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 304) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 3:05:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That dir listing _should_ be as simple as can be... it's only a few files
| in there and the resulting HTM file sent is just 6,310 bytes in size.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 305) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 3:08:07 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| DNS1=10.10.0.4 is an _internal_ IP address to the Library system.
|
| I am at a loss to explain why the Library is sending that as a DNS number.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 306) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 3:13:15 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Since no-one seems to be able to follow the
| instructions in post 284  _exactly_ ...
|
| Shall I make a post in-which I follow them _exactly_ ?
|
| Or would you guys like to each give it another go ???
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 307) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 3:29:31 pm 
|
| Jake>
| a message
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  308) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 3:30:16 pm 
|
| Jake>
| NOW PLEASE GIVE ME A GODDAMNED COOKIE! <G>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  309) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 3:34:18 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Hmmmm, so what happens if you take those numbers and pad them with
| zeros?
|
| Glenn,
|
| Yeah, your /my-stuff. Is there anotther? ;-) But as I said, sometimes
| it's not downloading completely, last try was fine tho.
|
| I'm with Jake, I think I've earned my cookie, if we didn't you
| better show us why.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 310) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 3:57:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| Still 1 correct, 2 incorrect.
|
| Jake.... you're getting closer,
|
| 2 correct, 1 incorrect.
|
| <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 311) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:15:05 pm 
|
| your nickname>
| a message
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  312) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:15:54 pm 
|
| Jake>
| A claim the previous post, and any cookie offered...
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  313) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:16:17 pm 
|
| Jake>
| Correction: "I claim..."
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  314) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:18:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Jake gets 2 batches of cookies for so tenacious. <gggg>
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/images/chocchip.jpg
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/images/chocchoc.jpg
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 315) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:22:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And I'll even throw-in a YAHOO! cookie for good measure.
|
| Sure hope you're hungry.... it's a big one. <gggg>
|
| G=v=7&data=UB72ppWCBHB60v02mY2KvTtZ3TjijqJcOpejtswkzy-tsYH8Umub
| QxAcs8WskFC7o-oETmbjJBd5REts8ubXZJYhrPb684azFR8siyDV2twquywqi5m
| lqqCtjosRllp48qwTyjPb_RZB7kItfSL4FRBxSgFcSwq9DXoY2nDI-Oboy2N5jJ
| 64rXFhZzNDdrg4K7PdM1AG_es-sgko3N5F211Lsq_DSFnuKgueC3VG5R1gcOUqC
| __oRGdq1sZ4bNP-6NC7HWjTWXi2KuMYdh0wqKbrnqalVp6fgpmSVWOoklQyzpJK
| C6euo8AcXpMqZLYVHweCUuBPqijHiepVpBkjfH49unW9iErolvC2d8qlZ8CwH_z
| d&n=11; path=/group/ArachneBugs/; domain=groups.yahoo.com
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 316) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:26:45 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh yeah, Ray,
|
| As to "is there another?"
|
| Yep, sure is.
|
| http://rayandrews0.tripod.com/my-stuff/
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 317) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:26:48 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    You don't get no cookie 'cause there are no quotes
| around "your nickname" or "a message".  And a few cookies ain't
| worth all that work! I'm going out to get me a bagel w/cheeze
| and maybe a donut or two! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 318) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:32:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now... as to what might be causing the intermittent 'partial downloads'
|
| What value do you have for the 'Quick-n-dirty Fix for RDLC bug' ?
|
| I am currently using 32000
|
|
| ---- in html.c ---
|
| //!!glennmcc: begin Feb 24, 2002 (Quick-n-dirty Fix for RDLC bug)
| if (cache->knowsize)goto knowsize;
|    if (bflenold==bflen)
|    {
|     retry++;
|    }
|    else
|    {
|     retry=0;
|    }
|    if (retry>32000) //was 24000
|    {
|     retry=0;
|     goto exitloop;
|    }
| knowsize:
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 319) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:32:42 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  Your so generous....offering Jake a Bugs cookie...
| I suppose you'll say its high in protein. <ggggg> Your worse that
| that Joe guy on "Fear Factor".  <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 320) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:34:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Try changing retry to an unsigned int or maybe even a long int so that
| you can increase the value to say 64000
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 321) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:35:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Hey...
| I wouldn't have done that had I not already known that Jake is fearless.
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 322) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:37:35 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to no quotes around that stuff....
|
| Well _that_ would have made just too damned easy and we wouldn't have
| been able to have all of this FUN.
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 323) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:42:49 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Your instructions just prove that it is necessary for
| the student to have an understanding of how the instructor thinks
| before the student can really learn much from the instructor. <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 324) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:47:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep.... that was exactly the reason for my little 'test'.
|
| To illustrate that I _finally_ understood what you and Ray
| were trying to tell me.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 325) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:49:32 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And I owe both of you a very big "THANK YOU"
| for teaching me some humility. :)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 326) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 4:51:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| RAY,
|
| I'm now running a fresh compile with....
|
| unsigned int retry;
|
|   if (retry>64000l) // was 32000 //was 24000
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 327) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 5:10:46 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  You may think you understand what we were trying to tell
| you.....but....I'll never be quite sure.  <ggg>  Maybe 95% sure.
| One seldom has all the facts to eliminate all chances of error. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 328) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 5:13:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Of _that_ we _can_ be 100% sure. <ggggggggggggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 329) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 5:15:02 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| At-least I think so. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 330) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 6:47:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| 64000 was still not high enough for some of the pages I tested.
|
| Now testing with.......
|
| unsigned long int retry;
|
|   if (retry>128000l) //was 64000l //was 32000 /was 24000
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 331) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 8:12:27 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...that "DNS1=10.10.0.4 from my ENV.." is, as Glenn said, an
| IPnumber assigned to "local network"...i.e..that is a number in your
| Library's local network....and they are giving it to LSPPP as if it
| were a valid "INTERNET" (as opposed to LocalNet) DNServerNumber..it is
| NOT...it's the address of one of you Library's localnet NICards...on
| one of their machines (probably their main server)....which is why,
| apparently, they also give you some actual DNSnumbers for you to use
| in ARACHNE.CFG....
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 332) Sat, Mar 25, 2006 - 8:58:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| 128000 was too high.
|
| Now testing with.......
|
| unsigned long int retry;
|
|   if (retry>96000l) //was 64000l //was 32000 //was 24000
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 333) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 1:06:49 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    I've had these DNS's, the "real" ones, for years now.
| I used to connect like you do with epppd until they "upgraded". :-(
| Then I couldn't connect with either W$dze or Arachne. The library
| could/would not give me any reason for the sudden inability to
| connect.  I never did find out why I couldn't or why suddenly I could
| connect. With glennmcc's help, I switched to lsppp and got connected
| with Arachne and shortly afterward with W$ndoze.  I have no idea why
| they send me that "local" address but they do.  I just thought I'd
| experiment and delete it and see what happened. So far I can't see
| any difference in Arachne's behavior.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 334) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 1:59:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Of-course you won't.
|
| The only time Arachne will even 'see' the DNS number that's in your ENV
| is if you use this line in arachne.cfg ..........
|
| NameServer %DNS1
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 335) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 5:18:03 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| What is that RDLC thing anyway? Funny I was just pokeing around
| in there yesterday and wondered what it's for -- some sort of
| retry thing but can you tell me more?
|
| Right of course about my my-stuff.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 336) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 6:15:10 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| RDLC bug -- Runaway DownLoad Counter bug
| (been in the code for 3 1/2 years)
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/history.txt
|
| ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| |   Everything in this 2nd section (v1.71) was written by Clarence Verge    
| ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 1.71 stable for DOS (*First co-op compilation!*) 
| ---- 
| Release date: Oct 30, 2002 
|
| <snip>
|
| He has given us a fix for the runaway download bug present in the last 
| versions. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 337) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 6:17:44 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/myserver.htm
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 338) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 6:20:34 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://4.252.89.113/g:/ara-gpl/history.txt
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 339) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 7:05:51 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....didn't that "history.txt" used to come included in the standard
| ArachnePackage distribution....???....I can't seem to find it in my
| newest package...(hmmmm...189 plus your beta-mods...)....
| ...
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 340) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 7:08:54 pm 
|
| gregy>
| And...BTW....that's a good, stable fix....the RunawayDownloadLoopBug
| still occurs, but that fix breaks Arachne (sooner-or-later) out of the
| loop.....with a VERY few times when it won't....
| ..
| So....it's a lifesaver....'cause I can still remember when I first
| reported that to Michael....and he was really spinning around in circles
| not knowing what to do...and v.170 was about half unusable with the bug
| ready to bite you "at the click of a link".....<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 341) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 7:11:03 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep.... usssa be included... but isss too too big now. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 342) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 8:03:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmmm, RDLC could have been before my time. When does this problem
| happen? What are the symptoms? Leme just go and disable the
| fix and see what I can see.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 343) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 8:10:28 pm 
|
| ray>
| It's off now and so far so good.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 344) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 8:57:43 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray.....when you go to a page that reads, on the BottomStatusBar, the
| DownloadCounter WITHOUT the "...of XXXXXbytes"...i.e. it gives only the
| current count of the download without a "of XXXXbytes" total.....then
| ...press "R" or "ESC" and watch the Counter runaway (just the counter,
| the actual download stops.....or stops, then maybe starts intermittantly
| again)...
| ...and...there is NO way to exit that loop, other than a PWR OFF...I
| think I couldn't even use the C-A-D.....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 345) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 9:00:25 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...to see it in operation, just "Show 128 messages" and
| "SEND/REFRESH"....and...then...try to break the download with an "R" or
| "ESC"....(or, actually, I think we found that ANY HOTKEYpress would
| cause it)....
| ...
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 346) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 9:13:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Ok, thanks, tried it and it seems fine, tho it beeps at me about
| three times, so it's not exactly happy with what I'm doing. 
| Maybe the changes to my download indicator have cured it.
| Hard to say.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 347) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 9:14:14 pm 
|
| ray>
| I'll just leave it off until I get some trouble.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 348) Sun, Mar 26, 2006 - 11:02:46 pm 
|
| gregy>
| well...Glenn, et al...admit they're only "hacked a patch" for that loop
| problem....Glenn wasn't totally happy with it, at the time, but we were
| ...that fix made Arachne, post-170, usable, again....
| ..
| And..if I remember, Glenn said the whole mess was awfully tricky to
| tweak, because of timing interactions, etc...
| ...
| so...perhaps your cleaning and reshuffling has "broken the chain"
| inadvertantly....which wouldn't surprise me...since Michael was real
| surprised that his rewriting had "closed the chain" of occurances and
| caused it..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 349) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 4:27:07 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh yeah. As the fix comments say "Quick and dirty fix for the RDLC bug"
| It could be that as you say I've fixed it without even knowing
| when or where. I'll leave it in my code commented out until
| I'm sure, as Joe says, a bug that's gone away ain't necessarily
| dead, just sleeping. 
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 350) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 6:01:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep... as Joe discovered with the frames/smiley bug.
|
| But this time..... Joe squashed _that_ little bugger. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 351) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 9:53:12 pm 
|
| gregy>
| DID he...???!!!!...well...that little bugger was around for a looonnnng
| time....glad he's finally dead....<g g g>
| ...
| Of course...I NEVER had anything like a problem with that...since I
| reload a RAMdisk each time I fresh-launch Arachne....and smiley-bug
| never knew ANYthing about where my RAMdisk install was actually coming
| from....<g g g>...so...he just went away when I rebooted....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 352) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 9:53:49 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....Re:  CDRoast...link for you over on my MISC...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 353) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 11:22:43 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    Am I correct when I decipher that you have not been able
| to save any data to CD with CDRoast?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 354) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 11:35:59 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...now just hooollllddd on there, young fella,...<g g g>...I have
| NOT reached that "...save any data to CD..." stage, yet...
| ..
| Perhaps you mistake me for one of them thar youngsters who are
| speedsters...???
| ...
| It seems to be inching toward a conclusion....and looks more hopeful
| all the time..
| ..
| Glenn's setup and programs did not/do not work...not here on my box..
| ..but...then, again...remember...
| ...
| EPPPD doesn't work, there, on YOUR box, either.....<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 355) Mon, Mar 27, 2006 - 11:39:25 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...seriously....I now have installed my BTC Model BCE3212IM drive
| (which is on GoldenHawk's list) and gotten ASPI.SYS to load, recognize
| and access the drive....now we work to load the IDE drivers, at the same
| time, and get both sets of drivers to work together...then...we work to
| get the burner to write to the CD....
| ..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 356) Tue, Mar 28, 2006 - 12:43:49 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    Are your drives ATAPI or SCSI ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 357) Tue, Mar 28, 2006 - 2:00:56 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   I guess if your trying to load IDE drivers then the drives
| must be ATAPI.....am I right?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 358) Tue, Mar 28, 2006 - 4:52:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gregy,
|
| re:"...now we work to load the IDE drivers, at the same
|     time, and get both sets of drivers to work together..."
|
| Right there be your problem sir......
|
| For burning... you do not load both of them.... just aspi.sys and
| nothing more.
|
|
| You need the CD driver and nwcdex.exe for READING ONLY ... not for WRITING.
|
| :loadide
| ddl.com c:\cdrom\doscdrst\ASPI.SYS
|
| That's it... that's the only thing you load for burning.
|
| ____________________
|
| This is what you load for reading.....
|
| :loadide
| ddl.com c:\cdrom\ltnide.sys /D:CDR-IDE /DMA
|
| :enable
| C:\CDROM\NWCDEX.EXE /D:CDR-IDE /L:Q /M:20 /V
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 359) Tue, Mar 28, 2006 - 4:55:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| An ink pen is used for writing.... not for reading.
|
| A pair of glasses and magnifying glass are used for reading.... not for writ
|
| <ggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 360) Tue, Mar 28, 2006 - 6:16:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmm, I would have made the same obvious mistake of thinking
| both drivers are needed, but as you analogise it, I see that, as
| is so often the case, the obvious is wrong. When the disk is
| being burned it doesn't need 'reading' drivers because the burner
| knows nothing of it as a storage device, it's just performing a
| mechanical opperation on a piece of plastic -- rather the same way
| the computer controling a printing press is completely unconcerned
| with whether the doc being printed is in Chinese or Urdhu, or 
| what it's about. Clarity.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 361) Tue, Mar 28, 2006 - 8:44:50 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| You know how I'm always bitching about not having anything to spend
| my memory on? Found something:
|
| I bumped my ovrbuffer setting to 0x2500 and my speed jumped up to
| about 20% faster than yours. Interesting, there's almost no 
| gradual increase, it just jumps at that setting.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 362) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 5:21:08 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...yes...thanks for telling me that, now, since I've done further
| testing on it and arrived at that same conclusion.....he he he....
| ...
| But...hey...the "hunt-for-blue-problems" was beneficial...I now know
| "more than you'd ever wanna know about IDE, SCSI, CDburning, etc"...
| ....<g g g>
| ..
| I didn't have time today/tonight to do much finalizing of my setup and
| procedure...problems blew up (actually it was the starter on my pickup
| that burned up) and I just now got onto the net to check a few things..
| ...
| Go back at it tonight...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 363) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 12:37:09 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    Make sure your not close or directly underneath that starter
| when your applying electric power to it.  I watched from entirely too
| close one time as a piece of coat hanger wire was turned to molten drops
| of steel when I was lying on my back stuck under a '57 Buick while I was
| testing the starter. The starter was hanging from the wire which was
| acting as the ground connection. The molten steel drops were running
| down the wire like water and dripping right in front of my nose. I've
| never seen anything like it before or since. It scared the bejeebers
| out of me.  A starter will draw 200 to 300 amps when it's working
| normally....which...can go way up if the rotor is draging or locked.
| A starter motor is designed to be run for only a few seconds at a
| time.  Most people abuse them terribly when the engine is hard to
| start. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 364) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 4:56:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Take up welding -- you soon get used to molten metal dribbling all
| over you :-)
|
| Seriously, one of the best things about MIG welding is that if you
| get splashed you are free to drop the thing and holler and scream
| and cuss; with OxyAcetelene, you NEVER drop your torch no matter what
| happens.
|
|
|
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|
| 365) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 5:03:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hi ya Ray....
|
| There's some stuff to bring a smile to your face over on the misc board. <gg
|
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|
| 366) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 8:04:34 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  I've done very little welding. What welding I've done has been
| with only small torches on sheet metal where getting up enough heat
| was always difficult.  I've also done some welding with low fusing
| aluminum rod and getting the parts hot enough was a problem there
| also.  But, I expect molten metal when I'm soldering or welding
| and I'm prepared for it.  I wasn't expecting molten metal dripping
| on my face when I was stuck, realatively immobile, under a car
| checking out the starter motor. <ggg>  But...believe me I've
| been prepared ever since that incident. <ggg>  I also cast with a
| centrifical casting machine which has at times sent molten metal
| flying around the room. Fotunately, I've never been hurt by it.
| I did at one time grab apiece of casting that had just come out of
| a 2000 plus deg F. oven. That kind of scorch my finger tips a little.
| <gggg> 
|
|
|
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|
| 367) Wed, Mar 29, 2006 - 9:51:25 pm 
|
| ray>
| Centrifugal casting eh? Man, some guys have such good lives.
|
|
|
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|
| 368) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 8:51:46 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...thank you for your kind caveats...<g g g>....and..yes..I, too
| have tried to weld the whole car to the ground (or sumpin)....but...that
| was a looonnnnnngggg time ago.....haven't had THAT wrench around for
| years....<g g g>
| ...
| the experience taught me to religiously remove the GND cable from the
| battery EVERY time, BEFORE messing around....<g g g >
| ...
|
|
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|
| 369) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 9:10:23 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...further results up on my TEST board.....
|
|
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|
| 370) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 12:28:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| Only sissies take the ground off their battery before working on the
| electrics <ggg>
|
|
|
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|
| 371) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 2:43:59 pm 
|
| Jake>
| Eric, do you have a couch for your casting?
|
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|
|  372) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 3:25:00 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Jake,     That's a different kind of casting and that machine isn't
| centrifugal.....more reciprocal, i'd say. <gggg>  Also, that machine
| isn't for casting metal but for casting Candy.   <ggg>
|
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|
| 373) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 3:35:09 pm 
|
| Jake>
| Ooh la la...
|
| But seriously, what do you cast? I had a hankering for doing some lost
| wax, but never pursued it.
|
|
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|
|  374) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 4:55:19 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| Agreed.... and only sissies turn the power off at the breaker box before
| working on an outlet or a light switch, light fixture... etc...etc...
|
| It's a much more exciting experience to leave the power turned on. ;-)
|
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|
| 375) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 8:50:20 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Sometimes turning the power off is not possible or
| practical.  Those guys working up on power poles are often working on
| live wires.  I have watched my father check to see if a circuit was
| live by putting his finger across the terminals of a socket. If your
| not grounded you don't get a shock.  That's why birds can land on
| power lines. It's only when the birds wingspan is so long that it
| touches both both wires that it gets fried. 
|
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|
| 376) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 9:05:20 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep, that's exactly how I check to see if a circuit is 'live'.
|
| Stick a finger in the light socket.
|
| If it tingles... we got power.
|
| No tingle.... start tracking-down the problem.
|
|
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|
| 377) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 9:07:46 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ya know how to tell the diff between 120v and 240v ???
|
| If it kicks ya across the room and bounces ya off the opposite wall.... 240v
|
| <gggggg>
|
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|
| 378) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 9:11:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric's right, but I don't have the gonads. Tho I know an electrician
| who routinely splices live lines. I guess if I did it routinely
| I might learn it, but for now I always make sure the lines are dead.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 379) Thu, Mar 30, 2006 - 10:26:34 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Electricity is nothing to play with.  I've seen some things
| and heard some stories and experienced 1st hand enough electrical
| experiences that I show eletricity great respect.  I am never
| comfortable when working with live wires and I think that's good.
| One should always assume the line is hot and treat it as if it is even
| if you think it isn't. I have an uncle 2nd or 3rd removed who was
| electrocuted working on an elevator. Elevators were at least 240 V.
| and DC which is far more dangerous.  I was surveying a kitchen at
| an automotive plant as an aprentice to this older eletrical engineer
| . We were confirming design drawings. It was one of those all stainless
| steel kitchens and the appliances were 220 V. comercial stuff.  I had my
| head stuck into this stainless steel hole/cupboard when my "mentor"
| shorted something out in the cupboard right in front of my face.
| It scared the s**t out of me. After that I always maintained a safe
| distance from him.
|
|
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|
| 380) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 7:09:29 am 
|
| ray>
| 220 scares the wits out of me. I wire my welder up to the 220 dryer
| circuit and I'm so afraid of being fried (given the excelent grounds
| that tend to be around welders) that I shut the whole house off
| when I fool around with that.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 381) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 10:42:40 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| What a bunch of sissies you guys are.
|
| Come on .... grab them wires and have some fun !!!!!
|
| <ggggg>
|
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|
| 382) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 10:45:54 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    You can never be too careful.  It also pays to make sure no one
| else is around who might accidentally turn on a circuit that you are
| working on.  Also, be careful of pets....they often like to chew on
| those nice rubber electic cords. <gggg>   Did you ever see that
| Chevy Chase movie where he is putting Christmas lights on his house...
| his wife or mother-in-law or someone else keeps switching his power
| on and off and neither one knows what their doing. <ggg>
|
|
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|
| 383) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 11:03:37 am 
|
| Eric>
| Re:  #381
| glennmcc,      Having lost a friend that way, while both of us were
| guiding a sailboat when it's mast touched an over head wire, I don't
| see any humor in your suggestion.  And I also from personal experience
| can tell you that "grabbing ahold" of high voltage elecric wires is
| not in the least bit fun.  There is a big difference between a toy
| shock box and any commercial or household electric power source.  
|
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|
| 384) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 11:15:13 am 
|
| Eric>
| Most people have no concept of the power available from an UN-FUSED
| 110 Volt household line.  I wish everyone was required to watch a
| demonstration of a dead short across an un-fused household circuit
| as part of their education.  I'm sure it would save a lot of lives.
| It would probably stop some from ever pluging in another lamp. <ggg>
|
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|
| 385) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 11:20:40 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh yeah definately stay away from high voltage waires and circuits.
|
| I am refering only to low voltage stuff.
|
| Don't mess-around with anything over 120v
|
| And don't mess with 120v if condtions are 'damp'.
|
| But honestly... so-long-as your hands are dry and no other part of
| your body comes in contact with any part of the circuit... including
| 'earth ground'.... you are safe in touching 'live wires' of 120v or less.
|
| But do not allow let's say your knee to be 'grounded' and then touch
| the 'hot wire' with some other part of your body.
|
| Bad.... very bad indeed.
|
|
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|
| 386) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 2:00:20 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I'm saying this loud and clear....and you can quote me...
| don't mess around with 120 V.....that is not low voltage....just
| because most of the time one is lucky doesn't make it safe....
| 120 V. will kill...maybe you should see 120 V. UNFUSED and shorted
| sometime under safe conditions to make you appreciate the power
| and danger. UNFUSED 120 V. will melt a 14 GA copper wire instantaneously
| just as if it were a fuse....I've seen it happen!  <ggg>
|
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|
| 387) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 2:15:56 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep.... sure will.
|
| I have been working with electricity sine age 9
|
| After 35 years.....
|
| Yes... I _do_ respect it.
|
| However... I do not _fear_ it.
|
| After 35 years I _do_ know what can and can't be done safely.
|
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|
| 388) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 5:07:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| I figure the problem with working with live wires is that 
| one can end up grounded when one thinks one is not, and as Eric
| says, if the line isn't fused, you can fry. Once I was working
| on a friends wires (breaker off of course) but using a wooden 
| ladder. I had to go do something else, and when I came back my 
| friend has substituted an Aluminum one. I didn't pay it any heed
| and went up and resumed work. It's a good thing the breaker was still
| off, 'cause the floor was wet with a solution of TSP (conductive).
|
|
|
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|
| 389) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 5:41:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep.... what you just described is another of those very bad situations.
|
| One in-which it is quite wise to go check that breaker again just
| in case the friend who switched ladders on ya also switch-on the
| breaker.
|
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|
| 390) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 5:44:11 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh... a word of caution to anyone using WinCrap for email.
|
| MyDoom.O is going around again.
|
| Got one yesterday and another just now.
|
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