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Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:03:09
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| 1) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 7:43:39 am 
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| gregy>
| new board
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| 2) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 7:47:59 am 
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| gregy>
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| | 380) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 7:09:29 am 
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| | ray>
| | 220 scares the wits out of me. I wire my welder up to the 220 dryer
| | circuit and I'm so afraid of being fried (given the excelent grounds
| | that tend to be around welders) that I shut the whole house off
| | when I fool around with that.
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| | 381) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 10:42:40 am 
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| | glennmcc>
| | What a bunch of sissies you guys are.
| |
| | Come on .... grab them wires and have some fun !!!!!
| |
| | <ggggg>
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| | 382) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 10:45:54 am 
| |
| | Eric>
| | Ray,    You can never be too careful.  It also pays to make sure no
| | one
| | else is around who might accidentally turn on a circuit that you are
| | working on.  Also, be careful of pets....they often like to chew on
| | those nice rubber electic cords. <gggg>   Did you ever see that
| | Chevy Chase movie where he is putting Christmas lights on his
| | house...
| | his wife or mother-in-law or someone else keeps switching his power
| | on and off and neither one knows what their doing. <ggg>
| |
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| | 383) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 11:03:37 am 
| |
| | Eric>
| | Re:  #381
| | glennmcc,      Having lost a friend that way, while both of us were
| | guiding a sailboat when it's mast touched an over head wire, I don't
| | see any humor in your suggestion.  And I also from personal
| | experience
| | can tell you that "grabbing ahold" of high voltage elecric wires is
| | not in the least bit fun.  There is a big difference between a toy
| | shock box and any commercial or household electric power source.  
| |
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| | 384) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 11:15:13 am 
| |
| | Eric>
| | Most people have no concept of the power available from an UN-FUSED
| | 110 Volt household line.  I wish everyone was required to watch a
| | demonstration of a dead short across an un-fused household circuit
| | as part of their education.  I'm sure it would save a lot of lives.
| | It would probably stop some from ever pluging in another lamp. <ggg>
| |
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| | 385) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 11:20:40 am 
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| | glennmcc>
| | Oh yeah definately stay away from high voltage waires and circuits.
| |
| | I am refering only to low voltage stuff.
| |
| | Don't mess-around with anything over 120v
| |
| | And don't mess with 120v if condtions are 'damp'.
| |
| | But honestly... so-long-as your hands are dry and no other part of
| | your body comes in contact with any part of the circuit... including
| | 'earth ground'.... you are safe in touching 'live wires' of 120v or
| | less.
| |
| | But do not allow let's say your knee to be 'grounded' and then touch
| | the 'hot wire' with some other part of your body.
| |
| | Bad.... very bad indeed.
| |
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| | 386) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 2:00:20 pm 
| |
| | Eric>
| | glennmcc,   I'm saying this loud and clear....and you can quote
| | me...
| | don't mess around with 120 V.....that is not low voltage....just
| | because most of the time one is lucky doesn't make it safe....
| | 120 V. will kill...maybe you should see 120 V. UNFUSED and shorted
| | sometime under safe conditions to make you appreciate the power
| | and danger. UNFUSED 120 V. will melt a 14 GA copper wire
| | instantaneously
| | just as if it were a fuse....I've seen it happen!  <ggg>
| |
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| | 387) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 2:15:56 pm 
| |
| | glennmcc>
| | Yep.... sure will.
| |
| | I have been working with electricity sine age 9
| |
| | After 35 years.....
| |
| | Yes... I _do_ respect it.
| |
| | However... I do not _fear_ it.
| |
| | After 35 years I _do_ know what can and can't be done safely.
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| | 388) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 5:07:35 pm 
| |
| | ray>
| | I figure the problem with working with live wires is that 
| | one can end up grounded when one thinks one is not, and as Eric
| | says, if the line isn't fused, you can fry. Once I was working
| | on a friends wires (breaker off of course) but using a wooden 
| | ladder. I had to go do something else, and when I came back my 
| | friend has substituted an Aluminum one. I didn't pay it any heed
| | and went up and resumed work. It's a good thing the breaker was
| | still
| | off, 'cause the floor was wet with a solution of TSP (conductive).
| |
| |
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| | 389) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 5:41:23 pm 
| |
| | glennmcc>
| | Yep.... what you just described is another of those very bad
| | situations.
| |
| | One in-which it is quite wise to go check that breaker again just
| | in case the friend who switched ladders on ya also switch-on the
| | breaker.
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| | 390) Fri, Mar 31, 2006 - 5:44:11 pm 
| |
| | glennmcc>
| | Oh... a word of caution to anyone using WinCrap for email.
| |
| | MyDoom.O is going around again.
| |
| | Got one yesterday and another just now.
| |
|
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| 3) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 7:56:03 am 
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| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Is there anything to tip you off that MyDoom.O is there
| in the email?
|
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| 4) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 8:02:32 am 
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| Eric>
| Gregy,     I must have logged on just as you arachived.  I looked for
| the archive but none was there....I went to my other machine and you
| had already posted it.  What timing! <ggg>
| Say,   How'd you make out with the starter?
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| 5) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 8:50:43 am 
|
| Eric>
| I just installed Arachne on an older Pentium machine that I have my
| new 160GB drive installed on as a 8GB drive. The screen saver moves
| so fast it doesn't even look like the same screensaver....and....
| Arachne doesn't seem to make the drive thrash like it does with my
| other drives. I assume it must have something to do with the way
| it is buffered.  I also ran into the connection run-a-round as
| usual.  I had to initialize the modem with Banana Com before I
| could get it to dial with Arachne/lsppp.  Now, some new user is
| very likely NOT going to know what to do.  There must be someway
| to make this connection stuff easier.
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| 6) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 9:02:37 am 
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| gregy>
| Eric....the starter...well...I haven't got any new burns.....<g g g>
| ...
| And...the pickup starts.....so...I guess that was "inching toward a
| solution" successfully.....<g g g>
|
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| 7) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 9:04:54 am 
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| gregy>
| Eric....the archive....yes...I let it go until this morning....just not
| interested last night...<g g g>
| ...
| BTW....I have trouble downloading "all messages" when they get about
| above 256...does anyone else see that happen...I mean....get part way
| thru the download and break off, leaving you will message 1-189 instead
| of all the way thru from 1 to 390.....???
|
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| 8) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 9:08:45 am 
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| gregy>
| Eric....I have Arachne running on this P133 and it's much faster than my
| old 486dlc 40MHz....<g g g>....so...what speed is that "old" pentium of
| yours....???
| ...
| Re:  "thrashing the disk"....hmmm...aren't you gonna install it on your
| RAMdisk, xcopy it down to your HDD, then launch/xcopy-to-RAM/run it from
| your RAMdisk...???....that totally eliminates any thrashing...and it's
| the fastest way to run Arachne.....safest, too...since, if anything goes
| wrong and your operating install gets munged....you just reboot/relaunch
| and you're running an entirely fresh Arachne....<g g g>
|
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| 9) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 9:11:22 am 
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| gregy>
| Eric...Re:  needing to initialize the modem with BananaCom...hmmmm....
| AFAIK...you're the only person who's ever had to do that....<g g g>
| ..
| I mean...is that when you first start up....???....
| ..
| I've had "locked-up" modem before, but flipping the modem-power OFF then
| back ON resets everything just fine....
| ..so...what's going on with yours....???
|
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| 10) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 9:44:05 am 
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| Eric>
| Gregy,   I don't like to turn the computer off and on any more than
| necessary. Especially if I'm running on RAMdisk. It's a lot easier to
| just re-initialize the modem with some utility than off/on, reinstall.
| I forget what this new computer CPU is...the fan didn't come off
| easily so I couldn't see....I knew once but I forgot now...It might
| be a 166...I know my W$doze machine is 233 and it's older than that one.
|
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| 11) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 10:02:10 am 
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| Eric>
| Gregy,   Concerning when the modem locked up....I'm not sure.
| I am just doodling with this new to me machine and new HDD and
| new to me modem. I don't even have a full OS installed....only
| command.com and just the necessary files/utilities to start the
| machine and boot up Arachne.  When my batch file stalled I added
| what ever utility was missing until it finally ran and installed
| Arachne.  Arachne has a way of hanging up internally but not
| externally and in the process it screws up the modem. When you
| are doing a new install and your switching to different com ports
| and you aren't familiar with the way the new modem/setup is going
| to behave then there are a lot of parameters to throw things off
| kilter.  So, when the modem is screwed up and you have no way of
| knowing that it's screwed up you can have everything set correctly
| but you still don't connect/dial.  It's only from years of experience
| that one gets an inkling what might be haywire.
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| 12) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 10:15:14 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   Banana.com is particularly handy because it looks for
| the modem and sets up it's own config file all by itself.
| So, if I can't get the modem to work with BCom then I know it
| can't work with Arachne. And there is no setup...I just load
| the tiny Banana.com files and run it. Sooooo simple!  <ggg>
|
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| 13) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 10:20:40 am 
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| gregy>
| he he...yes....but...I was thinking you had external modem(s) like I do
| ...<g g g>.....so...it's easier to poke the button on the modem OFF/ON
| than to run BCom.....<g g g g>
| ...however...internal modem is different....
| ...
|
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| 14) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 10:29:22 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   Re: Download of the board when too many messages
| Yes, I have had that problem.  I think it's related to Arachne refusing
| to download too big of a page.  glennmcc explained to me how to do it
| in the background but I never got it to work.
|
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| 15) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 10:41:26 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   I never had an external modem that I got to work.  I have one
| or two that I bought at flea markets but that I never got working for
| one reason or another.  My first modem was an old internal RadioShack
| modem designed for the TRS-80 that I rigged up to run externally. I used
| it as a dialer for years.  It wasn't Hayes compatible.
|
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| 16) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 10:58:10 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| These connect problems, do they happen with my core too? I'm hoping
| the more externalized method should be more robust and more
| transferable since it  is less dependant on Arachne innards to 
| work.
|
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| 17) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 11:22:04 am 
| URL
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   The connection problems aren't connected to whose core is used.
| The problems are there because the process of connecting/disconn. isn't
| visible and is also related to the failure of the modem to hangup/reset
| when the carrier is dropped.  It's like having a ciruit with 5 to 10
| pushbutton on/off switches in series with no indication on each switch
| whether the switch is open or closed. So, if by chance, you happen to
| have them all closed so that the circuit is working and then you push
| one switch to turn it off AND then forget which switch you pushed....
| <ggggg>.....Well, it becomes like "Deal Or No Deal" and it will
| probably be a while before you get the circuit turned back on again!
| <gggggg> 
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| 18) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 11:55:13 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| But it's just such situations where I like to connect from the command
| line, because you *can* see exactly what's happening. You can break
| the search for probems in half because if lsppp reports all is well
| and Arachne still won't work you know the problem is internal, and
| visa versa of course. Myself, this 'invisibility' thing is not
| acceptable, thus my changes.
|
|
|
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| 19) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 12:00:01 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Did you try using 'termin 0x60' from the command line when you have
| dialing problems? I have found there are many places where this is
| the right thing do do, even when Arachne thinks she is offline.
|
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| 20) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 1:07:18 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I always do, and have for years now, use termin 0x60...but
| that doesn't usually hang up the modem....TERMIN just removes the
| packet driver (or the pointer) from memory. I think you miss my 
| point...I know pretty much what to do to get things working....that's
| not the point....What about one of those surfers who has downloaded
| A189GPLL.ZIP from glennmcc's site. How the h*ll is he going to know
| what to do? And how long is he going to try?  Do you remember the
| young fellow we spent so much time on and he never did really try
| the solutions we gave him....he just disappeared.
|
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| 21) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 1:29:09 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric....I don't think we can do anything about those kinds of folks...
| ..
| Item - modems always DO hangup....except when they don't....<g g g>
| ...
| Even whingedoze can get caught in this kinda stuff....and the only
| recourse is to PWR OFF/ON.....and that's what you're supposed to do..
| as long as you're using an internal modem.....or...have BCom on your
| box and know how to use it.....<g g g>
| ...
| I mean....just what solution do YOU propose for YOUR problem, there...
| ...you need to propose something, if you think it'll help some other
| newUser....
| ...or are you offering to distribute that BCom in all new Arachne 
| Packages....???
|
|
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| 22) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 2:28:35 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| 3 more MyDoom.O contaminated emails
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| 23) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 2:44:03 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| The 'tip offs' for MyDoom.O 
|
| 1) file size of the entire message is always between 40,000 and 44,000 bytes
|
| 2) the attachment which is the Worm itself will be named like so....
|
| These are the 3 in my inbox right now
|
|  filename="glennmcc@cisnet.com.zip"
|  filename="cisnet.com.zip"
|  filename="cisnet.com"
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/3mydoomsinmyinbox.htm
|
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| 24) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 2:45:26 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I'm with you there, my man. Glenn's protests to the contrary
| notwithstanding, the whole scene vis. connection is too 
| troublesome. But, I do expect that there must be some software
| way of hanging up a blasted modem. 
|
| BTW, I've changed my 'connectoid' a bit:
|
|
| @lh connect\lsppp.exe>PPP.LOG
| if errorlevel 1 del PPP.LOG>NUL
| @if exist connect\ip-up.bat call connect\ip-up.bat
|
| Note how when you ESC durring a dial, it always returns to an 
| error page? That's because ppp.log is created anyway. Thusly
| Arachne gets to thinking she's online when she aint and nothing
| but trouble ensues. The above deletes the .log if the packet 
| driver doesn't load, so all stays kosher.
|
|
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| 25) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 2:48:15 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Also note the deceptive 'From:' lines and Subject:' lines
|
|  001.  From: Mail Administrator     Date: Sat,   42.914
|        Returned mail: Data format error 
|
|  002.  From: Mail Administrator     Date: Sat,   40.589
|        Message could not be delivered 
|
|  003.  From: edomi@mrecic.gov.ar    1 Apr 2006        kB
|        Delivery reports about your e-mail 
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| 26) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 2:53:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| To re-init your modem,
|
| At the DOS command prompt....
|
| echo at&fs7=90s11=50>com1
| _________________ or com2, com3, com4
|
| Also.... be sure to have this line in your lsppp.fcg
|
| /M:at&fs7=90s11=50
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| 27) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 3:02:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Also... a great way to hangup the modem in most cases....
|
| --- killmod.bat ---
|
| @ECHO OFF
| COMTOOL 1 ^b2 ATH ^cr ^w10 OK ERROR NONE ^
| rem ____^<-- change to your com port #
| If errorlevel 1 goto OFFLINE
| If errorlevel 2 goto ERROR
| COMTOOL 1 ^b2 +++ ^w10 OK ERROR NONE ^
| rem ____^<-- change to your com port #
| If errorlevel 1 goto ONLINE
| If errorlevel 2 goto ERROR
| Echo No Answer !
| Goto END
| :ERROR
| Echo I Heard ERROR !
| Goto END
| :OFFLINE
| Echo It was ALREADY OFFLINE !
| Goto END
| :OnLINE
| COMTOOL 1 ^b2 ATH ^cr ^w10 OK ERROR NONE ^
| rem ____^<-- change to your com port #
| If NOT errorlevel 1 goto ERROR
| Echo It was ONLINE and now it is OFF !
| :END
| ___________________
|
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| 28) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 3:03:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That little BAT will work in all cases ... except for those where it won't.
|
| <gggg>
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| 29) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 3:57:13 pm 
|
| ray>
| In any event, you get a message, so you know where you stand.
|
|
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| 30) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 3:58:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Where ????
|
| <gggg>
|
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| 31) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 6:23:46 am 
|
| Eric>
| Re: Post #21
| Gregy,   Yeh, I guess your right....Banana.com can can check out the
| modem and set up it's own config file but Arachne is just too dumb
| to ever be able to top that.  Arachne will just sit in the corner
| with all 8, count them, eight legs curled up under her...waiting for
| some dumb, unsuspecting, klutz to stumbled into her web where, with her
| prey immobilized, she can then meander over and sit on her prey and
| get her jollies!  And from that perch Arachne can watch that more
| skilled, agressive hunter, M$sucks, build it's bigger webs and catch
| it's bigger rewards.  Meanwhile, the janitor will go get his broom and
| sweep up Arachne and her web into his dust pan and dump her out with
| the garabage.
|
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| 32) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 6:37:37 am 
|
| Eric>
| And to you other physicians, offering me sutures and bandages, if those
| cures really help...then apply them to "The Package" so that Arachne
| can "beef" herself up, without taking steroids, and then she will be 
| able to walk between the viruses, immune, and reach the farthest ends
| of the Internet, amazing all those with whom she comes in contact! <ggg>.
|
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| 33) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 6:43:21 am 
|
| Eric>
| And in addition...tell this foolish board (read broad) to stop turning
| my Nick blue, just because she has an empty, invisible, space in
| one of her boxes! <ggg> 
|
|
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| 34) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 6:48:42 am 
|
| Eric>
| And D*mn, as if time doesn't flash by me fast enough, now I've lost
| another hour!  Tempis fugit, ad infinitum! in perpetuity!
|
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| 35) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 7:08:19 am 
|
| Eric>
| You know,  if Arachne would keep her hands and feet away from her
| mouth, maybe we could see what she was putting into her mouth and 
| then, with a little alacrity, we could stop Arachne from swallowing
| scissors, like that dumb broad on the evening news did. It's going
| to take a lot more work to retrieve those scissors than would have
| ever been needed to stop her from putting them into her mouth so she 
| could swallow them.  And...you know...I doubt if those scissors will ever
| work to cut any more paper dolls, again! <ggg>
|
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| 36) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 8:06:38 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...I can maybe fix your "BlueName" problem....I'll just remove the
| "Email" box from below the "Nick" box.....
| ...
| Would that sorta sooth your ire and ease your dander.....????
| ...
| <g g g g>
| ..
| Re:....no hangup.....well....you'll remember that I started a thread,
| oh, some months back...asking if we could get Arachne to check to see
| if the modem had "lost the C(arrier)D(etect)....????
| ...
| Arachne having that capability would go part of the way toward catching
| the problem you're complaining about...wouldn't it...???
| ...
| However, "The Boys" have been stumbling into deadends on that...I have
| confidence in them....but....hey...it may take some time..<g g g g>
|
|
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| 37) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 8:15:39 am 
|
| gregy>
| Another thing....I've got all my stuff poked into my ENV, now...you
| know...MYIP, REMIP, DNS1, DNS2, etc....
| ...and...
| I find, that when I crash Arachne (as long as I don't reboot) I can do
| just about anything....including re-xcopy Arachne from HDD to RAMdisk
| again, and (with a connection already made)...give Arachne the re-dial
| and...voila..!!....Arachne "discovers" that it's already on line..and
| off we go...
| ...
| hmmmm...well..I won't claim this works 100% of the time...but..most
| times..
| ...
|
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| 38) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 1:05:24 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| I figure I've got that CD detect working pretty good with Vladimir's
| help, it just needs some more testing (hint hint).
|
|
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| 39) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 1:45:17 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Your nick turned blue in post 15 and styed that way for 17
| but in addition the URL in post 17 was also blue both are due to the
| fact that you inadvertanly hit the space key while in those boxes.
|
| --- clipped from the SRC of this page visibale via F6 ---
|
| 15) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 10:41:26 am <br><tr><td align="left" valign="top"><b
|                                                                 inadvertant 
|
| 17) Sat, Apr 01, 2006 - 11:22:04 am <br><small><a href=" ">URL</a></small><t
|                                   inadvertant space---->^
|                                                                             
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
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| 40) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 1:48:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to modem setup......
|
| If you choose to have Arachne autodetect your modem during initial setup....
|
| She uses the included comtool.com to put the correct values into arachne.cfg
|
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| 41) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 1:49:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| It works flawlessly in all cases except those when it doesn't. <gggg>
|
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| 42) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 6:06:56 pm 
|
| ray>
| As you know, I'm not a big fan of wizards, but I sure love that one,
| it's never failed for me.
|
|
|
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| 43) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 6:13:09 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW, as to hangup blues, isn't there some AT command that is
| specificaly to force the modem to pay attention? IIRC you can 
| give that command even when it's in data mode and it always hears
| it. what was it ... '+++' yeah, got my book right here '+++'
| forces command mode then you can ATH
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 44) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 6:36:07 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK then....
|
| --- hangup.bat ---
|
| echo at+++>com1
| echo ath>com1
| ________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 45) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 6:46:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| Acording to my manual, that is the one command that doesn't take 'at',
| so its just "echo +++>com1"
|
| Let's see if it works for Eric.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 46) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 6:49:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Left some bad news for ya vis a vi RDLC over on misc :(
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 47) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 8:54:45 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re: #37
| Gregy,    I've been telling you that for months now.  I even can
| sometimes do a reboot and the connection is still in tact.
| Don't ask me to explain it...it is just a fact of Arachne. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 48) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 9:06:18 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re: +++ modem string
| My modem init string is, and has been for years, +++at&f. So, I use
| "+++" all the time. <ggg>
| Please read #32.  I appreciate the help...but...Arachne needs it as
| much as I do.....maybe more!  <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 49) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 9:16:12 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re: #39
| glennmcc,  If you read my #33 post, you can see I know why my Nick
| turned blue...My opinion is that if there is only an invisible, blank
| space in one of the entry boxes, then it should be ignored as should
| trailing empty space at the end of any message typed into this
| message box.  One should not be able to send a whole blank page to
| this board.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 50) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 9:35:43 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric is right. If, that is, such changes can be made without too much
| trouble in the board's source.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 51) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 9:58:28 pm 
| URL
|
| .>
| .
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 52) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 10:00:48 pm 
| URL
|
|  >
| .
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 53) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 10:52:35 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...Re: 47...but..that's what we've all know for ages, too....<g g g>
| ..and...FYI....mz$loth does the same thing....for a fact....that's what
| they're ALL supposed to do....sorry to tell you that.....<g g g>
| Arachne is just being "one of the boys"...exactly the way it should be.
| ...<g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 54) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 10:59:51 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...Re: 15, 17, 33.....as I said...I can "remove" the Email: box from
| this page...but....really, it isn't the "broad" that's turning your
| NICK blue....if you put your cursor over those blued-out Nicks..you'll
| see that you put "http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/ctst/" into the EMAIL
| box, before you pressed "Send/Refresh"....so....I'm sorry that that
| happened....but it wasn't the broad......<g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 55) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 11:03:23 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Oh, my OS/2 dialer does the same thing....it just sits there, keeping
| that connection open (modem still connected and phoneline still
| connected to "the other end") until I tell it to "hangup"...and..Arachne
| "ConnectionREADY" type connection (as Ray says he always runs) does that
| AFAIK, by default.....so.....Arachne is "SMART" enough to keep things
| "as per standard"....and smart enough to allow us to do "other things"
| per our own "way of doing things".......<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 56) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 11:04:33 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Now, I'm not running Linux...but I'll bet Glenn can tell us that that
| Linux-dialer he uses does that same "keep the connection up" thing, too
| ....
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 57) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 11:09:04 pm 
|
| gregy>
| The nice thing about ArachnePackage "out-of-the-box" is that it's one of
| the easiest packages to get Online with, that I've ever seen....it's
| almost foolproof....and, at the same time, it allows us to dink around
| with it to set things up "just so" for our own style/needs/wishes....
| ...
| If you think others, including NewUSERS are having the same experience
| that you are, with "no hangup"....and you think this is a discouraging
| factor for them....you might want to write up a HOW-TO, wrap together
| the utilities to implement that HOW-TO, and give it to me of Glenn and
| we'll post it, and link to it....for newUsers to download...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 58) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 11:16:24 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    The "broad" puts its own address in the blue URL link if
| one accidently leaves an empty space in the URL box......Yes....
| "the broad does it".
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 59) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 11:27:34 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   For some reason you are stuck on "no hangup".....that is
| just one of several things that happen "blindly" during the
| connection process. When I listen to the connection signals
| passing back and forth during the connection process, with 
| experience, I can usually tell when there is a failure
| occuring by the tones/sounds coming from my speaker. If I can
| hear a difference then surely there is someway to more specifically
| pin point the problem and report it to the user.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 60) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 11:37:27 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   I'm glad that you have found Arachne so easy to get online with
| ...but...based on my years of monitoring/participating in the Arachne
| Lists...I can tell you that there are many who have found it to be
| an insurmountable task.  If one is lucky and just happens to have
| a computer setup optimally for Arachne to be installed, then the
| Arachne install is a breeze....however....if the first attempt
| fails then getting connected can be a nightmare....I have personally
| experienced both senarios.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 61) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 11:48:59 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   glennmcc is overjoyed to see the hits on his Arachne site
| inceasing...that can be a good thing...IF...those visitors to glennmcc's
| site find what they want. <ggg> If those that download Arachne.zip
| and try to install it, get it installed and working. Then they can see
| how nice Arachne is and maybe they will get infatuated with her.  But,
| if she balks at installation and connection, then that's bad
| advertising. <ggg>  Do you notice how dead the lists are....not many
| newbies serching for help! <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 62) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 11:49:02 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...yes...we all have...but...getting online with Arachne is "easier"
| that with any other package....
| ..
| Now, for your "no hangup" problem....how many people are now having(or
| have had, in recent memory) problems with this "no hangup"....???
| ...
| Are there enough of them for you to go to the effort to document a clear
| and concise procedure for them to use to recover from that condition???
| ...
| And will you Document that procedure, and wrap it all together for Glenn
| or I to upload and post for those Users-having-problems and/or NewUSERS
| ....???
|  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 63) Sun, Apr 02, 2006 - 11:55:33 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...I think we do not want to conflate the two problems....FIRST -
| the problem of getting connected in the first place.  SECOND - the "no
| hangup" problem..
| ...
| Those are two different problems with two different sets of procedures
| for troubleshooting and correcting...
| ...
| We have a host of help for the FIRST....as I said...ArachnePackage is
| the "easiest" package to get online with that I have tried...
| ...
| The SECOND problem, I think we maybe do NOT have sufficient help for...
| at least...you think our ArachnePackage help for that problem is not
| enough.....
| ...
| So, the question is...do enough USERS (old and new) experience that "no
| hangup" problem, who do NOT already know how to solve it, to make it
| worth your time and effort for you to document/wrap/post the solution
| ...???
| ...if there are not many users running into that problem (who don't know
| how to solve it)...then...maybe it's not worth your time and effort..
| ...
| Just my thoughts...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 64) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 12:04:37 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...I have two problems...
| FIRST -
|
| 1.  ftp://ftp.arachne.virtualave.net/
| ..will not connect, the server just gives me back "530 incorrect login"
| error.
| QUESTION:
| Isn't this supposed to prompt for Username and Password....??? (I
| thought it always used to)..
|
| 2.  I have, in ARACHNE.CFG:
| Snipped from ARACHNE.CFG
|
| [internet]
| -----------snip---------
| FTPusername username(actual)
| FTPpassword password(actual)
| FTPhost ftp.provider.com
| FTPpath ftp://ftp.arachne.virtualave.net/
| -----------snip---------
|
| QUESTION:
| Shouldn't that "get me in"...???  The Username/Password are the correct
| ones, because I CAN connect using the form:
|
| ftp://username:password@ftp.arachne.virtualave.net/
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 65) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 12:14:19 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   I will repeat, your stuck on the "hangup problem" that you
| say "is no problem".  Again, that's not the point...Arachne should be
| telling us what is not working.  Arachne should be pin pointing the
| source of the problem.  What makes Arachne so desireable is the ease
| of adapting her to specific situations. She doesn't hide things.
| W$sucks intentionally hides as much as it can so that it only
| works the way M$sucks wants it to and so M$sucks knows how and
| where you are using it.  Increasing the size of the help manual
| just complicates things.  Refining Arachne's connection procedure and
| providing more meaningful error messages that pinpoint the error source
| will reduce the manual size and make Arachne more user friendly.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 66) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 12:22:34 am 
|
| gregy>
| SECOND problem:
|
| 1.  I have, onscreen, "file:R:\11test.txt"
| 2.  I press F2 and it brings up the SAVEpage, with "Upload current page
| using FTP" block at the bottom.
| 3.  The information in the "Upload...FTP block" boxes is:
|
| FTPServer: [ftp://ftp.arachne.virtualave.net/]
| Username: [correctUname]   Password: [correctPassword]
| Filename: [ftp://ftp.arachne.virtualave.net/apub/11test.txt]
|
| 4.  When I press "Upload page" button, it doesn't upload, doesn't even
| try to login/upload, just returns me to the view of page
| "file:R:\11test.txt"
| 5.  I have tried putting various different things in Filename-box, and
| different FTPServer-box (e.g. I tried the "ftp://username:password@ftp..
| yada.yada.net/)
|
| QUESTION:
| What is supposed to be in each of those boxes at the moment I press the
| "Upload page" button.....???
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 67) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 12:23:07 am 
|
| gregy>
| test
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 68) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 12:23:59 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ah...yes...I see...well...next upload, I'll kill that...<g g g>...the
| Email box will be vannniiisshed..!!!.....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 69) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 12:24:23 am 
|
| gregy>
| test
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 70) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 12:25:07 am 
|
| gregy>
| yup....that "invisible space" will sure do it....<g g gg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 71) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 12:25:45 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,     If someone tries but never gets connected with Arachne, then
| the "no hangup" error could be the problem but they will never know it.
| Just like using the wrong com port # could be the problem but if they
| don't get connected then they will never know it. And they will probably
| never try again....just like we can't persuade you to try lsppp again.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 72) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 12:37:20 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric..Re: 65...well...yes, it "is no problem" for me...but you have
| misread me about it not being a problem for you....or for anyone else
| who might be struggling with it...
| Please reread my post(s)....what I have been saying (and apparently not
| getting across) is that if it is a problem for you, and for a
| significant portion of the Arachne UserBase, then it SHOULD be dealt
| with....
| Which is why I suggested that it might be worth your while to document/
| wrap up/post your solution/procedure for dealing with it..
| ...
| As far as 
| "... Again, that's not the point...Arachne should be telling us what
| is not working.  Arachne should be pin pointing the ....."
| ...
| I agree...again, I remind you of my (months ago) hint/suggestion/request
| that "The Guys" might want to improve Arachne's detection of CD-loss to
| tell us (while we're ONLINE) that we have suddenly been dropped by our
| ISP, and are now, in fact, not ONline, but OFFline.....
| They are/have been working on it...you've seen their posts, too..
| ...
| As far as "no hangup" problem....I agree...but...however...(see next
| post)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 73) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 12:44:01 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...Re: 71...now I'm a bit confused...or, more likely, I haven't read
| your previous posts correctly.....I thought we were talking about the
| "no hangup" problem...
| ...
| Now we seem to be talking about the "no connect" problem...
| ...
| Okay....
| 1.  We have the MiniTerm/EPPPD pair for effecting connection, and that
| combination has numerous variables we can jink-around to achieve the
| connection.  Usually the connection successfully occurs "right-out-of
| -the-box...but we can usually tweak around to accomplish it in the end.
| 2.  For those intractible situations, where MTerm/EPPPD just will NOT
| connect, no matter how much we tweak....we have LSPPP, which will 
| usually solve THAT problem...
|
| So, we DO have sensible alternates for the ArachnePackage "getting
| connected"....
|
| QUESTION:  What other alternatives do you have for "getting connected"
| problem.....????
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 74) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 12:53:46 am 
|
| Eric>
| Just got xSwap error with Arachne 1.90   said:
|
| line 573 of htputil.c (not necessarily exact)
| ERRORLEVEL 1
| ERRORLEVEL 0
|
| I just clicked a link on the Encyclopedia Britanica site.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 75) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 12:53:52 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric..Re: 65..
|
| "... Again, that's not the point...Arachne should be telling us what
| is not working.  Arachne should be pin pointing the ....."
|
| As pertains to the "no hangup" problem...
| 1.  If we are ONline, and we properly ALT-X exit Arachne, Arachne itself
| collapses, but the tailend of the ARACHNE.BAT is still there, giving us
| the warning that we are still online (and, thus, the modem has NOT
| hung up the connection) and giving us the option of "arachne -u<enter>"
| to hangup the connection...then ArachnePackage completely collapses
| and "is no more"...(sob...<g>...)....
| QUESTION:  What more can/should the ArachnePackage do, beFORE it totally
| collapses/disappears...to ensure that the modem DOES hangup the
| connection......????
|
| 2.  If we are ONline, and we (dis)gracefully exit the ArachnePackage,
| said ArachnePackage is no longer responsible for anything....it has
| collapsed and disappeared.....
| QUESTION:  What solution do you propose for this occurance/situation..??
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 76) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 12:55:38 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...well, I'll let the experts deal with your "xSwap error" problem
| ...since my usual solution is the "sledgehammer approach".....<g g g>
| ..PWR OFF...g'bye.....<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 77) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 1:26:50 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,     Your intractably stuck on the "hangup problem".  When I
| just got the xSwap error it then told me to reboot when I pressed 
| a key.   I have not yet rebooted.   I tried to send a post and the
| board disappeared and an error page appeared and I lost my post.
| Don't tell me how to get it back...I know how...I did....but the
| reason I got the error page is because the connection was still
| there but the xSwap error somehow told Arachne there was no connection.
| I know that cause I'm psychic <ggg>, but Arachne didn't tell me that.
| ALT-D woke Arachne up to the fact that the connection was still there,
| but that's another psychic thing I know.  As far as I can tell, the
| packet driver was untouched and the connection was never disturbed
| but something internally makes Arachne think that both or one of
| those essentials is gone. This can also happen without any xSwap
| error occurance.  I don't know what ALT-D does that puts Arachne back
| into a surfing mode.  I would sure like to know! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 78) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 2:12:25 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...Re:  my 75 was in reply to your 74....there, you didn't mention
| that your "xSwap error" had caused a "no hangup" or "connection still
| there but Arachne keeps it secret"....problem......<g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 79) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 2:26:34 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray.....Re: 38.....
|
| "I figure I've got that CD detect working pretty good with Vladimir's
| help, it just needs some more testing (hint hint)."
|
| Will all I have to do is xcopy in your CORE.EXE ....??? ...or
| ARACHNE.BAT, too....???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 80) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 6:26:53 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    Re: #79 ..... I think that's a silly question....but try it
| and tell me what happens. <ggg>   Remember, I have a switch disk here
| that worked for Bastiaan <ggg>  and I think I sent it to you but it 
| may not have been the latest version...anyway, my guess is it probably
| got burned up along with your starter. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 81) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 6:50:29 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric....well, if I could find it...I'd be able to tell if it got burned
| up....<g g g g>
| ...
| Seriously...I just put his CORE.EXE, etc, in the appropriate "swap
| directory" and then just run CSWAP.BAT...and it automagically swaps
| things...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 82) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 6:53:41 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,    BTW, Re: proper shutdown of Arachne, when I am running
| Arachne for my own satisfaction, as opposed to testing format, I
| start and close Arachne with a custom batch file that I first made
| 9-10 yrs. ago. That Batch file either starts the installation or
| runs Arachne only depending on the parameters I supply and whether
| Archne has already been installed. That same batch file when I close
| Arachne asks me if I want to just abort Arachne or if I want to restart
| Arachne or if I wish a normal complete closure. The complete closure
| hangs up the modem (I hope), removes the packet driver, and clears the
| ENV of all ENV parameters set by Arachne.  I am always given these
| options when Arachne closes EXCEPT if a magical abort/reboot computer
| happens over which I have no control.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 83) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 6:56:51 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   Well, then run your CSWAP and let me know what happens. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 84) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 7:29:50 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...I know you mean the same as I'm gonna say....<g>...I have NO
| prob running CSWAP....<g g g>...it's that thar Ray's stuff that might
| blow my install away.....<g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 85) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 7:33:49 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn.....I've been deliberately using that CTRL-<enter> on links that
| I know need it....specifically the news.yahoo.com pages....and it is
| working "as specified" and "as desired"...
| ..
| FWIW...and I do NOT mean this is a bug...just expected normal operation,
| ..once the page has download in the background, it leaves the same page
| you were originally on up on the screen, and you have to click the link
| again, normally (plain old <enter> without the CTRL, or mouse click)
| to get that background-downloaded page to display on the screen...this
| is NOT something I want changed...in fact, it's a "feature"....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 86) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 7:39:32 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray....Re:...the CarrierDetect function....I am sure we want it to ONLY
| check, on event....and that ONE event that should trigger the check
| should be:
| 1.  Mouse-click on a link
| 2.  <enter>-click on a link (for folks of the Eric-persuasion who don't
| use a mouse....<g g g>
|
| At NO other times should the CarrierDetect module ever be activated..
| ...once we can get it working that way...then we can decide WHAT to
| have Arachne do, as a result of finding "CarrierDetect=NO"....
| ...I mean....there are certain things we MIGHT want it to do....NONE
| of which include "automatically redial"....
| ...but...
| we can discuss that after we find that your "CarrierDetect" module
| actually works....without slowing things down, or causing other problems
| ...
| However...if...IF....it is done "on event ONLY" as I described above,
| then it will NOT do either of those things..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 87) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 7:44:43 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric....once we get that CD-module working and debugged....we can see
| about linking it to "crash/relaunch" of Arachne.... I mean...whenever
| Arachne recovers (from xSwap, whatever) it DOES, now, recheck IP-UP.BAT
| ...or...at least...sometimes it does....but it should do, always...
| ..then...
| it could check CarrierDetect and %MYIP%..etc in the ENV..and..if all is
| there, it should just indicate with Online-timer-indicator...and keep
| on trucking...
| ...
| I don't think that's too far from "doable".....<g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 88) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 8:13:30 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,  The way I understand this CarDet thing is that if Carrier
| can't be found then it is assumed a hangup has occured or that 
| at least the line connection has been broken. It doesn't necessarily
| indicate that the modem is prepared for dialing again. Right?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 89) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 8:23:04 am 
|
| gregy>
| hmmm..Eric...I would deduce that, once the modem lost Carrier, it DID
| automatically "hangup" the phoneline....that's what all my modems do
| ..but...I don't have ALL of everybody's modems, so I can't say for sure
| about theirs...<g g g>
| ...
| But, normal modem operation, loss of Carrier on almost any modem (again,
| I allow there may be exceptions)...would immediately cause the modem
| to hangup....
| ..
| As I said...ALL my modems....and that includes 1each 28K Motorola, 1each
| 56K Phoebe, 1each 56K BestData, 6each 56K Cendine (all external) and
| 1each 56K ISA Internal USR Sportster......
| ...
| They all DO automatically hangup when they lose Carrier...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 90) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 8:23:55 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ever since the first modem I ever owned and worked with, I have found
| modems to be quirky devils that don't seem to always behave the way
| one expects.  I have spent hours trying to get a modem to work and
| then finally replace it with another that I get working.  Then at
| some later date when the modem I'm using gets flakey I pull the
| old "broken modem" out of the box in despairation and try it....and...
| darn if it doesn't start working but I don't know why! <ggg>.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 91) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 8:27:13 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn.....had a "wild thought" with checking out this CTRL-<enter>
| background downloading.....he he he....
| ..
| I went to a blog page (corner.nationalreview.com) and started reading
| posts, from the bottom-up (of course, first, first)...CTRL-<enter>ing
| as I went along (without re-clicking any of the links)....then..when
| I'd read all the posts up to the top.....I pressed "END" to return me
| to the bottom of the page, and went up the blog, now clicking on those
| links that I'd previously d/led "in the background" so-to-speak....
| ...he he he....
| ..worked perfectly......<g g g gg g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 92) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 8:28:45 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric....it's magic...that's what it is....it's those tiny little
| electro-pixies.....they just luuuuvvvvv to mystify us....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 93) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 8:30:42 am 
|
| gregy>
| It's like when you do "something strange" inside some plugged-in piece
| of electronic equipment, and, suddenly, you let "the magic smoke" out
| ....sorta like deflating a helium balloon....it ain't NEVER gonna fly
| from then on.....which proves that "magic smoke" is what makes all this
| new modern-day wonders working.....<g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 94) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 8:40:14 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy, Well, I have three modems right here (for sure the two "real"
| modems)(the software modem has it's own problems) that when I check
| the line by lifting up the phone I know the connection is broken 
| since I get a dial tone but the browser acts like the connection
| is still there EXCEPT that it refuses to download any links.
| THEN, if I try to redial the modem refuses to work unless the
| power is removed from the modem or I use BCOM or some other
| utility to wake-up the modem. It would seem that a modem when
| hanging up properly ought to set itself up to be dialed when
| next asked to.  What good is a disconnected modem that refuses
| to dial?  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 95) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 8:51:26 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,     That's what you did with your starter, eh....you let
| the magic smoke out!  I have a nice RLL HDD controller here that
| I let the smoke out of it when the last time I reinstalled it (which
| I must have done at least 1x10 to the sixth power times), I installed
| it backwards since it had no metal plate on the end to prevent me
| from being stupid.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 96) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 10:14:23 am 
|
| gregy>
| now...imagine that...I had a nice little RLL HDD controller card in my
| XT, and it ALSO had no backplate....and....I smoked THAT one, too...
| ...
| (however...NOT, mind you, from pluging it in BACKWARDS...!!!!.....
| sheeesh..!!!....some people.....!!!!)
| ...
| <gg g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 97) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 4:16:20 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yo! Can't remember all the stuff I just read ;-)
|
| Eric,
|
| One thing to keep in mind is that because Arachne is just the
| passive recipiant of a connection, she can't very easily notify us
| why something isn't working -- it's not a fault in her internal code,
| rather some problem with the packet driver. The best she can do
| is redirect the output of the driver to ppp.log and show us that, 
| which she offers to do on the dial page by giving us a link to that
| file.
|
| Gregy,
|
| At the moment the CD test happens on any keyboard event and on
| startup, seems fine. One could restrict the test to specific
| keyboard events but the extra filters and tests would probably be
| more trouble than they are worth, since the test is very fast
| anyway. The whole thing is still experimental tho, so no doubt
| there are changes in store. Vladimir has different results than
| me so there are things to sort out for sure. BTW as to using
| my core, I'd recomend using Eric's core swapper method, it's 
| bomb proof. Don't worry about it trashing your instal, unless of
| course you find a bug that crashes it and have to restart. Other
| than that, you should be able to swap cores back and forth with
| little trouble, I do it constantly.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 98) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 4:33:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gregy,
|
| You don't need to kill either the email box nor the URL box to eliminate
| the 'inadvertant space' problem.
|
| Just go grab the current code for my board and implement the same fix I
| did a couple of months ago.
|
| BRB
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 99) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 4:37:19 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oops.... mis-spoke on how long ago it was.
|
| It was exactly one month ago today.
|
| // Mar 03, 2006 -- prevent problems due to inadvertent space
| // in URL and EMAIL fields
|    if (strlen($url)<3) { $url = "";}
|    if (strlen($email)<3) { $email = ""; }
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 100) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 4:45:13 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| A little piece of trivia for ya to ponder.
|
|            My site stats
|
| ar173  904 (Mar 20, 2004 to Oct 01, 2004)
| ar175 5793 (Mar 20, 2004 to Oct 01, 2004)
| ar177 2729 (Jun 26, 2004 to Dec 09, 2004)
| ar179 2472 (Dec 25, 2004 to Feb 16, 2005)
| ar181 1605 (Feb 16, 2005 to Mar 06, 2005)
| ar183 5417 (Mar 06, 2005 to Jul 27, 2005)
| ar185 3334 (Jul 27, 2005 to Oct 30, 2005)
| ar187 1345 (Oct 30, 2005 to Nov 20, 2005)
| ar189 7275 (since Nov 27, 2005)
|
| How many of those many thousands do you suppose has had 'major problems'
| getting connected ?
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 101) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 4:52:41 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Concerning the lists being 'dead'.
|
| FYI,
|
| I have been on every Arachne list since 1996 and I can tell from years
| of experience that rhe lists _always_ go 'dead' starting about a month
| or so after each new release.
|
| In addition.... with each new release there have been fewer and fewer
| bugs for users to report.
|
| Therefore each new release has less and less 'bug report traffic' on
| the mailing lists.
|
| This has been true for all releases right from the get-go way back in
| Dec of 1996 with the release of v1.0,beta2
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 102) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 4:57:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gregy,
|
| ftp://ftp.arachne.virtualave.net/
|
| That will do an anonymous login.
|
| This wil prompt you for the password....
|
| ftp://username@ftp.arachne.virtualave.net/
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 103) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 5:00:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| 2nd problem.......
|
| Filename: [ftp://ftp.arachne.virtualave.net/apub/11test.txt]
|
|
| Nope... wrong
|
|
| Filename: [/apub/11test.txt]
|
| Yep... right.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 104) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 5:09:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| re: Xswap crash.
|
| Is/was your setup using IgnoreJS 'Yes' or 'No' ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 105) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 5:13:02 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Also ... it will help me tremendously to track-down the problem
| if you can remember the exact URL of the link that you clicked that
| caused it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 106) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 5:16:49 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to 'no connection after the crash'.
|
| Most times but not always..... clicking "Restart Arachne Now"
| will get you going again without rebooting and without doing an Alt+D
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 107) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 5:21:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gregy,
|
| re: Ctrl+Enter staying on the same page.
|
| Use ths instead...
|
| EnterBGDL Yes
|
| Now just <enter> on the link instead of Ctrl+Enter
|
| The D/L will happemn in the Background and the page will be viewed
| when the D/L is complete.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 108) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 8:16:47 pm 
|
| ray>
| RE: 100: I'm not sure that statistic makes your point.  Since
| we don't seem to know how much sucsess OR failure these people had
| with Arachne, it is premature to say how many potential users
| we lost due to connection/setup trouble. It could be that 80% of
| them just gave up or visa versa. You might have some feedback from
| these folks and know more than we do however. Me, I wish you had
| some warm invatation on your site for these folks to join one of
| the lists or to at least report back on how they liked Arachne.
| So many potential new users, so little feedback.
|
| RE 101: Rodger that! We are rapidly running out of bugs to squash.
| Time for the Arachne inplementatio of JS -- the only one out there
| that's user controlable and totaly safe :-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 109) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 8:33:50 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW, what do you guys think of this: I've made my code so that
| after you ESC from dialing, it just quitely goes back to the
| page you were looking at, not some error page. It seems to me that
| ESC'ing from dialing *isn't* an error. Vladimir disagrees, he
| say's the page should show. What say?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 110) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 9:04:03 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   What is the default for IgnoreJS?  I don't find it
| in my arachne.cfg
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 111) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 9:09:01 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  Re: link that caused xSwap error, I was on the page
| that one gets when one uses "define: [some word]" in the URL box.
| That page has a link for more info at Encycl. Britan.. I clicked
| on that link.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 112) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 9:29:54 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re: #109 - ESC from dialing
| If I ALT-H, I want to stay on the page showing when I ALT-H.
| If I am not connected and I click on a link then I get an error page
| that says it can't download the link page...If I then ALT-D I connect
| and then the page of the link is downloaded.  That's good.
| If I know that I'm not connected and ALT-D to connect...then...ESC to
| abort the dialing...the Dialing Aborted page should come up...but...
| I don't like autoredial, so I always disable autoredial on that page.
| I don't disable REFRESH in the arachne.cfg because I want that to work.
| If I want the page back from which I dialed then if I don't redial I
| just press CTRL-L Arrow. If I redial right away then that page from
| which I dialed will return, I think.  I think I should work like this.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 113) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 9:40:52 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re: post #100
| glennmcc,    I think I already gave my opinion on this in my
| post #61  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 114) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 9:46:16 pm 
|
| ray>
| I agree there should be an error page when you aren't connected,
| but I still feel that ESC'ing a dial isn't an error if it does
| exactly what it should do -- abort the dial. Heck, we don't get an
| error page when aborting a download ... or maybe we should?
| Hmmmm, and we do get an error page when aborting email downloads,
| which doesn't bother me. Am I being inconsistent?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 115) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 9:47:25 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   You want to be optimistic, and that's good, and assume
| that all those hits on your site are from happy connected campers.
| Go right ahead....but I haven't run into anyone else using
| Arachne in my contacts except on the Internet and mostly on 
| Arachne lists.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 116) Mon, Apr 03, 2006 - 10:04:37 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Why doesn't BGDL (CTRL-ENTER) work when the URL is entered
| into the URL box?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 117) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 1:45:08 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....102/103....thanks....maybe NOW I will FINALLY get the Arachne
| FTP to work.....<g g g>
| ...
| Re:...107...."EnterBGDL Yes".....hmmmmm...thanks, I'll keep that in
| mind...but...he he he....I said that I didn't consider it a bug...
| <g g g>...
| ..in fact....I LIKE it that it d/ls in the background AND DOES NOT
| display until I go back and "click that link" normal-style....that
| way I can click links while I'm reading up/down, and, when I'm finished,
| I can go back and read the pages from the links....without getting my
| frame-of-concentration broken.....
| ...
| ...but...just for kicks...I'll put it in my .CFG and comment it out,
| until I feel like trying it...and/or using it...
| ...
| he he he....this ArachnePackage.....it suuuurrrreeee gives a guy "just
| what he wants".....<g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 118) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 1:49:01 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray....109...nope...leave it the way it is....<g>...why???...because it
| IS an ABEND...so let the error page come up....as for breaking a
| download....NO....don't bring up another, different error page...as it
| is now...it conforms to "browser-standard" and displays a "blank"...
| which even mz$loth hasn't buggered up.....ALL the graphical browsers do
| this...the textLynx doesn't....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 119) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 1:52:45 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray....Re:  Eric's "swap-er-rooney"..."it's crash proof"....hey...you
| remember that I was testing your cores before Eric....<g g g>...and
| my CSWAP is "crashproof".....unless you're REALLY going off the rails
| with some kinda wild thingee....<g g g>
| ..
| All I should HAVE to do is swap the CORE.EXE....but...we KNOW that with
| your stuff....we gotta swap both CORE.EXE and ARACHNE.BAT....you munged
| up sumpin else....????
| ...<g g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 120) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 4:20:57 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   Disclaimer: I never said my "swaperooney" was crash proof.
| It's try at your own risk!  As I said before, I've learned that
| whenever something APPEARS crash proof some "crash dummy" always
| comes along, takes a ride, and proves me wrong! There is no such
| thing as instructions with ONLY ONE interpretation! <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 121) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 7:24:39 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...I know you never made exhorbitant claims...it was "that Ray"
| who was doing it....tryin'na get you inta trouble again....<g g g>
| ..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 122) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 7:29:47 am 
|
| ray>
| I never said 'crash proof', I said 'bomb proof' there's a big
| difference. If core crashes, there's nothing that the swapping
| .bat could possibly do about it.
|
| Gregy, I've 'munged' up a couple more files since then, quite true.
|
| -toolbar.cfg is less than 1/2 as long but more powerful and faster
| -vga.htm has the ega and cga stuff removed.
|
| and there are new files as well, but since I made 'em I'll mung them
| as much as I want ;-)
|
| Your swapper .bat only needs to be set up once to move them all.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 123) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 7:29:58 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...I've got a lot of build & source .ZIPs up on my AVA site, where
| I posted them so Vladimir could easily d/l them...the latest is NOV..
| ...can I clean that directory out...or do you still want me to leave
| them up there..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 124) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 7:33:34 am 
|
| gregy>
| Alright <bump>...you sendem/postem (don't you have a Tripod site, now..
| ??..seems as if I saw Glenn set one up for you...)...???
| ..but...you send/post them....and I'll ask questions if I don't see
| where to swap them in.....
| ...
| ...but...you gotta give me some instructions...and some patience...
| ..
| I'm right in the throes of installing new HDDs in my P133 box, with all
| that that entails (all new OSes and Apps...only thing I've got on here
| is DOS and Arachne..)..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 125) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 1:23:46 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| I suppose any non-major stuff can go, but the stuff sent to Yahoo
| should be mirrored, I'd say. I'll send an .exe latter today. Don't
| worry about patience with getting it going, it's taken for granted
| that there will be a bit of a learning curve there. Eric was the
| first to try it and so we've got it more or less figured out but there
| will always be some bother.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 126) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 4:18:54 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| //!!glennmcc: begin May 03, 2002
| // added to optionally "ignore" <script> tag
| // (defaults to No if "IgnoreJS Yes" line is not in Arachne.cfg)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 127) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 4:21:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| What was the word you were defining ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 128) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 4:24:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:" Why doesn't BGDL (CTRL-ENTER) work when the URL is entered
| into the URL box?"
|
| Because I don't want it to.
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 129) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 4:28:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gregy,
|
| That's the great thing about  'EnterBGDL Yes'
|
| The enter key by itself does the BG download and views the page
| instantly upon completeing the D/L ... AND ... the Ctrl+Enter
| still works the same way.
|
| So........ you _can_ have your cake and eat it too. :)))
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 130) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 4:45:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Have you never changed any of the settings on 'Options/Internet settings'
| and then saved those changes ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 131) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 6:19:38 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...ahhhhh....I see.....<g g g>......yummmmm..I'll hafta sample
| that....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 132) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 6:22:47 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray....no...Eric wasn't the "first" one to "try" it...I was....<g g g>
| ...however...you've gotten weirder-and-weirder...so...I'll have to get
| caught up on your current "twisted way".....<g g g>
| ...
| No....I don't have anything to do with the "stuff stashed on Yahoo"...
| ...all I'm asking about is the junk builds, etc, on my HDDs....so..I'm
| gonna make a "shelflife" rule, right now....EVERYTHING older than 
| X-months is just gonna go...unless it's in use on a regular basis...
| ..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 133) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 6:45:30 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| "it" above refered to the 'wierd' cores only. IIRC last time you
| tried one of mine, it was still more or less compatible.
| As to the junk, right, I was just saying that a mirror of the Yahoo
| stuff on AVA would be nice, just get rid of the rest.
|
| As to my twistedness, my core has almost 80K more memory that
| Glenn's and is now about 5% faster, those changes require some
| things to be done differently, it really can't be helped.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 134) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 7:43:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| According to memcore.dgi.... my core.exe is using.... 428,320 bytes.
|
| What's yours down to ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 135) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 8:53:56 pm 
|
| ray>
| 'more info' shows 374,496. Hmmm, 53K difference, how come
| my Free DOS mem shows almost 80K difference? Nuts we've been over
| this before and I can't remember why <;-) I'm: 264,960 now and you
| are: ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 136) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 8:57:03 pm 
|
| ray>
| (back w. 1.87) 
|
| ... 186256 or ... 78,704 diference.
|
| I wrote the answer to this down once, but forgot where I put it ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 137) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 9:06:09 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re: options/settings - Post #130
| glennmcc,   Yes, I have used that page a few times. Why do you ask?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 138) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 10:40:46 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  Re: #127 - I don't remember what word I used "define"
| for...I don't think it makes any difference...My guess is that
| a similar page is call at Encycl. Britanica regardless of the
| word under introspection.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 139) Tue, Apr 04, 2006 - 11:58:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Dos mem 215472[+] green
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 140) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 12:00:52 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Why do I ask ?
|
| Because you said you don't have an IgnoreJS line in arachne.cfg
|
| If you got to options/internet settting and hit save and then use new
| settings.... you'll have an IgnoreJS line in arachne.cfg
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 141) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 1:28:22 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Re: #140 - options page - IgnoreJS - I know that, Duh...<ggg>
| I thought there was a reason to leave IgnoreJS No except if a
| problem appeared....right!    The trouble is we don't know there's
| a problem 'til it happens.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 142) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 4:06:47 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  Is there such a thing as "IgnoreJS No" or is there
| only "IgnoreJS Yes" ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 143) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 6:52:43 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| 'No' is the default.
|
| 'Yes' turns it on.
|
| Any time you go to opt_net.ah and save it and choose to use new settings
| and the box for IgnoreJS is 'unchecked' ... it saves the line 'IgnoreJS No'
| into arachne.cfg
|
| If you check the box... 'IgnoreJS Yes' is written into arachne.cfg
|
| As to not knowing there is a problem till it happens.
|
| That's why I wrote this little discription of what to look for which
| _might_ indicate that it's needed. <gggg>
|
| "IgnoreJS should only be enabled in those situations where a page will not d
| correctly and you suspect that the problem might be either invalid or incorr
| commented JS. At all other times, IgnoreJS should be left disabled."
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 144) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 6:56:44 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| But anyways.... ;-)
|
| I was only asking about because you said you did not have an IgnoreJS
| line in your arachne.cfg at-all.
|
| If you have been to opt_net.ah, saved it and chose to use new
| settings..... the line will be in arachne.cfg
|
| So.... have you done that but switched .CFGs back to one that did not
| have that line in it ?
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 145) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 7:15:11 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    The simple direct answer to my question would have been
| "YES", there  is such a thing as "IgnoreJS No" .   However, it is not
| found in the arachne.cfg untill you save the options with/on the opt_net.ah 
| regular basis, I think "IgnoreJS No" should always be in arachne.cfg
| unless one asks for "IgnoreJS Yes" with the opt_net.ah page.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  146) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 7:44:11 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  Re: your note about "IgnoreJS Yes/No ?"
| That's just what I remembered and said. <gggg>  I haven't lost my memory
| yet....at least not all of it! <ggg>  However, as I said also, if that's
| what caused the xSwap error, then...the problem is that we don't know
| to turn it on untill the memory is already disconbobbled. That's kind
| of like locking the gate on the coral after the horses have already
| headed out for the open pasteurs. <ggg>   Or like throwing the anchor
| overboard before you have tied the anchor rope to the boat! <ggg>  All
| three of those circumstances get one that "AW SH*T" response. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  147) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 7:58:49 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  If the xSwap error occurs while I'm writing a post to
| this board..... no big thing...just "Darn it!"...but...if I'm making
| a banking transaction..."@&$(%!)%^#*{^}@#$*^Q*SOB#%!". (repeat that 
| a few times) <ggggg>  Or worse yet, if I'm sending reply to "Deal or
| No Deal" for the $20,000.00 lottery question...<gggg>...I'll refrain
| from posting that response. <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  148) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 8:23:24 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| IgnoreJS either 'Yes' or 'No' has not been _known_ to cause any Xswap crashe
|
| But since it _is_ possible... I am in the habbit of asking what it's
| setting was at the time of the crash as a 'just in case' measure.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 149) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 8:30:11 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| And as to making a bank transaction ....
|
| You got nothing to worry about in that respect because there is about a
| 99.99999999999% chance that that particular situation will never arrise
| in Arachne because 99.99999999999% of banking sites require https access
| which Arachne does not have and most likely will never have.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 150) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 8:32:50 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| And if I'm not mistaken.....
|
| You still have nothing but JUNO mail so you got no worrys on the
| $20,000.00 lottery 'cause you're using that 110% stable WinShit JUNO
| software to do your email.
|
| <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 151) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 8:43:00 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  NO...I got you <ggg>...I use Arachne....it works with
| Arachne....It's not email....of course, I've picked the right case
| number several times now and I still haven't won any money...so...
| maybe it just looks like it's working...but I always get the confirmation
| page! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  152) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 8:51:14 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   What happened to your positive attitude? Re: #149 
| I doubt that Arachne is going to fluorish if she doesn't start
| dancing the Tango with HTPPS and JS before too long. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  153) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 8:57:08 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     would the memory setting for GIFs cause a xSwap error?
| That GIF setting still seems to be a rather intangible setting. <ggg>
| Does your core still require two keywords....one/all?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  154) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 9:04:01 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope.... no problem with animated gif setting/Xswap
|
| And yes... mine still uses both keywords.
|
| It's Ray's forte, not mine to screw with keywords.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 155) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 9:06:25 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| As for the 'positiove attitude'.
|
| My attitude is very positive.
|
| I am positive that Arachne will never have either HTTPS nor JS.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 156) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 9:23:09 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Buitlt-in ... that-is.
|
| External HTTPS we already have via the Arachne/Lynx interface I made.
|
| External JS will become possible _IF_ we can get the OK to release as GPL
| the JS interface that Howard Wulf made.
|
| But 'internal HTTPs' and 'internal JS'..... nope... never.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 157) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 11:06:33 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| I just finished a routine 'clean-up' of my drives and found an
| unfamiliar file named $JUNK$ located in C:\TEMP\
|
| Was that from my test-run of your core.exe ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 158) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 5:06:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Have you improved your free memory that much lattely or is this
| some measuring glitch? If the former, that's an incredible improvement,
| what did you do?
|
| As to HTTPS, why the hell shouldn't it be built in? If lynx can
| do it, we can do it. As to JS, gotta agree, the best we'll be able
| to do is use an external filter.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 159) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 5:08:56 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, $JUNK$ you say? Yep, that's from me it's the dummy file that
| checks if a directory can be written to. The idea is there in 
| the old code too, I just changed the name of the file.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 160) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 5:27:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK, kewl.
|
| But I don't like 'junk' being left on HDD.
|
| Arachne.bat should have deleteted that file when I hit Alt+X
|
| You need to fix that dude.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 161) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 5:29:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to my memory.
|
| Those are just my current stats.
|
| I have had my compile down to as low as 360,000
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 162) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 7:13:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| Right, it should be deleted, thanks.
| As to your stats, are you tinkering with static/overlay again?
|
| So am I.
|
| There are lots of functions that absolutely for sure needn't be
| static but are. Running my FUNCTRAC log, you can see that, for
| example, the fancy drawing routines in svgastat should be overlayed
| but the rest must be static. I've broken the file up to accomodate.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 163) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 7:14:49 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| My current 'max mem experimental' compile....
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/maxmem.gif
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 164) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 7:40:31 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yep, there's progress to be made there for sure.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 165) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 7:44:18 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW, that URL gregy posted on the MISC board hangs here with all cores,
| it this one of those blasted toggles?
|  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 166) Wed, Apr 05, 2006 - 8:10:03 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| define 'hangs' ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 167) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 6:55:26 am 
|
| ray>
| Locks up solid with my core. With 1.87 starts howling and then
| crashes.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 168) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 2:23:00 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...Re:...165/167....which URL (on which message No.) that I posted
| ...???....
| ..and...was that with the normal 1.90 core...??? ..or with one of your
| cores...???
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 169) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 3:11:25 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| It was the 'humaneventsonline' site, and it happened with all cores
| up to 1.89. And it seemed to screw up my system too, after I rebooted,
| my modem wouldn't work at all. I farted around switching modems
| and determined that the com port itself was fouled up. A CMOS 
| restore seemed to fix it tho.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 170) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 5:18:46 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray my man....
|
| With 1.87 starts howling and then crashes.
|
| Define 'howling'.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 171) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 5:20:22 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Is this the URL in question ?
|
| http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=13714
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 172) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 5:27:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Found the problem.
|
| <body ....... background="/images/new/page_bg.gif">
| http://www.humaneventsonline.com/images/new/page_bg.gif
| Specs ....... 3000x1x8c 
|
| 3000 pixells wide by 1 pixell high
|
|
| This is exactly why I made the 'BGimages Yes/No' option.
|
| Options/Prefs. & Perf.
|
| Uncheck this box... save the changes... choose to use new settings.
|
| _ Display HTML background images
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 173) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 7:48:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Just now used the Arachne/Lynx HTTPS interface to pay my phone/DSL bill
|
| Works like a charm. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 174) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 8:34:03 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ah, right, 'howling': many beeps so close together that it sound
| like a continuous 'howl'.
|
| 3000 pixels x 1 pixel ??? what on God's green earth is that
| supposed to do?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 175) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 8:35:33 pm 
|
| ray>
| Anyway, I don't got that yet, will steal it via Joe when he
| releases.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 176) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 8:45:32 pm 
|
| ray>
| Come to think of it, let's see if I can trace it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 177) Thu, Apr 06, 2006 - 9:04:20 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re:"3000 pixels x 1 pixel ??? what on God's green earth is that
| supposed to do?"
|
| It's the background image that the IDIOT who wrote that page used.
| <body ....... background="/images/new/page_bg.gif">
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 178) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 4:36:26 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...Ray....that humaneventsonline is a really good site...but...
| as usual...the idiot webmaster is constantly trying to "impress the
| masses"....and he/she almost always falls flat on his face....!!!
| ...
| I've email-dinged him numerous times (with never a reply...which doesn't
| surprise me...since I'm very NOT nice in my dings)....but...he usually
| very quickly straightens his crap out.....only to mess it up further
| ....he he he
| sorry sucker NEVER learns.....
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 179) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 4:37:36 am 
|
| gregy>
| However...Ray...I have NEVER had a crash on that site, over 3-4 years of
| accessing it...with all the versions during those years....so....you've
| got a bad installation, there....that's the fact of it...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 180) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 6:55:30 am 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| A partial screencap of humaneventsonline at the <URL>.
|
| The background image makes the left blue-gray navbar and its vertical
| divider; the white text area backround, the vertical divider with the
| slight drop shadow and the blue-gray empty space to the right. It's
| so wide cos they assume no-one will use a really high resolution screen
| so their pattern won't get the chance to repeat, but peeps are already
| running at 3840×1200 and 3840×1024, though I doubt the "viewport" is
| that size. The actual page is designed for 800x600, instead of being a
| fluid design which could adapt to almost any viewport size.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  181) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 9:43:54 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gregy,
|
| Nope, there's nothing wrong with Ray's install.
|
| Go to that link and load the images.
|
| But be ready for this.........
|
| As soon as Arachne tries to render the page with that 3000x1 BGimage....
|
| CRASH !!!!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 182) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 9:45:43 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Jake,
|
| What browser were you using for that Screen-cap ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 183) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 10:03:30 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I am getting an abort from my email download.  I have 15 msgs
| and I abort at 9 msgs. How do I use your e-mail grabber to get all of
| them.   As usual I can't tell you what version of yours I'm running
| because it is not displayed anywhere on the page right now! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 184) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 10:09:20 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  Version 1.85:B6b:5q    I sure wish you would leave your
| version number displayed all the time....because of your naming
| conventions, it's impossible for me to remember it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 185) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 11:16:02 am 
|
| Jake>
| Re: #182 ~ I justso happened to be using Opera 7.53 for Win32.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  186) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 12:22:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Still using that old thing ????
|
| Opera is free now ya know ?
|
| I got v8.x for both Win32 and Linux.
|
| Works pretty nice too. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 187) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 12:46:12 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| When it hangs on an email just press ESC and make your choise from the
| popup menu shown, usualy you'd S-kip the first time, then check what
| you've got, confirm it's garbage, then grab the mail again, but this
| time D-elete to get rid of it. But if you've got your setup to
| not delete mail from server, it won't do it .... Hmmmm, what do you
| think of this: it seemed to me that my code shouldn't override the
| 'leavemailonserver' keyword (or however it is) but now I'm just
| thinking that it might be cool to be able to use the popup to
| delete mails *regardless* of that setting, it could be quite
| convinient, what do you think? 
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 188) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 1:57:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yes, if you hit ESC to pop-up your 'menu of choices' ... chossing D should
| delete that one message regardles of the CFG setting.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  189) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 4:09:29 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, why not? the choice is (what's the word ...) unequivocal? 
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 190) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 4:19:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep,
|
| Anyways,  why would ya want it to _not_ delete it when you explicitly said '
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 191) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 6:40:33 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Does the message that was jumped over show up as a 
| "no subject", zero byte message in one's Inbox?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 192) Fri, Apr 07, 2006 - 6:46:05 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     Re: Deleting bad email ...It makes logical sense to
| have D delete the email in question......but.....I'm personally
| against single key/keystroke deletion of files. It's too easy to
| make an irreversible mistake.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 193) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 3:10:14 am 
|
| Jake>
| Don't tell Cav. I argued against a one-hit scrubbing of the cache contents.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  194) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 6:04:17 am 
|
| gregy>
| Jake....but...you were arguing against Michael....<g g g>....
| ...
| BTW...Jake....on the AVE, I set up a "personal directory" for you and
| me and Glenn...
| ..it's.....
| .yada/apub/jjy/
| ...
| ..hope you guys keep the size below our 1000Mbyte limit, and keep that
| thar traffic below our 10GByte per month limit.....<g g g g g>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 195) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 6:05:43 am 
|
| gregy>
| oops...that's "on the AVA"....
| ..
| and Glenn....yours is at:
|
| .yada/apub/gmcc/
|
| (I almost named it "gmc" until I remember that you're running a FORD)
| ....<g g g g>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 196) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 2:29:05 pm 
|
| ray>
| re 190, 191. Yeah, it's windowzy to give a clear command and then
| have the program ask you if you're 'sure'. Besides, Eric, it isn't
| a single keystroke, since you only get the 'D' choice after pressing
| ESC, and that menu is only normaly seen in exceptional situations
| anyway so you know you're doing something a bit out of the ordinary.
| Message gone.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 197) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 3:03:22 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gregy,
|
| Thank you very much sir.
|
| I doubt that I'll need to use it very much... but it's nice to have
| as a 'just in case it's ever needed' kind of a thing.
|
| BTW,
| Mine is now renamed to .yada/apub/glennmcc/
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 198) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 3:05:15 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| BTW2,
|
| As a 'return the favor' kind of a thing....... aragplca
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 199) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 3:12:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| http access /prj/
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 200) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 3:52:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| ar189 7600 (since Nov 27, 2005)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 201) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 4:15:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://yada/apub/glennmcc/
|
| This Page Is Valid HTML 4.01 Strict!
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 202) Sat, Apr 08, 2006 - 8:39:03 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Sorry, forgot to answer your question: The 'bad' email should show
| up looking normal in the inbox list, and howevermuch of it was
| downloaded before the abort will be in the file as per usual.
| Seems to me Glenn has a way of making them look different which 
| would be most cool.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 203) Sun, Apr 09, 2006 - 2:46:32 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Re: #196 -  What's the matter, are you afraid to admit that
| you can make a mistake? <ggg>  Preventing an irreversible error
| is the sign of good programmimg....I thought that was your goal...
| not worrying about whether something was "Windowzy" or not.
| Maybe you should re-read my post...I didn't specifically say don't
| do it! I said in general I have a firm dislike for single keystroke
| commands that can produce an irreversible error and I don't really
| care if you think that is "Windowzy" or not, I still feel the same
| way!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 204) Sun, Apr 09, 2006 - 5:43:30 am 
|
| Jake>
| Yup, hitting a key by mistake does not constitute giving a clear command,
| if the outcome is loss of data or, in some cases, closing of the program.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  205) Sun, Apr 09, 2006 - 6:31:20 am 
|
| Eric>
| There is no way to eliminaate all errors...<ggg>...accidental or
| careeless or stupid ass...but...eliminating the use of single
| keystroke commands for irreversible processees at least eliminates 
| those errors caused by an accidental keypress. After all, "s" and "d"
| are right next to each other on the keyboard. 
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 206) Sun, Apr 09, 2006 - 8:36:31 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I basicaly agree. When I create my alternate keyboard, all 
| irreversable commands will be 'double key' like ^D or such, but
| I don't like 'confirmation' screens. The former is good sense,
| the latter is windozy IMHO, and of course you are free to
| prefer either one. As to the 'D' in my popup, I suppose it could
| be ^D now, but I still consider that code to be experimental so
| I haven't been inclined to worry about it. Besides, it remains true
| that you can't do it by accident, since you must press ESC first
| in any case.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 207) Sun, Apr 09, 2006 - 8:42:06 am 
|
| ray>
| But, the point at issue was whether the delete would be allowed
| at all when 'keeponserver Y'. And on that, I think Glenn is right,
| it's a nice way of being able to override that setting in a
| safe, deliberate way.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 208) Sun, Apr 09, 2006 - 9:29:56 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    How does ESC stop one from accidently pressing "D" instead
| of "S" after your menu comes up?  I don't delete my messages from my
| mailbox server after download w/Arachne. I leave them there to pickup
| and save on my other computer which usually doesn't have trouble
| downloading the email which Arachne doesn't like.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 209) Sun, Apr 09, 2006 - 11:39:11 am 
|
| ray>
|
| I guess it's just that after pressing ESC and getting the popup,
| I'm thinking that one would be fully aleart to the fact that one
| is about to do something significant. Still, you have a point about
| 'S' and 'D' being so close to each other that a simple mechanical
| error could occur. It is by no means sure that this popup will
| even be needed in future, since I'm confident I have a more automatic
| answer to the email thing in the works, but if the popup endures,
| I'll change the delete to ^D as mentioned previously.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 210) Sun, Apr 09, 2006 - 1:35:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Do you mean something like this option....
|
| 'Options/Pres. & Perf.'
|
| X Warn before clearing Cache 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 211) Sun, Apr 09, 2006 - 1:36:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now that single key-press of the F8 key brings-up....
|
| file:l:\arachne\system\gui\warn_clr.ah
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 212) Sun, Apr 09, 2006 - 6:32:47 pm 
|
| gregy>
| well...Glenn...you don't have an INDEX.HTM in your /glennmcc/ so it
| just gives the "404 page not found".."You do not have permission, etc"
| ...
| AVA does not allow access to server directories....unlike hi-line.net
| and AFAIR...cisnet....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 213) Sun, Apr 09, 2006 - 6:58:26 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Eric...."..shoot over your head."....I hope I don't seem to be "talking
| down" ...I've only given a surface description of the experience...
| ..because...in minutiea.."The devil's in the details"...<g g g>...Truth
| be told....I'd have to get into details about things which I don't even
| clearly remember....and about which, at the time, I didn't really
| understand, much of...anyway.....
| ...
| The physicist and the mathwiz walked me thru it...I used my specialized
| intuition on the things that were popping out/up...and came up with
| a fix.....but....if I tried to describe it any deeper....I'd hafta dig
| out some higher math and physics texts and try to "put it all together"
| again....from scratch.....
| ...
| I don't know if I could do that, now....I think I couldn't...at least
| not without a humungous amount of mental labor...which...I'm not sure
| I'm any more capable. of.....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 214) Sun, Apr 09, 2006 - 9:34:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gregy,
|
| uuuummmm, you ar mistaken.... yes, there is an index.htm 
| I put it in there last evening. <g>
|
|
| HTTP/1.1 200 OK
| Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:31:58 GMT
| Server: Apache
| Last-Modified: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:10:46 GMT
| ETag: "3a34575-1a83-443834e6"
| Content-Length: 6787
| Connection: close
| Content-Type: text/html
|
| URL: http://yada/apub/glennmcc/index.htm
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 215) Mon, Apr 10, 2006 - 12:47:13 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   Re: #213 - I meant my post to be allegorical....you know...
| shoot over the bear's head for his own good.....you know...like....
| "I could tell you but I'd have to shoot you then"   not like "talking
| over one's head"......sheesh....I know you wouldn't do that! <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 216) Mon, Apr 10, 2006 - 11:46:46 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric, Ray..et al.....Re:..205-209....both of you are correct....<g g g>
| ...
| Ray, in NOT wanting to verge toward "mizro$lothy" and Eric for "no one
| key inadvertant deletes".....
| ...however, but (youknewthiswascoming)....
| ..
| Arachne already has pointed at the solution for this, as least as far
| as "inadvertant delete" goes...
| ...
| THIMK..!!!....in INBOX, OUTBOX, SENT, MESSAGEfolder, you have to very
| deliberately press RightMouseButton to "mark" the message....then..what
| do you do....???
| ...well, Michael didn't want that inadvertant delete, either, so he 
| designed it for NOT the "D" key...but for the actual "DEL" key, which is
| waaayyyyy over on the right, and smaller, and sandwiched inbetween two
| larger keys....yet...even a touch-typist like me can visuallessly find
| it with my fingers, without error...
| ...so...
| In this present discussion/argument.....I suggest you go "Arachne
| Standard" and use that "DEL" key (and in all similar design situations)
| .....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 217) Mon, Apr 10, 2006 - 11:49:44 am 
|
| gregy>
| Eric....ahhh...I see....I was afraid that maybe I was appearing to "talk
| down" to Ray, or you....
| ...
| however, you now bring up the interesting question..."Have I advertently
| told you more than you "need to know"...and, if so, how to I eliminate
| you....<g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 218) Mon, Apr 10, 2006 - 3:54:05 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Sometimes the answer is on the tip of our noses but we don't see
| it ;-) The only trouble is DEL is a double keycode key so it's a bit
| harder to process in a simple popup that just has one 'getch()' 
| thus ^D will have to suffice ... or I could add a few lines and
| do it right. Little time right now since I've gotta get my BMW
| back together again.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 219) Mon, Apr 10, 2006 - 4:31:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
| BIOSKEY.EXE shows these values for the DEL key
|
| Use Cntl+Pause to quit this program
| Dec -- 21248
| Hex -- 0x5300
| Oct -- 51400
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 220) Mon, Apr 10, 2006 - 4:36:11 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| So... you can test 'key' for that value, or you can do it the way it's
| already being done in these cases by checking for key==DELETEKEY
|
|
|
| ---------- e:guievent.c
| [787]   else if(key==DELETEKEY) //delete = del mail/cache item
|
| ---------- e:ie_key.c
| [576] if (klavesa==DELETEKEY) //Delete
| [807]   ie_key(fajl,DELETEKEY,0,ietxt_max_x,ietxt_max_y);
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 221) Mon, Apr 10, 2006 - 4:39:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| DELETEKEY is defined with that hex value shown above on line 78 of pckbrd.h
|
| ---------- e:pckbrd.h
| [78]#define DELETEKEY  0x5300
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 222) Mon, Apr 10, 2006 - 4:41:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| So.... all we need to do is....
|
| key=getch();
|
| if(key==DELETEKEY)
|    {
|     yada;
|     yada;
|     yada;
|    }
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 223) Tue, Apr 11, 2006 - 1:23:46 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,  The DELETE key is certainly better than just D key...but...
| I still stick to my preference for double key press for irreversible
| processes.  The DEL key (both of them) is right next to my ENTER and 
| other keys that I use routinely for running Arachne. Remember, I don't
| use the mouse so I have a much increased chance to accidently press
| DEL than you "mouse monkeys". <ggg>  I never said I was perfect...
| <ggg>...I make lots of mistakes...I just know how to correct many
| of the reversible mistakes...<ggg>...I try extra hard to prevent
| irreversible mistakes! <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 224) Tue, Apr 11, 2006 - 3:08:52 pm 
|
| Jake>
| A cat could always walk across a kybd...
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  225) Tue, Apr 11, 2006 - 4:52:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmm, I think Eric is right, even DEL is not as safe as ^D.
| Besides, it might be better for the popup to use non standard keys,
| since these are decidedly non standard opperations.
|
| Glenn, I don't think it's a simple as that. It works in guievent
| because the code there is more sophisticated than the simple 'getch()'
| I used for the popup. DEL is an 'extended' key so you have to
| getch() it twice. first one returns '0' and the second returns
| '83' ... or I could use the more sophisticated bioskey() method.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 226) Tue, Apr 11, 2006 - 4:54:14 pm 
|
| ray>
| ... or in hex, the first one returns 00 the second 53, thus: 0x5300.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 227) Tue, Apr 11, 2006 - 5:21:07 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Whichever method you chgoose to use, it certain is doable. ;-)
|
| But, as Eric points-out, it'sd still not what he was looking for.
|
| So.... your change to Ctrl+D is even better because it gives Eric what he
| was wanting..... 2 keys instead of just one. :))
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 228) Tue, Apr 11, 2006 - 8:14:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Quad seven <ggg>
|
| ar189 7777 (since Nov 27, 2005)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 229) Tue, Apr 11, 2006 - 9:43:43 pm 
|
| ray>
| To borrow a line from Gregy:
|
| (youknewthiswascomming) ... who ARE these people ?? ;-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 230) Wed, Apr 12, 2006 - 2:32:53 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Well Guys,     Bastiaan, is now having the kind of connection
| problem I described so many times.  I had him working with Ray's
| core and lsppp.exe.  Now he has done something which is now
| giving him error message from epppd.exe and of course not
| dialing since he never could connect with Ray's core and epppd.
| Now the easy fix may be the W$nblows way, a reinstall with my
| SWTCHDSK, since that is what got him running with Ray's core
| originally. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 231) Wed, Apr 12, 2006 - 3:03:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Brand-new compile of insight.exe ready to go.
|
| All previous versions were converting attached text files to UNIX format
|
|
| --- in convmsg.c ---
|
| void handlemsgrow(char*s,Tmimehdr*mhdr)
| { if((*mhdr).encodingtype==encoding_quoted)analyzequotedrow(s,0);
| //!!glennmcc: Apr 11, 2006 -- DOS format "\r\n" not UNIX format "\r" alone
|   if((*mhdr).f){fputs(s,(*mhdr).f);fputs("\r\n",(*mhdr).f);}
| //  if((*mhdr).f){fputs(s,(*mhdr).f);fputs("\n",(*mhdr).f);}
|    else if(!(*mhdr).tofile)printmsgrow(s,mhdr);
| }
| ___________________________________________________________________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 232) Wed, Apr 12, 2006 - 3:06:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to Bastiaan's dialing problems.
|
| Why not just have him hit the 'ACF' button on pppenhan.htm and then link
| to 'LSPPP.ACF' (or whatever he named it)
|
| He _did_ save his working arachne.cfg to an ACF .... _didn't_ he ????
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 233) Wed, Apr 12, 2006 - 3:31:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Thanks for helping with Bastiaan, I haven't seen what he's done
| so I have no idea, however, at least here, my core works fine with
| epppd/miniterm using this:
|
|
| miniterm.exe>PPP.LOG
| @lh epppd.exe>>PPP.LOG
| @if exist ip-up.bat call ip-up.bat
|
| ...as the contents of the connection batchfile.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 234) Wed, Apr 12, 2006 - 3:35:30 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW, Eric, all:
|
| Supposing I gave my 'overwritting' files (arachne.bat, toolbar.cfg,
| etc.) distictive names so that there was no need to copy/recopy
| them back and forth? I dunno: arach-ray.bat, tool-ray.cfg ...
| what do you think? Ugly for sure but could be less trouble for 
| core swappers.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 235) Wed, Apr 12, 2006 - 5:16:26 pm 
|
| Eric>
| The point is Guys, that none of us really knows what he's done at
| this point, and I don't think any of us knows any simple way to find
| out what has screwed up his working setup. I just know that the
| error he reported comes from epppd and the way he was setup was
| with lsppp.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 236) Wed, Apr 12, 2006 - 5:35:08 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Re: #232 -  I don't use ACF's so that thought never
| entered my mind....maybe that's how he got back to a setup using
| epppd.  I don't know if he saved an ACF of his working arachne.cfg
| or not....I know I did not tell him to...<ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 237) Thu, Apr 13, 2006 - 8:34:42 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I am running your core 1.85:B6b:6o.  When I try to get my
| email Arachne aborts and says it "can't find KEYWORDS.CFG". 
| The KEYWORDS.CFG that you provided with 6o is in my main arachne
| directory.  What is going on?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 238) Thu, Apr 13, 2006 - 10:20:45 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Well,  your 1.85:B6b:6o has now devoured all my XMS and I
| must now reboot. I keep getting "bad command" error messages and other
| strange things happening.  What have you done?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  239) Thu, Apr 13, 2006 - 1:21:10 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| rrr, I dunno what I've done. If it can't find keywords.cfg then it
| shouldn't run at all, never mind eating all your XMS. These
| 'can't find' messages are usually pretty acurate -- it can't find
| it, so the question is why? First thing I'd do is compare your
| config.log from this build to the one from the last build that
| runs sucessfully, if there's a config issue you'll see it there.
| I think there must be some path or other that's screwed up.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 240) Thu, Apr 13, 2006 - 2:55:27 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I was running 5q and had been for probably at least a day
| or so with no problems. I just replaced the different 5q files
| with the new 6o files. So, how can the paths be mixed up?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 241) Thu, Apr 13, 2006 - 2:59:38 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     I don't have any config.logs any more....they went with
| the reboot.   I'm running 1.90 right now.  Is/has anybody else
| run B6b:6o?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 242) Thu, Apr 13, 2006 - 5:00:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Run 5q, save the log, then try to fire up 6o and compare, I'll bet
| something will show up that's obvious. If things are totaly 
| out of whack, it could be that some how you've got the wrong
| keywords.cfg. That file is VERY fragile, one small change in it
| and everything goes to hell because the internal values are 
| 'one step out' with the keyword values. If that's it I'll resend ...
| or, I'll send a new .exe with ^D replacing D in the popup as you
| wish.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 243) Thu, Apr 13, 2006 - 10:38:02 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    As I have been preaching...here is a clip from Bastiaan's
| last email....I asked him why he was getting EPPPD error message
| since I set him up with LSPPP.  He said you set him up with EPPPD
| (I guess after I originally got him working with LSPPP). Here's
| the clip:
|
| I followed Ray's instructions and it did work for over a month, but i
| must say I got confused by all these dialing instructions...
|
| So, if you set him up with epppd, then you better contact him and see
| if you can help him. My ISP refuses to work with EPPPD so I can't
| help him with that. My SWTCHDSK originally set him up with LSPPP. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 244) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 8:03:12 am 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| To tell the truth I don't remember a thing about it <:(
| I have no idea which came first, epppd or lsppp or what eventualy
| worked for him or what he's done different. At the time, I didn't
| know he was working with both of us independantly or things might
| have been more clear. I'm in touch with him quite a bit, so we'll
| get it sorted out eventualy. I wonder if he was using epppd and his
| provider switched to whatever it is that only works with lsppp? ...
| that's happened, including to me, that's when I switched.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 245) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 8:18:22 am 
|
| ray>
| However, you know (you KNOW ;-) what a lousy help desk I run so 
| I'd be as happy as a clam if you and him could figure it.
| One of the most frustrating things about autism, even high functioning
| like mine, is that we have almost no ability to read the minds
| of 'normal' folks like you all can, so it's very difficult for me
| to figure out what's likely to be going on in someone else's head;
| all we know is what's told to us plain and direct.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 246) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 11:50:06 am 
|
| Eric>
| Does anyone have DOSPPP06.zip or any good links to info on 
| EPPPD.exe...switches...config files...etc. to use with it?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 247) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 12:15:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| file:dospppd.txt
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 248) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 12:22:01 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And if you need a copy of dosppp06.zip
|
| find:"dosppp06.zip"
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 249) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 12:24:59 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Link to the 1st hit at Google....
| http://freedos.rtin.bz/files/net/lynx/readme.dos
|
| We then find within that text file....
| http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/net/dosppp/dosppp06.
|
| Also many more very useful links. :))
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 250) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 1:22:58 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Thanks, I'll try those...All that I tried didn't
| work....some were ftp and just gave me a zero byte file.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 251) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 6:27:28 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hey Eric,
|
| While importing code from Glenn via Joe, I noticed the 'ERIC' define,
| to prevent that problem with the 640x400 screen size,
| and since I now have that, I thought I'd extend it so now when 
| ERIC is defined, you'll get the version string showing permanently
| up top :-) And if there's anything else, just mention it.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 252) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 7:25:22 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric also does not like the Ctrl+D to download all links.
|
| Therefore, in guievent.c .....
|
| #ifndef ERIC
| //!!glennmcc: Feb 12, 2005 -- at the request of Michal H. Tyc
|    else if(key==0x2004)//Ctrl+D
| // else if(asc=='Q')
|    {
|     if(!ProcessLinks(1))
|     {
|      Piip();
|      return 0;
|     }
|     arachne.target=0;
|     return gotoloc();
|    }
| #endif //ERIC
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 253) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 8:14:13 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Hey Thanks, Guys....Happy Easter!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 254) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 9:38:43 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn, is anything too good for our best guinea-mouse?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 255) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 11:31:33 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 256) Fri, Apr 14, 2006 - 11:32:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| You are quite welcome, Eric.
|
| Happy Easter to you and yours' as-well. :)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 257) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 8:37:52 pm 
|
| gregy>
| To those of you of the "Christian Persuasion"...:
| ..
| He is risen....He is risen, indeed.....<g g g>
| ...
| Happy Easter..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 258) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 8:49:50 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray...Re:...245....hey..!!!...do you actually THINK anyone "reads" the
| head of anyone else...???  Get away from any idea that "non-autistics"
| have some kinda edge, here....<>g g g>
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 259) Sun, Apr 16, 2006 - 8:53:02 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...Re:...231....new Insight....yes, outSTANDing....!!!....<g g g>
| ...
| (I assume it's the one linked on your page...????...)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 260) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 12:32:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 261) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 1:43:07 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Happy Easter to you, my brother.
|
| re, mind reading: I know of what I speak on this. True, no one
| litteraly reads minds (but God) however, because non-autistics all have,
| essentialy, the same 'mental landscape' it's easy (relatively) for
| them to intuit what others are thinking by using empathy (in the 
| proper meaning of the term) -- "what would I mean if I said abcd?"
| For autistics, that doesn't work because our internal landscape 
| uses a different geography, thus 'normal' people, by comparison with
| us seem to be mind readers.
|  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 262) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 2:16:15 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Arachne v1.90 has been released.
|
| As always,
| it may be downloaded via the link on the front page of my web site.
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
|
| As indicated there on the front page... core.exe is by Joe da Silva.
|
| Enjoy.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 263) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 5:33:39 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Are there many changes to the 'other files'? I'm running 1.89
| plus Joe's core as my new control.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 264) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 5:51:52 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/arachne/chngdfls.txt <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 265) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 5:54:32 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| ar190 41 (since Apr 17, 2006)
|
| And it's only been available for about 6hrs
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 266) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 5:57:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| drwxr-xr-x   4096 Apr 17 15:25 /arachne/
|
| current local time is 18:56
|
| So it's been up for 5hrs 31min
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 267) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 5:58:33 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oops... typo and new math <gggg>
|
| make that 19:56 == 4hrs 31min
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 268) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 6:34:48 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...hate to "burst your bubble"...but...ahem...ONE of those was me
| ...I went there and read the "history.txt"...but didn't have time to
| download the distro (and, BTW, you said you were still awaiting Joe's
| go ahead)....so....sorry to disallusion you....but you gotta subtract
| one off your total.....
| ...
| <g g g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 269) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 6:52:06 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....what's Joe meaning about the "%DNS1" and "%DNS2" references
| ....???
| ...
| Is that what I'm using all the time, now, in my ARACHNE.CFG....or is it
| some variation/change that I should be aware of that won't work the
| same as what I'm now doing....???
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 270) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 6:53:19 pm 
|
| gregy>
| I'm also seeing that Joe increased the ARACHNE.CFG max-lines from 256
| to 2048.....I thought you thought my request/idea to do that was pretty
| crappy....???......<g g g>
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 271) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 6:54:05 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Oh, yes...NOW I downloaded it.....<g g g g>...
| ...
| I'll install it, probably, tonight...
| ..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 272) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 7:04:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| * Added compile option for 2048 configuration lines instead 
|   of the standard 256 lines, per Glenn, slightly modified. 
|
| Note: it says "compile option"
|
| I did not choose that option for this compile.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 273) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 7:06:16 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| //!!glennmcc: increased to 2048 (experimental compile only)
| #ifdef EXP
| #define LINES 2048
| #else
| #define LINES 256
| #endif
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 274) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 7:55:53 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| Yeah I know, but some of the changes are often miniscule, I just want
| a rough word right from the horses mouth if I should/need to 
| move to 190 vis. the other files.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 275) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 7:57:49 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yes.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 276) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 8:50:47 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ok, will do.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 277) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 8:53:36 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW, probably not your style but you might be interersted:
|
|
| Vladimir,
|
| So far, this is testing very well, many stupid errors are eliminated.
|
| // NOTE, if ppp.log exists with no packet driver loaded, (as after a        
| // crash and reboot), old way shows CD break page, new way ignores the      
| // problem and deletes ppp.log on exit.  Box shows OFFLINE as it should.    
| // Contrary wise, if there is a packet driver loaded, but no ppp.log        
| // (as when changing to another copy of Arachne in another directory while  
| // online), the old way won't connect, gives 'No Network Interface Available
| // msg; you must hangup and redial to connect. New way starts fine,         
| // status shows 'Can't open ppp.log' and then Box shows ONLINE -- it        
| // can't show the timer since that is linked to ppp.log's time stamp.       
| // ppp.log is now used by core only for the online timer.                   
|                                                                             
| //  if(FileExists("PPP.LOG"))                                               
|   if(getvect(0x60))   // Andrej's method :-)                                
|     ArachneTCPIP(); // initialize TCP/IP                                    
|                                                                             
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 278) Mon, Apr 17, 2006 - 9:09:03 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Re...277....that may be "a keeper"...or, at least, worthy of further
| investigation.....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 279) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 6:48:25 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I have been using Arachne 1.90 for a long time now....
| is it different from the 1.90 just posted on your site? Do I need
| to switch to the newly posted 1.90? 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 280) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 6:56:43 am 
|
| Eric>
| Has anybody else received an email from ITP (www.itp4you.com)
| saying: "A monthly charge to your credit card has failed".
| ITP stands for Internet Telephone Provider....I never signed
| up for any ITP that I know of and I hesitate to call the
| phone number they give for fear it may put a charge on my
| pone bill.  I am suspicious of PHISHING. <gggg>
| BTW, the message is in an attachment and not in the email body.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 281) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 5:00:07 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Gregy asked a similar Q over on Jake's board.
|
| Here's how I answered his query.......
|
| All of those old ones were 'experimental compiles'
| built from my SRC code.
|
| This one is now the 'officail release' compiled
| from Joe's SRC code.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 282) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 5:03:34 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| So grab the whole 'release package' and install it as you always do.
|
| But I'll need to make a fresh compile of core.exe using the 'ERIC define'
| so that you will get all of your custom stuff. ;-)
|
| BBL
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 283) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 5:12:43 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| There you go sir....
|
| Your own 'custom compile'.
|
| And you can thank Joe for this one because he saw-fit to put in all of
| those customizations you asked for whaich we select at compile time
| by simply adding ;ERIC to the list of defines.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190-eric.zip
|
| BTW,
|
| He also put in all of the 'CAV' defines
| and all of my 'EXP' (experimental) defines.
| _________
|
| Joe,
|
| THANK YOU !!!!!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 284) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 5:58:22 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| So you still haven't explained to me what 'ACTIVE' does and why
| Eric doesn't like it. If it looks mainstream maybe I'll promote it
| from an #ifdef ERIC, to an option or something.
|
| And, I take it EnterBGDL is supposed to make background downloading
| the default for ENTER or the left mouse button? Seems Joe left that
| out too, but might be mistaken. Please confirm, I think I see a
| dificulty with your method.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 285) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 6:04:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| 'ACTIVE' puts our cursor into that area as soon as we visit a page.
|
| Hit 'C' to compose a message.
|
| The cursor is in the To: field because of the ACTIVE variable on this
| line of sendmail.ah
|
| <TD COLSPAN=2><INPUT TYPE=TEXT SIZE=61 NAME="$TO" URI active>
|
| When we are replying to an email or have chosend resend...
|
| Our cursor is automatically in the textarea because of 'ACTIVE' on this
| line of reply.htp and resend.htp
|
| <TEXTAREA COLS=74 ROWS=23 NAME="$BODY" WRAP="Yes"
|  ARACHNEROWS ARACHNEEDITOR="L:\ARACHNE\textarea.tmp" ACTIVE>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 286) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 6:07:59 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As it name suggests.... 'EnterBGDL' works only on the Enter key... not
| on the left mouse button.
|
| Options/Prefs. & Perf.
|
| _Wait till D/L done to display (enter key only)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 287) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 6:11:54 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| It is one-step-up from BackGround D/L via Ctrl+Enter or Ctrl+LeftMouse.
|
| With Ctrl+Enter or Ctrl+LeftMouse... we must jit the link again to
| display the link after the D/L has completed.
|
| With 'EnterBGDL Yes' pressing the enter key on a link does the D/L in
| the backgorund and then automatically displays the link as soon as it is
| complete.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 288) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 6:15:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Also... EnterBGDL does not over-ride Ctrl+Enter or Ctrl+LeftMouse
|
| Both of them still work as always regardless of Yes/No setting for EnterBGDL
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 289) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 6:17:54 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| ar190 144 (since Apr 17, 2006)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 290) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 6:18:35 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Who _ARE_ these people ????
|
| HA !!!
|
| Beat ya to it this time.
|
| <gggggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 291) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 7:50:34 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yup, sure did <ggg>
|
| Thanks for exp on ACTIVE, I always wondered how the cursor got to
| where it got, never could find anything in the sources, that's 
| a mystery solved for me.
|
| As to background downloads why would we ever want to have to
| press the enter key a second time? Shouldn't that be automatic
| anyway?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 292) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 8:00:08 pm 
|
| ray>
| test
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 293) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 8:29:16 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope....
|
| Michael's original BG D/L ws so that we could Ctrl+Enter on many
| different links on a pge full of links downloading them all one-by-one
| into the cache as we continue to read down through that page we are on.
|
| When we are done with this page... we link to it again without holding
| the Ctrl key and we get it instantly from our cache.
|
| Do have a fairly long hotlist ?
|
| If so, try this.
|
| 'H' now Ctrl+enter on the 3rd link, then the 7th then the 32nd
|
| Scroll all the way to the bottom and Ctrl+Enter on the last link.
|
| All of those links are now in your cache and linking to each of them
| will load them instantly from the cache.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 294) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 8:31:05 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Pretty Kewl... huh ? ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 295) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 8:33:36 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| BTW,
|
| An old bug is now confirmed as being a bug in our table rendering and is
| now posted at ArachneBugs
|
| http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ArachneBugs/message/59
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 296) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 8:35:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The page in question also displays correctly by making this small change.
|
| Posted by: <font face="Verdana">NTOSKRNL.VXE</font>   <br>
|
| Posted by: NTOSKRNL.VXE<br> 
| ___________________________________________________________
|
| Strange... very strange indeed.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 297) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 8:40:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And another change that makes it displa correctly is to indicate 20% of
| 640 screen width via number of pixells instead of percentage.
|
| <tr><td bgcolor="#e5e5d1" width="20%" valign="top">
|
|
| <tr><td bgcolor="#e5e5d1" width="128" valign="top">
|
| Or 20% of 800
|
| <tr><td bgcolor="#e5e5d1" width="160" valign="top">
|
| Or 20% of 1024
|
| <tr><td bgcolor="#e5e5d1" width="205" valign="top">
|
| Any pixell numeric value instead of a percentage makes it display correcly.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 298) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 8:43:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The same applies to the next section
|
| <td width="50%" align=left><a
| href="http://www.drdosprojects.de/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/forum/drp_forum/
| Reply</a></td>
|
| <td width="320" align=left><a
| href="http://www.drdosprojects.de/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/forum/drp_forum/
| Reply</a></td>
|
| Now the 2nd cell after that one containing 3 links displays correctly.
|
| With 50% ... the 3 links are all masshed togeter instead of being
| spead-out the way they are intended to be.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 299) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 10:07:23 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yes, kewl. I've gotta think about this some more -- the above and
| how it relates to your new keyword. BTW Joe did leave it out.
| IMHO he left out some good stuff and I'd like to know why.
| Oversite? buggy? no real need? Policy disagreament? 
|
| Why?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 300) Tue, Apr 18, 2006 - 10:10:05 pm 
|
| ray>
| Sorry, wires crossed, it's in the code, just not commented in his
| whats.new, least not as far as I can see.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 301) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 1:58:13 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...Re: 295-+....this display bug is the one Udo brought to your
| attention...???...that you echoed to the coollist...???
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 302) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 5:45:51 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    RE: Active - Active stops the arrow keys from moving the 
| cursor and disables page back and forward and several other key
| functions because the keys are now needed to fill in the blanks.
| If you use the mouse all the time then it doesn't cause any trouble....
| but...if you use the keys for navigation then it screws things
| up until one uses the TAB key to take the cursor out of edit mode
| and to a neutral spot on the page.  I don't like to be filling
| in the boxes when I'm trying to use the keys for navigation...
| it gets darn aggrivating. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 303) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 5:54:42 am 
|
| gregy>
| So...Eric...I'm still confuzzzzed....which one do you like....???
| ...
| Active or Inactive.....????
| ...
| <g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 304) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 6:03:26 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,   There you go again....You got that ACTIVE tag turned on! <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 305) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 6:10:36 am 
|
| Eric>
| Gregy,  Of course, I just love it when I'm sitting here pushing
| the ALT-E key over and over and over and nothing is happening....
| it gives my fingers their much needed exercise! <gggggg>....
| it also wakes up my mind and makes me think to figure out why
| Arachne has suddenly become catatonic. <gggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 306) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 6:14:19 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Thanks for the custom compile....but one problem...
| it's 11K. too big to fit on the floppy with the regular compile.
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 307) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 6:18:40 am 
|
| Eric>
| Hey,  nobody replied to my post #280.......does that mean that no one
| else is acquainted with ITP?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 308) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 2:14:43 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I see what you mean. Sheesh, it sounds to me like that's a
| proper config option, not just some excentricity on your part, I'll
| keyword it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 309) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 2:15:05 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, as to ITP, I have no idea what it is.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 310) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 5:32:02 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gregy,
|
| re: post 301 about the tables bug.... yep, that's the one Udo brought
| to our attention.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 311) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 5:34:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Nope... I never heard of ITP till you mentioned it.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 312) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 5:36:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| 11k too big ?
|
| I'll see what I can do.
|
| Ah... a thought.
|
| Would you like a 'custom SFX' that has your core.exe in it instead of the
| 'regular core' ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 313) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 7:01:28 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   That would be great if a "SFX" is the same as the
| Arachne 1.90 install program...It would make life easier! <ggg>
|
| BTW,  I'll try find:punkah-wallah      
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 314) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 8:00:25 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Your wish is my command. <ggg>
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/eric-190.zip
| (the contained a190gpll.exe now has your core.exe from 190-eric.zip)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 315) Wed, Apr 19, 2006 - 10:42:18 pm 
|
| ray>
| Red carpet!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 316) Thu, Apr 20, 2006 - 6:39:12 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  A strange thing happened with Arachne.  I am using a 1.90
| compile from before the JG release....I entered FIND:PIDIZRUS in the
| URL box and got an Altavista search which gave me 2 guesses for what 
| I was searching for. I clicked on one of the link choices and Arachne
| went into loop showing and reloading some cookie on the bottom
| status line. I paged-back or ALT-E'd or something and broke the
| loop. Then just now after using Arachne for a while, Arachne aborted
| with the error message "cookie list is corrupted".  I renamed the
| cookie list and restarted Arachne with ARACHNE -r and hear I am.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 317) Thu, Apr 20, 2006 - 6:50:09 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    The link I clicked on RE: #316 was: "Hotel Phidias - on
| sale"
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 318) Thu, Apr 20, 2006 - 5:46:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Just tested it.
|
| Simply hitting ESC once stops the 'loop' of trying to get their cookie.
|
| The problem seems to be this cookie which does not have an expire date/time
|
| CSPalmBB_sid=ae2807f2d6fc3432207ec0f7a46aec66; path=/; domain=www.conklinsys
|
| Joe,
|
| Cookies without expire dates have been causing some problems.
|
| Can you fix that ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 319) Thu, Apr 20, 2006 - 6:09:43 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   What was that "formfeed" file for that caused Udo
| installation problems and how did it get "read only" attribute?
| Are you now removing all attributes from all the current installed
| files before starting the new installation?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 320) Thu, Apr 20, 2006 - 7:01:20 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| 'formfeed' does exactly as its name suggests..... it is used in
| conjuction with the printing capabilities of Arachne to send a formfeed
| command to the printer to eject the page when printing is done.
|
| As to attribs.... yep ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 321) Thu, Apr 20, 2006 - 7:03:22 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| It was my screw-up to begin with that caused this problem.
|
| I am the fool who forgot to remove the ReadOnly attrib from formfeed
| before building the release package back a few versions ago.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 322) Thu, Apr 20, 2006 - 7:45:55 pm 
|
| gregy>
| well...there's fools, and then, there's fools.....and I wouldn't feel
| too bad about that one.....that sounds like sumpin I might easily do.
| ....<g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 323) Thu, Apr 20, 2006 - 9:05:33 pm 
|
| ray>
| Also, I learned a long time ago never to install into an existing
| directory 'cause one way or another I almost always end up
| +r ing some file or other.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 324) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 7:35:32 am 
|
| Eric>
| I still don't exactly understand how Udo found the offending file. <ggg>
| I tried installing over an existing installation several times not
| that long ago. If you remember, I complained because Arachne aborted
| because of "lack of disk space" error when there was an existing
| installation. <ggg> Arachne was demanding too much space. <ggg>
| Those installations seemed to work OK....but....maybe I just
| didn't notice the failure to do a complete reinstall.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 325) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 2:15:22 pm 
|
| ray>
| Me, I don't like instalators anyway, there's always some problem.
| My first try with Arachne way back when was a failure due to some
| instalator trouble. I like a simple 1-2-3 method:
|
| 1) you will need XYZ bytes of space on your disk and ABC bytes of
|    free memory to run Arachne.
| 2) create a directory for Arachne ..'
| 3) move the 'zip' there and unzip it, you should have DEF files in
|    GHI subdirs.
| 4) type ARACHNE to start the setup ...
| 5) If you can't follow these instructions, or don't know how to
|    create a directory or unzip a file, you should probably stick
|    with Windows.
|
| ... or something like that.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 326) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 4:46:34 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| AMEN brother !!!!
|
| But.... we do not linve in a world of DOS users.... we live in a world
| of WinShit users.
|
| Therefore, we _must_ use the installer or we will have virtually no Arachne 
|
| Proof coming-up.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 327) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 4:54:44 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Aug of 2005 is the most recent month for which I kept statistics for the
| entire month.
|
| Have a look down through this file and see how many non-winshit hits were lo
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/stat0508.txt
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 328) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 4:57:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| None of these count because that was me. <ggg>
|
| Host name -- dialup-4.224.207.14.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 329) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 5:26:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah. I know. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 330) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 7:13:59 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Another example of people not reading what's right under their noses. :((
|
| http://www.freelists.org/archives/arachne/04-2006/msg00076.html
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 331) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 7:59:52 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I'm replying to your question on the list since I'll do
| it faster here <ggg> Re: Muliple Key safety net and warning of changes
| to critical files.   The discussion was concerning ACF's and arachne.cfg
| as current examples.  Maybe those files should not be overwritten but
| instead renamed and a new file written. And maybe the ACF button should
| not be next to the dialing button. <ggg>  Since I "never" use that page
| it doesn't affect me but it seems to be a source of trouble for others.  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 332) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 8:10:45 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  Re: #330 - You're right, those backups are there and I
| remember when we composed that warning and created that backup
| safeguard....however, I'm not sure those backups would have helped
| Udo much for the current problem.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 333) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 8:16:44 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Has he read this file I wonder which outlines just how easy it is to
| make backup copies of Arachne.cfg ???
|
| file://doc\acf_asf.htm
|
| And if not.... why not ????
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 334) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 8:38:09 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re: #333
| glennmcc,    That page does look familiar to me...but...in all
| the years that I've been using Arachne...I have to admit that
| I have never written an ASF and I am not familiar with switching
| ACF's...mostly because I never realized a need for either one.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 335) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 8:41:01 pm 
|
| Eric>
| BTW,   I picked the winning number again on "Deal or NO Deal"
| but someone in New Jersey won my $10k <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 336) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 8:49:53 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I got a deal for ya'
|
| You have 5min to tell me which file this is clipped from.
|
| ----------
|
| I first attempted to compile some DOS TCP/IP application at university in 19
| It was based on NCSA Telnet sources, and for some strange reasons, the 
| attempt was complete failure. I didn't know much about TCP/IP at that time. 
|
| -------------
|
| If ya' can do that in the 5min time limit... I'll send ya' 10K
|
| Deal or no Deal ????
|
| <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 337) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:19:41 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I don't know which file, but I sounds like MP.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 338) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:24:10 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| No 10K for you. :(
|
| Maybe Ray would like to take a stab at it.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 339) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:24:47 pm 
|
| ray>
| I woulda said the same :(
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 340) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:28:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Well... ya' both failed my little test.
|
| Q: Have _either_ of you read _all_ of text files
|    that are available either in the release package
|    or on my web site ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 341) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:30:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| If not... I highly recommend that you do.
|
| That was just one example of some very interesting
| info to be found in those file.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 342) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:31:53 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| This is where I clipped it from....
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/history.txt
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 343) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:33:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And it's no-fair doing an F7 search for that text.
|
| Please..... READ THE ENTIRE FILE FROM BIGINNING TO END.
|
| <ggggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 344) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:41:25 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hey, it just hit me: Glenn, if Gregy has to use 0x61 for
| his packet driver, how is that done? I mean isn't 0x60 always
| used by epppd.exe? And lsppp.exe for that matter?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 345) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:48:49 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     I had the author correct!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 346) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:50:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| --- clipped from lsppp.txt ---
|
| /V:$    Packet driver vector
|
| Set the packet driver vector to use
| example: /V:60
| default: LSPPP searches for a free vector
| _______________________________________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 347) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:52:19 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And from dospppd.txt
|
|        pktvec <interrupt number>
|               Specifies the interrupt vector number to  be hooked
|               by the packet driver interface.  The valid range is
|               from 0x60-0x66,  0x68-0x6F and  0x78-0x7E. If  this
|               option is  not used,  the driver  searches for  the
|               first free vector in this range (usually 0x60).
| ____________________________________________________________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 348) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:52:44 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    RE: #344 ... NO....epppd will load pointer at 0x61 if 0x60
| is occupied.  I don't however know how to force loading at 0x61
| otherwise.  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 349) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:56:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That's some more of that 'interesting info' I was talking about that
| can be found by actually *READING* the files included in the package
| as opposed to just letting them sit there taking up space on your HDD.
|
| <ggggggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 350) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:57:53 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re: Packet vector
| glennmcc beat me...<ggg>...I remember reading that before too....
| but couldn't tell you what file! <GGGG>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 351) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 9:58:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Did you read the entire file to find out that you got the autor right ?
|
| Or did you CHEAT by searching for that text ?
|
| <gggggggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 352) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 10:01:31 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  I never claimed to have a photographic memory...<ggg>...
| that's why I keep referrence books! <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 353) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 10:02:45 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But do you read them ?
|
| Or do they just sit there on the shelf
| taking up space and collecting dust ????
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 354) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 10:03:50 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     I read the file....I think I read it before but not
| recently...as I said: "I don't claim to have a photographic memory!"
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 355) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 10:05:32 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    A dusty book works just as good as a clean "new" book...
| sometimes better...I just blow the dust off! <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 356) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 10:09:07 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| In-order to have read the file in question....
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/history.txt
|
| It would have had to have been recently becuase it has only been in
| existance in its present form for just over one month. <ggg>
|
| -rw-r--r--    1 32039    cisnet     138333 Mar 18 23:32 history.txt
|
| Last-Modified: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 04:32:44 GMT
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 357) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 10:12:14 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,      Some of my best referrence books have stained, torn
| pages and broken bindings....that's how you can find the best ones
| as a matter of fact...many have no cover and I have to treat them
| very carefully to make sure I don't lose any pages. <ggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 358) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 10:22:06 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     Why isn't that HISTORY file linked to from the
| F1 HELP page?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 359) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 10:52:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Further proof that you have not read the files in the package.
|
| F1/changes.txt/read the file all the way to the bottom.
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 360) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 10:54:10 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Complete history of all previous releases....
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ara-gpl/history.txt
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 361) Fri, Apr 21, 2006 - 10:57:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to having a link to it right on F1 ....
|
| If I put a link to every important file right there on the F1 page....
|
| It would end up being about 27 miles long.
|
| <ggggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 362) Sat, Apr 22, 2006 - 8:48:24 am 
|
| ray>
| Mornin' boys,
|
| Glenn, you ain't playing fair, it *was* MP. But you have a point, 
| all those files should be read -- one day when development slows down
| to the point where there's some time.
|
| Tx. for info on 'vector'. When you read something, you almost 
| never retain it if you don't understand it at the time. Now that
| I do, I will ;-) BTW, I suppose this means that for non 0x60
| types the 'termin 0x60' lines must be altered accordingly?
|
| Eric, some of my best books I've had to rebind by drilling through them
| about 1/4 inch from the spine every 1/2 inch or so and then re-sewing
| them with enough slack that the spine can lay flat. Sorta makes a
| 'spiral notebook' then I duct tape the outside of the spine to hold the
| sewing thread tite to the book. Works.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 363) Sat, Apr 22, 2006 - 10:52:42 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   My Dad was an electrical engineer who worked in an office
| at drafting tables where masking tape was used to repair everything.
| This was pre-duct tape era. So, he repaired everything with masking
| tape. He even repaired his smoking pipe with masking tape <ggg>.
| Really, his pipe was mostly a masking tape pipe. The mouthpiece
| was mostly what remained of the original pipe. <ggg>
| I haven't done any attempt at rebinding in a looong time. The last
| one I remember was a used geometry book that I repaired with masking
| tape when I was in high scool. <ggg>  I just try to keep the pieces
| together and treat them gently.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 364) Sat, Apr 22, 2006 - 11:20:13 am 
| URL
|
| Jake>
| I've taken apart a $100+ hand-bound local history book so I could
| scan and OCR it to put on the interweb. It was stitched as per Ray's
| example.
|
| What's the betting these guys are student engineers? <URL> 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 365) Sat, Apr 22, 2006 - 1:49:50 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Jake,    They could be medical students doing a government funded
| research project on new resuscitation techniques using engineering
| students as consulting engineers.  I've seen some similar techniques
| used in college dorms and frat houses here in the states.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 366) Sat, Apr 22, 2006 - 5:22:09 pm 
|
| ray>
| Looks good for about $50,000 in grant money to me.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 367) Sat, Apr 22, 2006 - 5:48:46 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| I wonder how many millions of tax payer dollars were wasted on this 'Duct ta
|
| http://ducts.lbl.gov/ducttape/san_jose_article_ducts.html
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 368) Sat, Apr 22, 2006 - 6:26:33 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Jake,     Some college freashman go a little looney....I had a 
| classmate back in the late '50s, make a coke bottle bomb and set
| it off in the dorm corridor. When one of my other classmates
| apprehended him, the bomb maker had fragments of glass imbeded
| in his clothing. <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 369) Sat, Apr 22, 2006 - 6:42:04 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I don't know how much they spent for that study, but I
| surely do agree with the conclusion.  I have an attic with air
| conditioning ducts that were fiberglass taped together with
| duct tape that just fell apart. Duct tape can be a handy thing
| to have around but as for sealing ducts it has a very short
| life span.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 370) Sat, Apr 22, 2006 - 6:50:35 pm 
|
| Eric>
| OTOH,    Duct tape helped to make Red Green famous....He ought to
| be paying a royalty to the duct tape manufacturers! <ggg>
| I was married to an engineer who probably could have taught
| Red Green a trick or two with duct tape.....at least I know
| she thinks she could!  <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 371) Sun, Apr 23, 2006 - 9:46:46 am 
|
| ray>
| I'm with Eric, that's a useful study! The biggest problem in my
| life right now is that I have yet to find the best brand of DT --
| Red never said what brand he used, the heart breaker. Problem is,
| by the time some DT application has failed, I've forgotten what
| brand it was, and some are SSSSOOOOO much better than others.
| But is all seems to fail eventualy.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 372) Sun, Apr 23, 2006 - 3:02:10 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Useful... no usfull... that's not my point.
|
| My point is that it was wast of tax payer money to have it done via a
| government grant.
|
| "Consumer Reports" does that kind og study all the time and it does not
| cost the tax payer so-much-as one red cent.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 373) Sun, Apr 23, 2006 - 4:41:06 pm 
|
| ray>
| I dunno, you might be jumping to a conclusion. Could be that the 
| study was done for $500 after phoning CR and hearing from them
| that they have no plans to do such a test.
| (Am I naieve or what? ;-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 374) Sun, Apr 23, 2006 - 7:46:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yes, naive.... very naive indeed. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 375) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 12:08:33 am 
|
| gregy>
| Ray....just to jump in here (NOT to jump ON you, don't you know..<g>..)
| ...but...
| YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING..!!!!
| ...
| I mean...study done for $500 by calling CR...????
| ...
| remember...this is the land of the "..$600 toilet seats.."...and $300
| hammers....he he he...
| ...
| maybe your guv'ment does things sensibly economically, but this is
| the land of "Uncle Sugar"......<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 376) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 12:10:23 am 
|
| gregy>
| Re:  "Read the DOCs"....I'm with Glenn....and...and...I'm with Eric..
| ...I can't remember stuff....and I'm with Ray....we ALL needa read them
| more, and more often....
| ...but...sometimes there isn't time....right now...so....ahem...I
| offend....
| ...<g g g>
| ...
| I beg all your pardons.....<g g g g>
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 377) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 7:09:31 am 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Yeah, I was kidding, but one can dream -- as a demi-socialist I am
| quite aware that anything done by government usualy costs at least
| 10 x more than it should, but I remind myself that it doesn't
| *have* to be that way.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 378) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 4:55:13 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Re:
| "I am quite aware that anything done by government usualy costs at
| least 10 x more than it should, but I remind myself that it doesn't
| *have* to be that way."
|
| Ray,   Did you really write that? <ggggg> <hehehe>  What were you
| thinking, or were you thinking, when you wrote that, if you really
| did write that? <ggggg><hehehe>  Am I correct that you work for
| the post office and you still could write that statement?
| Just the fact that you could write "it doesn't 'have' to be that way."   
| makes your statement ludicrous. You are obviously in a bubble totally
| insulated from what is going on around you.  The system propigates the
| waste, it can't be eliminated nor significantly reduced. When one
| part of the system is being chasted for the waste, the other part
| of the system which is doing the chastizing, is usually
| disproportionately increasing the waste to do the chastizing!  The
| waste is just being created by the other hand! <ggggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 379) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 5:04:16 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yes... that vicious, malignant circle of
| governmental waste goes on and on into perpetuity.
|
| Which is why I am an anarchist.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 380) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 5:09:01 pm 
|
| Eric>
| OOOOpps,   chasted = chastized  ....Our society is a society of
| waste.  The people are wasteful with their own money and posessions.
| How can a society of people who don't care how wasteful they are run
| a government which is not wasteful....it's an oxymoron! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 381) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 5:16:42 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Which is why we must start by abolishing government itself.
|
| No government == no governmental waste.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 382) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 5:39:08 pm 
|
| Jake>
| ... Thereby consigning millions to the scrapheap and causing more harm
| to the World economy than all the tree-huggers put together.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  383) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 5:58:49 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Actually, it's my experience ay the PO that reinforces my views.
| Up here the PO has gone from being a beureaucratic pig to being
| almost lean in my 30 years. And there are (no kidding!) such things
| are efficiently run government departments -- not much any more,
| but my dad remembers a time when bereaucrats ate lunch at their
| desks and signed correspondance "Your humble servant", and had to
| ask to use the phone. Me, I don't see why Government *has* to be
| wasteful -- didn't used to be -- can be efficent once again if we 
| damn well make it be. As to abolishing it alltogether, well, I 
| hate to think what would happen to the roads.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 384) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:00:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The 'millions' you are refering ot are current government employees
| whom would be forced to start working for a living instead of sucking-up
| tax money from those of us who are already working for a living.
|
| In other words... they would be forced to become contributing members of
| society instead of being a drain on society.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 385) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:02:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Hmmm,
|
| It took 30 years to become _almost_ lean.
|
| Perhaps in another 30 years it will actually be the way it should be.
|
| But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 386) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:04:10 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    No government...no country....we'll be divided up by
| Canada and Mexico....doesn't sound good to me! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 387) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:10:29 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| It looks to me as-if you are living in a fantasy world.
|
| - clipped from http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/snscreen.txt -
|
|  Accept certain inalienable truths: prices will rise, politicians will
| filander, you too will get old and when you do, you'll fantasize that
| when you were young, prices were reasonable, politicians were noble and
| children respected their elders. 
| _____________
|
| Anyone who believes those things _is_ fantasizing
| and _is_ fooling themselves.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 388) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:13:59 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/imagine-.htm
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 389) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:14:06 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Is your Carter lumber the same one up here in Mich.
| near Ann Arbor on Territorial Road next to the railroad track?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 390) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:17:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That is what's it like to dream of what could be and what should be,
| instead of fantasizing about what is not, never has been and never can be.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 391) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:18:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| Thanks, I've been looking for that for a long time :-)
|
| No I'm not living in a fantacy, I'm living in an asylum, there is
| a difference. But my *dad* does remember when things were different.
| It cycles -- there always have been ineficient governments and there
| always have been good ones, neither fact contradicts the other.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 392) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:28:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Yep.... same Carter Lumber.
|
| All 240 locations are 'family owned' by the Carter family themselves.
|
| The 'home office' is in Kent, OH just 28mi west of here.
|
| Neil Sackett (one of the grandsons of the founder, W. E. Carter),
| is now Pres/CEO of the company.
|
| Neil's brother Keith is vice Pres. and lives just 6mi east of me.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 393) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:29:15 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| ".... and there always have been good ones...."
|
| Name one.
|
| <ggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 394) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:30:07 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Which have you been looking for ?
|
| "Imagine" or "Sunscreen" ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 395) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:38:05 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I've never been inside Carter lumber but I watched it
| get built and I have driven by it for years. I had a neighbor who used to
| buy things there. I have almost stopped to shop there several times
| but I always went zipping on by trying to avoid the left turners
| going into the parking lot.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 396) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 6:48:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I had a close friend who worked for Greenfield lumber
| here in Detroit for about 40 years...even after he retired.  He used
| to point out to me what buildings/houses were built well as we drove
| around cause he knew the builders and supplied so much of the
| lumber/supplies that they used.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 397) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 9:03:23 pm 
|
| ray>
| sunscreen.
|
| BTW the "-bmp" argument during conversion is redundant, since BMP
| is the default anyway, we can trim that line a bit more.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 398) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 9:04:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| And, I'm tantalizingly close to being able to do conversions
| internaly, I can already to single jpg's with this:
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 399) Tue, Apr 25, 2006 - 9:08:34 pm 
|
| ray>
| file/.jpg      >BMP|[200]$ejpeg32.exe $j $1 $2
|
| I have no idea how much memory is required or if it goes up with the
| size of the image or what, but the above worked -- nice and fast too,
| so how how to do a pack of conversions?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 400) Wed, Apr 26, 2006 - 8:28:27 pm 
|
| ray>
| Got the bulk conversion to work with system(), but speed tests 
| indicate that it's faster to run the roura anyway :-/ Seems one or
| two files convert faster internaly tho.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 401) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 12:18:04 am 
|
| Eric>
| Glennmcc,  RE: F8 - Clear cache  
|
| I just accidentally cleared my cache with that damn F8 key again.
| Why isn't that warning you installed used as a default feature?
| I'm sure I'm not the only one aggravated by that single key press
| delete of the cache.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 402) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 5:30:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Because _you_ are the only person to _ever_ request a warning.
|
| 'WarnClear Yes' is an "Eric exclusive" feature.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 403) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 5:50:02 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| BTW,
|
| What key did you intend upon hitting when you hit F8 by mistake ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 404) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 6:02:36 pm 
|
| Jake>
| _I_ don't count, then? <G>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  405) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 6:12:57 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oops.... I forgot that you also like the Windozey way of doing things.
|
| Are you sure you want to do that ? Yes/No
|
| Are you _really_ sure ?? Yes/No
|
| Are you really, REALLY sure you want to do that ??? Yes/No
|
| Last warning.... are you ABSOLUTELY SURE ????? Yes/No
|
| OK, if you're CERTAIN that you REALLY want to do THAT !!!! Yes/No
|
| SCREW YOU !!! , I don't want to do that.... I'm going to make you
| restart in DOS mode and do it from the command line.
|
|
| <gggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 406) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 7:22:50 pm 
|
| Jake>
| It aint Windozey, it's just sensible human factors engineering.
|
| Estimated lifetime waste of time from confirmation step: 1 hour.
|
| Estimated lifetime waste of time from unintended data loss: 1 week.
|
| BTW, for a timewasting and annoying example of too many steps, I
| would nominate the local file open dialog in Exploiter. Most versions
| of Opera give an option for a close of program confirmation dialog.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  407) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 7:38:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But are you sure that's the way you want it to work ? Yes/No
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 408) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 7:56:37 pm 
|
| Jake>
| Doesn't matter as long as there's a k3wl choice of skinz...
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  409) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 8:36:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Heheheh... now you really _are_ beginning to sound 'windozey'.
|
| <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 410) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 9:57:21 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I was intending to press F4...I unintentionally press F8
| often when I'm thinking about too many things at the same time...
| instead of F4...I think it's because of the key grouping into
| sets of 4 on the keyboard. <ggg> 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 411) Sat, Apr 29, 2006 - 8:20:52 am 
|
| ray>
| Confirmations screens == windozey
| Alt+F8 == double key so will almost never be pressed by accident.
| In my core, all 'dangerous' keys will be double keys.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 412) Sat, Apr 29, 2006 - 2:40:11 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| FYI,
|
| Alt+F8 is right next to Alt+F7 so it will still get hit by mistake.
|
| In-fact.... Alt+F8 is even more likely to bew hit by mistake when Alt+F7
| was intended than is F8 instead of F4 that Eric was intending to hit.
|
| Therefore....
| Alt+F8 is just as dangerous if not more so than is F8 alone.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 413) Sat, Apr 29, 2006 - 3:18:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| Not if the entire keyboard is given some systematic thought to
| avoid this sort of thing. But any rational keybord design should
| consider the general principle that 'dangerous' keys are double keys
| and visa versa. The keyboard as we now have it is like a city that's
| grown from a village with no planning -- chaos. We need a 'fire' to
| burn the whole thing down and permit a rational rethink.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 414) Sat, Apr 29, 2006 - 4:52:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| IMO,
|
| Mr. Andrews == Mr. Rational
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 415) Sat, Apr 29, 2006 - 10:30:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yup. Ever studied the four basic personality types and their
| derivatives? Seems the idea goes back to the ancients and every 
| culture comes up with the same four. In one of the modern
| incarnations:
|
| 1)Rationals
| 2)Guardians
| 3)Idealists
| 4)Artistans
|
| I'm a rational, you are a guardian, Eric's probably an artisan.
| Hard to say about Gregy but I'm thinking he might be an idealist.
|
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 416) Sun, Apr 30, 2006 - 3:03:52 am 
|
| gregy>
| I refuse to take the bait....<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 417) Sun, Apr 30, 2006 - 6:23:12 am 
|
| Jake>
| I guess there's no category left for me...
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  418) Sun, Apr 30, 2006 - 9:07:27 am 
|
| ray>
| I don't know you well enough to guess. Glenn and I are 
| both perfect specimins of our types but lots of folks have
| crossover personalities. What's cool is that the world would
| grind to a halt without all four types -- they are all esential.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 419) Sun, Apr 30, 2006 - 3:24:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| Gotta differ with ya #415....
|
|
| glennmcc == rational guardian
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================