DOS Testers1 Message Board
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| 1) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 12:13:59 am 
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| gregy>
| New board...
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| 2) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 12:18:26 am 
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| gregy>
| Last 11 messages:
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| | 409) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 8:36:18 pm 
| |
| | glennmcc>
| | Heheheh... now you really _are_ beginning to sound 'windozey'.
| |
| | <gggg>
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| | 410) Fri, Apr 28, 2006 - 9:57:21 pm 
| |
| | Eric>
| | glennmcc,   I was intending to press F4...I unintentionally press F8
| | often when I'm thinking about too many things at the same time...
| | instead of F4...I think it's because of the key grouping into
| | sets of 4 on the keyboard. <ggg> 
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| | 411) Sat, Apr 29, 2006 - 8:20:52 am 
| |
| | ray>
| | Confirmations screens == windozey
| | Alt+F8 == double key so will almost never be pressed by accident.
| | In my core, all 'dangerous' keys will be double keys.
| |
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| | 412) Sat, Apr 29, 2006 - 2:40:11 pm 
| |
| | glennmcc>
| | FYI,
| |
| | Alt+F8 is right next to Alt+F7 so it will still get hit by mistake.
| |
| | In-fact.... Alt+F8 is even more likely to bew hit by mistake when
| | Alt+F7
| | was intended than is F8 instead of F4 that Eric was intending to
| | hit.
| |
| | Therefore....
| | Alt+F8 is just as dangerous if not more so than is F8 alone.
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| | 413) Sat, Apr 29, 2006 - 3:18:55 pm 
| |
| | ray>
| | Not if the entire keyboard is given some systematic thought to
| | avoid this sort of thing. But any rational keybord design should
| | consider the general principle that 'dangerous' keys are double keys
| | and visa versa. The keyboard as we now have it is like a city that's
| | grown from a village with no planning -- chaos. We need a 'fire' to
| | burn the whole thing down and permit a rational rethink.
| |
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| | 414) Sat, Apr 29, 2006 - 4:52:39 pm 
| |
| | glennmcc>
| | IMO,
| |
| | Mr. Andrews == Mr. Rational
| |
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| | 415) Sat, Apr 29, 2006 - 10:30:59 pm 
| |
| | ray>
| | Yup. Ever studied the four basic personality types and their
| | derivatives? Seems the idea goes back to the ancients and every 
| | culture comes up with the same four. In one of the modern
| | incarnations:
| |
| | 1)Rationals
| | 2)Guardians
| | 3)Idealists
| | 4)Artistans
| |
| | I'm a rational, you are a guardian, Eric's probably an artisan.
| | Hard to say about Gregy but I'm thinking he might be an idealist.
| |
| |
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| | 416) Sun, Apr 30, 2006 - 3:03:52 am 
| |
| | gregy>
| | I refuse to take the bait....<g g g g>
| |
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| | 417) Sun, Apr 30, 2006 - 6:23:12 am 
| |
| | Jake>
| | I guess there's no category left for me...
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| |  418) Sun, Apr 30, 2006 - 9:07:27 am 
| |
| | ray>
| | I don't know you well enough to guess. Glenn and I are 
| | both perfect specimins of our types but lots of folks have
| | crossover personalities. What's cool is that the world would
| | grind to a halt without all four types -- they are all esential.
| |
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| | 419) Sun, Apr 30, 2006 - 3:24:26 pm 
| |
| | glennmcc>
| | Ray,
| |
| | Gotta differ with ya #415....
| |
| |
| | glennmcc == rational guardian
| |
| | <ggg>
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| 3) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 2:25:47 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I just came across a page that caused an infinite 
| download until xSwap error. I'm using 190JG-387 custom compile
| that you did for me.  I lost the page and couldn't find it in
| the history.  I'll let you know if I find it.  Nothing would
| stop the runaway download.....screwed up my memory but still
| running without a reboot.
|
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| 4) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 4:42:15 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| If you have 'ESC Ignore' ... pressing and holding y=the ESC key will
| stop those things. (most times.... but not always)
|
| If ESC is set to 'Back' or 'Exit' then pressing and holding one of the
| hotkeys that takes you instantly to some other page will stop it.
|
| 'M' for mail, or 'H' for hotlist, 'K' for keys, etc, etc,...
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| 5) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 4:48:15 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| In addition... after the Xswap crash.... always choose
| 'Restart Arachne Now' when the 'Arachne Fatal Error' page appears.
|
| If for any reason that page does not appear after a crash, navigate to
| arachne_main\system\gui\fatal.ah and choose 'Restart Arachne Now'
| or alternatly, Alt+X to exit completely and then restart manually
| by running arachne.bat or your 'custom start-up bat file' which runs
| arachne.bat
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| 6) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 5:06:01 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| I'd be grateful if you could refind that page, I saved one of those
| for future work but lost it.
|
| BTW I've got all the 190 stuff in my core now and it could use
| a boot around the block from you, lots of new features from Joe and
| Glenn to try out. Let me know if you've got the time.
|
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| 7) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 5:08:42 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| If you're done testing that page I made with 400 thumbnails.... I'm
| going to delete it to save space on the server.
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| 8) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 5:29:43 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ah, got distracted, or rather un-distracted myself and got back to
| incorporating '190. Please leave it there for a bit longer, I'll let
| you know when I'm ... hey I can just grab it. Nuts! I still find myself
| forgetting that when you view a page, it is on your own computer!!
| I keep relapsing to the 'TV' way of thinking, that what you have is
| just a picture beamed over the wire <;-)
|
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| 9) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 5:32:09 pm 
|
| ray>
| What's it's name? Checked in /my-stuff, couldn't see anything 
| obvious.
|
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| 10) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 5:40:58 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| They are thumbs .... therefore...... /thumbs/ <ggg>
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| 11) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 5:43:20 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But hold on grabbing it and going through all the work of downloading
| and saveing all 400 JPEGs and the page itself.
|
| I'll ZIP the whole thing and email it to ya.
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| 12) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 6:10:01 pm 
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| glennmcc>
| Done.
|
| You've got mail ;-)
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| 13) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 6:11:22 pm 
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| ray>
| tx
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| 14) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 6:30:02 pm 
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| gregy>
| Glenn....Re: "save space on the server"....could you stash stuff like
| that on VA....???....remember, we've got 1000Mbytes capacity, there..
| ..???
|
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| 15) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 7:55:45 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I tried hitting keys and CTRL-ALT-ESC and ALT-E and
| everything else I could think of but it wouldn't stop until it
| aborted to DOS with the xSwap error. After I restarted it I checked
| the memory and of course it is messed up but still running.
|
| Ray,   I can't find the page....I can't remember what it was....
| I was googling for graphics programs and I went back and tried
| again but couldn't find it. Sorry....
|
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| 16) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 8:42:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The next time you see it begin to happen... press 'K' and just hold that
| key down... don't release and press again... just press 'K' and hold it.
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| 17) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 11:42:21 pm 
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| Eric>
| glennmcc,  But I thought we had that runaway download fixed...and...
| what happened to that CTRL-ALT-ESC breakaway that I thought was
| developed by Joe?   And How long is one supposed to hold down
| a hot key to cause a break?  I'm sure I held down several
| hot keys! <gggg>
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| 18) Mon, May 01, 2006 - 11:46:17 pm 
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| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Also, the mail download keeps on aborting with this
| 1.90JG-387 core...I can't get a complete download of even 7 emails.
|
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| 19) Tue, May 02, 2006 - 9:51:21 am 
| URL
|
| Eric>
| Someone might find this interesting but not surprizing! <ggg>
|
|
| http://www.techspot.com/news/21450-users-still-clueless-about-spyware.html
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| 20) Tue, May 02, 2006 - 10:27:41 am 
| URL
|
| Eric>
| Just what we need....Record your favorite program on your computer.
| <ggg>
|
| http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=33000
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| 21) Tue, May 02, 2006 - 3:25:42 pm 
|
| ray>
| I'm so happy.
|
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| 22) Tue, May 02, 2006 - 4:46:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Not surprized at-all to see that most users can't spot the signs of
| spyware and addware.
|
| Most of the computers I have 'cleaned-up' for friends were infected with
| many hundreds of pieces of spyware, addware, viruses, trojans, kak worms,
| etc... etc...
|
| You name it, they were infected with it.
|
| All of them took many hours to clean-up and required the use of
| F-Prot, SpyBott and Adaware to catch all of the infections.
|
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| 23) Tue, May 02, 2006 - 8:35:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Ctrl+Alt+Esc only works if you also have one of these 2 lines in arachne.cfg
|
| AtlTab Yes
|
| or
|
| AltKeys Yes
|
| (Joe added 'AltKeys' to take the place of 'AltTab' but left 'AltTab'
| for 'backward compatibility')
|
| As to how long to hold the hotkey... for as long as it takes. <ggg>
|
| Seriously.... the next time you see that RDLC happen, press and hold the
| 'M' key.
|
| Hold it down for as long as is needed for one of 2 things to happen.
|
| 1) the RDLC will be stopped and the mail page will appear
| 2) the RDLC will cause the Xswap crash
|
| As-far-as-I-know, those are the only 2 posibilities.
|
| But please also enable either AltTab or AltKeys and give Joe's
| 'emergency breack-out' a try.
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| 24) Tue, May 02, 2006 - 8:36:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to the mail download aborts....
|
| I'll have a look at it and be back in a few minutes.
|
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| 25) Tue, May 02, 2006 - 8:52:02 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Found the problem.
|
| I forgot to warn Joe that some of my of code in popget.c
| is still 'experimental'.
|
| Therefore, he had it enabled.
|
| I have just now uploaded a fresh 'Eric customized' compile for you.
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/190e0502.zip
| _____________
|
| Ray and Joe,
|
| I was wrong.
|
| This section in popget.c is still not working correctly.
|
| //!!glennmcc: Jun 27, 2005 -- This one finally works correctly :))
| #ifdef EXP//experimental
|  if (strlen(ptr)<1 || !buffer ||
|      (locallength<1 && strstr(ptr,"\n\0\n.\n")))
| //!!glennmcc: Sep 29, 2005 -- next line was still causing a few aborts
| //          || (strstr(ptr,"\r\n\0\r\n.\r\n")
|   done=1;
| #endif
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
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| 26) Tue, May 02, 2006 - 8:54:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Please insert the #ifdef EXP//experimental define to keep it out of your
| 'regular' compiles.
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| 27) Tue, May 02, 2006 - 10:04:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| You might consider the 'Experimental' *keyword*, nice thing
| is that the user can turn stuff off without needing a new build.
| Costs a bit of effort and size but once in place it can save
| resending and also identify problems faster since the user can
| try with the keyword on/off before even reporting the bug.
|
|
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| 28) Wed, May 03, 2006 - 11:18:10 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Thanks for the new compilation...mail download is
| much smoother now...no aborts! <ggg>
|
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| 29) Wed, May 03, 2006 - 11:33:52 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I also added "AltKeys Yes" to arachne.cfg and now
| CTRL-ALT-ESC works and gives: errorlevel message and then Fatal
| Error page.  It hangs up Arachne but not the modem....Alt-D
| puts Arachne back online without dialing or disturbing the modem
| connection. <ggg>
|
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| 30) Wed, May 03, 2006 - 12:15:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Joe does good work... don't he ? <ggg>
|
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| 31) Thu, May 04, 2006 - 2:09:30 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I just had xSwap error when I pressed H for my hotlist.
|
| Memory Allocation error - Illegal xSwap operation at line 811 of
| file ATOMS.C!
| Trying to deallocate xSwap ...OK
| Errorlevel 1
| Errorlevel 0
| Press any key to continue . . .
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| 32) Thu, May 04, 2006 - 2:11:33 am 
|
| Eric>
| RE:  post#31 cont. ... I am using 1.90JG-387 ... The custom compile
| you made for me. 
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| 33) Thu, May 04, 2006 - 2:16:45 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Just had xSwap error again only at line 441 of PUTIKONW.C!
|
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| 34) Thu, May 04, 2006 - 4:27:45 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| It is possible that some previous page you visited started things going
| awry and then visiting _any page_ (not just your hotlist),
| was 'the straw that broke the camels' back'.
|
| If that happens again.
|
| Please zip-up and send your history.lst to me.
|
| I will see if I can duplicate it by visiting the same pages you did in
| the same order in-which you visted them.
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| 35) Thu, May 04, 2006 - 6:29:21 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   It seems to me that the history list doesn't always
| show the addresses in the order in which they were visited.  
| Sometimes when I look for an address recently visited I can't
| even find it in the history list!
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| 36) Thu, May 04, 2006 - 7:13:57 pm 
|
| Ray>
| I've wondered about that too but haven't ever stopped to try to
| figure out why it is.
|
|
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| 37) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 12:15:55 am 
|
| gregy>
| Part of it is because the "crash page" URL doesn't get recorded in the
| HISTORY.LST.....
| ...
|
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| 38) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 9:22:26 am 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, Glenn does things with that that are interesting. One day when
| I get the brain voltage I've got to look at his method and see if
| I can get the bugs ironed out of it. There's lots of stuff that
| can be excluded from the history but it seems there's always some
| glitch.
|
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| 39) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 5:17:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| My method does not have bugs.
|
| It is simply your understanding of my method that is buggy. <ggggg>
|
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| 40) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 6:45:45 pm 
|
| ray>
| I think you way will prevail eventualy but I did note some problems,
| like not being able to start with mail download if 'pop3' was
| kept out of the history. But it's been a long time since I played with
| it. Complecated stuff, I figure I'll be better able to fiddle with
| it latter. No doubt that the more restrictive history list is
| the ideal tho.
|
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| 41) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 6:46:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| ... or maybe you have those things fixed ...
|
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| 42) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 7:12:32 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh yes you CAN start with mail download.
|
| I do it every time I boot my computer
|
| --- in autoexec.bat ---
|
| C:\1BATCH\ARR.BAT 191 file://pop_all.asf
|
| --- contents of pop_all.asf ---
| pop3://glennmcc:password@mail.cisnet.com:110/
| pop3://glennmcc1959:password@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com:110/
| pop3://glennmcc@bluebottle.com:password@mail.bluebottle.com:110/
| reload:file://inbox.dgi
| ____________________________
|
|
| Not only do I download my email.... but that one command grabs my email
| from all 3 of my addresses.
|
| SO THERE !!!!
|
| HaHaHa !!!
|
| <ggggg>
|
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| 43) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 8:00:11 pm 
|
| ray>
| Willey old bugger! < ggg >
| Hmmm, but you can't use pop3 directly, right? How is that
| spelled? file:pop3? arachne:pop3? You'd think I'd know by now
| anyway you know what I mean.  Hmmm maybe the workaround is
| perfectly good enough :-)
|
| Wake up idiot! It's right there in the last message:
|
| pop3://...
|
| man I can be thick some times, makes me mad <:-<
|
| Hmmmm maybe that's good enough for me to implement your system,
| esp. given it's other advantages.
|
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| 44) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 8:04:30 pm 
|
| ray>
| But I'd be happier if the pop3: could be used directly on startup
| and still not be historied. Can we make an execption to your
| history exclusions for startup or other situations where some page
| is forced? It might have something to do with the way things are
| only historied after they have been loaded sucessfuly (which bugs me
| BTW, 'cause an imperfectly typed URL is gone whereas if they were
| historied before being loaded you could retrieve them and fix them.)
|
|
|
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| 45) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 8:54:44 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Sure can use it directly..... _if_ you are already online.
|
| arachne pop3://<enter> at the command prompt works just fine.
|
| The only time it won't work is if you are offline when you try it.
|
|
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|
| 46) Sun, May 07, 2006 - 8:55:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| When you're offline.... arachne file:pop3.asf<enter> works perfectly.
|
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|
| 47) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 3:31:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| Well lets just fix that. Heck if it already 'half' works how big a
| hurdle can there be to fix that one little glitch? Yeah, then I 
| could adopt your history exclusions without reservation.
|
|
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|
| 48) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 4:43:03 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The whole point is that running an ASF over-rides the history exclusion
| because by running an ASF that ASF is copied onto history.lst
|
| That's why pop3 ends-up in history.lst even tho we are excluding it.
|
|
|
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|
| 49) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 4:44:16 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| You could completely exclude _all_ URLs from history.lst and running an
| ASF would still put whatever URL was in the ASF into history.lst
|
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|
| 50) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 6:40:28 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, I know why the .asf works, what I'd like to know is why the other
| *doesn't* work with this online/offline exception. This can probably
| be cracked.
|
|
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|
| 51) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 7:02:08 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| It works if you are already on line because arachne.bat pop3:// is run
| directly.
|
| It does not work when you are offline because arachne.bat pop3:// first
| has to run the dialer and then com back in to run pop3:// from
| history.lst
|
| Since pop3:// was not saved into history.lst .... it can't be grabbed
| from there.
|
| But putting pop3:// into an ASF and running arachne.bat fikle:pop3.asf
| puts pop3:// into history.lst so that we can branch-out to the dialer
| and come back in ansd grab pop3:// from history.lst
|
|
|
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|
| 52) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 9:03:15 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yes, it starts to come back to me. But something tells me there 
| could be a simple work around.
|
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|
| 53) Mon, May 08, 2006 - 10:24:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The _is_ a simple work around.
|
| arachne.bat file:pop3.asf
|
| ya' wanna tell me just how it can possibly get any simpler than that ????
|
| <gggg>
|
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| 54) Tue, May 09, 2006 - 3:55:04 pm 
|
| ray>
| Na, it's still a workaround, I want an elegant answer.
|
|
|
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| 55) Tue, May 09, 2006 - 4:35:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Correct me if I'm wrong here but, did you not just say in post #52....
|
| "But something tells me there could be a simple work around."
|
| Yep, that's what you said.
|
| Well sir....
|
| If you did not _want_ a work around.... why did you mention work around ????
|
| <ggggg>
|
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| 56) Tue, May 09, 2006 - 4:37:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to "elegant answer".
|
| Pay-tell how can we possibly get more elegant than this ????
| 'arachne.bat file:pop3.asf'
|
| In-fact.....
| pop3smtp.asf has been a part of every release for quite a few years now.
|
| The last time it was modified was almost 7 years ago.
|
| POP3SMTP.ASF  71  5-14-99  4:30a
|
| --- arachne.bat file:pop3smtp.asf
| --- dials/connects/logs-in/downloads any waiting mail/uploads any TBSs
| --- hangs-up/displays the inbox ---
|
| --- contents of pop3smtp.asf ---
| arachne:dialer
| pop3:
| smtp:
| arachne:hangup
| reload:file://inbox.dgi
| _______________________________________________
|
| I tell ya what.
|
| If you have a more 'elegant' method than that..... please outline said
| method and I'll be more than happy to help you with its implementation.
|
|
| <gggg>
|
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|
| 57) Tue, May 09, 2006 - 9:55:37 pm 
|
| ray>
| Well yeah ... I shouldn't say 'workaround' sounds kludgy. I just figure
| an .asf shouldn't be needed. As to the method, sheesh, if I knew 
| how it worked I wouldn't need any help (but I don't, so I do) How the
| history and cache work is still tera incognita to me. But I'm 
| near to being convinced as it is. Maybe an .asf *is* the proper
| way of overriding a history exclusion. But it seems to me that
| there should be some way of avoiding that, esp. as these blasted
| .asfs kill the previous history list (BTW that should be simple to
| fix, just make a temporary copy of history.lst and restore it
| after the .asf has finished.) Still, given the advantages of your
| system, the workaround is a small price to pay *if* a better way
| can't be found.
|
|
|
|
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|
| 58) Wed, May 10, 2006 - 1:31:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK, as a start... the whole point to not saveing either pop3 or smtp
| into the history is to simply prevent the re-download/re-upload of mail
| when going 'back in history' via Ctrl+LeftArrow
|
| That was it... that was the only reason for not putting them into history.ls
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 59) Wed, May 10, 2006 - 3:02:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, I know. Back when I was on the virge of doing something about
| that myself, it seemed to me that there could be some sort of
| filter based on a distinction between 'actions' and 'places' such that
| an 'action' was always permited on startup but never added to the
| history list. So there would have to be some buffer created for
| actions if preceded by another action, like dial followed by get mail.
| One day I'll dive into it, assuming you don't beat me to it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 60) Wed, May 10, 2006 - 5:06:32 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| No need to worry about me beating you to it.
|
| As far as I'm concerned, it already works perfectly.
|
| And since IMO it ain't broke.... I ain't gonna fix it.
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 61) Wed, May 10, 2006 - 8:35:16 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I'm not that happy with this A190JG release....
| I semms like a whole lot of stuff that we fixed/added is no
| longer implemented in this release.  <ggg> For instance, 
| besides the things you have already had to fix...when I tested 
| the "new install over existing install" since my ISP was down
| and I needed something to do...(Oh yeh!)...and...Udo keeps insisting
| how good it is to install over an existing install...I COULD NOT
| install over the existing installation because that D**N 5000K
| freespace "requirement" which is not a requirement when installing
| over an existing installation. You fixed that once but now it's 
| back again! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 62) Wed, May 10, 2006 - 8:40:32 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Also, why did I get "Connection NUL" in the arachne.cfg?  I don't
| recall ever getting that before! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 63) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 9:25:48 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| All of the .ACF files that are not specifically for a particlular
| type of connction begin with 'Connection NUL'
|
| You must now go through the various setup screens to choose what type
| of connection you'll be using.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 64) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 9:28:54 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
|
| ---------- l:386pc.acf
| Connection NUL
|
| ---------- l:486pc.acf
| Connection NUL
|
| ---------- l:bbsppp.acf
| Connection @epppd.exe>>PPP.LOG
|
| ---------- l:fastpc.acf
| Connection NUL
|
| ---------- l:lan.acf
| Connection READY
|
| ---------- l:pppvolny.acf
| Connection @epppd.exe>>PPP.LOG
|
| ---------- l:slip.acf
| Connection @cslipper.exe com3 baud=19200 vec=60 irq=4
|
| ---------- l:slowpc.acf
| Connection NUL
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 65) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 10:15:56 pm 
|
| ray>
| Those .asf's are dangerous, more than once I've heard of folks 
| overwritting their .cfg's without even knowing it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 66) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 10:55:19 pm 
|
| ray>
| I figure they should only be accessible to the general user on
| instalation after that, you should have to did to find them and use
| command line to copy them -- safer that way. Eh Eric?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 67) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 11:02:50 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That happens due to yet another of the many many examples of people not
| reading what is right under their noses.
|
| file://system/gui/profiles.ah
|
| Warning: After selecting new profile file, current
| configuration (ARACHNE.CFG) will be overwritten! 
|
| ___________________________________________________
|
|
| We try and try to warn users of what will happen.
|
| But they simply refuse to read and heed the warnings.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 68) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 11:07:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And of-course the same people who did not read that one... als odid niot
| read this one.
|
| file://doc/acf_asf.htm
|
| Using Arachne profiles and scripts
| ============================================================================
| ACF - Arachne Configuration Files
|
| ACF files are simply copies of the ARACHNE.CFG file. Once you configure and
| fine-tune Arachne for some Internet provider, you can create two copies of
| the ARACHNE.CFG file each containing a different user name, e-mail address,
| POP3 account, signature, mail directory, hotlist, etc. Or you can use two
|
| ACF profiles for two different providers but both with the same personal
| information. 
|
| ACF files are maintained using a special Profile Manager, accessible, for
| example, from the Desktop | Options page or from the PPP dialer screen. 
| ============================================================================
|
|
| And since they did not read it... they did not create a backup.ACF
| containing their working settings.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 69) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 11:10:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| They also did not read this one....
|
| file://doc\dir.htm
|
| Nor any of those accessible via the F1 help pages.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 70) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 11:14:16 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And those same users never pressed the "NewUser help index" button on
| ppp_init.htm
|
| Therefore they never read any of the items on these pages....
|
| file://guide.htm    NewUser Guide
| file://survival.htm NewUser SurvivalGuide
| file://help-eng.htm More detailed information
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 71) Thu, May 11, 2006 - 11:16:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The list of easily accessible info included with the package
| is as long as your arm.
|
| But as the old saying goes,
|
| You can lead a user to the help files...
| but you can't make him read them.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 72) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 12:17:19 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I don't understand, and I don't think a new user would
| either.  I did a complete installation using the manual option.
| I thought I did everything I was requested to do/answer. So...
| why didn't I get a "Connection @lsppp.exe" or "Connection @epppd.exe"
| or something similar?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 73) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 1:32:42 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Sometimes the new user, or even not so new user, reads
| those things but doesn't really understand what he is reading
| because of an unfamiliarity with the files and procedures
| that are being discussed.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 74) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 1:40:31 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| If anyone is so freaking STUPID that they don't understand
| such a simple thing as this.............
|
| Warning: After selecting new profile file, current
| configuration (ARACHNE.CFG) will be overwritten! 
|
|
| F*** 'em, they can go back to WinCrap !!!!
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 75) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 1:45:14 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to getting your connection stuff.
|
| Did you go through the "PPP Wizard" ?
|
| Did you read this ?
|
| If you have modem and
| PPP account, try to use
| this Arachne PPP Wizard.
| It will attempt to
| autodetect your modem -
| but you have to know
| phone number, IP address
| of nameserver (DNS),
| PPP username
| and PPP password. 
|
| ________________________
|
|
| Did you select all of the required options on each successive page ?
|
| Did you save all of the changes and then select to use the new settings ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 76) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 1:47:00 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Obviously, you did not....
| otherwise 'Connection NUL' would not still be in arachne.cfg 
|
| Go back and try again.
|
| But this time........... READ THE FREAKING INSTRUCTIONS !!!!!!!!!!
|
|
| <gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 77) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 3:30:54 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I read the instructions and they said I would have
| more control if I used the manual option...so I did.
| BTW, I am having a problem with Insight...after deleting several
| emails, when I press [I] the index doesn't update, BUT if I click
| on the INBOX icon then the index is updated.
|
| Also, I was not referring to that single note that you
| said a new user should be able to understand. I was 
| referring to all the different help files and info
| files the new user should read. BUT, a new user still
| may not understand the total power of arachne.cfg.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 78) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 3:44:23 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   When I did the installation/upgrade over my existing
| installation I was doing it as a test, SO...I was trying to do
| everything according to the instructions as they were given
| by the installation program.  I was NOT doing a slap happy 
| installation while talking on a cell phone.  Therefore, if
| indeed I did miss something or do something wrong, then
| there is a good chance some other concientious user might
| make the same mistake due to some ambiguity in the
| instructions. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 79) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 8:19:30 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Well, then...... grab your cell phone and start a fresh install.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 80) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 4:50:47 pm 
|
| ray>
| This is another one of those theory vs. practice things. Eric 
| isn't stupid and he did it. Bastiaan a while ago managed to overwrite
| his .cfg without even knowing it and he isn't stupid either. I
| conclude from this that just because there are sufficient protections
| for yourself on this matter in not a demonstration that people who
| screw this up are dumb. I am purely empirical on matters like this:
| theory be damned, smart guys make this mistake so the guards are
| demonstrably inadequate. Period.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 81) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 5:51:45 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     Sorry, I don't have a cell phone. I would be
| content if similar controls were put on cell phones as
| have been imposed on DDT.  <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 82) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 7:25:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| Yes... I agree.
| My previous posts were just me jokeing around with it.
|
| What say we place a 'real safeguard' in there.
|
| Suppose we make .ACFs only 'activatable' if the current URL is acf_asf.htm
|
| That way the warning is right there on-screen before an ACF is linked-to.
|
| Or perhaps automatically place the warning on-screen when any ACFs are
| shown on-screen in a dir listing.
|
| file:*.acf would not only show the ACFs themselves, but would also show
| that warning as-well.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 83) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 7:25:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| If ya want to do it up right... you're just gonna hafta get youself a
| cell phone.
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 84) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 8:46:38 pm 
|
| ray>
| Your call my man. The directory thing seems a bit more problematical
| since the .acf might show up in a number of different types of
| listing. Off hand I'd say the first idea is the simplest and most
| bomb proof -- you can't do anything by acident since you must load
| the 'dangerous' page prior to making any choice. Also, if anyone
| loads the page and doesn't read the warnings, well, they are then
| the victims of their own blindness.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 85) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 9:09:39 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I have enough radiation from outer space passing thru
| my brain cells...<ggg>...I don't have to add cell phone radiation
| to it! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 86) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 9:18:43 pm 
|
| Eric>
| BTW,   my ISP is supposed to be doing some repairs so I may
| suddenly just fade away for an indetermimate time period. <ggg>
| Say, did you hear about the guy that got stopped for speeding on
| the Ohio Turnpike the other day?  The guy was a wise-acre and said to
| the trooper as he approach the car window: "I bet you just stopped me
| to sell me some tickets to the State Police Ball."
| The trooper replied: "Ohio State police don't have any balls!"
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 87) Fri, May 12, 2006 - 9:27:36 pm 
|
| ray>
| ha ha.  Worth remembering tho ;-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 88) Fri, May 19, 2006 - 5:56:56 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    Re: Email downloads - I think your confused about
| glennmcc's email download repair...I don't think it has
| anything to do with bad emails. He fixed it when I told him
| my downloads were aborting.  I didn't have any bad emails.
| It seems to be related to switching to the JG core.  Some
| of glennmcc's previous fixes seem to have been left out.
| glennmcc reinstituted his fix and then my email downloads
| stopped aborting.  Sam Ewalt was using the faulty core and
| was having the same problem. He didn't have any bad emails.
| When he updated to the latest core his problem went away. <ggg>  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 89) Fri, May 19, 2006 - 12:56:07 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Rodger that. Yeah, now that you mention it, I remember you flagging
| that problem. Anyway, it's all part of the ongoing hunt for the 
| perfect fix for bad emails. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 90) Fri, May 19, 2006 - 4:42:58 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Sorry to say it's the other way around.
|
| I did not check close enough before compiling and releasing Joe's SRCs
|
| He had my 'bad email freeze-up code' enabled.
|
| That's what was causing the aborts.
|
| It is now disabled and the aborts are gone.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 91) Fri, May 19, 2006 - 4:45:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| I have come to 2 conclusions.
|
| 1) there _is_ no 'perfect fix'
|
| 2) yours is the closest to perfection so-far
| (and from what I've seen... the closest to perfection that is possible)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 92) Sat, May 20, 2006 - 10:18:59 am 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, it seems to me that we can't test for every possible buggeration
| of emails so there's no point in even trying. Better to just
| test for the correct ending and give the user a way of coping with
| the others. Mind the popup doesn't have to be the answer, we could
| automate the procedure but then again the popup gives you direct
| control, and, so far, it sees that *all* the hanging mails are
| spams so the fact that the popup let's you kill them directly seems
| quite appropriate. Waxing philosopical, it seems to me that there's
| far to much error copping code in Arachne, like those functions we
| worked on a while back for removing junk from URL strings -- we can
| try to handle every possible ratty URL or apply this general
| error handling policy:
|
| if(ThingsAreAsTheyShouldBe)
|   GoAhead();
| else
|   GiveUserSomeWayOfDealingWithItManualy();
|
| as opposed to:
|
| if(ThingsAreAsTheyShouldBe)
|   GoAhead();
| else if(Error1)
|  ...
| else if(Error2)
|  ...
| else if(Error327)
|  ...
|
| etc.
|
|   
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 93) Sat, May 20, 2006 - 2:38:05 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope..... that would make things even worse.
|
| There are so many error ridden pages out there that every time a user
| went anywhere on the web, the page for choosing what to do would be
| popping up.
|
| That's the whole reason why I made the automatic disabling of keepalive
| 'locked-in' an not optional.
|
| This now totally eliminates the complaints about 'Bad Request'.
|
| It's bad enough that sometimes when keepalive gets autodisabled it pops
| up the error page suggesting that hitting 'R' to reload the page will
| probably load it OK on the 2nd try.
|
| The only way I can think of to make it just a little bit more automatic
| would be to auto-retry the page.
|
| But then if we did not limit the retries to say 2 or 3 ... it would sit
| there in a loop auto-retrying forever.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 94) Sat, May 20, 2006 - 5:53:38 pm 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, can't be dogmaic about these things neither. My bias it toward
| manual control because automatic systems tend to just crap out if
| they can't handle whatever the problem is however, if there is a
| background fix and it works and doesn't create new problems of it's own
| then heck, use it. As to these bad URL's I'd like to end up with some
| sort of user edit or something ... or maybe that's not really needed.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 95) Sat, May 20, 2006 - 6:39:30 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| 'G' works just fine for that. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 96) Sat, May 20, 2006 - 10:32:28 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ah, but the problem is that URL's are only stored *after* they
| have proven sucessful. Me, I'd prefer it if they were stored
| before hand, that way they could be retrieved from history and edited
| manualy if needed.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 97) Sat, May 20, 2006 - 11:27:37 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  I agree....URL's should be stored as typed just like 
| this message is right now being stored in textarea.tmp as
| I type it.
|
| Duplicate copied from textarea.tmp:
|
| Ray,  I agree....URL's should be stored as typed just like 
| this message is right now being stored in textarea.tmp as
| I type it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 98) Sun, May 21, 2006 - 8:07:18 am 
|
| ray>
| Yup, there's been many a time I've got a BAD URL just because I
| mistyped something but instead of being able to grab it from 
| history I've gotta retype the whole thing. Or maybe the last URL
| typed could be stored in a temporary buffer for retrieval with a 
| hotkey. That would keep it out of the history and still make it
| accessible. Or a bad URL might even be put right back up there
| with the message: The above URL couldn't be opened etc. etc. so's
| you can play with it or erase it as you want. Thots?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 99) Sun, May 21, 2006 - 1:40:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Any 'bad URL' will be in the URL bar or in the history... or both
|
| Try these...
|
| fttp://someplace.com/
| htpp://nowhere.org/
| pop4://110:/
|
| All 3 of them popped-up the 'Unknown Protocol' error page.
|
| And as you see.... all 3 are in my history.lst
|
| file:\arachne\hotlist.htm
| file:c:\html\MYPAGES\hotlist0.htm
| file:c:\html\MYPAGES\hotlist1.htm
| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/ctst/ctsindex.php
| pop4://110:0/
| htpp://nowhere.org:80/
| fttp://someplace.com:80/
| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/adev/advindex.php
| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/brd/misc/mindex.php
| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/brd/misc/mindex.php#end
| http://www.oldjake.co.uk/html-discuss/
| http://projects.toothpastealien.com/aqcc/
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 100) Sun, May 21, 2006 - 1:45:11 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Wile on the 'Unknown Protocol' error page... ach of those 'bad URLs' was
| also shown in the URL bar.
|
| Hitting 'G' places the cursor in the URL bar so that the 'bad' part can
| be changed to 'good'.
|
|
| fttp://someplace.com/ -- Hit 'G', change to -- ftp://someplace.com/
| htpp://nowhere.org/   -- Hit 'G', change to -- http://nowhere.org/
| pop4://110:/          -- Hit 'G', change to -- pop3://:110/
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 101) Sun, May 21, 2006 - 5:32:01 pm 
|
| ray>
| Nuts, feel like and idiot ;-) Sh**t, I know I've tried that before
| and it didn't work, now the bad URL's are there. Hmmmm, but the bad
| ones, for some reason, are buried deep in the list, maybe that's it,
| I never dug for them before. Learn something every day, tx Glenn.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 102) Sun, May 21, 2006 - 5:34:41 pm 
|
| ray>
| Na, that's not it, cause going to history always scrolls down to
| that URL. Dunno, one of those things where somewhere back in the mists
| of time you get it wrong and that sticks with you for the rest of your
| life. Well, now I can stop brooding about how I'm going to fix a
| problem that ain't even there ;-)
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 103) Tue, May 23, 2006 - 7:16:19 pm 
|
| ray>
| Vladimir,
|
| Bastiaan found a bug, as I wrote to him:
|
| Bastiaan,
|   
| Ok, found the bug. Start up the compiler, then load ERRORS.C.
| Now scroll down to about line 100 and find this: 
|
| =======================================================================
|   
| // Change to normal text screen except when executing $roura$.bat (64),
| // 31 = don't overwrite error msg. from above, 129 = m alloc error     
|                                                                        
| // BUG! 06-05-23: Thanks Bastiaan, must change to text mode when running
| // telnet.exe or other external program requiring input.               
|   if(/*rv != 64 &&*/ rv != 31 && rv != 129)                            
| //   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    
| // COMMENT OUT THAT LITTLE BIT, AND IT SHOULD BE OK.    
|     x_grf_mod(3);                                                      
|                                                                        
|   if(rv == 32) // Normal exit.                                         
|     printf(cEND, cVER_DOS);                                            
|   exit(rv);                                                            
|
| ==========================================================================
|
| Now press F9 to rebuild and it should be fine, let me know :-)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 104) Tue, May 23, 2006 - 8:25:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| Sorry:
|
|
| Opps, I just made a bigger problem with that last fix, this is a bit
| better:  
|   
|   }                                                                     
| #endif                                                                  
| // 31 = don't overwrite error msg. from above, 129 = malloc error       
| // BUG! 06-05-23: Thanks Bastiaan, must change to text mode when running
| // telnet.exe or other external program requiring user input.           
| // But, we *must*not* change to text mode when running scripts etc.     
| // This is a miserable hack but it works.                               
|   
|   if((rv != 64 && rv != 31 && rv != 129)                                
|      || !strcmp(gLocation, "telnet:"))                                  
|     x_grf_mod(3);                                                       
|                                                                         
| Any ideas Glenn? This sux. I need a more generic test for external
| programs needing user input.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 105) Thu, May 25, 2006 - 6:54:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
|                             My site stats
|                    (number of hits to each page)
|
| 'root'         60001
| ar190          2300 (since Apr 17, 2006)
| alist          1552
| msgbrds        2200
| NewTree        1641 (since May 13, 2004)
| OldTree        1221 (since May 13, 2004)
| ar173           904 (Mar 20, 2004 to Oct 01, 2004)
| ar175          5793 (Mar 20, 2004 to Oct 01, 2004)
| ar177          2729 (Jun 26, 2004 to Dec 09, 2004)
| ar179          2472 (Dec 25, 2004 to Feb 16, 2005)
| ar181          1605 (Feb 16, 2005 to Mar 06, 2005)
| ar183          5417 (Mar 06, 2005 to Jul 27, 2005)
| ar185          3334 (Jul 27, 2005 to Oct 30, 2005)
| ar187          1345 (Oct 30, 2005 to Nov 20, 2005)
| ar189          8094 (Nov 27, 2005 to Apr 17, 2006)
|                8014 (Mar 20, 2004 to July 1, 2004)
| usbdos               taken-down to save bandwidth
|
| For a total of 108622 hits to this site since Mar 20, 2004
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 106) Fri, May 26, 2006 - 6:03:46 am 
|
| Eric>
| Hey glennmcc,   Running you latest 190 version and I just had an
| xSwap error:
|
| Memory allocation error - Illegal xSwap operation at line HTML.C!
| Trying to deallocate xSwap...ok
| Errorlevel 1
| Errorlevel 0
| Press any key to continue . . .
|
| I had just cleared the Trash and pressed H for my Hotlist.
| I was online.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 107) Fri, May 26, 2006 - 6:10:25 am 
|
| Eric>
| BTW,  I just wrote and added an OOK file using Comtool to 
| hangup my modem using SHIFT-F5.  It doesn't work until
| one first uses ALT-H (which gives an offline message but
| doesn't hang up modem).  If Comtool will hangup the modem,
| it would seem that Arachne ought to be able to also....
| without all these additional work-arounds. Something must
| be missing in the coding. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 108) Fri, May 26, 2006 - 7:15:32 am 
|
| ray>
| Let's see it Eric, maybe you have found the ultimate answer.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 109) Fri, May 26, 2006 - 9:57:50 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    It's not the ultimate answer...it's just a work around. <ggg>
| ALT-H (just one command) should be all that's necessary...but...
| since it's not I added SHIFT-F5 to finish it off.  Many others
| on the list have devised their own solutions to the hang-up bug.
| Since I'm not a C coder, I can't go into the source and fix it
| there like it should be done. If nothing else, I'm sure Arachne
| could be fixed to call Comtool when ALT-H is pressed. Then
| my SHIFT-F5 wouldn't be necessary. <ggg>`
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 110) Fri, May 26, 2006 - 2:22:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Ah, but what ALT-H *does* is quite open to change. Thus, as you say,
| the code called by that key can be changed to whatever works. Come
| to think of it, since my core handles hangup externaly anyway,
| all that's needed is a change in arachne.bat or in some 'hangup.bat'
| that might be called via arachne.bat -- another example of why
| externalizing stuff like dialup and hangup is a good idea.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 111) Fri, May 26, 2006 - 4:26:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: xsawp error in v1.90
|
| Since that's Joe's baby not mine... you'll need to ask him about it when
| he gets back from vacation.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 112) Fri, May 26, 2006 - 7:55:28 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, BTW,  With those HU files I sent you, ALT-H is no longer
| necessary since I added a call to TERMIN 0x60 to remove the
| pointer to the packet driver.   A simple SHIFT-F5 takes Arachne
| offline and hangs up the modem with the OOK. Or, running the BAT 
| version will accomplish the same thing from an ALT-E shell.
| I am sending a ZIP of 2 revised files COMTOOLH.OOK and HU.BAT
| which give a more professional appearance when run.
| .
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  113) Fri, May 26, 2006 - 8:21:35 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   Please disregard the HU.OOK...that got zipped into the new
| HU.ZIP by mistake.  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   114) Fri, May 26, 2006 - 10:15:13 pm 
|
| Little Birdie>
| --- in arachne.cfg ---
| Hangup @call HU.BAT
| ______________________
|
| Now Alt+H does-it-all
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 115) Sat, May 27, 2006 - 8:12:53 am 
|
| Owl>
| Little Birdie,   Thank you Cock Robin ... <ggg> ... Goes to show
| that three heads are better than two ! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  116) Sat, May 27, 2006 - 8:28:59 am 
|
| Owl>
| Hey, Little Birdie, it works like a charm....That was so obvious
| that I'm ashamed to admit I passed over it, totally ignored it.
| I need to get a better grasp of the obvious !! <ggg>   I was, like,
| diving for the field mouse that was standing in the shadow of the
| juicy rabbit which would have made a whole meal !!  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|   117) Sat, May 27, 2006 - 12:44:29 pm 
|
| ray>
| re 114, that's the spirit, once you realize that these things are
| better done externaly, then the only thing left is to cut out the
| redundant internal method as I have and give the user full control
| right from the getgo.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 118) Sat, May 27, 2006 - 2:47:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| We experts can write those BAT files to do it externally.
|
| The problem is... the average user can't.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 119) Sat, May 27, 2006 - 4:52:59 pm 
|
| ray>
| No problemo, just create the stock distro with the same functionality
| as at present, build that into hangup.bat and set the default .cfg to:
|
| Hangup @hangup.bat
|
| The naive user will never know the difference, but he will have
| a very small head start to learning how things are in fact done, and
| if needed, taking charge of it.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 120) Sat, May 27, 2006 - 5:01:49 pm 
|
| ray>
| My few regular users, once they get used to my system have often
| ended up saying someting like: "EUREKA! *Now* I understand how 
| this works -- Arachne dials/connects and hangs up using batchfiles,
| why didn't someone tell me that? Now I can customize my system to
| do ... "
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 121) Sat, May 27, 2006 - 7:26:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But....but.....but....
|
| _All_ of those 'few regular users' to whom you refer _are_ experts.
|
| And every one of them has had problems of one kind or another
| switching to 'your system'.
|
| If experts have problems... what hope is there for the 'average user' ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 122) Sat, May 27, 2006 - 7:31:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As to not knowing that Arachne uses batch files to do such things.
|
| If they did not know that... it is because they did not read the docs.
|
| file:l:\arachne\doc\dir.htm
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 123) Sat, May 27, 2006 - 9:42:17 pm 
|
| ray>
| Nope, some are just regular guys who like to be imune to email
| viruses, the only folks who have had problems are the experts who,
| naturaly enough, are acustomed to the old way, it is to be expected
| that getting used to something new after using another system for
| a long while will be a pain and the fact that it is is no comment
| on it's merits. Besides, like I said, you could make the change
| absolutely transparent to an out-of-the-box user, they'd never
| notice the difference.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 124) Sun, May 28, 2006 - 7:35:46 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| That's a nice .ook, I take it comtoolh.ook is the final?
| And of course it works as a .bat too.
| This should be kept on file incase others have hangup trouble.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 125) Sun, May 28, 2006 - 10:14:51 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| After much tidying of the stack, I've returned it  to 0x6000
| in size -- the size that caused you all that grief back then, but
| I'm sure it's safe now. I could sure use a test my man, if I go
| too long without, you know how much trouble I can get into ;-)
| BTW I'm now over 100K more than 1.90 in free memory and my core
| needs about 10 - 20 K less headroom too. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 126) Tue, May 30, 2006 - 4:32:33 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  You wrote on the list:
|
| >Even though my prefered screen layout is the one with 2 bars on top
| >and the buttons down the right of the screen and I don't use the
| >'one liner' myself... I see no reason to scrap it.
|
| I no longer see that option when I cycle thru the screen 
| fromats with F5.  Has Joe removed it?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 127) Tue, May 30, 2006 - 4:37:28 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   I found it ! <ggg>.....That option with the
| buttons on the right of the screen doesn't exist in 
| lower resolution.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 128) Tue, May 30, 2006 - 4:07:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| Right, it won't work because the HTML window needs the full width of
| the screen.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 129) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 7:23:37 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn...Ray...Eric...et al....
| ...
| There are 940 posts on the Coders Board:
| http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/adev/advindex.php
|
| PLEASE...do NOT, just now....post any more posts there...so that
| you can do the following test:
|
| 1.  go to the Coders Board and select "Show all messages"..then...
| "Show 1024 messages" then "Show 512 messages".....
| 2.  Post your results HERE...not on the Coders Board....I do NOT want
| to change the "test criteria"......<g g g>
|
| FWIW...I'm going to archive that board soon, maybe before the end of
| the month....but...for now...please perform this test and tell me what
| your results are..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 130) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 1:21:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| All 3 tests .. all, 1024 and 512 ... passed with flying colors.
|
| But then I'm using my own compile not Ray's nor Joe's <ggg>
|
| I'll betcha I can tell ya' what kind of problem you're having with
| previous compiles. (including mine up to and including v1.89)
|
| Let's see.... partial download of the page and it aborts before getting
| all of it.
|
| Try this test.
|
| Choose all messages but hold the Ctrl key when you activate Send/Refresh.
|
| Got the whole thing now ???? <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 131) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 1:23:13 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Also try the same test but use just the enter key with hloding the Ctrl
| key but after setting it up like so.....
|
| Options, Prefs & Perf.
|
| Look & feel
|
| X Wait till D/L done to display (enter key only)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 132) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 1:24:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oops... typo. :(
|
| ... use just the enter key _without_ holding the Ctrl key....
| ___________________________^^^^^^^^^________________________
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 133) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 1:27:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| My current compile now does the "Wait till D/L done to display" all the
| time now for both 'enter key on link' and for 'leftmouseclick on link'
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 134) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 1:28:23 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| No more 'render and display while downloading'.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 135) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 2:19:59 pm 
|
| Eric>
| I just downloaded "all messages" on Coders Board. I held down
| CTRL and pressed ENTER. I got a file (.htm) of 571,648 bytes,
| 1023 lines.  The first message was dated 02/01/06 at 12:17:51 AM.
| The last message was #941 by "g", the message was "m".
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 136) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 2:21:58 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Post #135 cont.
| Whoops,  I was using Arachne 1.90JG-387
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 137) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 2:39:14 pm 
|
| Eric>
| I just downloaded "all messages". I just pressed ENTER with
| the cursor on "Send/Refresh" button.  The download (refresh)
| took 3min. 41sec.    The load from disk takes 23sec.  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 138) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 2:46:15 pm 
|
| Eric>
| I just checked, "Options...Look Feel" and "Wait for D/L to finish
| before display" is not checked.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 139) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 3:01:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep.... the partial download of big pages for which the size
| is unkown is intermittent.
|
| Sometimes it aborts... sometimes ya get the whole thing with no problems.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 140) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 3:03:33 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But with my new setup in-which it always waits to display before
| rendering/displaying..... it never aborts... it always gets the whole thing.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 141) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 3:54:53 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,       Be careful how you use that word "never"!! <ggggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 142) Sun, Jul 16, 2006 - 7:25:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Well then, let's quallify that with...
|
| "never as a result of that particular problem"
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  143) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 2:18:13 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   When you login to Bluebottle do you have to enter
| your name and password 2 times?  I do when I login with Arachne...
| always.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 144) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 4:18:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Can't remember.
|
| BRB
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 145) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 4:31:21 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep, if you start at ... http://www.bluebottle.com/ you have to enter
| username/password a second time.
|
| But if you'll notice... the URL of the page we gat taken to after the
| 1st attempt at http://www.bluebottle.com/ is........
|
| http://mail.bluebottle.com/index.php?reason=login
|
| So.... if you go there 1st.... the 1st login attmpot works perfectly.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 146) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 4:37:32 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| It is similar to the problem of needing to do a re-login at Yahoo web mail
|
| The cookie that Yahoo sends during the 1st login does not have an
| experation date.
|
| The one it sends after doing the re-login _does_ have an expiration date.
|
| BRB
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 147) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 4:40:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| YM.Gen=i=vaIa6Ur8iCzhU2jjLHpwZz0lS3D4a1.OYD8-&v=1; path=/; domain=mail.yahoo
| \
| \
| \
| \
| \
| PH=fn=hM3fUpndehtBAV.AWkM-; path=/; domain=.yahoo.com
| \
| \
| \
| \
| \
| T=z=qCBvEBqIWvEBgdPMZS1ViazTzU2BjU2TzIyNDQyNU4-&a=
| YAE&sk=DAAbKpbFyjAL8P&d=c2wBT0RJeEFUSXhPRFUxTXpNMU
| 1qay0BYQFZQUUBb2sBWlcwLQF0aXABTGhCSGdEAXp6AXFDQnZF
| QmdXQQ--&af=QUFBQ0FDQURCOUFIQUJBQ0FEQU1IME1nTWgmdH
| M9MTE1MzE3NTcyMiZwcz10b0RvOGpwOXVFaEd5eHlWMHhPamNBLS0-; path=/;
|  domain=.yahoo.com
| \
| \
| \
| \
| \
| I=ir=gd&in=2766ab92&i1=BJAETQTWdUfvBhABqH;
|  expires=Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:35:22 GMT; path=/; domain=.yahoo.com
| \
| \
| \
| \
| \
|
| I got 3 without EXP dates .... one with an EXP date was received when I
| did the re-login.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 148) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 4:51:21 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Similar situation at at bluebottle.
|
| But not due to EXP dates (or lack there-of).
|
| http://www.bluebottle.com/ does not work directly if we don't have any
| cookies from them yet.
| (login via that URL requires that we already have a bluebottle cookie)
|
| Login via either...
| http://mail.bluebottle.com/index.php?reason=login
|
| or via ....
|
| http://mail.bluebottle.com/
|
| both work the 1st time because niether of those URLs is requireing an
| already existing cookie on our end.
|
| If you already have a saved cookie .... http://www.bluebottle.com/
| works the 1st time.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 149) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 6:18:39 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Thanks, glennmcc,  I was going to try using the second URL as you
| suggest but never did.   I was just checking if it was I that 
| was doing something wrong.  I actually never paid any attention
| to the fact that the second URL starts with "mail". I always
| looked at the other end of the URL. So, it is just one of there
| security tricks. If they cannot identify you as legitimate by
| their cookie then they require a login. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 150) Mon, Jul 17, 2006 - 7:49:17 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As gregy would say.... prezackly <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 151) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 7:30:46 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....Eric...Ray....thanks for the "smoke tests"....<g g g>
| ...
| Glenn...you "prezackly" diagnosed the problem (which I didn't mention
| as I didn't wanna bias the tests).....
| ...
| And...that CTRL/ENTER works as advertised....<g g g>....but, then, it
| always did....from the first day you issued it....<g g g>
| ...
| You know, I forgot about that little "extra"....and I never considered
| it applicable for this "Show all messages" aborts....just was thinking
| of other application when I originally suggested it...
| ...
| FMI...how did you "suspose" that that would work to fix a problem that
| I never even mentioned.....?????
| ...
| <g g g g g>
| ESP, or sumpin, I guess......<g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 152) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 4:45:15 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/9293/midi/twilight_zone.wav
|
| <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 153) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 7:23:35 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| or perhaps it is....
|
| http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/9293/midi/outerlimits.au
|
| <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 154) Tue, Jul 18, 2006 - 7:25:59 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| hehehehe !!!!
|
| http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/9293/midi/austinmeetsp.wav
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 155) Wed, Jul 19, 2006 - 2:47:18 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc, What did I do?  I started to download "outerlimits.au"
| from your link above then aborted the download. Now when I try to
| download it I get error messages because I have no soundblaster
| on this computer and it is trying to play it. The other two
| links download just fine. What's going on?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 156) Wed, Jul 19, 2006 - 4:32:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Chances are you have a partial download of it in your cache.
|
| Delete the nnnnnnnn.au file from your cache and try again.
|
| If you want to save it to disk instead of auto-playing it.....
|
| comment-out this line in mime.cfg by placeing a ';' at the start
|
| audio/basic              AU|$eplany.exe $1
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 157) Wed, Jul 19, 2006 - 6:34:54 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   You got it again, (hear Twilight Zone music in background)!
| There was an extremely small AU file (22 bytes) in the cache.
| You know, I did look for that file before but somehow I missed it.
| But now, thanks to your explanation, I now know something new. <gggg>
|
| Re: Sitka spruce - It was hard to find 50yrs. ago. I would guess
| there may be a few trees left up around Ray, probably in protected
| areas. That 1x12 of clear spruce, not one knot, 18 feet long was
| one beautiful piece of wood.   
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 158) Wed, Jul 19, 2006 - 10:31:40 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| 3 months, 3 days, 5002 hits
|
| ar190 5002 (since Apr 17, 2006)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 159) Wed, Jul 19, 2006 - 10:34:41 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| 5002 / 94 = 53.21 per day == 1 hit every 27 min
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 160) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 9:53:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| The WWII Mosquito fighter-bomber was made of Sitka -- lighter than
| aluminum for the same strength and no fatigue problems. Old growth
| Sitka spruce is God's 'space age polimer composite'. Tho I've heard
| it said that the now long-gone old growth eastern white pine was
| just as good.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 161) Thu, Jul 20, 2006 - 9:54:45 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, I forgot:
|
| Who *are* these people?
|
| ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 162) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 6:18:59 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,  I think you'll find that spruce is much tougher than white
| pine. Now, yellow pine is another story.  Spruce is more flexible
| and is still quite light which is probably one of the reasons
| it was/is used in airplanes.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 163) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 6:54:13 am 
|
| ray>
| Yeah, could be, I've never used white pine, just passing on something
| I heard.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 164) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 8:25:15 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   According to many links from Google, White pine is 
| sometimes used in airplane construction because it is less
| expensive and easier to get...however...it is not as strong
| for a given weight and size as Sitka spruce. Based on the
| googled links it is very hard, if not impossible, to get a piece
| of Sitka spruce like I used for my kayak because there are no
| longer any havestable Sitka spruce big enough. One reference
| said it is rare to find a piece longer than 14ft or wider than
| 6in. of aircraft quality. They said it takes 400 yrs. to grow
| the kind of trees that were available when Sitka spruce was 
| made popular for aircraft building. They were 200ft. tall with
| trunks 8ft. in dia.   It only grows in the northwest part the
| North America continent close to the ocean and was named after
| Sitka, Alaska. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 165) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 9:01:18 am 
|
| Eric>
| Back in the 1940's, post WWII, when I was out in BC, CA,
| The logging trucks were hauling logs so big in dia. that
| they only had 2-3 logs in a loaded trailer and I think 
| I remember trailers with only a single log on them.
| Those suckers were really big.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 166) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 11:38:53 am 
|
| Jake>
| I think the Mosquito was built from balsa and birch ply. I remember
| reading recommendations to saw up floorboards and furniture for decent
| timber for homebuilt projects. A less-good alternative to Sitka is
| Piranha pine. It's stiffness with adequate strength that Nature's
| composite provides for low-weight structures.
|
| Hey-ho, sitka is mentioned here: http://www.constable.ca/mosquito.htm
| (but no mention of walnut for the hardpoints).
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  167) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 11:40:15 am 
|
| Jake>
| Post-WWII, many Mossies were sold to Israel's air force.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  168) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 4:23:41 pm 
|
| ray>
| Thanks for that Jake, ok so only the wing spar was made of Sitka, but
| then that's the most important piece of any aircraft :-) BTW birch
| plywood was used in some early German airships by a company that
| at one time rivaled Zeppelin; the resulting griders had about twice
| the specific performance of comparable aluminum girders but 
| they were abandoned due to the fact that the ships of the time
| had water leakage problems, so the plywoood griders tended to weaken and
| even rot.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 169) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 4:41:45 pm 
| URL
|
| Eric>
| Jake,   Here's a good link on aircraft wood.  It mentioned some
| other European woods that were used for airplane construction.
|
| http://www.sportair.org/articles/3Aircraft%20Wood%20-%20Part%20One.html
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 170) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 5:05:10 pm 
| URL
|
| Eric>
| I don't think waterproof plywood was even comercially
| available until around WWII. The glue is the main problem.
| Glue makes plywood heavy and there were few, if any, really
| available waterproof glues prior to WWII. Even the marine
| glue that I used for my boat building back in the 50's 
| didn't claim "waterproof". And if rot organisms once get
| going in a piece of plywood it's almost impossible to stop
| the rot because it follows the glue interface.  I have had
| experience with that in my boats. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 171) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 6:12:42 pm 
|
| Eric>
| That Mosquito must have used some pretty tough woods and
| probably some plywood to support those 2 big 1600+ hp. engines
| and the landing gear. The wingspan was 54 ft. so the main spars
| in the wings must have been some fantastic pieces of wood.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 172) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 6:23:34 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Interesting that they used balsa plywood as a skin. I was
| wondering what the skin was.  It would seem not much protection
| from bullets.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 173) Fri, Jul 21, 2006 - 7:46:04 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   The "forward" and "reply" email functions no longer
| give me error messages with Erichne 1.90:B7:7r (latest core). <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 174) Sat, Jul 22, 2006 - 3:28:34 am 
|
| Jake>
| Balsa was the equivalent to a foam core in a synthetic composite,
| with the ply as the skins, equivalent to glass fibre or carbon fibre.
| Balsa is used in aircraft floors, sandwiched by alu skins. As for bullets,
| the Mosquito was too fast to be hit (often). On landing, the tailwheel
| could drag the aircraft and the crew would break their backs over the spar
| which was just ahead of their stomachs :-(
|
| A Mossie pilot from my village was killed on 23rd Dec, 1944, aged 36, flying
| pathfinder mission over Germany. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 175) Sat, Jul 22, 2006 - 3:35:19 am 
|
| Jake>
| There are some very readable books by J E Gordon on structures and
| materials. He argues that WWII bombers should have been built lighter
| for more speed even at the expense of high levels of structural integrity.
| I forget whether it was the Mosquito or the Lancaster which had its only
| piece of armoured plate behind the pilot's head.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  176) Sat, Jul 22, 2006 - 5:37:37 am 
|
| Eric>
| Jake,  Most of my knowledge of airplane construction is from
| building flying model airplanes since I was about 9 yrs. old.
| I figured they were probably using balsa as you describe mostly
| for non-structural uses. Re. landing....landing gear is always
| a problem....strength vs. weight.  You'll notice that gliders
| and ultra lights usually have minimal to no landing gear. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 177) Sun, Jul 23, 2006 - 6:04:02 am 
|
| Eric>
| Re: file:delmail1.dgi
| Ray,  As I navigate thru Arachne mail functions I seem to
| frequently get the above address in my URL box but the
| page is blank gray.  If I press F4 to see the source there
| is only one line saying something like: "Generated by WWWMAN...."
| and nothing else.  Do you experience anything like this?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 178) Sun, Jul 23, 2006 - 6:09:42 am 
|
| Eric>
| Correction:    should be: file://delmail1.dgi  ...... and .... 
|
| <!-- Generated by Insight 4.5;ML; farcoreleft=64256-->
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 179) Sun, Jul 23, 2006 - 8:13:46 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yeah, I get that too, it's related to the 'goback' problem. Last time
| I played with it, 'delmail1.dgi' it seems could not be added to my
| list of exclusions from the goback queue because for some reason, 
| at times 'delmail1.dgi' seemed to contain some usefull page or other,
| I never did figure it out, anyway, once I get back to doing some
| useful Arachne work after the summer (too busy having fun right now)
| I think I'll convert to Glenn's system which, as far as I know, only
| has the disadvantage of restricting some pages/dgi's from being used
| as the startup page -- but there is a way around that in any case.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 180) Sun, Jul 23, 2006 - 8:17:55 pm 
|
| ray>
| Here's my exclusions right now:
|
|
|
|
| // { MOVE FORWARD OR BACKWARD: ===========================================  
|                                                                             
| // RAY: 05-05-24: Pass over these when moving forward or back in history.   
| // Costs 160 bytes. See also protocol.c L.584.                              
| static int near sTestLink DeF (char *link)                                  
| {                                                                           
| FUNCNORM                                                                    
|   if(strstr(link, "smtp:")                                                  
|    || strstr(link, "pop3:")                                                 
|    || strstr(link, "mailto:") // Compose mail                               
|    || strstr(link, "reply.")  // reply.dgi == 'mailto:' in history list.    
|    || strstr(link, "resend.") // resend.dgi                                 
|    || strstr(link, "forward.")                                              
| //   || strstr(link, ".dgi")  // NO! Need inbox.dgi, outbox.dgi etc.        
|    || strstr(link, ".ah")                                                   
|     )                                                                       
|     return 1;                                                               
|   return 0;                                                                 
| }                                                                           
| // RAY: 04-04-23: Move from misc.c. Used here and in protocol.c             
| char GoBack DeF (void)                                                      
| {                                                                           
|   char *link = NULL;                                                        
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 181) Tue, Jul 25, 2006 - 6:57:56 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Is that updated 1.90 core going to behave differently
| than my current 1.90 core ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 182) Tue, Jul 25, 2006 - 8:01:35 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, here's what I do to get that "delmail1.dgi" blank page:
|
| 1. I'm in my INBOX reading and deleting/trashing mail.
| 2. I ALT-E
| 3. I switch to my arachne.cfg for my other mail provider.
| 4. I EXIT back to Arachne
| 5. And there I have delmail1.dgi blank gray page.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 183) Tue, Jul 25, 2006 - 8:07:20 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I just tried it again...if I just TRASH an email then
| ALT-E then EXIT return to Arachne then I get "delmail1.dgi" 
| blank page.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 184) Tue, Jul 25, 2006 - 8:14:30 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray, it seems I have to TRASH the last email in the inbox
| before I will get the "delmail1.dgi" blank page.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 185) Tue, Jul 25, 2006 - 4:38:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The updated core.exe v1.90;JG,r1 simply uses the newer library files.
|
| hixlov.lib (the graphics library), has support for a wider range of vid card
|
| wattcplg.lib has thwe DNS problem fixed.
|
| In all other respects there is no change.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 186) Tue, Jul 25, 2006 - 9:27:21 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Yeah, that's about the size of it, with 'delmail1.dgi' *not*
| excluded from the goback list, if you trash something (which 
| calls 'delmail1.dgi') then it's first on the list of previous pages
| and reloads itself even though there's nothing to see 'cause the
| mail has been deleted now if I could just remember why I couldn't
| exclude it ... never mind, I'll be switching to Glenn's system
| when I have some time, it should be a bit better behaved.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 187) Wed, Jul 26, 2006 - 5:41:41 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    I think glennmcc's system behaves the same way. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 188) Wed, Jul 26, 2006 - 7:05:28 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| That's becuase my system only works to the 100% level in my own compiles.
|
| The section of my code for delmail does not get compiled into the
| release version.
|
| BRB
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 189) Wed, Jul 26, 2006 - 7:12:20 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| --- in urlstat.c ---
| //!!glennmcc: Jan 05, 2005 -- do not add smtp: or pop3: into history.lst
| //!!glennmcc: Apr 08, 2005 -- still add them via the send button or get butt
| //when currently offline and dialing must be done before sending or receivin
|   if ((strstr(URL,"smtp:")&&strlen(URL)!=10) ||
|       (strstr(URL,"pop3:")&&strlen(URL)!=11) ||
| //!!glennmcc: Sep 09, 2005 -- also don't add textedit.ah
|       strstr(URL,"textedit.ah"))
|     return;
| //!!glennmcc: end
|
|
| That 1st section gets used in all compiles.
|
| This 2nd section doesn not get used in the 'public release compile' (NOKEY)
|
| //!!glennmcc: Jan 13, 2005 -- also don't add the some of the mail .DGIs
| #ifndef NOKEY
|   if (strstr(URL,"//movemail") || strstr(URL,"//delmail") ||
|       strstr(URL,"emptytrash.dgi"))
|     return;
| #endif
| //!!glennmcc: end
| ____________________________________________________________________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 190) Wed, Jul 26, 2006 - 11:07:15 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| You've got mail @JUNO ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 191) Wed, Jul 26, 2006 - 12:16:12 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I'm not complaining but in #189 above I think
| "add the some" should be "add the sum" .....that looks like
| some of my handiwork...<ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 192) Wed, Jul 26, 2006 - 1:17:29 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Actually it _should_ say.... also don't add some of the mail .DGIs
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 193) Wed, Jul 26, 2006 - 8:55:08 pm 
|
| ray>
| Thanks for that quote, saves me digging it up. Once my bike is back
| together I'll get to work and convert to your system.
| BTW it would be easy to make this whole thing user configurable, we
| could have config values 'Exclude1' ... 'Exclude10' or however many
| were wanted I wonder how much variation in the list would occur; if
| a lot then it should be done, else just build it in.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 194) Wed, Jul 26, 2006 - 8:59:58 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW#2 why on earth is it that .dgi's are officialy considered to
| be 'files'? They are not files, are they? They are calls to 
| commands in mime.cfg. Seems retarded to me to have them
| in the same catagory, protocol wise, as real files, bugs the
| hell out of me.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 195) Wed, Jul 26, 2006 - 9:35:02 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Soooooooooooo......... what protocol _should_ they be in ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 196) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 1:59:12 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Don't call that a "bike"....that's a motorized
| V'hicle! ... I have a bike upstairs and that's a ten speed,
| pedal powered, two wheeled V'hicle. <ggg>  With gas prices
| the way they are...if motorcycles weren't an accident waiting
| to happen, I'd have one myself!  I have a big Harley dealership
| just 1/2 mi. down the road from me so I see a lot of those big
| hogs rolling down the street. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 197) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 10:00:35 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Why does your Arachne now use Altavista when
| one types in URL: define: ????????
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 198) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 12:12:45 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Is it just me or is TRASH messed up?  When
| I'm reading an email and then click on TRASH at the
| top....the email doesn't disappear and the "? of ??"
| doesn't change. But, if I then click on the FORWARD
| button then everything updates and the trashed email
| is gone.  Using Arachne v1.91,GPL,386+ ...Eric version.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 199) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 4:42:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Just now testing with v1.91 (Eric)
|
| define:some word
|
| Works fine and takes me to.......
|
| http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?some%20word
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 200) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 4:44:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Just now tested the trash button.
|
| All 22 messages moved from inbox to trash with the next one in-line
| being displayed as each one got moved.
|
| Everything working fine there too.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 201) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 4:45:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Which arachne.bat are you using ?
|
| Ray's or the original ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 202) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 4:47:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| And are these your delmail lines in mime.cfg ?
|
| file/delmail1.dgi     >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -2 -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
| file/delmail2.dgi     >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -d -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 203) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 6:23:56 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    The mime.cfg is correct and I'm using the original
| arachne.bat ... but ... I may have screwed something up in the
| arachne.tmp directory.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 204) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 6:31:28 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Now that's strange...I put in "define:fundament"
| just now and got Merriam Webster ... before I got Altavista.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 205) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 9:44:09 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| "dgi:// ..." of course ;-)
|
| dgi's are totaly different things from files, 
| and they merit their own protocol type. It confused me for
| years, I used to try to find 'files' like 'inbox.dgi' etc. 
| DUMB. Also, it would be fundamentaly good organization, since
| dgi's tend to be 'active' and thus should, as a group, be
| filtered out of the history/goback queue, don't you think?
| As policy, I'd say the history list should be about 'places' not
| about 'actions'.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 206) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 9:49:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK then, but.................
|
| We would need to change all of these in mime.cfg
|
|
| ---------- h:mime.cfg
| file/acdir1.dgi     >HTM|[40]acomm.com $1 > $2
| file/acdir2.dgi     >HTM|[40]acomm.com $1 > $2
| file/acomm.dgi      >HTM|[40]acomm.com $1 > $2
| file/lynx.dgi |@call $edoslynx.bat $s
| file/savefile.dgi >txt|if exist $s goto ne\ncopy /b $l $S>$2\ngoto
| end\n:ne\necho "file exists">$2\necho "try a new name">>$2\n:end
| file/dir.dgi         >htm|dir $klastdir \|$esystem\\dgi\\fixmem.com dir>$2
| file/font8x14.dgi  >HTM|copy /b $esystem\\8x14\\$kfont8x14 $esystem\\8x14.fn
| \ncopy /b $ealt-font.htm $2
| file/propfont.dgi  >HTM|copy /b $esystem\\$kpropfont $esystem\\*.fnt \ncore.
| -f \ncopy /b $ealt-font.htm $2
| file/saveaszbm.dgi |zip -9 -j $s $l\n ren $s *.zbm
| file/bmp2zbm.dgi   >TXT|zip -m -j $s _4prt.bmp|del _4prt.bmp \n if exist $s
| echo file has been converted to $s>$2
| file/export.dgi    >TXT|copy /b _4prt.txt $s>NUL |del _4prt.txt \n if exist 
| echo file has been saved to $s>$2
| file/exportps.dgi  >TXT|copy /b _4prt.ps $s>NUL |del _4prt.ps \n if exist $s
| echo file has been saved to $s>$2
| file/exportbmp.dgi >TXT|copy /b _4prt.bmp $s>NUL |del _4prt.bmp \n if exist 
| echo file has been saved to $s>$2
| ;file/bmp2jpg.dgi     |[100]cjpeg -q 95 _4prt.bmp \n del _4prt.bmp
| file/bmp2jpg.dgi   >TXT|cjpeg -q 95 _4prt.bmp|copy _4prt.jpg $s|del
| _4prt.bmp|del _4prt.jpg \n if exist $s echo file has been converted to 
| file/printprn.dgi    |[100]TYPE _*.txt>PRN\ntype formfeed>prn
| file/printbmp.dgi    |[100]g:\\graphics\\printgfd\\printgfd.exe _4prt.bmp /x
| file/printjpg.dgi    |[100]g:\\graphics\\printgfd\\printgfd.exe _4prt.jpg /x
| ;file/txedit.dgi   |@call xedit $l
| ;file/mxedit.dgi   |@call xedit mail.tmp
| ;file/cmpsxedit.dgi |@call xedit textarea.txt
| ;file/cxedit.dgi   |@call xedit textarea.tmp
| ;file/xxedit.dgi   |@del textarea.tmp
| ;file/xedit.dgi    |@call xedit $l|arachne $l
| file/mxedit.dgi   |@call xedit.bat textarea.tmp
| file/txedit.dgi   |@call xedit.bat $l
| file/qxedit.dgi   |@call xedit.bat quickpad.txt
| file/exportbmp.dgi      |[100]COPY /b _4prt.bmp $w$s>NUL \n del _4prt.bmp
| file/edithelp.dgi >htm|copy textarea.tmp mail.tmp|copy edithelp.htm $2
| file/dgst2cnm.dgi |@call d2c.bat $e_4prt.txt $s
| file/xtgold.dgi          |@c:\\xtgold4\\xtgold.com
| file/cacheindex.dgi  >HTM|[110]$ewwwman.exe -c $c>$2
| file/history.dgi     >HTM|[110]$ewwwman.exe -h $h>$2
| file/wwwmanset.dgi   >HTM|[110]$ewwwman.exe -s $S>$2
| file/galery.dgi      >HTM|[110]$ewwwman.exe -g $S>$2
| file/playlist.dgi    >ASF|$ewwwman.exe -p $S>$2
| file/inbox.dgi       >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -i $M*.cnm -cache=$t>$2
| file/outbox.dgi      >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -i $M*.tbs -cache=$t>$2
| file/readmail.dgi    >HTM|[115]$einsight.exe -folders $M*.* -cache=$t>$2
| file/sentmail.dgi    >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -i $M*.snt -cache=$t>$2
| file/trashfolder.dgi >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -i $Mtrash\\*.mes -cache=$t>$2
| file/reply.dgi       >HTM|[115]$einsight.exe -r -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
| file/resend.dgi      >HTM|[115]$einsight.exe -e -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
| file/forward.dgi     >HTM|[115]$einsight.exe -f -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
| file/movemail1.dgi   >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -1 -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
| file/movemail2.dgi   >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -2 -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
| ;people who don't like TRASH folder can copy delmail1.dgi as delmail2.dgi ..
| file/delmail1.dgi     >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -2 -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
| file/delmail2.dgi     >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -d -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
| file/emptytrash.dgi >HTM|if exist $Mtrash\\*.mes del
| $Mtrash\\*.mes\n$einsight.exe -i $Mtrash\\*.mes -cache=$t>$2
| file/test.dgi        >TXT|[100]COPY $q $2>NUL
| file/echo.dgi        >TXT|[100]ECHO $s>$2
| file/mem.dgi         >HTM|mem|$esystem\\dgi\\fixmem.com>$2
| file/memc.dgi        >HTM|mem /C|$esystem\\dgi\\fixmem.com /C>$2 \n type
| memcore.txt>>$2
| file/memcore.dgi        >HTM|[10]mem /C|$esystem\\dgi\\fixmem.com /C>$2
| file/wizard.dgi      >HTM|@$esystem\\dgi\\wizard.exe $2
| file/wizardm.dgi     >HTM|$esystem\\dgi\\wizard.exe -m $2
| file/pktchk.dgi      >HTM|@set PKT=y\n$esystem\\pktdrvrs\\pktchk.com 0x60\ni
| errorlevel 1 set PKT=n\ntype $esystem\\gui\\etherwz%%PKT%%.ah
| file/reboot.dgi      |@echo Please stand by while restarting the system...\n
| lock\n$esystem\\dgi\\reboot.com
| file/grep.dgi        >TXT|FIND "$s" *.htm /S>$2
| file/pktstat.dgi     >TXT|[100]$esystem\\pktdrvrs\\pktstat.com>$2
| file/dosshell.dgi    |@call $esystem\\dgi\\dosshell.bat $e
| file/clearcache.dgi |[70]call $esystem\\dgi\\clr.bat $c $a $t $kDelHistory $
| ;file/clearcache.dgi  |call $esystem\\dgi\\clr.bat $c $a $t
| file/clearhtml.dgi   |[100]if exist $a*.htm del $a*.htm\nif exist
| $aheaders\\*.htt del $aheaders\\*.htt
| file/printprn.dgi    |[100]type _4prt.txt>PRN
| file/printcom.dgi    |print /d:prn\n print _4prt.txt
| ;file/psprintprn.dgi  |[100]type _4prt.ps>PRN
| ;file/psprintcom.dgi  |print /d:prn _4prt.ps
| file/exportbmp.dgi   |[100]COPY _4prt.bmp $s>NUL
| file/apm.dgi         >HTM|[100]copy $eapm.htp+$esystem\\apm.db\\*.htm $2>NUL
| file/edithotlist.dgi  >HTM|$esystem\\dgi\\hotlsman.exe $s>$2
| file/makehotlist.dgi  >HTM|$esystem\\dgi\\hotlsman.exe -q $q>$2
| file/hotlistmgr.dgi   >HTM|$esystem\\dgi\\hotlsman.exe $b>$2
| file/autoexecwiz.dgi   >HTM|[200]$esystem\\dgi\\cfgwiz.exe edit $s >$2
| file/saveautoexec.dgi  >HTM|[200]$esystem\\dgi\\cfgwiz.exe ok $q>$2
| file/changeconfig.dgi  >HTM|[200]$esystem\\dgi\\cfgwiz.exe change $s >$2
| file/cfgwiz.dgi        >HTM|[200]$esystem\\dgi\\cfgwiz.exe detect >$2
| file/setup_os.dgi      >HTM|@$esystem\\dgi\\cfgwiz.exe profile >$2
| file/changeprofile.dgi |COPY $s ARACHNE.CFG>NUL\nif exist lock del
| lock\narachne.bat file://cfgwiz.dgi
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 207) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 9:50:20 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| They would no-longer be 'file/' but rather 'dgi/'
|
|
| ---------- h:mime.cfg
| dgi/acdir1.dgi     >HTM|[40]acomm.com $1 > $2
| dgi/acdir2.dgi     >HTM|[40]acomm.com $1 > $2
| dgi/acomm.dgi      >HTM|[40]acomm.com $1 > $2
| dgi/lynx.dgi |@call $edoslynx.bat $s
| dgi/savefile.dgi >txt|if exist $s goto ne\ncopy /b $l $S>$2\ngoto
| end\n:ne\necho "file exists">$2\necho "try a new name">>$2\n:end
| dgi/dir.dgi         >htm|dir $klastdir \|$esystem\\dgi\\fixmem.com dir>$2
| dgi/font8x14.dgi  >HTM|copy /b $esystem\\8x14\\$kfont8x14 $esystem\\8x14.fnt
| \ncopy /b $ealt-font.htm $2
| dgi/propfont.dgi  >HTM|copy /b $esystem\\$kpropfont $esystem\\*.fnt \ncore.e
| -f \ncopy /b $ealt-font.htm $2
| dgi/saveaszbm.dgi |zip -9 -j $s $l\n ren $s *.zbm
| dgi/bmp2zbm.dgi   >TXT|zip -m -j $s _4prt.bmp|del _4prt.bmp \n if exist $s e
| file has been converted to $s>$2
| dgi/export.dgi    >TXT|copy /b _4prt.txt $s>NUL |del _4prt.txt \n if exist $
| echo file has been saved to $s>$2
| dgi/exportps.dgi  >TXT|copy /b _4prt.ps $s>NUL |del _4prt.ps \n if exist $s
| echo file has been saved to $s>$2
| dgi/exportbmp.dgi >TXT|copy /b _4prt.bmp $s>NUL |del _4prt.bmp \n if exist $
| echo file has been saved to $s>$2
| ;dgi/bmp2jpg.dgi     |[100]cjpeg -q 95 _4prt.bmp \n del _4prt.bmp
| dgi/bmp2jpg.dgi   >TXT|cjpeg -q 95 _4prt.bmp|copy _4prt.jpg $s|del
| _4prt.bmp|del _4prt.jpg \n if exist $s echo file has been converted to 
| dgi/printprn.dgi    |[100]TYPE _*.txt>PRN\ntype formfeed>prn
| dgi/printbmp.dgi    |[100]g:\\graphics\\printgfd\\printgfd.exe _4prt.bmp /x
| dgi/printjpg.dgi    |[100]g:\\graphics\\printgfd\\printgfd.exe _4prt.jpg /x
| ;dgi/txedit.dgi   |@call xedit $l
| ;dgi/mxedit.dgi   |@call xedit mail.tmp
| ;dgi/cmpsxedit.dgi |@call xedit textarea.txt
| ;dgi/cxedit.dgi   |@call xedit textarea.tmp
| ;dgi/xxedit.dgi   |@del textarea.tmp
| ;dgi/xedit.dgi    |@call xedit $l|arachne $l
| dgi/mxedit.dgi   |@call xedit.bat textarea.tmp
| dgi/txedit.dgi   |@call xedit.bat $l
| dgi/qxedit.dgi   |@call xedit.bat quickpad.txt
| dgi/exportbmp.dgi      |[100]COPY /b _4prt.bmp $w$s>NUL \n del _4prt.bmp
| dgi/edithelp.dgi >htm|copy textarea.tmp mail.tmp|copy edithelp.htm $2
| dgi/dgst2cnm.dgi |@call d2c.bat $e_4prt.txt $s
| dgi/xtgold.dgi          |@c:\\xtgold4\\xtgold.com
| dgi/cacheindex.dgi  >HTM|[110]$ewwwman.exe -c $c>$2
| dgi/history.dgi     >HTM|[110]$ewwwman.exe -h $h>$2
| dgi/wwwmanset.dgi   >HTM|[110]$ewwwman.exe -s $S>$2
| dgi/galery.dgi      >HTM|[110]$ewwwman.exe -g $S>$2
| dgi/playlist.dgi    >ASF|$ewwwman.exe -p $S>$2
| dgi/inbox.dgi       >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -i $M*.cnm -cache=$t>$2
| dgi/outbox.dgi      >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -i $M*.tbs -cache=$t>$2
| dgi/readmail.dgi    >HTM|[115]$einsight.exe -folders $M*.* -cache=$t>$2
| dgi/sentmail.dgi    >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -i $M*.snt -cache=$t>$2
| dgi/trashfolder.dgi >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -i $Mtrash\\*.mes -cache=$t>$2
| dgi/reply.dgi       >HTM|[115]$einsight.exe -r -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
| dgi/resend.dgi      >HTM|[115]$einsight.exe -e -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
| dgi/forward.dgi     >HTM|[115]$einsight.exe -f -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
| dgi/movemail1.dgi   >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -1 -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
| dgi/movemail2.dgi   >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -2 -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
| ;people who don't like TRASH folder can copy delmail1.dgi as delmail2.dgi ..
| dgi/delmail1.dgi     >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -2 -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
| dgi/delmail2.dgi     >HTM|[130]$einsight.exe -d -q=$q -cache=$t>$2
| dgi/emptytrash.dgi >HTM|if exist $Mtrash\\*.mes del
| $Mtrash\\*.mes\n$einsight.exe -i $Mtrash\\*.mes -cache=$t>$2
| dgi/test.dgi        >TXT|[100]COPY $q $2>NUL
| dgi/echo.dgi        >TXT|[100]ECHO $s>$2
| dgi/mem.dgi         >HTM|mem|$esystem\\dgi\\fixmem.com>$2
| dgi/memc.dgi        >HTM|mem /C|$esystem\\dgi\\fixmem.com /C>$2 \n type
| memcore.txt>>$2
| dgi/memcore.dgi        >HTM|[10]mem /C|$esystem\\dgi\\fixmem.com /C>$2
| dgi/wizard.dgi      >HTM|@$esystem\\dgi\\wizard.exe $2
| dgi/wizardm.dgi     >HTM|$esystem\\dgi\\wizard.exe -m $2
| dgi/pktchk.dgi      >HTM|@set PKT=y\n$esystem\\pktdrvrs\\pktchk.com 0x60\nif
| errorlevel 1 set PKT=n\ntype $esystem\\gui\\etherwz%%PKT%%.ah
| dgi/reboot.dgi      |@echo Please stand by while restarting the system...\nd
| lock\n$esystem\\dgi\\reboot.com
| dgi/grep.dgi        >TXT|FIND "$s" *.htm /S>$2
| dgi/pktstat.dgi     >TXT|[100]$esystem\\pktdrvrs\\pktstat.com>$2
| dgi/dosshell.dgi    |@call $esystem\\dgi\\dosshell.bat $e
| dgi/clearcache.dgi |[70]call $esystem\\dgi\\clr.bat $c $a $t $kDelHistory $h
| ;dgi/clearcache.dgi  |call $esystem\\dgi\\clr.bat $c $a $t
| dgi/clearhtml.dgi   |[100]if exist $a*.htm del $a*.htm\nif exist
| $aheaders\\*.htt del $aheaders\\*.htt
| dgi/printprn.dgi    |[100]type _4prt.txt>PRN
| dgi/printcom.dgi    |print /d:prn\n print _4prt.txt
| ;dgi/psprintprn.dgi  |[100]type _4prt.ps>PRN
| ;dgi/psprintcom.dgi  |print /d:prn _4prt.ps
| dgi/exportbmp.dgi   |[100]COPY _4prt.bmp $s>NUL
| dgi/apm.dgi         >HTM|[100]copy $eapm.htp+$esystem\\apm.db\\*.htm $2>NUL
| dgi/edithotlist.dgi  >HTM|$esystem\\dgi\\hotlsman.exe $s>$2
| dgi/makehotlist.dgi  >HTM|$esystem\\dgi\\hotlsman.exe -q $q>$2
| dgi/hotlistmgr.dgi   >HTM|$esystem\\dgi\\hotlsman.exe $b>$2
| dgi/autoexecwiz.dgi   >HTM|[200]$esystem\\dgi\\cfgwiz.exe edit $s >$2
| dgi/saveautoexec.dgi  >HTM|[200]$esystem\\dgi\\cfgwiz.exe ok $q>$2
| dgi/changeconfig.dgi  >HTM|[200]$esystem\\dgi\\cfgwiz.exe change $s >$2
| dgi/cfgwiz.dgi        >HTM|[200]$esystem\\dgi\\cfgwiz.exe detect >$2
| dgi/setup_os.dgi      >HTM|@$esystem\\dgi\\cfgwiz.exe profile >$2
| dgi/changeprofile.dgi |COPY $s ARACHNE.CFG>NUL\nif exist lock del
| lock\narachne.bat file://cfgwiz.dgi
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 208) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 9:50:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Wanna' make the change ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 209) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 9:56:36 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The 'file' protocol is simply telling the browser that the URI in
| question is 'local' vs 'remote'
|
| file == local
|
| All other protocols == remote
| http:
| ftp:
| telnet:
| gopher:
| finger:
| pop3:
| smtp:
|
| The only exception is mail-to:
|
| mail-to: == launch email compose screen.
|
| And of-course there are the Psuedo protocols of arachne:something
| which 'launch' some Arachne-specific action.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 210) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 10:06:44 pm 
|
| ray>
| nice analysis. So we just have 'file' as what it is -- a local 
| file, and 'dgi' as what it is -- a local command. Now riddle me this:
| do we even need the prefix in mime.cfg? If I'm not mistaken, since
| they all begin with 'file' that word contains no information, and thus
| can be eliminated, any exceptions?
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 211) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 10:12:09 pm 
|
| ray>
| BTW, I've resisted doing anything in mime.cfg for compatablility
| reasons, but the fact is, that with my core the '[nnn]' is
| already obsolete, since it can easily be be changed to always
| try system() regardess, and to default to using rouras if that
| fails (which it already does)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 212) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 10:12:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| In addition...
|
| When we link to 'file://someaction.dgi' its corresponding line in mime.cfg
| creates a file on our HDD using the contents of that line in mime.cfg
|
| file/test.dgi >txt|echo This is a test.>$2
|
| file://test.dgi<enter> creates nnnnnnnn.txt in our cache whioch is a
| text file containing 'This is a test.'
|
| That text file is then displayed on our screen.
|
| The file $roura$.bat is created when we link to ...
|
| file:h:\arachne\dosshell.dgi
|
| via the button on utils.htm
|
| So no... the .DGI is not a file in and of itself, but linking to a .DGI
| has the result of createing a file in our cache dir or temp dir.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 213) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 10:14:41 pm 
|
| ray>
| Oh, and since I've got so much memory, there are only a very few
| lines in mime.cfg that can't execute internaly anyway, thus the
| whole '[nnn]' mechanism is about useless, tho the '@' must be
| kept to force a shell and text mode where user input is required, as
| with Telnet etc. (thanks' Bastiaan).
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 214) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 10:18:12 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmm, but is this a logical necessity? I think there are dgi's that
| don't create files no? Anyway, even if there are always such files,
| the proposed 'dgi://' protocol wouldn't work any different than now,
| it's just a more refined way of letting the user know what's going
| on.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 215) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 10:18:28 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| In most cases, I think you're right.
|
| [nnn] is probably not needed any more.
|
| As for file/something in mime.cfg
|
| Perhaps you're right on that one too.
|
| Deserves some consideration. ;-)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 216) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 10:23:24 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| --- in urlstat.c ---
|  else
|  if(!strcmpi(url->protocol,"mailto") ||
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"file") ||
| //!!ray: July 28, 2006 -- new 'DGI' protocol for all .DGI 'files'
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"dgi") ||
| //!!ray: end
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"reload") ||
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"find") ||
| //!!glennmcc: Feb 25, 2006 -- new 'define' function to get the
| // definition of a word or phrase via Webster's online dictionary
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"define") ||
| //!!glennmcc: end
| //    !strcmpi(url->protocol,"freq") ||
| //    !strcmpi(url->protocol,"fidonet") ||
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"arachne") ||
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"javascript") ||
|     !strcmpi(url->protocol,"gui"))
|  {
|   makestr(url->file,strptr,URLSIZE-1);
|   if(!strcmpi(url->protocol,"file")) isfile=1;
|  }
|  else
|  {
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 217) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 10:27:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oops, need one more change.
|
| //!!ray: July 28, 2006 -- new 'DGI' protocol for all .DGI 'files'
|   if(!strcmpi(url->protocol,"file") ||
|      !strcmpi(url->protocol,"dgi")
|     ) isfile=1;
| //!!ray: end
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 218) Thu, Jul 27, 2006 - 10:31:45 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Now change all links in all .HTM and .AH files from 
| <a href="file:somefile.dgi"> to read
| <a href="dgi:somefile.dgi">
|
| Also rewrite insight.exe and wwwman.exe to generate the new format.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 219) Fri, Jul 28, 2006 - 12:13:13 am 
|
| Eric>
| Heeeelllppppp !!!!!!! ..... I hear the bugs a'comin' ....
| here come the cicada !  <gggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 220) Sat, Jul 29, 2006 - 12:33:11 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Have you switched to Ray's system for hangup
| with version 1.91 ? .... it seems that way here.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 221) Sat, Jul 29, 2006 - 9:35:36 am 
|
| ray>
| Whoa there!
|
| Glenn, that's why, so far, I've just been brooding about that stuff --
| sooo many changes to make! Do we realy want to bite it off? As you
| demonstrate, it involves changes to the whole distribution, not just
| internal changes to core.exe. If you do think it's worth it, I 
| certainly won't do anything until it's part of a standard distribution
| so's I don't git myself any more compatability problems. 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 222) Sat, Jul 29, 2006 - 9:37:32 am 
|
| ray>
| However, if I'm right about the 'file://' start to mime.cfg lines,
| that could be eliminated quite easily as could the '[nnn]' however,
| I don't think you have enough free memory to do the latter safely.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 223) Sun, Jul 30, 2006 - 3:52:53 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ArachneDevelopment/message/2473?unwrap=1&var=0
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 224) Sun, Jul 30, 2006 - 10:32:52 pm 
|
| ray>
| Cool.
|
| BTW so I did some looking and no, 'file:/' isn't the only start to
| mime lines, but I can't figure out how the other beginnings are
| parsed or what they achieve; this is the only part of the mime/rours
| system I still don't understand.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 225) Mon, Jul 31, 2006 - 8:09:46 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| file/ is used specifically for all local items and FTP items.
|
| image/jpeg
| audio/wav
| text/plain
| text/html
| application/zip
|
| etc... etc... etc...
|
| All of those are linked to the content-type info
| contained in the header of a remote HTTP item.
|
| Link to a remote HTTP item and hit '=' after the D/L has completed
| to see which line in mime.cfg will be used.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 226) Mon, Jul 31, 2006 - 11:50:38 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Is "content type" the mime.cfg line that will be used?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 227) Mon, Jul 31, 2006 - 4:40:22 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep.... that's how it works for all remote objects other than FTP
|
| HTTP
| GOPHER
| FINGER
| FIND
| DEFINE
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 228) Mon, Jul 31, 2006 - 6:28:50 pm 
|
| Eric>
| What is this "finger" ? 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 229) Mon, Jul 31, 2006 - 6:50:53 pm 
|
| Eric>
| I found "finger" w/Google
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 230) Mon, Jul 31, 2006 - 9:56:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| It's over my head, better not touch it, except maybe for the [nnn]
| part.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 231) Tue, Aug 01, 2006 - 6:35:04 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  You never answered my post 220 ..... did you switch to
| Ray's method for hangup with this 1.91 core you sent me or did
| you just compile it that way for me? It seems to be using my
| external hangup file. <ggg> 
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 232) Tue, Aug 01, 2006 - 9:12:09 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Nope... no changes what-so-ever in the hangup code, it's exactly as it
| has been for many years.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 233) Tue, Aug 01, 2006 - 9:13:19 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Alt+H uses whatever is on this line in atrachne.cfg ....
|
| Hangup @command
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 234) Tue, Aug 01, 2006 - 9:17:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| When I switched to DSL via NIC, I commented-out the original line which
| ran termin.com to unload either epppd.exe or lsppp.exe
| and re-wrote the line to call unloadln.bat which unloads my NIC packet
| driver. (lne100tx.com)
|
| Hangup @call c:\1batch\unloadln.bat
| ;Hangup @termin.com 0x60>NUL
|
|
| -- contents of c:\1batch\unloadln.bat ---
| c:\lne100tx\lne100tx.com -u
| _________________________________________
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 235) Tue, Aug 01, 2006 - 9:23:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Just now used Alt+H and this is my undeleted $roura$.bat
|
| @call c:\1batch\unloadln.bat
| if exist PPP.LOG del PPP.LOG
| @arachne -c
| _____________________________
|
| And this is the undeleted $roura$.bat after using Alt+D to 'dial' with
| this line in arachne.cfg .....
|
| Dialer @call c:\1batch\loadlne.bat
| _____________________________________
|
| @call c:\1batch\loadlne.bat
| @if errorlevel 1 goto skip
| READY
| :skip
| @if exist IP-UP.BAT call IP-UP.BAT
| @echo PPPD status: IP address set to %MYIP%>>PPP.LOG
| @arachne.bat -r
| ________________________________________________________
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 236) Tue, Aug 01, 2006 - 11:24:51 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Thanks, but a simple no would have sufficed. <gggg>
| It was interesting to see your files, though. <gggg> 
| Seeing your stuff joggled my memory about how things work. <ggg>
| Right now I'm really bummed. <:-(  One of my hard drives just stopped
| working and I don't have a complete backup. I'm having a hard time
| remembering exactly how I had it setup. I think it was using drivespace
| and between the two HDDs in that machine, I had drives a-n. What a mess.
| It was a DOS 6.2 machine with a 365MB IDE and 600?MB SCSI. The Maxtor IDE
| stopped working. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 237) Wed, Aug 02, 2006 - 5:13:25 pm 
|
| ray>
| Dead disk blues eh Eric? That can always ruin your day but look on
| the bright side, now you can get a bigger disk and have room for
| the compiler ;-))))
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 238) Wed, Aug 02, 2006 - 5:31:27 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| Need a bigger disk ?
|
| Got an 8gig IDE sitting right here.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 239) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 1:41:55 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc, Will an 8 gig work with a standard 486 with DOS?  I forget
| the size limit.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 240) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 1:47:05 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  I probably don't need one that big but maximum
| size for 6.2 DOS without finageling(?sp) would be nice.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 241) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 2:34:09 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn, Ray, Eric...et al.....
| ...
| NEW OBSERVATION:
| Glenn...you know that "RunawayDownloadLoop" problem, for which you've
| hacked a fairly decent fix (but it still occurs and sometimes even
| still crashes Arachne)....???
| ...
| Well, doing a CTRL-ENTER "click" on any link, then "R", and that 
| runaway never, ever, happens...
| ...I suggest you guys check and verify my findings...but...I can't make
| it happen, ever, as long as I CTRL-ENTER "click" on all links, instead
| of LeftMouseButton "clicking" on links...
| ...
| If my findings are verified, this would mean that the original runaway
| was being caused by the "Arachne displaying before full download" effect
| ...which somehow interfers with the "R" or "ESC" or "(whatever)" key
| press we do before full download.....
| ...
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 242) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 4:47:47 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Already done it. :))
|
| The compiles CAV and I are now using do a BG download for all cklickable
| links now.
|
| To do it in your current version for just the enter key but not the left
| mouse button......
|
| Options/Prefs & Perf.....
|
| X Wait till D/L done to display (enter key only)
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 243) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 5:34:37 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Already got that Option "X"ed.....forgot about that....have been doing
| the CTRL-ENTER (when it, apparently is just an ENTER required, now)..
| ...
| I'll check that solitary ENTER "click" out....
| ...
| BRB
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 244) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 5:45:31 pm 
|
| gregy>
| yep...just plain "ENTER" works as advertised.....<g g g>
| ...
| Now, since "Download before displaying" was "my" idea.....and...since
| it now appears that the "RunawayDownloadLoop" problem is somehow tied
| up with the "DisplayBeforeCompleteDownload" activity....and...AND...
| ...
| since I see NO use for any "DisplayBeforeCompleteDownload" (although I
| wouldn't complain if that were a selectable Option)....
| ...the question is:
| ..
| Where do I get that CAV/YOU new compile (assuming it hasn't been twisted
| into other, more strange, directions)......?????
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 245) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 5:48:08 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Oh, and so far, I have check both CTRL-ENTER and ENTER out on all my
| usual suspect pages, and stopping d/l with "R" works instantly, without
| any (even the slightest) "runaway"...
| ...
| I'll keep using it religiously and note any exceptions back on here.
| ...
| ...but...so far....using that completely solves the
| "RunawayDownloadLoop" problem...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 246) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 5:55:43 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Yup....even where the bottom StatusLine shows (XXXX of XXXXXXXX) bytes
| ..(this is what I call a "delimited page")...pressing "R" to stop its
| download before completion oftentimes results in an imcomplete stop and
| weird "restarting".....only, with the "limit" on the page it doesn't
| run away (this is with a LMB click on a link).....but...BUT
| ...
| "clicking" the link with ENTER.....then "R" halting the download before
| completion results in an immediate, clean halt.....
| ...so....I'd say that further confirms my WAG that the original "Runaway
| DownloadLoop" problem is somehow tied into the
| "DisplayBeforeCompleteDownload" default behavior (prior to your dinking
| with it per my request/suggestion) of Arachne, since v.1.70r3.....
| ..
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 247) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 5:57:51 pm 
|
| gregy>
| so, again....where's the BEEF????....errm...I mean...Where's the new
| CAV/YOU compile...????
| ....
| <g g g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 248) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 6:19:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| They are excluseively for CAV and ME respectively.
|
| If you would like a 'Gregy compile' ... just leave the email address
| where you'de like it sent.
|
| BTW,
|
| The 'Eric compile' has this new feature already.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 249) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 6:26:29 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Sure...I just thought it would be easier to park it somewhere where I 
| could d/l it.....was the "Eric Compile" posted somewhere...???
| ...
| however....
|
| #hi-line.net
| ...
| jfeig
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 250) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 6:27:24 pm 
|
| gregy>
| oh, and thanks ahead of time......<g g g g>
| ...
| errrm....I assume that this will be a "drop-in replacement"....???
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 251) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 8:10:22 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Good to see you in harness again ;-) Finished horsing around with 
| loose Windows browsers for now eh ;-)
|
| Hey can you give me an example of this runaway stuff? I think my
| code doesn't have the problem anymore but I'd like to give it a
| checkup, TX.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 252) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 8:40:33 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Ray.....ah....it happens on any "undelimited" (see above explanation of
| my meaning of "delimited") page, when you press "R" to cancel the
| in-progress download of that page.  The download byte counter on the 
| bottom StatusBar breaks loose and starts winding up, and up, and up,
| until it causes a crash (I dis-remember the error message)..
| ...
| try:
| http://corner.nationalreview.com/
| ...
| and break the download anytime....you might see the effect right there.
| ...but...
| http://www.newsmax.com/ is undelimited, too....in fact, there are a
| whole lot of undelimited pages you can try it on...
| ...
| However....you need to be running one of the "standard" distributions
| so you can be sure you are susceptable ....
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 253) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 8:43:44 pm 
|
| gregy>
| ah...Ray.....that is blasphemy..!!!....<gg g>....
| ...
| I NEVER "horse around with loose windows browsers"....ever....the only
| time I use one is when I simply canNOT avoid it....
| ...
| Those times all involve HTTPS and javasjunk combinations on my bank's
| site...and only when I want to transfer funds from one account to
| another....and when I want to pay my bills online.....
| ...otherwise.....it's ALL Arachne plus Lynx....
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 254) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 8:45:15 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....you will please note that I posted a non-harvestable addy above
| for my email...where you can send that customized core....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 255) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 10:07:22 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Did you see my posts #239 & #240....they kinda got
| buried....<ggg>
|
| gregy,  You play with drives....you got any advice on getting
| data off my sick HDD?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 256) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 11:38:18 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| re: 8gig work on 486
|
| Hard to tell.
|
| If the BIOS has been updated to recognize 'big drives' ... yes.
|
| If not.... no.
|
| re: max size....
|
| Max size will depend upon your BIOS
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 257) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 11:39:39 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As for recovering the data from the sick drive.
|
| That depends upon just how sick it is. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 258) Thu, Aug 03, 2006 - 11:55:09 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Gregy,
|
| You've got mail. <ggg>
|
| Arachne v1.91;GPL,386+ (Gregy)
|
|
| Yep..... drop-in replacement for v1.90;JG
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 259) Fri, Aug 04, 2006 - 1:46:03 am 
|
| Jake>
| Large drives will work with an overlay e.g. OnTrack Disk Manager.
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  260) Fri, Aug 04, 2006 - 9:07:06 am 
|
| gregy>
| Jake...yup...my 486 worked with OnTrack, can't remember when I used it..
| ..but...it worked..
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 261) Fri, Aug 04, 2006 - 9:24:56 am 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....thank you, thank you...got it.....works as advertised...<g g g>
| ...
| ..and...you coders might want to ponder a bit about what I've just
| discovered....about the connection between that "DisplayBeforeComplete
| Download" behavior of the cores since 1.70r3 and the "RunawayDownload
| Loop" problem...
| ...
| With this new "DownloadCompletelyBeforeDisplay" behavior, I'm having
| exactly ZERO loop run aways....
| ...
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 262) Fri, Aug 04, 2006 - 5:38:38 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| I've always known that's how it works.
|
| That's where I had to put the original 'Quick-n-dirty fix'...
| right in the section of code that is being executed as the page is being
| rendered during the download.
|
| That's why waiting till the download is complete before beginning to
| render the page prevents the RDLC bug.
|
| That section of code never gets executed because it is bypassed
| all-together when the rendering gets done after the download is complete.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 263) Fri, Aug 04, 2006 - 8:21:56 pm 
|
| ray>
| And I'm still ok with that either way, somewhere I manged to fix
| that bug without even knowing it :-/
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 264) Fri, Aug 04, 2006 - 8:23:24 pm 
|
| ray>
| Gregy,
|
| Just pulling your leg, we all have to use the other brand sometimes.
| It's a bit anecdotal but as time goes on I find I have *less* need
| to use other browsers than before which is nice, one might have 
| expected the opposite.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 265) Sat, Aug 05, 2006 - 2:37:51 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc, BTW,  the TRASH button at the top of each email still
| doesn't work properly for me even after an new installation
| of ERIC1.91 ... The email being trashed does not disappear and 
| the "xx of xx emails" is not updated until one either calls
| the index or clicks on the "next email" button.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 266) Sat, Aug 05, 2006 - 3:35:31 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| RIAD Yes
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 267) Sat, Aug 05, 2006 - 4:40:03 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Reload Index After Delete
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 268) Sat, Aug 05, 2006 - 6:38:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric,
|
| She's partitioned, formated and read to send.
|
| Disk  Partitions  Cylinders  Heads  Sectors  Mbytes
|   1        9         1024     255      63    8032.5
|
| Partition  Status   Type     Volume Label   Mbytes   System   Usage
|  C:  1             PRI DOS                  1019.7  FAT16      13%
|      2             EXT DOS                  7004.9             87%
|  D:  3             LOG DOS                  1019.7  FAT16      13%
|  E:  4             LOG DOS                  1019.7  FAT16      13%
|  F:  5             LOG DOS                  1019.7  FAT16      13%
|  G:  6             LOG DOS                  1019.7  FAT16      13%
|  H:  7             LOG DOS                  1019.7  FAT16      13%
|  I:  8             LOG DOS                  1019.7  FAT16      13%
|  J:  9             LOG DOS                   886.4  FAT16      11%
|
|
| Now all I need is your snail-mail address.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 269) Sun, Aug 06, 2006 - 11:48:31 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,     You got e-mail! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 270) Sun, Aug 06, 2006 - 2:23:43 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Got it. :)
|
| Will send HDD via USPS tomorow morning. :))
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 271) Mon, Aug 07, 2006 - 8:51:23 pm 
|
| ray>
| He heeeee, just broke the 270K barrier -- 270,496 bytes free, 
| core.exe in mem -- 369,392 bytes.
| Faster too ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 272) Mon, Aug 07, 2006 - 9:28:11 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| CORE        422,176 (       412K )          67120  
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 273) Mon, Aug 07, 2006 - 9:54:46 pm 
|
| ray>
| Catch me if you can!
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 274) Tue, Aug 08, 2006 - 7:38:14 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    RIAD Yes .... It did not fix the problem.
| It always worked OK before!  When I delete the email it
| doesn't disappear and the next email doesn't load until
| I click the button for next email or if no more emails,
| until I click the button for index.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 275) Tue, Aug 08, 2006 - 9:40:32 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Isn't this the same problem you have had on occasion with my core too?
| I can't remember how we fixed it <;-) but if it has happened with both
| cores then seems to me it's something local to you, no?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 276) Wed, Aug 09, 2006 - 12:13:17 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   I don't ever remember having this problem before.
| That doesn't mean it's not local to me tho. <ggg>
| I just haven't changed anything that I know of and
| even after a reinstallation it still exists.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 277) Wed, Aug 09, 2006 - 7:21:17 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Well, I've tried everything I can think of to reproduce your
| problem with the trash button..... you've got me stumped. :(
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 278) Wed, Aug 09, 2006 - 1:08:46 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  All I can tell you is with a new install of 1.90JG-387
| everything is copesetic with the mail trashing. As you know
| the mail download (pop3) tends to abort randomly for me especially
| from Juno.  When I switch to ERIC0726.ZIP core then the mail
| download works better but the TRASH works just as I described
| above. All I do is switch cores...nothing else. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 279) Wed, Aug 09, 2006 - 1:18:13 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Thank you, I just received your drive package.
| I plugged it in and all tha my computer sees is 1 partition.
| If I set jumper for master my computer sees nothing. I have it
| set SINGLE.  Also, FDISK gives me some numbers that don't seem
| to make sense, so I think I need to re-partition it. However,
| it does seem to be working...more later.  Thanks again. <:-)
|  
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 280) Wed, Aug 09, 2006 - 8:55:41 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh, you are most welcome.
|
| Sure hope your BIOS is able to recognize it properly so that you
| can get full-use of that 8gig
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 281) Wed, Aug 09, 2006 - 8:57:25 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Might need to go into your BIOS and set the cylinders, heads, etc...
| manually so that it will be recognized properly.
|
| Try that 1st, before running Fdisk.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 282) Thu, Aug 10, 2006 - 3:50:19 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   The drive parameters are set and the whole drive
| is seen by FDISK ... but ... it doesn't see the logical drives
| in ext.DOS partion of 7005 MB and it says it only sees 440 KB
| available for ext.DOS partition. I also had to activate PRI DOS
| partition before c: drive was recognized. I don't know what you
| used for partitioning but there are some incompatiblilties 
| between different DOS and different partitioning programs.
| You know ... nothing is ever simple ! <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 283) Thu, Aug 10, 2006 - 5:49:12 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Used Fdisk and format from OpenDos v7.01
|
| What OS are you using ?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 284) Thu, Aug 10, 2006 - 7:46:22 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   m$6.0 or 6.2
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 285) Thu, Aug 10, 2006 - 8:20:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep... that's the problem.
|
| M$ is incompatible with 'real DOS' <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 286) Thu, Aug 10, 2006 - 8:30:32 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com:21/pub/drdos/OpenDOS.701/
|
| Do yourself a BIG favor and grab a copy of ...... DOD701.EXE
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 287) Fri, Aug 11, 2006 - 4:33:26 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   All my programs are written with Basica or GWBasic.
| I'm not sure they will work correctly if I switch to another
| brand of DOS. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 288) Fri, Aug 11, 2006 - 8:24:38 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| FYI,
|
| basica and gwbasic both run just fine under OpenDos v7.01
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 289) Fri, Aug 11, 2006 - 8:26:17 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| As do both Win3.1 and Win3.11 (wfwg)
| (even with Win32s add-ons)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 290) Fri, Aug 11, 2006 - 11:13:57 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc, For some reason I couldn't download the readme file...
| what do I do with DOD701.exe ? ... Put it in C: root and run it?
| Will it run OK from a MSDOS 6.0 Boot floppy?  I just had a
| thought, I had that drive compressed using DBLSPACE and that
| could cause some problems.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 291) Fri, Aug 11, 2006 - 6:08:34 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yes.... major problems :(
|
| You will need to backup all of your data before you do anything else.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 292) Fri, Aug 11, 2006 - 6:10:45 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| DOD701.exe is a self-extracting archive.
|
| It will expand into all of the files which make-up OpenDos v7.01 and
| will run the install program.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 293) Fri, Aug 11, 2006 - 7:21:00 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Correction....
| DOD701.EXE will expand into all of the 1.44mb diskette images.
|
| So, you'll need several formatted diskettes ready to go.
|
|
|
| -- README ---
|
| File: /pub/drdos/OpenDOS.701/README
| Created: 26-Feb-1998
| Updated: 30-Mar-1998
|
| This directory contains Caldera OpenDOS version 7.01. 
|
| README- This file
| license.txt  - Caldera OpenDOS End-User License agreement
| 12DOL701.EXE - OpenDOS Lite 7.01 1.2MB DOS Floppy disks set
| 12DOD701.EXE - OpenDOS 7.01 1.2MB DOS Floppy disks set
| 72DOL701.EXE - OpenDOS Lite 7.01 720K DOS Floppy disks set
| 72DOD701.EXE - OpenDOS 7.01 720K DOS Floppy disks set
| DOD701.EXE   - OpenDOS 7.01 1.44MB DOS Floppy disks set
| DODL701.EXE  - OpenDOS Lite 7.01 1.44MB DOS Floppy disks set
| OD701.EXE    - OpenDOS 7.01
| ODL701.EXE   - OpenDOS Lite 7.01
|
| The "Lite" version of OpenDOS does not include the NetWare Clients and
| complete Personal NetWare which is part of the non-Lite version.
|
| All the above are provided as-is, with no technical support as detailed
| in the license agreement. Problems should be emailed to the appropriate
| address as detailed in the readme files accompanying each product.
| ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 294) Fri, Aug 11, 2006 - 7:28:37 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| There ... I just expanded my copy by moving it to h:\temp and running it.
|
|
|  Volume in drive H is MCCORKLE_06
|  Directory of  H:\TEMP
|
| .            <DIR>     8-11-06  9:24p
| ..           <DIR>     8-11-06  9:24p
| DISK01   144  1474979 11-04-97  5:24p
| DISK02   144  1474979 11-04-97  5:24p
| DISK03   144  1474979 11-04-97  5:24p
| DISK04   144  1474979 11-04-97  5:24p
| DISK05   144  1474979 11-04-97  5:24p
| DISKCOPY COM    24566  5-05-97  7:01a
| DISKCOPY TXT      687  1-29-97  4:36p
|
|
| You'll need 5 diskettes.
|
| ---- diskcopy.txt ----
|
| How to build an OpenDOS diskette set using DISKCOPY
| ===================================================
|
| Diskette image files are provided in 1.44MB and 1.2MB formats.
|
| For each diskette image file run the DISKCOPY command, specifying 
| the filename followed by the destination drive as follows:
|
| DISKCOPY DISK01.144 A:
| DISKCOPY DISK02.144 A: 
| ... etc
|
| For OpenDOS Lite you will need three 3.5" 1.44MB diskettes or
| three 5.25" 1.2MB diskettes. For the full product you will need 
| five 1.44MB or six 1.2MB diskettes.
|
|
| Label the first diskette "Installation and Utilities 1". Label 
| subsequent diskettes "Utilities 2", "Utilities 3" etc.
|
| [Last Updated 29 Jan 97]
| --------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 295) Fri, Aug 11, 2006 - 7:35:04 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Once you've made all 5 disks and backed-up all of your data that's on
| your HDD....
|
| Reboot the machine with that 1st disk in drive A:
|
| Run OpenDos Fdisk and delete any existing partitions on the HDD and then
| recreate a new partition.
|
| Reboot the machine again using disk #1 of the OpenDos set and continue
| with the installation and setup.
|
| Remove the last disk and reboot the machine.
|
| She'll now boot OpenDos v7.01 from the HDD and you can copy your
| backed-up data from diskette back onto the HDD.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 296) Fri, Aug 11, 2006 - 8:28:55 pm 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Thanks. I did get the readme file later but your
| explanation is much better. Now I know what's going on and what
| is required.  I'll not be able to try it for a while. For one
| thing I have to get some floppies. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 297) Mon, Aug 14, 2006 - 9:22:36 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Arachne v1.90;J1 has been released.
| (all code changes made by Joe da Silva & Werner Scholz)
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 298) Mon, Aug 14, 2006 - 10:17:26 pm 
|
| gregy>
| Glenn....has this got the "special Glenn/Cav" (gregy) functions...I mean
| ...the "downloadbeforedisplay" compiled in to the LMBclick....???
| ...
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 299) Tue, Aug 15, 2006 - 4:25:34 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| You would have to ask Joe.
|
| As noted.....
| (all code changes made by Joe da Silva & Werner Scholz)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 300) Tue, Aug 15, 2006 - 4:31:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| But to save you the troble of asking... I just now tested it.
|
| Nope... not there for either <enter> nor for <left mouse> by default.
|
| 'EnterBGDL Yes' in Arachne.cfg does still work for the enter key only
| but does not work for <left mouse>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 301) Wed, Aug 16, 2006 - 12:32:24 am 
|
| gregy>
| Thank you.  Thank you...<g g g>.....so....for the present, I will have
| to stick with 191ggy......<g g g >
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 302) Sat, Aug 19, 2006 - 4:51:50 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Have you read "Welcome.htm" in A.1.90JG lately?
| Exactly what is a "DOS worsktation" ?  <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 303) Sat, Aug 19, 2006 - 3:14:11 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As far as I know.... You have the honor of being the first person
| to ever point-out that misspelling.
|
| I just now tracked it all the way back to v1.2b6 from Nov 1997.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 304) Sun, Aug 20, 2006 - 9:32:51 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Well, you're always complaining that no one ever
| reads the notes, help, etc., so.... I read something ! <ggg gg g>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 305) Sun, Aug 20, 2006 - 2:11:14 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| That misspelled word has been right there in welcome.htm which is
| attached to welcome.cnm in every inbox of every user for 9 years.
|
| In 9 years not one person has ever mentioned it.
|
| That proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that virtually no-one
| reads the included files.
|
| So, it's about damn time _somebody_ read something. <ggggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 306) Sun, Aug 20, 2006 - 2:15:06 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Oh and by-the-way..... 
|
| I deleted welcome.cnm before building the v1.90;J1 release package.
|
| So, it's not in the current release and will not be in any future releases.
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 307) Mon, Aug 21, 2006 - 2:58:54 am 
|
| gregy>
| oh..hoity, toi, toi.......!!!....<g>....well...I, for one, will ALWAYS
| unclude welcome.cnm in ALL my installs...ad infinitum, forever, and
| ever, amen......<g g g g g>
| ...
| Just because....!!!....<g g g>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 308) Mon, Aug 21, 2006 - 8:12:08 am 
|
| Eric>
| gregy,   So, in #307 above, is "unclude" one of your "hoity, toity"
| words or a typo for "include" ? <g gg ggg gggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 309) Tue, Aug 22, 2006 - 1:38:15 am 
|
| Jake>
| #305
|
| Typos are part of the charm and authenticity, just as Michael's (or his
| co-workers')
| graphics would never come from the brushed aluminum GUI skin so-hip school.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
|  310) Tue, Aug 22, 2006 - 9:21:12 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hey Eric,
|
| Wanta have a look at my alternate config setup system? It's much more
| 'direct' than the standard way, more Dossy IMHO, more powerful but
| less friendly and much easier to maintain.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 311) Tue, Aug 22, 2006 - 9:46:11 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,
| I don't know what you mean by "alternate config setup system".
| Of course, I'm interested but I don't promise to like it! <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 312) Wed, Aug 23, 2006 - 3:07:50 am 
|
| gregy>
| Jake...you're RIGHT...!!!   thanks for giving me a definitive "why"
| for continuing to "unclude" welcome.htm in my installs.....<g g g>
| ...
| Eric....hmmm...I'll come up with SOME neato definition for "unclude"
| ....just be patient.....<g g g g>
| ]
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 313) Wed, Aug 23, 2006 - 6:35:08 am 
|
| Eric>
| gregy,    Oh, I know what "unclude" means.... I just wanted to
| make sure you used the word you meant to... ie. that it wasn't
| a typo.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 314) Wed, Aug 23, 2006 - 6:09:12 pm 
|
| ray>
| Eric,
|
| Of course you don't have to like it, heck, though I'm always 
| pleased when you like something, fact is I learn more, and improve
| more, when you *don't* like stuff I do. What I'm working on is
| a replacement (or alternate) to the 'options' pages that lets you
| edit arachne.cfg directly but while having access to both config.log
| and keywords.txt so you can have both a direct line to what is
| happening at the moment, and some uselful help. Needs work but
| I like the general idea.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 315) Wed, Aug 23, 2006 - 7:49:52 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Ray,
|
| You'd better sit down before reading this.
|
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| Betcha never thought you'd EVER hear that from _ME_ about one of your "new
| ideas".
|
| <ggggggggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 316) Wed, Aug 23, 2006 - 8:44:53 pm 
|
| ray>
| Ray got up off the floor.
| "You do?" He said lamely, his brain racing as he tried to figure out
| what was going on. "Uhm, well, it does allow one to have direct
| access to the .cfg while viewing appropriate help at the same time,
| of course to realy smoke, we'd need a beefed up keywords.txt with 
| the whole lore on all the keywords, and perhaps even a link to some of
| the other help pages." He new he was forgetting something then it 
| came to him "Oh, and there's the fact that it will be so much easier
| to maintain, no HTML, just keep keywords.cfg up to date and the rest
| is automagical."
|
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|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 317) Thu, Aug 24, 2006 - 8:46:29 pm 
|
| ray>
| So Eric, what do you think?
|
|
| Glenn, seems I can get 3D or COLOR down there but not both.
| As it is I get color, if I remove the commas, I get 3D.
| Can you please sort that out? Also, I think the Arachne.cfg edit
| window should probably be on top, what do you think? If you 
| agree, how does one move it? I won't even try to figure out which
| tags need moving.
|
|
| <html>
| <body>
| <!-- remember please that config.log or any other file must be in the same
| directory as this file -->
| <table cellspacing=0>
| <td>
| <FONT SIZE=5 3D, COLOR=BLUE>
| Keywords.txt: (Information about Arachne keywords)
| </FONT>
| <FORM ACTION="arachne:file:keywords.txt">
| <TEXTAREA ROWS=9 COLS=75 ARACHNEEDITOR="KEYWORDS.TXT"></TEXTAREA>
| </form>
| </td>
|
| <tr>
| <td>
|
| <FONT SIZE=5 3D, COLOR=GREEN>
| Config.log: (Your current settings)
| </FONT>
| <FORM ACTION="arachne:file:config.log">
| <TEXTAREA ROWS=9 COLS=75 ARACHNEEDITOR="CONFIG.LOG"></TEXTAREA>
| </form>
| </td> </tr>
| <tr>
| <td>
|
| <FONT SIZE=5 3D, COLOR=RED>
| Arachne.cfg: (Edit this to change your settings)
| </FONT>
| <FORM ACTION="arachne:internal-editor">
| <TEXTAREA ROWS=9 COLS=75 ARACHNEEDITOR="ARACHNE.CFG"></TEXTAREA>
| </td> </tr>
|
| </table>
| <TABLE CELLSPACING=0>
| <TD>
| <INPUT TYPE=SUBMIT VALUE="Save ARACHNE.CFG &nbsp;&amp; return &nbsp;[F2]">
| </form></td>
| <TD WIDTH=190 ALIGN=CENTER>
| <FORM ACTION="file://edithelp.htm">
| <INPUT TYPE=SUBMIT VALUE=" Editor Help ">
| </form></td>
| <TD WIDTH=95 ALIGN=RIGHT>
| <FORM ACTION="arachne:back">
| <INPUT TYPE=SUBMIT VALUE="  Cancel  ">
| </form></td>
| <tr><td colspan=3>
| <br><br>
|
| This configuration settup page is designed to allow you to make changes to
| your configuration via direct editing of ARACHNE.CFG. The stock
| configuration pages are certainly best for raw Arachne beginners, but the
| time comes when some users desire a more hands-on approach, and that is
| what this page is designed to provide.<br><br>
|
| Editing of ARACHNE.CFG itself is done in the bottom window. To help with
| configuration issues, the file KEYWORDS.TXT appears on top, it contains
| information on all the Arachne keywords. Finaly the file CONFIG.LOG is
| shown in the middle. Note that although you can edit in all three windows, 
| only ARACHNE.CFG can be saved.<br><br>
|
| This core recreates CONFIG.LOG every time it starts up. CONFIG.LOG shows
| you ALL the values CORE.EXE will be using for that session whether or you
| have explicitly set them in ARACHNE.CFG or not. Also, regardless of how
| your ARACHNE.CFG looks, the data in CONFIG.LOG is always presented in the
| same order, the options are somewhat grouped in a useful way, and all
| comments and extranious material is removed.<br><br>
|
| CONFIG.LOG is thus very useful for debugging as it is easy to keep track
| of any changes that have been made to your configuration, especialy if you
| use a utility like Visual Compare (vc.exe), which gives you a color
| highlighted comparision of the differences between two files. When you
| first get a version of this core up and running to your satisfaction it is
| a good idea to save the CONFIG.LOG produced for comparisions down the road
| should trouble appear. Should that trouble be due to a change in
| configuration, it will thus be very easy to spot.<br><br>
|
| Note that you can also use CONFIG.LOG *as* an ARACHNE.CFG should you wish
| to, especially for diagnostic purposes.
|
| </td></tr>
| </TABLE>
|
| </body>
| </html>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 318) Thu, Aug 24, 2006 - 8:59:42 pm 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,   There is a lot of info there... good for the informed...
| confusing for the novice ! <ggg>  The page is difficult to
| navigate without a mouse... not impossible but difficult
| even for the regular "no mouse" user. <ggg>  
|
| More feedback forthcoming after further perusal ! <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 319) Thu, Aug 24, 2006 - 9:48:26 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/raysetup.htm
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 320) Thu, Aug 24, 2006 - 10:14:35 pm 
|
| ray>
| Off to bed so more coments latter, but Eric, I noticed that too, the
| TAB doesn't seem to move to all the windows, some HTML guru will have
| to figure out why <hint> ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 321) Fri, Aug 25, 2006 - 12:05:20 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,     Press ESC then TAB ... Presto.... next window ! <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 322) Fri, Aug 25, 2006 - 12:22:43 am 
|
| Eric>
| Ray,    #321 isn't exactly right... it's rather complicated...
| it requires a combination of arrow keys, TAB, ESC, and ENTER.  It's
| rather hard to describe. <ggg>   Also, pg up & pg down if you
| don't have smooth scrolling enabled.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 323) Fri, Aug 25, 2006 - 7:14:52 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| The tab key was not working to move from one textarea to another due to
| the fact that they must be 'fully on-screen' in order for the tab to work.
|
| As you'll notice in raysetup.htm ... all textareas are fully on-screen
| and the tab key works to move between them.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 324) Fri, Aug 25, 2006 - 11:13:53 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Re: Raysetup.htm ... Your assuming a 600x800
| display.  It doesn't work in lower resolution.  Also when I
| just tried it the cursor refused to go to the SAVE IT button.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 325) Fri, Aug 25, 2006 - 11:26:44 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   When one tries to send a message from the COMPOSE
| page and it doesn't go thru does it always end up in the OUTBOX ?
| I have noticed that if one returns to the compose page after
| such an error the compose page is always cleared. Also, the
| textarea.tmp file is always deleted.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 326) Fri, Aug 25, 2006 - 1:47:42 pm 
|
| ray>
| Glenn, yeah, that is a better use of space, Eric, roger that, too bad
| there wasn't some way of auto-fitting these pages to the resolution
| at hand, one wants to fit the screen optimaly, but that always presumes
| some resolution or other.
|
| Glenn, what about that 3D + COLOR thing?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 327) Fri, Aug 25, 2006 - 5:20:20 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| The presence of a color variable will over-ride the 3d variable
| and only the color variable will be used.
|
| <font 3d> == raised
| <font 3d=0> == raised
| <font 3d=1> == raised
| <font 3d=2> == indented
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 328) Fri, Aug 25, 2006 - 5:48:04 pm 
| URL
|
| glennmcc>
| Better ? <ggg>
|
| http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/raysetup.htm
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 329) Fri, Aug 25, 2006 - 6:03:49 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yes... textarea.tmp will be deleted every time you hit the 'C' hoykey.
|
| This is intentional to keep 'old stuff' from being inserted by mistake.
|
| As to 'Send now'
|
| Just now tested it and it works in all cases except those where we
| are attaching files to the email in-question.
|
| In those cases, the message gets saved to the out box and can be sent
| from there. (with attachments already in-place)
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 330) Sat, Aug 26, 2006 - 4:29:04 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,
| If you fill in the info boxes at the top of
| the compose page and then compose an e-mail,
| then you shell to DOS with ALT-E, to check
| what e-mail service is called for in arachne.cfg,
| when one returns from the DOS shell, all the 
| info boxes at the top of the compose page have
| been wiped clean.  The e-mail message is still
| there.
| If I use SHFT-F4 to call the OOK that assigns
| my e-mail server, then the info boxes are
| wiped clean, totally cleared again.
| If I write the e-mail and then try to send
| it by the non-functioning mail service, then
| textarea.tmp is deleted and the e-mail I just
| composed is wiped clean on the compose page.
| The e-mail is now in the outbox and it is 
| stuck there. It will not send.
|
| Would you like me to send you this ERIC0726 core
| so you can try it.  I think a DGI is missing or
| is not being written for some reason.
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 331) Sat, Aug 26, 2006 - 8:41:50 am 
|
| ray>
| Glenn,
|
| So 3D text can never be in color??
|
| Eric,
|
| Right! That has always bugged me, thanks for the reminder I've just
| stopped noticing how dumb that is, those values should be saved
| and restored, there's no reason that the info box contents can't be
| saved. Probably easy to do, too, once you know how that stuff works.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 332) Sat, Aug 26, 2006 - 11:53:18 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Thanks for the new ERIC0825.zip... but...
| it behaves the same way when trashing e-mails. The
| trashed e-mail remains on screen until one either
| clicks on INDEX or NEXT button at which time either
| the next e-mail appears or the updated index appears.
| With core 1.90JG-387, when TRASH is clicked, the trashed
| e-mail disappears and the next e-mail appears or the
| index appears if the trashed e-mail was the last e-mail
| in the index.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 333) Sat, Aug 26, 2006 - 7:10:51 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Always has worked that eway and always will.
|
| I'm fedd-up with fixing shit for idoits who are used to using WinShit
| and just can't seem to break the bad habbits.
|
| If youre friibbin' too STUPID to check your setup BEFORE starting
| to compose an email............. SCREW YOU !!!!!!!!!!!
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 334) Sat, Aug 26, 2006 - 7:27:17 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| As for the message in your outbox not going ot after switching to the
| correct server.
|
| Of-course it won't..... it has your email address fro mthe wrong server
| in it.
|
| Link to that message and choose 'modify' and then send now.
|
| It will now go out because it wilkl have the email address of the
| correct service in it.
|
| Now for a real tough question.
|
| Why the do you HAVE a setup with a non-working email service in it ????
|
| And WHY did you change to a setup with a service that you KNOW does
| not work ?????
|
| Delete that setup and you won't have this kind of a problem !!!!!
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 335) Sat, Aug 26, 2006 - 10:38:00 pm 
|
| ray>
| Sheesh, someone is in a bad mood tonight.
| Faithful Eric doesn't deserve that kind of treatment never.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 336) Sun, Aug 27, 2006 - 2:17:52 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I download e-mail from two services.  I can only
| send e-mail from bluebottle.com with Arachne.  As I have been
| saying, there is no way to know what service is active on
| the compose page and if you try to find out what service is
| active then you lose everything you wrote on the compose
| page.
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 337) Sun, Aug 27, 2006 - 2:39:52 am 
|
| Eric>
| For general interest, typical "help" response:
|
| Either the help responder didn't read my e-mail
| before responding or is really dense !  <gggg>
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From:   Eric Emerson (wildrice5@juno.com)
| Date:   Friday, August 25, 2006  01:42 AM
| To:   Home (membercare@mc.classmates.com)
| Subject:  
|
|
| It would be nice if your site was more
| compatible with my DOS browser, Arachne.
| I can not even log on with Arachne and even
| a simple thing like sending you an e-mail can
| not be done with my DOS browser. Because of this,
| I seldom visit your site since I do most of
| my browsing with Arachne running in DOS. When
| I try to log in to Classmates using Arachne I
| just keep getting returned to the same page
| and no explanation is given why. And the same
| thing happens when I try to send you an e-mail.
| I subscribe to the "any browser" principle for
| websites and I visit those sites the most that
| also create their websites to have "any browser"
| compatibility. And I am not alone...
| there are many of us who subscribe to the
| "any browser" principles.
|
| Sincerely,
|
| Eric S. Emerson      
|
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|  -------- Answer below: --------
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| Hi Eric, 
|
| Thank you for contacting Classmates. I'm more than happy to assist you.
|
| If you notice some unusual problems as you access the Classmates.com site,
|  it may be due to a problem with the Web site, or it could be your computer
|   or browser settings. Please follow the checklist below:
|
|   1. Clear your cache and temporary Internet files. Refer to the help
|      center or technical support for your browser program or Internet
|      service provider for instructions if needed.
|   2. Log out of Classmates.com and log in again after clearing your
|      computer's cache.
|   3. Delete any bookmarks you are currently using to access Classmates.com.
|   4. If you have Kazaa Lite or SuperTrick on your computer, or if
|      you're unsure whether you have it or not, you can run this Classmates
|      CARE Utility to update Kazaa Lite so you'll be able to access
|      Classmates.com again.
|   5. If you're using a Mac, try accessing the site with another browser.
|      If you're running on OS 9, try using Netscape 6 (or a more recent
|      version) when accessing Classmates.com. If you're running on OS X,
|      try Safari. This should allow you to access all features on the site.
|   6. If you're using an older browser, you may need to update to the most
|      recent version to fully access Classmates.com and related features.
|   7. If you're not getting the full page, check your Internet connection.
|      Dial-up connections may cause significant delays and you won't see
|      everything on the page.
|   8. If you're attempting to access Classmates.com from work, a corporate
|      firewall may be preventing full access and functions.
|
| If you've reviewed this list and completed all the related suggestions,
|  and you still notice problems with the site, please copy and paste
|  these questions into the member care contact form, type your responses
|  to the questions, and submit your specific help request for further
|  review:
|
|    * What Classmates page are you on? If possible, provide the URL
|     (the Web site address information in the "Address" bar of your
|      browser; example: www.classmates.com/cmo/user/my/profile).
|    * What were you attempting to do when the error occurred?
|    * What error message are you receiving?
|    * What registration number are you using?
|    * If further research is necessary, do we have your permission
|      to reset your password?
|    * Which Web browser and browser version are you using (examples:
|      Internet Explorer 6.01, AOL 7.0)?
|    * Which operating system are you using (examples: Windows ME,
|      Windows 95/98, Windows NT 4.0/2000, Mac OS 9, Linux)?
|    * Are you using a Personal Firewall? If so, which type?
|    * Have you recently downloaded and installed any file sharing
|      programs, other than Kazaa Lite?
|    * Have you installed software or utilities to block cookies?
|    * Are you using a proxy server?
|    * Are you able to access other publicly accessible sites, such
|      as CNN.com, or is this problem restricted to Classmates.com?
|    * Are you using WebTV or Iopener?
|
| Thank you in advance for your time. I look forward to your reply.  
|
| Sincerely,
|
| Scarlett
| Classmates Member Care Department 
| www.Classmates.com
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 338) Sun, Aug 27, 2006 - 2:59:06 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,  I'm frustrated too!  There is a definite difference
| in the way the two ERIC cores treat the INBOX and it isn't
| right. It has nothing to do with my e-mail service or which
| one I'm using.  Everything works fine if I just switch to
| the 1.90JG core.  Something in the ERIC cores is futzing up
| the INBOX and INDEX functions.  I'm sorry but that is just 
| the way it is.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 339) Sun, Aug 27, 2006 - 6:17:02 am 
|
| glenmcc>
| OK, I'll see if I can fix it, but first things first.
|
| #1 is to get over this really bad atitude problem I've been having for
| about a week now.
|
| If things keep going the way they are... I'll be using that 30-06
| on my computer instead of on groundhogs. <ggggg>
|
|
|
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 340) Sun, Aug 27, 2006 - 7:04:13 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    I'm in no hurry....I just figured if something is
| broke you would want to know it. <ggg>  Until I signed up at 
| Bluebottle my use of Arachne e-mail was very limited so it
| never got tested on my computers much...it's now getting
| more testing. <ggg>
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 341) Sun, Aug 27, 2006 - 1:28:15 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| OK, let's see if we narrow-down what's going wrong.
|
| If I understand correctly.... 'trash' works fine in v1.90;JG but not
| in either of the 'Eric cores'.
|
| If so...
| then it has to be something in one or more the #ifdef ERIC defines.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 342) Sun, Aug 27, 2006 - 1:45:26 pm 
|
| glennmcc>
| Eric..... you've got mail. ;-)
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 343) Sun, Aug 27, 2006 - 9:16:48 pm 
|
| ray>
| Hmmm, I know that at one time Eric had the same problem with my
| core but I can't remember what the fix was, if it turns out to be
| in one of his customizations please let me know, 'cuz I've got
| a pile of them too and I'd like to know which one is the
| rougue. Tx.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 344) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 1:58:41 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    This 190j1-e1.zip core that you e-mailed me
| works just fine so far. I'll keep testing it. I looked for
| a 190j1 core at cisnet but all I could find was the complete
| installation program. I could find no zip of just the 
| compiled core.
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 345) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 5:18:32 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   Re: e-mails in outbox - Are you saying that 
| if the "From:" line has an e-mail address in it which is
| different from the service currently entered in the
| arachne.cfg file, then the e-mail will not be sent when
| "send mail in outbox" is clicked ?  I didn't know that
| nor did I even think about that before. <gggg>  Does
| that rejection happen at the Arachne level or is it
| the e-mail service that rejects it ?
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 346) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 5:31:15 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,   If the "From:" line was shown on the compose page
| then one would know which e-mail service and mail box he was
| currently using.  Currently, the "From:" line is only shown
| when one opens an e-mail for viewing after it has been sent
| to the outbox. 
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 347) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 5:47:11 am 
|
| Eric>
| glennmcc,    Also the mail "Reply to:" seems to be derived
| from the e-mail being forwarded or replied to and not from
| the e-mail box in the arachne.cfg.  Is that right?
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 348) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 5:54:58 am 
|
| Eric>
| Boy,   This e-mail stuff has many permutations. <ggg>
|
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 349) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 5:56:09 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| Yep.... it happens at the server end.
|
| To see the error message turn on pop3.log and then view that log after
| a failed attempt to send.
|
| It will read somethng like.....
|
| "somebody@somewhere.net does not have permission to use this server"
|
| ============================================================================
|
| 350) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 5:56:46 am 
|
| glennmcc>
| <bump>
|
| Hi Eric
|
| </bump>
|
| ============================================================================