DOS Testers1 Message Board Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:50:43 ______________________________________________________________________________ | ============================================================================ | | 351) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 5:58:16 am | | glennmcc> | And yeah..... no sepperate core 190;J1 at my site... just the whole package. | | ============================================================================ | | 352) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 6:11:11 am | | glennmcc> | OH yeah.... | left-click your mouse on the version # at the bottom of the screen. | (in between the 2 clocks... but not on either of the clocks) | | | ============================================================================ | | 353) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 7:16:20 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, How do you "left click" without a mouse? | | ============================================================================ | | 354) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 7:42:52 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, I tried ALT-M before and didn't see the e-mail | address. I was not familiar with the mouse click | link on the version number. Forget #353 I was thinking | "right click"....how do you do that without a mouse? | Remember, I consider a mouse connected to a computer | as vermin. It would still be more convenient and | it makes sense to me to have "From:" displayed more | prominently on the compose page... maybe on the title bar ? | | ============================================================================ | | 355) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 8:36:23 am | | glennmcc> | Press 'tab' or ESC or whatever you prefer to get the cursor out of any | text entry field.... use the KB arrow keys to move the 'mouse pointer' | to the V#, when it's there... "More Information" will appear in the | status bar at the lower-left... now press enter. | | Alt+M will also do the job... but only after getting your cursor out of | any of the text entry fields. | | | ============================================================================ | | 356) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 8:39:39 am | | glennmcc> | When in 640x480 res... at the center of the info box is... profile, | realname, email address. | | In addition, when in 800x600 res with buttons down the right side.... | that info is always there and you change between the 2 views of it in | the same manner. | | When in 1024x768 res with buttons down the right... all info is shownb | at all times. | | ============================================================================ | | 357) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 11:44:55 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, On my screen, that popup box overlays the current | screen and lettering which mixes with the printing in the popup | box. The printing is very small and light and very hard to read. | Also it is jammed right into the right border so that it looks | like the most right column or two is cut off...they may not be | cut off but they sort of blend in with the right border. i'm | glad you pointed it out because I did try it before and didn't | see the e-mail address when I looked... maybe because I was in | the wrong resolution where it has to be toggled to display all | of the info. However...IMHO, it would be far more convenient | if the "From:" was displayed in the title bar or elsewhere, full | time, in "standard" size print so it could be read similar to | the way it can be when an e-mail is opened in the outbox. | | ============================================================================ | | 358) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 4:42:57 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | That's easy. | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/dsplfrom.zip | | All I did was to insert this section just above the 'To:' line in all 4 | of these files..... | | arachne_main\reply.htp | arachne_main\resend.htp | arachne_main\system\gui\sendmail.ah | arachne_main\system\gui\sendfile.ah | | | From:  | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 359) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 7:46:01 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Way to go, it looks and works great so far. | Great job. I wasn't expecting anything so quick. | Thhhhaaaannnkkkkkk yooooooooooouuuu !!! | | ============================================================================ | | 360) Mon, Aug 28, 2006 - 7:48:18 pm | | glennmcc> | Ah shucks... twern't nuttin' ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 361) Tue, Aug 29, 2006 - 9:25:38 pm | | ray> | Hey that reminds me, you never answered my question about mixing | 3D with COLOR -- surely we can do it, no? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 362) Wed, Aug 30, 2006 - 12:16:46 am | | glennmcc> | No. | | ============================================================================ | | 363) Wed, Aug 30, 2006 - 12:21:26 am | | glennmcc> | -- in htmldraw.c ---- | if(style & TEXT3D) | { | int colormap[5]={15,-1,-1,8,7}; | decorated_text(x1+screen_x+xskip,(int)(y1+screen_y),txt,colormap); | } | else | if(style & TEXT3D2) | { | int colormap[5]={8,-1,-1,15,7}; | decorated_text(x1+screen_x+xskip,(int)(y1+screen_y),txt,colormap); | } | _____________________ | | | The colormap code 'locks-in' the colors and wheather it is raised or indente | | ============================================================================ | | 364) Sun, Sep 03, 2006 - 2:09:04 pm | | ray> | Tinkering around with that, I managed to get it to pay attention | to COLOR with a little hack, but I'm stumped by one thing: in | testing.htm, it only pays attention to the last one: ... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 365) Sun, Sep 03, 2006 - 2:11:40 pm | | ray> | Although I have it with three colors for each of the boxes, only: | | | | ... is obeyed, all the other 3D texts are RED too! | | Interested? I'll post my little hack and then we can figure out | how to make it work reliably. | | | ============================================================================ | | 366) Sun, Sep 03, 2006 - 6:53:05 pm | | glennmcc> | I have alreadf done some quite extensive experimentation with the colormap | | If you simply grab the 'fill color' from the color variable ..... | | --- in guidraw.c ---- | //!!glennmcc: Begin Jan 20, 2006 | // 4 choices at build-time for 'Arachne ver#' color/style | int colormap[5]={15,-1,-1,7,8};//high-contrast raised | //int colormap[5]={7,-1,-1,15,8};//high-contrast indented | //int colormap[5]={15,-1,-1,8,7};//low-contrast raised | //int colormap[5]={8,-1,-1,15,7};//low_contrast indented | //!!glennmcc: end | //int colormap[5]={8,-1,-1,15,7};//original line | //!!glennmcc: Mar 15, 2006 -- inserted description & short color list | /* | {15,-1,-1,7,8};//high-contrast raised | _^^<--top_edge/left_edge color | {15,-1,-1,7,8} | __________^<--bottom_edge/right_edge color | {15,-1,-1,7,8} | ____________^<--fill color | 0 BLACK | 7 LIGHTGRAY | 8 DARKGRAY | 15 WHITE | */ | //!!glennmcc: end | _____________________________________________________________________ | | ============================================================================ | | 367) Sun, Sep 03, 2006 - 9:43:47 pm | | ray> | Yeah, I have your comments there in my code. The colormap seems to | work as you say, the problem is that somehow only the last | set of values entered are retained, and then used for the whole | page. I can show that the COLOR varaible for the first two text | boxes heading is parsed and entered into the data structure for the | atom at the HTML reading stage, but when it comes to drawing the | page, only the last one is used. It's over my head right now trying | to figure out why. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 368) Sun, Sep 03, 2006 - 9:44:50 pm | | ray> | Hmmm, are those the comments I have? maybe not, better go and | check. | | | ============================================================================ | | 369) Sun, Sep 03, 2006 - 9:46:34 pm | | ray> | Yup, got 'em. | | | ============================================================================ | | 370) Sat, Sep 09, 2006 - 6:37:26 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Just tried someting that should make a testers life a bit easier: | Modified my stuff so that all files that change between my core and | the std now have different names: | | rcore.exe | rarachne.bat | etc. | | This saves a bunch of copying and possible trouble, now both | cores can live in the same dir without tripping over each other, | could be bugs in it tho if something somewhere depends on the | old names. | | | ============================================================================ | | 371) Sun, Sep 10, 2006 - 12:04:17 am | | Eric> | Ray, When I am changing cores I rename the existing files | before I copy in the new core and replacement files so that | I can switch back and forth by just changing file names... | Is that what you are talking about? | | ============================================================================ | | 372) Sun, Sep 10, 2006 - 8:29:25 am | | ray> | Eric, | | That's about what I've been doing till now, but this is a bit | safer, my core wants 'rarachne.bat' not 'arachne.bat' so there's | no need to change any filenames at all. I have '190.bat' which | is just: | | arachne.bat | | and ray.bat which is just | | rarachne.bat | | rcore.exe is my latest, core.exe is 190. | | I did this because inspite of all my guards, what with | rampant core switching I sill found myself occasionaly fouled up, | my core with the old .bat, or viceversa. This should allow both | cores to exist in the same dir without needed to rename anything. | So far it's ok. | | | ============================================================================ | | 373) Sun, Sep 10, 2006 - 3:16:25 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I think you may have made things worse for | switching since before...after getting your setup | working then one could switch back to the glennmcc | core and everything still worked ok without changing | any other files. Is this still true? In other words, | your setup worked when just switching cores to glennmcc's | core. No other changes were required. It sounds like | now without glennmcc's specific files then glennmcc's | core will not work. | | | ============================================================================ | | 374) Sun, Sep 10, 2006 - 6:29:26 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I'm hoping that in effect, 'switching' will no longer be needed, | the two cores should just ignore each other totaly. Of course if | space is an issue one might still 'switch' in the sense that all | my files are deleted from wherever and copied back in when | switching back to it, but this shouldn't be needed any longer, | run Rarachne.bat and you fire up my core (Rcore.exe) run | arachne.bat and you fire up core.exe (Glenn's), my core finds | Rtoolbar.cfg, Glenn's find toolbar.cfg. So both can live in the | same main Arachne directory without fighting over the fact that | files with the same name have different content, I think I should | have done this a long time ago. | | | ============================================================================ | | 375) Sun, Sep 10, 2006 - 7:13:14 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep.... | | Files 1,2,3,4 and 5 are 'common' to both Ray's version and the | 'standard' version. | | Files 6,7,8,9 and 10 are different | | Therefore, | | Both versions use files 1,2,3,4 and 5 | | but.......... | | Standard version uses files 6,7,8,9 and 10 | | Ray's version uses files r6,r7,r8,r9 and r10 | | ============================================================================ | | 376) Sun, Sep 10, 2006 - 7:15:58 pm | | glennmcc> | Copy those 5 files into the 'standard' install. | | Run arachne.bat to fire-up the standard version. | | Run rarachne.bat to fire-up Ray's version. | | To update to a new Ray-release... copy the new 5 files over the old 5 | and run rarachne.bat | | | ============================================================================ | | 377) Sun, Sep 10, 2006 - 7:19:28 pm | | glennmcc> | RARACHNE BAT 7513 8-11-06 9:34p | RARACHNE CFG 5512 9-10-06 6:43p | RCORE EXE 448448 9-07-06 5:57p | KEYWORDS CFG 2380 6-27-06 7:50p | RTOOLBAR CFG 5753 4-25-06 2:54p | | ============================================================================ | | 378) Sun, Sep 10, 2006 - 10:02:49 pm | | ray> | You got it Pontiac ;-) | | Hmmm, now which is more logical? keywords.cfg or rkeyword.cfg ?? | True 'keywords.cfg' is unique to me, so there's no conflict, however, | it could be argued that ... na, the 'r' prefix should only be used | where there is a conflict. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 379) Sun, Sep 10, 2006 - 10:04:54 pm | | ray> | oh, but not 'rarachne.cfg' or at least not yet because I use one | .cfg for both, helps me make sure I'm not playing with different | decks when I change cores ... hmmm maybe I should rethink that ... | esp since we have different defaults, seperate .cfg's could | remedy that. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 380) Sun, Sep 10, 2006 - 11:03:26 pm | | Eric> | Well, now we have two different programs...Arachne and Rarachne... | whoops...three programs...I forgot Erichne. | glennmcc, for now it's five different files but....Ray will | work hard to get that up to ten or more...the ideas just keep | spilling out. Once they get different enough then there will | be no reason to switch cores. It's much easier to just "do it | my way" than to reach a concensis and work toward a common goal. | We should probably start a new list too for Rarachne since | my mailbox is just overflowing with emails from the current | Arachne lists. | | | ============================================================================ | | 381) Mon, Sep 11, 2006 - 7:05:42 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Yeah, forking is a real and omnipresent issue with this sort of | thing, but don't forget that drift can happen in both directions. | Your are right that if/when my core gets different enough then | a totaly sperate distribution is in order, rather like linux but | given that they are still 99% identical functionaly, a new list | right now would be pointless. Anyway, my policy is to always do | the right thing with little (but not no) regard for compatablity | or tradition, this gives users a real choice, and that's a good | thing, as Martha would say. | | | ============================================================================ | | 382) Mon, Sep 11, 2006 - 2:30:51 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Are you quoting Martha, the jailbird, Stewart ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 383) Mon, Sep 11, 2006 - 2:37:28 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Oh Sama Bin Soup Ladel says he's doing the | right thing too. It's all in the perspective and | perception. | | ============================================================================ | | 384) Mon, Sep 11, 2006 - 4:34:07 pm | URL | | US_Patriot> | http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?patriot | | | One entry found for patriot | :one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests | | Therefore... | Those whom destroyed the twin towers 5yrs ago today were Iraqi patriots. | | ============================================================================ | | 385) Mon, Sep 11, 2006 - 4:51:55 pm | | ray> | First, a minute of silence .... | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Eric, | | Yeah, quoting 'hard time Martha' alright ;-) | | But isn't comparing my renaming of a couple of files with what | Osamma does a bit of an exageration? | | And, as you alude, patriotism is indeed the last refuge of scoundrels, | 'my country, right or wrong' is not a sentiment that should be seen | as in any way virtuous, IMHO. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 386) Mon, Sep 11, 2006 - 5:09:57 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I'm not comparing actions, I'm comparing devotion | to a belief of "right". | | ============================================================================ | | 387) Mon, Sep 11, 2006 - 5:16:44 pm | | Eric> | Who is this US_Patriot ? I've heard many sources say | that Iraq had nothing to do with the twin towers. | That was Oh Sama Bee El (pronounced hELl) and he is | definitely not an Iraqi. | | ============================================================================ | | 388) Mon, Sep 11, 2006 - 5:29:39 pm | | US_Patriot> | Iraqi patriot, Afganistan patriot, Iranian patriot... | | What does it matter which country they might have been from ??? | | They were not US patriots. | | Therefore... | I, as a US patriot must destroy them all because I love my country and | support its authority and interests. | | I, as a US patriot must follow my leaders and do whatever they say. | | For _they_ are GODs and they KNOW what is right and what is wrong. | | I, as a US patriot must bow-down to my almighty GOD the president. | For it is he whom speaks for the 535 GODs in the house and senate. | | | ============================================================================ | | 389) Mon, Sep 11, 2006 - 6:00:51 pm | | Eric> | Oh_Sama_Bee_El thinks we have no right to exist. | We are infidels...We are not Muslim...We do not | worship Oh_Sama, who assumes the right...and is | granted that power by his followers...and evidently, | by his god...to exterminate anyone who doesn't | follow the religious protocol he deems right. | The only way to fix things is to change his idea | of "right" or to convince his followers that he | is wrong. We cannot exterminate all his followers | any more than he can exterminate all "infidels". | Even in a democracy we need leaders. But we use | the democratic process to change leaders. In Oh_Sama's | world there is no such thing as democratic process. | If Oh_Sama's followers loose faith in him then he | becomes an infidel and he is exterminated by the | new leader. | | ============================================================================ | | 390) Mon, Sep 11, 2006 - 6:13:45 pm | | Eric> | Is it not strange that Oh_Sama is not worthy of | strapping a bomb on his own back and becoming a | suicide bomber himself ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 391) Mon, Sep 11, 2006 - 6:15:29 pm | | US_Patriot> | Anyone who is not with us is against us. | | Sound familiar ??? | | Those words were spoken by our almight GOD the president. | | I, as a US patriot just _must_ believe that he would not have spoken | those words if they were not 'right and true'. | | | ============================================================================ | | 392) Mon, Sep 11, 2006 - 8:14:09 pm | | ray> | Methinks this patriot is not quite as mindlessly devoted to his | leaders as he makes out. I suspect a thoughtcriminal infact! | | Oh, Eric, as for me, one think I definitely don't suffer from is | a belief in my own inerrancy, I make mistakes all the time, I | am learning all the time, and I am changing my views all the time. | If that stopped, I'd basicaly think of myself as dead. | | | ============================================================================ | | 393) Mon, Sep 11, 2006 - 8:59:02 pm | | Patriot_of_Humanity> | Me thinks he understands. :)) | | 'Dead' is exactly what our GODs think we are. | | They believe that we, as US patriots are nothing more than mindless | automatons who exist for the soal purpose of following them blindly | where ever they may lead. | | It is we, the true patriots of humanity who must stop thinking in terms | of "my country vs your country". | | The mindset which is so prevalent today in the hearts and minds of | "US patriots" is exactly the same mind set which caused the terrorist to | destroy the twin towers. | | They truely believed that their actions were 'right and true' | | Just as the vast majority of 'US patriots' _do_ truely believe that it is | 'right and true' to murder as many people as needed to 'achieve our objectiv | of ridding the world of this terrorsist threat by overthowing the | governments of any country who opposes us. | | 'US patriots' did it to Afganistan. | 'US patriots' did it to Iraq. | 'US patriots' will most likely do it in the very near furture | to both Iran and North Korea. | | We must stop this kind of madness before it is too late. | If we do not.... then all of humanity will pay the price for our stupidity. | | And yes, it _is_ STUPIDITY to continue to fall for this 'nation vs nation', | 'religion vs religion', 'country vs country' mind-set that our government | leaders keep shoving down our throats. | | ============================================================================ | | 394) Mon, Sep 11, 2006 - 9:44:50 pm | | Eric> | I have never heard this dogma you are "quoting" of | country against country, religion against religion. | I have heard El Quaeda vs. The Infidels...and... | Our country vs. various oppressive, murderous leaders | and their governments. I have seen our country come to | the aid of many oppressed peoples in my lifetime. Our | government isn't perfect but it's at least as good as | any of the current governments you will find on Earth today. | True, war-ing is not the way to solve Mankind's problems, | but capitulation to the aggressor also solves nothing... | but...capitulation would make things worse. | | | ============================================================================ | | 395) Tue, Sep 12, 2006 - 7:09:04 am | | ray> | Right Eric. Somewhere between imperialism and ball-less capitulation | lies strength with honour, security and respect. The US had that | in spades after the end of WWII | | ============================================================================ | | 396) Tue, Sep 12, 2006 - 5:01:47 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | I agree... we _did_ have it after WWII | | But it lasted less than 5yrs and ended with this..... | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War | | | ============================================================================ | | 397) Tue, Sep 12, 2006 - 8:29:54 pm | | Eric> | Ok, Wise Guy, look at N. Korea today, it has turned out | to be such a grand nation....It's government is so concerned | about the plite of the average citizen...Damn, We were so | blind we just couldn't see how much better off S. Korea | would be today if we had just kept our nose out of their | business. Korea would be so much better off if it were | under one government, the N. Korean government. U.S.A. | the aggressor again...first we annex Japan and Germany... | and then S. Korea...let's see is S. Korea a state yet or | is it still a possession ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 398) Wed, Sep 13, 2006 - 7:10:47 am | | ray> | Yup, the US got Korea right I'd say. | | ============================================================================ | | 399) Thu, Sep 14, 2006 - 3:32:00 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Here's a small glitch with the compose page. | | 1. I compose an e-mail and while filling in the "To:", | . I notice that "From:" says I'm using the wrong server. | 2. I goto the "From:" box and change the address to the | . correct server. | 3. I save the e-mail to Outbox. | 4. I change my server to the correct server. | 5. I goto Outbox and read the e-mail before trying to send and | . I find the "From:" has been changed back to the wrong server. | 6. I have to click modify which puts the mail back in the | . compose page and puts the correct server back into "From:" | 7. In other words, the program ignores whatever I type into | . the "From:" box and uses whatever is in arachne.cfg for | . the "From:". | 8. Maybe the "From:" should be non-editable on the Compose | . page or do you have a better idea? | | ============================================================================ | | 400) Thu, Sep 14, 2006 - 3:39:36 pm | | ray> | Looks to me like this problem is related to the old | bothersome way that everything up there is lost when you | come back from the external editor or from changing something | on another page, like we were talking about before. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 401) Thu, Sep 14, 2006 - 3:45:35 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Of course, if one only has one e-mail address | then there is no problem...but...It seems that most of us | at least on this list, have more than one... At least until | they upgrade the server. This latest notice of upgrade at | Bluebottle has me worried. <:-( <:{ | | | ============================================================================ | | 402) Thu, Sep 14, 2006 - 3:53:59 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Well, If the composed page was saved as is | displayed on screen for redraw then maybe...but | that same saved image would then have to be used | for the e-mail placed into the Outbox...but... I | don't think that's the way it works so they are | probably two different issues. | | ============================================================================ | | 403) Thu, Sep 14, 2006 - 6:36:16 pm | | ray> | What's gotta be saved isn't a image, rather the data in those | fields must be saved and then restored once the page is reloaded. | We know the mechanism for such things is already in place because | the textarea is saved and restored, but the other fields aren't | so once someone (prob Glenn) sees how do save the other fields | in the same way as the text, we've got it beat. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 404) Thu, Sep 14, 2006 - 8:59:59 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I know it's not an image. I was using image to | collectively mean all the data imaged on the screen. | But right now the e-mail in the outbox is not composed | from just/exactly what is imaged on the compose page. | Information is collected from other sources also or | instead of what's displayed. | | ============================================================================ | | 405) Thu, Sep 14, 2006 - 9:13:51 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Right now we know that the textarea is stored in | the file textarea.tmp but I don't know that any of the | other fields are stored as they are typed on the compose | page. If what is typed in other fields is being stored, | then what is typed in the "From:" field is not used to | compose the e-mail stored in the Outbox. | | ============================================================================ | | 406) Thu, Sep 14, 2006 - 9:19:06 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Yeah, that's about it, we have the technology to do the saving | but it's not being used properly. What I'm saying is we don't need | to invent anything new, just apply existing code to save and restore | more stuff. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 407) Thu, Sep 14, 2006 - 11:19:13 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Well...yea...maybe.... <:} | | | ============================================================================ | | 408) Mon, Sep 18, 2006 - 11:09:33 am | | WAT > | m' names Wat what's yourn? | | | ============================================================================ | | 409) Mon, Sep 18, 2006 - 9:36:36 pm | | gregy> | Eric....that's Ray....can't you detect the "canuckanuck" accent...?? | ..... | | | | ============================================================================ | | 410) Mon, Sep 18, 2006 - 11:28:26 pm | | Eric> | Gregy, I didn't catch the accent...but...his yourn had | a moosey odor. | | ============================================================================ | | 411) Mon, Sep 18, 2006 - 11:49:21 pm | | gregy> | hmmmm....you're RIGHT...!!!....definitely!!!....the breeze certainly | IS from the direction of the meese corrals..... | | | ============================================================================ | | 412) Tue, Sep 19, 2006 - 9:09:41 am | | ray> | Listen you guys, just because we can't bathe up here for 10 months | of the year is no reason to be rude ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 413) Tue, Sep 19, 2006 - 9:32:02 am | | gregy> | Ray...wasn't YOU we were alluding to....it was your herd of meese... | .... | | | ============================================================================ | | 414) Sat, Oct 07, 2006 - 1:52:53 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I hef verk for sie ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 415) Sun, Oct 08, 2006 - 5:00:35 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Ach die lieber, Wass fur ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 416) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 12:55:39 pm | | ray> | | Oh just a little bit of testing, I tend to get into trouble | when I don't get your feedback for a while. Biggest thing is | this 'math free' core, it works fine here but it might just | blow up on another machine for some reason I haven't even thought | of. | | BTW now that you've got a big disk, how's about grabbing the compiler | and starting to build your own cores? Free lessons! That way you | can activate your custom build or change it as you see fit. You can | grab my sources and Glenn's and play with either as you choose. | It's the promised land of GPL -- you do what you want, and updates | and modifications involve sending just a file or two as needed. | | ============================================================================ | | 417) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 4:10:56 pm | | Eric> | Ray, See below my Arachne/DOS computer HD: | | Volume Serial Number is 2821-BC19 | | 170,270,720 bytes total disk space | 4,390,912 bytes in 57 hidden files | 851,968 bytes in 186 directories | 165,007,360 bytes in 3,226 user files | 20,480 bytes available on disk | | 4,096 bytes in each allocation unit | 41,569 total allocation units on disk | 4 available allocation units on disk | | 655,360 total bytes memory | 557,376 bytes free | | | | ============================================================================ | | 418) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 4:14:25 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Put what you want tested on Ray's Stuff and | tell me what to D/L. | | | ============================================================================ | | 419) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 5:01:47 pm | | ray> | Awwww, I thought Glenn set you up with a bigger disk :( | | Anyway, I'll upload it to tripod latter today and give you the | filename then. I think you'll like the unique filenames 'rarachne.bat' | etc. it does make life easier. | | | ============================================================================ | | 420) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 6:07:47 pm | | Eric> | Ray, That "new" HD went into a "non-play-around" | computer. That computer is reserved for serious stuff. | Even that disk's size is truncated by my DOS limitations. | | ============================================================================ | | 421) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 8:08:45 pm | | ray> | You call *this* playing around? | | ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 422) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 10:20:20 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | It's uploaded to tripod 'b8q-exe.zip' ... I've gotta standardize | on my uploaded filenames. As I mentioned, this is the 'math free' | build, plus the usual edits, experiments, butchery etc. < ggg > | I figure if there are math problems, it should manifest itself | right away but you never know. | | McC, give her a boot too if you feel like it. If the math free stuff | pans out with Eric and you, I think you should give it a try with your | core, the changes are quite simple and could be easily conditionalized | if you felt the need to back out of it quickly. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 423) Mon, Oct 09, 2006 - 10:21:48 pm | | ray> | Why do these lines wrap so tightly? Is that that stuff of yours | that I stole from Joe's, Glenn? I remember there was something | about line wraps. | | | ============================================================================ | | 424) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 2:04:39 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I am sometimes getting a DRIVE ERROR page when | I click on a link with your setup. | | | ============================================================================ | | 425) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 2:07:01 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Yes, with your setup something is screwed up | with line wrapping here. | | ============================================================================ | | 426) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 2:10:47 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Strange sometimes the line wrap corrects itself. | | BTW, why does your connect.bat have "connect\" ? | Have you set up a connect directory now ? | | ============================================================================ | | 427) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 2:15:26 pm | | Eric> | Ray, The Disk Error page says: "Arachne can not write | temporary files." Have added more directories again ? | What's the story? | | | ============================================================================ | | 428) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 3:33:35 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Ah, a flury of trouble, but that's what I pay you for ;-) | This line wrap thing, so you noticed it too, I think it's in some | new code from Glenn, there's a keyword, can't remember it of the | top of my head, I'll let you know. Yeah, I decided to create a | \connect subdir just to unclutter the arachne main directory. | Predictably I threw all dial/connect stuff in there. | Just edit connect.bat to suit yourself. | | I'll check the error message, but in the mean time make sure | your %ARACHNETEMP% is set properly. | | | ============================================================================ | | 429) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 4:44:41 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | That error message is in 'err_disk.ah' AFAICT, and it is related | to an inability of Arachne to write to the cache, so check your | cachepath setting and verfiy that there's space in there, etc. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 430) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 5:07:14 pm | | ray> | Nope, that wrapping bug isn't Glenn's stuff, it's my bug and it | might be due to the 'math free' thing, tracing it now. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 431) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 6:37:56 pm | | ray> | Hmmm, found it, math alright, but I prefer the bug to the fix | I have right now, this needs quite a bit of study, even the standard | code does some bizzare things. | | | ============================================================================ | | 432) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 10:32:02 pm | | Eric> | Ray, my Arachnetemp=d:\tmp\ ... what does your setup want... | darn you and your propensity to dream up your own paths.... | it's a good thing your not mountain climbing Everest.... | The sherpa would be trying to show you the way as you | wandered off on a path of your own... ... you would | probably end up limping back to base camp like that guy that | was left for dead and surprized everyone when he found his way back | to base camp on his own but much the worse for wear. | | ============================================================================ | | 433) Tue, Oct 10, 2006 - 10:35:16 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Re: cache ... I had several megs in my cache | at the time... d:\arachne\cache\ ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 434) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 7:11:20 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Hmmm, not that then, so what exactly are you doing when this | error page shows up? As to Everest, how would new routes ever be | discovered unless someone was willing to deviate from the first | route? | | | ============================================================================ | | 435) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 11:15:13 am | | Eric> | Ray, I was doing nothing except clicked on a link.... | I think to one of these pages. | | ============================================================================ | | 436) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 11:18:07 am | | Eric> | Ray, Clicked on link to this page....got "can't write temporary | files" . | | | ============================================================================ | | 437) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 5:13:16 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Hmmm, just to be clear, you are getting the file 'err_disk.ah' | loaded that shows a skull and the message you quote? That page | only shows if there is a cache error. In your config.log does it | show that UseSafeOpen is Y or N? If it's N set 'UseSafeOpen Y' | in rarachne.cfg and try it again, it should show you the name of | the file that can't be opened on the status line and beep at you | too. BTW I notice now that I forgot to give you your custom build, | I wonder if that has something to do with it? | | | ============================================================================ | | 438) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 5:32:58 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | Arachne cannot write temporary files.Possible reasons: | Hard disk is full - Arachne requires at least 0.5 MB of free disk space to r | | And now from your post #417......... | | Ray, See below my Arachne/DOS computer HD: | | 20,480 bytes available on disk | | Sure don't look to me like you gots the needed 0.5mb of freespace. | | ============================================================================ | | 439) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 5:34:27 pm | | glennmcc> | And if drive D: is a Ram_Drive....... | | Does it have at-least 0.5mb of freespace when the error happens ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 440) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 5:40:18 pm | | ray> | Gotta hand it to you Glenn, you are the best goddamned troubleshooter | on the planet. | | ============================================================================ | | 441) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 5:43:52 pm | | ray> | Hey, using 190J1 right now to diagnose a problem. When I try to save | the board using F2 it beeps twice and redraws decidedly slowly | before showing the normal F2 page. Everything works mind, but what's | with the two beeps and the slow redraw? The screen shows a few | wierd things during the redraw too. | | | ============================================================================ | | 442) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 5:46:24 pm | | ray> | ... but it doesn't do the beep etc. on the first try for an 'F2' only | on subsequent. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 443) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 6:41:29 pm | | glennmcc> | F2 will work to save this page if you 1st scroll the page to the top. | (or at-least far enough that none of the text entry fields are showing) | | F2 when the text entry fields are visible 'submits the form' | | ============================================================================ | | 444) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 6:44:20 pm | | glennmcc> | And F2 will only work to save the page if the URL is .... | | http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/ctst/ctsindex.php | | It will submit the form any time after you have made a post | because the 'actual URL' will be.... | | http://www.hi-line.net/~gfeig/ctst/ctsindex.php#end | | The '#end' will only be visble in the URL bar by hitting hotkey 'G' | | | | ============================================================================ | | 445) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 6:46:06 pm | | glennmcc> | IIRC, | | You added '#end' to the URL in your hotlist. | | If so... you'll need to remove '#end' from your link in the hotlist to | be able to use F2 to save this page. | | | ============================================================================ | | 446) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 8:09:20 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I am on RAM disk D: and when I first got the | error I had several MEGs available on D: | | ============================================================================ | | 447) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 8:13:20 pm | | Eric> | I just tried to load this board....got err-ah page.... | I have 1.8 MEG's free space on my drive D: | | ============================================================================ | | 448) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 8:17:21 pm | | Eric> | Ray, You decided to set up your own cache on a | separate directory before...have you done that | again? | | | ============================================================================ | | 449) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 8:18:54 pm | | Eric> | BTW, the error page should be err-disk.ah that I get. | | ============================================================================ | | 450) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 8:26:42 pm | | glennmcc> | Have a look at ... set | | Is you temp dir on the RamDrive ? | | something like this.... | | TEMP=d:\temp | | Or is just arachnetemp on the ram drive ? | | ARACHNETEMP=d:\temp | | ============================================================================ | | 451) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 8:27:19 pm | | glennmcc> | If %TEMP% is on C: .... try setting it to d: | | | ============================================================================ | | 452) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 8:34:37 pm | | Eric> | check message I just left on coders board. | | ============================================================================ | | 453) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 8:36:09 pm | | Eric> | TMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP | winbootdir=C:\WINDOWS | COMSPEC=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM | PATH=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\;C:\DOS;D:\ARACHNE | TEMP=D:\TMP | MYIP=10.9.11.202 | REMIP=0.0.0.0 | NETMASK=240.0.0.0 | PEERMRU=1500 | DNS1=10.10.0.4 | ARACHNETEMP=D:\TMP\ | OLDPMT=$p$g | PROMPT=You are still online$_Type EXIT to return to Arachne$_$p$g | | ============================================================================ | | 454) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 8:52:24 pm | | Eric> | The first try at loading this page gives error page.... | if I press H... load Hotlist...click on link for this | page... this page loads. | | | ============================================================================ | | 455) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 9:28:01 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | Thanks for feedback on F2, my core seems a bit different, I can save | the board with F2, beeps notwithstanding, and that's even with | the #end on there. I did something way back in main() that prevented | a double append of '#end' and maybe that's it -- seemed like a | good idea, and very simple to do, you might take a look at it. | | Eric, | | It shouldn't make any difference where I have my cache, your | 'CachePath' variable is all that will be relevant, as is the case | with everyone. Is your 'UseSafeOpen' active? if so it should give | the name of any file that can't be opened, along with the path, | give it a try temporarily to see what's going on. | | | ============================================================================ | | 456) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 9:43:07 pm | | ray> | Oh, I think I've got the fix for that line wrap -- still trying to | use integer arithmatic, but it should be ok. | | | ============================================================================ | | 457) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 11:39:50 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I have added UseSafeOpen On but nothing looks different... | What am I looking for ?? But other anomalies keep popping up. | Your connect.bat even after editing didn't work...I think because | of that "if exist" stuff which I fail to understand why it | is there. Can you explain ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 458) Wed, Oct 11, 2006 - 11:45:28 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Should it be UseSafeOpen Y ... or ... UseSafeOpen On | in the rarachne.cfg . The config.log says the it defaults | to Y . | | ============================================================================ | | 459) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 3:22:14 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | If config.log says it's 'Y' then it should be working. BTW it's | always 'Y' or 'Yes' vs. 'N' or 'No' with all cores, never 'on' or | anything else. But this is strange, with that on, you should get | a beep and a status line message showing the name of the offending | file. As to connect.bat, this will almost always need to be | edited: | | @echo off | if exist ppp.log del ppp.log > NUL | lh connect\lsppp.exe > PPP.LOG | if errorlevel 1 del PPP.LOG > NUL | rem if exist ip-up.bat call ip-up.bat | | ... that's mine, but you might want this: | | lsppp.exe > PPP.LOG | | ... the above assuming you have an lsppp.cfg with your | settup in there, otherwise you can add arguments to 'lsppp.exe' | to connect. You have connected with my core before, and nothing | has changed since then. The 'errorlevel' line is just to make sure | that ppp.log is deleted if the connection fails, without it, ppp.log | exists, which makes Arachne think she is connected when infact she | is not. Fool around with connect.bat until it works from the | command line, then it should also be fine when called from within | Arachne. | | | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 460) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 3:55:10 pm | | Eric> | Ray, 1st, what is setting the errorlevel and what is | it if it isn't 1 ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 461) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 4:13:09 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I quote you from ADEV board: | | "top of the board -- go figure. Anyway, I've gotta find out what | happens with UseSafeOpen on before we can say much more about this | happens with UseSafeOpen on before we can say much more about this | err-disk.ah stuff." | | So I inserted "UseSafeOpen on" into rarachne.cfg | | | ============================================================================ | | 462) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 4:38:02 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I have "UseSafeOpen Yes" in rarachne.cfg | I just tried the link to this page and got the | "err-disk.ah" page. There was a beep but I saw no | message anywhere. Status line displayed only the | load time for the "err-disk.ah" page. | | ============================================================================ | | 463) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 4:41:27 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Before the err-disk.ah page loads the status line | says: "Cannot open file!" | | | ============================================================================ | | 464) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 4:55:54 pm | | Eric> | Ray, If I ALT X from arachne when err-disk.ah displays | then restart with "rarachne" then this page loads and | I don't get the error page...BUT...if I start glennmcc's | distro with "arachne" and use this page then ALT X then | start your Arachne with "rarachne" then I get the | error page when I click on the link for this page in | my hotlist. BTW, the cursor arrow never changes color... | it stays white all the time. | | ============================================================================ | | 465) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:02:21 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Also, When I ALT X from rarachne and start glennmcc's | arachne distro, your distro seems to make strange old pages | load in glennmcc's distro. | | ============================================================================ | | 466) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:17:26 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | TEMP=D:\TMP | ARACHNETEMP=D:\TMP\ | | Try removing that trailing backslash from ARACHNETEMP=D:\TMP\ | ____________________________________________________________^ | | | ============================================================================ | | 467) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:19:42 pm | | ray> | Afternoon Eric, | | 460: the errorlevel is set by lsppp.exe and is 0 if all is well | and 1 if there was an error. As you may know, any program has the | ability if it wants to set 'errorlevel' and use that as a flag | to other programs to indicate something or other, generaly that | there was indeed an error. | | 461: I found that bug, it's fixed, just an experiment in main(). | | 463: Ah ha, so there is a message, that's good. Hmmm, but no | filename or path? Heck it has to print the name of the file that's | trying to be opened how can that be nothing? | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 468) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:29:28 pm | | ray> | 464: Hmmm, this mouse staying white, that has to indicate something | very nutty is happening. Sounds roughly like my core and Glenn's | are still managing to trip over each other. | | ============================================================================ | | 469) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:33:20 pm | | ray> | Afternoon Glenn, | | The trailing '\' is needed for sure, my core should bitch if it | isn't there. Anyway, this has to be something to do with the cache | path, not the ARACHNETEMP dir. | | Eric, please send me a copy of your config.log, let's have a look | at your setup and see what we can see. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 470) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:34:24 pm | | Eric> | Ray, #461 is just a quote ... what do you mean? | | ============================================================================ | | 471) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:36:41 pm | | ray> | Hey Glenn, while your about, do you know what the wheel is supposta | do in Arachne? As you noticed on the other board, I managed to bugger | that. I just bought a wheel mouse but I have no idea what I'm | supposed to see. | | | ============================================================================ | | 472) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:39:32 pm | | glennmcc> | Ray, | | file://doc/tempdir.htm | | 5. do not use an additional backslash ("\") at the end of the pathname | | | | ============================================================================ | | 473) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:40:21 pm | | glennmcc> | IIRC, the wheel should simply scroll the page up and down. | | ============================================================================ | | 474) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:40:54 pm | | glennmcc> | Since I just got a wheel mouse a couple of days ago............. | | BRB | | ============================================================================ | | 475) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:44:50 pm | | Eric> | Ray, When I press K then I get error page saying | that "shotkey.htm" can't be found. | | | ============================================================================ | | 476) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:45:42 pm | | glennmcc> | The wheel does nothing here in my core. | | BRB | | ============================================================================ | | 477) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:46:41 pm | | Eric> | Excuuuuuse me.....should be shotkeys.htm can't be found. | | ============================================================================ | | 478) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:49:34 pm | | glennmcc> | The wheel scrolls the page up and down in Netscape v4.6 | | | ============================================================================ | | 479) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:50:58 pm | | glennmcc> | And in FireFox as-well | | ============================================================================ | | 480) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:53:10 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Shotkeys.htm can't be found on the drive | anywhere....what the heck is "shotkeys.htm" | | ============================================================================ | | 481) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:55:51 pm | | glennmcc> | Now here in Arachne v1.70 | | The wheel does nothing. | | So at-least we know it's not a bug we introduced. | | | ============================================================================ | | 482) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 5:57:44 pm | | ray> | Glenn, re 472, yeah, I know, but my core *does* need it. I tried | it without, I can't remember now, but there was some reason to | prefer the trailing ... (think, think, think, ....) ummmmm, it was | because something like 'c:' as a path will write to the current | dir on 'c:' whereas 'c:\' specifies the root ie. with the trailing | backslash the absolute path is assured otherwise not. eg my | ARACHNETEMP is 'r:\' and if I used 'r:' everytime I changed to | some subdir on 'r' things would get fouled up. | | | ============================================================================ | | 483) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:00:11 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | re 475 rodger that, 'shotkey.htm' ... what on earth have I done? | Let me go find that BRB. | | shotkey my arse ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 484) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:04:26 pm | | glennmcc> | Setting your temp path as 'r:\' is a very bad idea. | | The file limit in the root dir of any drive is 512 files | | You will get errors that files can't be written when your temp dir has | 512 files in it ... the 513th file can't be written. | | | ============================================================================ | | 485) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:05:52 pm | | ray> | Hmmm that was easy to fix, but God knows how I did that in the | first place -- probably some global string manipulation, these | sometimes do totaly unexpected things. | | | ============================================================================ | | 486) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:16:21 pm | | ray> | Eric, yeah it should report the full filename, anyway it's back | to 'hotkeys.htm' like it should be, dumb editing mistake or | something. | | Glenn, yeah, but (youknewthiswascomming) 4DOS doesn't have that | limitation .... (think, think, think ....) but I always use your | core under command.com .... Idiot! That could | explain some strange things that happen with std core. Ah, better | just quitely, nonchalantly go and change things to using a | subdir for the 'TEMP' .... | | Thanks Glenn, I should know better than to rely on 4DOS stuff when I'm | not using it all the time. Like I'm careful to ignore the extra | power of 4DOS batchfiles. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 487) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:16:27 pm | | glennmcc> | Just tried copying too many files to I:\ | | TWEAKNG.ZIP | | | | CARTOON.ZIP | UNRAR105.EXE | Internal Error Code 082 | | 511 File(s) copied | | | | ============================================================================ | | 488) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:18:32 pm | | ray> | As to the wheel, Vladimir says that my core at least recognized it | up to build 7x so it must have done something and I can't imagine | the std core would have done any less, remember Laaaca fixed | something in there? That's gotta prove that it does/did/can work. | | | ============================================================================ | | 489) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:30:31 pm | | glennmcc> | If so.... them why does v1.70 do nothing ? | | ============================================================================ | | 490) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:35:40 pm | | glennmcc> | Just double checked my startup line for ctouse in autoexec.bat | | e:\ctmouse\ctmouse.exe /R22 /3 | | Screen-output...... | | | CuteMouse v1.8 [FreeDOS] | Installed at PS/2 port | | | Whell doing nothing. | | | ============================================================================ | | 491) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:38:19 pm | | glennmcc> | Now using the version included in our 'package'. | | l:\arachne\system\devdrvrs\ctmouse.exe /R22 /3 | | | CuteMouse v1.8 beta 8 (with wheel support) [FreeDOS] | Installed at PS/2 port | | | Still nothing. | | ============================================================================ | | 492) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:40:13 pm | | glennmcc> | It _is_ recognizing the /3 option because pressing-down on the wheel to | activate the center botton toggles me to fullscreen mode and back again. | | ============================================================================ | | 493) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:40:39 pm | | glennmcc> | But the wheel does not scroll the screen. | | | ============================================================================ | | 494) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:43:28 pm | | ray> | Eureka, just tried the version 2.0 of cute mouse and it works | fine in the 1.90J1 core, I'll upload it to tripod just now so you | can try it, BTW a virgin command line worked fine, no switches | just 'lh ctmouse.exe' | | | ============================================================================ | | 495) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:47:32 pm | | ray> | Ok its at tripod 'ctm20a4.zip' BTW to see it work go to the | compose mail page, import some text into the text box and move the | wheel, it will move up and down in the text box, but not move outside | of that. Fine with 'J1, busted in mine. | | | ============================================================================ | | 496) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:55:13 pm | | glennmcc> | Good thinkin' Ray, | | As soon as I read your post 494, I went ang got it from.... | http://cutemouse.sourceforge.net/ | | Page scrolling is now working perfectly. ;-) | | THANK YOU !!! | | | ============================================================================ | | 497) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 6:57:16 pm | | glennmcc> | v2.0a4 is now in-place ready to be included in our next 'release package'. | | | Volume in drive E is MCCORKLE_03 | Directory of E:\ARACHNE\SFX\ARACHNE\SYSTEM\DEVDRVRS | | CTMOUSE EXE 6120 6-01-03 2:00a | CTMOUSE TXT 12058 1-01-03 2:00a | HISTORY TXT 6895 6-01-03 2:00a | | | ============================================================================ | | 498) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 7:00:41 pm | | glennmcc> | Sheesh... talk about an efficiant program. | | Even the smaller of the 2 text files is still bigger than the EXE :)))) | | ============================================================================ | | 499) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 8:18:33 pm | | ray> | Yes, it's a sweet bit of programing. ASM optimized to the byte. | I wish I spoke ASM so that I could study it :-( | | | | ============================================================================ | | 500) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 8:21:06 pm | | ray> | Found my bug, I was localizing the mouse varible and managed to | turn it from an int into a char. Little editing mistakes like that | can cost many hours of trouble at times. | | ============================================================================ | | 501) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 8:25:32 pm | | ray> | BTW have you fired up Alpha#2 from Udo? | | | ============================================================================ | | 502) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 8:31:02 pm | | ray> | Hey, the wheel also lets you scroll a long page, like this one, | saves dragging the mouse, I like that, will keep this wheelmouse | just for that. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 503) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 8:44:01 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep... | fired-up Udo's Alpha#2 about 5min after I got it via email attachment. | | It is 'semi-stable'. | | Bad news: | | It browses for a litle while and then crashes. :( | | Now for the really bad new.............. | | Ran a few D/L speed tests. | | It is only getting about 1/2 the through put of my core. :(((( | | ============================================================================ | | 504) Thu, Oct 12, 2006 - 10:06:38 pm | | ray> | Yeah, DPMI and 32 bit code will always be slower due to the | added complexity and far pointers. These are only going to be | worth implementing if there is some huge improvement in functionality | to justify the bloat and slowness. Still, its good to know that we | can do it, and I have no doubt that Udo will produce a stable | core eventualy. And WAT32 is, as we know, a whole lot faster | inspite of the overhead of DPMI. | | | ============================================================================ | | 505) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 12:29:15 pm | | glennmcc> | Wait a second now. | | I was under the impression that the whole reason for attempting to | switch to 32bit code was to INCREASE our speed. | | | ============================================================================ | | 506) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 2:53:34 pm | | ray> | Sure, but 32 bit giveth and 32 bit taketh away -- there's more overhead | and any given opperation is slower, but it also seems that the | increased power of 32bit (WAT32 anyway) gives more than it takes. | Or so your experiments with WAT32 enabled programs would seem to | indicate. | | | ============================================================================ | | 507) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 2:59:30 pm | | glennmcc> | But the experiments with Arachne and Wat32 seem to show that my | assumptions were wrong about Wat32 giving us faster downloads. | | ============================================================================ | | 508) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 4:04:09 pm | | ray> | Ya, maybe but your conclusions looked solid, besides, why would | WAT32 exist at all if it was both bigger AND slower? Given the | bloat, it must do something to justify its existance; that isn't | compactness, for sure, so it MUST be speed and or some new | features, but no one would use it if it was 1/2 the speed of | WAT16. Ergo WAT32 is faster than WAT16. BTW I can't get 'Alpha2' | to do anything but hang when it's online :-( | | | | ============================================================================ | | 509) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 6:23:05 pm | | Eric> | Ray, There's a mailman on Deal or No Deal right now | and unfortunately, he's not doing that well. In his | first round he knocked out the two top amounts, | $750K and $1000K. | | ============================================================================ | | 510) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 6:26:25 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | New core comin' down the wire to tripod, 'shotkeys' fixed, | line wrapping should be fixed, and it might not whine at | you as much about unfound files, but I still think that's gotta | be some problem with your cache over there. | | | ============================================================================ | | 511) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 6:26:59 pm | | ray> | Well now you know why he's a mailman ;-) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 512) Fri, Oct 13, 2006 - 6:59:53 pm | | Eric> | Ray, His picks weren't very lucky, but he's still | married. He was smart/lucky enough to get out | with something more than he had in his case. | | ============================================================================ | | 513) Sat, Oct 14, 2006 - 3:30:04 pm | | Eric> | Ray, The problem is not with my cache ! There is some | incompatibility between glennmcc's distribution and | your setup. | | ============================================================================ | | 514) Sat, Oct 14, 2006 - 3:55:39 pm | | ray> | Hi Eric, | | It's gotta be with the cache, because it's only when a cache write | fails that 'err_disk.ah' shows up. That's not to say the problem | doesn't originate in some incompatability between cores or that | it's 'your fault' but it is something to do with the cache. | | So: you are getting the beep and the 'Cannot write ...' message | on the status line, but no filename? Please send me a copy of your | config.log so that I can run it here and see if there's anything | obvious. Also, have you tried 'F8' to kill your cache after | switching cores? With an empty cache, go to some page, then quit | then from the command line, go to your cache and see if it has | been cached or not. And/or wait till the beep/message happens | and then go to the cache and see if it's there. This will determine | if the message is at least legitimate, ie, it could be the case | that things are in the cache but you are getting some bogus message -- | or the message is correct, stuff isn't being written to cache at all. | Did you grab the latest upload from tripod? No change? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 515) Sat, Oct 14, 2006 - 3:57:13 pm | | ray> | Oh, and of course you fixed that problem that Glenn pointed out | about you not having enough free space there, that was several days | ago. | | | ============================================================================ | | 516) Sat, Oct 14, 2006 - 8:31:37 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I had several MEGs for cache...glenn was looking | at C: drive which doesn't come into play since everything | is on d: RAM drive....besides the error goes away if I | just shut the program down and restart it....no changes | of any kind....just enter "rarachne". I wrote all this | in previous posts. | | I haven't tried your revised core yet but I will | eventually. | | ============================================================================ | | 517) Sat, Oct 14, 2006 - 8:39:14 pm | | Eric> | Ray, What is the name of the new core on Tripod. | I can't get it without a name. | | | ============================================================================ | | 518) Sat, Oct 14, 2006 - 9:01:34 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://rayandrews0.tripod.com/index.htm | | Index updated. | | ============================================================================ | | 519) Sat, Oct 14, 2006 - 9:01:51 pm | | Eric> | Ray, That err_disk.ah page lists several possible reasons | for it displaying. | | ============================================================================ | | 520) Sat, Oct 14, 2006 - 10:36:24 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | I know it lists many reasons, but they all boil down to one | reason, which is a failure to write to cache, that's the way the | code is. The fact that the trouble goes away on a restart has gotta | be a big hint. If there really was a cache problem it wouldn't just | go away like that, so it's gotta be something else. Did you try | killing your cache? Thanks Glenn for updating the index, Eric, | its the '8r' file, can't remember the exact name, all support files | are unchanged. BTW you still haven't sent my your .log, it might | reveal something. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 521) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 2:08:18 pm | | glennmcc> | index.htm updated.... again. | | ============================================================================ | | 522) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 4:45:31 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, Did you see my e-mail I sent you Re: Bluebottle | and it's filtering system? You never mentioned it. If not | then check your Pending box. | | ============================================================================ | | 523) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:21:15 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep... got it.... forgot to comment on it. | | BlueBottle _is_ quite strange. | | Even my own test message to myself got placed into the 'pending' folder | until I manually added myself to the 'allowed' list. | | BRB | | | ============================================================================ | | 524) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:24:51 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/my-stuff/allowed.gif | | ============================================================================ | | 525) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:30:18 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, There was a while last week when I couldn't | send e-mail from Bluebottle. I'm still concerned about | the "updating" they said they are doing. | | ============================================================================ | | 526) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:33:37 pm | | glennmcc> | One more 'good one' was still in my pending folder. | | So now Bastiaan is on my 'allowed list'. | | 04:28:52 PM Bastiaan Edelman... MANUAL | | | ============================================================================ | | 527) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:34:20 pm | | glennmcc> | Several of the 'features' now require JavaShit. :((( | | ============================================================================ | | 528) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:34:46 pm | | glennmcc> | javascript:submitAction(142) | | ============================================================================ | | 529) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:40:48 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Well this 8r core is neat....I pressed "k" and | she locked up with "adjusting frame" in the status bar. | Had to use CTRL-ALT-ESC and restart rarachne. The first | time I got a "incompatable cookies.lst" error but on | retry, after deleting cookies.lst, she just locked | up. | | | ============================================================================ | | 530) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:44:40 pm | | glennmcc> | Wow ... that's pretty kewl version ya got there. | | Look on the bright side... not much danger of filling up the cache. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 531) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:44:46 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I wonder if there is someone who would | pay any attention to an e-mail re: javascript | additions to Bluebottle. | | ============================================================================ | | 532) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:53:11 pm | | glennmcc> | Hahahahahahahahahaha... hahahahahahahahahahaha !!!!! | | | ============================================================================ | | 533) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:53:33 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, The cache I watch pretty closely but I often | run with less than 0.5M. Especially if I am downloading | files. I try to watch it but it sneaks up on me. | | ============================================================================ | | 534) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:54:42 pm | | glennmcc> | But is the damn thing locks-up all the time..... | you won't need to watch so close. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 535) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:55:50 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I think there could be new owners involved | with different agendas. | | | ============================================================================ | | 536) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 5:58:48 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, But with the CTRL-ALT-ESC in Ray's core | and his new dual boot system I at least avoid reboot | and I can start JG_arachne right away. | | ============================================================================ | | 537) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 6:12:35 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Your cursor still fails to change color...it remains | white all the time. | | ============================================================================ | | 538) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 6:24:35 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Only certain sites require the 2 try method to | get them to work. Gregy's sites/boards are one and | google is another. | | | ============================================================================ | | 539) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 6:45:03 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Roger that boggey. You are chasing a moving train here, my man. | That bug was only created yesterday and it is so easy to find | bugs when they are fresh, it lets me move faster because the bugs are | less troublesome. I tried to inline a function but botched it, | never mind, it was hardly worth doing anyway. New core at tripod: | build8r.zip. | | So you like the non-shared filenames eh? Yeah, it is much better. | Did you try those changes to the .cfg that I sent? Give 'em a | try, they might make a difference. The thing with the mouse | is a boggler, I just have no idea how that can be so. You got | colors with the previous cores, right? In those changes I sent you | I think the most important one is 'UseConfigDat N' in case of | trouble, that should be the first thing you do -- delete config.dat. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 540) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 6:49:55 pm | | ray> | Ok it's at tripod. Gotta shake this core down and leave it alone for | a while, I need a stable .exe to fall back on. Thing is I'm finding | such cool stuff to work on right now. | | | ============================================================================ | | 541) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 8:46:51 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I'm not saying I like the non-shared file names... | I'm saying I like ALT-CTRL-ESC to escape a lockup and I | don't understand why the JG core doesn't have it. | I like the fact that I can switch from JG to yours | and back so easily. | | | ============================================================================ | | 542) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 9:31:23 pm | | ray> | Try the 'J1' core, I'm quite sure it's in there. | And the reason you can switch cores so easily now *is* the | non-shared filenames so .... | Let me know how the 'build8r.zip' goes. Man, it is so good to have | my bugs caught early ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 543) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 10:50:17 pm | | Eric> | Ray, you wrote: | | >Try the 'J1' core, I'm quite sure it's in there. | | You try the J1 core for CTRL-ALT-ESC. I'm running | the J1 (I've been calling it the JG since that's | really what it is) and it's not there with my | copy of J1. | | ============================================================================ | | 544) Sun, Oct 15, 2006 - 11:45:08 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I see no change with adding your suggestions to | rarachne.cfg ... It locked up the computer again with | "adjusting frames" in the status line. I had to use | CTRL-ALT-ESC . | | | ============================================================================ | | 545) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 7:08:12 am | | ray> | 'mornin' Eric, | | Thing is I've gotta get the 'J1 to lock first to test CAE and I | can't think of a sure fire way to do that. As to the 'adjusting | frames' the fix for that is in the next core at tripod, the | changes to the .cfg are relevant to the cache stuff, and maybe the | mouse color thing. Tho I suspect the latter is some deep thing, | some video incompatablity perhaps or some other. The mouse 'can't' | not show color, so if it doesn't she's busted down deep. | | | ============================================================================ | | 546) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:55:34 am | | Eric> | Ray, You wrote: | | >Thing is I've gotta get the 'J1 to lock first to test CAE ... | | Thing is...CTRL-ALT-DEL works at any time if it is | there....the machine doesn't need to be locked up. | That's why CAD is so useful...always there if desired. | | | ============================================================================ | | 547) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:04:00 am | | Eric> | Ray, The changes to the cache evidently ARE NOT relevant | since they caused no apparent changes. I do not use a mouse... | it is the cursor that is supposed to change color not the | mouse. The cursor color changes never were perfect | in any vesion...but...yours used to work pretty well. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 548) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:06:51 am | | Eric> | Ray, excuse me... I meant CTRL-ALT-ESC (CAE) not CAD | in post #546. | | ============================================================================ | | 549) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:30:02 am | | Eric> | Ray, BTW, re: changes in Arachne file names...it causes | havoc with all my custom BAT files. | BTW, a change occurred in my rarachne.cfg at the very | top that I have no explanation for...it was a day or | two ago...I forgot to mention it. | | ============================================================================ | | 550) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 9:33:08 am | | Eric> | Ray, I only noticed the rarachne.cfg thing once...I haven't | noticed it again. | | | ============================================================================ | | 551) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 3:01:52 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Ooops, pardon my dumbness, of course the C-A-E breakout can be | used any time. And ... you are right, it isn't working in J1 | which is a bit of a surprise, since that's Joe's core and it was | he who wrote the breakout code, so why isn't it working? | | As to the 'mouse' you are quite correct, it's a 'cursor' not a | 'mouse', however, it's almost universal to call it a mouse even | when it's being moved via keystrokes. We tend to use the word | cursor for the text cursor, as when editing. Now, it is | interesting that you say you've had cursor color problems before. | If that is sporadic it might indicate some anomaly with your machine, | esp. given that you've had trouble with video modes that haven't | bothered anyone else. Just speculating. | | As to screwing up your batchfiles, I can relate to that, I had | to rework litteraly dozens of them, but it's a one time thing, and, | since I have .bat's that relate to each set of cores differently, | the unique names have actualy simplified things quite a bit. | | The random change the the .cfg is serious, that shouldn't ever | happen, if it does again, please show me the exact change. | | Let me know as soon as you've tried the last uploaded core, I need | to know that the 'K' bug is gone ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 552) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 4:08:24 pm | | Eric> | Ray, The change in rarachne.cfg might have been due | to the BAT files screwed up by your change of file names. | As I recall, one of my e-mail addresses had been inserted | at the top of the file. I have batch files that change | arachne.cfg files for different e-mail addresses so it | could be related somehow to those and different function | key assignments in J1 and your setups. It was when I was | still adjusting things for your core and I didn't investigate | it thoroughly. | | ============================================================================ | | 553) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 5:31:02 pm | | Eric> | Ray, The "K" now works without lockup...but... why | don't you make your options page an option instead of | eliminating the original options pages. | Another thing that is usually irritating is that your | core always calls up the "home" page when I adjust | something and restart. J1 returns to the page which | I left which I prefer. It has bugged me for a long time. | | | ============================================================================ | | 554) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 5:46:28 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I don't know why you insist on calling up | the desktop. I don't understand it...if there's | anything I want as "home" it's my hotlist. Those | are the reason I'm running Arachne in the first | place. All other functions are a keystroke away. | I guess that's why I don't use a mouse. | | ============================================================================ | | 555) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 6:50:00 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Thanks for the feedback, re the added line, roger that. Hey, once | you get your .bat's sorted out, you'll see that is is better -- | safer! your std core and files are less likely to be fouled up | my my stuff, and VV for that matter. | | re 'options' hey, it's just an experiment, you can always just | boot out my 'options.htm' ... or waitaminute BRB ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 556) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 6:55:08 pm | | ray> | ... right, it is the same name so that you can just boot my | 'options.htm' outa there and restore the standard version as you | choose. | re restarting, if you ALT+E you should always come back to where | you were, let me know if that's not the case. When you restart | you should go to your "HomePage" not your "DialPage" at all times -- | it bothered me that when staring I when to the DialPage -- why there? | I'll hit 'D' if I want the dial page, your HomePage should be just | that -- tho it seems to me there could be two home pages -- one for | online the other for offline. What say? | | | | ============================================================================ | | 557) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 7:00:22 pm | | ray> | What do you mean by the 'desktop'? set "Homepage" to whatever you | like in the .cfg and you should go there, the hotlist should work | as well as anything else "HomePage file://hotlist.htm". BTW I just | got one of my experimental 'beeps' the ones I use to inform me if | some code that I think is dead is infact still living, so If you get | a beep and text indicating a line in 'hdrawgif.c' ignore it, or if | it's a bother, I'll send a new core -- it's done it's job and is now | gone. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 558) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:09:39 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I only need one "home page"...a poor choice | of terms in my opinion...All my links are accessible | fron Hotlist...on line or off line...IMHO, Arachne | is not meant to be a file manager...it's a browser... | information gatherer...it's a connection to other | computers...other databases...other people... | There are enough other good programs to provide | other functions. However, it might be nice to | have a good full computer, all drives, file | finding utility to find files needed for using | and sending, etc....the problem is compatability | with drive formats and OS's. | | ============================================================================ | | 559) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:18:58 pm | | ray> | Hmmm, given that I've changed how it works, maybe I should | also change it's name, how 'bout StartPage ? | BTW, thinking about what you said about liking to start with | the previous page: as it is now, this is only done when you | return from ALT+E, but howsabout making that a user option | to happen all the time? One could say that: | | DialPage NUL | | will force a return to the last page shown on ALT+X, this would | be easy to do. Tell me more about your last idea there, I don't | know what you're thinking about, but it sounds interesting. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 560) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:27:09 pm | | Eric> | Ray, When I ALT-X J1 and start Rarachne to test things... | then ALT-X Rarachne and enter arachne...J1 takes me to the | last page I was on even if it was loaded in Rarachne. | | ============================================================================ | | 561) Mon, Oct 16, 2006 - 8:30:45 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I think that changing file names is a bad road | to be traveling...You might change titles in the HTM's | rather than change file names if you have that uncontrollable | urge. | | ============================================================================ | | 562) Tue, Oct 17, 2006 - 12:24:28 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, Does that site that L.D. sent to the list | have the Borland stuff that you are using to compile | Arachne? | | | ============================================================================ | | 563) Tue, Oct 17, 2006 - 2:42:26 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | That's as it should be since both cores will/can share the same | cache and cache.idx. To answer for Glenn, close but no cigar, | the 3.0 compiler is there, but not 3.1 :-( | Mind if you want 3.1 .... ;-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 564) Tue, Oct 17, 2006 - 4:41:06 pm | | Eric> | Ray, What's as it should be ???? I think you missed my point | somewhere! | | ============================================================================ | | 565) Tue, Oct 17, 2006 - 5:20:59 pm | | ray> | Hmmm maybe ... when you startup, J1 should take you to 'DialPage' | offline and 'HomePage' online regardless of what my core did or | did not do, unless you start with 'arachne -r' in which case you | should get the last seen page regardless of which core showed it, | because both are using the same index and cache directory. My core | should take you to 'HomePage' in both cases, unless you use the '-r' | in which case it should behave exactly like J1. If you don't like | this, better use a different CachePath and cache file for the two | cores, then it shouldn't happen. Heck *can't* happen. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 566) Tue, Oct 17, 2006 - 7:29:23 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I like the way J1 behaves....I wish yours did too !! | I wish that when I leave J1 and start RA that RA started | up with the page I just left in J1. Instead it always goes | to that D**N desktop. | | | ============================================================================ | | 567) Tue, Oct 17, 2006 - 7:34:06 pm | | glennmcc> | By "D**N desktop" .... do you mean the same as if you had hit F10 ??? | | ============================================================================ | | 568) Tue, Oct 17, 2006 - 8:24:13 pm | | ray> | Yeah, was is this 'desktop'? it will go to: | | HomePage xxxxxxxxx. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 569) Tue, Oct 17, 2006 - 8:36:59 pm | | ray> | Well I'll be, J1 is behaving like that, but that isn't how | it usta work, it 'should' go to wherver DialPage or HomePage | point. | | ============================================================================ | | 570) Tue, Oct 17, 2006 - 8:46:29 pm | | ray> | Yeah, just tested it, online she behaves as you say -- she | restarts as though you used 'arachne -r'. offline she goes to | DialPage on restart. Me I'm consistent, she starts with | 'HomePage' all the time. Now if you ask me, J1 is behaving | badly because it isn't consistent and isn't controlable, supposing | you *want* to restart with 'HomePage'? | | That said, this restart at last page thing would be easy to | implement in my core, I was talking about that yesterday. | Could be: | | HomePage NUL == 'restart at last page' | | or | | StartAtLast Y == restart at last page. | | ... and it would do that all the time, online or off. | | | ============================================================================ | | 571) Tue, Oct 17, 2006 - 8:55:58 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | What's goin on? your cores never used to do this defacto '-r' thing, | they always used to obey the .cfg pages. I'd bet my satchel on it. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 572) Tue, Oct 17, 2006 - 10:47:59 pm | | Eric> | Ray, If you want home page then press F10. | | ============================================================================ | | 573) Tue, Oct 17, 2006 - 11:06:43 pm | | Eric> | Ray, You can also put "file:homepage.htm" in for | Dialpage in arachne.cfg. I have "file:telnet.apm" | in for Dialpage so that my Telnet.apm is installed | on startup. That's a holdover from when I needed | telnet to access my e-mail on Greater Detroit Freenet. | If you use the hotkeys then it's so much faster...but... | you guys who run around hanging on to mouse tails like | to do it the hard way and get carpal tunnel from | clickity, clickity, clickity, drag, oops, drag, clickety... | It's a lot easier to make serious mistakes with that | clickety click stuff....that's why you really need the | trash bin...and even that doesn't stop some irretrievable | mistakes with click click. I have lost whole directories | with that click click stuff and I still can't figure out | why. | | ============================================================================ | | 574) Tue, Oct 17, 2006 - 11:07:42 pm | | glennmcc> | Wrongo. | | Arachne has _always_ started with your dialpage when you're offline | if you are setup to use a dialer/packetdriver to connect. | | When you are online or you are setup for 'connection ready' | she starts with your homepage. | | The simple reason for this is that when you are setup to use a | dialer/packetdriver but are currently offline... the most likely thing | you are going to want to do first is to dial. | | After which you of-course are sent to your homepage. | | If you are online aleady... you of-course are sent to you homepage | imediately upon startup. | | --- these lines have been in arachne.bat for many years --- | | if exist ppp.log arachne.bat -r | echo Don't worry, this is just Arachne lock file...>lock | :continue | core.exe %1 %2 | | | | ============================================================================ | | 575) Tue, Oct 17, 2006 - 11:09:45 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | re:"If you want home page then press F10." | | F10 is not your homepage... that's your desktop. | | Alt+F1 == Goto homepage | | | ============================================================================ | | 576) Tue, Oct 17, 2006 - 11:19:37 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I almost forgot that there was a dial page | until I started serious testing...I never use it... | it never came up except by some accident since I've | had telnet.apm inserted instead forever. | | ============================================================================ | | 577) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 11:10:05 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, Strange thing happened using 1.90J1-387... | my status bar disappeared...I had to ALT-X and restart | to get it back....I don't remember this ever happening | before. | | | ============================================================================ | | 578) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 11:20:35 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, Desktop == F10 == Ray's Homepage =/= glennmcc's Homepage | | | | ============================================================================ | | 579) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 11:41:22 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, With Ray's setup Desktop is like a poor | little dog that some a**hole has dumped out of a | car multiple times to get rid of it. The poor dog | doesn't know any better and always finds its way | home. Or...like a ground hog who keeps | coming home to its burrow under some guy's porch | to find the burrow entrance filled in with rocks | and dirt. The poor groundhog thinks that there has | been an earthquake and filled in its front door | so he goes to work and clears the debris away. | The next day the same senario occurs but the | groundhog never catches on...he just figures | he's in an earthquake zone. Kind of like | Californians. BTW, have you seen the ad on TV | for some medicine with the groundhog/beaver? | and Abe Lincoln sitting at the table with | some guy? Reminded me of your buddy, before | his untimely demise. hehehe | | ============================================================================ | | 580) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 4:29:51 pm | | ray> | Wrong? But your post confirms that I am right -- the difference | in behavior isn't inside core, rather it's in the .bat. I have | had that 'if exist ppp.log ...' line commented out for ages, that's | why the std cores and mine behave the same way. TTTT I can't remember | why I commented it, since, like Eric, I prefer to return to the | last page. | | But, I want it to be consistent and user selectable without | editing the .bat so I'll add a keyword and send it to tripod for | Eric's approval .... or .... one could simply edit the line in the | .bat .... na, it should be keyworded. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 581) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 4:33:59 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | These vido problems, the one above, the cursor color stuff, the | fact that there's a video mode you can't use -- seems to me that all | of these are likely to be problems with your machine, not with | any core. It would sure be nice if you could test all these problems | on another machine, my guess is that it would all be fine. | | | ============================================================================ | | 582) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 4:34:09 pm | | glennmcc> | re:"Ray's Homepage =/= glennmcc's Homepage" | | Nope it does not........... my homepage is..... | | HomePage http://home.arachne.cz/ | | ============================================================================ | | 583) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 8:23:11 pm | | ray> | Na, that's not what I mean, I mean the keyword behaves the same | way. | | Hey Eric, I found this mousecolor thing. Seems that's only with | the 'VGA 640x480 256KB 16 color" setting, try one of the other | 640x480 modes and I'm sure you'll find it's ok. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 584) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 8:26:35 pm | | ray> | BTW, that mode doesn't work for me with any standard core, my machine | hangs, I can use it with my core, tho I have no idea how I fixed | that :-\ anyway, it's the most primitive mode, slow and ugly, and | shouldn't be needed except on ancient machines. | | | ============================================================================ | | 585) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 8:28:47 pm | | ray> | Oh, and Glenn, my HomePage defaults to home.arachne.cz same as | yours, so it should behave the same way exactly. | | | ============================================================================ | | 586) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 8:34:21 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Bet switching to a better video mode with the std core will help | those funny little bugs there too. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 587) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 8:38:30 pm | | ray> | Man, I love this, online or offline she restarts and takes me | right back to where I was. Glenn, you should consider doing this | too. it is so sweet and thanks Eric. It's nice online so why not | have the same thing offline? | | Now, if we can just figure out whats wrong with this err_disk | trouble Eric has, maybe Dr. Emerson will give my core a clean | bill of health :-) | | | ============================================================================ | | 588) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 9:05:35 pm | | glennmcc> | I guess I didn't make my opinion clear in post 574 ..... | | I _want_ it to go to my homepage everytime I start-up while online. | | I _want_ it to go to pppenhan.htm everytime I start while offline. | | I don't _want_ it to work any other way. | | I ain't gonna change it 'cause I _like_ it the way it is. | | :)))))))))))) | | ============================================================================ | | 589) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 9:09:43 pm | | Eric> | Right now Detroit PBS is airing a very interesting | program on Internet Neutrality. | | A very good and important discussion of control | of the "airwaves" and the internet. | | | ============================================================================ | | 590) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 9:10:45 pm | | ray> | So what should I call it? I have 'ReloadPrevious' right now. | StartPrevious? | LoadLastPage? | StartWlastPage? | | | ============================================================================ | | 591) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 9:13:16 pm | | Eric> | Congress could screw us in the next few months if | we aren't careful. | | ============================================================================ | | 592) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 9:13:17 pm | | ray> | Yeah, but it's a *option*. Like you were just saying on AD, | to each his own and vive le differance! I can see situations where | I'll want it and others where I'll be turning it off. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 593) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 9:49:28 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Your core will not let me use any other | resolution...when I press + or - all I get is a | beep. + and - work with J1...maybe it's a cfg | setting...I'll check sometime. | | ============================================================================ | | 594) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 9:49:46 pm | | glennmcc> | Yep..... options... options... and more options.... the 3 most important | reasons why we keep using and improving Arachne. :)))) | | ============================================================================ | | 595) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 9:51:34 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | What is your setting for MaxRes ? | | mine is......... | | MaxRes 3 | | 1 == 640x480 | 2 == 800x600 | 3 == 1024x768 | | | ============================================================================ | | 596) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 10:04:41 pm | | ray> | Eric, you can't change res when you're using the | basic VGA choices on the left part of the screen, you've gotta | load 'vga.htm' and manualy choose a mode from the right half | of the screen, once you have, then you can +/- to another | resolution. There is a reson for that. Long time ago I tried | to alow the +/- keys to jump from the 16 color mode up to the | 256 color and hi color modes but it can't be done easily since the | basic video settup is different. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 597) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 10:05:54 pm | | ray> | BTW Eric, I caught the end of that story on PBS but missed most of | the part obout the internet. Thanks for that tho. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 598) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 10:41:36 pm | | Eric> | Ray, If I load VGA.HTM and set 800x600 resolution then | cursor colors return...but...they don't work right with | TAB key...arrow doesn't change to red unless I move it | with the arrow keys. | | | ============================================================================ | | 599) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 10:48:01 pm | | Eric> | Ray, That program will probably be re-run...it's | in PBS's interest to re-run it. Might also be | something on their webpage about it. IMHO, it | was a very good program. | | ============================================================================ | | 600) Wed, Oct 18, 2006 - 10:50:11 pm | | Eric> | If we don't watch out AT&T will be running everything | again. | | ============================================================================ | | 601) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 11:09:32 am | | Eric> | Ray, When I tried to TRASH an e-mail with your core | I got a file creation error....J1 worked just fine | when switched to it. | | | ============================================================================ | | 602) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 11:40:09 am | | Eric> | Ray, Your core is writing IDX to my cache which never | happens with glennmcc's distros. | | ============================================================================ | | 603) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 4:00:49 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Yup, found and fixed mouse color error -- another careless editing | mistake, I need a rest. | | The .idx will be (should be ;-) written to where ever the keyword | points: | | ;System Paths and Filenames (all with defaults): | | CachePath X:\AR\ | DownloadPath W:\DOWNLOAD\ | MailPath U:\MAIL\ | CacheIndex cache.idx <<< set this as needed. | History history.lst | CookieFile cookies.lst | Hotlist hotlist.htm | Toolbar rtoolbar.cfg | Mime rmime.cfg | | Anyway, if my core and J1 are *not* sharing the same .idx, that | could explain some of these strange results when you swap cores. | If they are sharing the same cache but not the same .idx, then | things will be fouled up for sure. | | | ============================================================================ | | 604) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 4:54:49 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | When you use vga.htm to do your video setup...... | which of these choices are you using on the left side of the screen ? | | CGA 640x200 16 KB 2 shades | EGA 640x350 128 KB 16 colors | VESA compatible card or driver | VGA 640x480 256 KB 16 colors | VGA 640x480 256 KB grayscale | TRIDENT (or PROVGA_VC510S) | TSG3 (Tseng ET3000, MDB10) | OAK | REALTEK (RTVGA) | TSG4 (Tseng ET4000) | M1 (OCTEK, graphic chip MX86010) | TAMARA (Tamarack TDVGA-3588, | Cirrus, Paradise, AST-PLUS) | | | | ============================================================================ | | 605) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 5:48:06 pm | | ray> | I just changed the default video mode to VESA.C (800x600 256c), heck | who needs VGA 16? It's still available of course, but no longer the | default over here. | | | ============================================================================ | | 606) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 6:01:48 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I fixed the resoluton thing...Ray just had VGA 16 | 240X480 or whatever is low resol. so that neither the + nor - worked. | I usually use Vesa default and 600x800 256. | | ============================================================================ | | 607) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 6:05:00 pm | | Eric> | Ray, It was not the cache.idx in the cache. It appeared | to be the e-mail IDX's. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 608) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 6:14:43 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Here are the IDX's | | | Volume in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE | Directory of D:\ARACHNE\CACHE | | $IDX$CNM IDX 0 10-18-06 8:10p | $SRT$CNM IDX 0 10-18-06 8:10p | 2 file(s) 0 bytes | 0 dir(s) 2,805,760 bytes free | | | ============================================================================ | | 609) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 6:43:22 pm | | ray> | Hmmm the mail .idxes ... delete the bastard and see if it shows up | again, it should always be in the mail directory, if my core | recreates it anywhere else, that's a bug. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 610) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 7:08:42 pm | | glennmcc> | That's not a bug if you have 'Cache2Temp yes' and d:\arachne\cache is | the temp dir or arachnetemp dir | | | ============================================================================ | | 611) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 7:11:42 pm | | glennmcc> | Just now turned-on cache2temp and now look at where my mail indexes are... | | --a--- 36 10-19-06 9:09p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\donotpan.ic! | --a--- 65 10-19-06 9:09p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\$roura$.bat | --a--- 0 10-19-06 9:09p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\$idx$cnm.idx | --a--- 0 10-19-06 9:09p l:\temp\arachne.tmp\$srt$cnm.idx | total files 4 total bytes 101 disk free space 97,955,840 | | TEMP=l:\temp | | ============================================================================ | | 612) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 7:36:09 pm | | ray> | Hmmm, I guess you're right, but who in their left mind would | put their arachnetemp there? This cache2temp thing is a crock | of sh*t IMHO anyway. Seems to me a 'NocacheLocal' option would make | more sence or even two caches: CacheLocal and CacheHTML or sumpin' | like that. It would be a bit more self explanatory no? | | | ============================================================================ | | 613) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 7:38:06 pm | | ray> | BTW, my core is a bit different there, because in mine, setting | %arachnetemp% is mandatory -- no more ifs ands and buts about where | things are. I HATE that sort of chaos. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 614) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 7:47:28 pm | | Eric> | Ray, I did delete them....I had to recreate them so | I could show you. They come right back. | | ============================================================================ | | 615) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 8:43:54 pm | | ray> | Well, if I had Glenn's nose, I'd already know what the answer is, | but even as I am, I know we are close to solving something | significant. | | ============================================================================ | | 616) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 8:48:55 pm | | ray> | My .idx's are where they belong, the mail ones are in the mail | directory, so how in heck do yours end up there? Try playing | with the 'paths' section of your .cfg and see if you can | get those .idx's to move to somewhere else; any movement will | give a hint as to what's up. Meanwhile, I'll snoop around in the | code. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 617) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 8:50:07 pm | | ray> | Oh, always keep 'UseConfigDat N' in the .cfg when you are playing | around with the .cfg or the new values won't be used. | | | ============================================================================ | | 618) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 9:31:02 pm | | ray> | Near as I can figure, these idx's are made by insight.exe | now lemesee, that's gotta get it's info from mime ... | | | ============================================================================ | | 619) Thu, Oct 19, 2006 - 11:21:46 pm | | glennmcc> | Yes, the mail .IDX files are created by insight.exe | | _where_ it creates them is governed by the 'cache2temp' setting in arachne.c | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 620) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 1:58:09 am | | Eric> | I have Cache2Temp N at the top of rarachne.cfg per Ray's instructions. | I have Cache2Temp Yes in the body of rarachne.cfg | I have Cache2Temp Yes in the body of arachne.cfg | | | ============================================================================ | | 621) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 2:47:31 am | | Eric> | Ray's core seems to be adding things to rarachne.cfg. | Both files were originally identicle except for the files that Ray | told me to add at the top of rarachne.cfg | After looking at the below comparison I think this related to | Ray's names changing and my need to change data for my 2 e-mail | addresses. | I don't understand how Ray's core is adding to rarachne.cfg without | me asking it to add things... | | | Here is the file compare of arachne.cfg and rarachne.cfg: | | Comparing files ARACHNE.CFG and rarachne.cfg | ****** ARACHNE.CFG | Validate RVJA | [mail] | SMTPserver mail.juno.com | POP3server mail.juno.com | POP3username wildrice5 | POP3password ********** | ;SMTPserver mail.bluebottle.com | ;POP3server mail.bluebottle.com | ;POP3username sernemo@bluebottle.com | ;POP3password ********** | SendHELO Yes | ****** rarachne.cfg | UseConfigDat N | Cache2TEMP N | UseSafeOpen N | UseAuthSMTP N | CachePath .\CACHE\ | DownloadPath .\DOWNLOAD\ | MailPath .\MAIL\ | Validate RVJA | UseSafeOpen Yes | [mail] | SMTPserver mail.bluebottle.com | POP3server mail.bluebottle.com | POP3username sernemo@bluebottle.com | POP3password ********** | SendHELO Yes | ****** | | ****** ARACHNE.CFG | UseAuthSMTP Yes | AuthSMTPusername wildrice5 | ;AuthSMTPusername sernemo@bluebottle.com | AuthSMTPpassword ********** | ;AuthSMTPpassword ********** | SMTPport 26 | POP3log Yes | ****** rarachne.cfg | UseAuthSMTP Yes | AuthSMTPusername sernemo@bluebottle.com | AuthSMTPpassword ********** | POP3log Yes | ****** | | ****** ARACHNE.CFG | [mail] | SMTPserver mail.juno.com | POP3server mail.juno.com | POP3username wildrice5 | POP3password ********** | KeepOnServer Yes | eMail wildrice5@juno.com | PersonalName Eric S. Emerson | ****** rarachne.cfg | [mail] | SMTPserver mail.bluebottle.com | POP3server mail.bluebottle.com | POP3username sernemo@bluebottle.com | POP3password ********** | KeepOnServer Yes | eMail sernemo@bluebottle.com | PersonalName Eric S. Emerson | ****** | | ****** ARACHNE.CFG | lastdir | UseReplyto No | ****** rarachne.cfg | lastdir | VFAT No | UseKeyMap No | MinDiskSpace 128 | UseReplyto No | ****** | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 622) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 3:01:27 am | | Eric> | The differences in arachne.cfg and rarachne.cfg I think | are related to me having different e-mail addresses activated | when I switch back and forth from J1 to Ray's to J1 to Ray's. | | | ============================================================================ | | 623) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 12:45:40 pm | | glennmcc> | What is 'Validate RVJA' ? | | ============================================================================ | | 624) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 1:02:00 pm | | glennmcc> | Oh... one small point. | | IIRC, you never were able to get SMTP upload to work with JUNO. | | If that's the case... this can be removed fraom all of your .CFG files | | SMTPserver mail.juno.com | | In addition... there's no need to change .CFGs to do pop3 from various serve | | Here's how I grab email from 3 servers by simply hitting Shift+F10 | | ShiftF10 file://pop_all.asf | | --- pop_all.asf --- | pop3://glennmcc:*****/@mail.cisnet.com:110/ | pop3://glennmcc1959:*******@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com:110/ | pop3://glennmcc@bluebottle.com:*******@mail.bluebottle.com:110/ | file://inbox.dgi | ___________________ | | ============================================================================ | | 625) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 1:03:33 pm | | glennmcc> | "*****" in each case, is of-course the password for that particular server. | | | ============================================================================ | | 626) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 2:17:02 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | There's no way that my core is writing stuff to the top of the .cfg. | It can update an existing value, or if that is missing, add it to | the bottom, same as the std core, but it won't add new lines at the | top, least wise, if it did that would be some incredible bug -- gotta | be another reason. | | Glenn, | | Validate RVJA is an effort at making sure that keywords.cfg is | the propper one for that core. This is needed since if the wrong | keywords.cfg is used all hell breaks loose. As you may know, | I parse all my keywords up front, and store them in the 'UI' | structure and this is done with a sort of code zipper that | blindly mates keywords with structure members asembly line style, | it's very fast and very compact but absolutely melts down if | the order or number of keywords isn't in synch with UI. 'RVJA' | has to match up with 'RVJA' prestored in the last memeber of the | stucture. If it does, all is well, if not it quits with a message | that the files are wrong. Seems to do the job, stole the idea | from WAT-32. | | | ============================================================================ | | 627) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 2:20:01 pm | | glennmcc> | OK... but why does it require that line in arachne.cfg ? | | ============================================================================ | | 628) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 2:38:08 pm | | ray> | ... to make sure that it's the right .cfg | 'RVJA' my initials is just a stand in. The robust answer is to | use the version number since it'll change with each version but | so far this is just an experiment, if it survives I will use | version numbers. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 629) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 3:16:57 pm | | glennmcc> | Couldn't you just use the VER variable in core.exe to check the VER # | of keywords.cfg thereby eliminating the need for that line in arachne.cfg | which would also need to be modified with each version ? | | ============================================================================ | | 630) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 3:21:09 pm | | glennmcc> | Or better yet.... | | core.exe v00 could use keywrd00.cfg | core.exe v01 could use keywrd01.cfg | core.exe v02 could use keywrd02.cfg | core.exe v03 could use keywrd03.cfg | | There's 100 compiles with 100 corresponding keywrdnn.cfg files | that could be used before the numbering system 'recycles' to 00 again. | | ============================================================================ | | 631) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 3:22:40 pm | | glennmcc> | And if you use 'keywd000.cfg' format ........... 1000 new compiles | before it recycles to 000 again. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 632) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 4:28:51 pm | | Eric> | just a test | | ============================================================================ | | 633) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 4:47:09 pm | | glennmcc> | You're a testing addict... ain't ya' ? | | Now what are you testing ? | | ============================================================================ | | 634) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 4:50:26 pm | | ray> | Glenn, | | I tried using seperate incremental names for the keywords file but | the trouble is that the name of the file must be hard coded into | the .exe and I was always forgetting to update it <;-) besides, | the 'validation' method has other value since it assures that the | file is sound regardless of name by a boots on the ground | test. Besides, for any end user it's hardly an issue either way, | and I use other methods to restore the correct copy here when I'm | rumaging around with older builds. | | However, I'm always interested in suggestions on this, the whole | thing is a bit less than robust, to say the least. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 635) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 4:52:11 pm | | ray> | Oh ya, the other thing is that keywords.cfg only changes when the | keywords themselves change, so it can remain the same over dozens | of builds. Mind, I'm thinking of stashing some little used messages | in there too. | | | ============================================================================ | | 636) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 5:14:04 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, I was testing if you were awake... | My friend from Boston, MA area is in town and I was just | demonstrating how the board works. BTW, what did you | think of Rocket Man MPG. | | ============================================================================ | | 637) Fri, Oct 20, 2006 - 5:32:07 pm | | glennmcc> | First-off... | since I never sleep, it's quite unnecessary to test if I'm awake. | | As to the MPG, yep... loved it, laughed my butt off. :))) | | | ============================================================================ | | 638) Sat, Oct 21, 2006 - 10:59:27 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, Maybe I should have said I was testing | if you were alert rather than awake. You know... | as the little kid asked his dad..."Dada, what's a Lert?" | You know Lerts never sleep either !! | | Lerts have a genetic narcolepsy disorder. | | ============================================================================ | | 639) Sat, Oct 21, 2006 - 12:30:10 pm | | ray> | Short trip :( | Eric, build8r1.zip @ tripod, set "ReloadPrevious Y" in the .cfg | and she will return to the last loaded page on restart -- online | or offline. | | No ideas for a better keyword? | How about 'ReloadOnStart' ? | | | ============================================================================ | | 640) Sat, Oct 21, 2006 - 3:48:05 pm | | tripod index updater> | Update done :) | | | ============================================================================ | | 641) Sat, Oct 21, 2006 - 3:49:15 pm | | glennmcc> | Eric, | | Lerts & me got something in common. ;-) | | ============================================================================ | | 642) Sat, Oct 21, 2006 - 4:06:46 pm | | glennmcc> | But.... | | It's not a disorder... it's a feature. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 643) Sat, Oct 21, 2006 - 5:31:01 pm | | ray> | Siriusly, how many hours sleep do you need? Seems there is this | small group of people who need very little sleep, one English | man has been found who doesn't own a bed, tho even he needs to | take a daily nap of a few minutes on his recliner. Most folks in | this group need 2 or 3 hours sleep, it seems. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 644) Sat, Oct 21, 2006 - 6:11:34 pm | | glennmcc> | To be serious for just moment.... | | Very seldom do I sleep for more than 5hrs. | (sometimes only 2 or 3) | | The average is about 4hrs a night. | | ============================================================================ | | 645) Sat, Oct 21, 2006 - 6:14:58 pm | | ray> | I'm a sorry assed addict, need about 8 - 10 hours AND an afternoon | nap :-( | | | ============================================================================ | | 646) Sat, Oct 21, 2006 - 7:23:16 pm | | glennmcc> | Sheeeesh, Ray .... | | You're sleeping most of your life away. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 647) Sat, Oct 21, 2006 - 7:31:16 pm | | ray> | I know it. But it's genetic, my Dad is a Sleep addict, and some of | my siblings. | | | ============================================================================ | | 648) Sun, Oct 22, 2006 - 8:12:17 pm | | ray> | Hey Eric, didya try the latest? This automatic reload is great. | | | ============================================================================ | | 649) Mon, Oct 23, 2006 - 12:08:19 am | | Eric> | Ray, I don't see any mention of adding the codeword to | rarachne.cfg in your readme.txt of build8l.zip which is | the only complete setup zip you have on Tripod. You should | at least give instructions with your new cores so one can | do a setup without searching for bits and pieces. | | | ============================================================================ | | 650) Mon, Oct 23, 2006 - 12:44:03 am | | Eric> | Ray, I get an error concerning toolbar.cfg now. | I had to shut down my computer and now I can't seem | to get an error free start of your setup and I'm | tired of searching for bits and pieces to switch. | | ============================================================================ | | 651) Mon, Oct 23, 2006 - 7:12:17 am | | ray> | Mornin Eric, | | I won't update the docs until this base is done, so it's | bits and pieces for now. Why would I go to the trouble of editing | a document when this stuff is still up in the air and could change | several more times? As to toolbar the previous one should | work fine, it hasn't been changed. If there's still trouble, | delete config.dat and arachne.dat and thus do a setup. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 652) Mon, Oct 23, 2006 - 9:24:44 am | | Eric> | Ray, When you don't provide a setup program the | least you could do is make sure all the necessary | changes are included with each core change. Is it | my job to keep track of all your changes? | | ============================================================================ | | 653) Mon, Oct 23, 2006 - 4:10:28 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | When base 8 is done I will provide a setup, but we've gotta get | there first. Besides the new core, the only file that changed | was keywords.cfg, so I sent that and that's all that should be | needed. As I said, if there's a message about some bad file, | probably deleting the .dat files should be all that's needed, | maybe an F8 too. | | ============================================================================ | | 654) Tue, Oct 24, 2006 - 3:34:26 am | | Eric> | Ray, You don't seem to understand...when running on a | RAMdrive and the machine gets turned off then all is lost | and has to be setup again when I turn the computer back | on....one tries to save changes but when long periods of | time go by without turning off the computer...maybe weeks | or a month all those little changes get lost. You are working | with it all the time and have these things swimmimng around | in your gray matter so that you could have a list of changes | supplied with each new core required to make it work starting | from a base setup of whatever glennmcc distro you are using | as a base at the time. I'm sure you must be documenting | these things as you go along. It isn't fair to expect any | "tester" to go back and find and pull out changes from | several core changes back when you could much more easily | supply them with the newly posted core. If there are no | required changes then at least a file of required changes | should be kept current at Ray's Stuff. I can't test your | core right now because you have not done this. I have now | screwed up my whole setup so that nothing is working right | trying to get your core working. I can in a few minutes | have j1 working again but without such a list of required | changes I can't get your core tested. Sorry... | | | ============================================================================ | | 655) Tue, Oct 24, 2006 - 7:16:55 am | | ray> | Eric, | | You are right, there is something I don't understand. The method | I'm expecting you to use right now is simple accumulation. For the | duration of this cycle of tests what I'm expecting is that you keep | a floppy with my stuff on it, and every time I send some new file(s) | you just copy that onto the floppy, overwritting whatever was there. | I know you can't keep all this stuff as seperate working copies, | and I'm not expecting you too. It sounds like you are attempting to | do something far harder than necessary. No need to 'keep track' of | anything, just work off one floppy for now. I hope you don't quit | before checking out 'ReloadPrevious Y' -- I'm sure you'll like it. | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 656) Tue, Oct 24, 2006 - 8:37:35 am | | Eric> | Ray, Even if I've got all your ZIPs one has to | figure out what to change...why is that so hard | to understand ? you make changes to the CFG, | you change file names, just tell me what I have | to add/change in one simple text file to make | j1 into a setup that will work with your latest | core. If you can't tell me, how in h*ll am I | supposed to figure it out. If you don't know | what changes have to be made then no one does! | | ============================================================================ | | 657) Tue, Oct 24, 2006 - 8:42:47 am | | Eric> | Darn it Ray, Files have to be edited and created to | make your core work...it does have to be kept track of... | it doesn't happen by itself...copying your new files on top | of your old files doesn't work...in fact it will probably | erase the changes that have to be made. | | | ============================================================================ | | 658) Tue, Oct 24, 2006 - 8:57:30 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, Re: changing e-mail boxes...I press Shft-F4 | and press an appropriate key and the requested e-mail | box data inserted into arachne.cfg instantaneously... | I sometimes don't want to mix e-mails from all the | e-mail boxs together...I wish to keep them separated... | your system mixes them all together. | | ============================================================================ | | 659) Tue, Oct 24, 2006 - 4:03:29 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Ok, here's where I just don't understand where you are coming from. | What you say about getting my core running is all true, but | you have already done all of it so I hardly need to tell you | all over again. As of the last .zip only two things had changed so | what you'd do is unzip, copy the files produced onto the floppy | (overwriting the old ones of course) then manualy add one line to | the .cfg: | | ReloadPrevious Y | | ... and that is it. You say overcopying won't work. Why in heck won't | it work? I know you can't overwrite your .cfg, but that's why I | said to edit it manualy. Overwritting keywords.cfg and rcore.exe | is exactly what you should do. If you want a text file here it is: | | Download latest .zip. | Unzip it. | Copy resulting files to whereever you store my stuff. | Note any additional changes mentioned by me, (eg: 'Edit rarachne.cfg and | add this line "ReloadPrevious Y" '.) | Run it as usual using your existing procedures for core swapping. | | Not too complecated, is it? | | | ============================================================================ | | 660) Tue, Oct 24, 2006 - 4:08:44 pm | | ray> | One way or another, I hope we can sort this out, your testing has | been invaluable. Ironicaly, it is precisely the fact that we think | so differently that has made it so; since you use Arachne | in a way so different from me, you catch bugs I'd never see | otherwise. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 661) Tue, Oct 24, 2006 - 7:56:48 pm | URL | | glennmcc> | Just now created and uploaded a new APM | | http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/apm/tiff2gif.apm | | ============================================================================ | | 662) Tue, Oct 24, 2006 - 8:18:05 pm | | ray> | Too many goddam image formats already :( This at least can be | mimed so the conversion is automatic. | | | ============================================================================ | | 663) Tue, Oct 24, 2006 - 10:50:54 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Re: #659 - I don't have any current setup of | yours. I had company...I was in a hurry...I shut off | my computer...what I had is gone. I thought I could easily | reconstruct your setup but when I looked for info on current | changes I could not find sufficient info to get your core | working and in the process J1 stopped working properly. I'm | tired of looking for bits and pieces of info scattered in many | files to setup your core. | | | ============================================================================ | | 664) Tue, Oct 24, 2006 - 11:12:44 pm | | Eric> | Ray, The info you provide in #659 is not sufficient | for me to setup Arachne with your core. You say "download | the latest zip"...the latest zip is only a core....just | inserting your core will not convert J1 setup to work | with your core....what files do I need to create and | what other steps are needed to make your core work... | I don't remember and I'm tired of searching. I repeat... | where are the conversion directions...you made the | changes...NOW, before you make any more...write a | set of directions for inserting your core into | J1 and then keep that set of directions current | as you make changes...it's your responsibility. | That set of directions should be packaged with | every new core you post for testing. Everything | a tester has to do to his working setup of J1 or | whatever base you are using at the time, to get | your core to work, should be in that set of | directions. The tester should not have to | figure it out for himself. | | ============================================================================ | | 665) Wed, Oct 25, 2006 - 7:12:07 am | | ray> | Eric, | | Ahhhhh, now I get it. So you got trashed and have no backups of | my stuff and don't want to reconstruct it from bits eh? | Well, sheesh, that's easy to understand ;-) | All you had to do was put it in a way that my autistic brain | could relate to. Willco this aft. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 666) Wed, Oct 25, 2006 - 6:42:46 pm | | ray> | Hey, Eric, just thinking, as the last word in core swapping | luxury, how's about you send me your arachne.cfg (less passwords) | and I'll adapt it to rarachne.cfg myself? I'll cut out the | unneeded stuff and make sure that all the essentials are right. | That, plus the little instalator I'm now making, should | give you a rather simple rcore instalation. I figure I owe you | something that's easy (for once ;-) | | | | | ============================================================================ | | 667) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 5:10:45 am | | Eric> | Ray, I'll be glad to send you my arachne.cfg ... but... | but... but ... I'm not sure I want you changing anything | in it except what is absolutely necessary to make your | core work... I'm very emotionally attached to my arachne.cfg!! | I like the way Arachne performs with my current arachne.cfg. | | ============================================================================ | | 668) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 5:18:43 am | | Eric> | Ray, It really isn't the arachne.cfg that is the | problem....it's all the other changes...name changes... | new files...where do new files go...etc. that cause | the problems. I'll be happy to try your installator, | ...but....all I really asked for if you will check | previous posts is a simple text list of steps/changes | and the required files to be posted with your new | cores. | | ============================================================================ | | 669) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 7:05:27 am | | ray> | Eric, | | No worries, I'll only make essential mods -- and of course you | have the final cut anyway. The instalator will be a very simple | .bat that you can ignore if you want and yes, there will be a | .txt. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 670) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 7:26:43 am | | Eric> | Ray, If you make cfg changes just ";" the existing | lines and comment/mark them. The cfg should be in | your email box. | | ============================================================================ | | 671) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 12:39:12 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Use the 2nd arachne.cfg I just sent you. | | ============================================================================ | | 672) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 3:29:53 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Thanks, got em. I have a little bug I'm working on right now, then | I'll get to it (yes it's related to the 'no math' thing). | | | | ============================================================================ | | 673) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 9:01:15 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Just sent it, sheesh, that was more work than I thought, but it | makes sence for me to check over the .cfg of anyone who wants to | try my core. I'll send a new core tomorrow. | | | ============================================================================ | | 674) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 9:05:00 pm | | Eric> | glennmcc, When you were using your cores the dialing | responses and when one got home page had become pretty | consistant. Since you have been using Joe's cores they | have become inconsistant again. If one pressed ALT-D | with your cores and the modem was already connected | then Arachne did not dial, but if it was off line it | would connect without dialing. Now ALT-D causes a redial | even if the modem and Arachne are online. | | ============================================================================ | | 675) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 9:07:20 pm | | Eric> | Ray, You knew it would be work....that's why | you have to be whipped into maintaining a set | of directions for your core. | | | ============================================================================ | | 676) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 9:21:56 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Did you read post #668 ? | What did you do to my arachne.cfg ? | It is all disconbobbled....everything is | all switched around....you wrote a new | arachne.cfg file. There are no directions | for other necessary changes. | | ============================================================================ | | 677) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 9:29:06 pm | | Eric> | Ray, A file compare [fc] of my arachne.cfg and | the one you sent me is useless because you didn't | edit my cfg by commenting out my lines and adding | yours but....instead you just wrote a new arachne.cfg | using a completely different order, etc.. | | ============================================================================ | | 678) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 9:38:09 pm | | Eric> | Ray, My arachne.cfg sets MY_IP in environment | just fine the way it is. I tried your connect.bat | and commented on it in previous posts. I could not | get it to work for me....I had to use my own connect.bat. | | | ============================================================================ | | 679) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 10:12:15 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | Had to rearange it because I wouldn't be able to do a comparison | with mine otherwise. Don't worry, once you get it fired up, | save the resulting config.log, then rerun your original, do a | fc (or better, a vc) vs. the 2nd config.log, and that will | show you the lines you need to change in the original without | needing to move anything. BTW, the lines I deleted are not used | by my core anyway so what's the use in having them? As to my_ip | how is that set unless you run ip-ip.bat? Never mind, if you have | another .bat that works just use that with Connect: | | Connect @call Eric-con.bat ... or whatever it's called. | If it works externaly it will work internaly. I always said that | my connect.bat probably wouldn't work for you since I use BOOTP | and you don't. | | | | ============================================================================ | | 680) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 10:53:35 pm | | Eric> | Ray, You said the advantage of changing file names was | that then all the file names and keywords could be there and not | conflict. My arachne.cfg is the way the setup program | creates it and I wish to keep that format and add your | necessary lines to it. | | Did you read posts 668 & 676 ? | | ============================================================================ | | 681) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 10:58:20 pm | | Eric> | Ray, Without more info....I still can't test | your core...as I said previously...the arachne.cfg/ | rarachne.cfg was not my problem....I need the rest | of the directions !! | | | ============================================================================ | | 682) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 11:14:44 pm | | glennmcc> | These are the files you'll need in your Arachne_main dir..... | | KEYWORDS.CFG | RARACHNE.BAT | RARACHNE.CFG | RTOOLBAR.CFG | | | | ============================================================================ | | 683) Thu, Oct 26, 2006 - 11:15:16 pm | | glennmcc> | That-is, unless he's changed it once again. | | ============================================================================ | | 684) Fri, Oct 27, 2006 - 2:09:11 am | | Eric> | glennmcc, Re: #683....Boy, you got that right ! | | | ============================================================================ | | 685) Fri, Oct 27, 2006 - 7:19:04 am | | ray> | Eric, | | You still can't test it because I still haven't sent it! | As to the orgainization please reread 679, you can keep your | dead keywords if you want however, just one time, you'll need to run the | reorganized .cfg just to produce a .log. Save that .log then | run your old .cfg, compare the two .logs, modify original .cfg, | run again, compare .logs, make sure log #1 and final .log are | the same, *then* we know your .cfg is good regardless of how it | looks. Personaly I don't know why you like to keep dead keywords, | but that's entirely up to you. | | | ============================================================================ | | 686) Fri, Oct 27, 2006 - 8:09:09 am | | Eric> | Ray, There aren't that many differences between | your rarachne.cfg and glennmcc's distro arachne.cfg. | And you made the changes so you know what they are. | You could have just commented out the existing lines, | which even that isn't usually necessary, and added | necessary changes at the top of my arachne.cfg... | then I wouldn't have to go thru the whole process | again to find the differences. | | ============================================================================ | | 687) Fri, Oct 27, 2006 - 8:14:29 am | | Eric> | Ray, You made it a hard job for both of us. | I prefer all the changes at the top...the first | line read is the one used....That makes it much | easier to see the differences. | | | ============================================================================ | | 688) Fri, Oct 27, 2006 - 8:18:53 am | | Eric> | Ray, you may be sending a new core but the last | core you posted didn't | get tested because I couldn't get your setup working. | | | ============================================================================ | | 689) Fri, Oct 27, 2006 - 2:48:39 pm | | ray> | Eric, | | suprt8s.zip and rcoree8s.zip at tripod. Former is all support files, | latter is the .exe. The readme has all needed file movement | instructions but as I understand you, you don't want an installator | so I didn't include it. As to the .cfg I wish you'd try it my way. | Sometimes you complain that I don't give clear instructions, but when | I do, you don't like 'em. Please try the .cfg that I sent, even if | it's just once, then if you prefer you can use your old one. However, | whether you understand it or not, I can only be sure of what will | happen if the .cfg is in an order that lets me compare it with mine. | Given that my core now wants a .cfg of a different name, it seems | stange to me that the rarachne.cfg should carry around a dozen | dead keywords, but like I said, to each his own. | | | ============================================================================ | | 690) Fri, Oct 27, 2006 - 4:11:04 pm | | glennmcc> | "..... As to the .cfg I wish you'd try it my way......" | | Eric, | | Remember..... it's Ray's core, so it's Ray's way or the highway. | | This ain't Burger King where you can get it your way. | | You take it _his_ way or don't get the sum'bitch at-all. | | | | | ============================================================================